IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-09-26

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00:31 <efc> "What To Do Right As a New Programmer?"  Quit, for starters

01:12 <MTughan> lol... http://www.xkcd.com/

01:12 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Listen to Yourself (at www.xkcd.com)

01:14 <efc> moo

01:15 <MTughan> 'lo e

01:15 <efc> watching "Another Date Movie"

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01:26 <efc> hmm, dell 27" for $700..

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01:45 <Tank_Master> what res can is support?

01:46 <efc> icanhas 1920 X 1200

01:46 <Tank_Master> crappy

01:47 <efc> atm, the 24" is $690

01:47 <efc> makes it seem better

01:49 <Tank_Master> not really

01:49 <Tank_Master> itll be more pixxely

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01:49 <efc> You don't need to be 6 inches off a monitor that big..

01:50 <Tank_Master> whats the point of a big screen if your just going to shove it further away?

01:51 <efc> not that much further

01:51 <efc> the 30" is 2560 x 1600

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01:54 <efc> only thing with those, other than the price, is the input lag

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03:39 <MadHag> is there a problem with rosetta?

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03:46 <CoderForLife> an early good morning, any and all

03:47 <CoderForLife> plink 200.68.66.93

03:47 <Tank_Master> tix 00:46 here

03:47 <Tank_Master> tiz*

03:47 <CoderForLife> 3:47am for me

03:58 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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04:51 <ELGono> morning

04:53 <CoderForLife> morning ELGono

04:54 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% - bbiab

04:54 <Tidus> btw hi CoderForLife ... long time no see

04:57 <ELGono> have a good day don

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05:24 <CoderForLife> back

05:24 <CoderForLife> hey Tidus

05:25 <CoderForLife> well - out the door with me

05:25 <CoderForLife> laterz

05:39 <Tidus> seeya

05:46 <xcamel> &ping

05:46 <Romulus> pong

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06:14 <Tidus> &pong

06:14 <Romulus> | .

06:14 <Tidus> lol

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06:38 <hawmps> wow - I didn't think the little astaro fw would be quite that spendy..

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06:47 <MadHag> anyone else having problems today with Rosetta?

06:54 <hawmps> not doing rosetta

06:55 <MadHag> something happened early this morning

06:55 <MadHag> all has stopped, site as well

06:56 <hawmps> it happens

06:57 <MadHag> but I am not earning points :)

06:57 <MadHag> points means prizes

06:57 <MadHag> lol

06:58 <MadHag> its fun overtaking people in my group

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08:34 <axxum> hello all of you

08:36 <axxum> is there everybody?

08:40 <KathrynM> hi axxum

08:43 <axxum> hello

08:44 <MadHag> yo

08:44 <KathrynM> :-)

08:45 <axxum> may i disturbing you one sec?

08:45 <KathrynM> sure

08:45 <KathrynM> I'm wasting time on Facebook before bed

08:45 <axxum> :)

08:45 <axxum> i think i have a problem with my boinc

08:46 <axxum> i have to try many times to connect the boinc server to upload the units

08:46 <axxum> after 7 - 8 times i can upload them

08:46 <axxum> is this normally?

08:47 <KathrynM> what project?

08:47 <Romulus> I guess what project are we talking about, KathrynM

08:47 <KathrynM> oh rommie, shut up you stupid bot

08:47 <axxum> seti and einstein

08:47 <axxum> both do same

08:48 <KathrynM> Can be common on Seti, but not so much on Einstein

08:48 <KathrynM> what is the error message in the manager?

08:48 <axxum> nothing

08:48 <KathrynM> in the message tab if in advanced view

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08:48 <axxum> absolutely nothing

08:49 <KathrynM> Fri 26 Sep 2008 07:18:14 PM KST|geneticlife@home|Backing off 49 min 34 sec on upload of sim_V157_c12345_s8k_tm10k50_xm30k_r10k_sm63_cm40_im45_C0_2_0

08:49 <KathrynM> Fri 26 Sep 2008 07:18:17 PM KST||Internet access OK - project servers may be temporarily down.

08:49 <KathrynM> nothing like that?

08:49 <axxum> before now i used boinc on linux

08:49 <KathrynM> now Windows?

08:49 <axxum> now i am working on win

08:49 <KathrynM> what version of BOINC?

08:50 <axxum> 6.2.18

08:50 <KathrynM> I'm on Linux and have very little experience with the problems for v6 on Windows

08:50 <KathrynM> can you try updating to .19?

