IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-10-16

00:02 <zombie67> ugh.  more windows updates that require reboot.

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00:16 <zombie67> tank_master?

00:16 <Romulus> I guess tank_master is now, zombie67

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01:14 <quail> schweet I got my gps today and it works great :-)

01:18 <Tank_Master> nice

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01:47 * zombie67 is discovering The Killers

01:48 <zombie67> Why has no one told me about them??  I must blame someone!

01:48 <Tank_Master> ?

01:49 <zombie67> Mr. Brightside is freakin' awesome

01:49 <zombie67>

01:49 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Killers - Mr. Brightside (at

01:50 <zombie67> video is C-, but the song is A+

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01:52 <Tank_Master> think I have heard the song beofre

01:52 <Tank_Master> on the alternitive station

01:53 <zombie67> that was from their first (of 3 or 4) album

01:53 <zombie67> so it's not new

01:53 <zombie67> and THAT is the problem

01:53 <Tank_Master> :P

01:53 <zombie67> I was kept out of the loop, damnit!

01:55 <zombie67> clearly not MY fault

01:55 <zombie67> ;)

01:55 <Tank_Master> lol

01:55 <zombie67> TM, we need to talk about my PD and X2 boxen

01:56 <Tank_Master> pk...

01:56 <Tank_Master> ok*

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01:56 <zombie67> i'm in a similar place where i was before

01:56 <zombie67> I can't justify running them

01:56 <Tank_Master> right

01:56 <zombie67> BUT

01:57 <zombie67> I can't just give them away

01:57 <zombie67> they have 2gb

01:57 <Tank_Master> you can probably sell them on creg's list

01:57 <zombie67> and are top end processors for their gen

01:57 <zombie67> so this is why we need to talk

01:58 <zombie67> I am thinking of a deal where I give them to you, you sell them, we share the profit

01:58 <Tank_Master> I could do that

01:58 <zombie67> okay

01:59 <Tank_Master> shiping is about $30-40 per comp though

01:59 <zombie67> can you limit your sales range to "local"?

01:59 <Tank_Master> on creg's list, yes

02:00 <zombie67> okay, frankly, do whatever you think will yeild the best

02:00 <zombie67> yield

02:00 <Tank_Master> ill give it some though

02:01 <zombie67> anyway, I will be away until the end of November, then we can figure a way to transfer the goods

02:01 <Tank_Master> where ya goin?

02:01 <zombie67> that was sarcasm?

02:01 <Tank_Master> n what about your game?

02:01 <zombie67> huh?

02:01 <Tank_Master> you just said youll be away till nov

02:02 <zombie67> my ROAD TRIP!!!

02:02 <Tank_Master> oh, right

02:02 <Tank_Master> duh :P

02:02 <zombie67> heh

02:03 <zombie67> anyway, after that, maybe early Dec, we can meet half way or something

02:03 <zombie67> I like driving

02:03 <Tank_Master> ok

02:04 <zombie67> sweet.  I hate the buying/selling part

02:04 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:06 <zombie67> what's this about dr dan buying a cray?

02:06 <Tank_Master> :)

02:06 <Tank_Master> bragging rights

02:07 <Tank_Master> its one of the new "affordable" cray servers thats a joint efferet between ms and cray

02:07 <Tank_Master> costs *only* 5k or so

02:07 <zombie67> but he said he was selling off his stuff...but no liks??

02:07 <Tank_Master> or something like that

02:07 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:07 <zombie67> $5k is not that much

02:08 <zombie67> figure a 4x 7xxx intel box

02:08 <Tank_Master> dont think he;s quite ready to sell yet, but I dunno

02:09 <zombie67> seriously though, the way to do it is to wait for the return of the HT intle chips

02:10 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:10 <Tank_Master> I am

02:10 <zombie67> any SERIOUS investment before that is a waste

02:11 <zombie67> oh, I am about to announce a harpertown product...

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02:20 <Tank_Master> a what?

02:21 <zombie67>

02:21 <Romulus> Title: Xeon - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

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02:26 <zombie67> Sun bought Cray, then sold off the ugly portion to SGI

02:27 <Tank_Master> ahh

02:27 <Tank_Master> :P

02:27 <zombie67> or the reverse

02:27 <Tank_Master> so cray is no more?

