IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-08-08

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00:32 <efc> moo

01:07 <quail> meep

01:40 <Soul_keeper> finally won a UT game after someone talked smack

01:41 <Soul_keeper> been weeks/months since i've gotten that satisfaction

01:41 <Soul_keeper> all these kids are on so much dope and speed  i can't twitch as fast

01:42 * CoderForLife opens one eye

01:42 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

01:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 67.9°F / 19.9°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.3mph / 3.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 70s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming (1 more message)

01:42 <CoderForLife> &more

01:42 <Romulus> CoderForLife: northeast after midnight.;

01:43 <Soul_keeper> basically the only goal in most people's life is to destroy other people in any way possible so they feel/look better in some way

01:43 <CoderForLife> north by northwest, Rommie

01:44 <CoderForLife> ah, you've discovered my strategy at w@#% Soul_keeper

01:44 <Soul_keeper> heh

01:44 <Soul_keeper> you get destroyed or do the destroying ?

01:44 <Soul_keeper> or is it a give a little get a little situation ?

01:44 <CoderForLife> Choice C

01:45 <Soul_keeper> figures

01:45 <Soul_keeper> if i had enough money i'd just speak my mind to people ...

01:45 <CoderForLife> there's a faux sense of teamwork and cooperation

01:46 <CoderForLife> in reality, it's a game of one-upmanship and a search for the soft underbelly at which to strike

01:46 <Soul_keeper> the only reason i'm invaluable to my company is because i outwork everyone on any jobsite

01:46 <Soul_keeper> regardless of what they say/do

01:47 <Soul_keeper> i can't be replaced

01:48 <CoderForLife> careful

01:49 <Soul_keeper> why ?

01:49 <CoderForLife> no one is irreplaceable

01:49 <Soul_keeper> well i havn't seen a worthy replacement yet

01:49 <Soul_keeper> if someone comes along that really wants it that bad they can have it

01:50 <CoderForLife> that could be true

01:50 <Soul_keeper> doubtfull

01:50 <Soul_keeper> americans generally avoid work of any kind

01:50 <Soul_keeper> the competition is weak

01:50 * CoderForLife thinks about taking the day off

01:51 * CoderForLife reasons: 5 w@#% days in a row is a lot to ask of anyone

01:52 <Soul_keeper> well the thing is, most the old people that own their stuff (as do i)  i outperform because of my youth,  and the younger people are just stupid and lazy/depressed

01:52 <Soul_keeper> know*

01:52 <Soul_keeper> so maybe i'll get old ... or get hurt

01:52 <CoderForLife> you're in the sweet spot

01:53 <Soul_keeper> i need a vacation soon tho

01:53 <CoderForLife> it'll pass - this Tigger doesn't bounce as high as he used to

01:54 <Soul_keeper> i'll probably have to buy a college degree at some point

01:55 <CoderForLife> bid it out - lowest cost wins

01:55 <Soul_keeper> :)

01:55 <Soul_keeper> i hate my job, it just pays the bills

01:56 <CoderForLife> that's why w@#% is a four letter word

02:01 <quail> meep meep

02:01 * Tank_Master sends hordes of lemmings over quail

02:02 <quail> hehe

02:02 <quail> afternoon all

02:02 <Tank_Master> ?

02:02 * Tank_Master looks outside..

02:02 <Tank_Master> tiz damn dark out for being afternoon

02:02 * CoderForLife looks outside

02:03 <Tank_Master> St Hellens go off again?

02:03 <CoderForLife> I am supposed to be asleep

02:03 <Tank_Master> same here

02:03 <CoderForLife> I think I'll go "make it so"

02:03 <Soul_keeper> so the olympics start tomarrow

02:03 * CoderForLife yawns

02:04 <Soul_keeper> you all excited ?

02:04 <Tank_Master> yes they do

02:04 <CoderForLife> I care *zero* about the games

02:04 <Tank_Master> sure am

02:04 <CoderForLife> wait - make that a large negative number

02:04 <Tank_Master> caing wait to see those chiks bouncing down the runway

02:04 <Tank_Master> cant*

02:05 <CoderForLife> cya folks - back to be

02:05 <CoderForLife> d

02:05 <Tank_Master> gn

02:06 <Soul_keeper> can't watch everything in the olympics, but i wouldn't mind watching the running and maybe weight lifting

02:07 <Tank_Master> ill brb

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02:08 <Soul_keeper> lol  if you take a bottle of water to the beijing olympics security will make you drink half of it to make sure it's not harmfull to others

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02:16 <Soul_keeper> wow good thing i cashed my check at the other bank

02:16 <Soul_keeper> they just had a takeover style gun robbery by 4 guys

02:17 <Tank_Master> lol

02:17 <Soul_keeper> the bank has only been open less than 2 months and already had two robberies

02:17 <Tank_Master> ouch

02:18 <Tank_Master> cant be good for buisness

02:19 <Soul_keeper> i'd probably flip out and end up getting shot if i was there

02:19 <Tank_Master> lol

02:19 <Soul_keeper> if one tryed to rob me atleast, i got little to live for  i'd take a gun from one of them or something

02:20 <Tank_Master> those greedy basterds not only took my monry, but they took my life!

02:20 <Soul_keeper> that bank is weird tho, the tellers are overly friendly

02:20 <Tank_Master> "would you like for pussy with that?

