00:09 <nickuwo> zombie67, if you don't mind me asking, how long are the new wu taking you?
00:10 <nickuwo> I mean with your fastest app?
00:13 <MTughan> Wow... Hit 14,000 credits, even.
00:15 <Soul_keeper> amazing
00:15 <Soul_keeper> that's about what the dow hit before it crashed :)
00:16 * efc sells Soul_keeper's body parts to recoup his losses
00:16 <MTughan> rofl... I'm up 6100 credits on the day according to BOINCStats, all from Ramsey. In BOINC combined, that means I'm up 690 positions. In Ramsey, that means I'm up 59. xD
00:17 <Soul_keeper> how much do they give you for a kidney ?
00:17 <Soul_keeper> they grow back right ?
00:17 <Soul_keeper> i heard it was like 900 bucks ...
00:18 <efc> I'm not going to promise a lot for your liver
00:20 <Soul_keeper> it could be damaged ...
00:20 <Soul_keeper> non-mint condition :)
00:21 <efc> Amy Winehouse might trade with you..
00:22 <Soul_keeper> lo
00:22 <Soul_keeper> lol
00:24 <zombie67> back
00:25 <zombie67> nickuwo, you still there?
00:25 <zombie67> you are asking how long your new apps are taking?
00:26 <zombie67> still crunching through 1.14 versions. Haven't got to the 1.16 stuff yet.
00:40 <nickuwo> so you still have the 1.16 app?
00:40 <nickuwo> or 1.14?
00:42 <zombie67> I am still burning through a backlog of tasks with 1.14.
00:42 <zombie67> will probably take a day or so before I get to the 1.16 stuff
00:43 <zombie67> Oh. If I reset te project, will I re-download the same tasks, but with the new app?
00:47 <nickuwo> hmm, not sure, I guess I was just wondering how fast crunch3r's app was going :)
00:47 <zombie67> oh! That
00:47 <zombie67> well, I only had his PPC app.
00:47 <zombie67> I was trying it out
00:48 <zombie67> But I just set all my PPC machines to no new work today
00:48 <MTughan> Official PPC app is compiled by me. Not sure what he used, but I've tried to optimize is as much as possible without any code changes.
00:48 <zombie67> he told me that they won't validate going forward
00:48 <zombie67> MT, this was crunch3r's app, I have been using
00:48 <MTughan> It does use Altivec.
00:49 <zombie67> BUT, i do have cruch times
00:49 <MTughan> I know. But the 1.16 apps in the project are from me.
00:49 <zombie67> cool
00:49 <nickuwo> crunch times from the ppc app?
00:49 <MTughan> Not even sure how he got PPC apps... He must use something other than Intel's compiler, because there's no way that the Intel compiler can make PPC apps.
00:49 <zombie67> crunch3r's apps, do it < 300 sec for G4
00:50 <zombie67> he used GCC...does that sound right?
00:50 <MTughan> Yeah, that's better than me... I'm up around 480 seconds for Intel...
00:50 <nickuwo> hmm, ok... that's about par for 1.14 right?
00:50 <MTughan> GCC? Possible.
00:50 <nickuwo> ok 2/3 still not bad...
00:50 <nickuwo> he's got a fancy intel compiler i know
00:50 <zombie67> that is for a ***G4***
00:51 <MTughan> Although... Current app I'm using doesn't have -ftree-vectorize.
00:51 <MTughan> Let me see if I can switch apps.
00:51 <zombie67> amazing, eh?
00:51 <nickuwo> MT: linux or mac?
00:51 <MTughan> Mac.
00:51 <nickuwo> ahh
00:51 <zombie67> the odd thing is that a G5 is not significantly faster.
00:51 <nickuwo> hmm
00:52 <MTughan> I'll stick in 1.14 just to be consistent. I can always go to 1.16 aftewards.
00:52 <zombie67> nickuwo, we are both talking about PPC/OSX
00:52 <nickuwo> gotchya
00:52 <MTughan> Yeah, not PPC/Linux.
00:52 <zombie67> so crunch3r was not using his fancy intel compilers stuff for that, I assume
00:52 <MTughan> Okay, I'll swap the apps in about 4 minutes.
00:53 <MTughan> Not Intel's compiler, but he may have some other fancy compiler.
