IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-08-10

00:02 <Soul_keeper> i hate chess games where you gotta read a howto just to figure out how to move the pawn

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00:30 <Soul_keeper> i absolutely cannot win at chess

00:30 <Soul_keeper> all games make me want to die

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02:11 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

02:12 <Soul_keeper> i need to erase all statistics older than 12 days ...

02:14 <KathrynM> Is the mananger?

02:14 <KathrynM> *In

02:14 <zombie67> hi KathrynM

02:14 <KathrynM> hiya zombie67

02:14 <zombie67> you saw about te new test project?

02:14 <KathrynM> cels?

02:14 <zombie67> yep

02:15 <Soul_keeper> i had just copied over a dir from one machine to another, forgot to erase the stats files, guess i'll just have to start fresh

02:15 <KathrynM> ya, but I don't have any win boxes

02:15 <zombie67> oh

02:15 <KathrynM> Soul_keeper, cc_config can control that

02:15 <Soul_keeper> nice there is a zoom feature on the charts

02:15 <zombie67> well, they also don't have mac apps, but that doesn't stop me

02:15 <Soul_keeper> you can highlight an area with the mouse and expand it

02:16 <zombie67> i hope they will eventually bring out those apps, and will need us to test it

02:16 <PovAddict> weird, three projects :P

02:16 <PovAddict>

02:16 <PovAddict>

02:16 <PovAddict>

02:16 <Romulus> Title: Cels@Home (at

02:16 <Romulus> Title: Cels-at-home Test Project (at

02:16 <Romulus> Title: Cels@Home [Second] Test Project (at

02:16 <KathrynM> PovAddict, wtf are you doing up?

02:16 <zombie67> '/test is now dead

02:17 <zombie67> '/test2 is the new one

02:17 <PovAddict>

02:17 <Romulus> Title: Test Project (at

02:17 <zombie67> yeah, I am attached to that

02:17 <zombie67> but my machines have never been able to complete the attach process

02:18 <PovAddict>

02:18 <Romulus> Title: Prob (at

02:19 <PovAddict>

02:19 <efc> zzz

02:19 <Romulus> <> (at

02:19 <zombie67> thanks.  sctr is new!

02:19 <zombie67> to me anyway

02:20 <PovAddict> *lots* there are new to me

02:21 <zombie67> thanks!

02:21 <KathrynM> zombie67, I apparently have an account on their new test project.  Did they import the team list?

02:21 <Soul_keeper> yeah i knew about cc_config   changed it  and told the guy to "read config file"  but it still didn't delete the old data

02:21 <zombie67> soooo many "test projects"

02:21 <PovAddict> zombie67: I have one of my own, a few hours old

02:21 <zombie67> kathrynm:  dunno

02:22 <PovAddict> got carried on and wrote a *useful* (sort of) science app

02:22 <zombie67> Pov???  You have a new project??

02:22 <zombie67> gimme!

02:22 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes, just because we need a test server for our client changes

02:22 <PovAddict> for example, Didactylos is testing a fix for the manager when you abort lots of tasks

02:23 <PovAddict> yes / no / *yes to all* dialog

02:23 <zombie67> ah, how the tasks selected will change

02:23 <zombie67> AWESOME

02:23 <PovAddict> he can't test that on a real project, because his daily quota will go to zero pretty quick

02:24 <zombie67> need help?

02:25 <Soul_keeper>    BOINC on my Eeepc

02:25 <Romulus> <> (at

02:25 <zombie67> funny thing...I think he and I crossed horns in the past over on WCG.

02:25 <Soul_keeper> rac of like 50

02:25 <zombie67> here, he seems completely different

02:26 <KathrynM> sending an email to Mark now, zombie67

02:26 <zombie67> about?

02:27 <zombie67> oh, our cels test2 account?

02:27 <KathrynM> yeah

02:27 <KathrynM> tried getting my key mailed, but nothing coming

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02:28 <zombie67> I just created my account from scratch

02:29 <zombie67>    last app released in 2007

02:29 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at

02:33 <Soul_keeper> what is BS-RAC ?

02:35 <Soul_keeper> ok boinc stats ... but what's the difference ...

02:35 * Soul_keeper realizes he's unimportant here

02:35 <PovAddict> RAC as calculated by boincstats looking at historical total credit

02:38 <zombie67>

02:38 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats/BAM! | F.A.Q. (at

02:39 <zombie67> BS-RAC is the gained credit of the past x days divided by x, where x is the number of days in the day-history (also used for the 60 day history chart), with a maximum of 60 days.