02:20 <Soul_keeper> they got a gay guy and a mentally challenged woman working there as the greeters

02:20 <Tank_Master> huh

02:21 <Tank_Master> odd

02:21 <Soul_keeper> all the tellers are young mexican kids

02:21 <Soul_keeper> like 18-22

02:21 <Tank_Master> probably their possies that are robbing the place

02:21 <efc> remoo

02:21 <Soul_keeper> maybe

02:22 * Tank_Master checks the lock and wonders how it got unlocked

02:23 <efc> brb, think i'll see if my paycheck hit

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02:33 <efc> yep, it hit

02:36 <Tank_Master> sweet

02:38 <zombie67> payment is the prize

02:40 <efc> More $$ that aren't worth anything

02:51 <Soul_keeper> they'll take them

02:51 <efc> They just take more of them

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03:54 <quail> for people that are interested this is what my desktop computers desktop looks like >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13113156@N02/2743772272/

03:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5gs45c> (at www.flickr.com)

04:06 <efc> Like, looks like an injection of heavy elements has poisoned that sun

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04:30 <CoderForLife> re-hi

04:38 <CoderForLife> brb  going to find something for breakfast

04:39 <quail> CoderForLife: meep meep

04:40 <CoderForLife> peem peem

04:40 <CoderForLife> brb

04:47 <CoderForLife> b

04:47 <quail> wb

04:47 <CoderForLife> t

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04:57 <quail> how are things in CoderForLife's world?

04:58 <CoderForLife> interesting, as in "may you live in interesting times"

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05:00 <quail> CoderForLife: yeah it been interesting for me aswell as I have been debugging suspend to ram and hibernate load problems when coming out of them

05:00 <CoderForLife> I FAXed what should be the final version of the contract to build the wall

05:01 <CoderForLife> waiting for contractor signature, then I'll sign

05:01 <quail> not got far but have learnt abit about pm-utils and uswsusp

05:01 <CoderForLife> on the Coding front, looks like my MD5 stuff is working

05:02 <CoderForLife> need to add a GUID generator

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05:02 <quail> double shweet

05:04 <CoderForLife> looks like I may have separate routines for Windows and Linux

05:14 * CoderForLife puzzles over how to implement GUID generation properly

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05:58 * KathrynM collaspes after a loooooooong w#*@ week

06:09 <CoderForLife> welcome to your collapse - we hope you enjoy the rest of you collapse - please keep you seats and tray tables in their upright and locked positions

06:10 <CoderForLife> thank you for flying your collapse

06:11 * CoderForLife drags his silly brain toward the door

06:11 <CoderForLife> off to my Friday

06:11 <KathrynM> it'll be over soon enough

06:12 <CoderForLife> but not soon enough

06:12 <CoderForLife> tc

06:12 <KathrynM> u2

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06:24 <hawmps> 'lo

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06:29 <hawmps> so... will the earth be destroyed today, or tomorrow?

06:31 <hawmps> http://www.bbspot.com/News/2008/08/group-protests-treatment-of-hardrons-at-cern.html

06:31 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/63o8gd> (at www.bbspot.com)

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06:45 <hawmps> funnier yet - some 'journalist' with a writing disorder called it "The Large Hardon Collider"

06:52 <CoderForLife> I have some w@#% to get done today - I hope they hold off with the devastation until tomorrow - besides it's supposed to be a nice day then

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10:08 <KathrynM> I swear, the next person who says "I have the latest version" is going to get shot...

10:09 <PovAdct_w> tell them the "last version" hasn't been released yet, since development didn't stop

10:10 <Didactylos> Did you see Rom wants to skip testing this new release?

10:10 <Didactylos> That'll end in tears.

10:11 <PovAdct_w> I've skipped the mess at boinc_alpha

10:11 <KathrynM> I'm reading and glad I'm over on the Linux side.

10:17 <PovAdct_w> argh

10:17 <PovAdct_w> my internet at home was down all night

10:17 <PovAdct_w> now I *think* it's back but probably with a different IP...

10:18 <PovAdct_w> I can't even check BOINC projects to get the right IP, I disabled BOINC network activities to avoid the frequent retries

10:19 <PovAdct_w> (and potentially killing WUs... client hanging while trying to access network, app dying with "no heartbeat from client")

10:19 <KathrynM> that's a pita

10:40 <desti> great olympia opening show

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11:46 * hawmps boycotts olympics

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12:11 <Didactylos> Ceremonies are kind of boring, but they lit that flame in style.

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14:13 <Tank_Master> anyone know a good fan speed control software for the ATI cards?

14:14 <Tank_Master> for windows

14:17 <CoderForLife> home early

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14:27 <CoderForLife> heh - I don't "do" Olympics

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15:05 <hawmps> lol >> Edwards Admits Sexual Affair; Lied as Presidential Candidate

15:05 <hawmps> (abc news)

15:12 <Didactylos> Must be trivial - the BBC didn't even bother carrying any such story.

15:13 <Didactylos> It reassures me that "too elite" is the worst Obama detractors can come up with.

15:13 <Didactylos> The US worried about having a president that's too intelligent?

15:14 <Didactylos> Well, it makes a change!

15:15 <Tank_Master> you dont want a smart president

15:15 <hawmps> obama is an empty suit.