02:27 <Tank_Master> bummer

02:27 <zombie67>

02:27 <Romulus> <> (at

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02:28 <zombie67> Cray Research merged with Silicon Graphics (SGI) in February 1996. At the time the industry was highly critical of the move, noting that there was little overlap between the two companies in terms of market or technology. Founder Seymour Cray was killed in a traffic accident later that year.

02:28 <zombie67> SGI immediately sold off the Superservers business to Sun, who quickly turned the UltraSPARC-based Starfire project then under development into the extremely successful Enterprise 10000 range of servers.

02:29 <zombie67> ;)

02:29 <zombie67> brb

02:29 <Tank_Master> huh, I got almost 30k points yesterday, and I didnt more in the overall position

02:31 <DerMeister> 30k... It would take me almost a year to get this much credits -.-

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02:31 <Tank_Master> heh

02:31 <Tank_Master> was ramsey backlog

02:31 <zombie67> back

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02:32 <zombie67> back

02:32 <zombie67> yeah, I quit focusing on Ramsey after 1M

02:32 <zombie67> but I have since made 200k

02:33 <zombie67> nick has done everything right

02:33 <zombie67> including opening the source

02:33 <zombie67> the problem is DA

02:33 <Tank_Master> yeah, and astive on the boards and here to

02:33 <Tank_Master> DA?

02:33 <Romulus> Somebody said DA is a pain, Tank_Master

02:34 <zombie67> the whole credit equality is F'ing up the whole point of BOINC

02:34 <zombie67> David Anderson

02:34 <Tank_Master> ahh, yeah

02:34 <zombie67> and his holy crusade

02:34 <Tank_Master> "My way is the right way"

02:35 <zombie67> the TRVTH is that cross-project credit equality is impossible

02:35 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:35 <Tank_Master> with some being more effecent than other, some haveing different (and better preformaning) apps then others...

02:36 <zombie67> and the credit "communists" are actually ruining BOINC

02:36 <Tank_Master> and different comps performing differently

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02:36 <zombie67> 1) they are running off new projects like Ramsey

02:36 <zombie67> just too much hassle

02:37 <zombie67> 2)  they are DISCOURAGING optomizing

02:38 <zombie67> that just HURTS the science

02:39 <Tank_Master> yep

02:40 <Tank_Master> anywho, I g2g up early

02:40 <Tank_Master> so ill bbl

02:40 <zombie67> gn

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02:54 <zombie67> hi nick

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03:49 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 45140

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03:49 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 69.6F / 20.9C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Isolated showers early...then widespread showers late. Lows in the upper 50s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Scattered showers in the morning. Highs in the mid 60s. (1 more message)

03:49 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

03:49 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Much cooler with lows in the lower 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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04:08 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx Dayton, OH

04:08 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 60.9F / 16.1C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Cloudy with scattered showers early. Becoming partly sunny by midday. Highs in the lower 60s. North winds around 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly (1 more message)

04:08 <CoderOnTheRoad> &more

04:08 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: clear. Lows in the lower 40s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.;

04:09 <CoderOnTheRoad> &wx 45140

04:09 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Temperature: 68.1F / 20.1C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy until late afternoon...then becoming partly sunny. Scattered showers early. Highs in the lower 60s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. (1 more message)

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06:28 <hawmps> holy hackfest, Batman..

06:31 <hawmps> ip kills >>

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07:15 <CoderOnTheRoad> o-sporked

07:17 * CoderOnTheRoad spreads around the wealth

07:18 * efc3 puts out hand

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07:30 <CoderOnTheRoad> we'll all be poor together, comrade

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07:36 <efc3> From each, according to his means. To each, according to his needs.

07:36 <CoderOnTheRoad> no workie, no eatie

07:39 <CoderOnTheRoad> John 12:8  "For the poor always ye have with you" - especially if we make everyone so

07:40 <CoderOnTheRoad> speaking of making oneself poor:

07:40 <Romulus> <> (at

07:42 <KathrynM> evenin' CoderOnTheRoad

07:44 <CoderOnTheRoad> hello KathrynM

07:44 <CoderOnTheRoad> ouch!

07:45 <CoderOnTheRoad> okay, Mickey says hello too

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07:45 * CoderOnTheRoad glares at the Mouse

07:45 <KathrynM> got bit?