00:53 <zombie67> doubt it
00:53 <zombie67> lemme look
00:54 <nickuwo> I think he optimized the source with the compiler, then compiled it on a couple platforms... could be wrong tho
00:54 <zombie67> intel & msft stuff
00:54 <MTughan> For the PPC apps?
00:54 <zombie67> no, that is the stuff he is using
00:54 <zombie67> for the windows apps
00:54 <MTughan> I was wondering for OS X PPC.
00:55 <zombie67> like I said, GCC, I think
00:55 <MTughan> All right... Could be a major speed increase with -ftree-vectorize. The apps you have are compiled with it nickuwo.
00:55 <MTughan> Just the ones I'm currently running does not...
00:55 <MTughan> 2 minutes.
00:55 <zombie67> he does more than just compiler flags, I think
00:56 <MTughan> Probably. I haven't played with the source any.
00:57 <zombie67> again, I could be just passing gas here....I have never done any of this stuff myself. So this is all second hand
00:57 <MTughan> Understood.
00:58 <zombie67> oh!
00:58 <zombie67> so, there is a functoning PPC stock app again??
00:58 <MTughan> For 1.16, yes.
00:59 <nickuwo> ?
00:59 <nickuwo> thx to MTughan
00:59 <zombie67> nickuwo, when I asked you about it a few days ago, you told me you pulled it, and waiting for help.
01:00 <zombie67> cool. I'll turn my PPC's back on, w/o the app_info.xml
01:00 <nickuwo> that was true, MT compiled the new one for me - which reminds me, I forgot to give you credit MT, brb
01:00 <MTughan> lol...
01:00 <zombie67> nice! MT get's credit at another project!!
01:01 <MTughan> Anyway, new app in place, we'll see if I get any speedup...
01:01 <zombie67> mindemodeling, Ramsey, AI(?)...others?
01:01 <MTughan> TSP.
01:01 <zombie67> right!
01:01 <nickuwo> MT, what's your nick on Ramsey?
01:01 <MTughan> jedirock
01:01 <nickuwo> nice
01:01 <MTughan> They do. :P
01:01 <zombie67> strong with this one, the force is
01:02 <MTughan> Or at least with a compiler. xD
01:02 <MTughan> No, but seriously: any project you're looking for me, I'm always jedirock.
01:04 <MTughan> Also, about the credits: 13 hours at E@H gets me about 225 credits. 9 hours on my 2.5GHz Windows machine gets the same credit. And I find that E@H is pretty high.
01:06 <zombie67> it is if you have a modern cpu
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01:06 <nickuwo> ok, I set it to 75 credits per wu and they take me about 3.5 hours...
01:06 <MTughan> Well, so far it's cut about 7 seconds off the estimated time, halfway through the WU. :P
01:06 <nickuwo> maybe a little high still?
01:06 <zombie67> they actually test your cpu, and give you an optimized app if it can use it
01:06 <MTughan> For Ramsey WUs?
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01:06 <nickuwo> yea
01:06 <zombie67> problems d/l ramsey
01:06 <MTughan> If they're three times as long as you said, you're giving the same amount of credits...
01:07 <zombie67> n/m
01:07 <nickuwo> well, the old ones took me about 45 mins
01:07 <zombie67> re-updating fixed it
01:07 <MTughan> &math 3.5 / .75
01:07 <Romulus> MTughan: 4.66666666667
01:07 <MTughan> I think 75 credits is still a little high... Hold on.
01:08 <MTughan> &math (4 + 2/3) * 9
01:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 42
01:08 <MTughan> So 42 minutes about...
01:08 <MTughan> Using E@H's rate at 225/9h.
01:08 <MTughan> &math (225 / 9) * (42 / 60)
01:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 17.5
01:09 <MTughan> 17.5 credits per WU.
01:09 <zombie67> MT, like I said, einstein will give you opt apps if you have a better CPU
01:09 <MTughan> So we say that it takes longer to do the same WU, that just drops the credits/WU even lower.
01:10 <MTughan> Converting to Ramsey, that is.
01:10 <nickuwo> 17.5*3.5 = 61.25, so a bit high still
01:10 <zombie67> rather than comparing to other projects, compare to Ramsey, with previous app
01:10 <MTughan> No, not 17.5 credits per WU, not per hour...
01:10 <MTughan> Damn, that was bad... 17.5 credits/WU, not credits/hr.
