IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-09-24

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02:06 <Tank_Master> what

02:06 <Tank_Master> ?

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04:17 <CoderForLife> plink

04:18 <CoderForLife> &wx 45150

04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 60.1F / 15.6C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 50s. East winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 80. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:18 <CoderForLife> er

04:18 <efc3> moo

04:19 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 58.6F / 14.8C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.24in / 1023.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 50s. East winds around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 80. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:19 <CoderForLife> moo efc

04:19 <CoderForLife> er efc3

04:19 * CoderForLife pushes in the clutch and downshifts his morning

04:20 <CoderForLife> need more something this morning

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04:31 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:37 <CoderForLife> b

04:41 <efc3> moo

04:41 <CoderForLife> moo

04:42 <efc3> my credit card seems to have gotten ripped again..

04:42 <CoderForLife> ungood

04:43 <efc3> 3rd time on this one

04:43 <CoderForLife> I'd say it's been compromised

04:43 <efc3> once I'm sure it was on the bank's side

04:43 <efc3> cuz my number was stolen before I got the new card

04:44 <CoderForLife> the bank is on no one's side =)

04:45 <efc3> counting my money.. not enough to quit

04:45 <CoderForLife> same

04:47 <efc3> Not enough, in fact, to do much of anything. I should find something else to do.

04:47 <CoderForLife> especially since I just bought this brand-new gray 2008 Retaining Wal, with sports suspension and moon roofl

04:48 <CoderForLife> er Wall*

04:48 <CoderForLife> er roof*

04:48 * CoderForLife downshifts again on morning

04:48 <efc3> I woulda got a used one

04:48 <CoderForLife> there were none on the lots, I checked

04:49 <efc3> 30k over a year, I think my money is inflating out of existence faster than that

04:50 <efc3> sort of a 'terminal velocity' for savings

04:50 <CoderForLife> Headline: "CSC gets small refund in settlement of IRS audit"

04:50 <efc3> Haha

04:50 <CoderForLife> text: "Computer Sciences Corp. said Tuesday it reached a settlement with the Internal Revenue Service that will result in a nominal $370 million tax refund for the company."

04:51 <CoderForLife> I which I could get a piece of nominal for myself

04:51 <efc3> Thats not my nominal refund.

04:52 * CoderForLife rubs up against nominal

04:52 <efc3> Is that Ross Perot's company?

04:53 <efc3> or was that computer data processing or something like that

04:53 <CoderForLife> EDS

04:53 <efc3> ah d Electronic Data Systems

04:53 <CoderForLife> yup

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04:55 <efc3> I wish I could found a few billion dollar companies..

04:56 <CoderForLife> it would help the wallet

04:59 * efc3 wishes he had a career path

05:00 <CoderForLife> hmm

05:00 <efc3> I made the mistake of being competant

05:01 <efc3> Guarantees you won't go anywhere

05:01 <efc3> (our local exec more or less said this..)

05:01 <CoderForLife> that disqualifies you for a lot

05:02 <efc3> Yes, it was a tragic mistake.

05:02 <CoderForLife> no one will hire you, because you're too competant, you "won't stay"

05:03 <CoderForLife> been there myself

05:05 <efc3> Its not too late to fail.

05:05 <efc3> keep meaning to order an LSAT study book..

05:17 <efc3> might settle for Ham exam instead

05:20 <efc3> time to sneak in some sleep, later

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05:22 * CoderForLife goes to get ready for w.. w.. w@#%

05:47 <xcamel> BOO

05:53 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - no much different than yesterday, just a lot closer to home

05:53 <CoderForLife> not*

05:53 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:33 <hawmps> re-hi

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10:17 <Che-Anarc> I was wanting to start a group with its own registeration / stats for some boinc projects and a couple other projects not there (folding@home??)... are there are resources / facilities available for this?... I just having a hard time finding anything.

10:19 <PovAddict> a "group"?

10:20 <Che-Anarc> Well team.... the idea is to setup a peer ready for boincs based project... but meanwhile resources are to be foward / used in other projects.

10:20 <Che-Anarc> PovAddict:   like teams in folding say.

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10:21 <PovAddict> BOINC projects already have "teams", you can make a team in a few clicks

10:21 <PovAddict> and I don't know anything about folding

10:21 <PovAddict>

10:21 <Romulus> Title: Top teams (at

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10:24 <Che-Anarc> But team registeration has to be done with each project seperately eh?

