IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-09-14

00:14 <zombie67> net split?

00:14 <PovAddict> doesn't seem to be

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00:15 <PovAddict> that's just them two with connection problems

00:15 <zombie67> you're up late!

00:15 <zombie67> oh

00:15 <PovAddict> I am up late

00:16 <BadBarbarian> sorry Zman OCing my quad

00:16 <zombie67> do you know when DA will release the client that will allow PS3GRID to run their GPU client as non-CPU?

00:16 <BadBarbarian> no overclocking my q6600

00:17 <PovAddict> I dunno

00:17 <BadBarbarian> lots of reboots involved

00:17 <zombie67> nic BB

00:17 <zombie67> nice

00:17 <PovAddict> there has been *zero* discussion of GPU-related development in mailing lists

00:17 <PovAddict> and then DA whines when somebody contributes a patch without previous discussion ._.

00:17 <zombie67> sounds familiar

00:18 <zombie67> when a project needs something, no support, so they end up having to develop the tools themselves

00:18 <PovAddict> I mean, DA has been actively working on GPU support on the client

00:18 <PovAddict> but no discussion about it

00:18 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/ticket/715#comment:7

00:18 <zombie67> I bought a top of the line cuda card, and the creds are Sweeeeet

00:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6yqlud> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

00:19 <PovAddict> same for Charlie Fenton working on the multithreaded RPCs on the manager...

00:20 <PovAddict> I just keep seeing more and more (mostly bad) code being added... I have the feeling that there is *too* much private (off-list) communication going on between DA, Rom, and Charlie

00:22 <zombie67> Hah!  Freakin' hilarious!

00:23 <PovAddict> yeah all the comments on that ticket got interesting :)

00:23 <zombie67> is BOINC open source?

00:23 <zombie67> shouldn't all development be...er...open?

00:24 <PovAddict> strictly, open source just means the code is available

00:24 <zombie67> I mean, where are the project goals, milestones, schedules, tasks, owners...along with the progress against each?

00:25 <PovAddict> in the Trac tickets

00:25 <PovAddict> when they remember to

00:25 <PovAddict> and want to

00:25 <zombie67> tickets are not a roadmap or project plan

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00:26 <PovAddict> they are, since tickets can have a milestone and the Roadmap page in Trac tells you how many tickets for each milestone are still open

00:26 <PovAddict> however

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00:26 <PovAddict> lots of stuff (GPU support, multithreaded RPCs) is never discussed, or put into a ticket

00:26 <PovAddict> or in the descriptive text for Milestones

00:26 <PovAddict> so they have a good tool (Trac) they aren't using

00:27 <zombie67> what a load of crap

00:27 <zombie67> project management is completely missing, aparrently.

00:27 <PovAddict> what specific problems would you like to see fixed? :)

00:27 <zombie67> with the current release?  Selecting multiple tasks, and acting on them

00:28 <PovAddict> huh, 6.2 doesn't have multiple task selection?

00:28 <zombie67> worse than not having them at all

00:28 <zombie67> sure it does, but it's broken

00:29 <zombie67> also multiple project selection doesn't work right either

00:30 <zombie67> task problems:

00:31 <zombie67> 1)  Select 20 tasks, and abort, then have to click okay/cancel 20 times

00:31 <PovAddict> fixed in synecdoche; next?

00:31 <zombie67> 2)  The tasks selected actually *change* going through the 20 pop-ups.

00:32 <zombie67> you can be clicking "okay" on tasks you never originally selected

00:32 <zombie67> as aborted tasks get reported, the selected tasks change

00:34 <Didactylos> Charlie fixed that, IIRC.

00:34 <Didactylos> In trunk, anyway.

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00:54 <bigt0242000> hi

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01:01 <Soul_keeper> k

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01:27 <efc> moo

01:33 <Soul_keeper> efc, i'm proud of your excellent room attitude !

01:34 <efc> Yay yay yay! Now, what are you talking about

01:39 <efc> anothe night of looking at stuff i won't end up buying

01:41 <Soul_keeper> yeah don't do that

01:41 <Soul_keeper> it's not good for the mental health

01:41 * Soul_keeper is installing a gpl crossplatform game

01:48 <infinisoft> Almost done updating the new prime stats pages. yay.

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02:14 <shirish> hi guys, I'm having a peculiar problem

02:15 <shirish> I want to have the file ca-bundle.crt and the one which my distro has doesn't work.

