IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-09-23

00:00 <BadBarbarian> cpuis ?

00:00 <BadBarbarian> cpuid ?

00:00 <BadBarbarian> is it running ?

00:01 <nickuwo> si

00:02 <Tank_Master> id like some info on the mobo, see what CPUs it supports

00:02 <Tank_Master> and ram

00:04 <nickuwo> doesn't really tell me anything about the mobo

00:05 <Tank_Master> is it running windows right now?

00:05 <nickuwo> ubuntu server

00:06 <Tank_Master> ahh

00:06 <Tank_Master> in your program, does it at least state the shipste the motherbord has?

00:06 <Tank_Master> chipset*

00:07 <nickuwo> hmm

00:10 <nickuwo> gimme couple mins -- checking out boinc/ right now

00:10 <Tank_Master> ok

00:10 <Tank_Master> dont mine me

00:10 <Tank_Master> im used to people leaving me haning

00:10 <Tank_Master> hanging

00:10 <Tank_Master> :P

00:10 <nickuwo> sry dude :)

00:11 <Tank_Master> lol

00:11 <Tank_Master> no worries

00:11 <Tank_Master> im sure getting the project up is more important then wishing for upgrades

00:13 <nickuwo> I wish it was that - my ex-gf is talking my ear off as well - I can't concentrate!

00:13 <Tank_Master> lol

00:13 <nickuwo> hehe

00:14 <Tank_Master> are you in the states?

00:14 <nickuwo> ya, Wisconsin, u?

00:14 <Tank_Master> or

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00:15 <Tank_Master> makes getting you upgrades easier

00:15 <nickuwo> dude, that would be awesome - you really just have ram sittin around?

00:15 <Tank_Master> its high speed DDR400

00:16 <Tank_Master> I think I gave away all my ddr 33 already

00:16 <Tank_Master> id hate to waste the ram I have if your only running it at 266

00:16 <Tank_Master> 333*

00:16 <Tank_Master> I have load you up with more PC133 than you know what to do with :P

00:16 <nickuwo> haha

00:17 <nickuwo> good lord this girl can talk...

00:17 <Tank_Master> lol

00:18 <efc> I think I maxed out my PC100/133 machines..

00:18 <efc> or came close

00:19 <Tank_Master> I got 8 sticks of 128mb and 2 256...

00:19 <Tank_Master> PC133

00:20 <efc> i ended up with a bunch of spare CPUs from that generation

00:20 <Tank_Master> same here

00:20 <efc> spare 3/600 and 2/266

00:20 <Tank_Master> I literly have over 2 dozzen P3 1GHz

00:20 <efc> Wow hehe

00:21 <Tank_Master> and they should all still work

00:21 <efc> I wish a cheapo 16 CPU mb could be made since they are practically free

00:21 <Tank_Master> you need a 256gb IDE HD?

00:21 <efc> and their power efficiency isn't bad still

00:21 <efc> I can always use one..

00:21 <Tank_Master> err 250gb

00:22 <Tank_Master> would it be used for the project?

00:22 <efc> Probablt not hehe

00:22 <Tank_Master> heh

00:22 <Tank_Master> not that I have use for ide drives anymore

00:22 <efc> Don't worry about it, if I ever really need one I rattle the bushes

00:22 <Tank_Master> I got rid of all anything older than acore2

00:22 <efc> i don't even run my p3-600s anymore

00:23 <efc> except in winter when its cold

00:23 <Tank_Master> lol

00:23 <Tank_Master> ill be selling off my quads in a month or two

00:25 <efc> Core quads?

00:25 <Tank_Master> core2 yeah

00:25 <efc> You replacing them with core2pents ?

00:25 <Tank_Master> nehalems

00:25 <nickuwo> I thought I had a lot of computer crap...

00:26 <Tank_Master> lol

00:26 <nickuwo> :) spose it comes in handy tho

00:26 <Tank_Master> nick - can you use a 250GB hd?

00:26 <nickuwo> shit yea

00:26 <wdsmia> asks nickuwo to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

00:26 <Tank_Master> for your project?

00:26 <nickuwo> hehe

00:27 * Tank_Master asks wdsmia to shut the fuck up

00:27 <nickuwo> haha

00:27 * efc senses a loophole

00:27 <Tank_Master> lol

00:27 <nickuwo> it worked

00:27 <Tank_Master> or shit is bad, but not fuch

00:27 <wdsmia> asks Tank_Master to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

00:27 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:27 <nickuwo> wow... awesome :)

00:28 <Tank_Master> so, nick, the HD - would it be used for your project?

00:28 <efc> Johann Fux's Gradus Ad Parnassum is a famous treatise on counterpoint

00:28 <Tank_Master> and if so, how meny?

00:29 <efc> I got stuck on the fpga project, would have needed a pile of DDR2 if that had gone anywhere

00:30 <nickuwo> yes - lemme get this db running (it's got a 120GB in it) and if it eats up memory too quick I'll let ya know - again that's awfully nice of you

00:30 <Tank_Master> not like Im using this crap

00:30 <efc> Nehalem hasn't even come out yet has it?

00:30 <nickuwo> you should - start a boinc server :)

00:31 <Tank_Master> itll be out oct 28th or so

00:31 <Tank_Master> and run what?

