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00:26 <PovAddict> ergZay: you cant run your own apps, only the dozen that are already there
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01:17 <ergZay> PovAddict: i meant running in a web browser
01:17 <ergZay> loading up runescape for example
01:17 <ergZay> which seems to run
01:17 <ergZay> im wondering if theres a VM inside the VM or if its forwarding all html calls to the overhead system thats running the OS-in-window
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01:44 <ergZay> in the processor usage times section, i know it works for the every day setting, but if i use say 19:45-13:45, to have it STOP running during a certain time and run the rest of the time, but if i use that on the single day overrides does it also work that way?
01:45 <Tank_Master> waa?
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01:45 <Tank_Master> oh, they can set differnt run times for differnt days now?
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01:46 <infinisoft> yay
01:46 <infinisoft> Primegrid subproject history graphs.
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03:51 <Tank_Master> hot daym
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05:13 <CoderForLife> still 527,082 without power this morning
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05:16 <clusty> #boinc_dev
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05:28 <Soul_keeper> there is now sleeping for me
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06:08 <Soul_keeper> no*
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06:37 <hawmps> 'lo
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16:08 <xcamel> 'lo
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16:29 <Tank_Master> I see this is a gree channel
16:29 <Tank_Master> green*
16:30 <bigt0242000> why's that?
16:32 <Tank_Master> about 90% of the lines here are green
16:32 <xcamel> innies/outies
16:32 <bigt0242000> mine shows blue and orange
16:35 <CoderForLife> greetings
16:36 <bigt0242000> howdy
16:36 <CoderForLife> hey bigt0242000
16:36 <CoderForLife> home again home again
16:37 <Tank_Master> wb
16:38 <CoderForLife> thx Tank_Master
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17:01 <bigt0242000> so what exactly is eyeOS
17:01 <PovAddict> an erm
17:01 <PovAddict> "web based operating system"?
17:01 <PovAddict> a web-based *desktop* actually
17:01 <bigt0242000> from the demo, it looks pretty neat
17:03 <bigt0242000> so do they run the hosting server or do u have to make ur own?
17:03 <PovAddict> I have no idea
17:03 <PovAddict> you can download the code afaik
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17:05 <bigt0242000> looks like you have to host it on your own web server
17:06 <PovAddict> eyeOS is my nightmare come true
17:06 <xcamel> bals..
17:06 <bigt0242000> lol
17:06 <PovAddict> replacing our computer desktops with a fullscreen web browser
17:06 <xcamel> re blah, even...
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17:06 <bigt0242000> cloud computing
17:07 <PovAddict> "cloud computing" is a term as well-defined as "web 2.0"
17:07 <bigt0242000> lol
17:07 <xcamel> oil down to $91.15 woo-hoo!
17:07 <PovAddict> marketing bullcrap
17:07 <bigt0242000> yeah but that was at market close
17:08 <PovAddict> I have written HTML scrapers just to avoid some web apps... the main feature I love from GMail is IMAP support... etc
17:08 <bigt0242000> in after hours electronic trading it went back up to 95 last i heard
17:09 <xcamel> curent brent is 91.75
17:09 <Romulus> Title: Requirements - eyeOS Wiki (at wiki.eyeos.org)
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17:18 <PovAddict> who votes for the project list in the Attach Project wizard to be alphabetically sorted?
17:18 <PovAddict> currently it's intentionally in random order
17:18 <PovAddict> shuffled each time the wizard is open, I think
17:19 <bigt0242000> it would be helpful
17:20 <bigt0242000> but i usually just put in the url
17:21 <xcamel> I do, I do!!
17:21 <xcamel> the 'shuffle' is stupid.
17:22 <Romulus> Title: Issue 16 - synecdoche - Google Code (at code.google.com)
17:22 <CoderForLife> back for a moment
17:23 <CoderForLife> ia cloud computing a form of vaporware?
17:24 <bigt0242000> idk
17:24 <PovAddict> indeed CoderForLife
17:24 <CoderForLife> lol
17:25 <bigt0242000> i just know everything from cloud computing is stored in the cloud
17:25 <xcamel> FlatulentOS
17:25 <CoderForLife> heh
17:25 <PovAddict> "store your data in the cloud, and let it fall on somebody's house as rain!"
17:25 <CoderForLife> only the MS version, xcamel
17:31 <CoderForLife> that's not rain, that's security breach tears, PovAddict
17:32 <bigt0242000> lol
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17:37 <CoderForLife> wall topped out today
17:37 <PovAddict> that's going fast
17:38 <CoderForLife> although the image is too bright due to the white rock on top, you can make out the orange outline of part of my patio
17:38 <CoderForLife> it lines up nearly perfect with the bend in the wall
17:38 <CoderForLife> =)
17:40 <bigt0242000> so is Synecdoche going to have any features from boincview built-in? or maybe added as an addon?
17:41 <PovAddict> maybe... eventually... some day...
17:41 <bigt0242000> lol
17:41 <xcamel> got your camera back up?
17:41 <CoderForLife> yesy
17:41 <PovAddict> it's hard to add multihost features to the current code MESS
17:41 <CoderForLife> er yes
17:41 <bigt0242000> that's understandable
17:41 <CoderForLife> I'll add some pics also
17:41 <PovAddict> we've spent more time cleaning up than fixing/adding stuff :)
17:42 <bigt0242000> any screenies yet?
17:42 <xcamel> did it snow?
17:42 <bigt0242000> snow?
17:42 <Romulus> snow is fun, bigt0242000
17:43 <xcamel> you have to see the camera image...
