IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-08-12

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01:08 <Soul_keeper> i hate it how when the law goes after illegal, undocumented immigrants the immigrants then claim discrimination or "group targeting"

01:08 <MTughan> zombie67: sr2sieve applications compiled for Mac 32- and 64-bit Intel. No testing yet, but we'll see how they work.

01:09 <MTughan> That means that PG and RS (the latter to a smaller degree) can start crunching with Macs.

01:09 <Soul_keeper> they should be lucky they aren't getting hunt down and shot

01:09 <MTughan> If they work, I should add...

01:10 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Makes sense. I suppose they want the justice system to back them up?

01:10 <Soul_keeper> yup

01:10 <Soul_keeper> in their eye it's apparently discrimination to target those who are breaking the law

01:11 <zombie67> MT!

01:11 <MTughan> I don't suppose drunk drivers get the same privilege? :P

01:11 <zombie67> are they available just by attaching my macs?

01:11 <Soul_keeper> nope, they get dogs sicked on them and beat with billy clubs

01:11 <MTughan> No, I just got them compiled a few minutes ago...

01:12 <zombie67> well, so now what?

01:12 <MTughan> Just letting you know that they'll probably be available fairly soon.

01:12 <zombie67> a

01:12 <zombie67> ah

01:12 <zombie67> okay

01:12 <MTughan> Also, am I able to get some help from you for testing the 64-bit version?

01:12 <MTughan> I can compile it, but not test it.

01:12 <zombie67> sure thing

01:12 <zombie67> oh!

01:12 <zombie67> is the souce available?

01:13 <MTughan> I'm probably going to be able to come on about 4PM tomorrow, so 1PM your time... Anytime after that should work.

01:13 <MTughan> Geoff emailed me a custom source with some inlined code un-inlined.

01:13 <Soul_keeper> the liberal fox news is now saying "white supremisists are now supporting barrack obama"

01:13 <MTughan> WTF?

01:14 <zombie67> I would like to ask a team mate to see if there is any optimization possible with the app, once you have is working

01:15 <MTughan> I doubt any more. This is compiled with ASM methods and -O3.

01:15 <MTughan> Oh no... Crunch3r?

01:15 <zombie67> not that kind of optimization, the kind like alexkan

01:15 <MTughan> Hmm?

01:15 <zombie67> er...maybe

01:16 <zombie67> i really do't understand

01:16 <zombie67> but

01:17 <zombie67> it's the kind of stuff like with the seti opt app

01:17 <MTughan> I'm not familiar with SETI's opts.

01:17 <zombie67> the alexkan mac opt app was about 2x faster than the win opt app

01:18 <MTughan> Is there a description of what was done?

01:18 <zombie67> had something to do with the type of math and the order done

01:18 <zombie67> WAY over my head

01:18 <MTughan> Oh, okay... So really down-low code tweaking.

01:18 <zombie67> yea

01:19 <MTughan> I think I know what he's doing, although I would seriously congratulate him for it if that is it...

01:19 <MTughan> You know how a CPU's speed is measured in clocks?

01:19 <zombie67> so anyway, alexkan shared his methods with the windows/linux guys, and now everyone has a better app

01:19 <zombie67> yes, clocks

01:20 <MTughan> In one clock, a processor can do one 32-bit operation in a 32-bit processor, I believe.

01:20 <MTughan> However, if it's not working with 32-bit numbers there, it can do multiple smaller operations that still fit in 32-bits.

01:20 <zombie67> yeah, HT is a tweak on that

01:21 <MTughan> He's moving the operations around to optimize one CPU clock each time. That requires intimate knowledge of how the CPU clock works for a processor and how the application works.

01:21 <zombie67> yeah.

01:21 <zombie67> exactly!

01:21 <MTughan> Now he could be doing something else much easier, but that's the way I think of.

01:22 <zombie67> his 64 bit optimizations are even better

01:22 <zombie67> anywho, once you get the ap ported, would you mind sharing it?

