IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-09-11

01:22 * efc looks for some more sheet music to buy

01:25 <Soul_keeper> k

01:29 <Tank_Master> hf

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04:39 <CoderForLife> morning

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04:43 <fishsponge> does anyone know what graphing software does BOINCstats uses?

04:43 <CoderForLife> hmm

04:48 <CoderForLife> dunno

04:48 <CoderForLife> btw wb fishsponge

04:56 <CoderForLife> I'm thinking it's JPGraph http://www.aditus.nu/jpgraph/

04:57 <Romulus> Title: JpGraph - PHP Graph Creating Library (at www.aditus.nu)

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06:22 <hawmps> 'mornin

06:25 <CoderForLife> hey hawmps

06:30 * hawmps yawns

06:30 <CoderForLife> it's early

06:31 <CoderForLife> big day today - naturally one of the neighbors has parked a car on the driveway against my specific request

06:31 <hawmps> tow truck time..

06:32 <CoderForLife> I thought first we'd have a dump truck *squeeze* by

06:33 <CoderForLife> >scrape<

06:35 <CoderForLife> Ike is looking bad

06:35 <CoderForLife> and I don't need the rain

06:43 <hawmps> keeping an eye on it...

06:44 <CoderForLife> was just watching the O'Reilly Obama interview - I can barely get through one segment

06:46 <hawmps> no comment

06:48 <hawmps> http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112008/business/carlos_trying_times_128574.htm

06:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/62t3cd> (at www.nypost.com)

06:55 <CoderForLife> hmm

06:55 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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08:51 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

08:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 55.0F / 12.8C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming light south winds this afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms. Lows in the upper 60s. (1 more message)

08:52 <CoderForLife> &more

08:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: South winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Friday - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Humid with highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.;

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09:18 <quail> interesting >>> http://blog.scopeport.org/nix/lhc-kde/

09:18 <Romulus> Title: Notes on ScopePort Blog Archive The LHC is using KDE - Notes on ScopePort (at blog.scopeport.org)

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09:35 <CoderForLife> they're putting down a base layer of geogrid and crushed limestone

09:37 <CoderForLife> http://cellutions.com/current.jpg

09:38 <CoderForLife> they are a rowdy bunch

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10:10 <hawmps> way cool

10:10 <CoderForLife> the workers?

10:11 <hawmps> lhc, but yeah, the diggers too..

10:11 <CoderForLife> heh

10:12 <CoderForLife> they've changed from diggers to builders =)

10:12 <PovAdct_w> BOINC Workshop in progress right now

10:12 <CoderForLife> wazzat?

10:12 <CoderForLife> and _o/ PovAdct_w

10:13 <PovAdct_w> CoderForLife: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WorkShop08

10:13 <Romulus> Title: WorkShop08 - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

10:13 <CoderForLife> looking

10:13 <CoderForLife> interesting

10:14 <PovAdct_w> live stream currently off but there are videos of the talks here http://129.88.100.74/BOINC/

10:14 <Romulus> Title: Index of /BOINC (at 129.88.100.74)

10:14 <CoderForLife> bookmarking

10:15 <CoderForLife> I have a very interesting show outside my window

10:15 <PovAdct_w> I bet...

10:16 <CoderForLife> that's why I couldn't go into w@#% today - too distracted

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11:13 <hawmps> pit full of hectors and joses

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11:32 <PovAdct_w> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/b-sig.png

11:32 <PovAdct_w> my home computer is crunching LHC!

11:33 <PovAdct_w> all work seems to be gone

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11:37 <CoderForLife> and a few other names besides - 16 guys onsite

11:38 <CoderForLife> you can see the block going in on the web cam

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11:39 <CoderForLife> rain in Illinois

11:40 <CoderForLife> yeah PovAdct_w  -  I'm doing some LHC ATM

11:41 <CoderForLife> 6 WUs

11:42 <PovAdct_w> I rushed to attach the computer at w$%&

11:43 <CoderForLife> absolutely

11:43 <PovAdct_w> too late

11:43 <CoderForLife> aw

11:43 <PovAdct_w> lhcathome.cern.ch/lhcathome/server_status.php

11:43 <PovAdct_w> lol the validator can't cope with all the work

11:46 <CoderForLife> heh

11:46 <PovAdct_w> it said 20k results ready to validate

11:46 <Tank_Master> they need an overhaul worse than seti

11:46 <PovAdct_w> loosk like it caught up

11:46 <PovAdct_w> looks*

11:46 <CoderForLife> just one server doing it all?

