IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-10-01

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00:29 <mweltin> Tank?  Mtughan? Pov?

00:29 <MTughan> mw!

00:29 <mweltin> BUDDY!!!

00:29 <mweltin> it's been too long.

00:29 <mweltin> how are you?

00:29 <MTughan> Saw you join a couple days ago, but that was at 6AM my time... :P

00:29 <MTughan> Earliest I'm ever up now is 7:30AM.

00:30 <MTughan> Anyway... DOING GREAT!

00:30 <mweltin> nice, I'm trying to get back into boinc.  Saw Pov has started a google project

00:31 <MTughan> Ah, Synecdoche?

00:31 <mweltin> yeah that

00:31 <MTughan> Should be cool once it's more stable...

00:32 <mweltin> so what is it?

00:32 <mweltin> just the client or more

00:32 <MTughan> A port of BOINC. Whole thing.

00:32 <mweltin> WOW!!!!

00:33 <mweltin> are you keeping the code base or starting from scratch?

00:33 <MTughan> I don't know if anything's going on in the server section right now, but the client's definitely getting lots of work.

00:33 <MTughan> Keeping the code base and improving. It'd be one heck of a job to start from scratch... :P

00:34 <mweltin> has Dave Anderson said anything about it?

00:34 <MTughan> Not that I know of directly.

00:35 <mweltin> wow

00:36 <mweltin> so what caused the switch.  I mean i thought anyone was welcome to supply patches and work on BOINC why the move to a new project?

00:36 <MTughan> Well sure. Doesn't mean they get into the source.

00:37 <MTughan> Plus DA and others never seem to even check if their code works... We've seen some fairly blatant errors in some checkins that would cause an error right away while compiling.

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00:38 <mweltin> yeah they could use tags dont know why they dont

00:39 <mweltin> always have a "latest stable" that builds and passes their regression tests.

00:39 <mweltin> you pull from the trunk you can get junk once in a while.

00:39 <mweltin> it's all done by grad students anyway right?

00:40 <MTughan> lol, something like that.

00:41 <mweltin> I wonder how that environment is set up.  I mean I konw Dave does some stuff directly.  He has even fixed somethings and emailed me back to say it was in subversion and to check it out

00:41 <mweltin> I'm tyring to get a job at the University of Hawaii

00:42 <MTughan> I thought you were in AS?

00:42 <mweltin> I kind of pushed the BOINC think on my cover letter.

00:42 <mweltin> yeah I am

00:42 <mweltin> I'm ready to leave.  Although had the coolest experience about a week ago.

00:43 <mweltin> I was out on a dive boat and got to see a humpback whale breech three times not 10 yards from the boat.

00:43 <mweltin> it was CRAZY

00:43 <MTughan> Nice! Got something similar, but small whales in the east coast of Canada.

00:43 <MTughan> This summer, that is.

00:44 <mweltin> the trade winds have just died down here so getting out in the boat is easier.

00:44 <mweltin> last month it was all shore dives.

00:45 <mweltin> I'm at a 195 dives so far, trying to break 200 in the next week or so.

00:45 <MTughan> Cool...

00:45 <mweltin> How is Tank doing?

00:46 <MTughan> Windows crazy as usual... :P

00:46 <mweltin> how are credits going to work with that synecdoche?

00:47 <mweltin> tell me you are going to ditch credits

00:47 <MTughan> I imagine the same way as now. Remember, they're either fixed credits or based on calculations... Oh, I don't know if about the credit system.

00:48 <mweltin> best and worst thing about BOINC is credits

01:02 <mweltin> I gotta run

01:02 <mweltin> take care

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01:30 <Tank_Master> faa

01:30 <Tank_Master> I missed mw

01:34 <Tank_Master> at least MTughan was there

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01:45 <efc> moo

01:46 <Tank_Master> guess who you missed

01:47 <efc> MW ..

01:47 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:47 <Tank_Master> bout time that lazzy bugger got back..

01:47 <Tank_Master> :P

01:47 <efc> &last olds

01:47 <Romulus> efc: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a net!@#& the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)

01:48 <efc> &seen olds

01:48 <Romulus> efc: I have not seen olds.

01:48 <efc> sniff

01:49 <efc> did he give up on his project?