00:31 <Tank_Master> no, I dont kow linux anyway

00:31 <nickuwo> it's all good, I didn't know linux in January

00:32 <nickuwo> now i do (kindof)

00:32 <Tank_Master> :P

00:34 <nickuwo> yikes 14 queries per second

00:34 <nickuwo> i think something is wrong besides my db

00:35 <Tank_Master> could be paul from starfire trying to return his few thousand WUs

00:35 <Tank_Master> from 7 different quads

00:35 <nickuwo> seriously?

00:35 <Tank_Master> about his quads? returning that much?

00:36 <Tank_Master> wouldnt supprise me

00:36 <Tank_Master> dunno what kind of impace that would have on the db though

00:36 <Tank_Master> impact*

00:36 <nickuwo> well perhaps I'll let it run all night and see if it gets any better

00:36 <Tank_Master> what kind of comp are you using now to run the project?

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00:38 <nickuwo> celeron 1.8GHz  750MB

00:38 <Tank_Master> eesh

00:39 <Tank_Master> what kind of ram?

00:39 <Tank_Master> now I really wish I haddent gotten rid of all my DDR33s :P

00:40 <Tank_Master> and if you can get me the socket type, ill ask around to see if anyone has a faster CPU laying around

00:40 <Tank_Master> between starfire and seti.usa, and those here, we should be abelt to get you upgraded easly

00:41 <nickuwo> http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=bph07944&lc=en&dlc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=214889

00:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4vr6gl> (at h10025.www1.hp.com)

00:41 <nickuwo> might be better to upgrade the vaio -- but maybe not

00:41 <Tank_Master> so you have a 512 and a 256MB stick now

00:41 <Tank_Master> no

00:42 <Tank_Master> it would be better to upgrade both and split off the db on the the sony

00:42 <Tank_Master> use both comps

00:42 <nickuwo> that works too

00:42 <Tank_Master> more secure and better performance

00:43 <efc> So you must be a bleeding edge type Tank? I never buy something within 6 months of it coming out :)

00:43 <Tank_Master> its obsolete in 6 months

00:43 <nickuwo> hehe

00:44 <Tank_Master> Ill sell you my "old" comps, hows that? :P

00:44 <efc> mine is from 2004

00:44 <efc> and its still 'enough'

00:44 <efc> except for BOINC, then never is never enough

00:45 <Tank_Master> ill be selling off a q9450, qx6700 and e6600 in 1-2 months

00:45 <Tank_Master> 4GB ram for the q9450, 2GB for the rest

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00:47 <efc> Nice.. I can't afford to turn them over that fast.. or won't

00:47 <Tank_Master> id like to get 1,500 for the 3

00:47 <Tank_Master> should be enough for 2 nehalmes

00:48 <Soul_keeper> lol

00:48 <Soul_keeper> they'll probably be on ebay for 200 bucks by then ...

00:48 <Tank_Master> lol

00:48 <Tank_Master> probably

00:48 <nickuwo> welp, I'm off to bed, later guys, taker easy

00:48 <Tank_Master> crags' list I hear can be more resonable

00:48 <Tank_Master> tc nickuwo

00:49 <Soul_keeper> craig's list can be kinda flakey, you might get robbed

00:49 <Tank_Master> any more info on hardware that you need, pm me here or on your board

00:49 <nickuwo> sounds good, thx

00:49 <Tank_Master> true

00:49 <Tank_Master> but I havent heard of that happening around here

00:50 <Soul_keeper> i've never sold a used computer, but my general experience is that people want nothing to do with used computers

00:50 <Tank_Master> Ive sold 3 dells

00:50 <Soul_keeper> cool

00:51 <Tank_Master> 1 e-bay, 1 to a team member, and well my parrent bought for my grandma

00:51 <efc> some people buy them at work here for $10 and sell em for 100-200 at the local fleemarket

00:51 <Tank_Master> e-bad was $350 and team memebr was $300 for a P4 system

00:52 <Soul_keeper> i need to get rid of my P4 and athlonxp    would probably only get maybe 300 for the pair ...  but yours are much newer

00:52 <Tank_Master> then I have sold a lot of mobo/cpu/ram combos on e-may for $150-200

00:53 <Tank_Master> Im hoping $750 for the q9450, $550 for the qx6700 and $350-450 for the e6600

00:54 <Soul_keeper> good luck

00:56 <Tank_Master> no kidden

00:56 <Tank_Master> these would be compleat systems w/o OS

00:58 <Tank_Master> 9/22/2008 9:58:07 PM|ramsey|Message from server: Completed result ramsey_1222094406_32_0 refused: result already reported as success

00:58 <Tank_Master> 9/22/2008 9:58:07 PM|ramsey|Message from server: Completed result ramsey_1222094406_33_0 refused: result already reported as success

00:59 <Tank_Master> strange

01:09 <efc> $275 for Q9400 2.66ghz/45nm right now

01:09 <Tank_Master> just the cpu?

01:09 <efc> yes

01:10 <Tank_Master> k

01:10 <Tank_Master> how much for a 9450

01:10 <efc> 9450 - $320

01:10 <Tank_Master> better :P

01:11 <Tank_Master> I have 4 GB ram, a 250$ mobo, still debating on which HDs to get rid of...

01:11 <efc> Do the 45s chew noticably less power than the 65s ?

