IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-10-26

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00:41 <Soul_keeper> "william ayers is my best friend, i'm telling you this because i'm so far ahead in the polls it's not gonna matter!!" --obama snl

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00:52 <Soul_keeper> http://josephsunga.com/2008/10/introducing-oscar-rogers-financial-expert/

00:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6rttf3> (at josephsunga.com)

01:11 <efc> moo

01:12 <efc> I have the Denethor attitude now

01:12 <Soul_keeper> &dict Denethor

01:12 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: No definition for "Denethor" could be found.

01:12 <Soul_keeper> &urbandict Denethor

01:12 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

01:14 <efc> the one from LOTR

01:15 <Soul_keeper> &urbandict LOTR

01:15 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.

01:15 <Soul_keeper> yeah you're speaking spanish

01:15 <efc> lord of the rings

01:16 <efc> in the movie, denethor gives up, and eats grapes while the city is attacked

01:16 <efc> though in the book he is more proactive

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03:01 * efc munches on Havarti cheese and crackers

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03:20 <Tidus> hooray

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03:24 <MTughan> Well that was fun...

03:24 <MTughan> Fire alarm. At 3AM!

03:24 <Tidus> lol that sucks

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03:25 <Tidus> when i was in college they ALWAYS did that on finals

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03:25 <Tidus> hi KathrynM

03:25 <MTughan> Out for 20 minutes... At least it stopped raining.

03:25 <Tidus> MTughan: i got me a new toy to play with :)

03:26 <MTughan> That would be...

03:26 <Tidus> HP Pavilion dv8327cl. Core 2 Duo T5500 (1.66ghz, 2mb, 667 fsb), 2gb ram, 2x100gb disk, 17" widescreen, geforce 7600 go video

03:26 <MTughan> Desktop machine?

03:26 <Tidus> laptop

03:26 <MTughan> 2x 100GB HDs? How big is this thing?

03:27 <Tidus> well, it's got a 17" widescreen mounted to it

03:28 <Tidus> it weighs about 9lb

03:28 <MTughan> I'd prefer my new laptop... Core 2 Duo T9400 (2.53GHz, 6MB, 1066 FSB), 2GB RAM, 160GB 7200rpm HD, 14" widescreen, and ATI HD3470 graphics.

03:28 <MTughan> 5.5lbs.

03:28 <Tidus> that aint bad, but how much did you pay for it?

03:28 <MTughan> $1600.

03:28 <Tidus> <-- $0

03:28 <MTughan> That would explain the GeForce 7600 graphics...

03:29 <Tidus> the nvidia 7600 was roughly equivalent to the ati x1k series

03:29 <MTughan> I had a 9600 series in my old desktop.

03:29 <MTughan> Radeon 9600 that is...

03:30 <Tidus> the nvidia 7600 is roughly equivalent to an ati x1600

03:30 <MTughan> Still older than mine. Although better than the Mac's card: Intel GMA950. Piece of sh*t.

03:30 <Tidus> my desktop has an nvidia 6600 in it, my old desktop had an ati x1950xt

03:31 <Tidus> and you're talking old mac if it's got the GMA950

03:31 <Tidus> the last white macbooks had the GMAx3100

03:31 <MTughan> I'm wanting to make a new desktop next summer, a power machine that won't go out for a good 4-5 years.

03:32 <MTughan> Yes, this is a 1st gen MacBook. Although from what I heard, the x3100s were a step back, so I got it when it was all right. Don't have the C2D processor though.

03:32 <Tidus> the x3100 is actually faster than the GMA950

03:32 <MTughan> Still doesn't mean overall performance boost.

03:33 <Tidus> this laptop had a pentium dual-core T2300 in it when i got it

03:33 <Tidus> what happened is a lady brought it to me to fix, and it had a fried video card

03:33 <MTughan> Anyway... If I were building a new system today, I'd be looking at either a Nvidia 9800 series or AT Radeon HD4800 series card.

03:33 <MTughan> ATI*

03:34 <Tidus> and since HP soldered the graphics to the mainboard

03:34 <Tidus> it needed the whole new mainboard

03:34 <MTughan> Yep...

03:34 <Tidus> i quoted the price to fix it, which was $400 plus my labor

03:34 <Tidus> she said keep it

03:34 <MTughan> Nice...

03:34 <MTughan> Attach it to BOINC, that many more credits. :P

03:34 <Tidus> and my friend had one similar that had a fried screen and keyboard

03:35 <Tidus> so he gave it to me, used the processor and mainboard out of his

03:36 <Tidus> now i have a decent laptop that beats the pants off my desktop

03:36 <MTughan> Both are still old systems.