11:46 <PovAdct_w> probably

11:48 <CoderForLife> seems that there's a chunnel fire

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12:00 <Tank_Master> bummer

12:01 * PovAdct_w hammers the LHC server

12:03 <Tank_Master> get it working better yet?

12:04 <PovAdct_w> "hammer" as in "click update repeatedly until I get WUs"

12:04 <hawmps> dosen't work...

12:04 <Tank_Master> there arent any to hand out

12:04 <PovAdct_w> I *have* seen work ready to send in the server status page

12:04 * DerMeister got two LHC WUs...

12:04 <PovAdct_w> work is being returned right now

12:04 <PovAdct_w> if it's failed work, a resend will go out immediately

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12:09 <PovAdct_w> refreshing server_status repeatedly, I just saw 12 WUs ready to send, then 20, then back to 0

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12:25 * CoderForLife turns off his LHC WU superconducting magnet

12:27 <CoderForLife> 10 skids of 40 blocks each sitting out on the street

12:28 <CoderForLife> walking out to take a picture

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12:35 <PovAdct_w> ok sysadmins...

12:35 <PovAdct_w> we have a firewall; old linux machine running ipcop

12:35 <PovAdct_w> is there any way to see traffic stats for each machine in the network? maybe installing some other tool?

12:36 <PovAdct_w> like, if the network seems loaded, figuring out what computer in the network is causing the traffic

12:36 <PovAdct_w> I'm downloading at 2KB/s, but ipcop total graphs show the network almost fully loaded :/

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12:44 <CoderForLife> PovAdct_w: MRTG may help  http://oss.oetiker.ch/mrtg/

12:44 <Romulus> Title: MRTG - Tobi Oetiker's MRTG - The Multi Router Traffic Grapher (at oss.oetiker.ch)

12:45 <PovAdct_w> ipcop draws graphs quite similar to that, maybe the same

12:45 <CoderForLife> we've used MRTG at w@#%

12:45 <CoderForLife> I don't know anything about ipcop

12:46 <PovAdct_w> anyway

12:46 <CoderForLife> anyway you can

12:46 <PovAdct_w> the firewall has two network cards, for in and out (obviously)

12:46 <CoderForLife> duh

12:47 <PovAdct_w> the 'in' network card gets traffic from all the machines in the network (also duh, can't have one network card per computer)

12:47 <PovAdct_w> would MRTG show the total traffic from that network card, or can it split depending on source IP?

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12:50 <CoderForLife> "Router interfaces can be identified by IP address, description and ethernet address in addition to the normal interface number."

12:54 <PovAdct_w> shows "how much traffic has passed through each interface", but I want to know how much traffic came from each computer into the interface

12:57 <desti> you have a router/nat after the fw?

12:59 <PovAdct_w> probably

13:02 <desti> so the firewall sees only one ip and one mac adress

13:02 <PovAdct_w> oh misunderstood 'after' then...

13:02 <PovAdct_w> no, the firewall definitely is seeing the local IPs of machines here

13:03 <Didactylos> I use m0n0wall.

13:03 <PovAdct_w> well, I doubt changing the firewall software is an option right now :) I was just interested in seeing per-machine traffic stats

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13:17 * CoderForLife waves

13:18 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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13:51 <PovAdct_w> hey K

13:51 <KathrynM> I just wanted to let everyone know I made it home

13:51 <KathrynM> hiya pov

13:51 <PovAdct_w> you survived the flight :)

13:51 <KathrynM> yeah

13:51 <KathrynM> gotta go shopping

13:51 <KathrynM> and take grandma to get her hair done

13:51 <PovAdct_w> BOINC workshop going on right now

13:51 <KathrynM> no regular inet until I'm back in Korea

13:51 <KathrynM> :)

13:52 <KathrynM> no black holes from lhc

13:52 <PovAdct_w> nope

13:52 <KathrynM> see everyone in about a week

13:52 <KathrynM> laters

13:52 <PovAdct_w> black hole is in October when they actually make a particle collision

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13:53 <saenger> there's a web-cam @lhc: http://www.lhc-live.com/

13:53 <Romulus> Title: Large Hadron Collider - LHC Livecam - (at www.lhc-live.com)

13:54 <PovAdct_w> I saw that, but... damn, they have their own domain name now? :P

14:02 <hawmps> that webcam joke is great...

