IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-10-24

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00:05 <jasong2> lol, let's blame everyone who's a pirate of any sort.  I like to download tv shows using Bit Torrent, so I'm partially to blame I guess. :p

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00:42 <Soul_keeper> i blame liberals for everything, it's easier that way :)

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02:18 <efc> I have gigabit to the switch, 100 mbps to the gateway, 10 mpbs to the printer, and 40 kbps to the world!

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02:27 <Tank_Master> :P

02:27 <Tank_Master> sad when a floppy is faster than your net connection

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02:35 <efc> Sniff

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02:36 <Tank_Master> wtf is that smell?

02:36 <Tank_Master> efc!?!

02:36 * Tank_Master pushes efc into a crevasse

02:36 <Tank_Master> stink up elsewhere!

02:36 <Tank_Master> :P

02:39 <efc> He who smelt it dealt it

02:40 <Tank_Master> you sniffed first

02:41 <efc> You pre-sniffed it

02:41 <Tank_Master> o.0?

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04:24 <Traveler7> hi

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04:24 <Traveler7> in order for boinc to run, do i need to alwasy open up boinc manager and minimize it or boinc already running automatically as service in ubuntu?  i check ps -aux , i can see boinc_client runing. do i need to keep boinc manager open?

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04:32 <Welshman> I was a little drunk in here yesterday, sorry :)

04:34 <Welshman> installing some graphic drivers, gotta close down a few programs

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05:56 <CoderForLife> yes, Welshman - I agree - a little drunk =)

05:59 <CoderForLife> out the door to w@#% - TGIF

06:13 <Welshman> :)

06:13 <Welshman> yeah sorry

06:13 <Welshman> I dont drink that often

06:26 <hawmps_> re-hi

06:29 <hawmps_> ip kill >>

06:33 <Welshman> ?

06:33 <Welshman> not me

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08:22 <hawmps_> another kill >>

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09:38 <nickuwo> Man, the stock market is going to shit a brick today

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10:53 <hawmps_> it did, then bounced..

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10:54 <PovAdct_w> our stupid govt did a stupid announcement, and now our stock market is asploding as well

10:54 <PovAdct_w> and Spain's

11:01 <hawmps> been reading about it...

11:02 <hawmps> Stock Building Supply to Close 86 Branches

11:02 <hawmps>

11:02 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:18 <PovAdct_w> hmm

11:18 <PovAdct_w> critical Windows update, out of normal update cycle (not 2nd tuesday of month)

11:21 <MTughan> Must really be critical then.

11:22 <MTughan> Oh, does anyone have any idea about XP SP3 compatibility?

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11:45 <PovAdct_w> I'm on it

11:48 <hawmps> Arrested: Virtual wife who murdered avatar husband

11:48 <hawmps>

11:48 <Romulus> Title: iTWire - Arrested: Virtual wife who murdered avatar husband (at

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13:20 <hawmps> &ping

13:20 <Romulus> pong

13:21 <hawmps> wow - 45 seconds

13:22 <Soul_keeper> Democrats/Biden_brain.jpg

13:22 <Romulus> <> (at

13:22 <Soul_keeper> biden has hair plugs

13:23 <hawmps> image moved/deleted

13:25 <Soul_keeper>

13:25 <Romulus> <> (at

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13:36 <efc> Darn, still can't get DVI output on this card to work

13:37 <Tank_Master_> haha

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14:16 <PovAddict> omg

14:16 <PovAddict> I survived long enough to reach home

14:16 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

14:16 <Romulus> PovAddict: Error: timed out

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14:18 <hawmps> seriously bad lag...

14:19 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

14:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 50.0°F / 10.0°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs around 60. Light wind becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 35 to 40. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; (1 more message)

14:19 <hawmps>

14:19 <Romulus> <> (at

14:19 <Tank_Master> &more

14:19 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Saturday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then mostly sunny. Highs 60 to 65. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

14:20 <PovAddict> &weather buenos aires

14:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:82 ° F. / 28 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Clear. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Clear. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.;

14:20 <PovAddict> 25 only?

14:21 <PovAddict> I think I'll go take a bath and throw ice into the water

14:22 <Tank_Master> sounds... fun

14:36 <hawmps> 'Joe the Plumber' Mulling Run for Congress

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14:46 <Tank_Master> lol

14:47 * efc gives up on getting this HDTV hooked up to his computer

14:47 <Tank_Master> I bet "loe the pumber" is sorry for asking an honest question thats on everyone's mind in his situation

14:47 <Tank_Master> Joe*

14:47 <hawmps> ya think?

