IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-10-28

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01:53 <Tank_Master> &cad

01:53 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

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03:12 <MTughan> Why am I still up at 3AM...

03:12 <MTughan> And no, it's not a fire alarm.

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03:17 <Tank_Master> lol

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03:45 <CoderForLife> ugh

03:58 <Tank_Master> ?

04:00 <CoderForLife> "ugh"

04:00 <CoderForLife> that's what you say when you can't endure any more and get out of bed

04:01 * CoderForLife checks the news

04:01 <CoderForLife> if the world ended overnight then I can go back to bed

04:03 <Tank_Master> lol

04:03 <Tank_Master> I should go to bed now to

04:04 <CoderForLife> http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/27/government-foils-skinhead-plot-assassinate-obama/

04:05 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5kouuw> (at elections.foxnews.com)

04:16 <Soul_keeper> those were HS kids joking around

04:17 <Soul_keeper> notice how they downplayed the "halloween display" of sarah palin being lynched

04:17 <CoderForLife> yes

04:17 <CoderForLife> just imagine if it were, say, Michelle

04:19 <CoderForLife> all of West Hollywood would be in flames

04:22 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

04:29 <Soul_keeper> yeah, michael savage raised the question "what if mccain's middle name was jesus?"

04:29 <Soul_keeper> obama's is hussein and we can't touch that ...

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06:38 <hawmps> 'lo

06:41 <hawmps> lol

06:41 <hawmps> &wx 12020

06:41 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 42.1F / 5.6C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Today - Rain. Highs in the mid 40s. North winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 50 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Rain or snow in the evening...then snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 (2 more messages)

06:41 <hawmps> &more

06:41 <Romulus> hawmps: inches. Blustery with lows in the mid 30s. West winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 50 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain showers. A chance of snow in the morning...then a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Cold with highs in the upper 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; (1 more message)

06:41 <hawmps> &more

06:41 <Romulus> hawmps: Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 8:00 AM EDT on October 29, 2008; Wind Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 8:00 AM EDT on October 29, 2008;

06:43 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

06:43 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 25.4F / -3.7C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.48in / 1032.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Not as cool. High in the lower 50s. West wind near 5 mph increasing to around 10 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Clear. Low around 30. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. High in the lower 60s. Southwest wind (1 more message)

06:43 <wdsmia> &more

06:43 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 5 mph.;

06:44 <hawmps> some areas could get 12-24" of snow now

06:46 <hawmps> &wx 12139

06:46 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 44F / 7C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.69in / 1005hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Rain or snow. Snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Highs in the upper 30s. North winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 55 mph this afternoon. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Snow. Additional snow accumulation of 4 (2 more messages)

06:47 <hawmps> &more

06:47 <Romulus> hawmps: to 8 inches. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 20 mph. Gusts up to 55 mph... decreasing to 35 mph after midnight. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Wednesday - Snow likely in the morning...then snow showers likely in the afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 8 to 16 inches possible. Cold with highs in the upper 20s. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow (1 more message)

06:47 <hawmps> &more

06:47 <Romulus> hawmps: 60 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Hamilton County in effect until 8:00 AM EDT on October 29, 2008;

06:47 <hawmps> not gonna be pretty

06:49 <zenstar> Areas of patchy fog early. Some clouds this morning will give way to generally sunny skies for the afternoon. High 77F. Winds SSW at 5 to 10 mph. :)

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07:15 <hawmps> "Ohio's Head of Job and Family Services Approved a Child-Support Search on Joe Wurzelbacher"

07:15 <hawmps> she should be arrested - then fired.

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08:45 <PovAdct_w> heh, Ubuntu 9.04 "Jaunty Jackalope"

08:49 <Tidus> LOL

08:50 <PovAdct_w> "Another goal is the the blurring of web services and desktop applications."

08:50 * PovAdct_w throws up

08:53 <hawmps> lol

08:53 <Tidus> cleanup on aisle 9.04!