02:39 <zombie67> Some projects to not correctly update project-RAC which makes this RAC too high or too low compared to reality.

02:39 <zombie67> BS-RAC is more accurate than project RAC because it is updated every day together with the daily update and it represents your true average credit per day.

02:41 <Soul_keeper> ok thanks

02:47 <quail> afternoon all

02:48 <Soul_keeper> hi

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03:36 <quail> how have peoples day been?

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04:13 <Soul_keeper>

04:13 <Romulus> <> (at

04:16 <quail> Soul_keeper: how many computers you got running?

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04:22 <Soul_keeper> like 5

04:28 * quail has just started back up his CP account

04:30 * quail for got how big CP was :-/

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05:29 <CoderForLife> morning

05:30 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

05:30 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM =)

05:31 <quail> in a few hours debconf8 will officially begin, you can participate by watching the live video streams as described on | main web site here

05:31 <Romulus> Title: DebConf8/Streams - Wiki (at

05:32 <CoderForLife> just got up - slept the better part of 9 hours

05:32 <quail> CoderForLife: g'day Don, nice

05:32 <KathrynM> good!

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05:33 <CoderForLife> It's a shame that so many people have to get together to figure out Debian

05:33 <quail> o.0

05:33 <CoderForLife> lol

05:35 <quail> hehe

05:35 <CoderForLife> I could sleep either because 1) the itching is subsiding on it's own, 2) the new anti-itch lotion I bought really works, or 3) I was too exhausted to notice

05:35 <KathrynM> exhaustion would be my guess

05:36 <quail> ditto

05:36 <CoderForLife> let's not be too optimistic, shall we?  =)

05:36 * KathrynM goes to hide in a corner

05:37 <quail> hehe o.0

05:37 <CoderForLife> "the problem isn't getting better, you're just too dull to notice"  =)

05:38 <quail> oh :-/

05:38 <CoderForLife> lol

05:38 * quail crunching some CP atm

05:38 * CoderForLife updates his Starwood Preferred Guest points in MS Money

05:46 <CoderForLife> try to contain your excitement

05:46 <KathrynM> bbiab...  gotta make some dinner

05:46 <CoderForLife> k

05:46 * quail should get off his backside and phone in his pizza order

05:50 <CoderForLife> I'm going In Search of Breakfast -  bbiab

06:03 <CoderForLife> bwb

06:03 <KathrynM> what's for breakfast?

06:05 <CoderForLife> you always ask that on the most difficult to explain mornings =)

06:05 <quail> bwb = bread with bacon or vise versa?

06:05 <CoderForLife> back with breakfast

06:05 <CoderForLife> I am having a bit of popcorn chicken, and some cheese

06:06 <KathrynM> typical Coder breakfast

06:06 <CoderForLife> oh, and Coca-Cola =)

06:06 <KathrynM> of course

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06:19 <CoderForLife> wb ELGono

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06:49 <CoderForLife> brb

07:22 <CoderForLife> looks like the time lapse rig is working

07:27 <CoderForLife> bbiab

07:31 <xcamel> 'lo

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07:51 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel

07:51 <CoderForLife> missed you yesterday

07:58 <xcamel> was out 'doin stuff'

08:00 <CoderForLife> it was a good day for it

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08:10 <xcamel> now the new stove is messed up...

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08:13 <xcamel> seems to have a mind of it's own at the moment

08:14 <CoderForLife> we had to replace our ovens when the controller went nuts

08:15 <KathrynM> Oh the luxury of a real oven...

08:15 <xcamel> this bosch is only 6 months old

08:16 <CoderForLife> well - I'm off to Home Depot this morning - if only we had a *real* hardware store to go to...

08:17 <KathrynM> lol

08:18 <CoderForLife> but New York is just too far away

08:24 <xcamel> oh well..

08:24 <CoderForLife> another nickle-98 to the competition =)

08:25 <CoderForLife> he he

08:25 <CoderForLife> off to HD - bbl

08:25 <xcamel> can't find any troubleshooting help on line for my model..

08:26 <CoderForLife> did you try speaking German?

08:26 <xcamel> ip kills

08:26 * CoderForLife thinks Bosch is german

08:26 <xcamel> dovecot hammer

08:27 * CoderForLife buries the hammer in the sea of IP forgetfulness

08:27 <CoderForLife> thx

08:32 <ELGono> indeed jay bosh is german.... not as worse as siemens ;)

08:34 <xcamel> I know..