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15:07 <Tank_Master> only when I must

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16:30 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:39 <yoyo[RKN]> moo

16:40 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

16:46 <Welshman> yoyo boyo

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16:52 <CoderForLife> hello

16:53 <xcamel> 'lo again

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16:55 <CoderForLife> hey - you've reached your 3 kill limit today Jay =)

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17:02 <CoderForLife> heh - MS Money doesn't know what to make of these checks written to the wall contractor - it's created a automatic trend line that tanks my net worth in no time (no offense Tank_Master)

17:03 <CoderForLife> has projected $7,555.00 monthly payments =)

17:06 <CoderForLife> >plink<

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17:08 <CoderForLife> there...  better now

17:10 <xcamel> heh

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17:10 <CoderForLife> if the Dems win, I'll go broke, but not quite that fast

17:11 <xcamel> uh-oh..

17:11 <xcamel>

17:11 <Romulus> <> (at

17:11 <CoderForLife> Thou shalt not diss the Lord Thy God

17:12 <Welshman> dont mock man

17:12 <Welshman> no christian is perfect

17:12 <CoderForLife> "just forgiven"

17:12 <Welshman> not till hes dead anyway lol

17:13 <Welshman> then clipped round the ear afterwards

17:13 <Welshman> but yes, forgiven

17:13 <Welshman> irs called born again

17:13 <Welshman> it's

17:13 <xcamel> being born was tough enough the first time...

17:14 <Welshman> life is hard that is for sure

17:14 <CoderForLife> I feel squeezed every day

17:14 <Welshman> banks do that :)

17:14 <Welshman> lol

17:15 <xcamel> Life is hard, once you get over that, life aint so hard.

17:15 <Welshman> once youve been kicked to the floor as often as I have there is only one thing to do

17:15 <Welshman> get up

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17:16 <CoderForLife> aka "Life sucks, then you die"

17:16 <CoderForLife> speaking of...

17:16 <Welshman> lifes a bitch, then you marry here

17:16 <Welshman> her

17:16 <Welshman> thats not nice I know

17:16 <Welshman> sorry

17:16 <wdsmia> *lo Don and all

17:17 <xcamel> 'lo Doug (from all)

17:17 <CoderForLife> heya Doug

17:17 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:18 <xcamel> Lunchtime experiment...

17:18 <xcamel> Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed.

17:19 <xcamel> Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference–just imagine the coincidence.

17:19 <Soul_keeper> it's impossible to learn how to do things right in perl

17:19 <xcamel> When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need–the homeless guy outside.

17:19 <Welshman> but did you give him anything?

17:19 <xcamel> The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more.

17:19 <xcamel> The homeless guy was grateful.

17:19 <CoderForLife> heh

17:19 <Welshman> Obama will be the next president of the usa I think if he is not shot first

17:19 <xcamel> At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient deserved money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application

17:20 <CoderForLife> don't mention things like that Welshman

17:20 <Welshman> I know

17:20 <Welshman> its been on my mind today

17:20 <Soul_keeper> i offered a homeless guy a cookie the other week when he asked me for money "for food",  apparently the money was all he really wanted ...

17:20 <CoderForLife> you'll have the Secret Service kicking in your door

17:20 <xcamel> wrong on soooo many levels...

17:20 <Welshman> I hope he gets there

17:21 <Welshman> be good for the usa maybe

17:21 <Welshman> time will tell

17:21 <CoderForLife> and don't mention things like that Welshman either

17:21 <Welshman> lol

17:21 <CoderForLife> I stand to lose big time in taxes

17:21 <xcamel> Barak Barry Hussein Soetoro Obamallamadingdong?

17:21 <Welshman> is he in the running as well?

17:22 <Welshman> uk has its own problems

17:22 <xcamel> even he doesn't know...

17:22 <Welshman> politicians are so currupts

17:22 <xcamel> uk has gone bloody daft, as they say.

17:23 <Welshman> politicians are so currupts percent of the people dont realise :)

17:23 <xcamel> yummy - dinner smells good...

17:23 <Welshman> 99

17:23 * CoderForLife fiddles while western civilization burns

17:23 <Welshman> geez this gaming keyboard is a pain at times

17:23 <Soul_keeper> if obama/biden lose   then biden will do balsely hair transplant commercials ...