03:36 <Tidus> yeah, it's a bit older but still runs ok

03:36 <Tidus> and not bad for free

03:37 <MTughan> I used to have a P4 Prescott @ 2.8GHz with 1GB RAM. Wasn't bad, but the MacBook tops it quite handily for BOINC performance.

03:37 <MTughan> OC'd to 3.15GHz.

03:37 <Tidus> and linux has drivers for the intel a/b/g wireless card built in

03:38 <Tidus> my desktop is a single core athlon64 3500 (socket AM2, 2.2ghz OC'd to 2.6) with 3gb ram

03:38 <MTughan> That is the thing about older systems... Kernel doesn't have drivers for my a/b/g/n wireless yet.

03:39 <Tidus> i'm happy with it

03:39 <Tidus> can't afford anything brand new that could beat it

03:39 <MTughan> For free? For sure.

03:39 <Tidus> any laptop that i could afford would easily be swallowed by this thing

03:39 <Tidus> in either processor, video, or both

03:39 <MTughan> Just a bit of labour on your part, and you have a newer laptop.

03:40 <MTughan> Although laptops are trickier than desktops...

03:40 <Tidus> yeah, a bit of labor as in completely re-assembling the whole damn thing from a box of parts :P

03:41 <MTughan> lol

03:42 <Tidus> battery sucks

03:42 <Tidus> due to massive screen, 2 hdds...

03:42 <Tidus> it'll run just short of 2h before petering out

03:43 <MTughan> Hehe... I can get 6+ hours out of this one.

03:43 <Tidus> if i broke the raid that was pre-set on its disks, i could run it off just one so the other would shut down

03:43 <MTughan> Why don't you? Performance?

03:44 <Tidus> yeah

03:44 <MTughan> Well, I should ask... RAID 0 or 1?

03:44 <Tidus> 1 for /boot and (root), 0 for /home

03:44 <Tidus> software raid

03:44 <MTughan> Ah...

03:44 <MTughan> So stability for /boot and performance for /home... What about /usr?

03:45 <Tidus> it's not on separate partition

03:45 <Tidus> so it's on the / partition

03:45 <MTughan> Oh, /boot and /... Okay.

03:45 <Tidus> which is raid 1

03:45 <MTughan> Sorry, I skipped over (root) before.

03:45 <Tidus> lol

03:45 <Tidus> most people get a tad confused when i just put "/" so i type (root)

03:46 <MTughan> I would imagine most people don't work in a command-line day in and day out though.

03:46 <Tidus> yeah

03:46 <Tidus> i do a fair bit of audio and video editing under linux, that's why /home is on raid0

03:47 <MTughan> Yeah, RAID 0 would definitely help there. Just hope the disks are up to par.

03:47 <Tidus> i've set the temporary directory for the programs i use to ~/tmp

03:47 <Tidus> and i exhaustively read/write tested them before installing

03:47 <MTughan> That's good.

03:48 <Tidus> and they are a matched pair of disks

03:48 <MTughan> If I had a bit of money, I might look into a RAID 10 setup.

03:48 <Tidus> raid5 works perfectly if you need striping and redundancy

03:48 <MTughan> Whether 1+0 or 0+1 would have to be determined.

03:48 <MTughan> Or 5 too. I had looked at that before.

03:48 <Tidus> 5 works wonders

03:48 <Tidus> that's what mystorage server runs on its 3x250 storage array

03:48 <MTughan> 3 disks minimum, right?

03:49 <Tidus> and yeah, 3 disks minimum

03:49 <MTughan> I believe 10 is 4 disks.

03:49 <Tidus> yeah, 10 needs 4 minimum

03:49 <Tidus> 5 only needs 3 for redundancy

03:49 <Tidus> you can set the array up in "failed" mode with only 2 disks

03:50 <Tidus> when you add the third it'll re-stripe and provide redundancy

03:50 <MTughan> Yeah. I'd have to stack up the advantages, and whether I'd need a RAID array. Hard disks can still eat up costs.

03:50 <MTughan> Although with terabyte drives available for $140 (I know!), it's not as much of a cost now.

03:50 <Tidus> i use 5 on my storage server because i save finished video projects that my customers have me do for a short period in case i have to fix something or they need more copies

03:51 <Tidus> i mostly edit wedding videos or birthday party videos

03:51 <MTughan> Wouldn't a faster processor help then? And definitely more RAM for video editors.

03:52 <Tidus> you'd be surprised how much disk performance factors in on that one

03:52 <Tidus> even with a raid-0 on /home, i can't peg out the processor

03:52 <MTughan> I wouldn't be surprised, but rendering an effect or movie would be hard on the processor.

03:52 <MTughan> iMovie maxes out my dual-core 2.0GHz.

03:52 <Tidus> yeah, that does take a bit of time

03:53 <Tidus> your average birthday video of 30 minutes takes about an hour 15 to an hour 30 to render

03:53 <MTughan> For just the editing, RAM and disk performance are key. Rendering needs more CPU, although lots of RAM is still helpful to prevent swapping.