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02:11 <efc> nice, canada lets the IOC trademark 'winter' '2010' and some line out of the national anthem

02:18 <Tank_Master> lol

02:18 <Tank_Master> just like when "supper bowl" was trademarketed

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02:20 <efc> Losing your top in the Supper Bowel doesn't sound as appetizing

02:32 <efc> They need a Bowel Bowl

02:37 <Tank_Master> lol

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03:31 <efc> "Acme delivery service, on the other hand, is second to none. Wile E. can merely drop an order into a mailbox, and have the defective and/or dangerous product in his hands (or on top of him) within seconds"

03:37 <Tank_Master> :P

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04:24 <dudumomo> hmmm.....A big increase on Docking by SUSA ...

04:25 <efc> ?

04:26 <dudumomo> the RAC

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04:31 <Tank_Master> we pushed that a long time ago

04:31 <Tank_Master> SUSA - Seti.USA

04:32 <efc> Oh

04:35 <CoderForLife> hmm

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04:37 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

04:37 <KathrynM> evening

04:37 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:37 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 54.2F / 12.3C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the (1 more message)

04:38 <CoderForLife> &more

04:38 <Romulus> CoderForLife: lower 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

04:38 <efc> moo CFL

04:39 <CoderForLife> moo efc

04:39 <KathrynM> moo efc and CFL

04:47 <Tank_Master> gn KM

04:47 <Tank_Master> n efc n cfl

04:47 <CoderForLife> cya

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05:43 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

05:43 <CoderForLife> laterz

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08:00 <KathrynM> Can anyone recommend a good wireless router?  I need at the minimum to be able to use OpenDNS, and there's no way to set that up in the router I currently have.

08:12 <paul_b> N or G"

08:16 <KathrynM> dunno

08:16 <KathrynM> how do I find out?

08:16 <paul_b> N is the new wireless standard, better, faster, G is the old

08:17 <paul_b> N is backwards compatible

08:17 <paul_b> but is more costly

08:17 <KathrynM> G I guess

08:17 <paul_b> $50 vs$100 US roughly

08:17 <KathrynM> How new is new?

08:18 <KathrynM> One laptop is o18 months old, the other nearly that

08:18 <KathrynM> err nearly a year

08:18 <paul_b> year or so

08:18 <KathrynM> G then

08:19 <paul_b> does it have to be OpenDNS?

08:20 <paul_b> DYnDNS is more widely supported, although unsure if they all are similar

08:20 <KathrynM> My ISP sucks

08:20 <KathrynM> it's wrecking havoc with a bunch of stuff

08:20 <KathrynM> not using their DNS servers would be wonderful

08:20 <paul_b> blokcing ports and stuff?

08:21 <KathrynM> I can't even explain it because I don't understand it.

08:21 <KathrynM> But somehow my computers think they're part of the ISP's domain and my system mail is all bollocked up (Linux)

08:21 <KathrynM> this internal mail.  nothing that should be going out to the internet

08:22 <paul_b> ohh, thought you were doing domain forwarding

08:22 <KathrynM> nope

08:22 <KathrynM> but having a router that has an English interface would be heavenly.

08:22 <KathrynM> There's no way to switch mine from Korean to anything else

08:23 <paul_b> huhh, IIRC, most all the home routers i've seen have an ip entry to use a dns of your choice

08:24 <paul_b> but i am no network guy

08:24 <KathrynM> I'm certainly no network gal, but I had the husband of a coworker come over and there's no way to set DNS in the router

08:24 <paul_b> what router?

08:25 <paul_b> you're in Korea?

08:25 <KathrynM> yes

08:25 <KathrynM> brand name is "Unicorn"

08:25 <KathrynM> Model is "BW-850"

08:25 <paul_b> eek

08:26 <KathrynM> why eek?

08:26 <paul_b>

08:26 <Romulus> <> (at

08:26 <KathrynM> lol

08:26 <KathrynM> nice if you can read Korean

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08:36 <paul_b> checking

08:53 <FreeLarry> humm KathrynM - looks like that routers internal language will be korean also

08:56 <FreeLarry> humm good router - i use a linksys wrt54g - been fairly good to me

09:01 <KathrynM> thanks FreeLarry.  I emailed my brother who does the networking for my family.  Told him to go buy me a good router when my dad's up at school with him this weekend.

09:02 <KathrynM> I'm pretty sure my bro uses LinkSys

09:02 <KathrynM> at least at my dad's house.  He has some industrial strength god only knows what thing in his apartment.  I guess his professors have taught him well :-)

09:06 <paul_b> well darn, i guess you don't want to find out who rebranded that router and flash it with the retail version firmware, then. :(

09:06 <paul_b> heh

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10:17 <FreeLarry> paul_b that takes some resources i don't have access to anymore ;0

10:18 <FreeLarry> but the case styles look familiar to many models here

10:22 * FreeLarry is reconsidering his midrange plans for retirement overseas - wifes already making statements that i should retire to her homecountry then go out and work overseas from there ???