17:23 <Welshman> cooking a pizza son

17:23 <CoderForLife> and botox

17:23 <Welshman> soon

17:23 <xcamel> "ballsey"?

17:24 <CoderForLife> lol

17:24 <xcamel> He'll be the new 'shamwow' guy...

17:24 <Welshman> the states just has to stop waring

17:24 <xcamel> warring?

17:24 <Welshman> +r

17:25 <xcamel> like kicking muzzie butt?

17:25 <Welshman> enough

17:25 <Welshman> its the poor people who suffer

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17:25 <Welshman> what for

17:25 <Welshman> oil

17:25 <CoderForLife> "the poor will be with you always"

17:25 <Welshman> oil to keep the machine of war going

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17:26 <Welshman> economy based on war is evil

17:26 <Soul_keeper> greenspan told the world that capitalism has failed ....

17:26 <Soul_keeper> too bad we never really tryed capitalism

17:26 <Welshman> its not all about money

17:26 <CoderForLife> "War is good for business.  Peace is good for business" - from the Ferengii Rules of Acquisition

17:26 <Soul_keeper> lol

17:27 <Welshman> why cant we just live our lives

17:27 <Welshman> whoever we are?

17:27 <CoderForLife> "why can't we all just get along"

17:27 <Welshman> politics is crap man

17:27 <Welshman> trade

17:27 <Welshman> normally

17:27 <Welshman> respect people

17:27 <Welshman> the world is mad man

17:28 <Welshman> thing is, stand up for stuff like that and your killed

17:28 * CoderForLife starts playing his "Mad World" MP3

17:28 <Welshman> lol

17:29 <Welshman> I dont drink very often

17:29 <Welshman> but when I do its single malt scottish whiskey

17:29 <Welshman> it does the job

17:29 <Welshman> not cheap though

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17:38 <xcamel> ah children...

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17:38 <xcamel> 1.2 million years of human history - exactly when did we "all get along" ???

17:39 <xcamel>

17:39 <Romulus> <> (at

17:39 <Welshman> I go for an old world btw

17:39 <Welshman> otherwise how do you explain oil and coal

17:39 <xcamel> you don't explain it... you use it...

17:39 <Welshman> they were plants so I am told

17:40 <PovAddict> Welshman: you can't discuss politics while drunk

17:40 <Welshman> really

17:40 <Welshman> makes more sense

17:40 <xcamel> stored solar energy, in fact.

17:40 <CoderForLife> you tried that last night

17:40 <Welshman> more mellow tonight

17:40 <deprecated> glow worms

17:41 <PovAddict> * Tank_Master pushes PovAddict into a crevasse

17:41 <PovAddict> <bigt0242000> can't we all just get along :-d

17:41 <PovAddict> <xcamel> no.

17:41 <PovAddict> <PovAddict> that's not how IRC works, bigt

17:41 <Welshman> better whiskey

17:41 <Welshman> glen grant single malt

17:41 <CoderForLife> yeah, you haven't said anything about U.S. domination yet, so we're OK

17:41 * xcamel reminds channel he will be 23 years sober in 7 days

17:41 <Welshman> I dont drink much

17:42 <CoderForLife> congrats xcamel

17:42 <Welshman> just when I am having a hard time

17:42 <Welshman> normal I think

17:42 <Welshman> going through a custody thing for my daughter

17:42 <Welshman> winds you up a bit

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17:43 <CoderForLife> no doubt

17:43 <CoderForLife> and then Glenn shows up

17:43 <Rookie_69> Where?

17:44 <Welshman> he helps but just for the night

17:44 <CoderForLife> the first thing we do here is assign blame - don't try and deflect it

17:44 <Rookie_69> I didn't do it!

17:45 <CoderForLife> well, you're not getting any of my tax dollars, you lazy bum

17:45 <xcamel> "A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. "

17:46 <xcamel> the 'nad-ians might just be getting their taxes lowered a bit...

17:46 <CoderForLife> "When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic" - Ben Franklin

17:46 <Welshman> thats the problem

17:46 <xcamel> Ben and Tom were "buds"

17:46 <Welshman> governments do not do what they should do

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17:47 <Welshman> they are corrupt

17:53 <xcamel> so... you working on a new thought somewhere?

17:54 <Welshman> who me?

17:55 <Welshman> always learning me

17:55 <Welshman> the day you stop learning is the day you start to forget

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17:55 <Welshman> thats a fact

17:56 <CoderForLife> what were we talking about?

17:56 <Welshman> :)

17:56 <Welshman> politics I think

17:56 <PovAddict> does anyone still know?