08:35 <xcamel> kitchen appliances/range/HES715-2U

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08:44 <MTughan> Massive explosion in northwest Toronto at a propane facility:,_Ontario

08:44 <Romulus> <> (at

08:44 <MTughan> 2 propane tankers still in the area, police say they can level a 2km, or 1.2mi, radius if they explode.

08:47 <KathrynM> about 5 years ago, we had a 20 inch gas line hit by a construction crew and it exploded

08:47 <KathrynM>

08:47 <Romulus> Title: THE BIG ONES (at

08:49 <quail> back

08:49 <MTughan> I think that this one is bigger than that, but with gas like that lighting on fire, it doesn't really matter the size. :P

08:50 <quail> &wx ypad

08:50 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 46°F / 8°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Overcast. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.;

08:50 <KathrynM> definitely MTughan

08:51 <KathrynM> I was trying to see if there was a picture of my god father on the site, but I don't see one.

08:54 * KathrynM falls into bed

08:54 <KathrynM> &nn

08:54 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

08:54 <MTughan> Night.

08:56 <frost__> can anyone confirm that boincstats is down?

08:58 <MTughan> Unconfirmed. Loaded here, after a time.

08:59 <frost__> thank you

09:00 <ELGono> up here, too

09:02 <xcamel> propane explosion after a train wreck 1999? almost leveled a town in the midwest

09:02 <MTughan> Ah... Not two truck tankers at the explosion, but two rail tankers. And it'll level 1.6km, not 2km.

09:02 <MTughan> The police just held a news conference.

09:06 <xcamel> and?

09:06 <Romulus> Rumor has it and is with no internet for like a month, xcamel

09:07 <MTughan> And what?

09:07 <Romulus> hmm... And what is the url again, MTughan

09:07 <MTughan> Grr....

09:47 <xcamel> one hell of a youtube video

09:47 <MTughan> I didn't hear any of it, but I'm quite far away... One sec.

09:48 <xcamel> (Go to 1:50 for HUGE explosion)

09:48 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Toronto propane depot explosion (at

09:49 <MTughan> ~20km away from here.

09:49 <xcamel>

09:49 <xcamel> you must be a deep sleeper..

09:49 <MTughan> Something like that.

09:51 <CoderForLife> that was one big bang

09:51 <xcamel> ...emergency calls came in from as far as 30 miles away...

09:51 <MTughan> Interesting news... I was just around that area yesterday afternoon.

09:52 <MTughan> Dropping off some people just ~2-3km southwest of there. I bet they heard it...

09:52 <Tank_Master> guy dont got no steady hand

09:53 <MTughan> So far, they say the biggest injury was a twisted ankle as a guy ran out.

09:53 <MTughan> I'm listening to CBC radio, BTW.

09:54 <Tank_Master> small firecracker

09:54 <MTughan> Expensive firecracker...

09:54 <Tank_Master> :P

09:55 <MTughan> In other news...

09:55 <MTughan> [09:55am] christel: [Global Notice] Hi all, our services have gone AWOL, we're looking into it and should have them back online momentarily. Apologies for the inconvenience.

09:55 <xcamel> se have 7-15 propane cars go right pas my office twice a day...

09:55 <xcamel> I get notices..

09:55 <Tank_Master> 2008:08:10:06:54:34 -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, our services have gone AWOL, we're looking into it and should have them back online momentarily. Apologies for the inconvenience.

09:55 <MTughan> xcamel: You might. Not too many other people do...

09:55 <MTughan> Or not.

09:55 <CoderForLife> I bet you get nervous, too

09:56 <xcamel> as channel owner...

09:57 <xcamel> not

09:58 <MTughan> Oh, it goes to channel owners?

09:58 <xcamel> yep

09:58 <MTughan> That would explain it...

09:58 <CoderForLife> I got the notice too

09:58 <MTughan> As I remember it was a flag you set on your nick.

09:58 <xcamel> next arm of this upper level low about to go by... looks like a t-storm

09:59 <xcamel> it can be that too, if you want them.

10:00 <xcamel> this weather drives my sinuses nuts..

10:10 <xcamel> still here Don?

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10:22 <xcamel> cripes

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10:22 <MTughan> That sounded really odd...

10:23 <xcamel> eh?