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12:03 <Tank_Master> hiya fl

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12:30 <FreeLarry> morn Tank_Master

12:30 <Tank_Master> sup?

12:32 <FreeLarry> not much

12:32 <FreeLarry> just taking care of some bills and chores

12:33 <FreeLarry> humm vista will only run in safe mode if boinc running and only on one project is it stable then

12:34 <FreeLarry> looks like problems with video driver or sound drivers

12:41 <FreeLarry> will try different drivers from ati instead of M$ updates

12:43 <Tank_Master> good idea...

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12:49 <FreeLarry> great only problem is have to have vista started normally to use network connections

12:50 <FreeLarry> and vista machine doesn't operate long enough to do it

12:50 <Tank_Master> odd

12:50 <Tank_Master> what does it do?

12:51 <Tank_Master> an underpowered powersupply can cause problems

12:51 <Tank_Master> cause it to partly lock up

12:54 <FreeLarry> doesn't detect local network

12:55 <FreeLarry> as for what happens during normal operation - machine just reboots mostly after screen flash - very seldom it locks up

12:55 <FreeLarry> dl'iong the ati suite on that machine currently and will try to run in safe mode first

12:56 <Tank_Master> gl

12:56 <FreeLarry> yeah need it

12:56 <Tank_Master> :)

12:59 <FreeLarry> no good in safe mode - disabled boinc and trying to start in normal mode

13:03 <FreeLarry> humm so far so good

13:03 <Tank_Master> good

13:05 <FreeLarry> install went good it looks like restarting and going to try boinc again

13:06 <Tank_Master> huh

13:06 <Tank_Master> might be memory issue?

13:06 <Tank_Master> or the CPU or vid card isnt seated correctly, and/or is bad

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13:07 <FreeLarry> yeah - machine really hasn't been stable since i got it

13:07 <FreeLarry> dang crashed while trying to register product

13:07 <Tank_Master> lol

13:07 <PovAddict> did RAM checks already?

13:08 <Tank_Master> that sucketh

13:08 <FreeLarry> ram checks ran fine for over 24 hrs

13:09 <FreeLarry> vid card has been reseated  a couple of times

13:13 <FreeLarry> ah well runtime errors from ati site for registration so no go

13:16 <FreeLarry> well got it running but for how long - longest time recently has been 18 minutes in normal mode so checking

13:18 <Tank_Master> you have motherboard drivers installed?

13:18 <Tank_Master> from the site

13:18 <Tank_Master> not from the CD or winupdate

13:28 <FreeLarry> yup

13:28 <FreeLarry> 13 minutes and stable so far

13:28 <FreeLarry> been able to use more than one program at time too

13:29 <FreeLarry> so hopefully

13:30 <FreeLarry> noticed that the ati suite added a free trial for world of warcraft on machine

13:30 <FreeLarry> never played that game so maybe later

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13:42 <FreeLarry> humm looks like it may be stable now

13:44 <KathrynM> paul_b, not that I wouldn't want to, but I'm too much of an idiot to do that

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13:45 <PovAddict> what is that answering to? o_O

13:45 <PovAddict> oh the router stuff

13:45 <FreeLarry> router repackaging from earlier PovAddict

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14:03 <FreeLarry> well defrag on vista caused it to crash

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14:14 <H2AH> hi

14:14 <H2AH> &wx 20011

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14:15 <H2AH> &more

14:15 <Romulus> H2AH: Lows in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

14:15 <H2AH> I am seeking an open source GNU/GPL licensed virtual machine similar to VMware

14:16 <H2AH> does anyone know of any?

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14:28 <PovAddict> H2AH: VirtualBox?

