IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-09-16

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00:26 <PovAddict> ergZay: you cant run your own apps, only the dozen that are already there

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01:17 <ergZay> PovAddict: i meant running in a web browser

01:17 <ergZay> loading up runescape for example

01:17 <ergZay> which seems to run

01:17 <ergZay> im wondering if theres a VM inside the VM or if its forwarding all html calls to the overhead system thats running the OS-in-window

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01:44 <ergZay> in the processor usage times section, i know it works for the every day setting, but if i use say 19:45-13:45, to have it STOP running during a certain time and run the rest of the time, but if i use that on the single day overrides does it also work that way?

01:45 <Tank_Master> waa?

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01:45 <Tank_Master> oh, they can set differnt run times for differnt days now?

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01:46 <infinisoft> yay

01:46 <infinisoft> Primegrid subproject history graphs.

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01:55 <zombie67> sphinctersayswhat?

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03:48 <Romulus> <> (at

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03:51 <Tank_Master> hot daym

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05:13 <CoderForLife> still 527,082 without power this morning

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05:16 <clusty> #boinc_dev

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05:28 <Soul_keeper> there is now sleeping for me

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06:08 <Soul_keeper> no*

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06:37 <hawmps> 'lo

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09:42 <hawmps> w00t

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14:09 <hawmps> ip kill >>

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16:08 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:29 <Tank_Master> I see this is a gree channel

16:29 <Tank_Master> green*

16:30 <bigt0242000> why's that?

16:32 <Tank_Master> about 90% of the lines here are green

16:32 <xcamel> innies/outies

16:32 <bigt0242000> mine shows blue and orange

16:35 <CoderForLife> greetings

16:36 <bigt0242000> howdy

16:36 <CoderForLife> hey bigt0242000

16:36 <CoderForLife> home again home again

16:37 <Tank_Master> wb

16:38 <CoderForLife> thx Tank_Master

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16:47 <CoderForLife> bbiab

16:50 <PovAddict> ergZay: all the apps you see in eyeOS are written from scratch in HTML & Javascript & PHP

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17:01 <bigt0242000> so what exactly is eyeOS

17:01 <PovAddict> an erm

17:01 <PovAddict> "web based operating system"?

17:01 <PovAddict> a web-based *desktop* actually

17:01 <bigt0242000> from the demo, it looks pretty neat

17:03 <bigt0242000> so do they run the hosting server or do u have to make ur own?

17:03 <PovAddict> I have no idea

17:03 <PovAddict> you can download the code afaik

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17:05 <bigt0242000> looks like you have to host it on your own web server

17:06 <PovAddict> eyeOS is my nightmare come true

17:06 <xcamel> bals..

17:06 <bigt0242000> lol

17:06 <PovAddict> replacing our computer desktops with a fullscreen web browser

17:06 <xcamel> re blah, even...

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17:06 <bigt0242000> cloud computing

17:07 <PovAddict> "cloud computing" is a term as well-defined as "web 2.0"

17:07 <bigt0242000> lol

17:07 <xcamel> oil down to $91.15 woo-hoo!

17:07 <PovAddict> marketing bullcrap

17:07 <bigt0242000> yeah but that was at market close

17:08 <PovAddict> I have written HTML scrapers just to avoid some web apps... the main feature I love from GMail is IMAP support... etc

17:08 <bigt0242000> in after hours electronic trading it went back up to 95 last i heard

17:09 <xcamel> curent brent is 91.75

17:09 <bigt0242000>

17:09 <Romulus> Title: Requirements - eyeOS Wiki (at

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17:18 <PovAddict> who votes for the project list in the Attach Project wizard to be alphabetically sorted?

17:18 <PovAddict> currently it's intentionally in random order

17:18 <PovAddict> shuffled each time the wizard is open, I think

17:19 <bigt0242000> it would be helpful

17:20 <bigt0242000> but i usually just put in the url

17:21 <xcamel> I do, I do!!

17:21 <xcamel> the 'shuffle' is stupid.

17:22 <PovAddict>

17:22 <Romulus> Title: Issue 16 - synecdoche - Google Code (at

17:22 <CoderForLife> back for a moment

17:23 <CoderForLife> ia cloud computing a form of vaporware?

17:24 <bigt0242000> idk

17:24 <PovAddict> indeed CoderForLife

17:24 <CoderForLife> lol

17:25 <bigt0242000> i just know everything from cloud computing is stored in the cloud

17:25 <xcamel> FlatulentOS

17:25 <CoderForLife> heh

17:25 <PovAddict> "store your data in the cloud, and let it fall on somebody's house as rain!"

17:25 <CoderForLife> only the MS version, xcamel

17:31 <CoderForLife> that's not rain, that's security breach tears, PovAddict

17:32 <bigt0242000> lol

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17:37 <CoderForLife> wall topped out today

17:37 <PovAddict> that's going fast

17:38 <CoderForLife> although the image is too bright due to the white rock on top, you can make out the orange outline of part of my patio

17:38 <CoderForLife> it lines up nearly perfect with the bend in the wall

17:38 <CoderForLife> =)

17:40 <bigt0242000> so is Synecdoche going to have any features from boincview built-in? or maybe added as an addon?

17:41 <PovAddict> maybe... eventually... some day...

17:41 <bigt0242000> lol

17:41 <xcamel> got your camera back up?

17:41 <CoderForLife> yesy

17:41 <PovAddict> it's hard to add multihost features to the current code MESS

17:41 <CoderForLife> er yes

17:41 <bigt0242000> that's understandable

17:41 <CoderForLife> I'll add some pics also

17:41 <PovAddict> we've spent more time cleaning up than fixing/adding stuff :)

17:42 <bigt0242000> any screenies yet?