10:23 <MTughan> Like a gunshot, then a deflating balloon... o_O

10:23 <xcamel> another explosion?

10:23 <MTughan> My client has audio cues for certain actions.

10:23 <xcamel> in the distance?

10:23 <xcamel> oh.. your computer

10:24 <Zombie> Hello.

10:24 <xcamel> 'lo

10:25 <Zombie> Where is the URL to check my Boinc score for a given node?

10:25 <MTughan> Node?

10:25 <Zombie> For Seti@Home

10:25 <Zombie> Yes.,

10:25 <Zombie> I want to check Altanis's credits.

10:26 <MTughan> Specific set of WUs, or another user's credits?

10:26 <Zombie> My user's credits.

10:27 <Zombie> (Well, my father's, but I manage it.)

10:27 <MTughan> -> Tasks

10:27 <MTughan> Not what you want?

10:27 <Romulus> Title: Please log in (at

10:28 <desti> in your profile under computers

10:32 <Zombie> The bad thing is, the Linux Client Crashes whenever I try and "view the graphics"

10:32 <MTughan> That sounds more like a BOINC error, not a SETI specific error.

10:33 <Zombie> Yeah.

10:33 <MTughan> Any error messages?

10:34 <Zombie> I don't know how to get a backtrace brom boinc

10:34 <MTughan> There should be text files with output... Let me look up the names.

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10:35 <MTughan> Try stderrgui.txt and stdoutgui.txt in BOINC's directory.

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10:40 <Zombie>

10:40 <Romulus> Title: Mandriva - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:40 <MTughan> Where is that from?

10:41 <Zombie> cat /var/lib/boinc/slots/0/stderr.txt

10:41 <MTughan> Nope... I meant /var/lib/boinc/stderrgui.txt and /var/lib/boinc/stdoutgui.txt. Are you using the GUI?

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10:43 <Zombie> I do.

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10:44 <MTughan> hawmps_: Make up your mind, would you?

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10:47 <MTughan> Oh yeah... Give you who are listening to me about the explosion (imagine that!), it's a 6-alarm fire.

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11:06 <MTughan> One more thing, just from me:,-79.464455&spn=0.056804,0.150375&z=13

11:06 <Romulus> <> (at

11:06 <MTughan> Area being evacuated is between: Keele Street to Dufferin Street/Allen Road and Highway 401 to Sheppard Avenue.

11:11 <MTughan> Zombie: Did you get the logs I pointed you to? They should exist.

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11:13 <Zombie> I can't find them.

11:13 <Zombie> They don't.

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11:14 <MTughan> Where do you run boincmgr from?

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11:14 <MTughan> Oh... Is this installed from a package?

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11:19 <MTughan> 'lo zombie67

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11:19 <MTughan> Two undeads now... :P

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11:21 <xcamel> killed the client remotely - barely

11:22 <MTughan> Oh yeah, that would be your work wouldn't it... :P

11:22 <zombie67> hi

11:23 <xcamel> I think the cable modem is going bad

11:24 <xcamel> bbiab

11:30 <Zombie> MTughan: Its an official Mandriva Build.

11:30 <MTughan> How do you start the GUI?

11:31 <Zombie> boincmgr

11:31 <MTughan> In a command line: which boincmgr

11:32 <Zombie> Its in '/usr/bin/boincmgr

11:32 <MTughan> Sounds like a shell script then... If it is, pastebin it.

11:33 <Zombie> usr/bin/boincmgr: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped

11:33 <MTughan> Okay, so it is an exe then... Can locate find it? `locate stdguierr.txt`

11:34 <Zombie> Nope.

11:34 <Zombie> What distro do you use?

11:34 <Zombie> Just curious.

11:34 <MTughan> Fedora, but I set it up myself.

11:34 <MTughan> And manually sandboxed it in /home/boinc_master/BOINC

11:34 <Zombie> Fedora has official boinc builds doesn't it?

11:35 <MTughan> It didn't when I set it up.

11:35 <Zombie> mine is sandboxed in /var/lib/lib/boinc

11:35 <MTughan> No stderrgui.txt in there?

11:35 <Zombie> Nope.

11:36 <MTughan> What about stderrdae.txt?

11:36 <Zombie> -rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc  1428 2008-08-09 02:53

11:36 <Zombie> -rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc     0 2008-07-25 23:42 stderrdae.txt

11:36 <Zombie> -rw-r--r-- 1 boinc boinc 51275 2008-08-10 06:38 stdoutdae.txt

11:37 <MTughan> std???dae.txt is for the core client...