10:24 <PovAddict> yes

10:24 <PovAddict> there is also a feature called "BOINC-Wide teams" but it causes more problems than it solves...

10:24 <Che-Anarc> Is there nothing like the world community grid where you could register a team?

10:24 <Che-Anarc> How so?

10:25 <PovAddict> world community grid is just yet another BOINC project where you can make a team

10:25 <PovAddict> not much different from the rest in that...

10:27 <Che-Anarc> PovAddict: what are development restrcitions if any... as far as licenses, etc... for developming using BOINC... are you doing any development in this area yourself at all?... I noticed you in the #boinc_dev room.

10:27 <PovAddict> well, I'm currently contributing to a fork project of the BOINC client :)

10:28 * CoderForLife is lured to #boinc by the aroma of a Code discussion

10:28 <PovAddict> BOINC is LGPL, which means if you make your own project, your science app can link to the BOINC API without having to be open source

10:29 <Tank_Master> dont forget about the boinc wide team page....

10:29 <Tank_Master> where teams cn be imported

10:29 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I mentioned that

10:29 <Tank_Master> can*

10:29 <Tank_Master> ahh, there it is

10:29 <Tank_Master> missed it while skimming

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10:30 <Che-Anarc> The world community grid (and other as such?... I had another one I cant find)... seem to only allow projects on their list to be contributed towards right?

10:30 <PovAddict> world community grid is just a BOINC project

10:31 <PovAddict> which happens to do research on multiple areas

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10:31 <PovAddict> (which they call "sub-projects"...)

10:31 <Tank_Master> WCG used to be a seperate project from BOINC, like Folding is now, hoevern, unlike folding, it also used BOINC's platform to increwase its throughput

10:32 <Tank_Master> eventually WCG droped its won project and with soly with the BOINC platform

10:32 <Tank_Master> own*

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10:33 <Tank_Master> however, it still uses its own, non BOINC server software

10:33 <Tank_Master> which is why it works different than the other projects that use the BOINC server software

10:33 <Che-Anarc> Hmmm.... so what would be the best way to cater for contributors / end users... basically I need to have the infastructure for end-users / a system by which for now we could pick and choose what is contributed to as a team... and it would be great if clients relating to those research areas could be encomposed with our own eventually.

10:35 <Che-Anarc> There are primarly 6 projects we would want to contribute to for now.

10:35 <PovAddict> well... hmm

10:36 <Che-Anarc> And it would be nice if the stats / visualisation stuff offered by some of the clients could actually work / would be visible where avalible  :-)

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10:36 <PovAddict> the ideal seems to be modifying the BOINC Manager to ask the user for an email/password and then create accounts on all your chosen projects automatically :)

10:37 <Tank_Master> cant you do soemthing simmiler though BAM!?

10:38 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: that would involve the client having the BAM username/password, and that's not safe

10:38 <Tank_Master> you can use their webpage to find and join a team with just a few clicks

10:38 <Che-Anarc> Why not?

10:38 <Tank_Master> though no, it doesnt auto join you to a team when you join the project

10:39 <PovAddict> let me get this straight

10:39 <Che-Anarc> Sure but it would be nice to restrict users from contributing to anything and everything... due to requriments, funds, etc.

10:39 <PovAddict> you want something easy for users in your community to join projects *you* choose?

10:40 <Tank_Master> all of the BOINC platform is free, so what funds would be an issue?

10:40 <Tank_Master> unless I am misunderstanding

10:40 <Che-Anarc> Thats correct... and not to allow users to contribute to anything beyond that... at least not via the client they'll have.

10:41 <Che-Anarc> Tank_Master:    as in you have funds to sponsor some research areas but not others  ;-)

10:41 <PovAddict> you don't need "funds" to "sponsor" anything, you don't have to pay to contribute

10:41 <PovAddict> other than to the electrical company

10:41 <PovAddict> but it doesn't cost more to contribute to more projects

10:41 <Che-Anarc> Yes but we will get funding to contribute in some areas... and also we will be setting up a project ourselves in time.

10:42 <Che-Anarc> PovAddict:   sure but it rediverts attention / resources.

10:42 <PovAddict> ah

10:43 <Tank_Master> so, where is the funding going to? the persion who is contributing to the project, or the project itself?

