IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-08-11

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00:01 <quail> BiteAbleKat: g'day

00:04 <BiteAbleKat> good day

00:04 <BiteAbleKat> how goes it quail

00:09 <quail> tired, I have been up since 0345 hrs this morning. besides that not to bad thanks, and you?

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00:40 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

00:40 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Battle at Kruger (at www.youtube.com)

00:40 <Soul_keeper> amazing

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02:48 <Soul_keeper> good work

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04:05 * efc keeps looking at roombas..

04:07 <Soul_keeper> efc,  go to work for me

04:08 <CoderForLife> morning Roomba Fans

04:08 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:08 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 59.7F / 15.4C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs around 80. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming east after midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds around 5 mph.;

04:09 <efc> moo

04:10 <CoderForLife> moo

04:11 <CoderForLife> my Roombas want me to tell you hello, efc

04:12 <efc> Suuure.. ever read Roomba farm? I mean Animal Farm.

04:12 <CoderForLife> I have 3 Roombas and a Scooba

04:13 <CoderForLife> Huey, Dewey, Louie and Scoobie

04:14 <Soul_keeper> i've got chest pains, wrist pains, and leg pains    does that count ?

04:14 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

04:14 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 65.8F / 18.8C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.38in / 994.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 59 to 64. Winds west 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 78 to 83 in the western valleys to 88 to 93 near the foothills. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows (1 more message)

04:15 <CoderForLife> I count 3 pains, Soul_keeper

04:15 <efc> quite a price differential, $150 to $650

04:15 <Soul_keeper> well i can't sleep either ...

04:16 <efc> I made some 2 AM cookies

04:17 * CoderForLife reads about Marketcetera

04:19 <efc> apparently the 5 series has side brushes that break a lot

04:19 <Soul_keeper> definately wouldn't work in my house

04:19 <CoderForLife> hmm - mine are all Discovery models

04:20 <efc> they help get into corners better

04:21 <Soul_keeper> i keep my clothes on the floor

04:22 <Soul_keeper> it'd probably get stuck somewhere and catch fire

04:22 <efc> I finally got the floor cleaned off enough so they could clean the carpets

04:22 <efc> i need the roomba to motivate me to keep it that way

04:22 <CoderForLife> when I moved in here, I started by making the rooms Roomba-friendly

04:23 <efc> I'd like to loan it to mom but they have a lot of tassle rugs

04:23 <Soul_keeper> if i ever get a job where i'm not a slave i might be able to afford rooms that a roomba friendly

04:24 <CoderForLife> brb  need some breakfast

04:24 <efc> "buy two and save x $$" heh

04:24 <efc> i guess if you have a 7000 sq ft place you need a hole herd of them

04:26 <Soul_keeper> i live in a 360 sq ft appartment

04:27 <efc> You need 1/3 of a Roomba

04:27 <efc> I wonder if you can program them to growl and charge at pets

04:27 <Soul_keeper> if i had a roomba it would only use about a 2' x 8' area,  that's all the floor space i have for walking

04:29 <Soul_keeper> i've worked 2yrs now at my job and have nothing to show for

04:29 <Soul_keeper> put all my money in the stock market, where it promptly became 0

04:30 <efc> ouch

04:30 <efc> all in one stock?

04:30 <Soul_keeper> no several of the highest risk ones

04:30 <Soul_keeper> lost over 12k in 1yr

04:31 <Soul_keeper> i only make like 20k a year

04:31 <efc> yeah you know they say you double your money every 7 years in the stock market on average

04:31 <efc> I'd like to know where this 'average' is available

04:31 <efc> cuz i'm not participating

04:31 <Soul_keeper> well they assume like 8-11% annually based on historic averages of the major indices

04:32 <efc> i've been in it since 2000 and basically flatlined all that time

04:32 <Soul_keeper> i'm starting to think it's just a scam

04:33 <Soul_keeper> basically the brokers, rich people, and banks make their money at the working man's expense

04:33 <efc> I think you pretty much figured it out

04:33 <Soul_keeper> they live off like 1-2% a week   from buying/selling thousands/millions

04:33 <efc> the great return to serfdom

04:34 <Soul_keeper> while the average joes just buy and hold

04:34 <CoderForLife> b

04:34 <Soul_keeper> so they buy low, then it goes up, then they sale their millions, and drive it back down

04:34 <efc> I knew somebody who was going to be a stockbroker in NYC, was supposed to pay like $500k + bonus, but 80 hours a week

04:35 <efc> or maybe it was $200k, I can't remember

04:35 <efc> I think it was 500, was crazy

04:35 <efc> but people can't do it more than a year or two before burning out

04:35 <Soul_keeper> yeah i've heard some crazy stories about the hieghts of the insanity leading up to 2000     brokers were buying bmw's left and right

04:36 <efc> cfl: Do the roombas hold up pretty well?