14:29 <H2AH> PovAddict I'm researching this on behalf of Andrew

14:30 <PovAddict> no idea who "Andrew" might be

14:30 <H2AH> PovAddict He is my research colleague with H2AH and he attended the Grenoble Conference with me

14:31 <H2AH> Povaddict I think he is interested in the VM approach CERN has taken

14:31 <PovAddict> I just noticed what H2AH is :P

14:31 <PovAddict> hydrogen@home

14:32 <H2AH> Anyway I found a source forge project that might work but I don't know if there is some license

14:32 <H2AH>

14:32 <Romulus> Title: Open Virtual Machine Tools (at

14:32 <H2AH> trying to find one

14:33 <H2AH> oh I got it I have the wrong profile up :-(

14:33 <H2AH> let me out

14:33 <H2AH> exit

14:33 <H2AH> quit

14:33 <H2AH> ahh

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14:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx berlin, germany

14:33 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.39in / 995hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 8:20 PM CEST; Rain. High:55 F. / 13 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Clear. Low:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. High:50 F. / 10 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:39 F. / 4 C.;

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14:34 <jackygrahamez> I'm back

14:34 <yoyo[RKN]> ui

14:34 <yoyo[RKN]> hi jackygrahamez

14:34 <jackygrahamez> Hi Yoyo

14:34 <PovAddict> Open VM Tools seems to be just the guest tools, to give you extra features when you run an OS inside VMware; it's not a free virtual machine, you need VMware too

14:35 <jackygrahamez> I see

14:35 * yoyo[RKN] thought vmware has also a free version?

14:35 <FreeLarry> humm looks like simap causes vista instability too

14:35 <PovAddict> yoyo: only free as in price; I doubt it allows even unmodified redistribution

14:35 <jackygrahamez> I guess its a question whether there is a free, open and redistributable vm

14:36 <yoyo[RKN]> I doubt too

14:38 <jackygrahamez> looks like there are several Virtual machine projects on sourceforge, I should probably read through them all

14:40 <PovAddict> jack: note some may be *emulators* (like QEMU) rather than virtualizers, which will be a lot slower, and performance matters for your needs

14:40 <jackygrahamez> understood

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14:44 <PovAddict> I'm reading about VirualBox internal architecture - high change it won't work from a limited user account... seems to need admin privileges

14:44 <jackygrahamez> PovAddict I'll send you Andrew's wish list

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15:15 <sstarbuck> this motherboard is driving me mad (and hi all)

15:16 <sstarbuck> it keeps overvolting the cpu, causing it to overheat

15:17 <PovAddict> jack: CUDA? I don't know of ANY virtual machine software, not even proprietary, that lets you access the host GPU; most emulate a graphics card without even basic 3D features

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16:06 <Tank_Master_> I think hypervisor allows access to the hardware

16:10 <wdsmia_w> Total credit 1,000,001 MilkyWay@home ;)

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16:41 <PovAddict>

16:41 <Romulus> <> (at

16:45 <CoderForLife> hmm

16:46 <Tank_Master_> lol

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17:09 <PovAddict> wow

17:09 <PovAddict> a forum sig:

17:09 <PovAddict> "You mean there were SEATBELTS??"

17:09 <PovAddict>

17:09 <PovAddict> --Me, after getting off a rollercoaster ride, circa 2005.

17:12 <sstarbuck> wonder if anyone here could help: does anyone know of an AM2 socket mini-ITX motherboard?

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17:15 <zombie67>

17:15 <Romulus> Title: Mini-ITX News (at

17:16 <zombie67>

17:16 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:19 <sstarbuck> thanks

17:20 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:20 <Tank_Master> re-wb

17:21 * CoderForLife peeks in and waves

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17:28 * Tank_Master whips CoderForLife with a mouse cord

17:29 <Tank_Master> 6.3.10's scedualer is messed up

17:29 <CoderForLife> IT'S NOT MY FAULT

17:29 <Tank_Master> I have 8 30 min WUs on a quad core that are all due in 7 days

17:29 <FreeLarry> sure it is - its always the coders fault even if the hammer head fell off

17:29 <Tank_Master> and its running them in high priority

17:29 <PovAddict> running at the same time?

17:30 * CoderForLife roots through his weapons stockpile

17:30 <Tank_Master> no, 4 are running

17:30 <FreeLarry> lol

17:30 <PovAddict> ah

17:30 <Tank_Master> but its that they are running in high priority

17:30 <PovAddict> there was a worse problem in some 6.3 version... if you had GPU apps running, it started infinite CPU apps

17:30 <Tank_Master> an hrs worth of work thats not do for 7 days...

17:30 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: what's your "connect every" setting?

17:30 <Tank_Master> that was 6.3.11

17:30 * CoderForLife extracts a menacing looking rifle object from the pile

17:31 <Tank_Master> connect overy 0 days

17:31 <Tank_Master> cache 01 days

17:31 <Tank_Master> .1*

17:31 <PovAddict> 0.1?

17:31 <PovAddict> weird

17:31 * FreeLarry trys to remember - one of the project i have seem to always run in high priorty no matter what boinc version i use

17:31 <Tank_Master> ramsey?