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14:16 <Tank_Master> KM!

14:16 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

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14:45 <hawmps> http://dot.kde.org/1221087118/

14:45 <Romulus> Title: KDE Congratulates CERN's Large Hadron Collider (at dot.kde.org)

14:49 <PovAdct_w> http://i38.tinypic.com/2q37yh5.jpg

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14:56 <CoderForLife> my wall builder friends can't seem to get off their butts

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14:57 <CoderForLife> bonjour benje

14:59 <CoderForLife> must have been an unfortunate accident with the PVC glue

14:59 <Tank_Master> he get high off it?

14:59 <CoderForLife> the whole group must have

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15:04 <benje> hi CoderForLife how are you ?

15:04 <benje> hello to all

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15:04 <CoderForLife> OK - I'm at home, watching some workers build a wall for me

15:05 <CoderForLife> http://www.cellutions.com/current.jpg

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15:08 <Tank_Master> gee, quick d/l speed

15:09 <Tank_Master> thats one deep pit they are in

15:09 <CoderForLife> yep

15:09 <CoderForLife> speed problems?

15:10 <hawmps> seemed a bit slow..

15:10 <CoderForLife> hmm

15:11 <Tank_Master> one bit at a time

15:19 <CoderForLife> huh?

15:21 * CoderForLife runs the speed test

15:22 <benje> CoderForLife, are you making a diving pool ? :)

15:22 <CoderForLife> I am trying to keep the house from falling down the hill

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15:23 <benje> that's not the same thing :/

15:23 <CoderForLife> you're right - upload speed is 117 kb/s =(

15:23 <MTughan> Hehe... 9200/8500 down/up kb/s.

15:23 <CoderForLife> download speed is 3734 kb /s =(

15:24 <CoderForLife> it's broken

15:24 <CoderForLife> 1401 ms ping

15:24 <CoderForLife> broke

15:25 <Ageless93> just today changed my internet subscription at essentially the same provider (they just changed name) from 8-12Mbit to 20Mbit, as the package I had in mind was a downgrade to only 8Mbit and would cost me extra...

15:25 <CoderForLife> wonder if it's the construction?? =(

15:25 <Ageless93> upgrade is free. weird

15:26 <CoderForLife> I'll simplify the home page a bit

15:26 <Ageless93> so, looking in at what you all think I should go download once the connection is changed. No porn please, got enough of that.

15:31 <CoderForLife> upload now down to 58kbps

15:33 <CoderForLife> my fastest speeds are 14178 bp/s down, 737 up with 44 ms ping

15:34 <CoderForLife> er both kbps

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15:57 <CoderForLife> I'm guessing that my construction guys have screwed up my cable connection

15:58 <CoderForLife> I am at about 1/4 speed

15:59 <CoderForLife> I'll have to wait until later to reboot everything and see if that has any effect

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16:04 <CoderForLife> Stephen is doing a large download, soaking up the bandwidth

16:05 <CoderForLife> I retested, and ping time was 18ms, 11290 kbps down and 723 kbps up

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16:22 <xcamel> lol

16:25 <CoderForLife> we've taken 5,786 pics with the web cam - copying them off before the pic counter rolls over and we start overwriting names

16:29 <xcamel> is that the .mov ?

16:40 <quail> morning all

16:40 <xcamel> 'lo Q

16:40 <quail> ay Jay, how are you?

16:41 <xcamel> fairy nuff.

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16:43 <quail> cool

16:43 <xcamel> that too.