01:11 <Tank_Master> yes

01:11 <efc> I think I remember that being the case even though the TDP didn't change

01:11 <Tank_Master> run hella cooler to

01:12 <Tank_Master> I have a thermaltake tsunmi, and even with the fan at the slowest speed, the heatsink is still coold

01:12 <Tank_Master> eben though the CPU is o.ced

01:17 <efc> Might get a new monitor first, that'll overtax my video card, and force me to upgrade everything else

01:18 <Tank_Master> LOL

01:18 <Tank_Master> nice

01:18 <efc> 17" lcd right now

01:19 <Tank_Master> im on a 21" crt and a 19" crt

01:19 <efc> I like the Dell 24 wides but the input lag scares me off

01:19 <Tank_Master> dual screan

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01:19 <Tank_Master> I want the dell 30"

01:20 <efc> the new 24 has around 40 ms of delay (input buffering, not smearing type delay)

01:20 <Tank_Master> ah

01:20 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:20 <Tank_Master> one area CRTs still domonate

01:21 <Tank_Master> that and color reproduction

01:21 <efc> I still like them pretty well, but don't think I'll get a new one (if I could even find a good new one)

01:21 <Tank_Master> yeah\

01:21 <Tank_Master> you do need a big desk

01:22 <efc> at $600 though I wish they didn't have to complicate my decision with that lag..

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01:24 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:26 <Tank_Master> kool

01:26 <Tank_Master> the nehalems have a turbo mode :P

01:27 <Tank_Master> increases the speed of the CPU by 266MHz when its not fully utilized

01:28 <efc> Above the box speed?

01:28 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:28 <efc> So you want it 99.9% used hehe

01:29 <Tank_Master> so long as the CPU is oprtating under its designed power level, it will increase the speed by 133 or 266MHz

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01:36 <Tank_Master> efc

01:36 <efc> moo?

01:36 <Tank_Master> http://www.anandtech.com/casecoolingpsus/showdoc.aspx?i=3413 <- middle of the page

01:36 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3svcw7> (at www.anandtech.com)

01:36 <Tank_Master> CPU Power Consumption

01:37 <Tank_Master> defently not a compleat listing

01:37 <efc> Ah, saw that but missed the cpu stuff

01:37 <Tank_Master> :P

01:38 <efc> 60 W, pretty good

01:38 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:38 <Tank_Master> at full load

01:44 <Tank_Master> wow

01:44 <Tank_Master> the cals in windows 7 has gotten a major upgrade

01:44 <Tank_Master> calc*

01:44 <Tank_Master> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubxErqnQ5R8&fmt=18

01:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4sh3wl> (at www.youtube.com)

01:52 <efc> Excellent, glad they got their priorities straight

01:59 <Tank_Master> wordpad has also had a major upgrade to it

02:00 <Tank_Master> its actually usefull on its won

02:00 <Tank_Master> own*

02:09 <efc> video card fan freezing up, brb i hope

02:09 <Tank_Master> gl

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02:23 <Tank_Master> have issues?

02:24 <efc> blew off the fan, added a drop of thick mineral oil, seems to be oj

02:24 <efc> ok

02:24 <Tank_Master> good

02:24 <efc> it was bogging down and then back up\

02:24 <Tank_Master> lol

02:24 <efc> 6 years old, needs a drop of oil a year or so..

02:24 <Tank_Master> blowing the dust is something I need to do one of these days

02:24 <Tank_Master> I havent done it all summer

02:25 <Tank_Master> and my window was open almost all the time

02:25 <efc> My trusty old GF4-4400..

02:25 <Tank_Master> LOL

02:25 <Tank_Master> man

02:26 <Tank_Master> I havent used anything that old in a LOONGG time

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02:26 <efc> pretty good use of the $220

02:26 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

02:26 <Tank_Master> &more

02:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 48.2F / 9.0C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear...becoming partly cloudy late. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the 40s. Light wind except northwest wind 5 mph near Columbia River.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 70 to 75. Light wind.; (1 more message)

02:26 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 45 to 50. Light wind.;

02:27 <Tank_Master> its 46 now

02:29 <Tank_Master> first time in months I havent had the fan going in my window

02:30 <efc> Wow, where is that?

02:30 <efc> &weather 31088

02:30 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 62F / 17C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Light northeast winds.; Tuesday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the mid 80s. Northeast winds 15 to 25 mph.; Tuesday Night - Clear. Lows in the upper 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

02:30 <Tank_Master> oregon

02:30 <Tank_Master> we dont have AC here

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02:33 * efc still needs to buy a place

02:34 <Tank_Master> :P

02:34 <efc> so i can do all my wild experiments

02:34 <efc> My bunker will have various antenna and radio telescopes..

02:34 <Tank_Master> lol

02:35 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:35 <efc> and solar collectors scattered aroun

02:35 <Tank_Master> sweet

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02:35 <Romulus> WB, Boss

02:35 * Tank_Master pushes Romulus into a crevasse

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03:10 <Tank_Master> ps3grid is somewhat up

03:12 <efc> studying for ham test.. it needs to be like, shorter or something

03:12 <Tank_Master> lol

03:13 <Tank_Master> so you want to be a smap operator...

03:13 <Tank_Master> spam*

03:18 <efc> Ham Spam?

03:18 <Tank_Master> something like that

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03:24 <efc> can pass the first one pretty easy and thought I'd try the second

03:25 <Tank_Master> hows your moris code?

03:25 <efc> Zero. Well, I know S and O.

03:26 <Tank_Master> lol

03:26 <Tank_Master> nice

03:27 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed

03:28 <efc> Night

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03:51 <efc> &math convert 100 kelvin to f

03:51 <Romulus> efc: Error: kelvin is not a valid unit.