01:11 <nickuwo> uhhh...
01:11 <zombie67> agreed
01:11 <zombie67> jibberish
01:12 <nickuwo> r u saying the new 3.5 hour wus should be worth 17.5 credits or r u still talking about E@H?
01:12 <MTughan> SETI grants even less per hour from what I've found.
01:12 <zombie67> even with the opt app?
01:12 <MTughan> The 3.5h WUs should be worth 17.5 credits to match E@H.
01:13 <zombie67> stop comparing to seti
01:13 <MTughan> Hmm, good point... I'm using the stock app.
01:13 <zombie67> compare to the 25 credit WU
01:13 <zombie67> is it more or less?
01:13 <zombie67> per hour, I mean
01:13 <MTughan> With 75 credits per WU at about 4.5 times the length of the previous versions?
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01:13 <nickuwo> I think ur math is off there MT
01:14 <MTughan> &math 25 / (9 / 60)
01:14 <Romulus> MTughan: 166.666666667
01:14 <MTughan> That's how many credits/hr my laptop was getting with previous WUs.
01:14 <MTughan> &math 75 / (42 / 60)
01:14 <Romulus> MTughan: 107.142857143
01:14 <MTughan> With estimates, that's what it'll be getting with the new WUs.
01:14 <zombie67> no way
01:15 <MTughan> 75 credits per WU, using the ratio from Nick's comp, yes.
01:15 <zombie67> my 3ghz Xp machine was taking 1600 seconds
01:15 <nickuwo> 225/9 = 25 credits per hour at E@H so my app should give out 25*3.5 = 87.5
01:15 <zombie67> this is a bit over 50/hr
01:15 <MTughan> Okay, maybe I'm off...
01:15 <MTughan> But I know those last two calculations are right.
01:15 <zombie67> yeah, do over on the math
01:15 <nickuwo> hehe :)
01:16 <MTughan> nickuwo: Remember, the 9 hours is with a stock app on a 2.5GHz C2D.
01:16 <zombie67> my 8-way 2.66ghz (correct this time) machines were doing the 25 credit tasks in 1600 seconds
01:16 <MTughan> &math 1600 / 60
01:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 26.6666666667
01:17 <MTughan> You're kidding...
01:17 <nickuwo> i c
01:17 <MTughan> I've been doing them in 8.5 minutes.
01:17 <nickuwo> yea but those wus were a fluke
01:17 <MTughan> 2.0GHz Core Duo Macbook.
01:18 <MTughan> No, he's saying that his 2.66GHz 8-core Mac Pro did the 25 credit WUs from before in 26-27 minutes average.
01:18 <zombie67> MT, those are the NEW apps, with the old 25 credit
01:18 <MTughan> I'm saying my 2.0GHz Macbook did the same tasks in about 8.5 minutes.
01:18 <zombie67> remember he was giving us a few days???
01:18 <MTughan> Oh, right... Okay, so it increases the time without increasing the credit.
01:18 <MTughan> My machine is estimated to do those WUs in 42 minutes, so that's about right.
01:19 <zombie67> I am talking about the credits we were all running under before nick optimized anything
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01:19 <zombie67> \so compare THAT to the new app, with the longer run time
01:19 <nickuwo> let's base it on the O-riginal WUs, which took me 45 mins on AMD quad 2.8 - 25 credits...
01:19 <zombie67> is THAT more or less?
01:19 <nickuwo> right
01:19 <zombie67> okay, on the same page now
01:20 <zombie67> now do the math again
01:20 <zombie67> brb
01:20 <MTughan> Okay sorry, was looking at stuff... What are we wanting to calculate.
01:21 <nickuwo> 3.5*60/45 = 4.6 * 25 = 115
01:21 <nickuwo> that's same credit per unit time as original wus
01:21 <nickuwo> seems a bit high? or no?
01:21 <MTughan> 115 credits per WU for the new app?
01:22 <nickuwo> yea, 3.5 hours on amd quad 2.8
01:22 <MTughan> Wait, how fast is your machine?
01:22 <nickuwo> ^
01:22 <MTughan> 45 minutes, there's no way the old WUs should've taken that long, compared to what we've gotten...
01:23 <nickuwo> hmm, maybe it was more like 30, but no less
01:23 <zombie67> MT....PAY ATTENTION
01:23 <MTughan> Hey, was looking at grades for a midterm exam in engineering.