08:53 <hawmps> no snow yet... but it's workin real hard at it...

08:56 <PovAdct_w> in line with my web app hate, I'll get off my arse and download a desktop IRC client on the w$%& machine

08:58 <Tidus> lol

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09:01 <PovAdct_w> there we go

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11:13 <hawmps> burrrrr..

11:13 <Tank_Master> cold tits?

11:13 <hawmps> temp going down now...

11:13 <Tank_Master> tiz 40f here

11:14 <PovAdct_w> &weather EZE

11:14 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: Temperature: 72°F / 22°C | Humidity: 53% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:73 F. / 23 C.; Clear. Low:48 (1 more message)

11:14 <hawmps> 43.5 -= and dropping - but the barometer is 29.31 and still falling

11:14 <hawmps> &weather USUK

11:14 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

11:15 <hawmps> guess not

11:15 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

11:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 40.6F / 4.8C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs around 65. Light wind. Near The Gorge...east wind 15 to 25 mph shifting to the southeast 5 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy...becoming mostly cloudy after (1 more message)

11:15 <Tank_Master> &more

11:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: midnight. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 40 to 45. Light wind.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog in the morning...becoming partly sunny during the afternoon. Highs around 60. Light wind.;

11:16 <Tank_Master> im seeing fog in the future

11:28 <MTughan> "Jaunty Jackalope"... I like it. :P

11:33 <Tank_Master> MT!

11:34 <hawmps> related to the "Horney Hare" ??

11:35 <PovAdct_w> wasn't it Horny Hedgehog

11:35 <PovAdct_w> ahh Hardy Heron...

11:54 <MTughan> I thought the other possibility was Hoary Hedgehog?

11:55 <PovAdct_w> s/ar/rn/

11:56 <MTughan> Ah... Hoary Hedgehog was 5.04. It's already been used.

11:57 <MTughan> Latest was Hardy Heron.

11:57 <MTughan> And GIMP 2.6... PovAdct_w: AMcBain won't like that. :P

12:18 <Tank_Master> :)

12:19 <MTughan> User in another channel was complaining about some of the changes in GIMP 2.6 a couple days ago. I haven't tried it out yet.

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12:56 <PovAdct_w> why

12:57 <Tank_Master> cus the button was there

13:01 <yoyo[RKN]> : moin

13:01 <yoyo[RKN]> again a render project

13:02 <Tank_Master> ?

13:02 <yoyo[RKN]> An instance of the BOINC-wide team 'Rechenkraft.net'

13:02 <yoyo[RKN]> has been created on the project:

13:02 <yoyo[RKN]> name: Open Rendering Environment

13:02 <yoyo[RKN]> URL: http://www.renderfarm.fi/

13:02 <Romulus> Title: Open Rendering Environment (ORE) (at www.renderfarm.fi)

13:04 <hawmps> this lat update of compiz-fusion was tricky..

13:05 <Tank_Master> heh

13:05 <hawmps> barometer: 29.15

13:05 <Tank_Master> Database Error

13:05 <Tank_Master> Couldn't create account

13:05 <Tank_Master> dang

13:05 <yoyo[RKN]> maybe therfore I can't attach with boinc

13:06 <Tank_Master> I tried creating an acocunt with the create account page

13:06 <yoyo[RKN]> my account was already created by automatic team import

13:07 <Tank_Master> ahh

13:07 <Tank_Master> coo

13:08 <Tank_Master> I wonder what PovAdct_w has to say about the name...

13:08 <PovAdct_w> yoyo:

13:08 <PovAdct_w> !

13:08 <yoyo[RKN]> ?