10:43 <PovAddict> to buy computers, I'd guess Tank_Master

10:43 <Che-Anarc> Yes  :-D

10:45 <Che-Anarc> Essentially its a new wing in an organisation and we get to use the computers 24/7... but more important are the people that will pass through there and the attention / advertisment it will generate since they will get more exposure to boinc's projects as well as our own stuff more importantly  :-p

10:45 <Tank_Master> sounds kinda like gridfinity

10:45 <PovAddict> not quite...

10:45 <Tank_Master> to bad just as the project was getting started, the leader just up n quit

10:46 <Tank_Master> yeah, not quite, but same comsept

10:46 <Tank_Master> pay the user for time contrubuted to the project in hopes they buy new comps, right?

10:46 <Che-Anarc> So maybe I should be looking into setting up a client of somesort - perhaps including only those projects that we are interested in?... how feasible is that?... my coding is very rusty.... I never really done anything in this area.

10:47 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: gridfinity was a completely different thing

10:47 <Che-Anarc> So an application that just includes / executes the needed clients only?

10:47 <PovAddict> the idea was that scientists paid gridfinity to get computing stuff done, and gridfinity paid its users to give them CPU time, and they lived from the difference

10:48 <PovAddict> Che-Anarc: you'd only have to modify the user interface; modifying the internals to *prevent* attaching other projects is hard and pointless :)

10:50 <PovAddict> btw, given the license, if you modify BOINC client/GUI/whatever and distribute binaries to your users, you have to provide the modified source code

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10:54 <Che-Anarc> Oh well... How would you recommened I start on this?... just download each client source seprate and go through it?... or are there any general prerequisites that could help all the way to accomplish my goals?

10:54 <PovAddict> "each client"?

10:55 <PovAddict> there is only the BOINC client, I guess you'd want to modify the GUI so it doesn't give a long list of projects to attach, and instead auto-attaches to the projects you want

10:55 <Che-Anarc> Oh so the functionality as far as drawing / stats, etc... are all from the same BOINC client?

10:55 <PovAddict> and before doing anything, you should use BOINC "normally"... so you understand how it works

10:57 <PovAddict> drawing stats? these are the only stats the BOINC client gives ->

10:57 <Romulus> <> (at

10:58 <PovAddict> as for screensaver graphics with fancy stuff of what you're computing, that's provided by each project

10:58 <Che-Anarc> No I mean as far as the client for each project is concerened... do they not have aditional functionality like drawing / plotting data they are working on in a more meaningful manner.

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10:58 <PovAddict> <- SETI@Home

10:58 <Romulus> <> (at

10:58 <PovAddict> no point in modifying those though... (and many projects don't even give source code)

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11:01 <Che-Anarc> Alright I need to do some more reading / experimenting first  :-)    thanks for the info so far though  :-)

11:08 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

11:14 <Tank_Master> ill bbl

11:14 <Tank_Master> mornin yoyo

11:14 <Tank_Master> n gl Che-Anarc ;)

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11:57 <Che-Anarc> Thanks.

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12:43 <Che-Anarc> Thats quiet interesting so joining teams in most cases is done via their site eh?

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13:04 <Tank_Master> yes

13:04 <MTughan> Yes, what?

13:04 <Romulus> Somebody said Yes, what is your point, Rommie, MTughan

13:04 <Tank_Master> you might want to take a look at

13:04 <MTughan> Rommie...

13:04 <Tank_Master> 09:43:09 <Che-Anarc> Thats quiet interesting so joining teams in most cases is done via their site eh?

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13:05 <MTughan> In the shouts?

13:06 <Tank_Master> no, you shoulda been here earlier

13:06 <Tank_Master> no wait, you were

13:06 <MTughan> Oh, okay.

13:06 <MTughan> I'm actually in engineering ATM...

13:06 <Tank_Master> bout 2 hrs ago when pov, Che-Anarc and myself were talking

13:10 <MTughan> We have a substitute prof who seems to have a speech impediment. Rather hard to follow...

13:10 <Tank_Master> lol

13:11 <MTughan> Had him for the past two weeks. This is his last lecture.

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13:12 <Tank_Master> at least its over

13:17 <PovAddict> Che-Anarc: joining teams is done on the *project* website

13:18 <CoderForLife> good clarification, PovAddict

13:18 <PovAddict> the majority of teams don't have their own website

13:18 <Che-Anarc> Right...  actually it would be nice to have a means of selecting what you want to join / contribute to from one place - rather than joining seprately... the grid stuff is seprate as well.