01:23 <nickuwo> :p
01:24 <zombie67> we are talking about the original run time...not the BONUS time for the last few days
01:24 <nickuwo> were talking O-riginal wus here, i.e. 3 weeks ago :)
01:24 <MTughan> Which is a little odd, because we're being taught 2D and 3D drawings and programs... And I'm in software engineering.
01:24 <nickuwo> that is odd
01:24 <nickuwo> you sure your in the right class?
01:24 <MTughan> Req'd by the program, yes.
01:24 <nickuwo> hmm
01:25 <MTughan> Anyway, back to the problem at hand...
01:25 <MTughan> So we say 45 minutes to 3.5 hours...
01:25 <zombie67> here's the point: folks were mostly happy with the credits/hr from ~3 weeks ago
01:25 <MTughan> &math (3.5 * 60 / 45) * 25
01:25 <Romulus> MTughan: 116.666666667
01:27 <MTughan> Rommie?
01:27 <zombie67> so if you have the SAME ratio now, with the opt app, and the longer run time
01:27 <zombie67> then you should be golden
01:27 <nickuwo> alright so maybe 125ish is in order
01:27 <Romulus> Somebody said Rommie is the center of attention, MTughan
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01:28 <MTughan> Now, is it a problem that the Mac apps are optimized?
01:28 <nickuwo> thx guys, that got a little rough at times, but we made it :)
01:29 <MTughan> BTW, -ftree-vectorize trims ~10 seconds off. :P
01:29 <zombie67> all apps are optimized now, right?
01:29 <nickuwo> linux used -ftree as well, so should be similiar
01:29 <nickuwo> ya
01:29 <zombie67> just to differeing degrees
01:29 <nickuwo> right
01:29 <MTughan> But then you've got to take the default optimizations into account at some point.
01:29 <zombie67> rule #1: all 64 bit apps should use SSE2
01:30 <nickuwo> done
01:30 <MTughan> -msse -msse2 -mfpmath=sse
01:30 <zombie67> Rule #2: All osx/intel apps should use SSE3
01:30 <nickuwo> well.... actually not sure about linux
01:30 <MTughan> -mss2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse
01:30 <MTughan> Basically the same... :P
01:30 <MTughan> And -mtune=prescott.
01:31 <nickuwo> i used -o3 and -ftree but no explict sse...
01:31 <zombie67> here we go!
01:31 <MTughan> For x86/Linux?
01:32 <MTughan> Or x86_64/Linux?
01:32 <nickuwo> 64
01:32 <zombie67> MT: is there a rule #3 for PPC? Something that should always be done?
01:32 <MTughan> Okay... Yeah, you don't want to use SSE on x86/Linux.
01:32 <MTughan> Altivec and no dynamic PIC for PPC.
01:33 <MTughan> I can provide nickuwo with the proper command line options for GCC on Mac to do all that.
01:33 <zombie67> sweeeeeet
01:34 <nickuwo> ok
01:34 <MTughan> The thing about SSEx is that it mostly works with floating-point, so it won't have as much as an effect on integer based apps such as Ramsey's.
01:35 <zombie67> MT, nick said it sped up his app by ...I don't recall....15%?
01:36 <MTughan> I would expect speedup, but not on as much a scale as an app that was heavy on fp.
01:36 <zombie67> nickuwo?
01:36 <Romulus> I guess nickuwo is haveing problems setting up a BOINC server, can anyone help me, zombie67
01:36 <nickuwo> yea?
01:37 <zombie67> [22:35] <zombie67> MT, nick said it sped up his app by ...I don't recall....15%?
01:37 <zombie67> speaking about SSE2
01:37 <nickuwo> sse on linux?
01:37 <zombie67> don't recall the OS
01:38 <zombie67> you did a before/after comparison a few days ago for me here
01:38 <nickuwo> interesting... ill find the gcc command next time i compile... it is primarily integer math tho
01:38 <zombie67> but, what was the improvement?
01:39 <zombie67> you did it at my request, but I don't recall the improvement amount
01:39 <nickuwo> hmm... if i recall correctly it was win 64, and it was negligible
01:39 <zombie67> no
01:39 <nickuwo> but it's worth a try
01:40 <zombie67> it was at least 10-15%
01:40 <nickuwo> no?