08:50 <axxum> for win?

08:50 <KathrynM> I don't even know where stdout.txt is kept these days

08:50 <KathrynM> yes, for win

08:51 <axxum> ok, i will try

08:51 <axxum> thanks a lot

08:51 <axxum> :)

08:51 <KathrynM> no problem

08:51 <KathrynM> it probably won't help because there haven't been changes to curl and the like lately

08:51 <KathrynM> you could also revert to 5.10.45 and see if that helps

08:51 <axxum> aha

08:52 <axxum> ok, i'll try

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09:20 <hawmps> &wx 12020

09:20 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 53.1F / 11.7C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1022.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Rain. Highs around 60. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Rain. Rain may be heavy at times. Near steady temperature in the upper 50s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain near (1 more message)

09:21 <hawmps> &more

09:21 <Romulus> hawmps: 100 percent.; Saturday - Rain. Rain may be heavy at times. Not as cool with highs in the lower 70s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EDT on September 28, 2008;

09:21 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

09:21 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 61.8F / 16.6C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1020.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. High in the lower 80s. South wind near 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the upper 50s. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Partly (1 more message)

09:21 <wdsmia_w> &more

09:21 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: sunny. A slight chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then a slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. High around 80. West wind around 5 mph shifting to the northwest in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;

09:25 <MadHag> rosetta still down

09:31 <yoyo[work]> &weather berlin, germany

09:31 <Romulus> yoyo[!@#&]: Temperature: 63°F / 17°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.54in / 1034hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 3:20 PM CEST; Clear. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Clear. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Clear. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. Low:48 F. / 9 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Overcast. Low:48 F. / 9 C.;

09:31 <yoyo[work]> &help

09:31 <Romulus> yoyo[!@#&]: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.

09:31 <yoyo[work]> &help wx

09:31 <Romulus> yoyo[!@#&]: (wx <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "weather $1 $*".

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09:44 <hawmps> lol

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10:37 <hawmps> lol

10:38 <hawmps> mousewatch..

11:00 <KathrynM> &nn

11:00 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

11:06 <hawmps> must see:

11:06 <hawmps> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

11:06 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? (at www.youtube.com)

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16:01 <xcamel> &ping

16:01 <Romulus> pong

16:02 <efc> moo xcamel

16:03 <bigt0242000> how's it?

16:03 <efc> napped most of the afternoon here

16:04 <xcamel> rainy - which is good.

16:04 <xcamel> we needed it.

16:05 <Tidus> http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~staszel/stuff/live/ ... might be enjoyable to someone

16:05 <Romulus> Title: Robotics Institute Seminar Live Webcast (at www.cs.cmu.edu)

16:05 <bigt0242000> could you send a little my way?

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16:09 <zombie67> heh

16:09 <zombie67> BOINCstats is currently down because the server is overloaded.

16:09 <zombie67> Current load: 50.49

16:09 <zombie67> Normal operation will resume when the load falls below 50.

16:09 <zombie67> Sorry for the inconvenience.

16:09 <zombie67> Willy

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16:10 <bigt0242000> hmm... I was just on it

16:34 <PovAddict> that's some insane load

16:35 <Soul_keeper> http://hackaday.com/2008/09/25/web-server-on-a-business-card-part-2/

16:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4a2vce> (at hackaday.com)

16:35 <efc> sounds like stuck processes

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16:42 <wdsmia_w> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_100947_project-1.gif

16:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3lpnan> (at www.boincstats.com)

16:44 <CoderForLife> greetings any and all

16:44 <efc> moo

16:45 <xcamel_> greetings

16:45 <bigt0242000> hi ya

16:45 <wdsmia_w> *lo Don ...Bye Don bbiab

16:45 <CoderForLife> hey efc xcamel_ bigt0242000 Doug

16:47 <xcamel_> hoping to get my real addys sometime today

16:47 <bigt0242000> still having issues?

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16:47 <CoderForLife> on a Friday afternoon, xcamel?

16:48 <xcamel> yeah.. I know...

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16:49 <xcamel> they're supposed to be able to do it remotely

16:50 <CoderForLife> hopefully from wirelessly outside in the nice weather

16:51 <xcamel> not wireless

16:51 <bigt0242000> so it wasn't a pix issue?

16:53 <CoderForLife> pix, as in Pix firewall?