15:15 <Tank_Master> they are harder to control by the liberals

15:16 <hawmps> NoBama/08

15:16 <Tank_Master> Barrach Husain Obama

15:16 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: how can you say that, after 7 years of puppet Bush?

15:16 <Tank_Master> no wonder why you never hear then state his middle name

15:16 <Didactylos> Doesn't the hypocrisy get to you?

15:16 <hawmps> justa whole lotta B.O. on that side...

15:16 <Tank_Master> bush isnt controled by the liberals

15:17 <Tank_Master> thats why there is so much bad press about what he does

15:17 <Didactylos> Bush is controlled by Haliburton and the rest of daddy's friends.

15:17 <Didactylos> Seriously - I have no respect for him. He can barely string a coherent sentence together.

15:17 <hawmps> Ducksauce is from GB - only has the bbc for a political education...

15:17 <Tank_Master> better them than the demicrats who have distroyed our educational system

15:18 <Tank_Master> bush is from the south, they lerned to speek differently

15:18 <Didactylos> hawmps: going straight for the ad hominem? Wow, you really are not good at debating!

15:18 <hawmps> pretty soon he'll be looking to pay his dhimmi taxes and get his health care in the US

15:19 <hawmps> just laying out the facts on the ground...

15:20 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: what's whong with Hussein?

15:20 <Didactylos> It's an incredibly common name.

15:20 <Tank_Master> still assiciated with the middel east

15:20 <Tank_Master> for better or worse

15:20 <Didactylos> And what's wrong with the middle east?

15:21 <Didactylos> You just want to paint him with a racial slur?

15:21 <Tank_Master> war, corruption, killin... duh

15:21 <Tank_Master> heh, no, he's done a rather good jopb of that himself

15:21 <Didactylos> What, by being black?

15:22 <Tank_Master> by pointing it out and making it an isssue

15:22 <Didactylos> America really is racist. I'm shocked, but not surprised.

15:22 <Tank_Master> only parts of america are

15:22 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: not true. The media raised the issue.

15:23 <Tank_Master> they media only restated what he said

15:23 <Tank_Master> but yes, they did make it a spotlight

15:23 <Didactylos> For laughing.

15:23 <Didactylos> The media (yes, Fox) made it a BIG issue.

15:23 <Didactylos> Anything to discredit him.

15:24 <Didactylos> What's their slogan? "Unfair and biased", or something?

15:24 <Tank_Master> most of the media loves him, they would want a demicrat in power any day

15:24 <Tank_Master> they all say that

15:25 <Didactylos> The media has a strong right wing bias. Hard to believe after all the misinformation you have been fed. But that's the case.

15:25 <Didactylos> And it's Democrat.

15:26 <Tank_Master> lol, sad to see you think the media is right winged

15:26 <Tank_Master> and its dummycrack

15:26 <Didactylos> No, just the US media.

15:26 <Tank_Master> if it was rightwinged, the war would be getting a much better coverage

15:26 <Didactylos> Thanks to Murdoch and pals.

15:27 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: it got good coverage for years.

15:27 <Tank_Master> people getting blowen up is good coverage?

15:27 <Didactylos> But by showing it fail, they get to spin out the coverage even longer.

15:27 <Tank_Master> what about the schools getting build, or the hospitals?

15:27 <Tank_Master> or that the common citizen wants us there to help rebild?

15:28 <Tank_Master> you dont hear any of that

15:28 <Tank_Master> its not failing

15:28 <Didactylos> See, you get these funny ideas, all thanks to your right wing media.

15:28 <Tank_Master> where r u from?

15:28 <Didactylos> The UK.

15:28 <Tank_Master> ahh, then I wonder if they are giving differnt info out there than to us

15:29 <Tank_Master> because they are compleatly left wing here

15:29 <Didactylos> We can get the same channels you do.

15:29 <Tank_Master> they dont like bush, they discredit him at every opertunity

15:30 <Tank_Master> but anything wrong a democrat does is either ignored or spun in a positive way

15:30 <Didactylos> But Jon Stewart sums all the crap up rather well - I'd hate to have to sift through ALL the bollocks that US media put on air.

15:30 <Tank_Master> yes, our media does out our a lot of crap

15:30 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: that's wishful thinking on your part.

15:30 <Tank_Master> wishfull?

15:30 <Tank_Master> whish part?

15:31 <Didactylos> The media are quite happy to bash Democrats. Didn't you notice?

15:31 <Tank_Master> not from what Ive seen, no

15:31 <Didactylos> You must watch very selectively, then.

15:31 <Tank_Master> fox does more so than the others

15:32 <Didactylos> Mind you, they're too intelligent to do it blatently.

15:32 <Didactylos> It is a lot more subtle than that.

15:32 <Tank_Master> but abc and the rest dont cover much in the way that can hurt the demicrats

15:32 <Tank_Master> true

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15:58 <CoderForLife> so Edwards has come clean on his dirt

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15:59 <CoderForLife> he'll just have to return to making an honest living as a class action trial lawyer

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16:00 <CoderForLife> about din-din time - bbiab

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16:12 <xcamel> re-hi

16:20 <CoderForLife> back

16:20 <CoderForLife> hi Jay

16:20 <Tank_Master> wb

16:20 <CoderForLife> thx

16:32 <CoderForLife> we got a new executive today http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/stories/2008/08/04/daily54.html

16:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6578hr> (at www.bizjournals.com)

16:32 <CoderForLife> this makes clear the line of succession to the top post, since the executive team is nearing retirement

16:33 <CoderForLife> I lost my favorite parking space

16:34 <CoderForLife> heh

16:52 <CoderForLife> for some reason, VC outranks VP

16:52 <CoderForLife> must be the alphabet

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17:15 <xcamel> lol

17:21 <Soul_keeper> bla

17:21 <CoderForLife> bla?