17:42 <xcamel> did it snow?

17:42 <bigt0242000> snow?

17:42 <Romulus> snow is fun, bigt0242000

17:43 <xcamel> you have to see the camera image...

17:43 <xcamel> and I had a hell of an idea, but day late, dollar short, as usual.

17:44 <PovAddict> bigt0242000: well, there is a screenshot of the new preferences dialog

17:44 <PovAddict> but it needs work, so it won't be on our first release

17:44 <PovAddict>

17:44 <Romulus> <> (at

17:45 <bigt0242000> looks good

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17:46 <bigt0242000> better than the crazy one i have now

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17:46 <xcamel> he had to do all that digging and filling - add a bit of insulation, and what a tremendous mass heat storage container that would have been...

17:46 <Tank_Master> snow is lots of fun!

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17:47 <xcamel> 20 tons of dry crushed limestone... oh boy..

17:47 <bigt0242000> oh boy is right lol

17:48 <xcamel> closed loop heatpump and Viola!

17:50 <Tank_Master> :)

17:51 <Tank_Master> gonna hook up your PC's water colling to it?

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18:06 <CoderForLife> got tons of homew@#% to do - I need to drop off for the evening

18:06 <CoderForLife> tc foks

18:27 <xcamel> re back

18:28 <Tank_Master> re wb

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18:44 <ergZay> PovAddict: well there will be changes coming on computer technology in the future

18:44 <ergZay> as we'll all have desktop super computers

18:44 <PovAddict> why have desktop supercomputers if all apps are HTML-based thin clients?

18:44 <ergZay> so things that used to take too many cycles to do live before, will now become possible to do live

18:45 <ergZay> i dont think cloud computing will ever really happen

18:45 <PovAddict> hopefully

18:45 <ergZay> unless new security technologies come along

18:46 <ergZay> that revoltuionize as much as private/public key cryptography

18:46 <ergZay> did

18:46 <ergZay> as cloud computing makes it all too easy for big brother to peek

18:47 <ergZay> rather i think even more stuff will become desktop oriented

18:47 <ergZay> but everything that is desktop oriented will nave a piece that is on the network

18:47 <Tank_Master> why do you think google wahts cloud computing?

18:48 <ergZay> google isnt malicious

18:48 <Tank_Master> indeed

18:48 <PovAddict> it just wants your private data

18:48 <PovAddict> to give you targeted advertising

18:48 <Tank_Master> and everything else

18:49 <ergZay> their "feeling" or "internal people policy" or whoever you want to term it, i can think of a good word for it isnt for doing that

18:49 <ergZay> if you look at the history of google extensively they were never terribly out to make money, except for the one incident with whats that company called

18:50 <ergZay> the one that they stole from, the one they later settled with, that they got their advertising technology from

18:50 <PovAddict> doubleclick?

18:50 <Tank_Master> gator

18:50 <Tank_Master> :P

18:50 <ergZay> i think they had "go" in their name

18:50 <ergZay> no wasnt gator

18:51 <ergZay> gator is nonsense

18:51 <ergZay> read up on google history

18:51 <ergZay> if you ever see it on tv again, watch it, a series called "download: the true story of the internet" or something like that

18:51 <ergZay> very good overview

18:52 <ergZay> covers the netscape vs microsoft fiasco, the internet bubble and crash, google rising to power, and things like youtube, craigs list, wikipedia, etc coming up

18:52 <ergZay> and digg

18:53 <Tank_Master> never used digg

18:53 <ergZay> its also the first place ive ever ever seen anything villanize microsoft

18:53 <ergZay> on tv atleast

18:53 <Tank_Master> never saw the point in it

18:53 <ergZay> anyway

18:54 <ergZay> somethings will go further into cloud computing but some things that are trying to call themselves that will fail

18:54 <ergZay> youtube is going to get bigger and better

18:54 <ergZay> digg i dunno

18:54 <Tank_Master> esp if they include porn

18:54 <ergZay> wikipedia could either go the wrote of big media as its started to go or clean itself up and go back to a source for real information

18:55 <ergZay> theres a line between avoiding controversial information in pages and getting so anti controversy that you become like a newspaper in terms of information

18:55 <ergZay> too standardized

18:55 <Tank_Master> yeah

18:55 <ergZay> wikipedia has gone too far and looks like its continuing to go farther in some ways

18:56 <xcamel> ok... why would my linux box be doing burst uploads to msnbot?

18:56 <ergZay> exact reason i cant trust at all any of their pages on environmental science, religion, politics or any other "popular" topics

18:57 <ergZay> their math and science pages are quite good though

18:57 <xcamel> wikipedia has become a joke

18:57 <PovAddict> xcamel: because msnbot is crawling your webpage?

18:58 <ergZay> im just waiting to see what happens to the world (including wikipedia) when the bomb drops that global "climate change" (as they are calling it now as they dont know wth is going on) gets revealed as the hoax it is

18:58 <ergZay> will be interesting as so many companies and even governments now have poured so much $$$ into it

18:58 <xcamel> right on the money, erg.

18:59 <xcamel> the politics of fear...

18:59 <ergZay> some things like research into real renewable energy, like solar panel research (wind or water turbines not so much) will still remain though

18:59 <xcamel> alternate energy is great, but the world will not run on it for a very long time.

18:59 <ergZay> whenever science starts getting media attention its a big warning light

19:00 <ergZay> xcamel: just isnt enough of it

19:00 <xcamel> this thing >>

19:00 <xcamel> I can't seem to block it either.