16:53 <PovAddict> yes

16:53 <bigt0242000> cisco pix

16:53 <xcamel> nope - not the pix

16:54 <xcamel> complete FUBAR thanks to RR.BIZ

16:54 <bigt0242000> ouch

16:54 <xcamel> uh-huh

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16:55 <PovAddict> hmm

16:55 <PovAddict> &ping

16:55 <Romulus> pong

16:55 <bigt0242000> couldn't you setup a temp dynamic dns address?

16:55 <PovAddict> his domain works fine, as it resolved to the correct IP

16:56 <bigt0242000> but the ip is wrong

16:56 <bigt0242000> i tried the url and ip address and couldn't get there

16:57 <efc> Did we ever get Tidus's BOINC connected on his Mac?

16:59 <bigt0242000> I don't do Macs

17:00 <PovAddict> bigt0242000: exactly, even with the IP it doesn't work, so the problem isn't that :P

17:00 <PovAddict> efc: I think not

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17:05 <bigt0242000> xcamel: why is your ip for your mail server in a different range than your web server?

17:06 <xcamel> shouldn't be..

17:07 <bigt0242000> it is according to a whois lookup

17:07 <xcamel> lemme look - might be a typo

17:08 <bigt0242000> your in the 208 range. your mail server is in the 68 range.

17:08 <bigt0242000> 67*

17:08 <xcamel> that's the old addy.. hmmmm...

17:08 <xcamel> who's whois?

17:08 <PovAddict> did you update the MX record too?

17:09 <xcamel> yeah..

17:09 <xcamel> what whois did you use?

17:09 <bigt0242000> http://whois.domaintools.com/lledgerock.com

17:09 <Romulus> Title: Lledgerock.com - l Ledge Rock (at whois.domaintools.com)

17:09 <xcamel> mail.lledgerock.com.    7200    IN      A       208.125.167.78

17:09 <xcamel> it's correct here..

17:10 <bigt0242000> http://whois.domaintools.com/67.151.25.83

17:10 <Romulus> Title: Whois record for 67.151.25.83 (at whois.domaintools.com)

17:11 <xcamel> DT isn't realtime..

17:11 <CoderForLife> did you update the authoritative DNS, and set it to a shorter replication cycle to push out the change?

17:11 <xcamel> try it via dig.

17:13 <xcamel> like I said before - total FUBAR

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17:16 <bigt0242000> lol

17:25 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:25 <bigt0242000> hey

17:33 <CoderForLife> hold onto your hats: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,428849,00.html

17:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/4gj5gd> (at www.foxnews.com)

17:35 <xcamel> lol - "Earth Flips Us Off!"

17:37 * Soul_keeper i a picture story reader

17:37 <Soul_keeper> is*

17:44 <PovAddict> what the

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17:50 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

17:50 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

17:51 <efc> i read a theory a while back that the earth's magnetic field is generated by uranium in the core and that it was just about fissioned out

17:51 <efc> kinda far out there..

17:53 <Rookie_69> Waiting to see what Kyle turns into before deciding whether to race sunday or not...

17:53 <Rookie_69> I thought it was blamed on all the iron in the core.

17:54 <efc> thats the accepted theory

17:56 <Rookie_69> I've never had the opportunity to test the magnetic properties of uranium before.

17:56 <efc> maybe it was the fission keeping the core hot enough to generate the fields, i dunno

17:58 <efc> wow, am I really seeing this? High Definition Sunglasses

17:59 <PovAddict> o_O

17:59 <PovAddict> "This is HDTV. It's got better resolution than the real world".

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17:59 * KathrynM yawns

17:59 <efc> they're called 'high definition wrap-arounds' really, that sounds bad

17:59 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM - hap Sat

18:00 * xcamel also yawns

18:00 <CoderForLife> TGIF xcamel

18:00 <KathrynM> yes indeed

18:00 <efc> the kind of stuff they run on RFDTV

18:00 <xcamel> indeed

18:01 <PovAddict> ditto on TGIF

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18:11 <xcamel> well.. rain over for a bit..

18:11 <KathrynM> clear and cool here

18:11 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

18:11 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Clear. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:71 F. / 22 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F. / 13 C.; Overcast. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:57 (1 more message)

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18:19 <CoderForLife> cear and clool here

18:20 <MTughan> clool?

18:20 <Rookie_69> Cear?