02:16 <shirish> anybody up?

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02:34 <Tank_Master> http://englishrussia.com/?p=1830

02:34 <Romulus> Title: English Russia Darvaz: The Door to Hell (at englishrussia.com)

02:34 <Tank_Master> no, I aint up

02:35 <Soul_keeper> Wesnoth v1.4.5   that was fun

02:49 <shirish> I want to have the file ca-bundle.crt and the one which my distro has doesn't work.

02:53 <shirish> Tank_Master: Soul_keeper: guys https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/246205

02:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6esfgz> (at bugs.launchpad.net)

02:53 <Tank_Master> what?

02:54 <shirish> Tank_Master: can you look that bug I gave b4 and tell me what to do

02:54 <shirish> I want the ca-bundle.crt file and the one which I have doesn't work

02:54 <Tank_Master> I know next to nothing about linux

02:54 <Soul_keeper> yeah i don't use that distro ...

02:54 <MTughan> shirish: For what?

02:54 <shirish> Tank_Master: ah ok

02:54 <Tank_Master> I prefer serevr 2008

02:54 <MTughan> Windows b*stard...

02:55 <Tank_Master> what?

02:55 <Soul_keeper> i just keep my old ca-bundle.crt and move it to new installs over the last 2yrs

02:55 <Soul_keeper> slackware here

02:55 <shirish> MTughan: I get this error "Peer certificate cannot be authenticated with known CA certificates."

02:55 <Tank_Master> I install it and it *gasp!* reconises all of my hardware out of the box!

02:55 <Tank_Master> never seen a linux install do that

02:55 <MTughan> If I knew more about the server side of BOINC I might be able to help you...

02:55 <shirish> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/Error/Scheduler%20request%20failed

02:55 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5kh7tk> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

02:55 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Yeah, it's called HAL.

02:56 <MTughan> Ah, I know why... shirish: That file shouldn't be needed unless you need an SSL connection from the client to the server.

02:56 <shirish> Tank_Master: its a driver issue what you are talking about but things are changing and for the beter

02:57 * Soul_keeper goes to sleep

02:57 <Tank_Master> bout frikin time

02:57 <shirish> MTughan: I'm member of WCG and it needs that

02:57 <Soul_keeper> yeah i don't think i'm needed here :)

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02:57 <Tank_Master> linux has only been around for what? 15 years?

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02:58 <MTughan> Oh, it's the client that needs it...

02:58 <MTughan> Does the file here not help? http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/trunk/boinc/curl/ca-bundle.crt?format=raw

02:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5tlxcu> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

02:58 <shirish> Tank_Master: correct, but it comes from the Unix heritage which is another 10-15 years old.

02:58 <shirish> MTughan: that file is over 2 years old. There should be a newer version

02:59 <MTughan> Does it matter if it works?

02:59 <shirish> MTughan: look at this comment https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/boinc/+bug/246205/comments/3

02:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/553afr> (at bugs.edge.launchpad.net)

03:00 <shirish> MTughan: it says many of the keys are expiring in the year 2008.

03:00 <MTughan> So I read... Let me see what my installation has.

03:00 <shirish> MTughan: thanx

03:01 <MTughan> All right. My ca-bundle.crt was last modified on January 15, 2007. I can communicate with WCG fine.

03:02 <shirish> MTughan: can you put up your ca-bundle.crt so I can use it

03:02 <shirish> somewhere on rapidshare or some other server.

03:02 <MTughan> One sec, let me compare the one BOINC has to mine.

03:03 <shirish> MTughan: sure

03:03 <MTughan> Yeah, they are different... Well, maybe mine will work. Should be platform independent (I'm on Mac).

03:04 <shirish> MTughan: it should, at worst it wouldn't

03:04 <MTughan> Yep. Give it a sec to upload...

03:04 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/ca-bundle.crt

03:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5mrn8c> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

03:06 <shirish> MTughan: yes, they are different, the md5sum are different

03:06 <MTughan> That's what I used, yeah.

03:06 <shirish> MTughan: now how do I symlink it

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03:06 <MTughan> ln -s <actual path> <link path>

03:07 <MTughan> So can I delete it off the online server then?

03:08 <shirish> MTughan: definitely

03:08 <MTughan> Thanks.