03:54 <MTughan> Do you edit HD or SD video?

03:54 <Tidus> just SD

03:54 <Tidus> where i live, it's just your average redneck with a camcorder and he wants it turned into something presentable

03:54 <MTughan> I'd hate to see how long 720p video takes compared to the SD... Let along 1080p. xD

03:54 <MTughan> lol

03:54 <Tidus> yeah, ouch

03:54 <Tidus> i'd need a mac pro for that

03:54 <Tidus> :) :)

03:55 <MTughan> I wish...

03:55 <MTughan> Maybe you can contract out zombie's 8-core.

03:55 <Tidus> 8 cores of xeon power :) ... 8 gb of ram

03:55 <Soul_keeper> you don't _need_ a mac for anything

03:55 <MTughan> They go up to 32GB.

03:55 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: You do if you want to get it done in a lifetime.

03:56 <Tidus> macs were meant for graphics work

03:56 <Tidus> like video / audio / photo editing

03:56 <Soul_keeper> they use the same cpu as a pc

03:56 <MTughan> You call dual Xeon processors the same as a PC? Maybe a server, but not a consumer PC.

03:56 <Tidus> but not the same basic IO system

03:56 <Tidus> PCs still use BIOS (old, 30 years old), wehre macs use EFI

03:56 <Tidus> much more efficient

03:57 <MTughan> They just recently switched, but they do.

03:58 <MTughan> Although I have had the MB in this Mac fail three times.

03:59 <MTughan> Wow... Almost 4AM. I should be off to bed.

03:59 <Tidus> lol

03:59 <Tidus> especially after that FIRE ALARM

04:00 <MTughan> Fire alarm at 3:06AM, we got back in at 3:28AM, and I've been talking on IRC for half an hour.

04:00 <Tidus> lol

04:00 <MTughan> One thing though: at least the rain earlier stopped.

04:00 <Tidus> that's a good thing

04:00 <Tidus> it's just really cold here

04:01 <Tidus> &weather 72764

04:01 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 50.4F / 10.2C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 94.0mph / 151.3km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds around 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny. Highs around 70. Southwest winds around 10 mph shifting to the northwest up to 10 mph in the afternoon.; Sunday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

04:01 <Tidus> &more

04:01 <Romulus> Tidus: clear. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.;

04:01 <MTughan> We're currently sitting at 6C/43F.

04:01 <Tidus> i'm probably about 2000 miles south of you too

04:01 <Tidus> lol

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04:01 <Tidus> &zipinfo 72764

04:01 <Romulus> Tidus: City: Springdale; State: AR; County: Washington; Area Code: 479; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 36.1771 (North); Longitude: 94.0897 (West)

04:01 <MTughan> Wow, that's some strong wind...

04:02 <Tidus> LOL

04:02 <Tidus> i just seen that

04:02 <Tidus> the stations probably off

04:02 <Tidus> i just opened my front door and theres like no wind

04:04 <MTughan> You're about 1200mi/1900km  from me.

04:04 <MTughan> &weather YOW

04:04 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.76in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 3:00 AM EDT; Tonight - Rain ending this evening then cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. Becoming cloudy periods overnight. Amount 30 to 40 mm(1.2 to 1.6 in). Low 4C(39F).; Sunday - Cloudy with 30 percent chance of showers in (1 more message)

04:04 <MTughan> &more

04:04 <Romulus> MTughan: the morning and early in the afternoon. Showers beginning in the afternoon. Wind becoming south 20 km/h (12 mph) in the afternoon. High 10C(50F). Sunday night showers. Wind southwest 20 km/h (12 mph). Low 6C(43F).; Monday - Cloudy with 70 percent chance of showers. High 7C(45F).;

04:05 <MTughan> Ouch... High of 7C/45F on Monday. That's cold.

04:06 <Tidus> yeah, just a bit nippy

04:08 <FreeLarry> &wx 98366

04:08 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Temperature: 44.8F / 7.1C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. North wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Sunny. Areas of morning fog. Highs in the upper 50s to mid 60s. North wind 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

04:08 <FreeLarry> &more

04:08 <Romulus> FreeLarry: clear. Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. Northeast wind to 10 mph.;

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04:58 <CoderForLife> oh wow

04:58 <CoderForLife> fantastic APOD   http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html

04:58 <Romulus> Title: Astronomy Picture of the Day (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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06:14 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 42.8F / 6.0C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.3mph / 8.5km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain (1 more message)

06:14 <CoderForLife> &more

06:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: showers in the afternoon. Much cooler with highs in the mid 40s. West winds 15 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

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07:59 <Soul_keeper> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13285

07:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/69wler> (at www.dailytech.com)

08:01 <CoderForLife> interesting, Soul_keeper

08:01 <Soul_keeper> i guess it was only a matter of time

08:02 <Soul_keeper> just someone else is getting 10k a pop ...