17:31 * CoderForLife thumbs the power switch, and is greeted with a red glow and humming sound

17:32 * CoderForLife fires his ACME Goo Gun at Tank_Master

17:32 <FreeLarry> ohhh look CoderForLife found my hair drier

17:32 <CoderForLife> you use Goo, FreeLarry?

17:32 <FreeLarry> only way to keep something on top of head

17:32 * Tank_Master sends schools of tripod angelfish at CoderForLife

17:33 * CoderForLife flips his Goo Gun into reverse

17:33 <FreeLarry> ahh walking popcorn

17:36 <Tank_Master> lol

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17:53 <MTughan> 'lo mw

17:53 <mweltin> hey MTughan

17:53 <MTughan> Tank_Master: mw's here again.

17:54 <PovAddict> zomg

17:54 <mweltin> hey Tank!

17:54 <mweltin> Pov!

17:54 <PovAddict> he's alive

17:54 <CoderForLife> hey mweltin - wb

17:54 * KathrynM yawns

17:54 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

17:54 <MTughan> Yay, let's have ourselves a big orgy! xD

17:55 <mweltin> CFL KathrynM hi

17:55 * PovAddict slaps MTughan with his LCD screen

17:55 <MTughan> lol

17:55 <Tank_Master> mw!

17:55 <Tank_Master> dude

17:55 <mweltin> ahh the fun of it all

17:55 <Tank_Master> whered you been?

17:55 <mweltin> how I missed #boinc slaps

17:55 <mweltin> busy

17:55 * Tank_Master pushes mweltin into a crevasse

17:55 <mweltin> but all my contracts have dried up for the moment

17:56 <mweltin> and I'm looking for jobs in Hawaii

17:56 <PovAddict> mweltin: Tank_Master doesn't slap much anymore, but he has a crevasse full of people by now

17:56 <Tank_Master> thought you fell off an underwatter cliff

17:56 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: dont forget Im enlarging my carbon foot print by burning houses

17:56 <mweltin> funny you should mention that.  I did get a little stuck in a cave once.

17:56 <PovAddict> and burning people

17:56 <Tank_Master> no

17:56 <Tank_Master> just houses

17:57 <Tank_Master> lol mweltin

17:57 <Tank_Master> bet that wasnt fun

17:57 <MTughan> And we're back to the usual random #boinc babble...

17:57 <Tank_Master> yep

17:57 <KathrynM> lol

17:57 <mweltin> buring people is a net gain carbon wise.

17:57 <PovAddict> ah yes...

17:57 <mweltin> consider all the resources they would use in their life

17:57 <Tank_Master> depends on the polition

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17:58 <PovAddict> > grep 'Tank_Master burns ' ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/logs/freenode*boinc.log

17:58 <PovAddict> [mar sep 16 2008] [02:46:26]     * Tank_Master burns hawmps_'s house down

17:58 <PovAddict> [mar sep 23 2008] [21:26:51]     * Tank_Master burns Romulus's house down

17:58 <PovAddict> [lun sep 29 2008] [20:41:02]     * Tank_Master burns PovAddict's house down

17:58 <PovAddict> [mar sep 30 2008] [14:14:10]     * Tank_Master burns Romulus's house down

17:58 <MTughan> rofl...

17:58 <Tank_Master> lol

17:58 <mweltin> so Pov what is up with the Syncedonkey ?

17:58 <PovAddict> lol

17:58 <mweltin> i can't spell or say it

17:58 <MTughan> Man, Rommie's house is a double crisp now.

17:59 <PovAddict> MTughan: triple

17:59 <Tank_Master> it was his second house

17:59 <PovAddict> hawmps and Romulus live in the same place :)

17:59 <Tank_Master> lol

18:00 <Tank_Master> so, mw..

18:00 <mweltin> yes Tank?

18:00 <Tank_Master> ye gonne fire TSP back up?

18:00 <MTughan> Well, I'm off to play LEGO Star Wars... See you all later.

18:00 <KathrynM> have fun

18:00 <Tank_Master> hf, MT

18:01 <PovAddict> mweltin:

18:01 <Romulus> Title: Why Open Source Software / Free Software (OSS/FS, FOSS, or FLOSS)? Look at the Numbers! (at

18:01 <mweltin> not soon anyway.   I'm trying to get a job at UH and I was pushing boinc on my cover letter.  If they bite I'll be releaseing workuints for them to see it in action.

18:02 <mweltin> I have a new contract that starts in two weeks state side. Portland actually.

18:02 <mweltin> a new company called APDM.