17:43 <xcamel> and I had a hell of an idea, but day late, dollar short, as usual.
17:44 <PovAddict> bigt0242000: well, there is a screenshot of the new preferences dialog
17:44 <PovAddict> but it needs work, so it won't be on our first release
17:45 <bigt0242000> looks good
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17:46 <bigt0242000> better than the crazy one i have now
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17:46 <xcamel> he had to do all that digging and filling - add a bit of insulation, and what a tremendous mass heat storage container that would have been...
17:46 <Tank_Master> snow is lots of fun!
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17:47 <xcamel> 20 tons of dry crushed limestone... oh boy..
17:47 <bigt0242000> oh boy is right lol
17:48 <xcamel> closed loop heatpump and Viola!
17:50 <Tank_Master> :)
17:51 <Tank_Master> gonna hook up your PC's water colling to it?
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18:06 <CoderForLife> got tons of homew@#% to do - I need to drop off for the evening
18:06 <CoderForLife> tc foks
18:27 <xcamel> re back
18:28 <Tank_Master> re wb
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18:44 <ergZay> PovAddict: well there will be changes coming on computer technology in the future
18:44 <ergZay> as we'll all have desktop super computers
18:44 <PovAddict> why have desktop supercomputers if all apps are HTML-based thin clients?
18:44 <ergZay> so things that used to take too many cycles to do live before, will now become possible to do live
18:45 <ergZay> i dont think cloud computing will ever really happen
18:45 <PovAddict> hopefully
18:45 <ergZay> unless new security technologies come along
18:46 <ergZay> that revoltuionize as much as private/public key cryptography
18:46 <ergZay> did
18:46 <ergZay> as cloud computing makes it all too easy for big brother to peek
18:47 <ergZay> rather i think even more stuff will become desktop oriented
18:47 <ergZay> but everything that is desktop oriented will nave a piece that is on the network
18:47 <Tank_Master> why do you think google wahts cloud computing?
18:48 <ergZay> google isnt malicious
18:48 <Tank_Master> indeed
18:48 <PovAddict> it just wants your private data
18:48 <PovAddict> to give you targeted advertising
18:48 <Tank_Master> and everything else
18:49 <ergZay> their "feeling" or "internal people policy" or whoever you want to term it, i can think of a good word for it isnt for doing that
18:49 <ergZay> if you look at the history of google extensively they were never terribly out to make money, except for the one incident with whats that company called
18:50 <ergZay> the one that they stole from, the one they later settled with, that they got their advertising technology from
18:50 <PovAddict> doubleclick?
18:50 <Tank_Master> gator
18:50 <Tank_Master> :P
18:50 <ergZay> i think they had "go" in their name
18:50 <ergZay> no wasnt gator
18:51 <ergZay> gator is nonsense
18:51 <ergZay> read up on google history
18:51 <ergZay> if you ever see it on tv again, watch it, a series called "download: the true story of the internet" or something like that
18:51 <ergZay> very good overview
18:52 <ergZay> covers the netscape vs microsoft fiasco, the internet bubble and crash, google rising to power, and things like youtube, craigs list, wikipedia, etc coming up
18:52 <ergZay> and digg
18:53 <Tank_Master> never used digg
18:53 <ergZay> its also the first place ive ever ever seen anything villanize microsoft
18:53 <ergZay> on tv atleast
18:53 <Tank_Master> never saw the point in it
18:53 <ergZay> anyway
18:54 <ergZay> somethings will go further into cloud computing but some things that are trying to call themselves that will fail
18:54 <ergZay> youtube is going to get bigger and better
18:54 <ergZay> digg i dunno
18:54 <Tank_Master> esp if they include porn
18:54 <ergZay> wikipedia could either go the wrote of big media as its started to go or clean itself up and go back to a source for real information
18:55 <ergZay> theres a line between avoiding controversial information in pages and getting so anti controversy that you become like a newspaper in terms of information
18:55 <ergZay> too standardized
18:55 <Tank_Master> yeah
18:55 <ergZay> wikipedia has gone too far and looks like its continuing to go farther in some ways
18:56 <xcamel> ok... why would my linux box be doing burst uploads to msnbot?
18:56 <ergZay> exact reason i cant trust at all any of their pages on environmental science, religion, politics or any other "popular" topics
18:57 <ergZay> their math and science pages are quite good though
18:57 <xcamel> wikipedia has become a joke
18:57 <PovAddict> xcamel: because msnbot is crawling your webpage?
18:58 <ergZay> im just waiting to see what happens to the world (including wikipedia) when the bomb drops that global "climate change" (as they are calling it now as they dont know wth is going on) gets revealed as the hoax it is
18:58 <ergZay> will be interesting as so many companies and even governments now have poured so much $$$ into it
18:58 <xcamel> right on the money, erg.
18:59 <xcamel> the politics of fear...
18:59 <ergZay> some things like research into real renewable energy, like solar panel research (wind or water turbines not so much) will still remain though
18:59 <xcamel> alternate energy is great, but the world will not run on it for a very long time.
18:59 <ergZay> whenever science starts getting media attention its a big warning light
19:00 <ergZay> xcamel: just isnt enough of it
19:00 <xcamel> this thing >> msnbot-65-55-209-7.search.msn.com
19:00 <xcamel> I can't seem to block it either.