08:02 <CoderForLife> yup

08:02 <Soul_keeper> i'll be a success in the next life

08:03 * CoderForLife Codes in this life

08:03 <Welshman> me too

08:04 <Welshman> I made too many mistakes early on

08:04 <Welshman> hindsight eh!

08:04 <CoderForLife> 20/20 hindsight

08:05 <CoderForLife> I have trouble predicting the future -  I am much better at predicting the past

08:05 <Soul_keeper> :)

08:06 * CoderForLife works on the Code to optimize his 401K mutual fund selections, based on past performance

08:06 <Soul_keeper> excellent

08:07 <CoderForLife> this year is very challenging to my model

08:07 <Soul_keeper> it's challenging to everyone

08:07 <Soul_keeper> they all lost faith, just pure panic,  human nature is the only true guage

08:08 <CoderForLife> as soon as the model decides to move in, >blammo<

08:09 <CoderForLife> back-testing the current model shows a hypothetical gain of 2.6% this year

08:09 <Soul_keeper> everything always makes sense when you back test it ....

08:10 <Soul_keeper> politicians love to do that

08:11 <Soul_keeper> i gotta fall asleep,  good luck

08:11 <CoderForLife> thx tc

08:13 <CoderForLife> my actual gain this year-to-date is 1.1%

08:14 <CoderForLife> in the 401K account, that is

08:14 <CoderForLife> the wall was been all "loss"

08:15 <Soul_keeper> don't forget inflation :)

08:16 <Soul_keeper> http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/    st. louis fed has all that data if you want to implement it into your model ...

08:16 <Romulus> Title: St. Louis Fed: Economic Data - FRED (at research.stlouisfed.org)

08:18 <xcamel> 'lo

08:18 <CoderForLife> morning Jay

08:18 <CoderForLife> thx Soul_keeper - I am using several years worth of data from the mutual funds available in my 401K

08:19 <Soul_keeper> http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/CPILFENS.txt   those are the CPI numbers (less food/energy)   might be able to parse those with a script

08:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5a7sde> (at research.stlouisfed.org)

08:20 <CoderForLife> I get all my data by parsing HTML screen scrapes

08:21 <Soul_keeper> looks like we've averaged 4.8% annual inflation according to that data over the last 20yrs

08:22 <CoderForLife> that means that I simply have to be a better investor =)

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08:23 <Soul_keeper> they are saying we are in/entering a "deflationary recession"   i don't believe that for a minute

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08:24 <CoderForLife> damn Miranduh tab bug

08:24 <CoderForLife> this is good data, S<tab>oul_keeper

08:25 <Soul_keeper> :)

08:26 <Soul_keeper> the government inflation data is suspect, sites like  http://www.shadowstats.com/  offer "true" inflation numbers

08:26 <Romulus> Title: Shadow Government Statistics - Home Page (at www.shadowstats.com)

08:26 <Soul_keeper> they estimate it about 3% higher it seems

08:27 <CoderForLife> I track a lot of data pertinent to the funds available to me

08:28 <Soul_keeper> http://www.bea.gov/    this is another excellent site for stuff like GDP and other government releases (supposed to be a lot this week)

08:28 <Romulus> Title: U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA) - bea.gov Home Page (at www.bea.gov)

08:28 <CoderForLife> unit values, exponential moving averages, relative strength index, etc

08:29 <Soul_keeper> those can be usefull during stabile times i suppose,  i tend to mostly pay attention to human nature and sentiment

08:29 <Soul_keeper> fear is the rule of hand right now :)

08:30 <CoderForLife> my model is fairly cautious, and is largely momentum-driven

08:30 <Soul_keeper> nice

08:30 <Soul_keeper> do you use support/resistance ?

08:31 <CoderForLife> from an RSI perspective, yes

08:31 <CoderForLife> no Bollinger Bands here

08:31 <CoderForLife> RSI is a factor in the buy/sell rules

08:33 <CoderForLife> if I use the model for individual stocks, then I can also use money flow as a decsision criteria

08:33 <Soul_keeper> http://crswingtrader.com/  i like this method

08:33 <Romulus> Title: Constant Risk Trading (at crswingtrader.com)

08:33 <Soul_keeper> not for investors tho

08:33 <CoderForLife> no volume data for the mutual funds, so no money flow calcs

08:34 <Soul_keeper> http://www.prophet.net/analyze/sc.jsp   has nice charts if you know the ticker symbol for your funds

08:35 <Soul_keeper> with the ticker you can get a log of daily volume from finance.yahoo.com also

08:35 <CoderForLife> the funds are not available publically

08:35 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

08:35 <Soul_keeper> closed-end ?