03:51 <efc> &math convert 100 kelvins to f

03:51 <Romulus> efc: Error: kelvins is not a valid unit.

03:51 <Tidus> &math convert 100 k to f

03:51 <Romulus> Tidus: Error: k is not a valid unit.

03:51 <Tidus> hm...

03:52 <efc> &math convert 100 K to F

03:52 <Romulus> efc: -279.67

03:52 <Tidus> that works

03:52 <efc> &math convert 100 K to C

03:52 <Romulus> efc: -173.15

03:52 <efc> Chilly

03:52 <Tidus> lol

03:52 <efc> receiver temp for some seti calculations

03:53 <Tidus> i cant get boinc to run on my mac

03:53 <Tidus> it refuses to talk on the internet

03:53 <efc> Hmm..

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03:59 <Tidus> yeah, its weird

03:59 <Tidus> installs and runs just fine

03:59 <Tidus> just refuses to make any communication

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04:10 <efc> Hmm, maybe its a port # thing

04:16 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: 2008-09-19: BOINCstats - Unexpected downtime ~~ 2008-09-01: BOINCstats - Country deeplinks changed! ~~ 2008-08-22: BOINCstats - Database problems ~~ 2008-08-18: BOINCstats - New BOINCstats framework ~~ 2008-07-28: BOINCstats - Network problems ~~ 2008-07-25: BOINCstats - System Administrator Appreciation Day ~~ 2008-06-23: BAM! - Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised ~~ 2008-06-02: BOINCstats - BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Turkish ~~ 2008-05-11: BOINCstats - Unscheduled downtime ~~ 2008-04-28: BOINCstats - BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Brazilian Portuguese

04:19 <ELGono> lo eddie

04:23 <efc> moo ELGono

04:33 <ELGono> hows life across the pond?

04:33 <efc> Pretty good, sit back and relax as the rich people fight each other

04:34 <ELGono> hehe sounds good

04:34 <efc> Hitting the sack. Night ELGono.

04:34 <ELGono> sleep well efc

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04:35 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

04:35 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 45°F / 7°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 10:00 AM CEST; Chance of Rain. High:51 F. / 11 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 (1 more message)

04:48 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: 2008-09-19: BOINCstats - Unexpected downtime ~~ 2008-09-01: BOINCstats - Country deeplinks changed! ~~ 2008-08-22: BOINCstats - Database problems ~~ 2008-08-18: BOINCstats - New BOINCstats framework ~~ 2008-07-28: BOINCstats - Network problems ~~ 2008-07-25: BOINCstats - System Administrator Appreciation Day ~~ 2008-06-23: BAM! - Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised ~~ 2008-06-02: BOINCstats - BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Turkish ~~ 2008-05-11: BOINCstats - Unscheduled downtime ~~ 2008-04-28: BOINCstats - BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Brazilian Portuguese

04:49 <Tidus> &weather 72764

04:49 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 58.8F / 14.9C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1023.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the upper 50s. Light winds.; Tuesday - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs in the lower 80s. Light winds becoming south around 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tuesday Night - Clear. Lows (1 more message)

04:49 <Tidus> &more

04:49 <Romulus> Tidus: 54 to 60. Light winds.;

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05:36 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: BOINCstats: Unexpected downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Country deeplinks changed! ~~ BOINCstats: Database problems ~~ BOINCstats: New BOINCstats framework ~~ BOINCstats: Network problems ~~ BOINCstats: System Administrator Appreciation Day ~~ BAM!: Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Turkish ~~ BOINCstats: Unscheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Brazilian Portuguese ~~ BOINCstats: Pies... Want them in 2D or 3D? ~~ BAM!: Pimp your signature! ~~ BOINCstats: Team recruitment and the PM system ~~ BOINCstats: Results of the Top Team Stat in January 2008 ~~ BOINCstats: All new stats!! ~~ BOINCstats: Scheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected downtown ~~ BAM!: Enigma URL switch ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected system reboot ~~ BOINCstats: Planned maintenance

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06:29 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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07:15 <hawmps> &wx

07:15 <Romulus> hawmps: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

07:15 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:15 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 39.1F / 3.9C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs around 70. East winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 40s. Northeast winds around 5 mph in the evening...becoming light and variable.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. Southeast winds 5 to (1 more message)

07:15 <hawmps> &more

07:15 <Romulus> hawmps: 10 mph.;

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15:10 <yoyo_RKN> nickuwo: ?

15:28 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo

15:37 <yoyo_RKN> hi

15:37 <yoyo_RKN> where is nickuwo and how is his project running

15:37 <Tank_Master> its limping along

15:37 <Tank_Master> dunno where he is atm

15:37 <Tank_Master> he got a second comp yesterday that he is going to put the db onto

15:38 <Tank_Master> its a P4 2.66 with ht

15:38 <Tank_Master> with 512 mb ram:P

15:38 <Tank_Master> which is better than his current celert 1.8 with 768mb ram

15:39 <Tank_Master> celery*

15:39 <Tank_Master> aka celeron

15:41 <yoyo_RKN> ui

15:41 <yoyo_RKN> ramsey runs on a celeron

15:43 <Tank_Master> yep

15:43 <Tank_Master> P4 willamette type

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15:43 <yoyo_RKN> it like my start with yoyo@home

15:43 <Tank_Master> :)