17:57 <Welshman> and peoples leanings

17:57 <CoderForLife> I guess I stopped learning there for a second

17:57 <PovAddict> and you being drunk

17:57 <Welshman> not tonight

17:57 * CoderForLife leans back in his chair

17:57 <Rookie_69> Lemmings?

17:57 <Welshman> good game that

17:57 <Welshman> 10 years ago

17:58 <Welshman> just bought a new game today

17:58 <CoderForLife> lemmings and politics in the same thread - sounds redundant

17:58 <Welshman> Dark Messiah on Steam

17:58 <Welshman> its not bad

17:59 <CoderForLife> Who's that game about?

17:59 <CoderForLife> sounds political

17:59 <Welshman> get a url now

17:59 <Welshman>

17:59 <xcamel> "Change is not a destination just as hope is not a strategy."

17:59 <Romulus> Title: Dark Messiah | Site officiel | Ubisoft (at

18:00 <Welshman> thats frech though

18:00 <Welshman> just change the language

18:00 <CoderForLife> "I feel we've got a righteous wind on our backs here" - I was wondering what was in the wind

18:00 <Welshman> french

18:00 <CoderForLife> parlez-vous?

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18:01 <Welshman> oui

18:01 <xcamel> flatulence

18:01 <Welshman> bien

18:01 <Welshman> lol

18:01 <Welshman> I live in France, it helps to speak it

18:02 <CoderForLife> je ne sais pas

18:02 <Welshman> I speak geman, italien, dutch, spanish as well

18:02 <xcamel> A Welshman in france... kinda like... oh wait....

18:02 <Welshman> german

18:02 <CoderForLife> I speak C - English is second language

18:02 <MTughan> lol

18:02 <Welshman> I am Welsh so that is my first

18:03 <xcamel> I speak Longshoreman

18:03 <Welshman> then english

18:03 <MTughan> Obj-C/Perl here.

18:03 <Welshman> lol

18:03 <Welshman> just html and javascript syuff here

18:03 <xcamel> with a minor in Lumberjack

18:03 <Welshman> +r

18:03 <CoderForLife> je parle un tres peu francais aussi - but very rusty

18:03 <CoderForLife> and not accent on my keyboard

18:03 <Welshman> French is difficult

18:04 <CoderForLife> c'est vrai

18:04 <xcamel> ditto on the deutsch

18:04 <Welshman> ç^

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18:04 <MTughan> CFL: Get Mac, easy to type accents. I can do the proper spelling of Montreal.

18:04 <MTughan> Montréal

18:04 <MTughan> I hit the wrong key first time there...

18:06 <MTughan> And I killed the discussion... I want to find something anyway.

18:06 <Welshman> I have been a barman in Lourdes so you learn a lot of basic stuff

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18:07 <PovAddict>

18:07 <Romulus> <> (at

18:08 <Welshman> is sasser still around

18:08 <PovAddict> probably

18:08 <Welshman> I got infected once

18:08 <PovAddict> sasser won't get through using *this* bug though; this is a different vulnerability

18:08 <CoderForLife> bbiab

18:08 <Welshman> and I think because someone I know put it on my pc

18:09 <MTughan> That sucks.

18:10 <Welshman> yeah, wanker

18:11 <Welshman> just a joke but no joke to me

18:11 <MTughan> Well... Even though the hardware on the new MBPs will support 8GB of RAM, OS X seems to limit to 4GB... Probably of no use to most people in here, but a little tidbit.

18:12 <Welshman> titbit

18:12 <Welshman> is the correct english

18:12 <MTughan> Agreed.

18:12 <MTughan> WTF... The fingerprint reader on my new laptop had died. Now it just starts working again?

18:12 <Welshman> :)

18:12 <MTughan> Heh...

18:13 <Welshman> I want a acer gemstone

18:13 <MTughan> Just so you know, English is my first language. I'm in Canada.

18:13 <Welshman> mais ti parles fançais

18:13 <Welshman> tu

18:13 <Welshman> vous

18:13 <MTughan> I dropped French in grade 9.

18:14 <Welshman> I am still doing french classes actually

18:14 <Welshman> free here

18:14 <Welshman> when I was in school I got kicked out of my french class

18:15 <Welshman> now I live here :)

18:15 <MTughan> lol

18:15 <Welshman> kept forgetting my books and was always late

18:16 <MTughan> Wow... fingerprint reader just died again.