17:21 <CoderForLife> habla?

17:21 <Soul_keeper> sure

17:22 <CoderForLife> okey-dokey

17:26 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:26 <CoderForLife> hello Doug - wb

17:26 <wdsmia> TGIF

17:26 <CoderForLife> indeed

17:42 <xcamel> tgif indeed

17:52 <Soul_keeper> wtf is with all the obscure acronyms ?

17:53 <PovAddict> TGIF = Thank God It's Friday

17:53 <Soul_keeper> yeah i had to google it

17:53 <Soul_keeper> i've learned google teaches me faster than trying to pry a response out of someone on irc

17:53 <PovAddict> I had to google "OSLT" after seeing it dozens of times on a newsgroup

17:54 <PovAddict> Or Something Like That

17:54 <PovAddict> lots of sentences started making sense then :P

17:54 <Soul_keeper> it's like one of those verisyn commercials or something where they show the 13yr old girls going to town with all the acronyms on their phones

17:54 <xcamel> txn is phn

17:55 <wdsmia> lol

17:55 <xcamel> bt s2pid

17:55 <Soul_keeper> then granny pops up and she knows it all too ....

17:55 <PovAddict> with the dictionary-based writing systems on phones (so you press once for each letter and it figures out what letters you wanted), those acronyms become pointless

17:55 <PovAddict> *harder* to type than real words

17:56 <xcamel> wisdom from someone whose second language is engrish

17:56 <xcamel> :-/

17:56 <Soul_keeper> i can type atleast 50 wpm   never really timed it, acronyms are pointless,  just can't foresee typing fast enough to where they would matter

17:57 <PovAddict> there are silly phone acronyms in all languages, xcamel

17:57 <Soul_keeper> it becomes spam after a few lines anyways ...

17:57 <xcamel> once people start doing it (on phones) they can't stop

17:58 <Soul_keeper> here in california they outlawed talking on your phone while driving, but apparently you can still text

17:58 <Soul_keeper> if you ask me a one handed texter racing by me at 90mph on the freeway is a lot more scaring

17:58 <Soul_keeper> scary*

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17:59 <PovAddict> I once was talking to a friend of an English friend... "wats rong wid de way i rite?" my head exploded

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17:59 <PovAddict> talking = IM'ing...

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17:59 <Soul_keeper> nothing like getting rear ended or sideswiped by someone trying to type   LOL, TGIF, or OSLT  20 times in quick succession

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18:01 <Soul_keeper> well TGIF  is a good one, i'm glad it's friday atleast :)

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18:21 * Rookie_69 sticks his nose in tenatively...

18:22 * KathrynM sticks her nose in tentatively....

18:23 * Rookie_69 sits corrected and sticks his nose in tentatively...

18:23 <KathrynM> whoops...  didn't mean to correct spelling

18:23 <Rookie_69> Lol.

18:23 <KathrynM> I can barely speel myself

18:23 <PovAddict> you should have typed it wrong too

18:24 <KathrynM> morning

18:24 <Rookie_69> Hi, Kathryn, Pov.

18:25 <KathrynM> PovAddict, when I find your sanity, I'll send it back.  Would you please do the same for mine?

18:25 <PovAddict> sure

18:26 <KathrynM> I got the graphic libs to build (as far as I can tell)

18:26 <PovAddict> db_dump seems to create uncompressed stats files... (that's 2.something GB for SETI)

18:26 <PovAddict> then runs gzip on them

18:26 <PovAddict> considering how loaded SETI servers always are... I wonder how they never noticed this stupidity?

18:28 <PovAddict> compare

18:28 <PovAddict> create_huge_xml > host.xml; (creates 2GB file) gzip host.xml; (reads 2GB file, writes 300MB host.xml.gz and deletes original)

18:28 * Rookie_69 wonders why nobody speaks Amerenglish any more.

18:28 <PovAddict> create_huge_xml | gzip > host.xml.gz (creates 300MB file)

18:31 * Rookie_69 might need to learn Technogibberish.

18:33 <KathrynM> geek is a language unto itself

18:33 <Didactylos> +--------------------------+----------------------------------+

18:33 <Didactylos> | Variable_name            | Value                            |

18:33 <Didactylos> +--------------------------+----------------------------------+

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_client     | utf8                             |

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_connection | utf8                             |

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_database   | utf8                             |

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_filesystem | binary                           |

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_results    | utf8                             |

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_server     | utf8                             |

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_set_system     | utf8                             |

18:33 <PovAddict> zomgpaste

18:33 <Didactylos> | character_sets_dir       | /usr/local/share/mysql/charsets/ |

18:33 <Didactylos> +--------------------------+----------------------------------+

18:33 <Didactylos> *Happiness*

18:34 <Didactylos> And a wasted evening.

18:34 <Didactylos> Did I mention how crappy mysql is?

18:34 <PovAddict> I don't think you did

18:34 <Didactylos> I keep meaning to switch entirely to postgres, but never find time.