08:35 <xcamel> "Ohio Home Explodes While Owner Out Running Errands"

08:36 <xcamel> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444045,00.html

08:36 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/57jhr2> (at www.foxnews.com)

08:36 <CoderForLife> there may be parallel funds traded

08:36 <xcamel> oops..

08:36 <CoderForLife> he was having furnace problems, and went to buy an electirc heater

08:36 <CoderForLife> "turned off the gas to the furnace"

08:37 <CoderForLife> we pop a house every few years around here

08:37 <CoderForLife> I expect a few more this winter with all the empty foreclosed houses

08:38 <Soul_keeper> welp ttyl

08:38 <CoderForLife> cya Soul_keeper

08:38 <CoderForLife> thx

08:48 <xcamel> oh crap..

08:48 <xcamel> TV Anchorwoman Dies After Beating

08:48 <xcamel> http://news.aol.com/article/tv-anchorwoman-dies-after-beating/218135

08:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5pgdjv> (at news.aol.com)

08:48 <CoderForLife> yeah, very bad stuff

08:49 <xcamel> http://o.aolcdn.com/photo-hub/news_gallery/5/8/581996/1224544921994_t.JPEG

08:49 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5md9hb> (at o.aolcdn.com)

08:49 <xcamel> geeez...

08:49 <xcamel> she had a bit part in the movie "W"

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09:28 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081026.html

09:28 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 October 26 - Massive Stars in Open Cluster Pismis 24 (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

09:28 <xcamel> wowza..

09:28 <CoderForLife> yeah, knocked my socks off this morning

09:30 <CoderForLife> as it turns out, a repeat from 12/19/2006, but still wow

09:31 <xcamel> they recycle the best ones now and then

09:43 <xcamel> ET!! ET!!

09:43 <xcamel> http://www.darkskiesblog.com/2008/10/26/stephenville-and-erath-county-texas-have-another-rash-of-ufo-sightings-last-week-video-embed/

09:43 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5kx2f3> (at www.darkskiesblog.com)

09:45 <CoderForLife> was Biden campaigning in the area?

09:48 <xcamel> in that case, they would be exiting earth, failing to find any intelligent life.

09:49 <CoderForLife> they taking passengers?

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09:51 <xcamel> sadly, no.

09:51 <CoderForLife> I see zombie67 is on board

09:51 <xcamel> only Gomer Gummer's goats.

09:53 <CoderForLife> going to do some chores:  put the birdfeeders back up (taken doen for construction", try to free up the walkout basement screen door where the patio installers cemented it closed

09:53 <CoderForLife> bbl

09:54 <xcamel> Obama supporter...

09:54 <xcamel> http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/102608/met_348391727.shtml

09:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5gjfbb> (at www.jacksonville.com)

09:55 <CoderForLife> looney too

09:55 <CoderForLife> laterz

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12:48 <xcamel> re-banck

12:48 <xcamel> re-back even

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14:44 <Tank_Master> re-wb

14:44 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master with a time stamp

14:45 <xcamel> lol

14:45 * Tank_Master slamps wdsmia with a time warp singularity

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15:00 <FreeLarry> humm whats the word on boincmanager 6.3.17? worth testing?

15:00 <PovAddict> heh xcamel will tell you :)

15:00 <FreeLarry> humm PovAddict with a comment like that - sounds like not

15:00 <Tank_Master> in my experence? not one bit

15:01 <Tank_Master> I have used it

15:01 <Tank_Master> for all of 5 min

15:01 <Tank_Master> then went back to .14

15:01 <FreeLarry> kay - sounds like i'll just update to 6.2.19 than

15:01 <PovAddict> FreeLarry: what version do you currently have?

15:01 <FreeLarry> just noticed most of machines at 6.2.6 or .12

15:01 <Tank_Master> unless you NEED v6, id stay away from it

15:01 <FreeLarry> not sure of linux machines

15:02 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: are you suggesting he goes back to 5.10.45?

15:02 <PovAddict> <.<

15:02 <Tank_Master> I only have 6.3.14 on my GPU comp

15:02 <FreeLarry> controlling 4 machines from one machine

15:02 <Tank_Master> all my others are 5.10.45

15:02 <PovAddict> 6.2 isn't *too* bad

15:02 <Tank_Master> 5.10 is better though

15:02 <PovAddict> at least compared to all the new brokenness in 6.3

15:02 <Tank_Master> MUSH more stable and predictable

15:02 <Tank_Master> yeah

15:02 <FreeLarry> 5.10.45 didn't work on the vista machine at all it seemed

15:03 <Tank_Master> sucks you must use 6.3 for GPU apps

15:03 <PovAddict> well duh

15:03 <Tank_Master> try installinh 5.10 into its own directory

15:03 <FreeLarry> ahh haven't got gpu apps that i know of

15:03 <Tank_Master> right now, only PS3grid has a GPU app for some GeForce 880s and higher

