IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-10-02

00:03 <zombie67> high school, i think

00:05 <zombie67> brb

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00:44 <zombie67> nickuwo

00:44 <zombie67> getting errors when trying to upload

00:45 <zombie67> odd errors

00:45 <zombie67> er, not when uploading, when reporting

00:45 <zombie67> "[error] no close tag in scheduler reply"

00:46 <zombie67> never seen that one before

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03:38 <efc> moo

03:51 <zombie67> oom

03:52 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 48.5F / 9.2C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 1.2mph / 1.9km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny in the (1 more message)

03:52 <CoderForLife> cooler

03:52 <CoderForLife> &more

03:52 <Romulus> CoderForLife: morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of showers. Highs in the upper 60s. West winds around 5 mph.;

03:53 <zombie67> &wx 94568

03:53 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 76.1F / 24.5C | Humidity: 28% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly clear early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Slight chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the mid to upper 50s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Slight chance of rain in the (1 more message)

03:53 <zombie67> &more

03:53 <Romulus> zombie67: morning. Highs in the upper 70s. South winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Alameda County in effect until 6:00 AM PDT on October 02, 2008;

03:54 <CoderForLife> morning zombie67

03:54 <zombie67> hi cfl

03:54 <zombie67> still night here

03:55 <CoderForLife> same

03:55 <CoderForLife> morning is when you wake up =)

03:56 <zombie67> exactly

04:08 <CoderForLife> bbiab  breakfast

04:24 <efc> moo gain

04:24 <CoderForLife> moo efc

04:25 <CoderForLife> b

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04:29 <CoderForLife> brb

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04:51 <efc> nice, they snuck in some pork with the bailout

04:51 <CoderForLife> some?!

04:51 <Romulus> It has been said that some are macs with the windows enhancements added to them, CoderForLife

04:51 <efc> 100 mill for race tracks

04:52 <efc> ignoring the main bacon, of course

04:52 <CoderForLife> lol

04:52 <CoderForLife> it's a Baconator burger with all the extras

04:53 <efc> some pile of money for wooden arrow makers and importers of something from hondurus or some place like that

04:53 <CoderForLife> a heartattack hamburger

04:53 <efc> They put another giant nail in the coffin of the US and can't help adding a few extra staples for good measure

04:54 <CoderForLife> you can add a whole bunch of characters in a novel 451 pages long

04:56 <efc> there needs to be a public call to remove whoever added the pork in this thing, its inexcusable

04:56 <efc> if its so important how can they jeapordize it with this garbage

04:57 <CoderForLife> the seasoning was added to try to mask the odor

04:57 <CoderForLife> to get it past the nose of the public


04:57 <efc> yes that really belongs in there

04:58 <CoderForLife> you like, *reading* the bill?

04:58 <efc> Sec. 317. Seven-year cost recovery period for motorsports racing track facility.

04:58 <efc> Sec. 308. Increase in limit on cover over of rum excise tax to Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands.

04:58 <efc> Sec. 325. Extension and modification of duty suspension on wool products; wool research fund;

04:58 <efc> just pulling exerpts from blogs

04:58 <efc> but these match what I heard on the news

04:59 <CoderForLife> you'll never make it in Congress if you start reading bills

05:00 <CoderForLife> brb

05:00 <efc> It would be a nice pay raise

05:02 <efc> also, apparently if they actually manage to make money from this, thats already going to pet projects not back in the treasury

05:11 <efc> heh, the house version of the bill available at the govt website conveniently leaves out the pork

05:12 <CoderForLife> pre-Senate version?

05:13 <efc> yeah

05:13 <efc> after the senate got done they are up to..

05:13 <efc> Sec. 602 - Transfer to abandoned mine reclamation fund

05:13 <efc> 300 new sections!

05:14 * CoderForLife sighs

05:14 <efc> some choice exceprts here

05:14 <Romulus> <> (at

05:15 <efc> 450 pages, doubt i'll get through that

05:15 <efc> but thats less than 2 billion dollars per page

05:16 <CoderForLife> heh

05:16 <CoderForLife> has the total grown?

05:18 <efc> don't think so, not counting the pork of course

05:18 <CoderForLife> I thought I saw a number over $800B

05:19 <efc> what kind of soup should i be stocking up on, and how deep should I dig my bunker

05:19 <CoderForLife> beanie-weenies

05:20 <CoderForLife> deeper than my retaining wall

05:21 <efc> the good stuff starts on page 263

05:22 <CoderForLife> ... just reading about carbon capture requirements...

05:22 <efc> 322 - Tax incentives for investment in the District of Columbia   - they can't even vote, how'd they get that in there

05:23 <efc> Sec. 324. Extension of enhanced charitable deduction for contributions of book

05:23 <efc> inventory.

05:23 <efc> MMkay

05:25 <CoderForLife> public debt ceiling changed to $11,315,000,000,000

05:26 <efc> 37.7k for every person

05:26 <CoderForLife> FDIC insurance limit changed to $250,000 - until 12/31/2009

05:26 <efc> that one is kind of nice

05:26 <CoderForLife> what happens on 1/1/2010?