18:02 <mweltin> I have to learn RoR and Flex3 in the next two weeks.

18:02 <Tank_Master> nice

18:02 <Tank_Master> I know where portland is :P

18:02 <mweltin> TSP doesn't really add to science very much.

18:03 <mweltin> not after I heard about concord.

18:03 <Tank_Master> concord?

18:03 <Tank_Master> its not always about science, sometimes its for the fun and experence

18:04 <mweltin> some guy from Georgia tech.

18:04 <mweltin> conconrd does the same thing as TSP but its much better at it.

18:05 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok

18:06 <Tank_Master> so does this mean youll be comming to portland?

18:07 <mweltin> no with any luck I'll be going to Hawaii

18:07 <mweltin> but you never know.

18:07 <Tank_Master> k

18:07 <mweltin> you are welcome to come visit if you like.

18:08 <mweltin> tyring for Maui but most of the jobs are in Honolulu.

18:08 <mweltin> My blood has got very thin on this island.

18:08 <mweltin> Porltand now seems cold to me.

18:08 <mweltin> hahahahahaahah

18:09 <Tank_Master> lol

18:09 <Tank_Master> I lke the cold though

18:10 <mweltin> well good for you, plus the diving sucks in Portland, and not much better on the coast.

18:10 <mweltin> water is 81 degrees here.

18:10 <mweltin> mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

18:10 <Tank_Master> lol

18:11 <Tank_Master> yeah

18:11 <Tank_Master> cept I dont drive downtown

18:11 <mweltin> haha

18:12 <mweltin> what was up with some naked lady jogging down waterfront park?

18:12 <Tank_Master> LOL

18:12 <mweltin> it was on "wait wait doen't tell me"

18:12 <PovAddict> pictures or it didn't happen

18:12 <Tank_Master> no, she's still doing it I think

18:12 <mweltin> apparently construction workers complained, so I don't think I want to see pictures.

18:13 <Tank_Master> its apprently legel to be naked as long as your not doing it for sexual purposes

18:13 <mweltin> LOL

18:13 <mweltin> awesome

18:13 <mweltin> only in portland

18:13 <Tank_Master> no kiddin

18:13 <mweltin> I believe you

18:13 <Tank_Master> however, its leagel anywhere in the states for a female to be topless

18:14 <CoderForLife> don't try that in Cincinnati

18:14 <PovAddict>

18:14 <Romulus> <> (at

18:14 <Tank_Master> it was determaned by the supream cort to be discrimonatory againce woman if they are foced to ware a shirt

18:14 <CoderForLife> don't try that in Cincinnati

18:15 <Tank_Master> LOL

18:15 <Tank_Master> nice pic

18:15 <Tank_Master> the chick to the right is impressed

18:15 <PovAddict> covering his child's eyes

18:15 <PovAddict> ...

18:15 <PovAddict> her

18:15 <Tank_Master> yeah

18:17 <mweltin> I saw a chick walking her dog topless in Eugen once.  it wasn't pretty.

18:17 <Tank_Master> LOL

18:17 <Tank_Master> it, or they?

18:17 <PovAddict> people who are willing to walk around naked are exactly those people who make you sick when you see them naked

18:18 <Tank_Master> not always

18:18 <PovAddict> I mean randomly in the street, not in pr0n :P

18:19 <Tank_Master> with the exception of beaches, perhaps

18:28 <CoderForLife> well, ok, how's them LHC WUs coming along?  =)

18:28 <PovAddict> I'm running a few

18:28 <PovAddict> and SIMAP has work too

18:29 <CoderForLife> any idea what the LHC work has to do with?  how to rebuild superconducting magnets?

18:29 <KathrynM> I loaded up on SIMAP.  Hopefully I'll pass 100K this month

18:29 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: they apparently simulate beams flying inside the tube

18:30 <CoderForLife> beams that were, or beams to be?

18:30 <PovAddict> it's cheaper to have workunits abruptly terminating early than to have a particle smashing into the tube wall in *real life* :)

18:31 <CoderForLife> agreed

18:31 <CoderForLife> virtual is cheaper than real

18:32 <CoderForLife> having reality suddenly terminate would be bad

18:39 <KathrynM> &wx Ulsan

18:39 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1018hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Clear. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Clear. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Clear. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Clear. Low:62 F. / 17 C.;

18:40 <mweltin> I agree I hate it when my computer suddenly terminates

18:40 <CoderForLife> as another case in point

18:43 <Tank_Master> :P

18:45 <CoderForLife> T_M's tongue is another

18:47 * Tank_Master sends hordes of lemmings over CoderForLife

18:47 * CoderForLife just laughs

18:47 <Tank_Master> :)

18:48 <CoderForLife> I solved that game long ago

18:48 <CoderForLife> blockers and diggers

18:48 <zombie67> LHC uses lhc@home for figuring how to aim the magnets

18:48 * Tank_Master gives CoderForLife a tongue lashing

18:48 <PovAddict> I once got lemmings for PalmOS...