15:03 <Tank_Master> 8800s*

15:10 <FreeLarry> humm to new for most of my vid card

15:11 <FreeLarry> PovAddict should know on monday wether or not have thelinux machine sold so may want to move your files to another machine

15:12 <FreeLarry> you have accounts on the other 2 linux machines

15:14 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

15:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 49.3F / 9.6C | Humidity: 24% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 16.0mph / 25.7km/h ; Rest of Today - Sunny. Very windy. Cooler. High in the upper 40s. Northwest wind 35 to 40 mph with gusts to around 60 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Windy...colder. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts (1 more message)

15:14 <wdsmia> &more

15:14 <Romulus> wdsmia: to around 50 mph decreasing to 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph after midnight.; Monday - Mostly sunny. High in the mid 40s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; High Wind Warning for Polk County in effect until 8:00 PM CDT on October 26, 2008;

15:15 <FreeLarry> howdy doug

15:15 <wdsmia> *lo Larry

15:16 <FreeLarry> humm one mahcine acting funny so doing a restore to earlier

15:16 <FreeLarry> has been on a few japenese sites so maybe something in it i don't want

15:17 <wdsmia> sushi?

15:20 <FreeLarry> could be - could also be the drawing pad software - going back 2 days now - something causing java blocks to prevent  trend micro from running

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15:24 <FreeLarry> needed to reinstall the last security update after that restore

15:25 <FreeLarry> wonder if it caused the java faults

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15:49 <FreeLarry> humm maybe java plugin corrupted? trend works on this machine but not that one

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15:57 <FreeLarry> humm java corruption appears to be it

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16:02 <efc> moo

16:03 <FreeLarry> maawwwwahhhaaahhaaa

16:04 <FreeLarry> oh darn time to do dailies and get ready for commute

16:04 <FreeLarry> &tca

16:04 <Romulus> FreeLarry: Are you daft?

16:04 <FreeLarry> as a drunken bat Romulus

16:04 <FreeLarry> &bye all

16:04 <Romulus> later ace

16:08 <efc> &weather 30625

16:08 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 73F / 23C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the mid 70s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Monday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Wind Advisory for Morgan (1 more message)

16:09 <efc> &more

16:09 <Romulus> efc: County in effect until 8:00 PM EDT on October 27, 2008; Fire Weather Warning for Morgan County in effect until 9:00 PM EDT on October 27, 2008;

16:43 <xcamel> re-hi

16:44 <efc> Moo xcamel

16:59 <PovAddict> &google calc 4.8MB to megabits

16:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: 4.8 megabytes = 38.4 megabits

16:59 <PovAddict> &google calc 100 megabits / second to MB/s

16:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: 100 (megabits / second) = 12.5 MB / s

17:00 <xcamel> chirp.

17:00 <xcamel> welcome to idiot hunter season...

17:00 <efc> Ugh.

17:01 * FreeLarry is that a crow - look for bb pistols

17:01 <efc> I'm having to find a new route to run, decided not to risk the national forest

17:01 <FreeLarry> quick hide the cows

17:01 <efc> 2 gig micro SD card in the GPS now.. $5

17:05 <efc> And there was only 2 megs on it..

17:06 <PovAddict> $5 for 2 gig?

17:06 <PovAddict> hope prices aren't linear

17:06 <PovAddict> $500 for 200gig :)

17:07 <PovAddict> a bit of a waste for 2 megs though

17:07 <efc> They are worse than that

17:07 <efc> I figured I'd go ahead and buy it before they got rare or something

17:07 <PovAddict> you should use one of those 16MB SDs that come with digital cameras

17:07 <PovAddict> out of the box

17:08 <efc> 2 gig in 1 cm^2

17:08 <PovAddict> most of that cm² is plastic though

17:08 <PovAddict> seen microSDs?

17:08 <efc> This is a microSD

17:08 <MTughan> Damn small.

17:08 <PovAddict> oic

17:09 <xcamel> msd's are a real pain

17:09 <efc> If I loaded high res topo of the state, it would probably surpass the original 64 meg card

17:09 <PovAddict> are there nanoSDs?

17:09 <efc> You'd need tweezers

17:09 <PovAddict> but you have dialup, you'd take forever to download it :)

17:09 <efc> You can order pre-programmed microSD's from Garmin, or DVDs, that would be the way to go..

17:10 <efc> And they make the MSDs at least as big as 8 gig but I think 2 was the limit for the device

17:12 <xcamel> I think my brain is going to melt...

17:12 <xcamel> this a$$h0l3 election season, then straight into xmas season.