04:36 <Soul_keeper> just like the housing burst tho, toward the end many of them starting using credit to finance their bets and got burnt

04:37 <CoderForLife> ypu've got to keep up on the maintenance, efc

04:37 <efc> like, i don't want to be buying a $50 brush set every couple months

04:37 <efc> or have to send the thing back twice a year to get fixed

04:37 <CoderForLife> I haven't bought any yet

04:39 <Soul_keeper> i saw a crazy video earlier about a baby water buffallo that got attacked by 5 300lb lions and a 600lb croc  and survived

04:39 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU8DDYz68kM

04:39 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Battle at Kruger (at www.youtube.com)

04:40 <efc> 530 looks like the basic 3rd gen model, $300

04:41 <Soul_keeper> efc,  it's probably like swiffer or other mop companies, they don't make the money sailing you a 20-50 dollar mop, they make the money from the 5 dollar replacement pads you have to buy on a weekly basis

04:41 <efc> yeah we had a Sears lawn mower back in the 80s that broke a $50 belt every month

04:42 <Soul_keeper> same here,   sears lawnmower    replaced the belt twice already

04:42 <Soul_keeper> gotta replace it every year it seems

04:42 <efc> and $50 was worth something back then

04:42 <efc> the awesome thing was

04:42 <efc> somebody stole it

04:42 <Soul_keeper> haha

04:42 <efc> they probably lost more money fixing the belts than they saved stealing the mowers

04:43 <CoderForLife> lol

04:44 <Soul_keeper> we don't get much rain down here, only have to mow the yard like 3 or 4 times a year at most

04:45 <Soul_keeper> all the grass dies in the summer

04:45 <Soul_keeper> it becomes kindling for fires

04:49 <efc> watching a roomba commercial

04:49 <efc> it climbs a pile of dirt and sort of teeters on top for a bit

04:50 <CoderForLife> one of mine climbed a shade cord that I had left laying on the floor

04:51 <efc> did you see the SNL sketch?

04:51 <CoderForLife> me? no

04:51 <efc> for the Woomba

04:52 <CoderForLife> heh

04:52 <efc> the feminine-hygiene cleaning robot

04:52 <Soul_keeper> lol

04:52 <efc> showed it chasing down women in the woods

04:52 <Soul_keeper> i heard wild tigers are attracted to designer perfumes/cologne, they'll smell you from miles away

04:53 <efc> "Woomba - a self-operating electronic feminine hygiene product that knows when women should use it, whether they want to or not, a parody of the Roomba automatic vacuum system."

04:54 <Soul_keeper> lol sounds like hilary's health care plan,  whether you want it or not you'd pay the taxes for it

04:54 <Soul_keeper> ok i'm gonna try to sleep, good night

04:55 <efc> night

04:55 <CoderForLife> plink 218.207.102.77

04:55 <CoderForLife> gn Soul_keeper

04:55 <efc> "Tylenol BM"

04:56 <CoderForLife> a laxative?

04:56 <efc> "Tylenol BM - A laxative product, shown to cause you to defecate in your sleep."

04:59 <efc> "# Old Glory Insurance - a parody of shameless insurance companies. Sam Waterston, in a deadpan performance, touts the advantages of the only life insurance company to provide full coverage against the leading killer of the elderly: robot attacks."

05:12 <KathrynM> evenin' all

05:15 <CoderForLife> hey KathrynM

05:15 <KathrynM> how's life CoderForLife

05:16 <CoderForLife> I'm getting ready to start getting ready

05:16 <KathrynM> so you've already made it through the getting ready to start getting ready to start getting ready?