18:20 <wdsmia> clooless

18:20 <KathrynM> l's cropping up everywhere

18:20 <MTughan> lol, I missed that first one...

18:20 <KathrynM> migrating l's?

18:20 <CoderForLife> not clear, not cool

18:21 <CoderForLife> cear and clool

18:21 <KathrynM> :)

18:21 <CoderForLife> at least that woke everyone up =)

18:21 <MTughan> 3.

18:21 <MTughan> Wrong channel...

18:22 <MTughan> Oh well, random 3's now!

18:22 * CoderForLife has the job in #boinc to provide periodic entertainment

18:22 <xcamel> "3" is not random..

18:22 <CoderForLife> 4 is random

18:22 <MTughan> xcamel: Any absolute number is not random. CFL is.

18:23 <KathrynM> You want random?  Come to Korea

18:23 <KathrynM> the whole country is frigging random

18:23 <KathrynM> It's so random that the randomness is predictable

18:23 <MTughan> Different culture, not necessarily random.

18:23 <KathrynM> no.  random

18:23 <xcamel> fractal chaos..

18:23 <KathrynM> lol

18:23 <CoderForLife> I aM N0t RaNd0M

18:23 <MTughan> Hardly random if it's predictable.

18:24 <KathrynM> the randomness no longer surprises me

18:26 <bigt0242000> lol

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18:27 <CoderForLife> on a more serious note, df on my dev Linux box shows root at 98% in use

18:27 <KathrynM> eek

18:27 <KathrynM> Pov introduced me to the fun of ddate

18:28 <CoderForLife> using JDiskReport to try to get some pie charts to find what's eating disk space

18:29 <CoderForLife> any better strategy for finding where the disk went?

18:29 <xcamel> fsview..

18:30 <KathrynM> Because I know next to nothing of fun stuff like JDisk, I'd do a quick glance using ls

18:30 <KathrynM> to see if anything stuck out

18:30 <KathrynM> ls -hl?

18:31 <KathrynM> then I'd start panicking :)

18:32 <xcamel> Kdirstat

18:34 <PovAddict> kdirstat rocks

18:35 <CoderForLife> I'll have to run that downstairs

18:35 <CoderForLife> JDiskReport just finished on /var

18:37 <CoderForLife> ah - there's one issue

18:42 * CoderForLife removes F9 network install directory from server

18:45 <xcamel> lol - Nazi Pelosivitch

18:45 <xcamel> Farny Prank

18:46 <xcamel> Crass Scrod

18:46 <xcamel> Charly Skruumer

18:47 <xcamel> Cast of "The life and times of Ben Dova"

18:47 <CoderForLife> lol

18:48 <CoderForLife> I sent Boehner there to keep things on track

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18:51 <CoderForLife> brb

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18:52 <xcamel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5tZc8oH--o

18:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Burning Down The House: What Caused Our Economic Crisis? (at www.youtube.com)

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19:15 <CoderForLife> got up at 3:45am, going to go lay down

19:15 <CoderForLife> gn all

19:15 <wdsmia> cya

19:15 <bigt0242000> c ya

19:16 <KathrynM> nighty night

19:19 <xcamel> laterz..

19:19 <wdsmia> cya

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19:31 <xcamel> 'lo BB

19:31 <bigt0242000> hey BadBarbarian

19:32 <BadBarbarian> hi there

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19:49 <Rookie_69> Boo.

19:50 <Rookie_69> ... I mean Bedtime...

19:50 <Rookie_69> NN.

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19:52 <xcamel> lol

19:53 <wdsmia> *lo Jay 13M ;)

19:53 <xcamel> 13M?

19:53 <xcamel> oh..

19:55 <wdsmia> turned off PG and turned on MW so the race is on to 1M ;)

19:56 <PovAddict> I'm doing Spinhenge on all machine atm

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19:58 <wdsmia> thats nice PovAddict

19:58 <PovAddict> installed BOINC on three computers at w$%&

19:59 <wdsmia> wish I could do that would 10x my credit

19:59 <PovAddict> it's not like they care about the software running on them...

19:59 <PovAddict> I don't think any has a legal copy of Windows btw

19:59 <Soul_keeper> be carefull

20:00 <Soul_keeper> corporations are known to sue employees for that

20:00 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

20:00 <wdsmia> or just fire them

20:00 <PovAddict> yeah right

20:00 <xcamel> or both

20:00 <wdsmia> yep

20:01 <PovAddict> last week me and another guy were trying to get around yet another activation problem on the pirated Windows 2003 on the server...