11:37 <MTughan> stderrdae.txt is obviously not going to help us though...

11:38 <Zombie> Can I tell you what its behavior is?

11:38 <MTughan> You can try, it's better than nothing...

11:38 <Zombie> You click it, and seemingly nothing happens

11:39 <Zombie> But then you see an errorr on the current tasks

11:39 <MTughan> The task errors out?

11:40 <Zombie> Yes,

11:40 <MTughan> Try checking stdoutdae.txt then...

11:40 <MTughan> Is it just SETI that doesn't work? Also, what version of BOINC are you using?

11:45 <Zombie> boinc-manager-5.10.45-1.svn20080315.1mdv2008.1

11:46 <MTughan> I think that may have just answered your question... /var/lib/boinc/projects/, what applications are in there?

11:47 <MTughan> (you may have to change the last directory, but that should be it)

11:48 <Didactylos> Hey, zombie67.... I was looking at an old credit thread at WCG.

11:49 <Zombie> ap_graphics_4.35_i686-pc-linux-gnu

11:49 <Zombie> astropulse_4.35_i686-pc-linux-gnu

11:49 <Zombie> setiathome-5.27.i686-pc-linux-gnu

11:49 <Didactylos> Turns out WCG are trying suggestions favoured by both of us: namely scaling benchmarks based on actual performance, and mini-benchmark work units.

11:50 <MTughan> Zombie: What WUs are erroring out? Astropulse or SETI@home Enhanced?

11:50 <Zombie> How do I check?

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11:54 <MTughan> Did you change the view of the manager?

11:56 <zombie67> yeah...we butted heads in the past, i think

11:56 <zombie67> neat!

12:05 <MTughan> All right, I may disconnect over the next few minutes... We'll see what happens.

12:05 <Zombie> What?

12:06 <MTughan> I'm moving outside, and I don't know how far our wireless extends. If it's too far, I'll string a long Ethernet cable.

12:07 <MTughan> Still seems to be connected... Great.

12:08 <Didactylos> zombie67: I think you pegged me as one of those annoying people who like to sound like they know more than they do.

12:09 <Didactylos> s/pegged/pigeonholed/

12:10 <Didactylos> Plus, at WCG I'm not allowed to tell idiots to go and boil their heads. Cramps my style, it does.

12:11 <MTughan> lol

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12:12 <MTughan> Okay... Zombie: To check the application version, open the Manager. If you're in the Simple View (the default), it'll say "Application: " then the application name. If in Grid or Accessible view, there's a column for the application name. Check it against any workunits.

12:17 <xcamel> great -- nasty thunderstorm..

12:17 <zombie67> heh

12:19 <zombie67> there is something about the wcg forum that puts me in a foul mood.

12:20 <MTughan> Dang... Didn't realize how many fingerprints were on my LCD.

12:36 <Didactylos> I've been thinking about improving the DCF again.

12:37 <Didactylos> Completely pointless, because I don't plan to implement it for 6 months or so.

12:38 <Didactylos> Anyway, I will need to pick the brains of a statistician to get the error stuff right.

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12:46 <MTughan> Services seem to be back up.

12:48 <xcamel> wow - this storm got nasty!

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12:54 <xcamel> cripes..

12:54 <MTughan> Network went out?

12:54 <xcamel> getting hit all over...

12:54 <xcamel> storm got **really** nasty

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13:01 <xcamel> still snapping here and there..

13:01 <xcamel> lots of funky radio noise...

13:04 <xcamel> southern NJ getting hit too...

13:08 <Didactylos> Huh. This code shouldn't work. Why, then, does it work?

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13:49 <CoderForLife> back

13:49 * CoderForLife looks at xcamel's storm

13:51 <CoderForLife> wow  StrikeStar really lighting up NJ

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14:05 <isAAAc> hi

14:05 <isAAAc> i got trouble to upload results to seti

14:06 <isAAAc> i got 3 results to send, and they are always pending

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14:11 <MTughan> Just looking at SETI server stats, and I think they are or were starting to adopt a Star Wars theme with their servers... vader, anakin, lando, sidious, bane...

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14:22 * quail yawns, morning all

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14:37 <xcamel> 'lo Q

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14:38 <Didactylos> BOINC has had a never-ending stream of problems with idle detection.