01:22 <MTughan> Well, think of it this way: You have a 16-bit calculation, then a 32-bit calculation, then another 16-bit in a program. So 16, 32, 16.

01:22 <MTughan> In that order, you require at least three clocks.

01:23 <zombie67> okay, follwing, i think

01:23 <MTughan> However, if you do 16, 16, 32, you can do it in two clocks.

01:23 <MTughan> Because 16+16=32

01:23 <zombie67> right!  reordering things!

01:23 <zombie67> that is how alexkan explained it

01:23 <MTughan> With 64-bit, you have more room. Which is why it can be so much faster.

01:24 <zombie67> then Who? came in and said he could do better

01:24 <zombie67> hasn't happened yet though

01:24 <MTughan> Yeah, well you can always hope...

01:24 <zombie67> but!

01:24 <zombie67> Who? is a major Intel insider

01:24 <MTughan> Using the Intel compiler?

01:25 <zombie67> one of the brains behind the intel compiler, and the SSE4 developers

01:25 <MTughan> SSE4 is only in much newer CPUs right now.

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01:25 <zombie67> yeah...

01:26 <MTughan> All the Intel processors shipped in Macs support SSE3 and SSSE3 though.

01:26 <zombie67> he is one of their major brains

01:26 <MTughan> Which reminds me, I might be able to squeeze a few more opts out of sieve using SSE2...

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01:27 <zombie67> anywho, Crunch3r is famaliar with both alexkan's and Who's methods, and may be able to optomize

01:28 <zombie67> so, back to the original Q, will you share?

01:28 <MTughan> Once I know it's working.

01:28 <zombie67> sweet!  thanks!  either way, I will be there.

01:29 <MTughan> Oh, shoot... Forgot one thing.

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01:29 <MTughan> Right now, it literally is an sr5sieve, not an sr2sieve.

01:30 <zombie67> wow...over my head

01:30 <MTughan> I forgot to change something in a header file. As to the actual differences, I don't know.

01:31 <zombie67> any progress on your MacBOINCmgr?

01:31 <MTughan> No, although I have been helping with Synecdoche.

01:31 <zombie67> what's that?

01:31 <Romulus> or what drives many of the ATA crowd

01:32 <MTughan> #synecdoche

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01:36 <MTughan> Yay, sieve crunching!

01:41 <zombie67> oh?

01:41 <Romulus> Rumor has it oh is it like SocialBorg, zombie67

01:41 <MTughan> p=7392647246942941, 517646 p/sec, 0 factors, 16.5% done, ETA 12 Aug 02:21

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02:06 <efc> Roomba=Cylon:

02:06 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Cylon Roomba (at

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05:36 <Romulus> <> (at

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06:16 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

06:16 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 62°F / 17°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.54in / 1000hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 11mph / 18km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM CEST; Rain. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:68 F. / 20 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:53 F. / 12 (1 more message)

06:17 <ELGono> &more

06:17 <Romulus> ELGono: C.;

06:17 <CoderForLife> si ELGono

06:17 <CoderForLife> do you C

06:18 <CoderForLife> and morning =)

06:18 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.0F / 13.9C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 50s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance (1 more message)

06:18 <CoderForLife> &more

06:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

06:19 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

06:19 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:20 <ELGono> moo don

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07:23 <hawmps> re-hi

07:24 <ELGono> lo J

07:25 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

07:26 <ELGono> you had any chance to see the perseides meteors?

07:26 <ELGono> maximum should be right now

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08:28 <hawmps> nope - too many storms..

08:31 <KathrynM> that was a big boom...

08:37 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:37 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 66.4F / 19.1C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Numerous showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High in the upper 70s. South wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent (1 more message)

08:38 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:38 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: chance of thunderstorms in the evening. Low around 60. Southwest wind around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. High in the lower 80s. North wind 5 to 10 mph.;

08:47 <hawmps> we had more than a few of those "brilliant white positive bolts from hell" last night - right around the house..

09:00 <ELGono> we had some too, but they where hiding in foggy rain

09:26 <hawmps> today is nice so far...