20:01 <PovAddict> you really think they'd care about BOINC? :P

20:02 <Soul_keeper> not if you got dirt on them :)

20:03 <PovAddict> I mean, they don't care about installing WGA cracks on the *server* (which hosts Active Directory, DHCP, DNS, mailserver, and probably something else), why'd they care about me installing BOINC on my machine and on two others that nobody's currently using

20:04 <PovAddict> if I were them I'd worry more about the crack program screwing up the server than about BOINC screwing up an otherwise-unused desktop machine

20:05 <wdsmia> you can tell them that when you own the company till them you work on there wim

20:15 <efc> &math convert 3.8 miles to km

20:15 <Romulus> efc: 6.1155072

20:15 <efc> 29:04

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20:27 <efc> will pay for it tommorrow..

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20:35 <wdsmia> @eddie I used to run like that... but that was almost 30 years ago and had a big nasty army DI chasing me

20:36 <efc> I'd prefer a 20 year old blond college track team instructor, but to each his own..

20:36 <wdsmia> lol

20:37 * wdsmia has socks older then 20 years

20:38 <efc> dad claims he was running 6 min miles in the army but I don't believe it..

20:39 <efc> On the magnetic field topic: Here's the 'non-mainstream' theory I was talking about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georeactor

20:39 <Romulus> Title: Georeactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

20:39 <wdsmia> not in full pack

20:41 <efc> I could probably run a 6 if not making it meant a tour in 'Nam

20:42 <efc> but under more reasonable circumstances I run a 7

20:42 <efc> but with aforementioned blond 20 year old pacing me, could probably do a few notches better than that

20:45 <wdsmia> lol

20:48 <efc> hard to figure out what pace will just barely not kill me

20:48 <wdsmia> that would be a 1 hr mile for me lol

20:49 <wdsmia> of cource that towing the cart with the keg

20:52 <efc> Alternate fuels: Beer

20:52 <wdsmia> when running you need them carbs

20:56 <efc> "OSP/ISP Engineer (Afghanistan) position posted on the DTN" Yeah I'm gonna jump all over that one

20:59 <wdsmia> whats the money?

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21:01 <efc> No word. It would have to be pretty crazy..

21:01 <efc> Or, they could give me totally cool weapons

21:02 <wdsmia> Im sure I have been shot at for a shit load less

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21:09 <efc> sounds like a IT mercenary type company

21:18 * Soul_keeper is watching the presidential debates

21:19 <PovAddict> I think my parents are too

21:20 <Soul_keeper> your parents sound like excellent citizens

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21:27 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: we aren't in the US :P

21:27 <PovAddict> my mom mentioned something about being jealous of the kind of debates candidates have there

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21:27 <PovAddict> compared to presidential candidates over here

21:27 <Soul_keeper> ic, you're that guy in argentina then ?

21:27 <PovAddict> yeh

21:28 <bigt0242000> well it would be better if ALL the candidates were there

21:28 <Soul_keeper> it's too late for that

21:29 <Soul_keeper> they didn't want ron paul :(

21:29 <bigt0242000> to late for what?

21:29 <Soul_keeper> already had the primaries

21:29 <Soul_keeper> you mean 3rd party candidates ?

21:29 <bigt0242000> yes

21:31 <bigt0242000> esp. nader from the independent and barr from the libertarian party

21:32 <Soul_keeper> ron paul used to be with the libertarian party, he jumped ship tho to try to get elected

21:32 <bigt0242000> yep now he is supporting barr

21:33 <Soul_keeper> he wanted to take back the republican party and return them to their conservative roots i suppose

21:35 <bigt0242000> i don't care for either candidates on tv right now

21:35 <Soul_keeper> i'm voting mccain,  obama is way too left, and has a lot of dirt on him

21:36 <bigt0242000> all they're doing is blowing smoke

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21:37 <bigt0242000> Missed Votes 24% (306) Sen. Barack Obama [D-IL] since Jan 6, 2005. Ouch!

21:38 <bigt0242000> Missed Votes 18% (738) Sen. John McCain [R-AZ] since Feb 4, 1993. Not to bad.