18:16 <PovAddict> that's fast :)

18:16 <MTughan> So it seems.

18:17 <MTughan> Just four swipes of the finger was all it took it seems.

18:18 <MTughan> The odd thing is that the vendor ID and product ID are both 0000, so it's a hardware thing somewhere I'd say.

18:18 <PovAddict>

18:18 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #167361 (at

18:18 <MTughan> lol

18:20 <MTughan> A reboot and it's working again...

18:28 <Welshman>

18:28 <Romulus> <> (at

18:28 <Welshman> thats a laptop

18:29 <Welshman> acer bundle some crap software though

18:30 <MTughan> Yes it is a laptop... Looks like my roommate's laptop too.

18:31 <Welshman> not expensive either

18:31 <MTughan> He has an Acer Aspire 6920G.

18:32 <Welshman> I had a hp zv 53100

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18:32 <Welshman> battery life was rubbish

18:32 <MTughan> Lenovo T400 and 1st Gen MacBook here.

18:32 <MTughan> The Lenovo can easily get 6+ hours of battery life.

18:33 <Welshman> 3+ is enough

18:33 <Welshman> man its a laptop

18:33 <Welshman> your away from base

18:33 <Welshman> or at least a socket :)

18:34 <Welshman> dell have a 19 hr apparently

18:35 <MTughan> Wow.

18:35 <MTughan> Two questions I ask: how slow is it, and how big is the battery physically?

18:35 <Welshman> gogle it

18:35 <Welshman> gogle

18:35 <Welshman> keyborad

18:35 <MTughan> &google 19 hours laptop

18:35 <Romulus> MTughan: Search took 0.12 seconds: Dell targets 19 - hour laptop at 'digital nomads' | Computerworld Blogs: <>; Dell claims laptop runs on batteries for 19 hours - <>; A Laptop Blog: New Dell Laptop Offers (3 more messages)

18:36 <Welshman> major keyboard probs tonight

18:37 <MTughan> Heh.

18:37 <MTughan> rofl... Dell's homepage has a typo.

18:37 <Welshman> I think I need to install the keyboard software just to use the normal functions

18:37 <MTughan> "Huge Savings on Dell's Most Popular Consumer Laptops. Save up tp $400. Shop Now!"

18:38 <Welshman> you can get some good deals if you look around

18:38 <Welshman> hp have good service

18:38 <Welshman> brilliant

18:39 <Welshman> not tried dell

18:39 <Welshman> got an acer now

18:39 <Welshman> good spec and low price

18:39 <Welshman> next laptop will be a gemstone I think

18:40 <Welshman> sod Mac

18:40 <MTughan> 19hr machine has max 2.4GHz processor at the 25W TDP, 14" screen, probably tested with the LED backlighting, GMA4500 graphics, and a standard SSD.

18:40 <Welshman> its just linux with a bit of xtras

18:40 <MTughan> "sod Mac"? What does that mean?

18:41 <CoderForLife> it's *orange& outside - setting sun on autumn leaves - everything is glowing

18:41 <CoderForLife> er *orange*

18:41 <Welshman> if you have a mac your basically restricted

18:41 <CoderForLife> clouds are orange too

18:41 <MTughan> Welshman: I'm running OS X as my main OS, so explain.

18:41 <Welshman> ok

18:42 <MTughan> The Lenovo has XP and Linux (Fedora 8) on it.

18:42 <Welshman> geez

18:43 <MTughan> And from what I've been seeing, Linux is more stable, but the wireless doesn't work... :(

18:44 <Welshman> sorry just checking on a pizza

18:44 <Welshman> mac

18:44 <Welshman> unix

18:44 <MTughan> lol

18:44 <Welshman> with a cool de

18:44 <MTughan> Yes, OS X is based on FreeBSD and Nextstep.

18:44 <Welshman> so waht

18:45 <Welshman> cost the earth

18:45 <Welshman> no games

18:45 <Welshman> good ones I mean

18:45 <MTughan> That's changing, but agreed.

18:45 <Welshman> at least savage is trying :)

18:45 <MTughan> You can get Call of Duty 4 for Mac now.

18:45 <Welshman> ok

18:45 <Welshman> thats good

18:46 <MTughan> And not hacked, an official version. Same with Spore.

18:46 <Welshman> not bought it for windows yet

18:46 <Welshman> tell you what

18:46 <Welshman> if osx was for intel or amd systems I would buy it

18:47 <MTughan> Agreed.