10:42 * quail can upgrade his laptop soon, what should he go for?

10:42 <Tank_Master> bigger hd

10:42 <quail> current laptop =>

10:42 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 |  Dual Genuine Intel(R) CPU           T2050  @ 1.60GHz 800.000 MHz | Bogomips: 6404.44 | Mem: 628/1002M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 72.13G Free: 64.31G | Procs: 120 | Uptime: 7 hrs 47 mins 14 secs | Load: 0.00 0.02 0.00  | Screen: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03) @ 1280x800 (32 bpp) | wlan0: In: 16.96M Out: 3.02M

10:47 <quail> Tank_Master: I was talking about replacement laptop :-P

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10:58 <hawmps> the new 128 core intel 'holyshit' would be a good start

10:58 <wdsmia> asks hawmps to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

10:58 <hawmps> :-)

10:59 <quail> copulating wdsmia scipt :-P

10:59 <quail> script

11:00 <quail> hawmps: I don't have heaps of cash to spend on the new laptop

11:03 <hawmps> get a government grant...

11:04 <quail> wishful thinking

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11:20 <hawmps> I guess you could sell your soul...

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11:33 <quail> nah I think I only gt 1AUD for it :-P

11:33 <quail> get

11:34 <quail> hawmps: how are you anyway bloke?

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12:16 * KathrynM just slammed her finger in the damn door

12:18 <desti> that hurts

12:18 <KathrynM> yeah

12:18 <KathrynM> It's pouring outside

12:19 <KathrynM> my hand slipped as I was shutting the sliding door and my finger ended up between the door and the frame

12:20 <KathrynM> same finger a kid shut in a classroom door last week

12:20 <KathrynM> poor finger :(

12:20 <desti> :-(

12:20 <KathrynM> luckily I don't think it's broken

12:20 <KathrynM> which would really suk as it's my right hand and I'm right handed

12:22 <hawmps> damned tired of about the wettest summer I can remember..

12:23 <quail> KathrynM: you silly girl :-(

12:24 <KathrynM> lol

12:24 <KathrynM> grace is not high on my list of skill

12:24 <KathrynM> *skills

12:24 <quail> ;-)

12:24 <KathrynM> 15 years of dance classes and I can barely walk without tripping over my own two feet

12:26 <quail> oh :-(

12:26 <KathrynM> yeah, can you imagine me without the dance classes?

12:27 <quail> mmm yeah, but, not going to go there :-P

12:27 <KathrynM> lol

12:29 * quail loves his woolen rug that older than him

12:40 <quail> KathrynM: how have yo been?

12:40 <KathrynM> so so

12:41 <quail> yeah I fair to muddlng myself

12:41 <quail> but luckly I have tomorrow off

12:41 <KathrynM> I have Friday off

12:42 <KathrynM> which is a really good thing

12:42 <quail> better than me, but I work weekends too if have too

12:42 <KathrynM> the one perk of being a teacher (except open houses and presentations which are usually on Saturdays)

12:43 * KathrynM yawns

12:43 * KathrynM pads back to bed

12:44 <quail> your lucky I am self employed

12:44 <quail> night night KathrynM

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13:31 <jackygrahamez> hi

13:36 <hawmps> 'lo Jack

13:37 <jackygrahamez> Hi hawmps

13:38 <jackygrahamez> Did you know CERN has a rap group?

13:38 <jackygrahamez>

13:38 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Large Hadron Rap (at

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15:26 <rmarkwhite> &wx 80138

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15:27 <rmarkwhite> &more

15:27 <Romulus> rmarkwhite: clear after midnight. Lows 53 to 59. Chance of thunderstorms 20 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny in the morning...then partly sunny with a 10 percent chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 80s. North winds 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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16:30 <Tank_Master> &wx 97007

16:30 <Tank_Master> &more

16:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

16:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 80.9F / 27.2C | Humidity: 51% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Areas of morning clouds...otherwise partly sunny. Highs 80 to 85. Light wind becoming northwest 5 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 55. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph becoming light after midnight.; (1 more message)

16:30 <Tank_Master> &more

16:30 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Wednesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then mostly sunny. Highs around 85. Light wind becoming north 5 to 15 mph in the afternoon.;

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16:37 <CoderForLife> hrrmph

16:39 <Tank_Master> ?