19:00 <PovAddict> the bot is downloading from your website = your webserver is uploading pages to the bot

19:00 <xcamel> (not smart enough to remember how)

19:01 <ergZay> well we're either going to go into a forced depression if things get too green, or people will wake up and realize what a godsend nuclear power really is and how idiotically un-dangerous it really is and start using that a ton

19:01 <PovAddict> xcamel: I heard msnbot downloads robots.txt, parses it, then ignores it and crawls the hell out of your site anyway

19:01 <ergZay> or if no nuclear

19:01 <ergZay> as oil runs out (if its really running out, which is debatable) we will all switch to coal

19:01 <ergZay> and then things will get really ungreen

19:02 <ergZay> as thats basically unlimited

19:02 <ergZay> have any of the schools or universites you guys go to started going nuts over trying to save paper?

19:03 <ergZay> my college has started and i keep considering going to the dean and telling them that every bit of paper they use isnt really destory forests, its grown on tree farms that are repeatedly cut down and regrown <_<

19:03 <ergZay> go take a drive in the north western USA

19:04 <Tank_Master> pov, no thats the googlebot that does it

19:04 <ergZay> btw should i shut up now?

19:04 <PovAddict> googlebot does listen to robots.txt, if you set it correctly

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19:05 <ergZay> robots.txt isnt really a standard or a mandate, its just policy that search engines follow it

19:07 <Didactylos> ergZay: a) old growth is better. b) recycling has a high energy cost. c) buying paper costs money!

19:08 <ergZay> Didactylos: well if they are really trying to save money they arent saying it

19:08 <ergZay> its all green green green

19:09 <ergZay> in my friend's class the teach said "well because several of you will drop this class i wont be handing out the sylabus today because i want to save paper"

19:09 <Tank_Master> more they malke, the mroe than can give to their liberal lobietst

19:09 <Didactylos> Environmentalists sometimes work at cross purposes. Makes them look kind of silly....

19:10 <Didactylos> For example, someone was claiming plastic carrier bags are only a miniscule fraction of our annual carbon footprint.

19:10 <ergZay> the two types of fanatics that get me the most angry

19:10 <xcamel> a) old growth is better. << than what?

19:10 <ergZay> are 1. the anti-moon landing conspiratists, and 2. anti-nuclear environmentalists

19:10 <Didactylos> Perfectly true, but that's not the reason we want to cut down on them.

19:10 <Didactylos> ergZay: seconded.

19:11 <ergZay> i could care less about carbon footprint

19:11 <ergZay> i dont litter of course as that makes things messy

19:11 <xcamel> Carlin was right - the earth will be just fine, however, people are fsck'd

19:11 <Didactylos> The anti-nuclear jokers seem to still be living in the cold war.

19:12 <xcamel> 'china syndrome' junkies...

19:12 <Didactylos> You should care about your carbon footprint. It will save you money, AND save the planet.

19:12 <ergZay> rather is houdl say anti-nuclear power environmentalists

19:12 <ergZay> is wha ti meant

19:12 <ergZay> what i*

19:12 <ergZay> Didactylos: i care about my carbon footprint if it helps save me money

19:12 <ergZay> but then thats just saving money

19:12 <xcamel> carbon footpriint... another galactic hoax...

19:12 <ergZay> so im all for flourescent and led light bulbs

19:12 <ergZay> as they are cheaper in the long term

19:12 <ergZay> xcamel: seconded

19:13 <Didactylos> Yes, but they equate energy with missiles. They always draw nuclear bombs into their argument.

19:13 <ergZay> but i only go for cheaper and less carbon when its a convienince

19:13 <xcamel> flourescent and led light bulbs << contain deadly toxins you can't easily dispose of.

19:13 <ergZay> i wont be biking to school to save from driving and producing that excess c02

19:13 <Didactylos> So, you don't care about melting the planet?

19:13 <ergZay> thats a myth that the planet will melt

19:13 <Didactylos> It's no myth.

19:14 <ergZay> yes way a myth

19:14 <Tank_Master> yeah it is

19:14 <Didactylos> The Arctic has lost 2 million square kilometers of ice already.

19:14 <Tank_Master> there no way itll melt the planet

19:14 <Didactylos> 2 million!

19:14 <Tank_Master> it already it

19:14 <PovAddict> I'd bike to avoid walking...

19:14 <xcamel> like mercury and gallium, and arsenic, and selenium

19:14 <ergZay> Didactylos: and a good portion of those came back this last winter

19:14 <Didactylos> And Greenland is melting far, far faster than the most doom-and-gloom predictions.

19:14 <Tank_Master> the artic ice sheet is 13% larger this year than last year

19:14 <Didactylos> ergZay: no, it didn't.

19:15 <xcamel> the arctic was melting mostly because of undersea volcanos... not "global warming"

19:15 <ergZay> Didactylos: here let me pull up the article

19:15 * PovAddict still hasnt learned to drive and has no interest

19:15 <Didactylos> Tank_Master: you have been listening to liars.

19:15 <Tank_Master> heh

19:15 <Tank_Master> nasa is a lier?

19:15 <ergZay>

19:15 <Tank_Master> you can lie about facts

19:15 <Romulus> <> (at

19:15 <Didactylos> The amount of ice in the Arctic is almost the same as last year.

19:15 <Tank_Master> says who?

19:15 <Didactylos> It is just spread out more, because it is THINNER

19:15 <Tank_Master> the media?

19:15 <Romulus> hmm... the media are quite happy to bash Democrats. Didn't you notice, Tank_Master

19:15 <Didactylos> No.

19:15 <Didactylos> There are three measures of ice.