16:45 <CoderForLife> we are making an avi on the fly, but it also includes darkness

16:46 <CoderForLife> we'll create a new one that just contains daylight hours

16:46 <quail> CoderForLife: you going to make a time laps avi of the job

16:47 <CoderForLife> that's their 5 ton track hoe in the hole currently

16:47 <CoderForLife> yes quail

16:47 <quail> :-)

16:48 <CoderForLife> I've been taking photos today as well - need Stephen to get them off his camera when he gets home

16:48 <CoderForLife> and rain is getting closer

16:49 <CoderForLife> they guys have some high power lights, they are planning to work after dark

16:49 <quail> CoderForLife: yeah you not want a new swimming pool in the backyard

16:49 <CoderForLife> water is not my friend

16:49 <xcamel> looks like that rain is getting pretty spotty...

16:49 <quail> when is it due to be finished?

16:50 <CoderForLife> I thought they were going to use sand, but they are continuing with crushed stone

16:50 <CoderForLife> they thought 2 to 1/2 weeks

16:50 <CoderForLife> to 2-1/2*

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16:51 <CoderForLife> this is the seventh day of activity

16:51 <xcamel> question... no drains running from your 'pit' out to daylight on the hill?

16:51 <quail> CoderForLife: I are you going to buy them a carton beer if they finish early?

16:52 <CoderForLife> I made no such commitments, but I've thought about such things

16:52 <xcamel> cause you are going to end up with one hell of a pool if they don't

16:52 <CoderForLife> once the wall is done, then the patio gets laid down

16:53 <xcamel> and it **will** explode out into the ravine..

16:53 <CoderForLife> a pool such as this - absolutely

16:53 <CoderForLife> this is meant to drain water like a fiend

16:53 <xcamel> to where?

16:54 <CoderForLife> down the hill, to the creek

16:54 <xcamel> from the bottom of the pit?

16:54 <CoderForLife> yes

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16:54 <xcamel> where are the pipes?

16:54 <CoderForLife> the orange line marks the location of the drain pipe

16:55 <xcamel> in already?

16:55 <PovAddict> I give up with apple store

16:55 <CoderForLife> they will need to trench through the slope, and then surface pipe to the creek

16:55 <PovAddict> time to boot back to Linux

16:55 <CoderForLife> the pipe through the wall is - it just dead ends againt the dirt wall ATM

16:55 <CoderForLife> hb PovAddict

16:56 <xcamel> ok... not the way I would have done it.

16:56 <xcamel> doesn't mean it isn't going to work though

16:56 <CoderForLife> it should work, I just need to deal with the "output"

16:57 <CoderForLife> I see two lengths of Sch 40 PVC laying on top of the bank - probably no tlong enough to come out downhill

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16:58 <CoderForLife> not long*

16:58 <quail> prob not

16:58 <xcamel> woo-hoo!

16:59 <xcamel> http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

16:59 <Romulus> Title: RealClearPolitics - Opinion, News, Analysis, Videos and Polls (at www.realclearpolitics.com)

16:59 <CoderForLife> looking

16:59 <xcamel> MI just went "up 2" for Mac

17:00 <CoderForLife> my bandwidth is "fully utilized" atm

17:01 <CoderForLife> I was reading the electoral college picture on RCP today

17:02 <xcamel> i/3 of texas is now moving north...

17:02 <CoderForLife> dang

17:02 <xcamel> er 1/3 even...

17:02 <CoderForLife> sqrt(-3)

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17:06 <CoderForLife> wb PovAddict

17:06 * CoderForLife suspends polititalk

17:07 * xcamel turns it back on..