13:19 <PovAddict> Che-Anarc: you can join projects from the client program, you don't have to create an account from the website

13:19 <PovAddict> to join a team, however, you have to use the website

13:20 <Che-Anarc> Right.

13:20 <PovAddict> however, for your needs, where the organization (and not individual users) chooses the projects, you'd probably need some customization of the program

13:22 <Che-Anarc> And would it be possible to include some of the grid projects as well?.... I noticed they have a build of a client themselves.

13:22 <PovAddict> which "grid projects"?

13:22 <PovAddict> world community grid?

13:22 <Romulus> It has been said that world community grid is just yet another BOINC project where you can make a team, PovAddict

13:22 <Che-Anarc> FightAIDS@home?

13:22 <Che-Anarc>

13:22 <Romulus> Title: FightAIDS@Home (at

13:24 <PovAddict> that's just part of WCG isn't it?

13:24 <Che-Anarc> Yes

13:26 <Tank_Master> you can run multible apps from the same project

13:26 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid also has half a dozen different applications

13:27 <Che-Anarc> Tank_Master:   how do you mean?

13:27 <PovAddict> WCG is a *single* BOINC project

13:27 <PovAddict> it just happens to do lots of different research, and lets you choose which subprojects you want to run, but that's a WCG thing

13:28 <Tank_Master> however, its not the only project that has multible sub projects that you can choose from

13:28 <Tank_Master> yoyo, and primgrid are 2 other examples

13:30 <yoyo[RKN]> you just switched on highlighting here

13:31 <Tank_Master> was just using your project as na example

13:32 <yoyo[RKN]> I see

13:32 <Tank_Master> :)

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13:53 <MTughan> Campus-wide wireless, my ass.

13:54 <Tank_Master> lol

13:54 <MTughan> I haven't moved my laptop since last time...

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14:02 <MTughan_> Doing fairly okay now...

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14:07 <MTughan> I get it stable, and we're almost done the slideshow...

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15:28 <nickuwo_> baaa

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15:34 <Tank_Master> wb nickuwo_

15:35 <nickuwo_> thx tank

15:36 <nickuwo_> back to class...

15:36 <Tank_Master> HF

15:36 <nickuwo_> heh

15:36 <Tank_Master> WHAT CLASS?

15:36 <Tank_Master> dang caplock

15:37 <nickuwo_> linear algebra

15:37 <Tank_Master> ahh

15:37 <Tank_Master> fun...

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15:38 <nickuwo_> it's actually my most fun class this semester -- sounds odd but i do like it. Twisted math geek or something

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15:38 <Tank_Master> :P

15:39 <Tank_Master> oh

15:41 <nickuwo_> laterz

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16:44 <xcamel> 'lo

16:46 <Tank_Master> hi

16:56 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:01 <CoderForLife> re-hi

17:01 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:02 <CoderForLife> hey Doug

17:02 <xcamel> wb don..

17:03 <CoderForLife> thanks Jay

17:05 <CoderForLife> what a chess game

17:06 <xcamel> really bad brinksmanship..

17:06 <CoderForLife> looks like Obama wants to vote "present" again

17:06 <xcamel> new upgraded weather station in..

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17:07 <xcamel> roadrunner/cable finally installed...

17:07 <xcamel> (still don't have ip addy's yet)

17:07 <CoderForLife> sky's the limit

17:07 <xcamel> dunno what the limit is one it just yet

17:08 <Tank_Master> lol

17:08 <Tank_Master> the sky

17:08 <xcamel> dead clean signal and .01 noise level

17:08 <Tank_Master> %?

17:08 <Tank_Master> thats a good SNR

17:08 <xcamel> indeed

17:08 <xcamel> new mainline, only customer

17:09 <xcamel> no brand on the modem though

17:09 <xcamel> little tiny thing..

17:09 <Tank_Master> modems are over rated

17:09 <xcamel> cablemodem that is..

17:10 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:10 <MTughan> Heh... My roommate has a modem build into his laptop. We haven't had a chance to try it out. :P

17:10 <xcamel> headend balance was like a 9.6 out of 10

17:11 <xcamel> better than the damned old T1

17:11 <MTughan> xcamel: We have 10Mb/s Ethernet connections to the rooms here... :(

17:12 <PovAddict> 10mbit LAN?!

17:12 <xcamel> cool

17:12 <MTughan> At least they're using almost the whole stream. 8800Kb/s down.

17:12 <MTughan> And at good times, that much up too.