05:17 <CoderForLife> yeah, that's "breakfast"

05:18 <KathrynM> :)

05:19 * CoderForLife looks at the time lapse pictures for the wall construction

05:19 <CoderForLife> still working - every 5 minutes

05:20 <CoderForLife> right now, they're all totally black frames

05:26 <efc> Nice crew to work in the dark

05:27 <CoderForLife> yeah - they're so stealthy, I don't see them

05:29 <CoderForLife> I guess I'd better start getting ready =)

05:31 <CoderForLife> time for the 3S - bbiab

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05:44 <xcamel> kills >> 66.240.252.26, 68.72.201.3

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06:15 <CoderForLife> tc boinclanders

06:15 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:15 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:35 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:35 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 61.2F / 16.2C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. High around 80. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 60s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of (1 more message)

06:35 <wdsmia> &more

06:35 <Romulus> wdsmia: thunderstorms. High around 80. Southwest wind around 5 mph.;

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07:16 <hawmps> 'lo

07:17 <quail> &wx ypad

07:17 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 8:30 PM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:41 F. / 5 (1 more message)

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07:45 <isAAAc> hi

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07:52 <isAAAc> someone from the alliance francaise around please ?

07:54 <isAAAc> or french user of seti

07:54 <isAAAc> more than 24h i can't upload results

07:57 <KathrynM> upload servers are down

07:57 <KathrynM> you can't do anything

07:58 <isAAAc> oh

07:58 <isAAAc> ok

07:59 <isAAAc> i was asking myself if it was a trouble on mmy computer

07:59 <isAAAc> no e.t.a. for server up ?

08:00 <KathrynM> it's only 5 AM there.

08:00 <KathrynM> THey are aware of the problem (see front page news), but don't expect anything to be done about it for another few hours.

08:01 <isAAAc> ok

08:01 <isAAAc> thx a lot

08:01 <isAAAc> ;)

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08:41 <quail> the movie on channel 10 is funny as copulate

08:41 <quail> and the movie is called 'the 40 year old virgin'

08:49 <hawmps> sick movie..

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09:36 <quail> howdy hawmps

09:50 <hawmps> mornin

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10:31 <zombie67> at least 1/4 of the project sites are down.

10:52 <Tank_Master> ouch

11:02 <hawmps> at least...

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11:16 <zombie67> got some work from Cels 2

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11:18 <hawmps> wow - an astropulse 4.35

11:18 <hawmps> wu, that is...

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12:58 <Didactylos> Is Jord around?

13:03 <zombie67> I don't see him here much

13:03 <zombie67> but he is sometimes on IM

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14:34 <sethy> hello again romulus

14:35 <sethy> how is everyone, long time no see

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14:37 <jackygrahamez> &WX 20001

14:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 79.3F / 26.3C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly clear. Lows in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 5 to (1 more message)

14:37 <jackygrahamez> &more

14:37 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: 10 mph.; Tuesday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 80s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

14:38 <sethy> &weather Leeds,England

14:38 <Romulus> sethy: Temperature: 61.5°F / 16.4°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 29.42in / 996.2hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h | Updated: 7:35 PM BST; Chance of Rain. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:53 F. / 12 C.; Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F. / 11 (1 more message)

14:38 <sethy> ?&more

14:38 <sethy> &more

14:38 <Romulus> sethy: C.;

14:38 <sethy> ..

14:39 <sethy> thanks anyway :)

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16:07 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:10 <RomW> Howdy

16:11 <ELGono> moo

16:12 <ELGono> damn clouds here ;(

16:13 <ELGono> no chance for perseides meteor shower

16:13 <ELGono> took some nice pictures of jupiter yesterday.... think moon ganymed was visible on them

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16:18 <ELGono> rehi x

16:18 <xcamel> wow - that was one hell of a hit...

16:20 <xcamel> and again...

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16:28 <quail> ELGono: g'morning

16:29 <quail> &wx ypad

16:29 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 50°F / 10°C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 5:30 AM CST; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:41 F. / 5 (1 more message)

16:30 <ELGono> moo quail

16:30 <ELGono> brb

16:30 <quail> meep meep

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16:37 <xcamel_> damn that was some strong lightning...

16:38 <xcamel_> friggin explosions

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16:44 <quail> Tank_Master: what have lemmings got to do with the road runner?

16:44 <Tank_Master> they both run?

16:45 * quail thought lemmings dig to china?