18:35 <Rookie_69> A switch is as good as a... whip?

18:36 <Rookie_69> I recently got told I had a dry sense of humour.

18:36 <Rookie_69> Do ta think?

18:36 <Rookie_69> Grr...

18:36 <Rookie_69> Do ya think?

18:37 <Rookie_69> Wry?.. Rye not?

18:37 <KathrynM> lol

18:39 * Soul_keeper slaps the foreigner

18:40 * Soul_keeper incerts trout* to avoid confusion

18:40 * Rookie_69 wonders why Soul-keeper slaps around a band...

18:41 <Didactylos> Shit. All that, and it doesn't work.

18:41 <wdsmia> asks Didactylos to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:41 <Didactylos> What did I *miss*?

18:43 <Rookie_69> Dinner, if you're like me.

18:44 <Rookie_69> Otherwise, I dunno.

18:46 <PovAddict> hmm I had never really looked into pgsql

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18:48 <KathrynM> Jord's here

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18:48 <PovAddict> so that's what caused the netsplit...

18:48 <Ageless93> I saw someone looking for his sanity?

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18:48 <PovAddict> disturbance on the force

18:48 <KathrynM> lol

18:48 <Rookie_69> Jord caused a split?

18:49 <Ageless93> Oh God, I caused lots of people's BOINC to crash. I caused a net split. I caused war in Georgia. What next?

18:49 <Rookie_69> I guess I'm slow...

18:50 <Rookie_69> Soviet or American Georgia?

18:50 * Rookie_69 is out of touch...

18:51 <Ageless93> independent Georgia (since 1990)

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18:55 <xcamel> wow - that took forever..

18:56 <Ageless93> slow typer?

18:56 <xcamel> got kiscked off for no good reason..

18:56 <xcamel> er kicked even

18:56 <Ageless93> I am told I was the cause

18:56 <Ageless93> I joined.

18:56 <xcamel> doubt it, Jord

18:56 <Ageless93> 20 people left

18:56 <Ageless93> ;)

18:57 <xcamel> server wouldn't re-hub

18:57 <Ageless93> sunspots

18:57 <xcamel> none of those either..

18:57 <Ageless93> solar flares?

18:58 <xcamel> need spots..

18:58 <Ageless93> sometimes hardware needs a kick

18:58 <xcamel> gamma ray burst

18:58 <Ageless93> lol, then you have a clean server

18:59 <xcamel> and a dead planet..

18:59 <Ageless93> the cockroaches will survive, so teach a couple to reformat and reinstall for when you reincarnate

19:00 <Ageless93> Lord^Anubis there will be able to chat with you, if he can get into his coffin

19:01 <xcamel> lil

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19:01 <Ageless93> lil? laughing in languages?

19:01 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080808.html

19:01 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 August 8 - The Crown of the Sun (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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19:01 * Ageless93 is always on the lookout for new abbreviations

19:03 <xcamel> that was just a typing fubar

19:03 <Ageless93> I know

19:05 <Rookie_69> FUBAR... Fixing Unorganised Bastardisations At Random?

19:05 <PovAddict> Ageless93: did you ever build the client from source on Windows?

19:06 <Ageless93> Not anymore since they had the 6 for build, Nick. besides, something's fubared in my wxwidgets installation, I have to reinstall all that at one time. trouble is that most my time goes to playing Crysis and Stalker.

19:07 <Ageless93> if I am not wondering what the heck is crashing BOINC on my Win2k machine... ;)

19:08 <PovAddict> that's what I meant, building the client (no need for manager) from source, trying on the b0rked win2k machine... better debugging info available that way

19:08 <PovAddict> did you do a "visual inspection" of the account XML files?

19:08 <Ageless93> I spent most of the past hour going through the xml files. I don't see anything different.

19:09 <Ageless93> hence why I came here, to see if there's more people with the problem. I found bruno Olsen on Seti with the same problem and Mike on CPDN as well.

19:09 <Ageless93> and it all started last night

19:09 * PovAddict runs 5.10.45 on Linux

19:09 <Ageless93> so what happened last night?

19:09 <PovAddict> 08/08/08?

19:09 <Ageless93> plus it all seems to happen on Windows machines.

19:10 <Ageless93> no, for me it was 08/07/08

19:10 <xcamel> bejing bug?

19:10 <PovAddict> Olympics caused a disturbance on the force?

19:10 <Ageless93> what's bugging me is that it isn't freaking out the devs.

19:10 <Ageless93> 6.2 was pulled because of a keyboard/mouse detection bug on Vista only.

19:10 <xcamel> how could you tell?

19:11 <Ageless93> but the boinc client crashing on a variety of Windows, be it 5.10's to 6.2's isn't a problem.

19:11 <Ageless93> it's not high on the list for Rom.. he's only going to look into it "next".

19:11 <PovAddict> yeah, with that activity detection bug on Vista they quickly pulled the release, asked for more info, etc; they barely noticed reports of this crash

19:12 <Ageless93> trouble is, I can't run BOINC at this moment on that machine. It just refuses to run. period.

19:12 <PovAddict> did you try enabling lots of debug flags in cc_config?

19:12 <Ageless93> and it takes 5 minutes each time for the service to time out... so even if I would go test the 37 projects I am attached to... um.. well...