19:00 <PovAddict> the bot is downloading from your website = your webserver is uploading pages to the bot
19:00 <xcamel> (not smart enough to remember how)
19:01 <ergZay> well we're either going to go into a forced depression if things get too green, or people will wake up and realize what a godsend nuclear power really is and how idiotically un-dangerous it really is and start using that a ton
19:01 <PovAddict> xcamel: I heard msnbot downloads robots.txt, parses it, then ignores it and crawls the hell out of your site anyway
19:01 <ergZay> or if no nuclear
19:01 <ergZay> as oil runs out (if its really running out, which is debatable) we will all switch to coal
19:01 <ergZay> and then things will get really ungreen
19:02 <ergZay> as thats basically unlimited
19:02 <ergZay> have any of the schools or universites you guys go to started going nuts over trying to save paper?
19:03 <ergZay> my college has started and i keep considering going to the dean and telling them that every bit of paper they use isnt really destory forests, its grown on tree farms that are repeatedly cut down and regrown <_<
19:03 <ergZay> go take a drive in the north western USA
19:04 <Tank_Master> pov, no thats the googlebot that does it
19:04 <ergZay> btw should i shut up now?
19:04 <PovAddict> googlebot does listen to robots.txt, if you set it correctly
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19:05 <ergZay> robots.txt isnt really a standard or a mandate, its just policy that search engines follow it
19:07 <Didactylos> ergZay: a) old growth is better. b) recycling has a high energy cost. c) buying paper costs money!
19:08 <ergZay> Didactylos: well if they are really trying to save money they arent saying it
19:08 <ergZay> its all green green green
19:09 <ergZay> in my friend's class the teach said "well because several of you will drop this class i wont be handing out the sylabus today because i want to save paper"
19:09 <Tank_Master> more they malke, the mroe than can give to their liberal lobietst
19:09 <Didactylos> Environmentalists sometimes work at cross purposes. Makes them look kind of silly....
19:10 <Didactylos> For example, someone was claiming plastic carrier bags are only a miniscule fraction of our annual carbon footprint.
19:10 <ergZay> the two types of fanatics that get me the most angry
19:10 <xcamel> a) old growth is better. << than what?
19:10 <ergZay> are 1. the anti-moon landing conspiratists, and 2. anti-nuclear environmentalists
19:10 <Didactylos> Perfectly true, but that's not the reason we want to cut down on them.
19:10 <Didactylos> ergZay: seconded.
19:11 <ergZay> i could care less about carbon footprint
19:11 <ergZay> i dont litter of course as that makes things messy
19:11 <xcamel> Carlin was right - the earth will be just fine, however, people are fsck'd
19:11 <Didactylos> The anti-nuclear jokers seem to still be living in the cold war.
19:12 <xcamel> 'china syndrome' junkies...
19:12 <Didactylos> You should care about your carbon footprint. It will save you money, AND save the planet.
19:12 <ergZay> rather is houdl say anti-nuclear power environmentalists
19:12 <ergZay> is wha ti meant
19:12 <ergZay> what i*
19:12 <ergZay> Didactylos: i care about my carbon footprint if it helps save me money
19:12 <ergZay> but then thats just saving money
19:12 <xcamel> carbon footpriint... another galactic hoax...
19:12 <ergZay> so im all for flourescent and led light bulbs
19:12 <ergZay> as they are cheaper in the long term
19:12 <ergZay> xcamel: seconded
19:13 <Didactylos> Yes, but they equate energy with missiles. They always draw nuclear bombs into their argument.
19:13 <ergZay> but i only go for cheaper and less carbon when its a convienince
19:13 <xcamel> flourescent and led light bulbs << contain deadly toxins you can't easily dispose of.
19:13 <ergZay> i wont be biking to school to save from driving and producing that excess c02
19:13 <Didactylos> So, you don't care about melting the planet?
19:13 <ergZay> thats a myth that the planet will melt
19:13 <Didactylos> It's no myth.
19:14 <ergZay> yes way a myth
19:14 <Tank_Master> yeah it is
19:14 <Didactylos> The Arctic has lost 2 million square kilometers of ice already.
19:14 <Tank_Master> there no way itll melt the planet
19:14 <Didactylos> 2 million!
19:14 <Tank_Master> it already it
19:14 <PovAddict> I'd bike to avoid walking...
19:14 <xcamel> like mercury and gallium, and arsenic, and selenium
19:14 <ergZay> Didactylos: and a good portion of those came back this last winter
19:14 <Didactylos> And Greenland is melting far, far faster than the most doom-and-gloom predictions.
19:14 <Tank_Master> the artic ice sheet is 13% larger this year than last year
19:14 <Didactylos> ergZay: no, it didn't.
19:15 <xcamel> the arctic was melting mostly because of undersea volcanos... not "global warming"
19:15 <ergZay> Didactylos: here let me pull up the article
19:15 * PovAddict still hasnt learned to drive and has no interest
19:15 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: you have been listening to liars.
19:15 <Tank_Master> heh
19:15 <Tank_Master> nasa is a lier?
19:15 <Tank_Master> you can lie about facts
19:15 <Didactylos> The amount of ice in the Arctic is almost the same as last year.
19:15 <Tank_Master> says who?
19:15 <Didactylos> It is just spread out more, because it is THINNER
19:15 <Tank_Master> the media?
19:15 <Romulus> hmm... the media are quite happy to bash Democrats. Didn't you notice, Tank_Master
19:15 <Didactylos> No.
19:15 <Didactylos> There are three measures of ice.
19:16 <Didactylos> Extent, area, and thickness.
19:16 <xcamel> and density
19:16 <Didactylos> Extent is the amount of water with more than 15% ice.