15:44 <Tank_Master> I take it you have better comps now

15:44 <yoyo_RKN> running in a VM on my 1.7 Pentium with 500MB memory

15:45 <yoyo_RKN> at home

15:45 <Tank_Master> lol

15:45 <yoyo_RKN> now it is a root server with 1GB memory

15:45 <Tank_Master> ahh

15:45 <yoyo_RKN> memory is the most important thing

15:45 <Tank_Master> yep

15:46 <Tank_Master> if you ever need a comp, I got some ill be selling here soon

15:46 <Tank_Master> core2do or higher

15:49 <yoyo_RKN> first yoyo runs on our team server

15:49 <yoyo_RKN> until the overload crash end of January

15:49 <yoyo_RKN> now it is a own server

15:49 <Tank_Master> good

15:52 <Tank_Master> what kind of comp is it running on now?

15:57 <yoyo_RKN> http://serverbasar.de/rootserver_1118.html

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15:57 <Romulus> Title: SERVERBASAR - WARUM MEHR BEZAHLEN?! - In 4 Schritten zum eigenen Root Server! (at serverbasar.de)

16:00 <Tank_Master> and that take a anthlon 64 3700?

16:01 <Tank_Master> can*

16:02 <Tank_Master> though your not in the states, are you?

16:02 <Tank_Master> n/m

16:02 <Tank_Master> I got a 3700 I cant get rid of

16:06 * yoyo_RKN <<---- Germany

16:10 <Tank_Master> ahh

16:25 <yoyo_RKN> what about PovAddict's project

16:25 <yoyo_RKN> is it frozen or cancelled

16:25 <bigt0242000> what project?

16:25 <Romulus> Somebody said what project are we talking about, bigt0242000

16:26 <Tank_Master> imp

16:26 <Tank_Master> ?

16:26 <yoyo_RKN> yes

16:26 <Tank_Master> nothing has ran on that in at least a year

16:36 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

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16:41 <xcamel> 'lo

16:47 <Tank_Master> hi

16:48 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: BOINCstats: Unexpected downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Country deeplinks changed! ~~ BOINCstats: Database problems ~~ BOINCstats: New BOINCstats framework ~~ BOINCstats: Network problems ~~ BOINCstats: System Administrator Appreciation Day ~~ BAM!: Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Turkish ~~ BOINCstats: Unscheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Brazilian Portuguese ~~ BOINCstats: Pies... Want them in 2D or 3D? ~~ BAM!: Pimp your signature! ~~ BOINCstats: Team recruitment and the PM system ~~ BOINCstats: Results of the Top Team Stat in January 2008 ~~ BOINCstats: All new stats!! ~~ BOINCstats: Scheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected downtown ~~ BAM!: Enigma URL switch ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected system reboot ~~ BOINCstats: Planned maintenance

16:51 <bigt0242000> where in the world did that come from?

16:51 <Tank_Master> no clue

16:51 <xcamel> auto rss feed from BS/bam

16:52 <Tank_Master> why would rss have something the main page does not?

16:52 <bigt0242000> exactly

16:53 <xcamel> because bs provides a separate feed for headlines..

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16:53 <xcamel> and it's been broken for a while..

16:53 <bigt0242000> the first one listed is from the 19th

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17:04 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: BOINCstats: Unexpected downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Country deeplinks changed! ~~ BOINCstats: Database problems ~~ BOINCstats: New BOINCstats framework ~~ BOINCstats: Network problems ~~ BOINCstats: System Administrator Appreciation Day ~~ BAM!: Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Turkish ~~ BOINCstats: Unscheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Brazilian Portuguese ~~ BOINCstats: Pies... Want them in 2D or 3D? ~~ BAM!: Pimp your signature! ~~ BOINCstats: Team recruitment and the PM system ~~ BOINCstats: Results of the Top Team Stat in January 2008 ~~ BOINCstats: All new stats!! ~~ BOINCstats: Scheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected downtown ~~ BAM!: Enigma URL switch ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected system reboot ~~ BOINCstats: Planned maintenance

17:06 <xcamel> weird..

17:06 <bigt0242000> lol

17:21 <wdsmia> re-hi

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17:27 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

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17:32 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:34 <xcamel> woha - big news - Clay Aiken is gay.

17:35 <xcamel> where is Captian Obvious when you need him..

17:35 <bigt0242000> lol

17:35 <xcamel> woooosh!

17:36 <Romulus> New news from boincstats: BOINCstats: Unexpected downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Country deeplinks changed! ~~ BOINCstats: Database problems ~~ BOINCstats: New BOINCstats framework ~~ BOINCstats: Network problems ~~ BOINCstats: System Administrator Appreciation Day ~~ BAM!: Limited number of BAM! user accounts compromised ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Turkish ~~ BOINCstats: Unscheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: BOINCstats and BAM! now also in Brazilian Portuguese ~~ BOINCstats: Pies... Want them in 2D or 3D? ~~ BAM!: Pimp your signature! ~~ BOINCstats: Team recruitment and the PM system ~~ BOINCstats: Results of the Top Team Stat in January 2008 ~~ BOINCstats: All new stats!! ~~ BOINCstats: Scheduled downtime ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected downtown ~~ BAM!: Enigma URL switch ~~ BOINCstats: Unexpected system reboot ~~ BOINCstats: Planned maintenance

17:36 <bigt0242000> lol i think he's broke

17:37 <xcamel> not he - BAM

17:38 <xcamel> boincstats removed

17:39 <wdsmia> that should do it

17:40 <bigt0242000> is there a way to configure it so that it only shows the latest news item?