19:16 <Didactylos> Extent, area, and thickness.

19:16 <xcamel> and density

19:16 <Didactylos> Extent is the amount of water with more than 15% ice.

19:16 <Didactylos> This year, the ice is more spread out than last year.

19:16 <Didactylos> But that's not what should be worrying you.

19:16 <ergZay> i hope you know when they do those caclualtions

19:16 <ergZay> they never take into effect snowfall that is rebuilding the ice

19:17 <Didactylos> Last year, melt conditions were exceptional. A "perfect storm".

19:17 <xcamel> currently, smaller area, thicker ice, higher density, more total ice mass.

19:17 <ergZay> every single pro-global warming article i have seen talkes about area

19:17 <ergZay> and thats all

19:17 <ergZay> not one thing about thickness

19:17 <Didactylos> This year, melt conditions were average. But just as much ice melted! (More, in fact.)

19:17 <xcamel> read this >>

19:17 <Romulus> <> (at

19:17 <Didactylos> ergZay: Want some sources?

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19:17 <ergZay> Didactylos: its easy to find sources

19:18 <ergZay> there are too many

19:18 <Didactylos> The ice thickness at the pole has dropped by metres over the last years.

19:18 <ergZay> problem is which are real

19:18 <ergZay> which is the problem

19:18 <xcamel> wrong... the ice is thicker.

19:18 <Tank_Master> its not the thickness that matters

19:18 <Didactylos> Would you trust the National Snow and Ice Data Center?

19:18 <Tank_Master> the sufice area is what reflects light

19:18 <xcamel> and much more dense.

19:18 <Tank_Master> not how thick it is

19:19 <Didactylos> Correct. But thin ice is more vulnerable to melting completely.

19:19 <Tank_Master> then why didnt it?

19:20 <Didactylos> An awful lot of it did.

19:20 <ergZay> Didactylos: read this

19:20 <ergZay>

19:20 <Romulus> <> (at

19:20 <Didactylos> monckton is a moron.

19:20 <ergZay> i like this diagram best

19:20 <xcamel> the satellite photos from 1978 to current show no net loss of ice in square area...

19:20 <ergZay>

19:20 <Romulus> <> (at

19:20 <Didactylos> An unqualified moron, at that

19:20 <ergZay> Didactylos: ad hominum

19:20 <Didactylos> True, though.

19:20 <xcamel> I don't know where you are getting your data..

19:21 <Didactylos> He has NO qualifications at all.

19:21 <Didactylos> He's not a scientist, he's a hobbyist.

19:21 <ergZay> Didactylos: i could care for crap about qualificiations

19:21 <Didactylos> Ah!

19:21 <Didactylos> Well, one of those people.

19:21 <Tank_Master> o.O?

19:21 <xcamel> the photos don't lie.

19:21 <Tank_Master> aye, that you are, Didactylos

19:21 <ergZay> qualifications are just a way to keep certain people out of certain areas

19:21 <Didactylos> No doubt you think your opinion has equal weight with a qualified opinion?

19:21 <ergZay> its government nonsense

19:22 <ergZay> Didactylos: no as i dont know what im talking about

19:22 <Didactylos> No, it's about spending a lifetime studying the subject.

19:22 <Tank_Master> qualification is just a way to bias the information presented

19:22 <ergZay> the problem with "qualifications" is that if you know the right people

19:22 <ergZay> you can get qualifications

19:22 <ergZay> for free

19:22 <ergZay> they arent absolute by any means

19:22 <ergZay> is my main point

19:22 <Tank_Master> but the thing is that if you study in a univiersity, you are studing biased information

19:22 <ergZay> einstien had next to no qualifications when he wrote his theory

19:23 <Didactylos> And if you buy your qualifications, real scientists will mock you, and you'll never get published.

19:23 <ergZay> Didactylos: i didnt say buy

19:23 <Tank_Master> morons get published every day

19:23 <ergZay> i meant buddy network

19:23 <xcamel>

19:23 <Romulus> <> (at

19:23 <Didactylos> Peer review is the important mechanism in academic research.

19:24 <ergZay> peer review is also a way to keep people out who are against the agenda certain people are trying to push

19:24 <Didactylos> Rubbish sinks into obscurity, good papers get cited.

19:24 <ergZay> also if you get refused then there is a huge amount of scorn

19:24 <Didactylos> Wow.

19:24 <ergZay> so its mass scale bullying to anyone who tries to publish anti-global warming

19:24 <Didactylos> You're a load of paranoid idiots.

19:24 <Didactylos> Bye!

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19:24 <xcamel> that's why 31,000 accredited scientists signed the paper stating that AGW was a hoax.

19:24 <ergZay> lol

19:24 <ergZay> that guy

19:24 <ergZay> another global warming know-it-all

19:24 <ergZay> seen a million

19:25 <xcamel> like Hanson, from nasa

19:25 <xcamel> friggin fear-monger

19:25 <ergZay> xcamel: anyway what were those links you were giving

19:25 <ergZay> im good on information low on citations i can give people

19:25 <xcamel> links that prove the "big ice melt" is also a hoax...

19:26 <ergZay> i still love this image

19:26 <ergZay>

19:26 <Romulus> <> (at

19:26 <xcamel> cryosphere today is one of the best.