07:47 <KathrynM> darn it.  this is really annoying.  digikam used to start when I plugged my camera in.  No more.  I have to start it by hand and then tell it to import from my camera.  Just another annoyance in F9.

07:48 <desti> autostart is teh evil

07:49 * CoderOnTheRoad looks at his hotel bill

07:49 <CoderOnTheRoad> yeah, I'd say I got bit

07:50 <CoderOnTheRoad> no paramed charges, so I guess I'm OK

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08:00 <JoeThePlumber> heh

08:01 <JoeThePlumber> anybody need some money?

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08:05 <hawmps> Obomber seems really good at spreading the S**T around

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08:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> my kind of plumber

08:26 <quail>

08:26 <Romulus> <> (at

08:27 <CoderOnTheRoad> bb after a shower

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09:49 <CoderOnTheRoad> Joe Biden:  This election is all about three little letters: JOBS

10:00 <PovAddict> oh great, they can't even count...

10:01 <hawmps>

10:01 <PovAddict> organizational hierarchies are like septic tanks... the really big chunks always get to the top

10:12 <CoderOnTheRoad> leaving the room in 50 minutes

10:12 <CoderOnTheRoad> checkout is 11:00

10:12 <Tank_Master> hf

10:14 <CoderOnTheRoad> then the long slo mo movement towards home begins

10:15 <CoderOnTheRoad> I'm glad I was able to fix the DSL in the room =)

10:16 <Tank_Master> lol

10:16 <Tank_Master> you break it?

10:16 <ELGono> lol don

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10:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> hey ELGono

10:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> no -it was pre-broken for me

10:21 <ELGono> lol

10:21 <CoderOnTheRoad> one of new Disney attractions for geeks

10:21 <ELGono> the vpn client at uni disconnects me every 10mins

10:21 <ELGono> this is driving me nutz

10:22 <CoderOnTheRoad> your room comes with 3 tech puzzles for you to figure out

10:22 <ELGono> you in a hotel room always reminds me of that lecture on irda-hacking

10:23 <CoderOnTheRoad> someone had completely unwired the DSL router

10:23 <CoderOnTheRoad> I had to plug everything in and make it work

10:23 <CoderOnTheRoad> not hard, just annoying

10:23 <ELGono> ;)

10:24 <CoderOnTheRoad> and not something I was willing to wait for someone else to do when I could do it

10:24 <ELGono> very polite

10:25 <ELGono> well dudes, brb laterz

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10:33 <CoderOnTheRoad> I guess I shutterdown and start making our way towards the lobby

10:34 <CoderOnTheRoad> cya from the home front

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10:35 <Tank_Master> gl?

10:41 <PovAddict> what the hell? I'm trying out WSUS on a virtual machine... seems to take ages to do anything, with SQL Server eating lots and lots of CPU

10:41 <PovAddict> given the amount of data I *think* it's handling,, SQLite would be faster than that... :)

10:47 <Tank_Master> try sgl server 2008 express?

10:51 <PovAddict> I don't even know what version is installed, it was bundled with WSUS (installed unless you already have a SQL server)

10:57 <PovAddict> now SQL server is about to fill up the virtual machine memory, so it will start swapping like hell (and process is at 55%, the missing 45% will take forever and a day if it starts swapping)

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11:16 <KathrynM> PovAddict, ping

11:17 <PovAddict> pong

11:17 <KathrynM> let me pastebin something for you and tell me if I'm crazy.

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11:18 <hawmps>

11:18 <Romulus> <> (at

11:18 <PovAddict> well, we all know you are; but go ahead with the paste

11:18 <KathrynM> very funny

11:18 <KathrynM>

11:18 <PovAddict> *hides under his desk*

11:18 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

11:18 <KathrynM> you better hide

11:18 <KathrynM> yestefday I made kids copy the dictionary

11:21 <PovAddict> I really doubt boinc could mess up PAM

11:21 <KathrynM> I do too...