19:13 <PovAddict> &google calc 37 * 5 minutes

19:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: 37 * 5 minutes = 3.08333333 hours

19:13 <Ageless93> there's nothing to debug. BOINC doesn't go any further than detection of the hard drives.

19:13 <PovAddict> not even "starting app xxx"?

19:13 <Ageless93> nope

19:14 <Ageless93> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=3010&nowrap=true#19341

19:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6s8hxb> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

19:14 <Ageless93> that's all she does.

19:14 <PovAddict> damn, I *wish* I could reproduce that

19:14 <Ageless93> do you have Win2k?

19:14 <PovAddict> one machine with Linux, and WinXP on the other partition

19:14 <Ageless93> or any other Windows... I don't think it matters that much.

19:14 <PovAddict> another machine with WinXP, and a recently-dead power supply

19:15 <PovAddict> hmm

19:15 <Ageless93> as long as you keep the machine off line after using my data directory, I can add you to the download option on skydrive...

19:15 <Ageless93> then you can go test

19:15 <PovAddict> sysinternals Process Monitor could help see what it's doing before dying

19:16 <PovAddict> shows any and all file accesses, for example

19:16 <Ageless93> yeah.. die in 4 seconds

19:16 <Ageless93> if there would be a file access, it would be of the account file for abc

19:16 <Ageless93> that's the first in the list

19:17 <Ageless93> but... as I said, it doesn't even get there.

19:17 <Ageless93> My BOINc doesn't even get to the line of No co-processors.

19:18 <PovAddict> posts on that thread point at QCN

19:18 <Ageless93> so that's what that it accesses? it checks where the data directory is.

19:18 <Didactylos> AHA!

19:18 <Ageless93> Eric Myers isn't attached to QCN

19:19 <PovAddict> also, it's definitely reading other files... like app_info, cc_config... can't tell from messages if it read client_state already or not

19:20 <Ageless93> the last thing that happened before it died was upload a trickle to QCN

19:20 <Ageless93> but that's where to coincidences end

19:21 * Rookie_69 heads off to bed...

19:21 <PovAddict> I can has skydrive access?

19:21 <PovAddict> I want to look at the XMLs myself

19:21 <Ageless93> my other box has the problem that it cannot install anything while BOINC is running as then the whole computer hangs. I have to suspend BOINC before installing anything. probably not related.

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19:21 <Ageless93> um yeah, let me go one on one with you to finalize that

19:24 <xcamel> qcn?

19:24 <Romulus> Somebody said qcn is down already, xcamel

19:24 <PovAddict> quake catcher network

19:24 <xcamel> ah

19:24 <PovAddict> requires Mac with accelerometer

19:24 <xcamel> you tried galaxy zoo?

19:25 <xcamel> fun if you have good eyes..

19:26 <Ageless93> requires any laptop with an accelerometer, or you buy a USB stick with an accelerometer and stick it in your PC. ;)

19:27 <PovAddict> didn't know it supported any other yet

19:27 <PovAddict> I read about the USB stick, but it's not on sale yet

19:27 <PovAddict> &google calc (45MB*9) / 3MBit/s

19:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

19:27 <PovAddict> &google calc (45MB*9) / 3Mbit/s

19:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

19:28 <PovAddict> 18 minutes? only?

19:30 <Ageless93> something like that

19:30 <PovAddict> doubt I'll reach my full 3mbit though

19:31 <Ageless93> i calculated 17 minutes at a 380KB/sec

19:31 <Ageless93> but doubt you go that high ;)

19:31 <PovAddict> &google calc (45MB*9) / 2 megabit/s

19:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: (45 MB * 9) / (2 (megabit / s)) = 27 minutes

19:31 <Ageless93> trouble is that you download the data for the CPDN Beta model I had, that's why the data directory is that big

19:33 <PovAddict> skydrive just made Konqueror crash

19:33 <PovAddict> impressive

19:34 <Ageless93> lol

19:35 <Ageless93> the weirdest thing about that site is that it shows no progress bar. In Firefox you have a beach-ball game to play with that is totally missing in IE7... go wonder what IE users do why uploading.

19:36 <Ageless93> that's when you upload that the progress is missing. I had totally no indication how long it would take.

19:36 <PovAddict> even crappy stuff like filebin.com have upload progress bars...

19:37 <PovAddict> maybe they are afraid some company would sue them over a patent :)

19:37 <Ageless93> not Skydrive.

19:37 <Ageless93> but it's 5GB of free space... so I won't complain.

19:38 <PovAddict> I remember some (paid) storage service called Xdrive

19:38 <Ageless93> and I can choose who sees my stuff or not.

19:38 <PovAddict> as the name says... the (optional) desktop software to ease uploads added a virtual X: drive letter, showed in explorer as any other drive

19:38 <Ageless93> Jay sees all my porn there, although he will tell you he doesn't. ;)

19:39 <PovAddict> lol :D

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19:41 <xcamel> pffft~~~

19:42 <efc> Hey

19:45 <PovAddict> yay, unrar-free can cope with your files

19:45 <Ageless93> they're rar files, so why not.

19:45 <Ageless93> even 7zip can unrar them

19:45 <PovAddict> doesn't support 3.0 format

19:45 * efc is waiting for the Triathlon (Must beat, shoot, and run over with a tank a bunch of protestors)

19:46 <Ageless93> I got an old WinRAR]

19:46 <Ageless93> hacked my Fosi... anyone remember him? ;)

19:47 <Ageless93> *by

19:54 <PovAddict> does QCN even work on Linux?