17:40 <xcamel> not really..

17:41 <xcamel> the feed is bad from BS

17:44 <xcamel> new/old tags are missing it seems

17:46 <wdsmia> sounds like willy has been playing again

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18:01 <PovAddict> my DNS is broken

18:01 <PovAddict> again

18:05 <KathrynM> that stinks

18:05 <PovAddict> I guess I'll have to go again to 4.2.2.1/4.2.2.2

18:11 <Tank_Master> then fix it

18:11 <Tank_Master> I use 4.2.2.4

18:16 <Tank_Master> WHAT THE FUU#$%#$^%

18:17 <PovAddict> ...

18:17 <Tank_Master> I went from boinc 6.3.11 to 6.3.10 and it waped all the info in the directories

18:17 <Tank_Master> all work is gone

18:17 <Tank_Master> all projects deteched...

18:17 <wdsmia> rofl

18:17 <PovAddict> did you look at the directories yourself?

18:17 <Tank_Master> what the heck are those numnuts at berkeley doing?

18:17 <Tank_Master> yes

18:18 <Tank_Master> 11 total files

18:18 <Tank_Master> in the data dir

18:18 <PovAddict> is there data in the program dir?

18:18 <Tank_Master> ya

18:18 <PovAddict> maybe the .11 uninstaller moved stuff to the program dir and the .10 installer didn't move it back to the data dir?

18:18 <PovAddict> or something

18:19 <Tank_Master> when I installed .10, I saw "migrating data"

18:19 <Tank_Master> more like "deleting data"

18:19 <PovAddict> do you have a program files\boinc\projects?

18:19 <Tank_Master> d:\boincx64p

18:19 <PovAddict> whatever

18:19 <Tank_Master> and d:\boincx64d for data

18:20 <PovAddict> is there a 'projects' subdir in the *program* dir?

18:20 <Tank_Master> no

18:20 <Tank_Master> just looked

18:20 <PovAddict> and the one in the data dir is... empty?

18:20 <Tank_Master> mostly

18:20 <Tank_Master> like a fress install would have

18:21 <Tank_Master> dosent even have the cc_)config file

18:21 <Tank_Master> and I had an orbit file to

18:22 <PovAddict> whine on boinc_alpha

18:29 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 78.5F / 25.8C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Thunderstorms likely in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Low in the lower 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening. Chance of thunderstorms 60 percent.; (1 more message)

18:29 <wdsmia> &more

18:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Wednesday - Partly sunny. A slight chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning. Patchy fog in the morning. High in the upper 70s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. Northeast wind around 5 mph shifting to the east after midnight.;

18:29 <Tank_Master> man

18:29 <Tank_Master> it even set a new host ID

18:29 <PovAddict> go merge

18:29 <Tank_Master> in bam?

18:29 <PovAddict> oh new hostID in BAM?

18:29 <PovAddict> >.<

18:30 <Tank_Master> yeah

18:30 <PovAddict> then you'll have to set the "attach project" checkboxes again on the new host

18:30 <PovAddict> and delete the old one

18:30 <Tank_Master> liiks like it did a cleam wipe of everything

18:31 <Tank_Master> ahh ha!

18:31 <Tank_Master> uninstalling deletes the data directory

18:31 <Tank_Master> compleatly

18:31 <PovAddict> WTF

18:31 <Tank_Master> not even the folder remains

18:31 <Tank_Master> the programs folder is still there though

18:31 <PovAddict> uninstalling may move the contents of the data directory into the program directory

18:31 <Tank_Master> nope

18:32 <PovAddict> look if in programs you now have the project/bam/etc xmls

18:32 <PovAddict> and projects/slots folders

18:32 <Tank_Master> oh, ther is a proj folder now

18:32 <Tank_Master> why didnt it do that in the first time?

18:35 <Tank_Master> heh wtf

18:35 <Tank_Master> I still had my old dir from when I was running boinc 5.10.45

18:35 <Tank_Master> apparently it moed everything into there

18:35 <Tank_Master> for I uninstalled 11 again

18:36 <Tank_Master> deleted the stuff in boincx64p

18:36 <Tank_Master> and moved everything over from boincx64

18:36 <Tank_Master> and now that I reinstalled 11, it is right back with all the work it had

18:36 <Tank_Master> this is messed up

18:42 <Tank_Master> at least I got my work back

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19:27 <nickuwo> hey Pov - I was playing with a number of the settings in my.cnf but none of them seemed to lessen the load. There were about 2x as many queries per sec yesterday than there are today tho, for a number of reasons, so I think I'll be alright as long as those conditions don't occur again...

19:27 <Tank_Master> nick!

19:28 <Tank_Master> you last some of our top people

19:28 <Tank_Master> thats why your load is less

19:28 <Tank_Master> less comps attached

19:30 <paulbot> i hear the project runs on some old hardware. I'd be happy to donate something more recent, like a pentium D 930 and mobo

19:30 <Tank_Master> wow

19:31 <Tank_Master> from a celeron 1.8

19:31 <PovAddict> I also know the project runs some crap software

19:31 <PovAddict> (called BOINC)

19:31 <Tank_Master> thats would help

19:32 <PovAddict> you have no idea how un-optimized the BOINC database structure is

19:32 <Tank_Master> lol

19:32 <Tank_Master> one db fits all

19:33 <PovAddict> ...