21:39 <Soul_keeper> obama just shows up and votes "present"

21:39 <Soul_keeper> he's done that a few hundred times, can't decide between yes or no

21:39 <bigt0242000> present and no vote shouldn't even be an option

21:40 <quail> morning all

21:40 <bigt0242000> good evening

21:41 <PovAddict> xcamel: I *just* got a message saying my test email to you couldn't be delivered yet, and that it will try for two more days

21:41 <bigt0242000> XD

21:41 <bigt0242000> never got one back that said it would try for 2 more days

21:42 <PovAddict> if it's a temporary failure, you get one of those after 24 hours

21:42 <PovAddict> then after the 2 days pass, you get another saying basically "message still didn't get through, giving up"

21:42 <bigt0242000> the ones I get back says the postmaster couldn't deliver

21:43 <PovAddict> that's a permanent failure, server gives up immediately

21:47 <bigt0242000> Soul_keeper: lol this is suprising. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-592

21:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3sncqd> (at www.govtrack.us)

21:47 <bigt0242000> a motion to leave: FAILED

21:55 <bigt0242000> Soul_keeper: mass email? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VO6DORwBzuA

21:55 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - What if Firefighters Ran the World? (at www.youtube.com)

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21:56 <Soul_keeper> i saw that on tv the other week

21:56 <bigt0242000> lol

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21:58 <bigt0242000> would it be considered spam if i sent that to 553 people?

21:58 <PovAddict> depends who those people are

21:59 <bigt0242000> congressmen and women

21:59 <bigt0242000> maybe it'll get the "do nothing" congress off the butts and do something useful

22:00 <PovAddict> go ahead then

22:00 <bigt0242000> lol

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22:44 <bigt0242000> Soul_keeper: well I know just about as much of where they stand as I did before the debate

22:44 <wdsmia> wish we had a good choice

22:44 <Soul_keeper> yeah nothing new

22:44 <bigt0242000> lol

22:45 <Soul_keeper> palen will make everything alright :)

22:45 <Soul_keeper> palin*

22:45 <bigt0242000> lol

22:45 <bigt0242000> what's not to like about a good looking hockey mom?

22:46 <Soul_keeper> i think she's the best option out of all 4 of these clowns

22:46 <bigt0242000> lol

22:46 <wdsmia> damn Soul_keeper I have new respect for you

22:47 <Soul_keeper> but i trust mccain a lot more than obama, he's "the comfortable old shoe"

22:47 <wdsmia> Palin 2012

22:47 <bigt0242000> mccain will get elected, kick the bucket, then palin takes office

22:47 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:47 <MTughan> I think I'd rather have Bush than Palin...

22:48 <MTughan> And I'm not even American!

22:48 <bigt0242000> i guess they trying to make the US government look better

22:48 <PovAddict> seen on a forum sig: "Canadians are unarmed Americans with free health care"

22:49 <Soul_keeper> lol

22:49 <MTughan> And a hell of a lot more compassion and understanding.

22:49 <Soul_keeper> they are our liberal buddies from the north

22:49 <Soul_keeper> :)

22:49 <bigt0242000> lol

22:49 <MTughan> US just tried to force their politics on everyone. We accept them as they come.

22:49 <MTughan> tries*

22:49 <MTughan> Need present, not past tense...

22:50 <PovAddict> MTughan: one could say "unarmed" is related to "more compassion and understanding" ;)

22:50 <MTughan> And I don't care if everyone here starts hating my ass. :P

22:50 <bigt0242000> well we american try to accept them too

22:50 <MTughan> bigt0242000: But don't you make them American rather than letting them separate into sections?

22:50 <MTughan> At least that's what I've heard, with the "melting pot".

22:51 <bigt0242000> we need term limits on congress

22:51 * PovAddict curses the word "American"

22:51 <bigt0242000> MTughan: well we're kinda split into 3 sections now

22:52 <MTughan> Heh... Any coincidence that I'm listening to "Revolution" by P.O.D.?

22:52 <bigt0242000> PovAddict: lol

22:52 <PovAddict> America is a damned CONTINENT

22:52 <MTughan> Two, actually.

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22:52 <PovAddict> whatever; point is it's not the US alone

22:53 <MTughan> No, North and South America? Notice the AMERICA in there?

22:53 <bigt0242000> MTughan: Far Left, Far Right, and everybody else

22:53 <bigt0242000> MTughan: you forgot central america

22:53 <PovAddict> well okay, let's count them separated

22:53 <MTughan> Isn't McCain more left/right than the rest of his party? (I can't keep left and right straight anymore...)