05:27 <efc> i suggest you remove money before then and not find out

05:27 <CoderForLife> zackly

05:28 <KathrynM> as if I have that much money to worry aboutr

05:28 <CoderForLife> hey KathrynM

05:28 <KathrynM> hey

05:33 <CoderForLife> time to shower - bbiab

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06:03 <CoderForLife> b

06:10 <CoderForLife> off with me to w@#%

06:10 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:24 <desti>

07:42 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20001

07:42 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 54.4F / 12.4C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1008.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 8.0mph / 12.9km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny and breezy. Highs in the upper 60s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 40s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. (1 more message)

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08:37 <ELGono> lo doug

08:41 <wdsmia_w> morning Gono

08:51 <nickuwo> Tank_Master?

08:51 <Romulus> Rumor has it Tank_Master is now, nickuwo

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10:40 <quail> xcamel: ping

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12:21 <Tank_Master> yes, nickuwo?

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16:34 <dudumomo> Hi folks

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17:01 <Tank_Master> hi

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17:29 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:31 <CoderForLife> hello

17:31 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:32 <CoderForLife> hey Doug

17:32 <CoderForLife> &seen xcamel

17:32 <Romulus> CoderForLife: xcamel was last seen in #boinc 2 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <xcamel> nytol..

17:32 <CoderForLife> &seen hawmps

17:32 <Romulus> CoderForLife: hawmps was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 6 hours, 1 minute, and 22 seconds ago: <hawmps> houston, we have IP addys now...

17:33 * wdsmia wonders if he went down south

17:33 <CoderForLife> left us no word, afaik

17:35 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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18:00 <CoderForLife> b

18:01 <KathrynM> morning

18:01 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM =)

18:01 <CoderForLife> happy weekend for you

18:01 <KathrynM> indeed

18:01 <PovAddict> "it seems as women age they accept men need to be told what to do, and as men age they accept women need to tell them what to do"

18:02 <KathrynM> lol

18:02 <CoderForLife> hmm

18:03 <PovAddict> "BSD is like Gentoo, but with much more refined trolls"

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18:06 <PovAddict> <Adrinael> rj1, your compiler is older than the new pope

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18:29 * KathrynM yawns

18:29 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

18:29 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 56°F / 13°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Clear. High:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Clear. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Clear. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Overcast. Low:64 F. / 18 C.;

18:40 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:40 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 69.1F / 20.6C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 40s. West wind around 5 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 60s. Northeast wind around 5 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Low around 40. East wind around 5 mph.;

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19:06 <CoderForLife> off 4 2 nite

19:06 <CoderForLife> laterz

19:18 <Tank_Master> gn

19:43 <zombie67> how do I change a service install to a regular install?

19:44 <PovAddict> reinstalling

19:44 <PovAddict> remember uninstall doesn't get rid of the data files

19:44 <PovAddict> alternatively

19:44 <PovAddict> if you just need it once (not permanently change the install mode)

19:44 <PovAddict> you can stop the service, and run the manager (which will start the client as a normal process)

19:45 <zombie67> no, I want to change the installation to regular

19:45 <PovAddict> then yes, uninstall (keeps data) and reinstall as normal user

19:45 <Tank_Master> you can also set the service to disabled

19:46 <zombie67> okay, so which is the code button for "regular installation"?

19:46 <PovAddict> in 6.x? no idea

19:47 <PovAddict> I only used that installer twice

19:47 <zombie67> 1)  "Protected application execution", or 2) "Allow all users ...."?

19:47 <PovAddict> disable PEX

19:47 <PovAddict> actually, I'm now not sure if you *can* install as non-service in 6.x

19:47 <zombie67> so this will copy all the project info back to Programs?

19:48 <Tank_Master> not the protected

19:48 <PovAddict> (you surely can run it as non-service, but I don't know if the installer has any code left to set things up like that anymore)

19:48 <Tank_Master> the protected install is the service install

19:48 <PovAddict> zombie67: running as a service and putting data in a separate directory are independent things

19:48 <PovAddict> you can have any of the 4 combinations

19:48 <zombie67> okay, let me be more specific

19:48 <Tank_Master> all 6.x.x clients use 2 direstories

19:49 <zombie67> I currently run 6.x as service installation

19:49 <Tank_Master> there no way around it

19:49 <zombie67> I want to go back to 5.x, non-service

19:49 <Tank_Master> then just install 5.x

19:49 <PovAddict> then you have to run the 5.x installer

19:49 <zombie67> does 5.x know how to copy all the stuff back?