19:33 <PovAddict> quite correct actually

19:33 <PovAddict> the 'result' table gets fragmented as hell, because it has too much stuff

19:34 <PovAddict> also, around the *middle* there is the stderr field

19:34 <PovAddict> so first, a lot of results are added to the database

19:35 <PovAddict> when they get returned, each row grows significantly to fit the stderr text

19:35 <PovAddict> it can't really "grow"... there is another row right next to it

19:35 <PovAddict> so it gets fragmented

19:36 <PovAddict> then queries to the result table start getting slow

19:36 <Tank_Master> I think nickuwo ran off on us again

19:36 <PovAddict> Janus (BURP admin) did quite a complete analysis on that

19:36 <nickuwo> whoops sry, digg sucked me in

19:37 <PovAddict> "A programmer is someone who is so irritated by small inconveniences that they will spend weeks writing a script, so they can spend days debugging same script, so they can save five minutes of their time, which they will waste reading slashdot."

19:40 <nickuwo> Tank: who did we lose?

19:41 <Tank_Master> dr dan

19:41 <Tank_Master> has a few dozzen comps

19:41 <Tank_Master> rather high end

19:42 <Tank_Master> like at least 10 quads

19:42 <nickuwo> bummer...

19:42 <Tank_Master> he's not abandoning it, just going elsewhere untill things smoth out

19:42 <Tank_Master> did you see paulbot's offer?

19:43 <nickuwo> ya, thanks paulbot!

19:43 <Tank_Master> do you want it?

19:45 <nickuwo> thats awesome you guys are willing to do that, I have some qualms about it tho, I have other, more powerful computers lying around that I use minimally... I should probably butcher those before taking stuff from you guys

19:48 <Tank_Master> like I said, im not using it

19:49 <nickuwo> true

19:49 <nickuwo> If i take that vaio apart how do I tell what find of ram it is?

19:50 <PovAddict> are you running the project on a laptop?

19:51 <PovAddict> the most important things for database servers are amount of RAM, speed of RAM, and speed of hard disk (not in order; I don't really know which of the three is most important)

19:52 <Tank_Master> there should be some serial number on it

19:52 <Tank_Master> the sony only has 512mb

19:52 <Tank_Master> and its Im guessing ddr 266 or 333

19:53 <Tank_Master> so yeah, he needs more

19:53 <PovAddict> the ideal speed is acheved when the whole database fits in RAM

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19:54 <CoderForLife> greetings

19:54 <PovAddict> (I think some Einstein@Home servers have 32GB of RAM or so)

19:54 <PovAddict> hey CFL

19:54 <PovAddict> how good are you at DB optimization? :)

19:57 <nickuwo> hmm, my db is about 1.5GB

19:57 <CoderForLife> hey PovAddcit - home from Texas

19:57 <PovAddict> nickuwo: it's probably fragmented as hell

19:58 <PovAddict> my worst was once having a 6GB data file

19:58 <wdsmia> *lo Don

19:58 <KathrynM> whoa!  CoderForLife!!!

19:58 <CoderForLife> I'd say I'm pretty good at DB opt.  MySQL?

19:58 <PovAddict> I dumped it to a text backup, dropped the database, restored the backup

19:58 <PovAddict> 300MB data file

19:58 <PovAddict> that was one hell of a fragmentation!

19:58 <nickuwo> hehe

19:58 <nickuwo> I could try that

19:58 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: yes, MySQL, relevant tables using InnoDB

19:59 <nickuwo> should I put my DB on the Celeron 1.8 with 750MB or the P4 2.6 with 500MB?

19:59 <Tank_Master> the P4

19:59 <Tank_Master> its easier to get ram for that

19:59 <PovAddict> hmm not sure...

19:59 <CoderForLife> InnoDB - need transactional support?

20:00 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I'm not sure what's the rationale for using InnoDB

20:00 <PovAddict> afaik the BOINC server doesn't use transactions

20:00 <wdsmia> you guys would sh$% if you had do that on my DB its at about 8TB right now

20:00 <PovAddict> (it sure should)

20:00 <PovAddict> lol wdsmia

20:00 <Tank_Master> that all?

20:01 <wdsmia> only half full :)

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20:01 * Tank_Master caries more than that in his pocket

20:01 <efc> moo

20:01 <efc> great, another fraud alert on the credit card, brb

20:01 <Tank_Master> haha

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20:01 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: doesn't look like an informed decision... "Supposedly this gives better performance."

20:02 <Tank_Master> love those comments

20:02 <PovAddict> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/trunk/boinc/db/schema.sql

20:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4mvymp> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

20:02 <wdsmia> Tank_Master thats only one of 3 DB's  I admin

20:03 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/InnoDB

20:03 <Romulus> Title: InnoDB - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

20:05 <KathrynM> gotta hit the shower.  time to get ready for w&@^

20:06 <Tank_Master> hf

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20:19 <granpa_paul> nickuwo

20:19 <nickuwo> ?

20:19 <granpa_paul> so you welcome to that pentium D

20:19 <granpa_paul> it's just sitting here on the shelf

20:20 <PovAddict> why don't you have it BOINCing?

20:20 <nickuwo> D930?