19:27 <ergZay> im not comletely saying global warming is a hoax, i still think there is a small possibility that its true

19:27 <ergZay> but when i see people waving their hands a lot

19:27 <ergZay> warning flag

19:29 <xcamel> miklonovich(sp) cycles

19:29 <ergZay> the interesting thing that graph

19:29 <ergZay> is the first time ive ever seen a graph of average global temperature over millions of years

19:29 <ergZay> they never ever give it

19:30 <xcamel> 80-85% of the interseasonal melt in the last 10 years has been attributed to the undersea volcanos at the MA rift up to the pole

19:30 <ergZay> yea thats the kind of real information i want

19:30 <ergZay> its hard as heck to find anywhere though

19:31 <ergZay> im 19 and of i guess what you could say younger generation that has grown up completely in global warming propaganda

19:32 <xcamel> some place the subice rise was +8C because of the rising 700C water from the vents

19:32 <xcamel> places, that is..

19:32 <ergZay> the problem with the averages given for global temp

19:32 <ergZay> in order to have true averages you have to take them everywhere

19:33 <ergZay> and if you dont have enough errors can affect things much more

19:33 <ergZay> and if you dont have enough, errors can affect things much more*

19:33 <ergZay> forgot the comma

19:33 <ergZay> so if you stick a sensor righ ton top of a heat vent

19:33 <ergZay> and dont take it out

19:34 <ergZay> things are going to skew

19:34 <ergZay> a lot

19:34 <xcamel> in the US - they audited the NIST certified weather stations, and found 80% of them badly out of spec, and placed in spots that are prone to get abnormally hot.

19:34 <ergZay> lol rly?

19:34 <ergZay> linkie?

19:34 <xcamel> exactly like you said..

19:34 <ergZay> i wana bookmark that one

19:35 <xcamel> just a sec...

19:35 <ergZay> btw where do you work/attend?

19:37 <xcamel> one news story... >>

19:37 <Romulus> <> (at

19:37 <ergZay> where do you work or attend school at?

19:37 <ergZay> just out of curiosity

19:38 <xcamel> I have been an amateur professional meteorologist for 35 years (as a hobby)

19:38 <ergZay> oh nice

19:38 <ergZay> my dad has been doing that himself somwhat

19:38 <xcamel> storm chaser, severe weather, lightning studies, etc..

19:38 <ergZay> he was doing ham radio severe weather spotting for a while

19:38 <ergZay> nothing like that of course

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19:39 <ergZay> PovAddict: oh hey

19:39 <ergZay> me and xcamel just scared away didactylos

19:39 <xcamel> the best science is this...

19:39 <efc> moo

19:39 <PovAddict> ergZay: why do you think *I* quit the channel?

19:39 <ergZay> for the same reason?

19:40 <Tank_Master> ?

19:40 <ergZay> anyway

19:40 <xcamel>

19:40 <Romulus> <> (at

19:40 <xcamel> Milankovitch Cycles

19:41 <PovAddict> my IRC client doesn't let me disable message notifications for only channels with flamewars, so my other choices are quitting the channel or disabling notifications globally

19:41 <xcamel> you need to widen your life focus, PoV

19:43 * CoderForLife wanders back

19:43 <CoderForLife> did I miss something?

19:44 <Soul_keeper> nothing has changed in 2yrs here

19:44 <CoderForLife> hmm

19:45 <xcamel> global warming debate..

19:45 <Tank_Master> lol

19:45 <CoderForLife> I see that

19:45 <xcamel> phun while it lasted..

19:45 <CoderForLife> heh

19:45 <Tank_Master> some say it doesnt exists

19:45 <CoderForLife> got a bit hot

19:45 <Tank_Master> others say its mans fault

19:45 <Tank_Master> others dont agree

19:45 <xcamel> it may exists, but man didn't cause it.

19:45 <Tank_Master> thats the basic sum of it

19:45 <ergZay> i think this is the first time ive argued against global warming that i havent had 20 people on top of me

19:45 <ergZay> makes me happy that atlest some people exist that also share that view

19:46 <xcamel> because there are adults here.

19:46 <Tank_Master> lol

19:46 <ergZay> lol

19:46 <Tank_Master> I thing global warming can exists

19:46 <ergZay> yes thats probably why

19:46 <ergZay> i tend to argue in anime related IRC channels

19:46 <xcamel> ...who remember the last "global crisis"

19:46 <ergZay> over on

19:46 <CoderForLife> OK  at least things are status quo here

19:46 <ergZay> when i get into arguments

19:46 <xcamel> and the one before that...

19:46 <Tank_Master> but seeing as to the fast the global temp at one point was 160f...

19:47 <xcamel> and at one point it was -24C

19:47 <Tank_Master> leads me to believe its quite nateral to fluxuate more and 1f at all

19:47 <CoderForLife> back to my w@#% homew@#%

19:47 <xcamel> 'snowball earth'

19:47 <Tank_Master> thats true to, xcamel

19:47 <ergZay> im just hoping that at some point there will be an end to this madness

19:47 <Tank_Master> hence my point... :P

19:47 <CoderForLife> need to get it done before the next ice sheet melts at my front door

19:47 <CoderForLife> laterz

19:47 <ergZay> i couldnt stand it if it continues to get even bigger with more people raging about it

19:48 <Tank_Master> not as long as the demicratic envirnmentelets controle the media

19:48 <Tank_Master> hf CoderForLife

19:48 <ergZay> xcamel: how long did the global cooling crazy fest last?

19:48 <xcamel> politicians need 'global crisis' to dig that cash out of your wallet..

19:48 <PovAddict> ok clearly the flam^H^H^H^H discussions hasn't ended here

19:48 <ergZay> the one back a decade or two before i was born

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19:48 <xcamel> about 12-12 years..

19:48 <Tank_Master> thnk god he left

19:48 <Tank_Master> we can stop now

19:48 <Tank_Master> :P

19:49 <ergZay> 12-12?