18:47 <Welshman> makes you wonder

18:48 <Welshman> I dual boot

18:48 <MTughan> In fact, my next machine will be self built, and I might look at making a Hackintosh, along with XP or Vista, and Linux.

18:48 <Welshman> ubuntu and vista

18:48 <MTughan> I've had tons of problems with the Mac hardware, but nothing with the OS itself.

18:50 <xcamel> lol - ditto.

18:50 <MTughan> What have you had Jay?

18:51 <MTughan> I've had three motherboards fail, an optical drive replacement, and RAM replacement.

18:51 <xcamel> now that's a weather headlike..

18:51 <xcamel> er headline even..


18:52 <MTughan> A singing storm? lol

18:52 <xcamel> mostly minor problems with the modbook, and powermacs

18:53 <xcamel> could be woyse... as they say.

18:53 <MTughan> So nothing as bad as a MB crash then?

18:54 <xcamel> memory burnout at least twice

18:54 <MTughan> I've also had two hard drives fail, although I can't place that on Apple because I wrecked them by hitting the laptop hard enough to kill the drives... Replaced both myself.

18:55 * CoderForLife watches

18:55 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Obama Citizenship: I Invented The Internet (Ep. 6: October Surprise) (at

18:55 <MTughan> Never had that happen... RAM replacement was because the Apple technicians thought that's why the MBs kept failing.

18:55 <xcamel> my wife's macbook hd exploded internally... I guess they all did.

18:55 <MTughan> I'm still trying to figure that one out.

18:56 <xcamel> the modbook runs hot anyway

18:57 <MTughan> Not that I don't think Apple supports the Modbooks.

18:57 <MTughan> Note*

18:58 <xcamel> no, they dont.

18:58 <xcamel> OWC/Axiotron does

18:58 <xcamel> McCain Up 50% to 48% in North Carolina

18:59 <xcamel> but I hate polls

18:59 <MTughan> Yeah. Which means that it's not Apple's fault if it runs hot. If OS X fails, that's probably Apple's fault.

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19:00 <MTughan> Split!

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19:00 <MTughan> ;)

19:01 <MTughan> Anyway... From my dad: "I can't run videos on my machine without a blue screen now. Looks like i'll have to re-install windows and that really excites me"

19:01 <xcamel> winduhs

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19:25 <xcamel> got mighty quiet again..

19:25 <wdsmia> yup

19:26 <CoderForLife> watching YouTube vids on birth certificates

19:26 <Rookie_69> Yes it did.

19:27 <xcamel> reading various depressing news blurbs

19:28 <xcamel> "Chicago Beats New York, Los Angeles In Murders"

19:28 <xcamel> obamacide?

19:32 <xcamel>

19:32 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Classic Belushi - Animal House (at

19:37 <xcamel> x-ray scotch tape - whooda thunkit

19:44 <Rookie_69> NN.

19:45 <xcamel> laterz

19:45 <Rookie_69> Hi/bye, Jay.

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19:56 <CoderForLife> gn

20:01 <xcamel> laterz also

20:11 <xcamel> &wx 12074

20:11 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 44.6°F / 7.0°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.40in / 1029.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. The low in the lower 40s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.; Saturday - Showers likely in the morning...then rain in the afternoon. The high in the upper 50s. Southeast (2 more messages)

20:11 <xcamel> &more

20:11 <Romulus> xcamel: winds 5 to 10 mph... increasing to 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 50 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Saturday Night - Rain in the evening...then scattered showers after midnight. The low in the mid 40s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 50 mph...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Wind (1 more message)

20:11 <xcamel> &more

20:11 <Romulus> xcamel: Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 AM EDT on October 26, 2008;

20:11 <xcamel> First with breaking.....

20:11 <xcamel> wind....

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20:31 <bigt0242000> &wx 30173

20:31 <Romulus> bigt0242000: Temperature: 52.3°F / 11.3°C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.11in / 1019.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Occasional drizzle in the evening. Areas of fog. Lows in the mid 40s. Light and variable winds shifting to the northwest after midnight.; Saturday - Partly sunny in the morning then clearing. Highs 64 (1 more message)

20:32 <bigt0242000> &more

20:32 <Romulus> bigt0242000: to 70. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds up to 10 mph.;

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20:44 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

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20:45 <efc> Moo

20:47 <nickuwo> the chicken says...

20:47 <Tank_Master> moo

20:48 <Tank_Master> so, nickuwo, how much longer r u gonna hand out work?