18:48 <Tank_Master> lol

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19:28 <efc> moo

19:29 <mweltin> hey efc

19:39 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: ping

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19:40 <CoderForLife> away for the rest of the evening - gn

19:40 <PovAddict> bai

19:40 <mweltin> night cfl

19:42 <PovAddict> lol, maybe I should post this one to LHC forum

19:42 <Romulus> Title: Count Your Sheep - Tuesday, August 14, 2007 (at

19:48 <FreeLarry> humm after looking all i se is colaping matter

19:48 <FreeLarry> and fingers not working

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20:39 <nickuwo> holy crap it's mweltin

20:40 <Tank_Master> lol

20:40 <Tank_Master> you know him?

20:40 <mweltin> hey nickuwo

20:40 <nickuwo> si, senor...

20:40 <Tank_Master> koo

20:40 <nickuwo> how are ya?

20:40 <mweltin> yes I'm very popular

20:40 <mweltin> good

20:41 <Tank_Master> apparently so

20:41 <mweltin> how are you doing?

20:41 <Tank_Master> nother reason to get the project runnin

20:41 <Tank_Master> ;)

20:41 <Tank_Master> nickuwo here is staring up his own project

20:41 <nickuwo> not too bad, busy :)

20:41 <mweltin> it should be running by now

20:42 <Tank_Master> refine "running"

20:42 <Tank_Master> lol

20:42 <mweltin> he was starting it when I met him

20:42 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:42 <Tank_Master> I started working on it a few weeks ago

20:42 <nickuwo> you planning on getting back into TSP?

20:43 <mweltin> not in the near future,

20:43 <Tank_Master> no, he's to lazy

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20:43 <mweltin> running a project takes a lot of work.

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20:44 <nickuwo> I'm finding that out the hard way :)

20:44 <mweltin> LOL

20:44 <Tank_Master> :P

20:44 <Tank_Master> at least nickuwo is staring off on a quad core comp with 8GB ram

20:44 <mweltin> let me guess people have an issue with credits?

20:44 <mweltin> hahaha

20:45 <Tank_Master> not some punky ol' laptop and 128k connection thats shared for the entier country

20:45 <mweltin> what a laptop with 256kb and a sub dialup speed connectoin isn't good enough?

20:45 <Tank_Master> actualy itworked quite well

20:45 <Tank_Master> suprisingly enough

20:45 <mweltin> yeah it was a shock

20:46 <Tank_Master> helped when pov allowed you to redirect some of the larger fiels

20:46 <Tank_Master> files*

20:47 <mweltin> yeah

20:47 <mweltin> Pov was a life saver on that, and many many other issues.

20:47 <nickuwo> I read you might be getting a job in Hawaii? that'd be awesome

20:47 <mweltin> I hope so.

20:47 <mweltin> we will see

20:48 <mweltin> I applied at the giant telescope they have their

20:48 <Tank_Master> sweet

20:48 <nickuwo> nice!

20:48 <nickuwo> programming?

20:49 <Tank_Master> gonna sit on your lazy duff all day playing astronomer?

20:49 <mweltin> yeah,  controll systems

20:49 <nickuwo> look who's talking Tank - do you even have a job? :)

20:49 <bigt0242000> lol

20:50 <Tank_Master> :P

20:50 <mweltin> I applied at with the dept of education, Univ. of Hawaii, and NOAA.

20:51 <nickuwo> I'm jealous - put in a recommendation for me :) - they hiring philosophers?

20:51 <mweltin> you have a degree in philosophy?

20:51 <bigt0242000> i just started a new job today. started 7 and a half weeks of training. my head hurts.

20:52 <nickuwo> I will in 3 months - Philosophy, Math, and Japanese

20:53 <mweltin> there are jobs for english/Japanese speakers in hawaii

20:53 <nickuwo> hmmm...interesting

20:53 <mweltin> not so much Philosophy, but Navy is always looking for math folks.

20:55 <nickuwo> I'd have to think about that... not so sure I want to work for the military... might be interesting though...