17:12 <PovAddict> that sucks, no 100mbit for the local connection?

17:12 <MTughan> Nope.

17:12 <xcamel> my home net is 10/100 and the cable modem is 15Mbit iirc..

17:13 <xcamel> cisco/linksys - part wireless.

17:13 <xcamel> 128b encryption

17:14 <MTughan> I don't remember what encryption I set up for the wireless here... It was at least WPA, has a closed SSID, and MAC address filtering for mine and my roommate's laptops. No one's getting in.

17:14 <MTughan> Oh, and 18 character WPA key.

17:21 <MTughan> Yep, just WPA Personal, according to OS X.

17:36 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:36 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 78.0F / 25.6C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Areas of dense fog after midnight. Low in the mid 50s. East wind around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. High in the lower 80s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - (1 more message)

17:36 <wdsmia> &more

17:36 <Romulus> wdsmia: Mostly clear. Low in the upper 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Dense Fog Advisory for Polk County in effect until 10:00 AM CDT on September 25, 2008;

17:36 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:37 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

17:38 <wdsmia> &wx 98020

17:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 61.2F / 16.2C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.6mph / 4.2km/h ; Today - Cloudy with periods of rain. Highs in the lower 60s. Light north wind wind shifting to the south.; Tonight - Cloudy with scattered showers. Lows in the upper 40s to mid 50s. South wind 10 to 20 mph.; Thursday - Breezy. Showers (1 more message)

17:38 <wdsmia> &more

17:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: likely. Highs in the upper 50s to mid 60s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph increasing to south 15 to 25 mph.;

17:39 * CoderForLife goes in search of din-din

17:40 <MTughan> Well... Someone else on another channel just figured out he could kick himself from the channel...

17:40 <wdsmia> lol

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18:21 <sethy> hey guys :D

18:21 <PovAddict> oh noes /o\

18:21 <sethy> !

18:22 <sethy> noh i'm here because i'm bored

18:22 <sethy> i have nothing to do

18:25 <xcamel> dslreports says 7mb

18:25 <xcamel> or so

18:25 <xcamel> not too shabby

18:25 <xcamel> bbl

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19:10 <CoderForLife> back

19:10 <CoderForLife> aw  missed sethy

19:16 <Tank_Master> bummer

19:16 <Tank_Master> wb

19:16 <CoderForLife> thx

19:17 <xcamel> back again..

19:17 <xcamel> MIL duty

19:17 <CoderForLife> lol

19:18 <CoderForLife> it happens

19:19 <xcamel> water filter, raise water pressure, reset softener

19:20 <CoderForLife> you're lucky to have survived a plumbing encounter

19:32 <granpa_paul> well here we are in the new millenium with gobs of computing power and we still have to go to 40 projects and manually update all our boinc profiles

19:32 * KathrynM rolls out of bed and into #boinc

19:32 <CoderForLife> morn K

19:32 <granpa_paul> whoops, i woke someone

19:33 <KathrynM> lol

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19:35 <Tank_Master> KM!

19:35 <KathrynM> morning all

19:35 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

19:35 <Tank_Master> evening

19:36 <KathrynM> I've have a migraine for sale...  any takers?

19:36 <PovAddict> depends

19:36 <granpa_paul> i'll trade you for employee problems

19:36 <MTughan> He's trying to use my computer through VNC. It's a little slow...

19:36 <granpa_paul> wait...

19:37 <KathrynM> ah yes, I forgot to mention...  it comes with 110 small creatures.

19:37 <KathrynM> (also known as students)

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19:40 <Tank_Master> aka germ vessels

19:51 <CoderForLife> vectors of viral vermin

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20:02 <CoderForLife> gn

20:02 <CoderForLife> laterz

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22:28 <xcamel> 'lo?

22:31 <bigt0242000> hi

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22:45 <bigt0242000> ping

22:46 <xcamel> finally getting this rr cable running - sort of..

22:50 <bigt0242000> what problems are you having?

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23:05 <xcamel> yea!

23:05 <xcamel> &wx 12074

23:05 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 54.2F / 12.3C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the mid 40s. East winds around 5 mph this evening...becoming light and variable.; Thursday - Patchy fog in the morning. Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 70s. East winds 5 to 10 (1 more message)

23:06 <xcamel> &more

23:06 <Romulus> xcamel: mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening... then rain after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.;

23:06 <xcamel> fine indeed

23:06 <xcamel> laterz..

23:06 <wdsmia> cya

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