19:16 <Didactylos> This year, the ice is more spread out than last year.
19:16 <Didactylos> But that's not what should be worrying you.
19:16 <ergZay> i hope you know when they do those caclualtions
19:16 <ergZay> they never take into effect snowfall that is rebuilding the ice
19:17 <Didactylos> Last year, melt conditions were exceptional. A "perfect storm".
19:17 <xcamel> currently, smaller area, thicker ice, higher density, more total ice mass.
19:17 <ergZay> every single pro-global warming article i have seen talkes about area
19:17 <ergZay> and thats all
19:17 <ergZay> not one thing about thickness
19:17 <Didactylos> This year, melt conditions were average. But just as much ice melted! (More, in fact.)
19:17 <xcamel> read this >> http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5589
19:17 <Didactylos> ergZay: Want some sources?
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19:17 <ergZay> Didactylos: its easy to find sources
19:18 <ergZay> there are too many
19:18 <Didactylos> The ice thickness at the pole has dropped by metres over the last years.
19:18 <ergZay> problem is which are real
19:18 <ergZay> which is the problem
19:18 <xcamel> wrong... the ice is thicker.
19:18 <Tank_Master> its not the thickness that matters
19:18 <Didactylos> Would you trust the National Snow and Ice Data Center?
19:18 <Tank_Master> the sufice area is what reflects light
19:18 <xcamel> and much more dense.
19:18 <Tank_Master> not how thick it is
19:19 <Didactylos> Correct. But thin ice is more vulnerable to melting completely.
19:19 <Tank_Master> then why didnt it?
19:20 <Didactylos> An awful lot of it did.
19:20 <ergZay> Didactylos: read this
19:20 <Didactylos> monckton is a moron.
19:20 <ergZay> i like this diagram best
19:20 <xcamel> the satellite photos from 1978 to current show no net loss of ice in square area...
19:20 <Didactylos> An unqualified moron, at that
19:20 <ergZay> Didactylos: ad hominum
19:20 <Didactylos> True, though.
19:20 <xcamel> I don't know where you are getting your data..
19:21 <Didactylos> He has NO qualifications at all.
19:21 <Didactylos> He's not a scientist, he's a hobbyist.
19:21 <ergZay> Didactylos: i could care for crap about qualificiations
19:21 <Didactylos> Ah!
19:21 <Didactylos> Well, one of those people.
19:21 <Tank_Master> o.O?
19:21 <xcamel> the photos don't lie.
19:21 <Tank_Master> aye, that you are, Didactylos
19:21 <ergZay> qualifications are just a way to keep certain people out of certain areas
19:21 <Didactylos> No doubt you think your opinion has equal weight with a qualified opinion?
19:21 <ergZay> its government nonsense
19:22 <ergZay> Didactylos: no as i dont know what im talking about
19:22 <Didactylos> No, it's about spending a lifetime studying the subject.
19:22 <Tank_Master> qualification is just a way to bias the information presented
19:22 <ergZay> the problem with "qualifications" is that if you know the right people
19:22 <ergZay> you can get qualifications
19:22 <ergZay> for free
19:22 <ergZay> they arent absolute by any means
19:22 <ergZay> is my main point
19:22 <Tank_Master> but the thing is that if you study in a univiersity, you are studing biased information
19:22 <ergZay> einstien had next to no qualifications when he wrote his theory
19:23 <Didactylos> And if you buy your qualifications, real scientists will mock you, and you'll never get published.
19:23 <ergZay> Didactylos: i didnt say buy
19:23 <Tank_Master> morons get published every day
19:23 <ergZay> i meant buddy network
19:23 <Didactylos> Peer review is the important mechanism in academic research.
19:24 <ergZay> peer review is also a way to keep people out who are against the agenda certain people are trying to push
19:24 <Didactylos> Rubbish sinks into obscurity, good papers get cited.
19:24 <ergZay> also if you get refused then there is a huge amount of scorn
19:24 <Didactylos> Wow.
19:24 <ergZay> so its mass scale bullying to anyone who tries to publish anti-global warming
19:24 <Didactylos> You're a load of paranoid idiots.
19:24 <Didactylos> Bye!
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19:24 <xcamel> that's why 31,000 accredited scientists signed the paper stating that AGW was a hoax.
19:24 <ergZay> lol
19:24 <ergZay> that guy
19:24 <ergZay> another global warming know-it-all
19:24 <ergZay> seen a million
19:25 <xcamel> like Hanson, from nasa
19:25 <xcamel> friggin fear-monger
19:25 <ergZay> xcamel: anyway what were those links you were giving
19:25 <ergZay> im good on information low on citations i can give people
19:25 <xcamel> links that prove the "big ice melt" is also a hoax...
19:26 <ergZay> i still love this image
19:26 <xcamel> cryosphere today is one of the best.
19:27 <ergZay> im not comletely saying global warming is a hoax, i still think there is a small possibility that its true
19:27 <ergZay> but when i see people waving their hands a lot
19:27 <ergZay> warning flag
19:29 <xcamel> miklonovich(sp) cycles
19:29 <ergZay> the interesting thing that graph
19:29 <ergZay> is the first time ive ever seen a graph of average global temperature over millions of years
19:29 <ergZay> they never ever give it
19:30 <xcamel> 80-85% of the interseasonal melt in the last 10 years has been attributed to the undersea volcanos at the MA rift up to the pole
19:30 <ergZay> yea thats the kind of real information i want
19:30 <ergZay> its hard as heck to find anywhere though
19:31 <ergZay> im 19 and of i guess what you could say younger generation that has grown up completely in global warming propaganda
19:32 <xcamel> some place the subice rise was +8C because of the rising 700C water from the vents
19:32 <xcamel> places, that is..