16:46 <xcamel_> lemmings go over a cliff and drown

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16:47 <quail> kewl

16:48 * quail happy he only woke up and got out bed at 0530 hours this morning

16:48 * quail got ~5 hours restless sleep last night

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17:03 <PovAddict> OMG HAIL

17:04 <jackygrahamez> hi PovAddict

17:05 * PovAddict looks out the window to see the cars with holes

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17:16 <quail> lmao >>> http://xkcd.com/461/

17:16 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math, and language - By Randall Munroe (at xkcd.com)

17:28 <CoderForLife> hello any and all

17:28 <jackygrahamez> yup

17:29 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:30 <CoderForLife> hello wdsmia

17:31 <CoderForLife> cars with holes, PovAddict?

17:31 <PovAddict> we had some hail a while ago

17:31 <CoderForLife> what size?

17:31 <PovAddict> ah not too big... 1cm or two

17:53 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:56 <quail> CoderForLife: g'morning mate, how are you?

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18:06 <xcamel_> well the war has calmed down a bit..

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18:18 * quail puts a woolen rug over his legs as his knees are playing up and sore cause the cold weather :-(

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18:20 <tricaric> \join #ubuntu

18:20 <PovAddict> wrong slash :)

18:20 <tricaric> yep

18:25 <xcamel_> re-hi

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18:26 <xcamel> sheesh

18:28 <tricaric> does any particular boinc project has his own irc channel?

18:28 <tricaric> (terrible english...)

18:28 <PovAddict> #rieselsieve, which  probably exists since before they went to BOINC

18:29 <zombie67> #tsp

18:30 <tricaric> what about integrating the boinc client to a per-project irc channel, to allow volunteers to chat?

18:30 <Didactylos> tricaric: people *already* think BOINC is malware.

18:32 <tricaric> I was thinking: projects run most of the time smoothly, but sometimes quick interaction can be needed... and the forum can be too slow for that

18:32 <Didactylos> Software that a) downloads and executes code, b) runs the CPU at maximum, c) uses BitTorrent, and d) uses IRC is going to be flagged and blocked by any security software out there.

18:32 <tricaric> just thinking..

18:32 <tricaric> ;)

18:33 <xcamel> been there, done that.

18:33 <Didactylos> irc://irc.mWare.ca/WCG

18:38 <PovAddict> hmmm I wonder...

18:39 <PovAddict> isn't Mac's "switcher" a huge security hole?

18:39 <PovAddict> runs arbitrary commands under boinc_project account

18:42 <Didactylos> How?

18:42 <Romulus> How is breakfast, Didactylos

18:43 <PovAddict> well, depending on what permissions it has, it could mean any user in the machine can run anything under boinc_project user

18:43 <PovAddict> and... if I'm understanding this correctly...

18:44 <PovAddict> due to lack of error checking, if the setuid function fails, it'd run the command as root

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18:44 <PovAddict> (like if boinc_project account doesn't exist)

18:50 <zombie67> ugh...just spent all day (ogg and on) upgrading my XP64 machines to 6.2.16

18:51 <zombie67> off

18:56 <Soul_keeper> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Cryptic-Star-Trek-MMO,news-2297.html

18:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/558jo9> (at www.tomsguide.com)

19:00 <Soul_keeper> hopefully they have a linux installer

19:01 <PovAddict> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/App-Store-Revenue,news-2300.html

19:01 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/57dnou> (at www.tomsguide.com)

19:01 <PovAddict> greedy bastards.

19:04 <Didactylos> People need to keep unlocking them.

19:04 <Didactylos> Or buying openmoko...

19:11 <PovAddict> unlocking \o/

19:11 <Soul_keeper> i need clarification on the "network usage allowed" section of the preferences menu

19:11 <Soul_keeper> it isn't working as i thought it would

19:12 <Soul_keeper> is that local time ?

19:12 <Soul_keeper> or some server's time ?

19:13 <Soul_keeper> 15:30 and 15:55   is what i want,   that's 3:30 to 4:55pm  local time here,  but things don't connect automatically ?    any ideas on the logic used here ?

19:14 <Soul_keeper> correction:  3:33 to 3:55

19:14 <Soul_keeper> i want it to connect every day at the time on all my machines

19:14 <PovAddict> it means it's allowed to use network at those times

19:14 <PovAddict> but I'm not sure if it tries to do as much as it can during the small window you give it

19:14 <zombie67> who's time?

19:14 <Romulus> Somebody said time is on my ophone, zombie67

19:15 <Soul_keeper> is there a way to force connection regardless of whether more work is needed or not ?