13:08 <DerMeister> Doesn't look like this project is really up yet: http://www.renderfarm.fi/server_status.php

13:09 <Romulus> Title: Server status | Open Rendering Environment (ORE) (at www.renderfarm.fi)

13:09 <PovAdct_w> forum open

13:10 <PovAdct_w> Janus posted there

13:10 <Tank_Master> sweet, at least my team has an account

13:11 <Tank_Master> http://renderfarm.fi/team_display.php?teamid=1

13:11 <Romulus> Title: team display | Open Rendering Environment (ORE) (at renderfarm.fi)

13:11 <Tank_Master> (Love how my team is always the first created)

13:13 <wdsmia_w> Its the only time it will be in first place :P

13:13 <Tank_Master> LOL

13:13 <Tank_Master> itll still have the URL of 1

13:14 <Tank_Master> err teamID of 1

13:14 <wdsmia_w> that and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee

13:14 <Tank_Master> sweet!

13:15 <PovAdct_w> they have a totally custom login system

13:17 <Tank_Master> yeah they do

13:17 <Tank_Master> seems as though the forums are seperate of the project

13:17 <Tank_Master> The username contains an illegal character. ?!?

13:18 <Tank_Master> wont take []

13:18 <PovAdct_w> not really... the forums and the project share login

13:18 <PovAdct_w> but not using BOINC's normal login system

13:18 <PovAdct_w> try to post to the forum

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13:19 <Tank_Master> sorry, unreconized login name

13:20 <PovAdct_w> from there you can click create account

13:21 <Tank_Master> I cant log in

13:22 <PovAdct_w> ...because you don't have an account

13:22 <Tank_Master> I created one

13:22 <Tank_Master> how do I get the pw for it?

13:22 <PovAdct_w> it sent you an email with the pw

13:22 <PovAdct_w> you use that randomly-generated pw and it asks you to set another

13:22 <Tank_Master> I got no e-mail

13:24 <Tank_Master> how long should it take?

13:24 <PovAdct_w> took 2 seconds for me

13:24 <Tank_Master> odd

13:24 <Tank_Master> wonder if hotmail is blocking it?

13:24 <Tank_Master> I dont see it in the junk

13:24 <PovAdct_w> lol hotmail

13:25 <Tank_Master> I cant use a different e-mail either

13:25 <Tank_Master> "name is already taken

13:25 <PovAdct_w> well I created an account

13:26 <Tank_Master> what what service?

13:26 <Tank_Master> with*

13:26 <PovAdct_w> now when I try to post it says "user table is full" and starts an infinite redirect loop

13:26 <Tank_Master> lol

13:26 <PovAdct_w> I can still see my account and stuff

13:26 <Tank_Master> they defently are not ready for primtime

13:37 <PovAdct_w> broken as hell

13:38 <PovAdct_w> I want to wait for home.php to work so I try a security bug I found

13:38 <PovAdct_w> and change everybody's nicknames :)

13:40 <Tank_Master> lol

13:40 <Tank_Master> rebel hacker

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13:44 <Tank_Master> finally got the e-mail

13:45 <Tank_Master> boy does hotmail not like hte message

13:47 <Tank_Master> and the PW they gave me dosent work!

13:48 <Tank_Master> heh

13:48 <Tank_Master> the "one time link" directed me to the wrong account?

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14:01 <Tank_Master> LOL

14:01 <Tank_Master> Im in the admin's account!!!

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14:01 <Tank_Master> [B^S]renemayer!

14:02 <Tank_Master> guess what?

14:02 <[B^S]renemayer> obamas in guantanamo?

14:02 <[B^S]renemayer> ,-)

14:02 <Tank_Master> we wish

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14:02 <Tank_Master> no, theres a new project thats really messed up

14:03 <Tank_Master> I tryed creating an account

14:03 <Tank_Master> but the PW they sent didnt work

14:03 <Tank_Master> so I tryied the one time direct link to log in and change the PW, right?

14:03 <Tank_Master> well, it loged me into the project admin's account!!!

14:03 <zombie67> hah!

14:03 <zombie67> what project?