16:39 * KathrynM yawns

16:41 <CoderForLife> hello Tank_Master KathrynM

16:41 <KathrynM> mornin CoderForLife

16:42 <CoderForLife> how's the divine Ms K this AM?

16:42 <KathrynM> sleep deprived

16:42 <KathrynM> with a sore finger

16:43 <CoderForLife> did one cause the other?

16:43 <Tank_Master> busy night?

16:43 <Tank_Master> lol

16:43 <KathrynM> storms caused both in a way

16:43 <KathrynM> storms kept me up

16:43 <KathrynM> I slammed my finger in the door trying to close it

16:43 * CoderForLife smiles and waits for the explanation

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16:43 <CoderForLife> that even hurt Dermeister

16:44 <KathrynM> rain on my almost dry clothes would not have been a good thing

16:44 <KathrynM> lol

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16:44 <KathrynM> <KathrynM> It's pouring outside

16:44 <KathrynM> <KathrynM> my hand slipped as I was shutting the sliding door and my finger ended up between the door and the frame

16:44 <KathrynM> <KathrynM> same finger a kid shut in a classroom door last week

16:44 <KathrynM> <KathrynM> poor finger :(

16:44 <CoderForLife> it needs to learn to get out of the way of doors

16:45 <KathrynM> lol

16:45 <Tank_Master> so ya cant keep yourself busy while you cant sleep now?

16:45 <CoderForLife> you can only do so much with unruly appendages

16:47 <KathrynM> pretty much

16:47 <KathrynM> set up a crontab for myself last night.  actually got it right on the first try.

16:48 * Tank_Master smiles

16:48 <CoderForLife> attagirl

16:48 <KathrynM> :)

16:51 <CoderForLife> got the final wall plan in the mail today

16:51 <CoderForLife> and my first invoice for $13,000+

16:52 <KathrynM> ouch

16:52 <CoderForLife> the wall plan looks OK - the wall is bigger than quoted - 1440 sq ft versus 1100

16:52 <CoderForLife> same price

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16:52 <KathrynM> that's good

16:52 <CoderForLife> 60 feet long and 24 feet high

16:52 <KathrynM> the great wall of southern ohio

16:53 <CoderForLife> yup - I can just imagine the admission ticket revenues now

16:53 <CoderForLife> 14 feet of it will be out of the ground

16:53 <KathrynM> and in 500 years, the archeologists will love it

16:54 <CoderForLife> maybe I should bury some kind of time capsule for them to find

16:54 <KathrynM> :)

16:54 <KathrynM> lol....  A fix to fix the fix is on the way.

16:58 * CoderForLife is thinking about something chocolate... hmmm

16:59 <CoderForLife> brb

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17:05 * CoderForLife returns with a bowl of double chocolate chip ice cream

17:05 <CoderForLife> yum

17:06 <xcamel> re-hi

17:06 <CoderForLife> wb

17:07 <xcamel> blah..

17:08 <CoderForLife> blah?  wattup?

17:08 <xcamel> mighty sick of this weather...

17:09 <xcamel> and a wirlwind college tour trip tomorrow at oh-dark-thirty

17:09 <CoderForLife> you mean you're sick of your sinuses being sick of this weather?

17:09 <xcamel> mostly

17:09 <CoderForLife> where all you going?

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17:10 <xcamel> 15.5" of rain since june 1

17:10 <Tank_Master> thats a lot

17:10 <xcamel> going to Boone, NC

17:10 <Tank_Master> we for mayby .5" in the past 2 months

17:10 * CoderForLife looks at his hillside and shudders at the thought of 15"

17:10 <xcamel> 24.2" total for the year

17:11 <xcamel> (in my rain bucket)

17:12 <CoderForLife> OK, I give - what college is in Boone, NC?