03:09 <MTughan> I'll need to go to bed in a couple minutes... past 3AM here.

03:10 <shirish> MTughan: where is ca-bundle.crt in your system?

03:10 <MTughan> Won't help you, but /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data.

03:13 <shirish> MTughan: found it, its in /var/lib/boinc-client/ but its symlinked file

03:13 <shirish> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root  root      34 2008-07-20 08:23 ca-bundle.crt -> /etc/ssl/certs/ca-certificates.crt

03:13 <MTughan> Uh, I wouldn't touch that...

03:13 <MTughan> Just replace the symlink with the actual file for now.

03:17 <shirish> ok did that, let's say what happens now

03:18 <MTughan> Try and finish this quickly. I'd like to help you, but it is getting late.

03:20 <shirish> MTughan: I did it, I tried running boincmgr but didn't get anywhere

03:20 <shirish> MTughan: even running boinc, I get some very strange results

03:21 <shirish> MTughan: look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/46806/

03:21 <Romulus> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)

03:23 <MTughan> "14-Sep-2008 12:48:53 [---] This computer is not attached to any projects"

03:23 <MTughan> Or are you trying to connect to WCG?

03:24 <shirish> I'm trying to connect to WCG, lemme try again, this time with boincmgr

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03:25 <Tank_Master> gn ye all

03:25 <Tank_Master> n gl ;)

03:25 <MTughan> Bye TM.

03:25 <Tank_Master> buy MT

03:25 <Tank_Master> :P

03:25 <MTughan> You want to buy me? How much?!

03:26 <Tank_Master> ill give you your 2c worth

03:26 <MTughan> I'd need more than $0.02... :P

03:26 <MTughan> Night.

03:26 <Tank_Master> tc

03:26 <shirish> MTughan: I get this when I try to do the same with boincmgr http://paste.ubuntu.com/46807/

03:26 <Romulus> Title: Ubuntu Pastebin (at paste.ubuntu.com)

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03:27 <MTughan> That's not a problem with the certificate. The manager can't load the core client...

03:27 <MTughan> Not sure what error 13 is.

03:27 <MTughan> &boincerr 13

03:27 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find 13 in boincerr.

03:27 <MTughan> Neither does Rommie...

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03:28 <shirish> MTughan: right, that's understood, although why I have no idea.

03:28 <shirish> MTughan: b4 it didn't give that error.

03:29 <MTughan> Try starting boinc as you were before, but with the --redirectio --launched_by_manager flags.

03:29 <MTughan> As in the error message.

03:29 <MTughan> Unless the "Connection refused" is the error... Do you still have that process from before running?

03:30 <shirish> MTughan: what do you mean process from before?

03:30 <MTughan> You had posted what happened when you did "boinc" in your home directory, where I had pointed out that you weren't attached to any projects.

03:32 <shirish> MTughan: right, I killed it Then started the new one all over again using boincmgr

03:32 <MTughan> Is there any other BOINC process running? Try

03:32 <MTughan> Damn Enter... "ps aux | grep boinc"

03:33 <shirish> MTughan: result

03:33 <shirish> shirish   3982  3.5  3.0  51416 19620 pts/4    S+   13:02   0:01 boincmgr --verbose

03:33 <shirish> shirish   4022  0.0  0.1   3236   788 pts/5    S+   13:03   0:00 grep boinc

03:33 <shirish> so doesn't seem any other process is there.

03:33 <MTughan> Indeed...

03:34 <shirish> also the flag which it gave --redirectio doesn't work

03:34 <MTughan> "boinc --redirectio" doesn't work?

03:34 <shirish> MTughan: nope :(

03:35 <MTughan> Is there anything in stderrdae.txt?

03:36 <shirish> MTughan: nothing :(

03:36 <MTughan> How about stdoutdae.txt or stderrgui.txt? If there's nothing, something's definitely wrong...

03:37 <shirish> stdoutdae.txt is there, it has stuff but that's from a week ago.

03:37 <MTughan> And stderrgui.txt?

03:37 <shirish> MTughan: nope, nothing of that sort.

03:38 <MTughan> Well... Sorry, without more time (and less fatigue), I can't help you right now. Give me a couple hours and I should be fine. Of course, someone else who could help you will probably drop in by that point... But you get the idea.

03:38 <shirish> MTughan: perhaps I should uninstall it and call the one from the boinc site.