19:32 <ergZay> the problem with the averages given for global temp
19:32 <ergZay> in order to have true averages you have to take them everywhere
19:33 <ergZay> and if you dont have enough errors can affect things much more
19:33 <ergZay> and if you dont have enough, errors can affect things much more*
19:33 <ergZay> forgot the comma
19:33 <ergZay> so if you stick a sensor righ ton top of a heat vent
19:33 <ergZay> and dont take it out
19:34 <ergZay> things are going to skew
19:34 <ergZay> a lot
19:34 <xcamel> in the US - they audited the NIST certified weather stations, and found 80% of them badly out of spec, and placed in spots that are prone to get abnormally hot.
19:34 <ergZay> lol rly?
19:34 <ergZay> linkie?
19:34 <xcamel> exactly like you said..
19:34 <ergZay> i wana bookmark that one
19:35 <xcamel> just a sec...
19:35 <ergZay> btw where do you work/attend?
19:37 <ergZay> where do you work or attend school at?
19:37 <ergZay> just out of curiosity
19:38 <xcamel> I have been an amateur professional meteorologist for 35 years (as a hobby)
19:38 <ergZay> oh nice
19:38 <ergZay> my dad has been doing that himself somwhat
19:38 <xcamel> storm chaser, severe weather, lightning studies, etc..
19:38 <ergZay> he was doing ham radio severe weather spotting for a while
19:38 <ergZay> nothing like that of course
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19:39 <ergZay> PovAddict: oh hey
19:39 <ergZay> me and xcamel just scared away didactylos
19:39 <xcamel> the best science is this...
19:39 <efc> moo
19:39 <PovAddict> ergZay: why do you think *I* quit the channel?
19:39 <ergZay> for the same reason?
19:40 <Tank_Master> ?
19:40 <ergZay> anyway
19:40 <xcamel> Milankovitch Cycles
19:41 <PovAddict> my IRC client doesn't let me disable message notifications for only channels with flamewars, so my other choices are quitting the channel or disabling notifications globally
19:41 <xcamel> you need to widen your life focus, PoV
19:43 * CoderForLife wanders back
19:43 <CoderForLife> did I miss something?
19:44 <Soul_keeper> nothing has changed in 2yrs here
19:44 <CoderForLife> hmm
19:45 <xcamel> global warming debate..
19:45 <Tank_Master> lol
19:45 <CoderForLife> I see that
19:45 <xcamel> phun while it lasted..
19:45 <CoderForLife> heh
19:45 <Tank_Master> some say it doesnt exists
19:45 <CoderForLife> got a bit hot
19:45 <Tank_Master> others say its mans fault
19:45 <Tank_Master> others dont agree
19:45 <xcamel> it may exists, but man didn't cause it.
19:45 <Tank_Master> thats the basic sum of it
19:45 <ergZay> i think this is the first time ive argued against global warming that i havent had 20 people on top of me
19:45 <ergZay> makes me happy that atlest some people exist that also share that view
19:46 <xcamel> because there are adults here.
19:46 <Tank_Master> lol
19:46 <ergZay> lol
19:46 <Tank_Master> I thing global warming can exists
19:46 <ergZay> yes thats probably why
19:46 <ergZay> i tend to argue in anime related IRC channels
19:46 <xcamel> ...who remember the last "global crisis"
19:46 <ergZay> over on irc.rizon.net
19:46 <CoderForLife> OK at least things are status quo here
19:46 <ergZay> when i get into arguments
19:46 <xcamel> and the one before that...
19:46 <Tank_Master> but seeing as to the fast the global temp at one point was 160f...
19:47 <xcamel> and at one point it was -24C
19:47 <Tank_Master> leads me to believe its quite nateral to fluxuate more and 1f at all
19:47 <CoderForLife> back to my w@#% homew@#%
19:47 <xcamel> 'snowball earth'
19:47 <Tank_Master> thats true to, xcamel
19:47 <ergZay> im just hoping that at some point there will be an end to this madness
19:47 <Tank_Master> hence my point... :P
19:47 <CoderForLife> need to get it done before the next ice sheet melts at my front door
19:47 <CoderForLife> laterz
19:47 <ergZay> i couldnt stand it if it continues to get even bigger with more people raging about it
19:48 <Tank_Master> not as long as the demicratic envirnmentelets controle the media
19:48 <Tank_Master> hf CoderForLife
19:48 <ergZay> xcamel: how long did the global cooling crazy fest last?
19:48 <xcamel> politicians need 'global crisis' to dig that cash out of your wallet..
19:48 <PovAddict> ok clearly the flam^H^H^H^H discussions hasn't ended here
19:48 <ergZay> the one back a decade or two before i was born
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19:48 <xcamel> about 12-12 years..
19:48 <Tank_Master> thnk god he left
19:48 <Tank_Master> we can stop now
19:48 <Tank_Master> :P
19:49 <ergZay> 12-12?
19:49 <xcamel> lol 10-12
19:49 <ergZay> ah k
19:49 <ergZay> and how long has global warming been going now
19:49 <xcamel> the worst back around 1979
19:49 <xcamel> and the "ozone hole"
19:49 <ergZay> well that was real
19:49 <xcamel> and nuclear winter..