19:54 <KathrynM> don't think so

19:55 <KathrynM> I think it's win/mac only

19:55 <PovAddict> that's why no Linux crashes then

19:55 <KathrynM> well aren't we special then

19:55 <KathrynM> any mac crashes?

19:55 * PovAddict writes a test program to call PROJECT::parse_account

19:56 <Ageless93> oh.. parse, not :p arse

19:56 <Ageless93> only Windows crashes

20:07 <Ageless93> ok, I am going to bed. Before someone else tells me to go to sleep. ;)

20:07 <Ageless93> let me know what you find, Nick.

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20:23 <PovAddict> ok, the crash is *not* when parsing the account file

20:25 <PovAddict> I believe I found it

20:25 <PovAddict> QCN project specific prefs are longer than 64KB

20:26 <Didactylos> I knew those stupid buffers would cause trouble.

20:26 <PovAddict> and the problem isn't when parsing, but when they get used in cs_prefs.C

20:27 <Didactylos> 64k is big enough for anyone, right?

20:27 <PovAddict> #define MAX_PROJ_PREFS_LEN  65536

20:27 <PovAddict> then the unchecked copy

20:27 <PovAddict> char prefs_buf[MAX_PROJ_PREFS_LEN];

20:27 <PovAddict> strcpy(prefs_buf, project_specific_prefs.c_str());

20:27 <Didactylos> *shudder*

20:27 <Didactylos> Well, we can fix that.

20:29 <PovAddict> I actually don't understand the purpose of this whole function

20:29 <Didactylos> Where?

20:30 <Didactylos> line number?

20:30 <PovAddict> cs_prefs.C:291

20:31 <PovAddict> I haven't seen <app_file> in any account_*.xml file from either my BOINC installation or Jord's

20:36 <PovAddict> ok, another log posted on the forum thread points more strongly at that function as the crash-causer

20:39 <Didactylos> name_timestamp?

20:39 <PovAddict> name/timestamp/url are properties of a FILE_INFO

20:40 <PovAddict> I believe the XML structure of <app_file> is like <file_info>

20:40 <PovAddict> also, the key to search is not app_file, but user_files

20:40 <PovAddict> parse_preferences_for_user_files

20:41 <PovAddict> app_start.C has a link_user_files function; still can't figure out the whole purpose of this

20:43 <Didactylos> Documentation? This is write-only code, didn't you know? :-p

20:44 <PovAddict> ./checkin_notes_2003:1408 !

20:44 * PovAddict pokes whole channel

20:44 <PovAddict> has anyone here customized SETI screensaver to show a background image?

20:45 <PovAddict> Didactylos: see also checkin_notes_2003:4538

20:45 <PovAddict> 4521 actually

20:48 <Didactylos> *rolls eyes*

20:49 <PovAddict> SETI uses it and no other project can... because it's not documented

20:49 <Didactylos> Does SETI *actually* use it?

20:49 <PovAddict> I'm not too sure, but SETI lets you change your screensaver background image

20:50 <PovAddict> which may be implemented this way

20:50 <PovAddict> <- testing

20:51 <Didactylos> Sounds like a big fat security hole to me.

20:51 <PovAddict> yep!

20:51 <PovAddict> I just changed my screensaver settings and attached to SETI

20:51 <PovAddict> account file:

20:51 <PovAddict>         <app_file>

20:51 <PovAddict>             <timestamp>1218243033</timestamp>

20:51 <PovAddict>             <open_name>user_logo</open_name>

20:52 <PovAddict> <url>http://boinc.berkeley.edu/logo/www_logo.gif</url>

20:52 <PovAddict>         </app_file>

20:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5gfrrc> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

20:54 <PovAddict> so we just found a bug from BOINC 2.something :)

20:55 <Didactylos> It was all you. Go you!

20:55 <PovAddict> :)

20:57 <PovAddict> not sure why that string is being copied into a char[], actually

20:57 <PovAddict> I'll try a const char* to make sure there is nothing modifying it

20:58 <PovAddict> *q2 = 0; ah, it *is* being modified

20:59 <Didactylos> Ew!

21:00 <Didactylos> Turning the < into a null terminator?

21:00 <PovAddict> hmm

21:00 <PovAddict> probably :)

21:01 <Didactylos> "We're too cheap to use a real XML library. Let's make a mess instead".

21:01 <PovAddict> I have done similar evils in the past... like having a "foo=bar" string, assigning it to the "name" variable, replacing the = with a null, and a pointer to the following character to the "value" variable

21:01 <Didactylos> So copying the whole thing is "more efficient" than copying just what you need?

21:02 <PovAddict> but what if I forget I did that, and free(value)... :)

21:02 <Didactylos> PovAddict: that's relatively clean.

21:02 <Didactylos> This is just ugly.

21:02 <Didactylos> Copying 64k just to extract a few strings....

21:02 <PovAddict> clean and less malloc'ing, so less memory fragmentation, and less memory usage (no need to *copy* value)

21:03 <PovAddict> but meh

21:03 <PovAddict> in C++ I wouldn't do that

21:03 <Didactylos> DA is always about the premature optimisation.

21:04 <PovAddict> wrong optimization :)

21:04 <Didactylos> But then does things like rewriting a huge state file constantly.