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03:38 <shirish> MTughan: Of course, understand that fully.

03:39 <MTughan> Thanks...

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04:54 <_Danilo_> hi all

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05:44 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 74.3F / 23.5C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then showers developing with a chance of thunderstorms this afternoon. Windy with highs in the upper 80s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph...increasing to 25 to 35 mph with gusts up to (2 more messages)

05:44 <CoderForLife> &more

05:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 45 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers after midnight. Windy with lows in the lower 60s. West winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts up to 45 mph...diminishing to 10 to 15 mph after midnight. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 70. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wind (1 more message)

05:48 <CoderForLife> &more

05:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 9:00 PM EDT on September 14, 2008;

05:49 <CoderForLife> wind advisory

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07:58 <CoderForLife> bbl

08:10 <xcamel> 'lo

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08:41 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap080914.html

08:41 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 September 14 - The Heart and Soul Nebulas (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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09:12 <xcamel> 'lo ElG

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09:31 <xcamel> mighty quiet this morning...

10:06 <CoderForLife> back from store

10:06 <CoderForLife> plink 200.141.223.99 -- multiple web server 400 error codes from same source ip

10:07 <CoderForLife> very nice APOD, xcamel

10:08 <CoderForLife> Illinois is feeling under the weather this morning

10:08 <CoderForLife> and yesterday

10:08 <xcamel> plunked

10:18 <xcamel> humid like a steambath here..

10:18 <CoderForLife> yeah same

10:18 <xcamel> &wx 12074

10:18 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 69.4F / 20.8C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.76in / 1007.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Showers this morning...then a chance of showers and thunderstorms this afternoon. Highs in the mid 80s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Humid with lows in the lower (1 more message)

10:19 <xcamel> &more

10:19 <Romulus> xcamel: 70s. South winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph after midnight.; Monday - Partly sunny. A chance of showers in the morning. Breezy with highs in the upper 70s. Southwest winds around 25 mph... becoming west 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

10:19 <xcamel> ick.

10:19 <CoderForLife> we have a wind advisory until 9pm

10:19 <CoderForLife> hope my trees stand up

10:19 <xcamel> I bet - that will head here too... really moving now.

10:20 <CoderForLife> yeah, I was amazed at the Ike track timeline

10:21 <xcamel> "New DNC Secret Weapon: Pagans for Obama"

10:21 <xcamel> no link

10:21 <CoderForLife> woot

10:21 <CoderForLife> and that differs - how?

10:22 <xcamel> exactly...

10:22 <CoderForLife> I'm reading about OODA on wikipedia

10:25 <CoderForLife> interesting "getting inside your opponents OODA loop"

10:25 <xcamel> hmmm..

10:26 <xcamel> http://www.valuebasedmanagement.net/methods_boyd_ooda_loop.html

10:26 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/lvlym> (at www.valuebasedmanagement.net)

10:26 <CoderForLife> lol  pentagram here too

10:30 * xcamel needs to see if I can get the bulldozer running..

10:31 <CoderForLife> got 2 bobcats in the front yard if you need one

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12:25 <nickuwo> mmm... crysis

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14:41 <Tank_Master> mmm... crysis

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15:42 <efc> moo

15:43 <BadBarbarian> Moo Too

15:52 * Tank_Master slaps efc with a choloate cow.

15:52 <BadBarbarian> http://myfoxhoustonlive.com/

15:52 <Romulus> Title: Track Hurricane Ike | Hurricane Ike Webcams & Chat | myFOXhoustonLIVE.com (at myfoxhoustonlive.com)

15:53 <efc> Does Texas still exist?

15:53 <BadBarbarian> yes kind of

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16:17 <xcamel> re-hi

16:17 <efc> moo X

16:17 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

16:23 <xcamel> ip kill >> 211.94.209.17

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16:32 <ergZay> im trying to use remote control setting in boinc to control another computer on my home network

16:32 <ergZay> both are running mac os x

16:33 <ergZay> i have a password set in the passwords file and also my local ip address which im connecting from in the list of allowed ip address (is that even needed on a LAN?)

16:33 <PovAddict> yes it's needed on a LAN too

16:33 <ergZay> but when i try and connect to the ip of the computer im connecting to it just sits there

16:33 <PovAddict> if remote_hosts.cfg is empty or  doesn't exist, only localhost connections are allowed

16:33 <PovAddict> did you restart BOINC after adding/changing those files?