19:50 <ergZay> ozone hole was real, and atleast partially human caused
19:50 <ergZay> the CFC stoppage show that i think
19:50 <xcamel> now they know it was not causes by CFC's
19:50 <ergZay> what?
19:50 <ergZay> i haven't heard that
19:50 <ergZay> my biology class 3 years ago or so which was very pro-global warming said global warming had nothing to dow ith it
19:50 <xcamel> it was caused by high levels of solar ionized radiation at the south pole
19:50 <ergZay> they went out of their way to say that
19:51 <ergZay> oh rly?
19:51 <Tank_Master> "but the world is safer now, so we wont talk about the fact that we were wrong, for the public thinks it was the right thing to do" - the media
19:51 <xcamel> man is an extremely vain and arrogant species.
19:51 <ergZay> Tank_Master: of course
19:51 <Tank_Master> :)
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19:52 <ergZay> ive been watching science channel over the past couple years
19:52 <Tank_Master> thats basicly what they said about the tet offensive when they reported it faild and it didnt
19:52 <xcamel> and "people" believe they have to "matter"
19:52 <ergZay> the shows keep getting more and more wild about global warming
19:52 <ergZay> most recent one was different ways of "stopping" global warming
19:52 <ergZay> from things like
19:52 <Tank_Master> you should see the new "stuff happens"
19:52 <ergZay> raining planting trees, giant sheets of plastic over the glaciers to stop them from melting, air turbines on blimps
19:52 <ergZay> crazy stuff
19:53 <ergZay> and this makes it to science channel <_<
19:53 <Tank_Master> its way to "human's fault for every thing"
19:53 <xcamel> therefore, man thinks he causes the things he really doesn't control, and believes he can "fix" them.
19:53 <Tank_Master> what good is air turbins on blimps?
19:53 <ergZay> dont ask me
19:53 <Tank_Master> lol
19:53 <ergZay> some guy said it was good
19:53 <ergZay> he wanted to fill the air with em
19:54 <ergZay> put em on tethers
19:54 <xcamel> usually, just ending up making everything worse, or making everyone miserable
19:54 <ergZay> as then they can get really high
19:54 <ergZay> tog et high altitude wind
19:54 <ergZay> only thing i thought of
19:54 <ergZay> umm what about air traffic
19:54 <Tank_Master> and do what? move the air?
19:54 <Tank_Master> dont it alreay do that on its own?
19:54 <ergZay> Tank_Master: no i mean to make electricity
19:54 <Tank_Master> aahh
19:54 <Tank_Master> ok
19:54 <Tank_Master> still stupid :P
19:54 <ergZay> yes still silly though
19:54 <ergZay> yea
19:54 <xcamel> one of the largest sources of energy without much downside is tidal and ocean currents
19:55 <ergZay> debatable
19:55 <xcamel> but they mostly ignore that...
19:55 <xcamel> it's just too obvious.
19:55 <ergZay> durability of the turbines is a problem
19:55 <Tank_Master> its expensive
19:55 <Tank_Master> do to the corrosive nature of the salt water and needing to replace them so often
19:55 <ergZay> tital water is going to be filled with barnacles
19:55 <xcamel> not really... we use hydro power all the time
19:56 <Tank_Master> best thing so far is nuclear
19:56 <ergZay> yes but its a litlte more protected there
19:56 <ergZay> Tank_Master: seconded
19:56 <ergZay> with the longshot nuclear fusion at some point in the future
19:56 <xcamel> agreed on that - PBR reactors - nearly 100% idiot proof.
19:56 <Tank_Master> small land footprint, large energy return
19:56 <ergZay> also im all for fuel recycling
19:57 <ergZay> which i think USA is the only country that doesnt
19:57 <ergZay> because they were afraid the soviets would steal it
19:57 <Tank_Master> the spent fuel rods?
19:57 <ergZay> which is moot now
19:57 <xcamel> literally a pile of softball sized tungsten-ceramic balls with fissile material inside
19:57 <ergZay> Tank_Master: yea reprocess them to recover the good fuel
19:57 <ergZay> waste takes way less space then
19:57 <Tank_Master> yeah
19:57 <Tank_Master> fance does that
19:58 <Tank_Master> something like 97% is still good
19:58 <ergZay> yea
19:58 <xcamel> thorium reactors produce **no** radioactive waste..
19:58 <Tank_Master> 3% waste
19:58 <ergZay> "spent" is a misnomer
19:58 <ergZay> xcamel: how can that be?
19:58 <Tank_Master> ehh, its what people call them
19:58 <ergZay> what does the thorium turn into?
19:58 <xcamel> the material is completely used up
19:58 <ergZay> used up is a misnomer
19:59 <ergZay> what does it break into?
19:59 <ergZay> breaks into stable-only pieces?
19:59 <xcamel> neutrons/protone
19:59 <ergZay> decay*
19:59 <xcamel> protons
19:59 <ergZay> hogwash, thorium is huge, its not goint to completely go away
19:59 <xcamel> it's complicated - read up on it.
20:00 <xcamel> but it works
20:00 <ergZay> ive never heard of radioactivity that doesnt break up into lower elements
20:00 <xcamel> the remaining material is inert
20:00 <xcamel> like lead.
20:00 <ergZay> which element?
20:01 <MTughan> Seems the thorium slowly absorbs neutrons and turns into uranium, which can be used. At least right now.
20:01 <Tank_Master> wd40
20:01 <xcamel> I'd have to ho back and look it up - FR is testing one for power now.
20:01 <Romulus> Title: Thorium fuel cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:01 <Tank_Master> whatever happened to your technological lead?