14:03 <Romulus> Somebody said what project are we talking about, zombie67

14:04 <[B^S]renemayer> lol, write urself a msg then ,-)

14:04 <Tank_Master> http://renderfarm.fi

14:04 <Romulus> Title: Open Rendering Environment (ORE) (at renderfarm.fi)

14:04 <Tank_Master> I did

14:04 <Tank_Master> wonder if I can PM myself

14:04 <Tank_Master> probably can

14:04 <zombie67> boinc project?

14:05 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:05 <Tank_Master> youll have to manually add in the URLs

14:05 <Tank_Master> but they do work

14:05 <Tank_Master> though you cant create a BOINC account

14:05 <Tank_Master> "cant access DB"

14:07 <[B^S]renemayer> id rather stick with projects i know, wont be lonk, and the will be a boinc botnet.

14:08 <[B^S]renemayer> long

14:08 <Tank_Master> that wouldnt supprise me, [B^S]renemayer

14:09 <[B^S]renemayer> you've just proven to be likely.

14:11 <Tank_Master> or lucky?

14:14 <[B^S]renemayer> well see, register on hp or in boinc?

14:15 <Tank_Master> cant set up a BOINC account either place

14:15 <Tank_Master> I did the home page, yoyo[RKN] did the manager

14:16 <Tank_Master> only people who have an account are the ones imported fromt he BOINC-wide thing

14:17 <zombie67> i have a global account, but can't log in

14:17 <Tank_Master> only team founders have an account

14:19 <zombie67> I have a team created too

14:20 <Tank_Master> ahh

14:20 <Tank_Master> just a dummy team?

14:21 <zombie67> yeah

14:23 <Tank_Master> ahh, good thinkin

14:23 <Tank_Master> so you get notifications of new projects?

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14:33 <zombie67> never happened yet

14:35 <Tank_Master> huh

14:59 <hawmps> "Judge rules Ohio homeless voters may list park benches as addresses"

14:59 <hawmps> boy are they desperate...

14:59 <hawmps> http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101

14:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6pbzxy> (at dispatch.com)

15:05 <yoyo[RKN]> to compile a boinc app on windows I can use Visual C++ Express, which is a free version?

15:07 <Tank_Master> cant hurt to try...

15:18 <DerMeister> yoyo[RKN]: yes, it should work

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> what does this mean in trac:

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> ... Warning: you cannot use more recent versions of the SDK (which do not include glaux).

15:29 <yoyo[RKN]> what is "glaux"

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16:00 <xcamel> check the cameras..

16:00 <Tank_Master> ?

16:01 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/

16:01 <Tank_Master> perty

16:01 <Tank_Master> wish we had snow

16:01 <xcamel> getting slick already..

16:02 <Tank_Master> fun times!

16:02 <Tank_Master> school would be close here with that much snow

16:02 <xcamel> dow +900 today..

16:03 <Tank_Master> SWEET!

16:03 <Tank_Master> defently good times

16:03 <xcamel> this is insane..

16:03 <Tank_Master> whats oil down to?

16:08 <xcamel> 63.28 / 60.45

16:09 <Tank_Master> much better :D

16:13 <xcamel> nobody believes me, but I think the bottom is $36

16:14 <Soul_keeper> they are cutting production

16:15 <xcamel> not going top help "them" - CA and MX still going full bore

16:16 <Tank_Master> :)

16:16 <xcamel> ie: the "$700 billion lie"

16:30 <CoderForLife> snowing at lledgerock

16:31 <CoderForLife> back after din-din

16:33 <xcamel> bigtime..

16:33 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: glaux is related to OpenGL

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> so I need it for the graphics_app?

16:34 <PovAddict> maybe, maybe not...

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16:49 <xcamel> traffic is coming to a standstill...

16:51 <xcamel> many darwin related crashes...