17:08 * quail turns off

17:08 <CoderForLife> lol

17:08 * xcamel sends a packet bomb to quail

17:09 <CoderForLife> that poor little switch doesn't stand a chance with such punishment

17:09 <PovAddict> quail: that's not how power works

17:09 * quail reports xcamel to ASIO :-P

17:09 <PovAddict> quail: if three people want it off and one wants it on, but he's the channel op, guess who gets it his way

17:10 <CoderForLife> for he is root

17:10 <quail> PovAddict: I don't give, cause it still does not stop me from turning off and going and doing something else

17:11 <PovAddict> sure :)

17:11 <quail> :-)

17:12 * quail little grumpy I have been up since 0330 hours this morning :-/

17:12 <xcamel> sounds like "panties in a bunch"

17:14 <quail> xcamel: when you woke up from a cold swet of a nightmare I had you'll not beable to get back to sleep

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17:17 <CoderForLife> I had my usual tornado nightmare last night

17:18 <CoderForLife> anytime I am stressed or feel threatened

17:18 <quail> mine was about ET's that were not very friendly

17:21 <CoderForLife> were they hiding in a tornado? o_O

17:24 <wdsmia_> re-hi

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17:24 <CoderForLife> track hoe just lost it's track

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17:33 <xcamel> uh-oh

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17:33 <xcamel> rubber tracks?

17:38 <PovAddict> there is clearly some stupid overhead in the way BOINC contacts projects

17:38 <xcamel> A motorist was unknowingly caught in an automated speed trap that; measured his speed using radar and photographed his car. He later received in the mail a ticket for $40 and a photo of his car. Instead of payment, he sent the police department a photograph of $40.

17:38 <PovAddict> lol

17:38 <xcamel> Several days later, he received a letter from the police that contained another picture, this time of hand cuffs. He immediately mailed in his $40.

17:39 <PovAddict> he got the idea :)

17:40 <xcamel> A pair of Michigan robbers entered a record shop nervously waving revolvers.

17:40 <xcamel> The first one shouted, 'Nobody move!' When his partner moved, the startled first bandit shot him.

17:40 <xcamel> darwin award...

17:41 <PovAddict> I was told that as a joke years ago...

17:41 <xcamel> you're not that old.

17:41 <PovAddict> and?

17:41 <Romulus> hmm... and is with no internet for like a month, PovAddict

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17:45 <PovAddict> I'm running a local BOINC server and it takes the client a whole 8 seconds between pressing Update and saying "scheduler request completed"

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17:47 <xcamel> trying to get LHC?

17:47 <PovAddict> nope, just trying to lower that latency

17:48 <PovAddict> it doesn't make any sense that it takes 8 seconds to get work from a BOINC project running in 127.0.0.1

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17:48 <PovAddict> but... speak of the devil... LHC work just arrived

17:48 <Didactylos> 8 seconds?

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17:49 <Didactylos> Do we have any timing code?

17:49 <PovAddict> Didactylos: measured by counting the clicks my desktop clock does; don't take that as an accurate measure :)

17:50 <Didactylos> It would be useful to work out where the bottlenecks are, before tweaking anything.

17:50 <PovAddict> I think it's because many places poll every second

17:50 <PovAddict> instead of blocking to wait for data

17:50 <Didactylos> On the client?

17:51 <PovAddict> there is a huge function called every second that checks a bunch of things

17:51 <Didactylos> Yes, but that's to update the manager.

17:51 <PovAddict> reads stuff from the science apps' shared memory, checks if it needs to run the CPU scheduler

17:52 <Didactylos> Oh, that one.

17:52 <PovAddict> maybe reads the reply from the HTTP scheduler request; I'm trying to figure that one out

17:52 <PovAddict> I think it blocks waiting for network data, but one the reply comes, it sets a flag saying "we have the reply"

17:52 <Didactylos> It's like dissecting an onion.

17:53 <Didactylos> Layer after layer, and it makes you want to cry.

17:53 <PovAddict> and the reply is parsed and used in that huge polling function, which runs one second later

17:53 <PovAddict> lol

17:53 <PovAddict> great analogy

17:53 <PovAddict> vim

17:53 <PovAddict> wrong window

17:54 * PovAddict slaps Katapult

17:54 <Didactylos> Least it wasn't sudo

17:54 <PovAddict> indeed

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17:54 <Didactylos> Not that *I've* ever done that.

17:54 <Didactylos> *Looks innocent*

17:54 <PovAddict> I press alt-space and katapult pops up

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17:54 <PovAddict> in some cases (no idea why), it closes as soon as I type one letter

17:55 <PovAddict> so I typed 'gvim', with the g it closed and vim ended in the chat window

17:57 <PovAddict> polling every second introduces overhead in other places...