16:34 <ergZay> yes multiple times, i havent restarted the computer but i quit the manager and reopened it

16:34 <PovAddict> if it just sits there instead of giving an error, I'd suspect there is a firewall causing problems

16:34 <ergZay> does the manager on the machine im connecting to have to be off?

16:34 <PovAddict> no, you can have dozens of managers (on the same machine or not) connected to the same client

16:35 <PovAddict> with no problems other than speed :)

16:35 <ergZay> i think it may be the firewall actually

16:35 <ergZay> what port does it connect by default?

16:35 <PovAddict> 31416

16:35 <PovAddict> Pi

16:36 <ergZay> ah nice

16:37 <ergZay> yay it works

16:37 <ergZay> thx

16:37 <ergZay> for some reason that didnt occur to me

16:37 <PovAddict> used to be 1043 (even registered in IANA as such), but some people had problems with some stupid Windows service opening that port number

16:37 <ergZay> i think it was because i had gotten used to this new laptop's new firewall schme which is completely different from mac os x 10.3 firewall setup scheme

16:37 <ergZay> 10.5 uses applicaiton selection while 10.3 uses port selection

16:37 <PovAddict> the client wouldn't even start because the port was in use by another program (the stupid Windows service)

16:37 <ergZay> atleast in the guis

16:38 <ergZay> its generally advised to use above port what is it

16:38 <PovAddict> above 1024

16:39 <ergZay> ah so it was

16:39 <PovAddict> that's why Windows is Doing It Wrong

16:39 <ergZay> yea

16:39 <ergZay> well whats different

16:39 <ergZay> windows is windows

16:39 <ergZay> always will be

16:39 <PovAddict> :)

16:39 <ergZay> its why the smart ppl use linux

16:39 <ergZay> or mac os x

16:39 <docteh> :o

16:39 <PovAddict> BOINC developers got 1043 as an official port assignment from IANA

16:39 <ergZay> which is almost linux

16:39 <ergZay> but with pretty gui

16:39 <docteh> <3 vista

16:39 <PovAddict> eww

16:39 * ergZay kills docteh

16:39 <ergZay> vista = worst windows ever created

16:40 <PovAddict> ergZay: you haven't used Windows ME then

16:40 <ergZay> tied with maybe windows original

16:40 <ergZay> ME is just a better 98 isnt it?

16:40 <efc> Apparently, their only error was not calling it Windows Barcelona or whatever that other name was

16:40 <efc> according to their commercial

16:40 <docteh> ME was worse than 98se

16:40 <ergZay> o rly?

16:40 <ergZay> i never used ME yea

16:41 <ergZay> ive used 3.1 95, 98, a little NT, 2000, and xp

16:41 <PovAddict> all of 95/98/ME was crap anyway :)

16:41 <ergZay> and used vista at a friend's house

16:41 <DerMeister> vista is quite nice, actually

16:41 <PovAddict> NT kernel is WAY better than Win95

16:41 <docteh> with the UAC on or off ergZay?

16:41 <ergZay> UAC?

16:41 <Romulus> Rumor has it UAC is the most hateful thing in Vista - if Vista wasn't so annoyingly diffferent and unstable, it would be reason enough to steer clear, ergZay

16:41 <PovAddict> see, even the bot knows it

16:42 <DerMeister> ^^

16:42 <docteh> noob

16:42 <ergZay> my family had avoided windows as much as possible since i was young

16:42 <PovAddict> ergZay: lucky you

16:42 <ergZay> i grew up on macs, heck my father bought his first mac in 1986 or so 2 years after it came out

16:42 <docteh> whats this have to do with vista sucking?

16:43 <docteh> that just proves that you're biased against windows

16:43 <ergZay> i love everything about macs except for two major gripes, 1. price of computers, 2. apple not updating their open source stuff fast enough

16:43 <PovAddict> I have an heterogeneous network

16:43 <ergZay> windows i dont like much about

16:44 <ergZay> linux i use as well

16:44 <PovAddict> my machine running Linux (Kubuntu), my sister's machine running WinXP, and my dad's PowerBook running OS X Tiger

16:44 <ergZay> but not as a home computer

16:44 <docteh> I just like playing games on windows

16:44 <ergZay> macs play windows games fine now

16:44 <PovAddict> that made for some fun setting up a network printer :)