20:20 <granpa_paul> because I have 12 overclocked intel quads

20:20 <granpa_paul> it's not worth the electricity

20:21 <CoderForLife> off to relax a bit before bedtime - laterz

20:21 <granpa_paul> pretty sure it's a 930

20:21 <nickuwo> wow, that'd be great

20:21 <wdsmia> cya Don

20:21 <CoderForLife> speaking of not worth the electricity  http://www.foxnews.com/photoessay/photoessay_5176_images/0923081404_M_peapod450.jpg

20:21 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4ojwk6> (at www.foxnews.com)

20:21 <PovAddict> what the eff

20:22 <CoderForLife> proposed new Chrysler electric car - the Peapod

20:22 <CoderForLife> enjoy

20:22 <CoderForLife> gn

20:23 <granpa_paul> i want my 15 seconds back

20:24 <nickuwo> you have a mobo as well?

20:24 <granpa_paul> so anyway, i'm paul from team starfire, who dumped a bunch of wu yesterday

20:24 <granpa_paul> yes

20:24 <nickuwo> oh :) hey paul

20:24 <granpa_paul> might can scrounge some memory somewhere

20:25 <granpa_paul> have to look

20:26 <Tank_Master> you bastard, paul, you

20:26 <Tank_Master> :P

20:26 <granpa_paul> yes?

20:26 <Romulus> It has been said that yes is enable, granpa_paul

20:26 * Tank_Master burns Romulus's house down

20:26 <granpa_paul> thanks you Romulus

20:27 <Tank_Master> Romulus?

20:27 <granpa_paul> get back over here

20:27 <PovAddict> &forget enable

20:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no such factoid.

20:27 <PovAddict> &forget yes

20:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no such factoid.

20:27 <PovAddict> Romulus: forget about yes

20:27 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no such factoid.

20:27 <Tank_Master> &forget it

20:27 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: There is no such factoid.

20:30 <Tank_Master> granpa_paul - does your 930d use ddr400 ram?

20:39 <nickuwo> &forget yourself

20:39 <Romulus> nickuwo: Error: There is no such factoid.

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20:40 <granpa_paul> ddr2

20:41 <Tank_Master> doh

20:41 <Tank_Master> I gots ddr

20:44 <granpa_paul> man i have a stack of ballistix, but i really have a lot of problems with that ram

20:45 <Tank_Master> ill take them :)

20:47 <granpa_paul> well i run them on blades until one day it wont' post, swap for something else, then they lay on the bench. i'll try them in another board a month later, they work. Then i gradually narrow ithem down to a set or two that just won't run on anything, and i'll rma them

20:48 <granpa_paul> i've done that 3 times

20:48 <granpa_paul> over the last 2 years

20:48 <nickuwo> perhaps I should "optimize table result" ?

20:50 <Tank_Master> or "get new comp"

20:51 <nickuwo> pretty sure that's not a mysql command :)

20:51 <Tank_Master> to bad

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20:56 <efc> another CC bites the dust

20:58 <Tank_Master> credit card?

20:58 <efc> yeah

20:58 <efc> third fraud problem on this one

20:58 <Tank_Master> who's was it?

20:58 <efc> HSBC

20:59 <Tank_Master> ouch man

20:59 <Tank_Master> wow

20:59 <Tank_Master> they suposed to be good

20:59 <efc> Then they give me the phone cavity search trying to confirm my identify

20:59 <efc> One time they sent me a replacement card and it was stolen before I got it. Figure that.

21:04 <efc> One thing it could be is those *(#%# courtesy checks they send all the time

21:04 <efc> I tear them up but possible I missed one

21:06 <efc> Also I don't like that they ask for your password on the phone

21:08 <efc> Interestingly I gave them the wrong one and they didn't say anything

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21:15 <efc> heh, http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/bank-of-america.html

21:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3ruwcy> (at blog.wired.com)

21:24 <nickuwo> &boincerr -1073741787

21:24 <Romulus> nickuwo: Error: I couldn't find -1073741787 in boincerr.

21:24 <nickuwo> coulda guessed that one :)

21:31 <Tank_Master> lol

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21:50 <PovAddict> nickuwo: "optimize table" doesn't do much with InnoDB

21:50 <PovAddict> &help hex

21:50 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: There is no command "hex".

21:50 <Tank_Master> &help sex

21:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: There is no command "sex".

21:51 <Tank_Master> &help fetch, fido

21:51 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: There is no command "fetch, fido".

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22:27 <xcamel> you having fun?

22:28 <wdsmia> who?

22:39 <xcamel> tank_master playing..

22:40 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

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22:41 <granpa_paul> wth

22:41 <xcamel> only one bot here.

22:41 <granpa_paul> not a bot, sorry, meant to ask

22:43 <xcamel> sure looked like one...

22:43 <nickuwo> hmm

22:43 <granpa_paul> should have not used that nick

22:43 <xcamel> team starfire?

22:44 <granpa_paul> yeah

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22:44 <granpa_paul> i need to change the name if i meanander around to other channels

22:45 <xcamel> no problem.

22:45 <xcamel> allways welcome here..

22:45 <granpa_paul> but Fish was rlaying some info from here, so i joined

22:45 <granpa_paul> from main rig

22:46 <xcamel> boinc-centric, but we have our fun too..

22:47 <granpa_paul> cool, will hang around, thanks

22:48 <granpa_paul> someone has to reign int Tank_Master

22:48 <xcamel> laterz for me though..

22:48 <granpa_paul> in*

22:48 <granpa_paul> nighters

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