19:15 <zombie67> server, local, or UTC?

19:15 <PovAddict> Linux?

19:15 <Romulus> hmm... Linux is case sensitve, Kathryn and kathryn are as different as bob and kathRyn, PovAddict

19:15 <PovAddict> not hard to write a script that updates all projects

19:15 <Soul_keeper> ok i'll just make a script then

19:16 <Soul_keeper> probably easier than typing numbers into a preferences menu anyways ...

19:16 <PovAddict> bash?

19:17 <Soul_keeper> yes that's my weapon of choice, i got it from here

19:17 <Soul_keeper> i'll just have to work up motivation to do anything other than drink tea and smoke tobacco

19:17 <PovAddict> for url in $(./boinccmd --get_project_status | sed -n 's/\s*master URL: //p'); do ./boinccmd --project ${url} update; done

19:18 <PovAddict> hmm without the ./

19:18 <Soul_keeper> looks good, i was just gonna hard code the one project

19:18 <Soul_keeper> the other projects don't matter really

19:18 <PovAddict> do you have BOINC remote access set up?

19:19 <Soul_keeper> yes

19:19 <PovAddict> you could loop over your different machines

19:19 <Soul_keeper> cept for my system that has wireless internet, the isp blocks remote access of any kind it seems

19:19 <PovAddict> for ip in 192.168.0.3 192.168.0.4 (etc); do boinc_cmd --host $ip --passwd mypassword --project http://whatever/project/url/ update; done

19:20 <PovAddict> updates that one project on all your machines

19:20 <Didactylos> Yes, it's local time.

19:21 <Didactylos> Better to give it a window of a couple of hours, if you can.

19:22 <Soul_keeper> servers are hardly ever down

19:22 <Soul_keeper> if they are then it'll just have to wait for the next day

19:22 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: what you really wanted was to force a connection at a certain time, not to block it from connecting the rest of times?

19:22 <Soul_keeper> i chose that window to get the WU's in right before stats update

19:22 <PovAddict> or do you want it to connect *only* during that time?

19:23 <Soul_keeper> "force a connection at a certain time, not to block it from connecting the rest of times?"   correct

19:23 <PovAddict> then use that boinccmd script and *not* any network-limiting prefs

19:23 <PovAddict> :o what a thunder

19:24 <Soul_keeper> btw it takes wcg about 2.5hrs to update their stats

19:24 <Soul_keeper> 3.5hrs   that is

19:25 <PovAddict> I looked at the stats export script...

19:25 <Soul_keeper> good deal

19:25 <PovAddict> it has some stupid stuff that could be made much more efficient, maybe letting projects export at shorter intervals without fearing server load

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19:41 <Didactylos> PovAddict: that's not the reason WCG stats are slow.

19:41 <PovAddict> I know

19:42 <PovAddict> but it's the reason for other projects

19:42 <Didactylos> Soul_keeper: I don't think it takes that long....

19:43 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos, well you are denied access to the stats for a few hours

19:43 <Didactylos> Soul_keeper: it doesn't start until 00:06 UTC. That's 20 minutes away.

19:43 <Soul_keeper> ok maybe 2.5hrs then

19:44 <Didactylos> It used to be an hour. They are a victim of their own success....

19:44 <Soul_keeper> well access to the completed stats are accessable at 7:30pm PST   which is  2hr 50min  away

19:44 <Didactylos> and that crappy UD stuff, of course.

19:45 <Soul_keeper> 7:20-7:30

19:46 <Didactylos> WCG don't use MySQL, so once they have taken out the UD crap, there's a good chance that their stats will be the fastest around.

19:46 <Didactylos> We can hope, anyway :-S

19:47 <PovAddict> they don't?

19:47 <Didactylos> Hello? IBM? They use DB2 or something.

19:47 <PovAddict> hell of a modification to BOINC to make it use something else

19:48 <Didactylos> PovAddict: their entire web interface is Java.

19:48 <PovAddict> backend daemons use mysql C API

19:49 <Didactylos> And they use message queues to coordinate things.

19:49 <PovAddict> that's just the way it should work if BOINC server was made in Java...