14:38 <Didactylos> But what are the reasons given for this?

14:38 <Didactylos> I forgot.

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14:59 <xcamel> what that storm looked like this am:

14:59 <xcamel>

15:00 <xcamel> mighty ugly lookin

15:01 <MTughan> Ugh, so close... 299K.

15:02 <xcamel> sorry.. they're big

15:02 <xcamel> 1 mb

15:02 <MTughan> Oh, the link from that you posted earlier, they have video now.

15:04 <xcamel> better than earlier?

15:06 <CoderForLife> that was a worrisome-looking storm, xcamel

15:07 <xcamel> "high entertainment value storm"

15:07 <CoderForLife> heh

15:07 <xcamel> more coming..

15:07 <CoderForLife> yup

15:08 <xcamel> one of the ugliest looking pressure fronts I've seen in a very long time

15:08 <xcamel> 4-layer 'mothership' formation before I got the camera out..

15:08 <MTughan> Nasty looking one indeed... We had one that wasn't that bad looking, but dropped hail just a few days ago.

15:08 * quail yawns, morning all

15:08 <MTughan> 'lo quail

15:09 <quail> how are we all?

15:09 <xcamel> so it had gone full meso by the time it got here..

15:09 <CoderForLife> hey quail

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15:33 <JDLSpeedy> I been getting "Access to refernce site succeeded - project srvers may be temporarily down"

15:34 <JDLSpeedy> for the last 3 days

15:34 <MTughan> SETI?

15:34 <Romulus> I guess SETI is not very cache-sensitive, so an OC 4300 should do very well, MTughan

15:34 <MTughan> Neither are you Rommie...

15:34 <xcamel> seti seems to be having problems..

15:34 <JDLSpeedy> MTughan: yes

15:34 <MTughan> So is Rommie Jay. Please turn off the question responses.

15:34 <PovAddict> IRC global notices go to everybody; wallops go only if you havfe +w

15:34 <JDLSpeedy> xcamel: you having issues too?

15:35 <xcamel> uploads are stuck

15:35 <JDLSpeedy> i have about 8 ready for upload

15:36 * wdsmia has about 400 trying to upload

15:36 <xcamel> they're going in slooooowly

15:36 <MTughan> wdsmia: Yes, we know you have computing power. You've told us time and time again.

15:37 <xcamel> must be the verizon (almost) strike

15:37 <PovAddict> wdsmia: along all your computers?

15:37 * wdsmia slaps MTughan around with a large Carp

15:37 <wdsmia> only have 5 running seti

15:37 <JDLSpeedy> xcamel: ahh, i just saw the news on there site

15:39 <xcamel> ok..

15:39 <xcamel> pov seems to be a couple timezones out of sync.

15:41 * quail is doing some CP while seti is out of work units

15:46 * wdsmia is doing Laundry

15:54 <quail> &wx ypad

15:54 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 5:00 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Overcast. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.;

16:02 <xcamel> yup.. another nice line of storms lining up...

16:03 <xcamel> and I'm supossed to go out to dinner..

16:03 <xcamel> wifey/anniversary

16:04 <xcamel> gots to get mike to turn off that giant weather sit-n-spin up there...

16:04 <MTughan> Me?

16:05 <xcamel> you...

16:05 <MTughan> Hey, I don't do anything like that.

16:05 <MTughan> *turns up thunderstorms*

16:05 <MTughan> I would never do anything like that...

16:22 <quail> coffee and a salami n tzatziki sandwick :-)

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16:30 <KathrynM> PovAddict, ping

16:30 <PovAddict> pong

16:31 <KathrynM> remember when I was having trouble building the mananager?

16:31 <KathrynM> manager eveb

16:31 <KathrynM> even

16:31 <PovAddict> yeah

16:31 * KathrynM shakes her fingers to wake them up

16:31 <KathrynM> and I needed to add --enable-unicode

16:31 <KathrynM> you had me run one wx-config command to figure that out

16:31 <KathrynM> what was it?