19:49 <xcamel> lol 10-12

19:49 <ergZay> ah k

19:49 <ergZay> and how long has global warming been going now

19:49 <xcamel> the worst back around 1979

19:49 <xcamel> and the "ozone hole"

19:49 <ergZay> well that was real

19:49 <xcamel> and nuclear winter..

19:50 <ergZay> ozone hole was real, and atleast partially human caused

19:50 <ergZay> the CFC stoppage show that i think

19:50 <xcamel> now they know it was not causes by CFC's

19:50 <ergZay> what?

19:50 <ergZay> i haven't heard that

19:50 <ergZay> my biology class 3 years ago or so which was very pro-global warming said global warming had nothing to dow ith it

19:50 <xcamel> it was caused by high levels of solar ionized radiation at the south pole

19:50 <ergZay> they went out of their way to say that

19:51 <ergZay> oh rly?

19:51 <Tank_Master> "but the world is safer now, so we wont talk about the fact that we were wrong, for the public thinks it was the right thing to do" - the media

19:51 <xcamel> man is an extremely vain and arrogant species.

19:51 <ergZay> Tank_Master: of course

19:51 <Tank_Master> :)

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19:52 <ergZay> ive been watching science channel over the past couple years

19:52 <Tank_Master> thats basicly what they said about the tet offensive when they reported it faild and it didnt

19:52 <xcamel> and "people" believe they have to "matter"

19:52 <ergZay> the shows keep getting more and more wild about global warming

19:52 <ergZay> most recent one was different ways of "stopping" global warming

19:52 <ergZay> from things like

19:52 <Tank_Master> you should see the new "stuff happens"

19:52 <ergZay> raining planting trees, giant sheets of plastic over the glaciers to stop them from melting, air turbines on blimps

19:52 <ergZay> crazy stuff

19:53 <ergZay> and this makes it to science channel <_<

19:53 <Tank_Master> its way to "human's fault for every thing"

19:53 <xcamel> therefore, man thinks he causes the things he really doesn't control, and believes he can "fix" them.

19:53 <Tank_Master> what good is air turbins on blimps?

19:53 <ergZay> dont ask me

19:53 <Tank_Master> lol

19:53 <ergZay> some guy said it was good

19:53 <ergZay> he wanted to fill the air with em

19:54 <ergZay> put em on tethers

19:54 <xcamel> usually, just ending up making everything worse, or making everyone miserable

19:54 <ergZay> as then they can get really high

19:54 <ergZay> tog et high altitude wind

19:54 <ergZay> only thing i thought of

19:54 <ergZay> umm what about air traffic

19:54 <Tank_Master> and do what? move the air?

19:54 <Tank_Master> dont it alreay do that on its own?

19:54 <ergZay> Tank_Master: no i mean to make electricity

19:54 <Tank_Master> aahh

19:54 <Tank_Master> ok

19:54 <Tank_Master> still stupid :P

19:54 <ergZay> yes still silly though

19:54 <ergZay> yea

19:54 <xcamel> one of the largest sources of energy without much downside is tidal and ocean currents

19:55 <ergZay> debatable

19:55 <xcamel> but they mostly ignore that...

19:55 <xcamel> it's just too obvious.

19:55 <ergZay> durability of the turbines is a problem

19:55 <Tank_Master> its expensive

19:55 <Tank_Master> do to the corrosive nature of the salt water and needing to replace them so often

19:55 <ergZay> tital water is going to be filled with barnacles

19:55 <xcamel> not really... we use hydro power all the time

19:56 <Tank_Master> best thing so far is nuclear

19:56 <ergZay> yes but its a litlte more protected there

19:56 <ergZay> Tank_Master: seconded

19:56 <ergZay> with the longshot nuclear fusion at some point in the future

19:56 <xcamel> agreed on that - PBR reactors - nearly 100% idiot proof.

19:56 <Tank_Master> small land footprint, large energy return

19:56 <ergZay> also im all for fuel recycling

19:57 <ergZay> which i think USA is the only country that doesnt

19:57 <ergZay> because they were afraid the soviets would steal it

19:57 <Tank_Master> the spent fuel rods?

19:57 <ergZay> which is moot now

19:57 <xcamel> literally a pile of softball sized tungsten-ceramic balls with fissile material inside

19:57 <ergZay> Tank_Master: yea reprocess them to recover the good fuel

19:57 <ergZay> waste takes way less space then

19:57 <Tank_Master> yeah

19:57 <Tank_Master> fance does that

19:58 <Tank_Master> something like 97% is still good

19:58 <ergZay> yea

19:58 <xcamel> thorium reactors produce **no** radioactive waste..

19:58 <Tank_Master> 3% waste

19:58 <ergZay> "spent" is a misnomer

19:58 <ergZay> xcamel: how can that be?

19:58 <Tank_Master> ehh, its what people call them

19:58 <ergZay> what does the thorium turn into?

19:58 <xcamel> the material is completely used up

19:58 <ergZay> used up is a misnomer

19:59 <ergZay> what does it break into?

19:59 <ergZay> breaks into stable-only pieces?

19:59 <xcamel> neutrons/protone

19:59 <ergZay> decay*

19:59 <xcamel> protons

19:59 <ergZay> hogwash, thorium is huge, its not goint to completely go away

19:59 <xcamel> it's complicated - read up on it.

20:00 <xcamel> but it works

20:00 <ergZay> ive never heard of radioactivity that doesnt break up into lower elements

20:00 <xcamel> the remaining material is inert

20:00 <xcamel> like lead.

20:00 <ergZay> which element?

20:01 <MTughan> Seems the thorium slowly absorbs neutrons and turns into uranium, which can be used. At least right now.