01:40 <Romulus> hmm... no is I supposed to, nickuwo
01:41 <nickuwo> must be thinking of something else... I'll definitely do it then
01:41 <nickuwo> i should have figured gcc did sse2
01:41 <MTughan> It does, but not by default.
01:42 <MTughan> Add "-msse2 -mfpmath=sse" to GCC command lines. Those shouldn't be Mac specific.
01:42 <zombie67> Oct 05 21:13:14 <zombie67>nickuwo: so, is the 64 bit w/ SSE2 faster?
01:42 <zombie67> Oct 05 21:13:35 <nickuwo>oh yea, I forgot to check :)
01:42 <zombie67> Oct 05 21:14:17 <nickuwo>I think so - about 8 mins as opposed to 10ish
01:42 <zombie67> Oct 05 21:14:34 <nickuwo>1/5 not bad
01:43 <MTughan> 20%.
01:43 <zombie67> gotta love the log!
01:45 <nickuwo> oh yea! nice
01:45 <zombie67> so...how to explain a 20% increase with SSE2, when mostly interger?
01:46 <efc> maybe it got the FP ops out of the way (can run them in parallel probably)
01:46 <nickuwo> ooo - when I optimized i took most of the floating point operations out...
01:47 <zombie67> so you optomized after the conversation I posted>
01:47 <zombie67> ?
01:47 <nickuwo> yea, so sse may not do as much... still worth a try
01:47 <zombie67> yeah, worth a similar comparison trial run
01:48 <nickuwo> definitely
01:50 <nickuwo> welp, c u guys 2morrow, thx for the help!
01:51 <MTughan> Same here, almost 2AM.
01:51 <zombie67> gn both of ya!
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02:39 <efc> holy moly...
02:39 <efc> "On 30 September 2008, the total U.S. federal debt passed the $10 trillion mark, for the first time, with about $32,895 per capita (that is, per U.S. resident). Of this amount, debt held by the public was roughly $5.3 trillion. Adding unfunded Medicaid, Social Security, Medicare, and similar obligations, this figure rises to a total of $59.1 trillion, or $516,348 per household."
02:40 <efc> the last figure being the whopper
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03:37 <Tank_Master> just get rid of medicare and medicade
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03:53 <efc> yeah, after you finish paying into it..
03:54 <Tank_Master> exactly
03:58 <Tank_Master> im off to bed
03:58 <Tank_Master> gn ye all
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04:55 <CoderForLife> &ping
04:55 <Romulus> pong
04:56 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
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04:56 <CoderForLife> &more
04:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mid 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northwest after midnight. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.;
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06:34 <hawmps> 'lo
06:36 <CoderForLife> morning
06:36 <CoderForLife> rain this AM
06:36 <CoderForLife> been a LONG time since we had this much
06:37 <CoderForLife> would be nice if I wasn't so worried about the loose dirt on the bare hillsides
06:38 <CoderForLife> anyways - off to the offsite meeting facility for the annual strategic planning meeting
06:38 <CoderForLife> laterz
06:40 <KathrynM> good luck on the meething
06:40 <KathrynM> *meeting
06:41 <CoderForLife> thx KathrynM - I have my 1 hour presentation ready, even if I'm not =)
06:41 <CoderForLife> bye!
06:47 <hawmps> good luck, Don
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12:41 <PovAdct_w> NanoHive officially dead
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12:48 <desti> rip
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16:33 <xcamel> 'lo
16:33 <infinisoft> Hello
16:41 <Romulus> Title: House Slides Down Hill In Oregon - Des Moines News Story - KCCI Des Moines (at www.kcci.com)
16:45 <xcamel> lol - but not funny
16:45 <Tank_Master> said there was significant damage to the houses involved...
16:45 <Tank_Master> ya think?
16:46 <xcamel> reporters: smart like fencepost.
16:46 <PovAddict> oh that's just in case there are blind users listening to the news, they have to state the obvious
16:46 <PovAddict> ...
16:46 <PovAddict> or something
16:48 <Tank_Master> LOL
16:48 <Tank_Master> "I grabbed (my son) and the computer and ran out"
16:48 <Tank_Master> good to see he got the comp
16:48 <PovAddict> not necessarily in that order huh
16:48 <PovAddict> but hey I'd do the same
16:49 <PovAddict> if not he computer, at least the hard disk
16:49 <PovAddict> the*
16:51 <Tank_Master> yeah
16:51 <Tank_Master> need to save the p0rn
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16:53 <xcamel> or it contained a copy of his homeowners/title insurance...