17:13 <efc> I'm dreading XMAS radio already

17:13 <MTughan> Yes, you can get 8GB MicroSD cards.

17:14 <efc> I've got 5 1:24,000 topo quads on there and some tracks and stuff and its less than 2 meg

17:15 <xcamel> enjoy your sack of coal and hardtack of obomber wins.

17:15 <xcamel> er if, even

17:15 <CoderForLife> ah, a glorious autumn day

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17:17 <CoderForLife> got the bird feeders back up, fixed the screen door that the patio guys had cemented closed, and covered the A/C unit outside

17:17 <CoderForLife> productive and relaxing - sat for a long time on the new patio, watching the clouds drift by

17:17 <Soul_keeper> must be great ...

17:18 <CoderForLife> off to pick up some din-din - looks like the vote is for Steak-n-Shake

17:18 <xcamel> lol - I hate the MSM

17:18 <CoderForLife> they hate you too

17:18 <xcamel> "100,000" show up for obomber in denver...

17:18 <Soul_keeper> i went there once, was highly dissapointed when they didn't have steaks ...

17:18 <xcamel> No mention of the free santana concert at the same time...

17:19 <CoderForLife> that's been the pattern

17:19 <xcamel> (same crap he pulled in germany)

17:19 <CoderForLife> yes

17:20 <CoderForLife> off to hunt-and-gather dinner - bbl

17:20 <xcamel> wating on apple spice pancakes..

17:24 <Tank_Master> wating on pumpkin icecream

17:25 <xcamel> always good - if it's the real thing...

17:26 <Tank_Master> yeah

17:28 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

17:28 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 91.4F / 33.0C | Humidity: 20% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 3.4mph / 5.5km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 53 to 63. Light winds.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs 84 to 89 in the western valleys to 89 to 94 near the foothills. Light winds.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Lows 54 to 64. Light winds.; (1 more message)

17:28 <Soul_keeper> hmmm back in the 90's it seems

17:29 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

17:29 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 70.2F / 21.2C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 70. Northeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Near The Gorge...east wind 20 to 25 mph increasing to 30 to 35 mph in the afternoon. Gusts to 40 mph near The Gorge.; Tonight - Clear. Lows 35 to 45. Northeast (1 more message)

17:29 <Tank_Master> &more

17:29 <Romulus> Tank_Master: wind 5 to 15 mph...except east wind 15 to 30 mph near The Gorge.; Monday - Sunny. Highs 70 to 75. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph.;

17:49 <xcamel> what a beautiful day it was - now predicting snow by tuesday...

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18:19 <CoderForLife> back

18:20 <CoderForLife> find any trespassing hunters today, xcamel?

18:21 <xcamel> evidence thereof...

18:21 <xcamel> pretty ballsy too..

18:21 <CoderForLife> oh?

18:21 <Romulus> hmm... oh is it like SocialBorg, CoderForLife

18:23 <xcamel> drove right in to an area I clearly have marked "no trespassing"

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18:26 <CoderForLife> I say the answer is Predator

18:32 <xcamel> drones?

18:32 <xcamel> with a helfire or two?

18:32 <MTughan> There are drones invading your property? lol

18:32 <CoderForLife> a proportionate response

18:32 <xcamel> that would be sweet!

18:33 <CoderForLife> look for heat signatures

18:33 <CoderForLife> jam it up the tail pipe

18:33 <MTughan> Well, I found a blog entry from 5 years ago that just about describes last night... http://chat.carleton.ca/~jsingh3/2004-1/fire_alarm.html

18:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5sch2d> (at chat.carleton.ca)

18:37 <CoderForLife> you're a false-file-alarm-a-phobe?

18:37 <MTughan> I didn't write that. Notice the date?

18:38 <MTughan> Oh, maybe you didn't hear... Fire alarm went off just after 3AM last night.

18:38 <CoderForLife> news to me

18:38 <Tank_Master> news to me

18:39 <CoderForLife> I must have slept through it

18:39 <MTughan> Is there an echo in here? :P

18:39 <MTughan> lol

18:39 <Tank_Master> lol

18:39 <Tank_Master> no

18:39 <CoderForLife> no

18:39 <MTughan> We were standing outside in 6C/43F weather for about 20 minutes.

18:39 <CoderForLife> sux

18:39 <Tank_Master> thats not bad

18:39 <efc> US strike inside Syria?

18:39 <Tank_Master> nice n brisk

18:39 <CoderForLife> yup efc

18:40 <efc> XCamel: "Trepassers will be shot. Survivors will be shot again."

18:40 <MTughan> rofl

18:40 <efc> Sign seen in GTA3

18:42 <xcamel> "Tresspassers witl be VIOLATED!"