17:12 <xcamel> inside of my head must be getting moldy

17:12 <xcamel> Appalachian state

17:12 <CoderForLife> ah

17:12 <xcamel> psych/criminal law/

17:12 <CoderForLife> looks like a beautiful place

17:13 <xcamel> hope so..

17:13 <xcamel> probably $$$$$

17:13 <xcamel> and then some..

17:14 <CoderForLife> um $14,594 out of state

17:14 <xcamel> but western NC is a really nice area..

17:14 <CoderForLife> only $19,954 total annually

17:14 <xcamel> could be allot worse I guess..

17:14 <CoderForLife> Stephen thought about going to FullSail

17:15 <CoderForLife> I told him I could buy him a masters at Harvard for less

17:16 <xcamel> FullSail ?

17:16 <CoderForLife>

17:16 <Romulus> Title: Full Sail University: Film, Art, Design, Music & Media Production (at

17:17 <xcamel> oh..

17:17 <xcamel> never heard of it..

17:17 <CoderForLife> pretty well-known in media circles

17:17 <xcamel> I guess I need to get out from under my rock more..

17:18 <CoderForLife> bachelors of science in game development = $69,775

17:18 <xcamel> sounds like Julliard...

17:18 <CoderForLife> same but different focus

17:19 <xcamel> that's why they call it a "BS"

17:19 <MTughan> Hmm, zombie67 ain't here... Anyone else got a 64-bit Mac that can help test a sieve application?

17:19 * CoderForLife shakes his head

17:19 <xcamel> not today...

17:20 <xcamel> hmmm... dinner

17:20 <CoderForLife> that BS doesn't include room and board

17:21 <MTughan> 300K? ...

17:21 <CoderForLife> or the required mac

17:21 <MTughan> Damn it! "This stats table is being updated. Please try again later "

17:21 <MTughan> I was at 299,017 yesterday...

17:26 <CoderForLife> I'm going to slither away and do some w@#% homew@#%

17:26 <CoderForLife> cya folks later

17:28 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:35 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:35 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:36 <xcamel> seti stuck again?

17:36 <wdsmia> probably

17:36 <desti>

17:36 <Romulus> <> (at

17:42 <xcamel> -800K bbl

17:42 <xcamel> biggest drop in like 26 years

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18:56 <xcamel> grrr...

18:57 <Tank_Master> ?

19:03 <infinisoft> These Lattice WUs are a lot longer then i remember them to be

19:05 <PovAddict> lattice used to be short yeah

19:07 <PovAddict> LHC has no graphics on Linux?

19:07 <PovAddict> ah nevermind - no graphics at all work here

19:10 <xcamel> daughter is hammering my network downloading "a movie"

19:10 <xcamel> friggin 1 second lag now

19:43 <xcamel> &ping

19:43 <Romulus> pong

19:43 <xcamel> wow...

19:43 <MTughan> 1s lag? That's not bad.

19:46 <xcamel> to you..

19:46 <xcamel> I'm used to 120ms

19:46 <PovAddict> 227ms here

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20:07 * xcamel groans about having to get up at 3:00 am

20:10 <PovAddict> silly o'clock?

20:20 <xcamel> oh-dark-thirty - and then some

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20:21 <MTughan> w00t! 300,027!

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20:25 <xcamel> of what?

20:28 <Soul_keeper> who else here has an interest in watercooling ?

20:30 <MTughan> xcamel: BOINC credits.

20:34 <efc> moo

20:35 <MTughan> 'lo e

20:36 <xcamel> need a good laugh?

20:36 <xcamel>

20:36 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:38 <xcamel> just another dead bigfoot... move along....

20:40 <efc> I never saw one running around the woods up there

20:43 <efc> which i don't get to do nearly enough anymore

20:50 <xcamel> BF in the backyard...

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22:18 <efc> mm, good burger, ground sirloin. but i'm really hungry.

23:04 <Soul_keeper> good work

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