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17:09 <xcamel> &wx 12074
17:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 58.7°F / 14.8°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Showers likely this evening...then showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then clearing. Highs in the lower (1 more message)
17:09 <xcamel> &more
17:09 <Romulus> xcamel: 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight.;
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17:17 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:19 * CoderForLife reads the link from wdsmia
17:19 <CoderForLife> aaaiiiiieeeee!!!!
17:20 <CoderForLife> what a horror story
17:20 <CoderForLife> the stuff of nightmares
17:20 <wdsmia> yep thought of you
17:21 <CoderForLife> yeah, me too
17:32 <CoderForLife> http://www.foxnews.com/images/448803/0_21_100808_debt2.jpg
17:34 <xcamel> 'lo Don
17:34 <CoderForLife> hello Jay
17:35 <xcamel> did you get a chance to hear hannity?
17:35 <CoderForLife> only part during the drive home from the off-site
17:35 <CoderForLife> going to try to watch the interview tonight
17:35 <CoderForLife> wattup?
17:36 <xcamel> Corsi called him - He has the goods on Obama/Odinga
17:36 <xcamel> hard copy, phone records etc.
17:36 <CoderForLife> I missed that
17:36 <CoderForLife> that's who he campaigned for in Kenya?
17:36 <xcamel> Seems Barry O helped plan a 'race war' with his cousin in Kenya.
17:37 <CoderForLife> omg
17:37 <xcamel> even while he was campaigning in NH
17:37 <xcamel> BO's chief-of-staff was the go-between
17:38 <CoderForLife> people are so hypnotized - I wonder if they'll wake up
17:38 <xcamel> summary: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2100787/posts?q=1&;page=101
17:39 * PovAddict can't wait for the electoin
17:39 <PovAddict> election*
17:39 <CoderForLife> Corsi better be careful, but of course he's not dealing with the Clintons
17:40 <xcamel> He's camped out in london atm.
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17:49 <CoderForLife> this is explosive
17:53 <CoderForLife> this is different - someone in Egypt trying my FTP server
17:53 <CoderForLife> plink 184.108.40.206
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18:10 * kathryn_ yawns
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18:13 <CoderForLife> morning
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18:14 * CoderForLife orders checks after moving some money to another bank
18:15 <KathrynM> a secret offshore account?
18:15 <xcamel> back again..
18:15 <CoderForLife> no, just another small account I kept to be able to get money from the ATM at w@#%
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18:16 <CoderForLife> but I want to be sure I have access to some money, in case my usual bank closes, notwithstanding FDIC
18:16 <CoderForLife> insurance is one thing, access to cash is another
18:16 <KathrynM> very true
18:17 <CoderForLife> during the S&L crisis, people were blocked from their accounts
18:17 <CoderForLife> I don't want all my assets in one basket
18:18 <CoderForLife> I have a debit card for the second bank; just ordering a small number of checks in case I need to access it in that way
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18:21 <xcamel> always a good idea..
18:21 <KathrynM> morning x
18:21 <CoderForLife> yeah, better safe than sorry
18:22 <CoderForLife> I remember the distress when Home City went under
18:22 <xcamel> 'lo K
18:23 <xcamel> and more than a few others..
18:24 <CoderForLife> yeah - an attorney I had a few years back was a Home City branch manager
18:26 <nickuwo> mmm... fox news
18:26 * nickuwo pukes a little in his mouth
18:28 <xcamel> you kiss your GF with that mouth?
18:29 <CoderForLife> that's pretty graphic/gross nickuwo
18:29 <nickuwo> only after I puke in it :)
18:35 * CoderForLife grimaces
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18:36 * xcamel winds up...
18:36 <xcamel> ShaWiiiiing!
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18:36 <xcamel> hehehe...
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18:36 <xcamel> :-)
18:36 <CoderForLife> wb nickuwo
18:37 <nickuwo> hey guys
18:37 <nickuwo> that is some serious debt
18:37 <CoderForLife> yeah
18:37 <CoderForLife> it's a large task to bankroll the world
18:38 <nickuwo> and an interesting story about obamas cousin... not entirely sure what the problem is...