17:57 <PovAddict> there is a different test case for testing that:

17:57 <PovAddict> BOINC project giving out WUs that run for one second

17:57 <PovAddict> make a big queue of them

17:57 <PovAddict> then run them, and see how much time the CPU is actually in use...

17:58 <PovAddict> (might take *two* seconds between one WU finishing and BOINC starting the next)

17:58 <Didactylos> Or, watch as your computer chokes up and dies.

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17:59 <Didactylos> IFAIK, BOINC does NOT handle small work units well.

17:59 <Didactylos> s/IF/AF/

17:59 <PovAddict> what it doesn't handle well at all is *too many* workunits in queue

18:00 <Didactylos> The two are correlated.

18:00 <PovAddict> yeah; small WUs means it will get more of them

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18:00 <PovAddict> heh I remember HashClash having serious problems with that server-side

18:01 <PovAddict> when a client reported hundreds of workunits at once, the scheduler took so much time to process that the client got a request timeout before it was finished

18:01 <PovAddict> later it retried reporting the same hundreds *again* (since it never got acks saying they were reported successfully)

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18:17 <CoderForLife> track hoe fixed - they're making progress again

18:18 <xcamel> them ho's can be tough..

18:21 <CoderForLife> it ran off it's track - they got it back on, after the mechanic arrived

18:23 <xcamel> operator had no clue, eh?

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18:28 <CoderForLife> he was buried track deep in crushed rock - I guess it wedged the track off

18:28 <CoderForLife> it = the rock

18:28 <CoderForLife> I guess there's some sort of "keepers" designed to hold the track on

18:29 <xcamel> all you need is a 1/2" wrench, and a gresse gun.

18:30 <xcamel> er a grease gun even.

18:30 <CoderForLife> the mechanic arrived carrying a toolbox and a grease gun

18:30 <xcamel> lol

18:31 <CoderForLife> I can only report what I think I see =)

18:42 <CoderForLife> contractor president just handed me an invoice for the 2nd draw

18:43 <CoderForLife> was payable upon "substantial completion of excavation" - I am in agreement

18:44 <CoderForLife> he said they are going to work as late as they can tonight

18:44 <xcamel> don't ya just love that...

18:46 <CoderForLife> he had originally indicated that while we wrote 4 draws into the contract, that he would only ask for the first draw, and then the balance at the end

18:47 <CoderForLife> seems his ranking of this as a 9.75 on a scale of 10, and his expense rate caused him to stick to the contract

18:47 <CoderForLife> in other news, my sister goes home tomorrow =)

18:48 <xcamel> is that a good thing? (seriously)

18:48 <PovAddict> she was at hospital IIRC

18:48 <CoderForLife> she has transitioned to oral pain medication and can get herself out of bed, into a chair and to the bathroom

18:48 <xcamel> then it's big progress.

18:48 <xcamel> good for her..

18:49 <CoderForLife> she's been in the hospital 5 times (4 different hospitals) and 2 nursing homes

18:49 <xcamel> wow

18:49 <CoderForLife> she hasn't been home since last November

18:50 <CoderForLife> she also was transported to 2 additional hospitals and clinics for tests

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19:02 <xcamel> hmmm.. Gas gouging ahead of 'ike' already..

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19:21 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:21 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 57.5F / 14.2C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds around 5 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with showers likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

19:22 <xcamel> &more

19:22 <Romulus> xcamel: rain 70 percent.; Friday Night - Showers likely. Not as cool with lows in the lower 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

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19:27 <xcamel> one more nice day..

19:43 <CoderForLife> back

19:44 <MTughan> What happened to your sister in the first place?

19:46 <xcamel> lol - you have a "black hole" now...

19:47 <CoderForLife> re-back

19:47 <CoderForLife> she had a massive internal infection that she left untreated, Michael

19:47 <MTughan> Oh, okay...

19:47 <CoderForLife> nearly cost her her legs, and her life

19:48 <CoderForLife> she's exceeded the lifetime max of $1M in insurable expenses

19:48 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I bet you were worried about her but thinking "told you so" at the same time? IIRC she refused to go to the doctor for a while

19:49 <CoderForLife> that's right - got sick in July, was hauled to the hospital in late November

19:49 <MTughan> 5 months?!