16:52 <DerMeister> hehe

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17:07 <xcamel> this is on top of 3/4" of rain from this morning

17:18 <CoderForLife> I see no traffic moving at all  =)

17:18 <PovAddict> not moving :)

17:18 <CoderForLife> the llama llanes are empty

17:19 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:19 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

17:19 <CoderForLife> the radon guy just re-visited

17:19 <wdsmia> hello Don

17:20 <CoderForLife> we were making sure of clearances behind one of the computer racks in the data center for installation of the mitigation system

17:21 <CoderForLife> danged glaciers dumped their load of uranium under my house, apparently

17:21 <wdsmia> lol my data center is my radon mitigation system

17:22 <CoderForLife> your outside exhaust?

17:22 <wdsmia> yep

17:22 <CoderForLife> I can understand that

17:23 <CoderForLife> you have radon problems there?

17:23 <CoderForLife> I know, not with your DC

17:23 <wdsmia> some but not bad

17:24 <CoderForLife> avg indoor radon levels in my county is 4.3 pCi/L

17:25 <CoderForLife> EPA action level is 4

17:25 <CoderForLife> mine has been averaging about 3 to 3.2 over the last year

17:26 <CoderForLife> it jumped to 10.4 on the 10th, confirmed when I got back on the 17th

17:26 <CoderForLife> it's 7.8 currently

17:26 <wdsmia> The Iowa Department of public health reports that 7 out of 10 homes in Iowa show elevated levels of radon, above the "action level" of 4 picocuries per liter (pCi/L).

17:27 <CoderForLife> yup like here

17:27 <CoderForLife> and we are in the highest level area of the county

17:28 <CoderForLife> $770 is supposed to fix that

17:28 <CoderForLife> $70 is electrical work

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17:29 <wdsmia> computer fans and $20 of duct works just as well

17:29 <CoderForLife> here's the guy that's going to do it  http://www.radonspecialties.com/

17:30 <Romulus> Title: Radon Specialties Co., Inc. - Home Page! (at www.radonspecialties.com)

17:30 <CoderForLife> his price is right in line with everyone else I checked

17:32 <CoderForLife> need to get this done for peace of mind

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17:33 <PovAddict> radon is radioactive?

17:33 <CoderForLife> yes

17:33 <PovAddict> can't you generate electricity? :)

17:33 <CoderForLife> if I collect enough in the right configuration to boil water, yes =)

17:33 <PovAddict> :)

17:34 <Tank_Master> sweet!

17:34 <CoderForLife> this is just enough to merely cause lung cancer

17:34 <Tank_Master> ahh

17:34 <CoderForLife> un-sweet

17:34 <Tank_Master> you should get more than

17:34 <CoderForLife> more than - you?

17:34 <Tank_Master> have your own reactor

17:34 * wdsmia is working on a idea to convert his fireplace to work on water (HHO)

17:35 <CoderForLife> Large H2O Collider

17:35 <Tank_Master> :D

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17:40 <xcamel> splitzski

17:40 <MTughan> Moderately large one...

17:41 <CoderForLife> ow ow ow

17:41 <CoderForLife> anybody there?

17:42 <PovAddict> boo

17:42 <CoderForLife> boo too yoo too

17:42 <CoderForLife> megasplit

17:43 <PovAddict> [19:43] <PovAddict> that was a biggie split

17:43 <PovAddict> [19:44] <sheep34523> like a banana

17:43 <CoderForLife> heh

17:44 <PovAddict> seen in a forum sig: "Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana."

17:44 <CoderForLife> ah, the wisdom of the ages

17:45 <PovAddict> <dogmeat> stock market gained nearly 900 pts today, and i gained nearly 10lbs from lov'n tasty foods

17:45 <PovAddict> interesting comparison

17:45 <MTughan> Seen on E@H: "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short." - Blaise Pascal

17:45 <PovAddict> and the time to write that?

17:46 <MTughan> :P

17:46 <CoderForLife> ROFL  I'll believe this if I ever see it  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27420733/

17:46 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft: Next Windows won't be as annoying - Technology & science- msnbc.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)

17:46 <MTughan> Blaise Pascal was a mathematician.