20:57 <mweltin> check out the rcuh as well

20:57 <mweltin> research corp. of the Univ. of Hawaii

20:58 <mweltin> NOAA hires a lot of contractors from there.

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20:59 <nickuwo> I'll defintely check that out

21:06 <efc> Hmm, movies coming up: Star Trek 11 (!?!), Terminator 4, X Men Origins

21:08 <Tank_Master> sweet

21:09 <Tank_Master> ST11 will be during the time kurk was in the academy

21:09 <Tank_Master> so just before TOS

21:10 <mweltin> ok on that note I'm outta here

21:10 <mweltin> nice

21:10 <mweltin> "seeing" you guys again

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21:11 <zombie67> mweltin!!

21:13 <zombie67> well crap

21:13 <PovAddict> lol

21:13 <Tank_Master> lol

21:13 <zombie67> did he say the status of TSP?

21:13 <Tank_Master> I did that last night to

21:13 <PovAddict> zombie67:

21:13 <PovAddict> yes

21:13 <PovAddict> <mweltin> not in the near future,

21:13 <Tank_Master> not in the near future

21:14 <PovAddict> sounds like "not anytime soon; die waiting"

21:14 <zombie67> it woudl be good for him to post that on his site.

21:14 <Tank_Master> 700w PS for 180

21:14 <Tank_Master> not bad

21:14 <Tank_Master>

21:14 <Romulus> <> (at

21:20 <Tank_Master> bailout bill passes

21:20 <Tank_Master> the rich get richer

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21:27 <Soul_keeper> write your congressman Tank_Master

21:28 <Tank_Master> heh

21:28 <Tank_Master> like they wil lisen

21:28 <Soul_keeper> you can always try

21:29 <Soul_keeper> tell him your church group voted for him and you have the utmost confidence that he'll make the "right" decision

21:29 <Tank_Master> lol

21:31 <Soul_keeper> what it's really about is a power grab by the government

21:31 <Soul_keeper> they are basically becoming more socialist, this is essentially a tax on us as well

21:31 <Soul_keeper> the profits they make off this stuff will never be seen by you and me

21:31 <Soul_keeper> they'll just use it to fund their political agendas

21:32 <Tank_Master> agreed

21:33 <Soul_keeper> in the end the government will have more controll over the stock market, banks, and every financial company,   they'll be bigger, and they'll regulate everything more  chipping away at capitalism

21:33 <Soul_keeper> kinda like france ...

21:33 <Tank_Master> and they will cut down on the amount of oil we can use

21:34 <Tank_Master> further making us dependant on handouts

21:34 <Soul_keeper> every time they give us a handout, we have to trade more freedoms

21:34 <Soul_keeper> this stuff is pretty much irreversible

21:34 <Tank_Master> yep

21:35 <Soul_keeper> the government doesn't even have 700 billion dollars

21:35 <Soul_keeper> they'll have to print it

21:35 <Soul_keeper> this will desimate the dollar

21:35 <efc> that didn't stop them from spending the 8 trillion before it

21:36 <Soul_keeper> yes they like spending our money

21:36 <efc> in theory they will get most of this back (...)

21:37 <Soul_keeper> and they'll spend it on beurocracy and subsidies for stupid things like ethanol

21:37 <Tank_Master> they dont care about getting it back

21:37 <Tank_Master> they can always take more

21:38 <Soul_keeper> it's really pretty scary

21:38 <Soul_keeper> we are essentially doing the opposite of what russia did after the fall of the USSR

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21:38 <Soul_keeper> instead of selling government owned companies to private entities, the government is taking controll of them

21:39 <Soul_keeper> the government is now  regulator, stock trader, company owner, taxer, etc.   major conflict of interest

21:40 <Soul_keeper> glad i don't have any kids yet

21:43 <Soul_keeper> the bill that failed the house vote was just over 100 pages long,  the senate bill is well over 400 pages long,  that's a lot of earmarks

21:48 <Tank_Master> yeah

21:48 <Tank_Master> wasnt the first drift like 2-3 pages?

21:50 <Soul_keeper> that was a summary from paulson i believe

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22:40 <Tank_Master> :P

23:14 <nickuwo> whats the validate state for a pending wu? 2?

23:15 <zombie67> getting kinda late for POV

23:15 <nickuwo> hmm

23:16 <zombie67> not that it always stops him

23:16 <zombie67> but i don't think he's even idling, which is odd

23:17 <nickuwo> hard to fathom...

23:17 <nickuwo> does he go to school or anything?

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