19:50 <PovAddict> BOINC daemons "communicate" via the database :S

19:50 <Didactylos> :-o

19:51 <PovAddict> example from validation to assimilation:

19:51 <PovAddict> the validator finishes doing its stuff, and updates the workunit row to mark it as validated

19:52 <PovAddict> the assimilator, every few seconds, queries for workunits with server_state=validated, processes them (marking them as assimilated), and goes back to sleep for a few seconds

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19:52 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:52 <efc> Moo

19:53 <Soul_keeper> lol  "meat-a-terrean"  like a vegetarian

19:53 <PovAddict> Didactylos: and workunit/result state is almost as much of a mess as in the client side (half a dozen fields and it's not clear enough what combinations are even possible)

19:53 <PovAddict> lol Soul_keeper

19:55 <Soul_keeper> new wendy's commercial, not on youtube yet

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20:10 <Didactylos> An instance of the BOINC-wide team 'UserFriendly.Org'

20:10 <Didactylos> has been created on the project:

20:10 <Didactylos> name: EDGeS Local Test Boinc Server

20:10 <Didactylos> URL: http://edges-local-testbnc-srv.ceta-ciemat.es/localtest

20:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/67hmpp> (at edges-local-testbnc-srv.ceta-ciemat.es)

20:11 <Didactylos> Morons.

20:11 <PovAddict> stupid team feature

20:11 <zombie67> I have been unable to sucessfully attach to that project

20:11 <PovAddict> account creation open

20:11 <Didactylos> As I have said many times. Then I signed up for it, and it's almost impossible to undo.

20:12 <PovAddict> server daemons down

20:12 <zombie67> I can create account, but not attach

20:12 <Didactylos> zombie67: looks like a provate project.

20:12 <PovAddict> apparently old server software

20:14 <zombie67> no apps listed

20:15 <zombie67> not even uppercase

20:17 <zombie67> how about some more?

20:17 <Soul_keeper> dating websites like eharmony were created for people to find f@!# buddies

20:17 <PovAddict> there's stuff left I think

20:18 <efc> eharmony is a scam

20:19 <Soul_keeper> i've never been interested in such things

20:20 <Soul_keeper> it's probably like a giant irc room,  but you have to battle each other for a few females' attention

20:20 <efc> you sign up and they say there are no matches

20:20 <efc> after a few days they say they found a match or two

20:20 <Soul_keeper> like staying up all day/night glued to the screen trying to convince some random girl you'd die for her or some spooky stuff

20:20 <efc> then every week or two they find some more

20:21 <Didactylos> Soul_keeper: the WCG stats are still available.

20:21 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos,  yeah yesterday's

20:21 <Didactylos> There is a period at the beginning of the stats run when it can use the database read-only. Looks like that period is taking longer.

20:21 <efc> they do this to make you think new people are signing up and matching to you at a high rate

20:21 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos, ok keep hitting refresh, you'll get to the bottom of this

20:21 <Didactylos> Means the unavailable period id shorter than I thought.

20:22 <efc> reality, they have a ton of dead accounts, not many new ones, and they are giving you those

20:22 <Didactylos> Huh?

20:23 <Didactylos> Oh. Different topic entirely.

20:23 <Soul_keeper> all i remember is sending in completed WUs after 4PM PST (1hr 22min ago) resulted in credit not being granted till the next day

20:23 <Soul_keeper> efc,  you're probably right

20:23 <Didactylos> Soul_keeper: you get credit when the work unit validates, not when you return it, or report it.

20:23 <Soul_keeper> but the ones that "find someone" will likely get tired of them and return to their account after a few months

20:24 <Didactylos> So, I think your cunning plan to optimise reporting is entirely a waste of time :-p

20:24 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos, i'm not optimizing nothing here, and no you don't get credit if you turn it in after they've started

20:24 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos, don't argue with me

20:25 <Didactylos> Yes... credit is awarded to the day that it validates on.

20:25 <Didactylos> So if it validated after midnight UTC, it's going to count to the next day's total.

20:25 <Soul_keeper> Didactylos,  so you're saying if i complete a wu 10 days ago, then turn it in today, they'll go back and edit the charts from 10 days ago ?   highly doubtfull

20:26 <Soul_keeper> you'd lose your races ...

20:26 <Didactylos> When is it validated?

20:26 <Didactylos> A clue: after you report it.

20:27 <Soul_keeper> what do you mean by "validated" ?

20:27 <Soul_keeper> i only know webster definitions

20:27 <Soul_keeper> beyond that you turns into ebonics

20:27 <Didactylos> When the server checks it and changes the status from "Pending validation" to "Valid" or "Invalid".