16:31 <Romulus> Somebody said it is an OK movie, KathrynM

16:31 * PovAddict rubs his hands to get them above freezing temperature

16:32 * KathrynM slaps Romulus around with a large magnet

16:32 <PovAddict> since then, I noticed a better way

16:32 <PovAddict> wx-config --list

16:32 <KathrynM> Eric asked me to run wx-config --unicode and see what the output was

16:32 <KathrynM> but there wasn't any

16:32 <PovAddict> on my machine: Default config is gtk2-unicode-release-2.8

16:32 <KathrynM> I swear there was before

16:33 <PovAddict> I had told you to use --unicode=yes --libs (which tells you what libs to use for the unicode version)

16:33 <KathrynM> ah

16:33 <KathrynM> thanks

16:33 <PovAddict> on my machine: --unicode=yes prints nothing, --unicode=no prints an error

16:33 <KathrynM>     Default config is gtk2-unicode-release-static-2.8

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16:45 <zombie67> where is 6.2.16 for OSX?

16:46 <KathrynM> .16 was a windows only fix

16:46 <KathrynM> .15 is stable for mac/linux

16:47 <zombie67> ah.

16:48 <zombie67> still, they should keep the version numbers the same

16:48 <zombie67> release a .16 iven if there is no change

16:48 <KathrynM> you'd think that

16:48 <PovAddict> I don't see the point

16:49 <PovAddict> however, if they do a cross-platform fix, it should be .17 on all (some projects don't keep versions in sync that way for their science apps)

16:49 <zombie67> the reason why, is why we are even having this conversation.

16:49 <KathrynM> now there's an answer for rommie to use when someone types "why"

16:50 <zombie67> people can't tell what versions they should be using

16:50 <KathrynM> errr why?

16:50 <zombie67> and so you get questions

16:50 <PovAddict> yeah, the Win-only fix should have been

16:50 <zombie67> is .16 for OSX just late?  Or is it never happening?  Why are they different?

16:50 <KathrynM> don't add a new number PovAddict that's guarenteed to screw with people's heads

16:51 <PovAddict> .15 OSX and .16 OSX would be identical, no point in releasing it...

16:51 <zombie67> other than preventing a constant stream of questions

16:51 <zombie67> In fact, charlie revently released an OSX version, even though there was no change for OSX

16:52 <KathrynM> I think Charlie is still on vacation.  Maybe he will release a new version.

16:54 <quail> anyone been watching the DebConf8 video streams from argintina

16:54 <PovAddict> debconf?

16:54 * KathrynM goes back to bed. 6 am is too early to be up

16:55 <quail> PovAddict:

16:55 <Romulus> Title: DebConf8/Streams - Wiki (at

16:55 <zombie67> "I have posted BOINC 6.2.11 for the Macintosh to the alpha download

16:55 <zombie67> page. Although most of the changes from 6.2.8 do not apply to the

16:55 <zombie67> Mac, testing this will help us make sure we haven't broken anything

16:55 <zombie67> on the Mac builds.

16:55 <zombie67> "

16:56 <quail> PovAddict:

16:56 <Romulus> Title: DebConf 8 - Main page (at

16:58 <quail> PovAddict: and this another thing that might interest you too >>>

16:58 <Romulus> Title: DebianDay2008 - Debian Wiki (at

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18:13 <PovAddict> I have LHC work!

18:13 * PovAddict pokes zombie67

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18:32 <PovAddict> more spam on boinc user wiki...

18:32 <PovAddict> spam reverted, user blocked

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18:33 <PovAddict> Ctrl-W on wrong window

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19:06 <efc> Hmm, might go drive around and look at land

19:24 <quail> Isaac Hayes has passed away

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20:22 <xcamel> 'lo

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20:26 <quail> g'day Jay

20:27 <xcamel> another nasty round of storms for dinner...

20:28 <Soul_keeper> send them my way

20:28 <KathrynM> we have them predicted for today and tomorrow

20:28 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

20:28 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 73°F / 23°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 1:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:77 F. / 25 C.; Chance of Rain. High:84 F. / 29 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Chance of Rain. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:78 F. / (1 more message)

20:28 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

20:28 <KathrynM> 8 hours out of date

20:28 <KathrynM> why do I even bother?

20:28 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 87.1F / 30.6C | Humidity: 38% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 59 to 64. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 78 to 83 in the western valleys to 88 to 93 near the foothills. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 59 to 64. (1 more message)

20:29 <Soul_keeper> &more

20:29 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.;

20:29 <KathrynM> hi ho hi ho it's off to w*@& I go

20:29 <Soul_keeper> ha

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21:12 <Soul_keeper> funny how i can run my aircon at 60F for over an hour and it's still over 95F in my room

21:13 <Soul_keeper> i guess it don't work ...

21:14 <efc> that was fun

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