18:38 <MTughan> The one in Africa?
18:38 <CoderForLife> Obama is a Marxist
18:39 <nickuwo> is that guy involved in a rebellion or somthing?
18:39 <xcamel> bigtime - after he lost...
18:39 <CoderForLife> right
18:39 <xcamel> 1600 people dead..
18:39 <MTughan> Don't ask, but that just reminded me I need to do my laundry...
18:39 <nickuwo> well, actually, Marxism makes a lot of sense...
18:39 <CoderForLife> umm
18:40 * xcamel winds up again....
18:40 <CoderForLife> I can see this one comng
18:40 <nickuwo> you've never read communist manifesto?
18:40 <CoderForLife> yes, I have
18:40 <MTughan> Communism has some good points. I studied Marx for philosophy last year.
18:40 <xcamel> I didn't have to after lennin let 10 million people starve to death in western russia
18:41 <MTughan> However, I don't think any of the "communist" nations really followed Marx's definition of communism.
18:41 <nickuwo> MT's got a point
18:41 <xcamel> communism has no good points, and fails no matter how many times it's tried.
18:41 <nickuwo> hmm...
18:41 <nickuwo> ok
18:42 <MTughan> They were supposed to form into a totally classless society after reform by the working class. All communist nations had reform, but the people who took over kept the power for themselves.
18:42 <CoderForLife> OK, this is not helping me advance my capitalist career - I need to focus on some prep for w@#% tomorrow
18:42 <MTughan> lol
18:43 <MTughan> Oh, got my lappy back too... :D
18:43 <xcamel> Our old buddy Che G. was responsible for 16,000 deaths in cuba and central america...
18:43 <CoderForLife> I'll drop off and get some user stories written and estimated for the meeting tomorrow afternoon
18:43 * CoderForLife salutes
18:43 <xcamel> have phun..
18:43 <CoderForLife> thx
18:43 <CoderForLife> gn
18:45 <nickuwo> I'm not sure the relative virtues/vices of governments should be quantified by the number of deaths the leader is responsible for (look at the U.S.)
18:45 * nickuwo gets ready
18:46 * nickuwo ducks...
18:46 <MTughan> ... the hell? How'd Adobe AIR get installed on my comp? I just installed Adobe Reader, Flash player and Shockwave player.
18:46 <nickuwo> it's a package deal baby
18:46 <MTughan> Well, f*ck Adobe then. I don't want the package deal.
18:47 <xcamel> you had a chance before the install to unclick the parts you didn't want..
18:47 <MTughan> AIR wasn't on any of those. I always look through.
18:48 <xcamel> uh-huh
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19:45 <xcamel> dum-de-dum
19:45 <Tank_Master> air gets installed with flash
19:46 <Tank_Master> and your right, you didnt get a chance not to install it
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19:52 <efc> moo
19:52 <Tank_Master> hey
19:57 <xcamel> bbl..
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20:47 <efc> &weather 31088
20:47 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Occasional showers and scattered thunderstorms in the evening...then a chance of showers with isolated thunderstorms after midnight. Some thunderstorms may be severe in the evening. Lows in the mid 60s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph (2 more messages)
20:47 <efc> &more
20:47 <Romulus> efc: shifting to the southwest after midnight. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the morning...then partly sunny with a slight chance of showers and thunderstorms in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 80s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 60s. Light and (1 more message)
20:47 <efc> tornado warning
20:47 <efc> &more
20:47 <Romulus> efc: variable winds.; Tornado Watch for Houston County in effect until 1:00 AM EDT on October 09, 2008;
20:47 <efc> oh
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21:20 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123
21:20 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 54.1°F / 12.3°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 35 to 45. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph in the evening becoming light.; Thursday - Rain likely in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs 50 to 55. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)
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21:20 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Lows 35 to 40. West wind 10 mph becoming light after midnight.; Special Weather Statement for Washington County in effect until 4:00 AM PDT on October 09, 2008;
21:20 <wdsmia> &wx 50319
21:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 56.0°F / 13.3°C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Low in the lower 40s. Southwest wind around 10 mph shifting to the northwest after midnight.; Thursday - Sunny. High in the upper 60s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly clear. Low in the (1 more message)
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21:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: upper 40s. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;
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