11:21 <KathrynM> I asked how he made the jump to blaming BOINC (in nicer terms, of course)

11:22 <KathrynM> Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious

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12:51 <_Danilo_> hi

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13:08 <hawmps> 'lo Dan

13:14 <desti> seti br0ken again

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15:51 <xcamel> 'lo

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16:30 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:30 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 56.2F / 13.4C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Areas of (1 more message)

16:34 <xcamel> *more

16:34 <xcamel> &more

16:34 <Romulus> xcamel: frost after midnight. Lows in the mid 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph.;

16:35 <xcamel> gonna get mighty chilly

16:39 <wdsmia_w> &wx 92807

16:39 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 87.9F / 31.1C | Humidity: 23% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 55 to 65. Light winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny. Highs 74 to 79 near the coast to 84 to 89 inland. Light winds.; Friday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 56 to 63. Light winds.;

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16:45 <xcamel> oh that kalifornicatia feeling...

16:48 <wdsmia_w> I will be there Sunday

16:50 <wdsmia_w> just about time to call it a week

16:50 <wdsmia_w> bbl

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17:03 <xcamel> The price for crude oil produced by the Organisation of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) has fallen below $70, the group said Thursday.One barrel (159 litres) of OPEC crude stood at $68.58 Wednesday, $4.91 lower than $73.49 on the previous day.

17:03 <xcamel> HA!

17:04 <FreeLarry> humm i found out ime works with the normal ms wordpad ;) now i only have to match symbols up

17:05 <FreeLarry> well about time oil came down to a more reasonable level - but unfortunately the damage is already done

17:05 <FreeLarry> at least 2 yrs for prices to stabalize thruout economy

17:05 <FreeLarry> tca time for commute

17:05 <PovAddict> the IME is OS-wide

17:05 <PovAddict> should work anywhere

17:06 <FreeLarry> well PovAddict - some of us are more like granite boulders when it comes to accepting new ideas ;)

17:06 <PovAddict> I personally never used an IME, since I don't know any language that uses one :)

17:06 <PovAddict> well...

17:06 <FreeLarry> couldn't get it to work on this machine but the other i have set to boot on japanese

17:07 <FreeLarry> it works on that one

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17:08 * FreeLarry to bad i cant remember anything about the symbols as i look at them

17:08 <xcamel> Larry... are they on serious drugs up your way?

17:08 <FreeLarry> very lots of purple lights

17:09 <xcamel> KIRO-TV >> 24,000 Felons Getting Ballots, Despite Eligibility Questions (WA State)

17:09 <FreeLarry> need to type graphic text into a text editor for translator to work

17:10 <FreeLarry> ahh yes the dems are at it again - but a little background - those felons are mostly misterminer crimes but the felons still haven't worked off all conditions to get voting rights back

17:10 <FreeLarry> ie fines restitution and biggy court costs

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17:11 <FreeLarry> &bye all

17:11 <Romulus> later ace

17:11 <xcamel> a misdemeanor is a misdemeanor, and will not cost you your right to vote. A felony however does, and should.

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17:22 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:24 <PovAddict> <Archie> thanks to opera for the wii, i can now watch youtube on my tv

17:24 <PovAddict> <Archie> we have gone full circle

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17:35 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:35 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:36 <wdsmia> did you see this one

17:36 <Romulus> <> (at

17:37 <xcamel> yeah.. morons.

17:37 <wdsmia> yep

17:37 <xcamel> Glenn Beck joins Fox News (It's Official)

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17:43 <wdsmia> looks like its offical ACORN is nuts

17:43 <wdsmia>

17:43 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:15 <xcamel> back again..

18:19 <xcamel> was that the 'transgender cut' ???

18:26 <xcamel> >>

18:26 <Romulus> <> (at

18:28 <xcamel> Acorn,  is negotiating to sever all ties with its founder, whose brother embezzled almost $1 million from the group.

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19:19 <xcamel> boodah...boodah

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19:32 <xcamel> 'lo big

19:33 <bigt0242000> hey xcamel

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20:37 <xcamel>

20:37 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Obama Mocks Joe the Plumber, Crowd Laughs (at

20:37 <PovAddict> who is this joe the plumber I keep hearing about?

20:38 <xcamel> the guy who exposed obomber as a pure socialist.

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20:55 <PovAddict> video memory corrupted again, restarting compiz again

21:01 <xcamel> stop showing it porn...

21:02 <efc> Have we been informed by the media who won?