21:04 <PovAddict> you don't need to profile to notice this saves time by shuffing with pointers but wastes time copying the whole thing and wastes memory allocating 64KB

21:05 <Didactylos> And we know the whole mess hid at least *one* bug.

21:05 <Didactylos> How many more, I wonder?

21:06 * PovAddict debugs his "fix"

21:06 <PovAddict> currently, it doesn't uselessly copy, but it's not particularly cleaner, and may have off-by-one bug

21:07 <PovAddict> but I won't go for "it compiles? ship it!"

21:07 <Didactylos> The mere fact that these files can bloat to 64k disturbs me a little.

21:08 <PovAddict> ah I'll pastebin QCN account file (minus the account key) so you see why

21:09 <PovAddict> triggered pastebin.com spam filter

21:09 <Didactylos> .ca

21:10 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/1096362

21:10 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Stuff - post number 1096362 (at pastebin.ca)

21:12 <Didactylos> O.o

21:12 <Didactylos> So, absolutely no reason why they couldn't put that in a seperate file?

21:13 <PovAddict> Carl.

21:13 <PovAddict> 'nuff said

21:13 <Didactylos> Still, someone should point out the dumbness.

21:23 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/1096372

21:23 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 1096372 (at pastebin.ca)

21:26 <Didactylos> Can still overrun.

21:26 <PovAddict> overrun 'buf'?

21:26 <Didactylos> Yes.

21:26 <PovAddict> that's true... hmm

21:36 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.ca/1096383

21:36 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Someone - post number 1096383 (at pastebin.ca)

21:37 <PovAddict> dinner ->

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21:54 <Switchcat> hmmm okay I'm not overclocking (a question that was asked before of this problem) but I keep getting exiting with zero status but no 'finished' file.. on different boinc projects.. any suggestions? (running on a pIII 500mhz, ubuntu linux)

21:54 <PovAddict> any network problems?

21:55 <PovAddict> does BOINC Manager get unresponsive just before the app "exits with zero status but..."?

21:56 <PovAddict> Didactylos: did you review my last paste?

21:57 <Switchcat> povaddict - I dont pay that close enough attention to know if it gets unresponsive or not

21:58 <PovAddict> Switchcat: there is a known bug that needs changing way too many things to fix

21:58 <Switchcat> no network problems that I know of (I'm not sure why that would apply) it's just one computer on a router & dsl.

21:58 <PovAddict> network comes down

21:58 <PovAddict> client tries to access network

21:58 <PovAddict> gets hanged for a whole thirty seconds waiting for a DNS response

21:58 <PovAddict> that has two consequences:

21:59 <PovAddict> 1. BOINC Manager also hangs, waiting for the client to reply

21:59 <PovAddict> 2. project applications don't get "heartbeat" messages from the core client, so they think the client quit, and they quit too

21:59 <Switchcat> eegads

22:00 <PovAddict> when the core client finally gives up trying to access the network, it notices the applications disappeared

22:00 <PovAddict> it says "app exited with zero status but no 'finished' file" and re-starts the app

22:00 <PovAddict> it's more fun if you have dozens of machines

22:01 <PovAddict> turn off the router and all your machines suddenly begin restarting the science apps over and over again

22:01 <Switchcat> thats... terribly unproductive

22:01 <Switchcat> something tells me I might need to switch to another distributed computing project/platform, this happens way too often

22:02 <PovAddict> it's like a dozen broken things... when all trigger at the same time, you get this situation

22:02 <PovAddict> 1. the client shouldn't stop responding to everything while it's busy waiting for network access

22:02 <PovAddict> 2. there should be some more reliable mechanism for apps to know when the client quit/crashed/disappeared

22:03 <PovAddict> 3. the GUI shouldn't hang waiting for the client

22:03 <PovAddict> anyway, this mess isn't the only cause for "exit with zero status" errors

22:04 <PovAddict> does it happen with all projects?

22:04 <Switchcat> uhmm I think many of the ones I run

22:05 <PovAddict> BOINC version?

22:05 <Switchcat> uhmm.. lemme check.. 5.10.45

22:14 <Didactylos> PovAddict: What it lacks in elegance, I think it makes up for in working properly.

22:15 <Didactylos> Assuming it does, of course....

22:15 <PovAddict> well, I don't think I can make it too much more elegant while keeping the parser :)

22:16 <PovAddict> wait a minute

22:16 <PovAddict> ah, I understood the condition backwards... nevermind

22:17 <PovAddict> "break;"s if parse_str *fails*, not if it works... :)

22:18 <Didactylos> For consistency, maybe you should rewrite it using the "new" xml parser?

22:27 <PovAddict> see lib/parse.C:23 :D

22:31 <Soul_keeper> there was a mother cat and her kittens in my boat just now

22:32 <Didactylos> I was talking about parse.h:60

22:32 <Soul_keeper> all the kittens and the mother jumped out and ran off when i came out  cept one kitten  the runt of the liter couldn't make it out

22:32 <PovAddict> yeah I was just reading that

22:36 * PovAddict thinks his email may not annoy DA enough, and wonders what else to add

22:39 <Switchcat> is there any older more stable versions of boinc that perhaps don't have these problems?

22:39 <Didactylos> Switchcat: no.

22:39 <PovAddict> older isn't more stable

22:39 <PovAddict> neither newer, actually :D

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