16:44 <ergZay> use get crossover

16:44 <ergZay> just*

16:44 * PovAddict doesn't play many games

16:45 <ergZay> but i dont want to think bout games right now

16:45 <PovAddict> and when I do, they're the kind of games you could find Flash-based on a website, or that already have an open source clone

16:45 <ergZay> every time ive thought about games over the last few days my head keeps bringing up my reocuring nightmare

16:45 <ergZay> spore

16:45 <docteh> haw

16:45 <ergZay> the game i waited with baited breath for 4 long years

16:45 <PovAddict> not the current GPU-eating Windows-only games

16:45 <ergZay> for them to release the largest piece of crap game that ive ever seen made

16:46 <ergZay> the Alpha of spore they showed in 2005 was a better game than the one they released here in late 2008

16:46 <ergZay> marketing branches....

16:46 * ergZay shoots EA marketing repeatedly

16:47 <ergZay> anyway enough ranting

16:47 <PovAddict> yeah stay on-topic

16:47 <ergZay> btw the topic says Romulus is & but it doesnt seem to be

16:47 <PovAddict> rant about waiting long months for BOINC 6.x for them to release a large piece of crap :)

16:48 <PovAddict> ergZay: he is

16:48 <PovAddict> &ping

16:48 <Romulus> pong

16:48 <docteh> chatrooms that stay 100% on topic aren't interesting

16:48 <PovAddict> docteh: chatrooms that stay 70% off-topic talking about US politics aren't interesting either

16:48 <PovAddict> *cough*

16:49 <ergZay> im debating on switching to useing an online manager and running boinc as a daemon on all my  machines

16:49 <ergZay> is the online manager nice?

16:49 <docteh> well we're not in #debian

16:49 <docteh> so i dont see a problem about US politics

16:49 <PovAddict> ergZay: online manager?

16:49 <ergZay> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Account_managers

16:49 <Romulus> Title: Account managers - BOINC (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

16:49 <ergZay> those

16:49 <PovAddict> those just let you attach and detach projects

16:50 <ergZay> no direct control?

16:50 <PovAddict> and take at least an hour to take effect

16:50 <ergZay> ah

16:50 <PovAddict> (when the client contacts the account manager)

16:50 <ergZay> so no one really uses them?

16:50 <PovAddict> lots of people do

16:50 <ergZay> what do you guys use for managing multiple boinc computers?

16:50 <PovAddict> account managers are better when you have dozens of computers you can't easily access

16:51 <ergZay> i was just wondering for using it to control my two computers at home while im on campus

16:51 <PovAddict> that could work yeah

16:52 <ergZay> also trying to find a nice balance for cpu usage point for my mac computers

16:52 <PovAddict> laptops?

16:52 <ergZay> as one of them is a laptop turned desktop that i no longer use as ive got this new MBP

16:52 <ergZay> i dont get why apple cant make cool laptops

16:53 <ergZay> ive heard about maybe its the missapplication of cpu grease

16:53 <ergZay> heat sync grease*

16:53 <ergZay> but really

16:53 <ergZay> this MBP of mine

16:53 <ergZay> is runnning at 80C

16:53 <ergZay> around

16:53 <docteh> C?

16:53 <Romulus> I guess C is for Cookie :), docteh

16:54 <ergZay> celcius

16:54 <ergZay> celsius*

16:54 <docteh> i thought that stuff was rated for 70 celcius tho

16:54 <ergZay> well thats my graphics card

16:54 <ergZay> which is at 78C atm while running boinc

16:54 <ergZay> when i game it hits 82C

16:55 <ergZay> the CPU A temperature diode is at 76C

16:55 <ergZay> and there are three "main heatsink" temperature sensors which im not sure where they are located

16:56 <ergZay> anyway it runs hot

16:56 <ergZay> when im at home i use a piece of cardboard the size of the laptop bottom that i use underneath it to separate my lap from it

16:56 <BadBarbarian> my q6600 is oced to 3 gig and running 60c crunching

16:57 <ergZay> thats a desktop isnt it though?

16:57 <ergZay> dont know what a q6600 is

16:57 <BadBarbarian> yes i have a fan cooler for my lappy

16:57 <BadBarbarian> 2.4 gig intel quad

16:57 <ergZay> xeon?