20:28 <Soul_keeper> it*

20:28 <Didactylos> If you have to wait for a quorum, then it might be hours or days after reporting it before it is validated.

20:28 <Soul_keeper> i don't know or care what you're talking about, i know what i need to know and didn't want to talk with you today

20:29 <Didactylos> Enjoy your ignorance, then.

20:29 * Soul_keeper slaps the noob

20:29 <Soul_keeper> i'm putting you on ignore

20:29 <Didactylos> How long have you been here?

20:29 <Didactylos> And you still don't know basic stuff like this?

20:30 <Soul_keeper> yeah you're just another kid that thinks he knows everything

20:30 <Soul_keeper> i don't want to debate, argue, talk, know you in any way shape or form

20:30 <Didactylos> I'm a little older than that.

20:30 <Soul_keeper> age is irrelevant

20:30 <Didactylos> Now, if this was something I kew nothing about, you would be right.

20:30 <Soul_keeper> you likely never grew up

20:31 <Didactylos> But since I seem to have all the facts straight, maybe I know what I'm talking about?

20:31 <Soul_keeper> you know nothing about anything, infact you don't even know this, and that's your greatest flaw

20:31 <Soul_keeper> the facts are only straight when interpretted by you

20:31 <Soul_keeper> sounds like jibberish to me

20:32 <Didactylos> Ahh, blissful silence.

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20:32 <Didactylos> <£ ignore.

20:32 <Didactylos> <3, even

20:32 <Soul_keeper> :)

20:33 <Soul_keeper> probably better if he ignores me,  that way he won't respond to things i say and think he has something to "teach" me

20:35 <Soul_keeper> damn trolls

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20:37 <xcamel> lol

20:38 <xcamel> the Saul Alinksy school of public discussion - and minimal tact.

20:38 <Soul_keeper> indeed

20:39 <Didactylos> Strange... I was always brought up to be polite to people helping me.

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20:41 <Soul_keeper> you've never helped me, just inconvenienced me with your trollness

20:44 <xcamel> he should read up on old Saul..

20:46 <Didactylos> I have a feeling I'm going to enjoy this channel a whole lot more, now.

20:47 * Tank_Master feels he missed something

20:51 <Soul_keeper> funny how they think because you don't want to talk to them that you don't understand/know what they are talking about :)

20:52 <zombie67> "Never argue with idiots, they bring you down to their level and then beat you with experience..."

20:52 <Soul_keeper> hahaha

20:53 <Tank_Master> lol

20:53 <Tank_Master> nice

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20:54 <Didactylos> zombie67: so true.

20:55 <Didactylos> But I'm always taken aback when people ask for help and then throw it in my face.

20:56 * Soul_keeper loses interest

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20:57 <zombie67> "I've slowly turned from thinking I could educate any of these people and decided I'm better off this way, insulting and belittling them at every possible turn." -- Rollin C. Thomas

21:00 <xcamel> Hint, Ducksauce.. when someone asks you for help with a flat tire, don't remove the engine from their car...

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21:02 <zombie67> "As long as there are two people left in the world, there will be an argument. Period." -- Todd Sabin (summer 1989)  "I don't agree." -- Scott Hill (later that same year)

21:04 <Soul_keeper> unfortunately i make myself an easy target for weak euro-liberal, probably because i can't punch them thru irc

21:04 <Soul_keeper> a swift punch in the mouth usually shuts them up in RL

21:06 <Soul_keeper> or you just make money selling them antidepressants or something

21:09 <Soul_keeper> the liberal school teachers probably brainwashed him into thinking he was the smartest kid alive, and that it was his responsibility to fix the world and teach everyone everything

21:11 <Soul_keeper> so everytime he googles something he feels he deserves a pat on the back

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21:24 <PovAddict> hmm...

21:24 <PovAddict> let's see

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21:27 <PovAddict> a WCG volunteer (was it "community advisor"?) who is now working on a fork of BOINC, vs somebody who ran BOINC for years and doesn't know what "validation" is, yet the second tells the first he knows nothing about anything?

21:27 <PovAddict> this must be the Internet or something

21:31 <zombie67> almost up to USENET standards!

21:31 <PovAddict> <xcamel> Hint, Ducksauce.. when someone asks you for help with a flat tire, don't remove the engine from their car...