21:04 <PovAddict> when I go to Expo mode (showing all four desktops at once), the desktop backgrounds show corrupted

21:04 <PovAddict> like random stuff from memory

21:05 <efc> Its been a while since I saw that.

21:06 <PovAddict> the problem is with the the half-size background images shown there (I *think* the backgrounds are in mipmap textures, and the low LOD versions get corrupted for some strange reason)

21:06 <PovAddict> seems to start happening after a user switch

21:22 <efc> I never watch hell's kitchen but he's really tearing this plae apart for sanitation..

21:22 <xcamel>

21:22 <Romulus> <> (at

21:22 <MTughan> efc: Hell's Kitchen or Kitchen Nightmares?

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21:23 <efc> Its pretty horrible.. wonder how the ones I eat at are

21:27 <efc> they have pretty good health inspectors in this county though.

21:47 * xcamel yawns

21:52 <PovAddict> wtf

21:52 <PovAddict> people already making stupid pictures about the plumber?

21:52 <PovAddict> some people have too much time to waste

21:52 <PovAddict> (and a probably-illegal copy of Photoshop)

21:53 * efc agrees and runs around making chicken noises

21:53 <xcamel> those in AR could not possibly understand...

21:54 <xcamel> off with me anyway...

21:54 <efc> night xcamel

21:55 <PovAddict> instead of saying why people should vote some candidate, it seems to be all about making fun of the other candidate

21:56 <xcamel> that's how it works here - talk all they want - if their lips are moving - they're lying.

21:56 <MTughan> Hey, I did see an Obama ad today that didn't mention or poke at McBain at all today.

21:57 <MTughan> McCain*

21:57 <MTughan> Messed it up with another person I know...

21:57 <efc> The name is so unfortunate.. the most awkward since Stalin von Hitler ran a few years back

21:58 <MTughan> Palin, Obama, or McCain?

21:58 <PovAddict> MTughan: I was actually referring not to the official campaigns, but to, say, images people share on IRC

21:59 <efc> Pov: You probably don't get the political email like we do..

22:00 <efc> Every rumor and lie gets sent out as fact, to be believed by people who already didn't like candidate X

22:01 <PovAddict> so it doesn't help move votes in either direction

22:01 <efc> I doubt it. Might move some fence-sitters.

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22:12 <PovAddict> oh, I forgot to check if my cron script was working correctly

22:12 <PovAddict> looks like it is; I have 5 dumps of E@H stats

22:14 <PovAddict> and I'm already wasting 68MB on them \o/

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22:27 <PovAddict> I'm thinking I should parse the XMLs into a binary format (like a database)... they'll use too much space even compressed if I keep archiving

22:32 <efc> there are some special XML archiving utilities

22:32 <efc> huffman coding works well on it

22:33 <PovAddict> I wouldn't bother with those... I'd do my own code specifically for this XML format

22:33 <PovAddict> <create_time>1097843757</create_time> can be stored in four bytes (the integer in binary)

22:34 <PovAddict> <country>United States</country> can be stored in one or two bytes (offset in a lookup table of countries)

22:35 <PovAddict> not to mention I'd save *lots* if I do delta encoding of the whole file with the one from 12 hours before

22:37 <jasong2> I bet most people woudn't need more than a Gig of space if EVERYTHING could use lookup  tables.  If you only needed one central copy of each windows OS, that right there would probably save petabytes of space. ;)

22:38 <PovAddict> Unix is designed to do that :)

22:38 <PovAddict> network-mount /usr :)

22:38 <jasong2> yeah, if I can manage to save up the money, I'm thinking about building an Atom-based crunching farm

22:39 <jasong2> So, I need to be studying all that stuff sometime soon

22:39 <PovAddict> and turns out that was the original purpose of /usr/local

22:39 <PovAddict> being "local" to that machine

22:39 <PovAddict> while /usr isn't

22:41 <PovAddict> apparently 81% of Einstein users are inactive

22:42 <PovAddict> so if I just store the users that got credit since the last stats dump, I'd save loads of space

22:42 <PovAddict> like incremental backups :)

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22:44 <jasong2> true

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22:44 <PovAddict> the five dumps I have, once uncompressed, are 329MB (!)

22:44 <PovAddict> (the original download is gzipped)

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