16:58 <BadBarbarian> of cold plate if you want to call it

16:58 <BadBarbarian> no

16:58 <ergZay> this laptop has intel core 2 duo 2.5

16:58 <BadBarbarian> let me get you a lonk to my lappy cooler

16:58 <BadBarbarian> link

16:58 <ergZay> you overlocked your laptop though?

16:59 <ergZay> hardware or software?

16:59 <ergZay> i haven't seen many laptops getting overclocked

17:01 <BadBarbarian> yes theres an xp software that lets you oc a lappy

17:03 <BadBarbarian> trying to remember the name of the file lol

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17:22 <nickuwo> trying to follow the directions on http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/CompileApp#Linuxx86 but I'm getting a undefined reference to ~__gxx_personality_v0' error when I try to 'make' after creating the symbolic link.... any ideas?

17:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/68uq8j> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

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17:32 <nickuwo> nm

17:33 <nickuwo> dammit

17:33 <nickuwo> ]still doesnt work

17:35 <ergZay> out of curiosity, what is the method used to decide if you get new work units

17:35 <ergZay> as i have a TON of work units on this fast laptop

17:35 <ergZay> for SETI

17:35 <ergZay> but seti isnt giving any to my slow old 1.2 GHz ibook g4 laptop

17:36 <nickuwo> in code, or just in general?

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17:37 <ergZay> either

17:37 <ergZay> was asking anyone

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17:38 <nickuwo> I believe it's a combination of what boinc had determined your system can handle based upon the benchmarks it runs, and your settings

17:42 <DerMeister> ... and some more factors like the duration correction factor...

17:42 <DerMeister> and host efficiency and uptime...

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18:01 <docteh> i used to get work units for a pentium 100 i had running still :)

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18:06 <ergZay> docteh: ah heh

18:06 <ergZay> i have a pentium pro thats only missing a harddrive sitting around somewhere

18:06 <ergZay> it got migrated to my newer old computer

18:10 <ergZay> anyone know the command off the top of their heads to pull up a listing of ip addresses of computers on the local network?

18:10 <ergZay> or is there such a command

18:10 <ergZay> linux command

18:10 <ergZay> *nix rather

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18:30 <xcamel> back again

18:31 <wdsmia> wb

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18:38 <xcamel> you missed the storm eh?

18:39 <xcamel> looks like it's going to rocket right up the St Lawrance

18:44 <xcamel> we have a 'high wind watch" but that's about it..

18:44 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 55.0F / 12.8C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Cloudy. Scattered showers early in the afternoon...then isolated showers early in the evening. Breezy. Northwest wind 20 to 25 mph. Chance of showers 30 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening then clearing. (1 more message)

18:44 <wdsmia> &more

18:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Cooler. Low in the mid 40s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.; Monday - Sunny. High in the mid 60s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.;

18:44 <xcamel> 85F and 100% humidity

18:45 <xcamel> &wx 12074

18:45 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 70.8F / 21.6C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1002.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. The low in the lower 70s. South winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. The high in the upper 70s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph...becoming west in the afternoon. Gusts up to 35 mph.; (1 more message)

18:47 <BadBarbarian_> &wx 86046

18:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian_: Temperature: 76F / 24.4C | Humidity: 13% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows 39 to 47. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. Highs 72 to 80. Light winds becoming south around 15 mph early in the afternoon...then becoming light late in the afternoon.; (1 more message)

18:47 <BadBarbarian_> &more

18:47 <Romulus> BadBarbarian_: Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 40 to 48. Light winds.;

18:50 <xcamel> &more

18:50 <Romulus> xcamel: Monday Night - Partly cloudy. Much cooler. Less humid with the low in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

18:54 <xcamel> must be FR is getting hammered again

18:56 <xcamel> 503'a

18:56 <xcamel> 503's even

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19:03 <xcamel> amazing how fast that thing is moving...

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19:06 <xcamel> 'lo TM

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20:58 <xcamel> laterz..

21:00 <efc> night X

21:01 <efc> going home

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22:06 <ergZay> why on the boinc website do you guys supply the latest 5.x version as well as the latest 6.x version?

22:06 <ergZay> do some people prefer the 5.x version for some reason?

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23:49 <Soul_keeper> ergZay, some consider 5.x to be completely stable, while 6.x still has many new features that aren't as well tested

23:50 <Soul_keeper> i prefer 6.x

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