20:01 <ergZay> united states is both the best country to live in and also in some ways the worst
20:01 <ergZay> drives me nuts
20:01 <ergZay> well not worst
20:01 <ergZay> but pretty bad
20:02 <Tank_Master> oh, right, socilists liberals gave it away and discourages more research
20:02 <ergZay> im a former conservative republican turned conservative liberterian
20:03 <Romulus> Title: Thorium Reactors - A New Type of Nuclear Reactor (at www.azom.com)
20:03 <ergZay> because republica party is becoming less and less conservative
20:03 <MTughan> Yep, seems that thorium-232 absorbs a neutron and becomes uranium-233, according to Wikipedia.
20:03 <ergZay> McCain is proof of that
20:03 <ergZay> but where is the energy gain?
20:03 <MTughan> It's abundant.
20:03 <ergZay> thats not fision
20:03 <Tank_Master> media picked mcCane
20:04 <Tank_Master> figuered he would be the easiest to win againce
20:04 <Tank_Master> but shows even the media makes stupid mistakes
20:04 <ergZay> i went for ron paul
20:04 <Tank_Master> :P
20:04 <xcamel> figuered he would be the easiest to win againce << against hitlery
20:04 <xcamel> RP is a nutjob
20:04 <Tank_Master> lol
20:04 <ergZay> maybe but i didnt see anyone better in either primary
20:05 <xcamel> and his twin brother on the left - cause-an-itch
20:05 <Tank_Master> I hope obination doesnt make it
20:05 <MTughan> Thorium isn't active enough to produce fission on its own, but apparently can be induced by shooting protons at it. According to the last link.
20:05 <MTughan> Seems I'm behind the conversation though... And I'm not interested in US politics.
20:05 <Tank_Master> nice
20:05 <xcamel> PBR's are the next step better...
20:05 <MTughan> We have our own election going on now anyway.
20:05 <Tank_Master> MTughan - me neither
20:05 <xcamel> and they can't melt down...
20:05 <Tank_Master> people areound are way to much though
20:08 <xcamel> "US Government is the worst on earth - except for all the others"
20:15 <ergZay> xcamel: thats a reworking of whts-his-name the WW2 british prime minister
20:15 <ergZay> the "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others"
20:16 <MTughan> ergZay: Churchill?
20:16 <ergZay> ah yea
20:16 <ergZay> couldnt remember his nme
20:16 <MTughan> Winston Churchill, yeah.
20:16 <ergZay> Soul_keeper: nice link lol
20:17 <ergZay> all those darn catholic liberals lol
20:18 <Soul_keeper> :)
20:18 <ergZay> (not saying all liberals are catholic of course)
20:18 <Soul_keeper> i wish we could still smoke on planes
20:18 <ergZay> im glad you cant
20:18 <Tank_Master> eww
20:18 <ergZay> i cant stand cig smoke
20:18 <MTughan> I'm with the other two.
20:18 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats the worst thing
20:18 <ergZay> makes me gag
20:19 <Soul_keeper> i think the smell of tobacco is the best scent there is
20:19 <xcamel> then don't fly...
20:19 <MTughan> And if you get enough over your lifetime, you can get cancer as well.
20:19 * Tank_Master thinks the sell of cigeretts should be banned
20:19 <xcamel> I guess we should ban sunshine then...
20:19 <Soul_keeper> hmmm
20:19 <MTughan> xcamel: To England? How would I do that if I didn't fly?
20:19 <ergZay> i would be fine for adding a section in the back
20:19 <ergZay> with filtration system
20:19 <xcamel> tough -
20:19 <Tank_Master> I wouldnt mind banning sunshine
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20:19 <xcamel> sunshine causes cancer...
20:19 <Tank_Master> MTughan - by boat
20:19 <Tank_Master> duh
20:19 <Tank_Master> :P
20:19 <ergZay> Tank_Master: same here
20:20 <MTughan> Thanks...
20:20 <Tank_Master> lol
20:20 <xcamel> kills you much faster than cigarettes too...
20:20 <Soul_keeper> too many people cry and complain about other people's business and the slightest disturbance
20:20 <MTughan> Some of us don't have two months to spend on travelling along, let alone sightseeing once you get there.
20:20 <Soul_keeper> not enough fights to the death in society to uphold one's freedoms
20:20 <xcamel> then put up with the smoke.
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20:20 <MTughan> I don't have to. No smoking on planes.
20:21 <xcamel> don't worry... you're next.
20:21 <MTughan> For what?
20:21 <Tank_Master> MTughan- you can sigh see on the boat
20:21 <xcamel> food police, thought police - oh wait - you already have that in Canada...
20:22 <Tank_Master> lol
20:22 <MTughan> Tank_Master: "Oh look! Water! And more water! And more water..."
20:22 <MTughan> Hey, we ain't socialist.
20:22 <Tank_Master> oh hay, a wave!
20:22 <MTughan> Maybe a marooned sailor?
20:22 <Soul_keeper> they outlawed smoking on the beach here, and outlawed smoking in public completely in the next city over
20:22 <Tank_Master> then wahst the free healthcare for?
20:23 <Soul_keeper> can't smoke at football or baseball games, you have to leave the stadium
20:23 <Tank_Master> good
20:23 <Soul_keeper> if we all carried guns we wouldn't have this problem
20:23 <Tank_Master> but at that point, why not just ban smoking all together?