19:49 <Tank_Master> 5/10/45 will move the data folder back into the program folder

19:49 <PovAddict> no

19:49 <PovAddict> 6.x uninstaller will put the data back

19:49 <Tank_Master> yesh, it does

19:49 <Tank_Master> both do

19:50 <PovAddict> 5.x installer doesn't know anything about a separate data folder

19:50 <PovAddict> it can't move anything

19:50 <Tank_Master> ive installed 5.10.45 ontop 6.3.10

19:50 <Tank_Master> and it migrated the data back

19:50 <PovAddict> ah yeah, that's because 5.x installer runs the uninstaller of whatever version is already there

19:50 <Tank_Master> make since

19:50 <PovAddict> forgot about that

19:51 <zombie67> but for future reference, unchecking PEX will make it non-service?

19:51 <PovAddict> no

19:51 <PovAddict> the 6.x installer has no way to install as non-service

19:51 <PovAddict> no matter what checkboxes you use

19:51 <Tank_Master> yeah it does

19:51 <Tank_Master> the non PEX is the non service mode

19:51 <PovAddict> I *think* it still can install as non-service if you have Win9x

19:52 <Tank_Master> at least for the 6.3.x series

19:52 <Tank_Master> you must not install BOINC as a service to be able to get access to the video card for crunching

19:52 * PovAddict goes read documentation

19:53 <Tank_Master> apparently vista wont allow services to interact with the video driver or soemthing like that

19:53 <Tank_Master> its been mentioned a lot over at ps3grid

19:54 <PovAddict> ok you're right

19:54 <PovAddict> it's non-service

19:54 <PovAddict> "Graphics compatible: the client runs only when a user is logged in. It and applications run under the account of the logged-in user. This allows users to see graphics from older as well as newer science applications, or projects with long running tasks which won't complete for a while. The client does not run as service. With this option, only the installing user and members of the Administrators group can control BOINC (i.e. attach/detach projects)."

19:59 <zombie67> thanks for the help

19:59 <Tank_Master> np

20:01 <zombie67> TM, you're not on the team channel

20:02 <Tank_Master> I cant connect

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20:58 <Tank_Master> nickuwo - do you still need a 250GB HD?

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22:33 <FFEMTcJ> im on ubuntu.. do i have to have the boinc manager running for it to be proccessing work units?

22:34 <PovAddict> no, boinc starts processing even before you login

22:35 <FFEMTcJ> ok.. to install it on a server which has no monitor.. just install boinc client or do i have to install manager also?

22:35 <PovAddict> client only

22:35 <FFEMTcJ> ok

22:35 <FFEMTcJ> thanks

22:36 <PovAddict> if you have no X on that machine at all, when you try to install the manager it will download several dozen megabytes of X libraries :)

22:37 <FFEMTcJ> lol

22:37 <FFEMTcJ> ok

22:39 <FFEMTcJ> how do i get my boinc manager to connect to the server?

22:40 <FFEMTcJ> i typed the hostname.. what is the password? the system password or something else

22:40 <PovAddict> the password set in /etc/boinc-client/gui_rpc_auth.cfg

22:41 <PovAddict> you also need to put the IP of the computer running the manager into /etc/boinc-client/remote_hosts.cfg on the computer running the client

22:41 <FFEMTcJ> is there a proper format or just a password

22:41 <PovAddict> just the password alone

22:41 <PovAddict> once you modify those two files (you'll probably need root privileges to edit them), run: sudo /etc/init.d/boinc-client restart

22:42 <FFEMTcJ> ok

22:42 <PovAddict> and on that note, I go to sleep ->

22:43 <FFEMTcJ> thanks.. goodnight

22:48 <FFEMTcJ> hmm

22:48 <FFEMTcJ> it isnt connecting

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23:34 <efc> moo

23:45 <FFEMTcJ> efc: do you know anything about getting boinc manager to work with a client on another computer on linux?

23:47 <efc> nothing specific to Linux.. there are a couple files you have to edit, on windows

23:47 <FFEMTcJ> right

23:48 <efc> remote_hosts.cfg

23:48 <FFEMTcJ> the gui_rpc and remote_hosts.. i did that. im thinking my problem might have to do with not having the correct port open.. but i cant find anything saying what port

23:48 <efc> I guess its named the same

23:48 <FFEMTcJ> for linux

23:48 <FFEMTcJ> only windows

23:49 <efc> will look through the files, one minute

23:50 <efc> hmm, apparently you can create a cc_config

23:51 <efc> .xml

23:51 <FFEMTcJ> that exists

23:52 <efc> perhaps, port 31416

23:52 <FFEMTcJ> i opened that to no avail

23:52 <FFEMTcJ> and i dont know where to find logs that might help

23:52 <efc> If you could open it then at least its available so thats probably not your problem

23:55 <efc> still looking

23:56 <efc> when you try to use the manager what happens?

23:57 <FFEMTcJ> i do select computer.. type the hostname and password.. hit ok

23:57 <FFEMTcJ> it says connecting

23:58 <FFEMTcJ> then connection failed

23:58 <FFEMTcJ> boinc manager is not able to connect to a boinc client

23:58 <FFEMTcJ> would you like to try again

23:59 <efc> Hmm, I'm not sure at this point (I never got BOINC going under Linux at all..)

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