18:42 <CoderForLife> on my way back home, I had to stop in front of 2 houses with certain political signs in the front yard, and were also flying the flag - I couldn't get over the discord in the message they were sending

18:42 <xcamel> cognitive dissonance?

18:43 <xcamel> like the news reports...

18:43 <CoderForLife> yup

18:43 <CoderForLife> I stopped to see what they looked like

18:44 <CoderForLife> no dissonance in the signs in Jean Schmidt's yard

18:45 <CoderForLife> She was right about Murtha

18:46 <xcamel> http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/10/26/booting-murtha-out-of-congress/

18:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/64svgo> (at mensnewsdaily.com)

18:47 <CoderForLife> you don't call your constituents names, Murtha

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18:50 <efc> 3.72 miles on new route, 30:27, didn't get shot

18:51 <CoderForLife> bragging or complaining?

18:51 <Tank_Master> uyes

18:51 <Tank_Master> yes*

18:57 <CoderForLife> which part>

18:57 <CoderForLife> er ?

18:57 <Romulus> It has been said that er is even, CoderForLife

19:02 * Tank_Master slaps Romulus around with Windows Me

19:02 <xcamel> now theres an insult and a half.

19:03 <CoderForLife> I'd be ashamed to have a copy

19:03 <PovAddict> I have a copy of Win95 somewhere here

19:03 <CoderForLife> I have a few of those

19:03 <PovAddict> heh Encarta 99 DVD

19:03 <MTughan> rofl

19:04 <PovAddict> costed a lot back then

19:04 <CoderForLife> I have a couple Windows for Workgroups

19:04 <Tank_Master> :P

19:04 <CoderForLife> any need OS/2?

19:04 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: I have floppies of Win3.1 and DOS6, but it's an incomplete set... :(

19:04 <CoderForLife> how about a copy of Excel for OS/2?

19:04 <MTughan> That's sad...

19:05 <CoderForLife> I have a full install of Novell NetWare

19:05 <PovAddict> I threw away a CD of Ubuntu 5.10 a few weeks ago

19:05 <xcamel> a copy of Enable for Dos?

19:05 <PovAddict> got WetWare?

19:05 <xcamel> (yes, I still have one)

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19:05 <CoderForLife> I have Lotus HAL for Lotus 1-2-3

19:05 <xcamel> Ok.. you win.

19:05 <CoderForLife> heh

19:06 <xcamel> I hated lotus.

19:06 <CoderForLife> I have shelves full of software from my Y2K company

19:06 <CoderForLife> The **only** thing I think I don't have is Windows Me

19:07 <xcamel> or BoB

19:07 <PovAddict> I have a scratched-beyond-readability CD of "3D Dinosaur Adventure"

19:07 <MTughan> My aunt used to have a computer with Me on it... It didn't stick around long before my dad replaced it with XP.

19:07 <CoderForLife> I think I have Bob

19:07 <PovAddict> IIRC, during install, it asks if your computer is 386 or 486

19:08 <CoderForLife> I think Bob was the quickest install/uninstall I ever did

19:09 <CoderForLife> Second was ALICE the Pascal compiler

19:09 <MTughan> My dad, named Bob, has a CD from a band called BoB...

19:09 <MTughan> Just this random stuff you come upon once in a while.

19:09 <Tank_Master> I got rid of my windows ME beta 1 CD just a week ago

19:10 <MTughan> I have a Vista Beta 2 DVD at home... I should snap it in half.

19:12 * CoderForLife tried Vista, and snapped

19:13 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: do ALICE and Bob send each other encrypted stuff?

19:13 <MTughan> Why do you think I insisted on an XP downgrade for my laptop?

19:13 <CoderForLife> ALICE didn't edit very well, so I doubt it

19:14 <CoderForLife> I guess you can still get ALICE http://www.templetons.com/brad/alice.html

19:14 <Romulus> Title: Alice PascalAlice Pascal (at www.templetons.com)

19:15 <CoderForLife> run away

19:18 <CoderForLife> that's *still* a nice APOD today

19:20 <CoderForLife> I'm going to wander downstairs - cya folks back here soon

19:20 <CoderForLife> gn

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19:51 * KathrynM yawns

19:59 <xcamel> 'lo Kat

20:08 <Tank_Master> KM!

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20:55 <PovAddict> http://countyoursheep.com/d/20081021.html

20:55 <Romulus> Title: Count Your Sheep - Tuesday, October 21, 2008 (at countyoursheep.com)

20:56 <PovAddict> and http://countyoursheep.com/d/20081023.html  and http://countyoursheep.com/d/20081024.html

20:56 <Romulus> Title: Count Your Sheep - Thursday, October 23, 2008 (at countyoursheep.com)

20:56 * PovAddict looks at xcamel

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21:00 <xcamel> laterz all..

21:09 <Tank_Master> c-ya xcamel

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