20:23 <xcamel> Heinlin was right
20:23 <Tank_Master> would save lives
20:23 <MTughan> Reminds me of a story my dad told me yesterday... NY Yankees were practicing for a game once when one of their players hit and killed a seagull with a baseball.
20:24 <MTughan> Toronto Police were going to charge him for it because it's illegal to kill a seagull in Toronto. xD
20:24 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, so you think it is the government's job to protect you from yourself ?
20:24 <Tank_Master> lol
20:24 <Tank_Master> Soul_keeper - problem is that others kill me with their smoke
20:24 <Tank_Master> so yes, that should be stoped
20:25 <Tank_Master> in washington, its not illegal to sell cigeretts that wont self extiguish with not in use
20:25 <Soul_keeper> unless they blow it in your face, then it shouldn't be a problem imo
20:25 <Tank_Master> just being in the room is a problem
20:25 <Soul_keeper> i guess we dissagree on this
20:26 <Tank_Master> probably
20:26 <Tank_Master> :)
20:26 <Soul_keeper> having separate smoking sections, was the first step in the process of appeasing the liberals, now they are getting everything they want
20:26 <xcamel> WHO proved there was no serious effects to 'second hand smoke' - but the report was buried.
20:27 <xcamel> 11,000 people studied worldwide
20:27 <xcamel> some up to 40 years...
20:27 <Soul_keeper> emissions from a car exhaust are likely far worse
20:27 <BadBarbarian_> hoe
20:27 <BadBarbarian_> !hoe
20:27 <Tank_Master> wrong channel, bb
20:27 <BadBarbarian_> opps
20:27 <Tank_Master> :P
20:28 <Soul_keeper> well i quit my job today ...
20:28 <Tank_Master> why?
20:28 <Soul_keeper> gave notice atleast
20:28 <Soul_keeper> because if i didn't quit i'd kill someone
20:28 <Tank_Master> sec not giving free blow jobs anymore?
20:28 <xcamel> to get away from the creep?
20:28 <Tank_Master> ahh
20:28 <Tank_Master> good reason
20:29 <Soul_keeper> i've done more work over the past 2yrs than the boss and all the other employees combined, yet i'm the lowest payed and least apreciated/respected
20:29 <Tank_Master> do less
20:29 <Tank_Master> then they have to do more
20:30 <Tank_Master> show them who is the real boss
20:30 <Tank_Master> though if you quit, then youll be doing less
20:30 <Soul_keeper> they would just cry and complain, i hate the sound of liberals crying, so i just do all the work
20:30 <Tank_Master> ahh
20:31 <Tank_Master> "but I dont want you to quit"
20:31 <Tank_Master> you "stbu, huh?"
20:31 <Soul_keeper> they'll beg me to come back, just like last time i quit
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20:32 <Soul_keeper> once they figure out that they have to actually do hard work, and can't just have me do it in 1/4th the time for 1/2 the pay they'll get desperate
20:32 <Tank_Master> :)
20:32 <Soul_keeper> i've had enough tho, i never wanted to be a painter
20:32 <xcamel> damn there has to be a way to block friggin msn...
20:33 <Tank_Master> which?
20:33 <Romulus> which is probably why I lost interest in Seti classic pretty quickly, Tank_Master
20:33 <Tank_Master> the webmessenger version, or the im?
20:33 <xcamel> their friggin robot scanner...
20:33 <efc> You guys have diarhea of the keyboard. I can't hope to catch up with all this oozle.
20:34 <efc> xcamel: Too late to sell poor baby Llama pickeled for $20 mil?
20:34 <xcamel> boring day, gutter talk
20:34 <xcamel> yeah.. right.
20:35 <efc> For $20 mil I'll pickle some kid off the street. Woulda been a criminal anyway.
20:36 <Soul_keeper> aig is now a branch of the government
20:36 <efc> I shall entitle it: "Post-birth control"
20:36 <Soul_keeper> the socialists are forking out 85 billion of our tax dollars
20:36 <xcamel> any ideas how to completely block msn robots? they're friggin killing me.
20:36 <efc> Yeah. i don't know whats more shocking. multi billion bailout, or federal employees working after 5 PM ?
20:37 <Tank_Master> lol
20:38 <xcamel> lol - T. Boondoggle PikinAmericasPockets
20:39 <xcamel> every time a different msft ip addy...
20:40 <Soul_keeper> xcamel, hitting your apache server ?
20:41 <efc> i've heard MS has got some bots going beserk, not sure what they're up to..
20:41 <Soul_keeper> those are web crawlers, you can setup a robots.txt file to deny them
20:41 <xcamel> just ignores it..
20:42 <infinisoft> MS DDoSing the nets? >_<
20:45 <xcamel> trying hosts.deny
20:46 <xcamel> ALL:msnbot.
20:46 <xcamel> and -
20:46 <xcamel> ALL:.search.msn.com
20:47 <xcamel> network reload..
20:48 <xcamel> maybe now..
20:48 <xcamel> damn - it jumped it anyway.
20:51 <efc> ran 3 couple quarter miles, lousy times
20:51 <xcamel> too warm out?
20:53 <efc> just not putting out 100% for some reason
20:54 <efc> nice girl walking out there.. I need a long-distance wedding ring detector.
20:56 <Soul_keeper> efc, take the beer goggles off, they blurr vision :)
20:58 <efc> she's a tall thin blond
20:58 <efc> two notches out of range, at least
20:58 <Soul_keeper> go sit with her
21:00 <xcamel> laterz..
21:01 <efc> night X
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22:31 <MTughan_> Don't like to do that if I don't have to...
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