21:32 <zombie67> "You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance." -- Edward Flaherty

21:32 <PovAddict> that reminds me of SOMEONE here who starts "helping" by telling the user to uninstall BOINC and install it again using the berkeley's self-extracting archive

21:33 <Didactylos_> Ducksauce. Now I'm hungry for Chinese food.

21:33 <PovAddict> zombie67: lemme guess, a usenet signature :)

21:34 <quail> meep meep

21:36 <zombie67> yep!  ;)

21:44 <quail> :-)

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21:44 <quail> zombie67: hi, how are you?

21:44 <xcamel> 'lo Q

21:45 <quail> xcamel: g'day Jay

21:46 <zombie67> hi quail, just watching some top gear

21:47 <quail> kewl I have been watching some DebConf8 talks

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21:54 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict  validation wasn't even the relevant

21:54 <Soul_keeper> we were talking about when wcg starts updating their stats

21:55 <PovAddict> all projects grant credit only after the WU gets *validated*, not immediately after you report it; so yes it's relevant

21:55 <Soul_keeper> and what's your point ?

21:56 <Soul_keeper> if you don't get them validated before stats start updating then you won't get the credit registered in the stats

21:56 <PovAddict> correct

21:56 <Soul_keeper> i don't care if you call it validating, ass pissing, trolling whatever

21:56 <PovAddict> but getting them validated depends on when *other* users report their work

21:58 <Soul_keeper> so regardless i know what i'm doing and nobody here taught me a damn thing today

21:58 <Soul_keeper> the socializing factor was the idea

21:58 <Soul_keeper> i come here for the good people :)

21:59 <Soul_keeper> ok i idle here ...

21:59 <PovAddict> simplified: each workunit gets sent to two or more users, only when all copies are reported, those users get any credit granted

21:59 <PovAddict> if you're the first to finish, you have to wait for the rest to get credit anyway

21:59 <Soul_keeper> ok here's your chance to teach me something PovAddict  i'm bout to ask a question ....

22:00 <Soul_keeper> ohhh, so wcg uses the method of sending out multi copies of the same wu ?

22:00 <PovAddict> most projects do

22:00 * Soul_keeper pats PovAddict on the back

22:00 <PovAddict> as far as I remember, WCG does

22:00 <zombie67> depends on the subproject.

22:01 <zombie67> WCG has several

22:01 <Soul_keeper> i'll take your word on it, not like it concerns me

22:01 <zombie67> some projects have a quorum of 1, some hhave > 3

22:02 <Soul_keeper> ok

22:03 <zombie67> https://secure.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=21572

22:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/68sogk> (at secure.worldcommunitygrid.org)

22:03 <MTughan> Warning: some language, but rofl... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvHiqqOqu8U

22:03 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Interpretation of Slipknot (at www.youtube.com)

22:03 <zombie67> there are only a handful of projects that have a quorum of 1

22:04 <zombie67> you need a quorum of 1 to get validated at the same time as you return a result

22:04 <PovAddict> if it has no language, means nobody's talking?

22:04 <MTughan> lol... Not quite.

22:05 <PovAddict> misuse of "language" word imho

22:05 <MTughan> He takes hard metal and makes a video of what he thinks are the lyrics to the song. xD

22:06 <Soul_keeper> lol

22:06 <Soul_keeper> yeah they need to learn to speak clearly

22:08 <Soul_keeper> haha

22:08 <MTughan> Been watching those for a while now...

22:10 <MTughan> This is one of the funnier ones: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYKyCsVRXKk

22:10 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Interpretation of As I lay Dying (at www.youtube.com)

22:10 <Soul_keeper> i lost my toenail when i got caught in a slipknot mash pit at ozzfest, some fat emo kid stepped on my foot

22:13 <Soul_keeper> that was like 4yrs ago

22:13 <Soul_keeper> i ended up pushing a bunch of emo's   then some blonde called me her   hero,  and we made out on the grass

22:14 <Soul_keeper> that was right after i had drained my atm on expensive beer and puked, then borrowed more money and had more expensive beer

22:15 <Soul_keeper> ohh yeah memories

22:17 <MTughan> lol

22:19 <Soul_keeper> i had went with 2 other guys,   one got kicked out for getting in a fight with like 7 skin heads, and the other was making out with some young girl  then his wife showed up

22:20 <PovAddict> lol

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