19:50 <CoderForLife> family called 911 when they couldn't wake her up

19:50 <PovAddict> MTughan: that's what made the infection "massive"...

19:50 <CoderForLife> yeah "untreated"

19:50 <MTughan> Was she worried about the medical expenses or something?

19:51 <CoderForLife> she was afraid her husand would divorce her if she ever became sick

19:51 <CoderForLife> husband*

19:51 <PovAddict> "I don't need no doctors!!1" ?

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19:51 <MTughan> Oh wow... Well, that's her mindset.

19:51 <MTughan> 'lo e

19:51 <efc> moo

19:51 <MTughan> CFL's sister is going home tomorrow.

19:52 <CoderForLife> pretty much was the case - he walked out of the hospital saying "well how could you become sick with the kids having the needs they have.  I give you 6 months to live."

19:52 <CoderForLife> "Don't expect me to come here every day"

19:52 <PovAddict> "how could you become sick"?? as if going sick was a concious decision

19:53 <CoderForLife> In his mind(?), it is

19:53 <PovAddict> some people...

19:53 <CoderForLife> he's pretty much a lunatic

19:54 <MTughan> Maybe it's for the better then.

19:54 <PovAddict> better if they divorce?

19:54 <MTughan> If he's a lunatic, sure.

19:55 <PovAddict> I mean your sentence could be misinterpreted in a number of ways :)

19:55 <MTughan> Eh.

19:58 <CoderForLife> um - that's not what she wants - it's been offered

19:59 <CoderForLife> she'd be left destitute for one thing

19:59 <efc> Maybe CFL could arrange an accident

19:59 <CoderForLife> the guys are still at it using floodlights

20:00 <efc> Cheney needs a new hunting partner

20:00 <CoderForLife> you're assuming that death would yield a financial benefit, efc

20:00 <CoderForLife> I'm not sure he has insurance

20:01 <CoderForLife> "the better to control you with, me dear"

20:01 <CoderForLife> er "my* dear"

20:01 <MTughan> lol

20:01 <efc> Are his organs any good? 50k for a kidney

20:01 <efc> people are worth way more parted out

20:01 <CoderForLife> lol

20:02 <CoderForLife> I'm not intimate with the state of his organs

20:02 <CoderForLife> web cam shows disembodied spirits in the darkness

20:03 <CoderForLife> http://www.cellutions.com/

20:03 <Romulus> Title: www.cellutions.com (at www.cellutions.com)

20:03 <efc> they were supposed to move that cemetary! Not build a wall over it!

20:03 <CoderForLife> go to the light

20:03 <CoderForLife> don't go to the light

20:05 * efc heads toward the light.. HONK HONK

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20:06 <CoderForLife> lol

20:06 <PovAddict> o.0

20:06 <xcamel> that's the second train.... oh ... wait....

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20:17 * quail is back for abit

20:18 <CoderForLife> you came back for a mobo?

20:20 <xcamel> :-/

20:21 <quail> yeah, just done couple hours work before going off to do the shopping

20:27 <CoderForLife> abit... motherboards...  http://www.abit.com.tw/

20:27 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to Universal ABIT Co., Ltd. - Get ready for the Next Generation (at www.abit.com.tw)

20:28 <CoderForLife> hi-larious

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20:42 <xcamel> Chunnel closed due to fire ??

20:45 <Darr> brakes on a car catch fire?

20:46 <xcamel> overheated brakes on a truck being carried by one of the freight trains

20:47 <xcamel> http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Channel-Tunnel-Fire-Rail-Services-Suspended-Thousands-Of-Passengers-Hit/Video/200809215097768?lpos=video_1&lid=VIDEO_15097768_Channel%2BTunnel%2BFire%2BRail%2BServices%2BSuspended%252C%2BThousands%2BOf%2BPassengers%2BHit

20:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3mazpj> (at news.sky.com)

20:49 <xcamel> that's the video feed

20:56 <Darr> Jay, do you know anything about Window's WMI Control?