20:01 <Tank_Master> wd40

20:01 <xcamel> I'd have to ho back and look it up - FR is testing one for power now.

20:01 <MTughan> Try this:

20:01 <Romulus> Title: Thorium fuel cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

20:01 <Tank_Master> whatever happened to your technological lead?

20:01 <ergZay> united states is both the best  country to live in and also in some ways the worst

20:01 <ergZay> drives me nuts

20:01 <ergZay> well not worst

20:01 <ergZay> but pretty bad

20:02 <Tank_Master> oh, right, socilists liberals gave it away and discourages more research

20:02 <ergZay> im a former conservative republican turned conservative liberterian

20:02 <xcamel>

20:03 <Romulus> Title: Thorium Reactors - A New Type of Nuclear Reactor (at

20:03 <ergZay> because republica party is becoming less and less conservative

20:03 <MTughan> Yep, seems that thorium-232 absorbs a neutron and becomes uranium-233, according to Wikipedia.

20:03 <ergZay> McCain is proof of that

20:03 <ergZay> but where is the energy gain?

20:03 <MTughan> It's abundant.

20:03 <ergZay> thats not fision

20:03 <Tank_Master> media picked mcCane

20:04 <Tank_Master> figuered he would be the easiest to win againce

20:04 <Tank_Master> but shows even the media makes stupid mistakes

20:04 <ergZay> i went for ron paul

20:04 <Tank_Master> :P

20:04 <xcamel> figuered he would be the easiest to win againce << against hitlery

20:04 <xcamel> RP is a nutjob

20:04 <Tank_Master> lol

20:04 <ergZay> maybe but i didnt see anyone better in either primary

20:05 <xcamel> and his twin brother on the left - cause-an-itch

20:05 <Tank_Master> I hope obination doesnt make it

20:05 <MTughan> Thorium isn't active enough to produce fission on its own, but apparently can be induced by shooting protons at it. According to the last link.

20:05 <MTughan> Seems I'm behind the conversation though... And I'm not interested in US politics.

20:05 <Tank_Master> nice

20:05 <xcamel> PBR's are the next step better...

20:05 <MTughan> We have our own election going on now anyway.

20:05 <Tank_Master> MTughan - me neither

20:05 <xcamel> and they can't melt down...

20:05 <Tank_Master> people areound are way to much though

20:08 <xcamel> "US Government is the worst on earth - except for all the others"

20:11 <Soul_keeper>,news-2587.html

20:11 <Romulus> <> (at

20:15 <ergZay> xcamel: thats a reworking of whts-his-name the WW2 british prime minister

20:15 <ergZay> the "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others"

20:16 <MTughan> ergZay: Churchill?

20:16 <ergZay> ah yea

20:16 <ergZay> couldnt remember his nme

20:16 <MTughan> Winston Churchill, yeah.

20:16 <ergZay> Soul_keeper: nice link lol

20:17 <ergZay> all those darn catholic liberals lol

20:18 <Soul_keeper> :)

20:18 <ergZay> (not saying all liberals are catholic of course)

20:18 <Soul_keeper> i wish we could still smoke on planes

20:18 <ergZay> im glad you cant

20:18 <Tank_Master> eww

20:18 <ergZay> i cant stand cig smoke

20:18 <MTughan> I'm with the other two.

20:18 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats the worst thing

20:18 <ergZay> makes me gag

20:19 <Soul_keeper> i think the smell of tobacco is the best scent there is

20:19 <xcamel> then don't fly...

20:19 <MTughan> And if you get enough over your lifetime, you can get cancer as well.

20:19 * Tank_Master thinks the sell of cigeretts should be banned

20:19 <xcamel> I guess we should ban sunshine then...

20:19 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

20:19 <MTughan> xcamel: To England? How would I do that if I didn't fly?

20:19 <ergZay> i would be fine for adding a section in the back

20:19 <ergZay> with filtration system

20:19 <xcamel> tough -

20:19 <Tank_Master> I wouldnt mind banning sunshine

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20:19 <xcamel> sunshine causes cancer...

20:19 <Tank_Master> MTughan - by boat

20:19 <Tank_Master> duh

20:19 <Tank_Master> :P

20:19 <ergZay> Tank_Master: same here

20:20 <MTughan> Thanks...

20:20 <Tank_Master> lol

20:20 <xcamel> kills you much faster than cigarettes too...

20:20 <Soul_keeper> too many people cry and complain about other people's business and the slightest disturbance

20:20 <MTughan> Some of us don't have two months to spend on travelling along, let alone sightseeing once you get there.

20:20 <Soul_keeper> not enough fights to the death in society to uphold one's freedoms

20:20 <xcamel> then put up with the smoke.

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20:20 <MTughan> I don't have to. No smoking on planes.

20:21 <xcamel> don't worry... you're next.

20:21 <MTughan> For what?

20:21 <Tank_Master> MTughan- you can sigh see on the boat

20:21 <xcamel> food police, thought police - oh wait - you already have that in Canada...

20:22 <Tank_Master> lol

20:22 <MTughan> Tank_Master: "Oh look! Water! And more water! And more water..."

20:22 <MTughan> Hey, we ain't socialist.

20:22 <Tank_Master> oh hay, a wave!

20:22 <MTughan> Maybe a marooned sailor?

20:22 <Soul_keeper> they outlawed smoking on the beach here, and outlawed smoking in public completely in the next city over

20:22 <Tank_Master> then wahst the free healthcare for?

20:23 <Soul_keeper> can't smoke at football or baseball games, you have to leave the stadium

20:23 <Tank_Master> good

20:23 <Soul_keeper> if we all carried guns we wouldn't have this problem

20:23 <Tank_Master> but at that point, why not just ban smoking all together?