20:48 <nickuwo> dun know

20:48 <Tank_Master> coo :)

20:48 <Tank_Master> I just may get a mill out of you yet

20:48 <nickuwo> I should prolly stop... I think willy from boincstats hates me

20:50 <PovAddict> you should have aborted it all since the beginning

20:50 <PovAddict> if it's not useful work

20:50 <nickuwo> I tried

20:52 <PovAddict> yeah you're still granting credits

20:52 <PovAddict>

20:52 <Romulus> <> (at

20:53 <nickuwo> i know

20:55 * efc starts a BOINC project and snail mails out the work on thumbdrives

20:55 <nickuwo> laterz

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20:55 <PovAddict> efc: "sneakernet" :)

20:56 <PovAddict> "Sneakernets can achieve tremendous throughput, but they suffer from high latency."

20:57 <PovAddict> "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

20:59 <efc> Did I mention my gigabit switch is up and running? Only one giga capable computer though.

20:59 <efc> I get about 50 mpbs on file transfers.

20:59 <efc> well around 4045

21:03 <MTughan> efc: Megabits or megabytes?

21:04 <MTughan> I have a gigabit "network" here too. In this case, it's two gigabit enabled computers connected with a Cat-5e cable. xD

21:04 <MTughan> Does enable faster file sharing than over the wireless-G though.

21:05 <efc> bits

21:05 <efc> I would think it could come closer to doing 100 than that, but its good enough I guess

21:05 <efc> only a 40 meg file, maybe on a really big one it would settle down

21:07 <PovAddict> generate the data

21:07 <PovAddict> and drop it to the bit bucket at the other end

21:07 <PovAddict> test the network without disk access :)

21:12 <efc> Closer to 75 mbps on a big file

21:16 <PovAddict> Windows 7 internal version number will be 6.1

21:16 <PovAddict> what the hell are they thinking?

21:16 <efc> 6+1 = 6.1, Duh

21:17 <MTughan> 2000 was 5.0, XP was 5.1, Vista is 6.0, 7 is 6.1.

21:17 <PovAddict> apparently there were compat. problems when Vista changed the major version

21:18 <PovAddict> MTughan: you know what Windows apps need...

21:18 <PovAddict> minimumVersion :)

21:18 <MTughan> lol

21:18 <Tank_Master> no

21:18 <Tank_Master> server 2008 and vista SP! are 6.1

21:18 <Tank_Master> SP1

21:18 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: SPs don't increase that version number

21:19 <MTughan> Well, Vista RTM was 6.0 then.

21:19 <Tank_Master> they did this time

21:19 <MTughan> That big a change, huh?

21:19 <Tank_Master> tot he same kernel as server 2008

21:19 <Tank_Master> to the*

21:21 <PovAddict>

21:21 <Romulus> <> (at

21:22 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: "Vista SP1 and S2008 share the SAME kernel (Build 6001), while Pre-SP Vista uses an easrlier one (Build 6000). All of these share the same version number of 6.0."

21:24 <Tank_Master> ahh, thought they uped the version to

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21:27 <PovAddict> "Prerelease versions of the Windows SDK for Vista were originally installed into a "v1.0" folder.  They wisely changed this to v6.0 to match Vista's version upon release.  Frustratingly for versioning sticklers like myself, when VistaSP1/Server08 were released, they changed this to v6.1, even though the OS itself is 6.0 SP1." *confusion*

21:33 * efc finds the channel listing very unhelpful

21:34 <PovAddict> ?

21:35 <efc> doing a full channel listing takes about 5 minutes, 54,000 channels (on another network though)

21:35 <PovAddict> ah yeah

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22:22 <efc> I wonder, if I put a second network card in a computer, if it will miraculously talk twice as fast over the network..

22:22 <MTughan> Nope. Unless you have multiple applications using network, then possible.

22:23 <efc> Channel bonding or something like that.. I vaguely remember a linux patch for it

22:24 <MTughan> NOTE: Ramsey@Home shutting down tomorrow.

22:24 <Romulus> <> (at

22:25 <MTughan> Gah... Validate, you darn E@H WUs! The RAC on my new laptop has slipped from 500 to 300...

22:26 <efc> I lured your innocent WUs onto my 386, muhaha

22:26 <MTughan> No, it's because a lot of them were assigned to machines that detached.

22:27 <Tank_Master> waa?

22:27 <MTughan> Also, that my machine is returning them within two days.

22:27 <Tank_Master> nick just told me he wasnt sure when the project was shutting down

22:27 <MTughan> He posted on the forums. Check the link.