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21:00 <xcamel> nothing at all. sorry.

21:00 <xcamel> something not working?

21:01 <Darr> it fails to initialize all required classes and the RPC server is unavailable

21:04 <Darr> did a repair install of windows, but it didn't fix it, so looks like I'm going to have do a full re-install

21:05 <xcamel> yikes - exactly why I hate winduhs.

21:05 <Soul_keeper> :)

21:05 <PovAddict> I just showed a friend the LHC "live" webcam and he thought for a second it was real

21:06 <xcamel> anuttr sukah...

21:15 <CoderForLife> these guys are machines

21:15 <CoderForLife> of course, I did add some Bud Light to thei fuel tanks

21:22 <xcamel> fuel allways helps..

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21:55 <xcamel> laterz, all..

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22:05 <docteh> hey is there a web app that'll show me the status of multiple boinc clients at one time?

22:05 <PovAddict> why web? :P

22:05 <PovAddict> anyway, I use this as my forum signature -> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/b-sig.php

22:07 <CoderForLife> back

22:12 <PovAddict> http://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/

22:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/629pkw> (at webaim.org)

22:17 <infinisoft> yes there is

22:18 <infinisoft> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/addons.php

22:18 <Romulus> Title: BOINC add-on software (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:18 <infinisoft> Look under web applications

22:20 <docteh> thx

22:21 <infinisoft> by the way, Pov

22:21 <infinisoft> Do you know of any aggregate host stats xml or some way to decay rac from client xml stats

22:22 <PovAddict> you can decay it in the same way the BOINC server does

22:22 <PovAddict> in fact some stats sites already do it

22:22 <infinisoft> Wait

22:22 <infinisoft> but there's no time value in the client_State.xml,.

22:22 <PovAddict> ah probably

22:23 <infinisoft> And I can't find an aggregate host stats xml

22:23 <PovAddict> in that case you need to query the project server

22:23 <PovAddict> aggregate in what way?

22:23 <PovAddict> multiple projects?

22:23 <infinisoft> Trac mentions that combined boinc stats should have a host dump but it doesn't exist

22:24 <PovAddict> hosts across projects are identified using a CPID

22:24 <PovAddict> that CPID usually splits much worse than the user CPID, so don't even think about it being a reliable identifier

22:25 <PovAddict> better to get the stats individually from each project

22:26 <infinisoft> Hmm.

22:27 <infinisoft> Ok, but http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/StatsXml mentions get_host.php and get_host_tot.php but neither of these exist

22:27 <Romulus> Title: StatsXml - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

22:28 <PovAddict> http://boinc.netsoft-online.com/get_host.php <- yes it does

22:28 <PovAddict> it's in *that website*, not in every project

22:28 * quail is back from shopping

22:28 <infinisoft> Then there's not supposed to be /rpc/ in it O_O

22:28 * quail also has subway and iced coffee for lunch

22:29 <infinisoft> That works; but Trac still points to a 404 address, I assume it just wasn't made yet or was cancel.

22:29 <PovAddict> infinisoft: fixed

22:30 <infinisoft> Then I get this error actually using that page: Error performing query: Table 'boincstats.hosts_totals_tot' doesn't exist

22:30 <PovAddict> then it's broken :)

22:31 <infinisoft> I guess that leaves me with no choice :P

22:38 * CoderForLife stays up while the wall guys work into the night

22:39 * CoderForLife waits for the knock at the door by the police due to neighbor complaint

22:42 <wdsmia> dark out there

22:42 <docteh> they're in the walls

22:47 <infinisoft> I still have to make that boinc monitor script thingie.

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23:05 <PovAddict> infinisoft: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/GuiRpcProtocol

23:05 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4t97hv> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

23:05 <PovAddict> infinisoft: you should help with that documentation if you can :)

23:09 <infinisoft> Got an AMD logo showing up on my host stats :p  http://infinisoft.ath.cx/boinc/hosts_sig.png

23:12 <infinisoft> I just know about <get_state/>

23:17 <infinisoft> I generally have to hunt around BOINC svn browser to find things on an as-needed basis :P

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