20:23 <xcamel> Heinlin was right

20:23 <Tank_Master> would save lives

20:23 <MTughan> Reminds me of a story my dad told me yesterday... NY Yankees were practicing for a game once when one of their players hit and killed a seagull with a baseball.

20:24 <MTughan> Toronto Police were going to charge him for it because it's illegal to kill a seagull in Toronto. xD

20:24 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master,  so you think it is the government's job to protect you from yourself ?

20:24 <Tank_Master> lol

20:24 <Tank_Master> Soul_keeper - problem is that others kill me with their smoke

20:24 <Tank_Master> so yes, that should be stoped

20:25 <Tank_Master> in washington, its not illegal to sell cigeretts that wont self extiguish with not in use

20:25 <Soul_keeper> unless they blow it in your face, then it shouldn't be a problem imo

20:25 <Tank_Master> just being in the room is a problem

20:25 <Soul_keeper> i guess we dissagree on this

20:26 <Tank_Master> probably

20:26 <Tank_Master> :)

20:26 <Soul_keeper> having separate smoking sections, was the first step in the process of appeasing the liberals, now they are getting everything they want

20:26 <xcamel> WHO proved there was no serious effects to 'second hand smoke' - but the report was buried.

20:27 <xcamel> 11,000 people studied worldwide

20:27 <xcamel> some up to 40 years...

20:27 <Soul_keeper> emissions from a car exhaust are likely far worse

20:27 <BadBarbarian_> hoe

20:27 <BadBarbarian_> !hoe

20:27 <Tank_Master> wrong channel, bb

20:27 <BadBarbarian_> opps

20:27 <Tank_Master> :P

20:28 <Soul_keeper> well i quit my job today ...

20:28 <Tank_Master> why?

20:28 <Soul_keeper> gave notice atleast

20:28 <Soul_keeper> because if i didn't quit i'd kill someone

20:28 <Tank_Master> sec not giving free blow jobs anymore?

20:28 <xcamel> to get away from the creep?

20:28 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:28 <Tank_Master> good reason

20:29 <Soul_keeper> i've done more work over the past 2yrs than the boss and all the other employees combined, yet i'm the lowest payed and least apreciated/respected

20:29 <Tank_Master> do less

20:29 <Tank_Master> then they have to do more

20:30 <Tank_Master> show them who is the real boss

20:30 <Tank_Master> though if you quit, then youll be doing less

20:30 <Soul_keeper> they would just cry and complain, i hate the sound of liberals crying, so i just do all the work

20:30 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:31 <Tank_Master> "but I dont want you to quit"

20:31 <Tank_Master> you "stbu, huh?"

20:31 <Soul_keeper> they'll beg me to come back, just like last time i quit

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20:32 <Soul_keeper> once they figure out that they have to actually do hard work, and can't just have me do it in 1/4th the time for 1/2 the pay they'll get desperate

20:32 <Tank_Master> :)

20:32 <Soul_keeper> i've had enough tho, i never wanted to be a painter

20:32 <xcamel> damn there has to be a way to block friggin msn...

20:33 <Tank_Master> which?

20:33 <Romulus> which is probably why I lost interest in Seti classic pretty quickly, Tank_Master

20:33 <Tank_Master> the webmessenger version, or the im?

20:33 <xcamel> their friggin robot scanner...

20:33 <efc> You guys have diarhea of the keyboard. I can't hope to catch up with all this oozle.

20:34 <efc> xcamel: Too late to sell poor baby Llama pickeled for $20 mil?

20:34 <xcamel> boring day, gutter talk

20:34 <xcamel> yeah.. right.

20:35 <efc> For $20 mil I'll pickle some kid off the street. Woulda been a criminal anyway.

20:36 <Soul_keeper> aig is now a branch of the government

20:36 <efc> I shall entitle it: "Post-birth control"

20:36 <Soul_keeper> the socialists are forking out 85 billion of our tax dollars

20:36 <xcamel> any ideas how to completely block msn robots? they're friggin killing me.

20:36 <efc> Yeah. i don't know whats more shocking. multi billion bailout, or federal employees working after 5 PM ?

20:37 <Tank_Master> lol

20:38 <xcamel> lol - T. Boondoggle PikinAmericasPockets

20:39 <xcamel> every time a different msft ip addy...

20:40 <Soul_keeper> xcamel, hitting your apache server ?

20:41 <efc> i've heard MS has got some bots going beserk, not sure what they're up to..

20:41 <Soul_keeper> those are web crawlers, you can setup a robots.txt file to deny them

20:41 <xcamel> just ignores it..

20:42 <infinisoft> MS DDoSing the nets? >_<

20:45 <xcamel> trying hosts.deny

20:46 <xcamel> ALL:msnbot.

20:46 <xcamel> and -

20:46 <xcamel>

20:47 <xcamel> network reload..

20:48 <xcamel> maybe now..

20:48 <xcamel> damn - it jumped it anyway.

20:51 <efc> ran 3 couple quarter miles, lousy times

20:51 <xcamel> too warm out?

20:53 <efc> just not putting out 100% for some reason

20:54 <efc> nice girl walking out there.. I need a long-distance wedding ring detector.

20:56 <Soul_keeper> efc, take the beer goggles off, they blurr vision :)

20:58 <efc> she's a tall thin blond

20:58 <efc> two notches out of range, at least

20:58 <Soul_keeper> go sit with her

21:00 <xcamel> laterz..

21:01 <efc> night X

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22:31 <MTughan_> Don't like to do that if I don't have to...

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