22:29 <Tank_Master> ok

22:30 <MTughan> Wow... In the pending WUs on E@H for me, 3 had client detach, and 8 had compute errors... The rest (about another 10 or so) are all in progress or unsent.

22:30 <MTughan> Have 22 WUs pending ATM, with 19 of those from the new laptop... Nice.

22:30 <MTughan> &math 22 * 223.23

22:30 <Romulus> MTughan: 4911.06

22:35 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You and Pov were discussing Windows version numbers earlier. A string from a Vista comp on BOINC: "Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium x86 Editon, Service Pack 1, (06.00.6001.00)"

22:39 * efc thinks its time to upgrade to 10 gigabit ethernet

22:40 <MTughan> Isn't that fiber?

22:41 <efc> There are some copper variants.

22:43 <efc> Supposed to use Cat6a

22:43 <MTughan> I know Cat6 works with gigabit. Haven't heard of Cat6a.

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22:44 <MTughan> Ah... "It is expected to suit the 10GBASE-T (10Gigabit Ethernet) standard, although with limitations on length if unshielded Cat 6 cable is used."

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22:45 <efc> You'd need a pretty hot bus to even feed at that speed

22:46 <MTughan> No consumer hardware supports 10G yet I don't think. Gigabit is becoming quite popular though.

22:47 <MTughan> Yep. "In 2008 10GBASE-T silicon is now available from several manufacturers with claimed power dissipation of 6W and a latency approaching 1 microsecond, however, these parts are not yet in production."

22:48 <efc> Heck, 10GBASE would be about as fast as PC-133 RAM, I think

22:48 <MTughan> Nice...

22:48 <MTughan> Wikipedia reference does point to a Broadcom controller with support for 10G ethernet.

22:51 <MTughan> I suppose at some point we'd hit a speed limit with copper in terms of electrical resistance, but fiber is getting cheaper.

22:55 <efc> There's been work on 100G ether, with no effort to do it on copper that I can see

22:56 <MTughan> Yeah, that could make sense. Although it could come to copper as it evolves.

22:58 <MTughan> bbiab, need food.

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23:10 <MTughan> Yo zombie.

23:10 <MTughan> Ramsey shutting down tomorrow.

23:10 <Romulus> <> (at

23:10 <CoderForLife> we are entering a dark time:

23:10 <Romulus> <> (at

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23:28 <zombie67> hi MT!

23:28 <MTughan> Hey.

23:29 <zombie67> got my 1M in @ ramsey.

23:31 <zombie67> MT, found some more space!

23:32 <MTughan> Heh... Good.

23:32 <zombie67> forgot I also had thunderbird set up for email, and with two different account settings

23:32 <zombie67> user ids

23:32 <zombie67> whatever they are called

23:32 <zombie67> basically, including apple Mail, I had my work email triplicated

23:32 <zombie67> several gig each

23:33 <MTughan> That's where IMAP comes in handy.

23:34 <zombie67> yeah, it *is* an IMAP account.

23:34 <MTughan> Shouldn't increase local usage then. It's stored on the server.

23:34 <zombie67> but with a laptop, I have them set to download/sync everything locally.

23:34 <MTughan> Ah...

23:34 <zombie67> because I am frequently off line

23:35 <zombie67> and apple mail automatically keeps local copies by default too

23:36 <zombie67> so I am now 96/111 full

23:37 <zombie67> that should be enough to keep it from getting thrashy

23:37 <zombie67> or....I could buy the new MBP///

23:45 <zombie67> MT, which IM client do you use?

23:45 <MTughan> Colloquy.

23:45 <zombie67> er, not for irc, i mean IM

23:45 <MTughan> What IMs?

23:45 <zombie67> like AIM, Yahoo, etc

23:46 <zombie67> jabber

23:46 <MTughan> I have both Skype and YIM, but I rarely use the latter.

23:47 <zombie67> ah.   I use adium for my multi-platofrm client

23:47 <MTughan> Skype is mostly for family connections. IRC is my public one.

23:49 <zombie67> people at work use jabber, and friends use AIM/.Mac or Yahoo

23:58 <MTughan> Holy crap... Reading about Air Force One. Apparently, Harry Truman once wanted to be part of an airshow his family was watching from the roof of the White House.

23:58 <MTughan> So he asked the pilot to dive-bomb the plane over the White House. They did. Twice. Coming within 500 feet each time. This was the aircraft:

23:58 <Romulus> <> (at

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