22:53 <MTughan> bigt0242000: Technically, that's North America.

22:53 <PovAddict> you're in North America too

22:53 <bigt0242000> i know im in north america

22:54 <bigt0242000> i live in the SE US

22:54 * wdsmia thinks MTughan would vote for doug and bob mckenzie

22:54 <MTughan> I can technically say that Pov is north of me... :P

22:54 <Soul_keeper> MTughan any coincidence that POD came from my city ...   and so did blink 182 that crashed recently ?

22:54 <MTughan> wdsmia: Yeah, eh? Gotta love those two... :D

22:54 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: LA? I don't remember where POD came from now...

22:54 <Soul_keeper> san diego

22:55 <MTughan> Yeah, Wiki verifies.

22:55 <Soul_keeper> heh

22:55 * PovAddict notes the US demonym in Spanish literally translated back to English would be something like "unitedstatian"

22:55 <bigt0242000> MTughan: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/spectrum.xpd mccain is in the middle, obama to the far left

22:55 <Romulus> Title: GovTrack: The Political Spectrum (at www.govtrack.us)

22:56 <MTughan> Wow, what a mess... That like your politics? xD

22:56 <bigt0242000> yep. that's why it's called the "do nothing" congress

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22:57 <MTughan> lol, I believe it.

22:58 <bigt0242000> my rep and 2 sens do a decent job

22:58 <MTughan> That's all you can really guarantee. When is your election?

22:59 <bigt0242000> Nov

22:59 <MTughan> Seems like our election will be called and over in less than half the time yours took... :P

23:02 <MTughan> Yep, called September 7th, we're going to the polls on October 14th.

23:02 <bigt0242000> polls are open for 12 hrs takes about a day for all the result to come in. then it's decided unless we have another florida type problem.

23:02 <PovAddict> and you get to vote MTughan?

23:02 <MTughan> Basically 6 and a half weeks.

23:02 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yes. First time.

23:02 <MTughan> bigt0242000: lol, that was Gore and Bush, 2000, right?

23:02 <bigt0242000> yep and again in 2004

23:03 <MTughan> Although Kerry there.

23:03 <bigt0242000> hanging chads i think they called them

23:03 <MTughan> I don't remember hearing about problems in Florida that election...

23:03 <PovAddict> I remember a reporter of a local news program

23:04 <PovAddict> running inside the White House saying "here we are... before the poll for the President... of the World"

23:04 <MTughan> lol...

23:04 <bigt0242000> paper ballots caused issues in 2000, electronic voting machines caused issues in 2004, and i'm guessing both will cause issues this go round

23:05 <wdsmia> count on it

23:06 <wdsmia> been a long week NN all

23:07 <bigt0242000> all the courts had to do was force the voting machine companies to release there souce code. then we would more than likely have a smoother election

23:08 <PovAddict> could be completely legitimate software, but with the database tinkered with after the voting... hard to track that down

23:09 <bigt0242000> well its hard for the entries in the software to make it to the db if the software enters null entries or crashes

23:09 <MTughan> Oh yeah... Did you know that we have a Marijuana party here? Only thing they want to do: legalize marijuana. xD

23:09 <bigt0242000> we have a green party and i have no idea what they want to do

23:15 <Soul_keeper> tree huggers

23:15 <Soul_keeper> their main goal is extermination of the 2 party system, beyond that i doubt they even know what they want

23:16 <bigt0242000> lol

23:17 <PovAddict> in some IRC channel about a programming language (dont remember which), they mentioned some framework, I asked what it was about, and they told me "I think they're still debating that"

23:17 <Soul_keeper> figures

23:17 <bigt0242000> XD

23:29 <bigt0242000> can holloywood make anything more boring? come on a movie about a guy who invented the intermitin windshield wiper

23:30 <Soul_keeper> hmmm that former nsync guy is singing country now ...

23:30 <bigt0242000> so is jessica simpson

23:36 <bigt0242000> hollywood is desprate. they made a movie about bush.

23:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah

23:37 <Soul_keeper> they want as much money as they can get to advance their agendas

23:38 <bigt0242000> Soul_keeper: which news station are you watching?

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23:54 <Soul_keeper> bigt0242000, watching cmt now ...

23:55 <bigt0242000> eww

23:57 <Soul_keeper> yeah no hot chicks singing it seems

23:58 <bigt0242000> i'm watching cnn

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