17:46 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: and right along with that they say Windows 7 internal version number will be 6.1

17:47 <PovAddict> confuuuuuuusing

17:47 <PovAddict> "The world's largest software maker also is making Word, Excel and other key elements of Office — its flagship "productivity" programs — able to run in a Web browser."

17:47 <PovAddict> *throws up, again*

17:47 <CoderForLife> I learned early in my career that version number are totally a marketing decision

17:48 <CoderForLife> dBase II was named that to make it sell better

17:48 <PovAddict> they're making it "7" for marketing reasons and "6.1" for compatibility reasons

17:48 <CoderForLife> there never was a dBase I

17:48 <CoderForLife> it was called Vulcan

17:48 <PovAddict> there was never a BOINC 1.0 either

17:48 <MTughan> They avoid bad puns using 7 than if they had named it Windows 6. Windows Sex anyone?

17:49 <PovAddict> MTughan: also, Vista is 6.0 internally...

17:49 <MTughan> Yeah, but it's not known as Windows 6, even though it is NT v6.

17:49 <PovAddict> Windows 666

17:49 <MTughan> However, I have to be off to class...

17:49 <CoderForLife> when I worked for a software company, we went from version 4 to version 7 because a competitor went from version 5 to version 6

17:49 <PovAddict> BOINC started at version 2

17:50 <PovAddict> because it was SETI II

17:53 <CoderForLife> I live in a state that has lost it's way  http://dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/10/28/ajudgerule.html?sid=101

17:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6pbzxy> (at dispatch.com)

17:56 <Tank_Master> whats wrong with the homless voting?

17:56 <Tank_Master> (as long as they are legal citizens)

17:58 <DerMeister> nothing... but specifying a bench in the park as address is somewhat strange ^^

17:59 <PovAddict> Address: None (nomad)

18:02 <xcamel> that's how desperate the obamanation has gotten..

18:03 <CoderForLife> they could move the bench between precincts and voting multiple times

18:03 <CoderForLife> er vote*

18:04 <xcamel> pov - is your fix going to get released in my lifetime?

18:05 <CoderForLife> living in a shopping cart would make it easier

18:05 <PovAddict> I think it's in the last version Rom released

18:05 <PovAddict> .19

18:05 <CoderForLife> that depends on where you fall in the actuarial tables, xcamel

18:05 <PovAddict> yep it is

18:05 <xcamel> cfl - FR is adding a digg function - not sure how I feel about that just yet, but I do have a digg account

18:06 <PovAddict> FR?

18:06 <Romulus> Rumor has it FR is getting crushed, PovAddict

18:06 <CoderForLife> like pings?

18:06 <xcamel> *nix .19

18:06 <xcamel> n/m pov

18:07 <PovAddict> yes, .19 is out for Windows and Linux (surprisingly, for Linux 64-bit too... hadn't been updated in a while)

18:07 <PovAddict> was about time @ 64-bit

18:07 <CoderForLife> no surprise  http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/obama-affinity-marxists-dates-college-days/

18:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6bwne7> (at elections.foxnews.com)

18:07 <xcamel> needs the 32 bit nix with graphics...

18:07 <xcamel> digg.com

18:08 <xcamel> expands the number of eyeballs that can see FR postings

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18:22 <CoderForLife> I'm off to look at some other things on the tablet PC in front of the TV

18:22 <CoderForLife> cya folks back here soon

18:23 <CoderForLife> gn

18:23 <PovAddict> gn

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19:00 <xcamel> chicken based chili kinda left a mark..

19:01 <xcamel> **BEEEEELLLLLLCCCCCCHHHHH!!!!**

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19:45 <PovAddict> &web title http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pfQYJiLLH0k

19:45 <Romulus> PovAddict: YouTube - How to make Popcorn in LMMS

19:45 <KathrynM> PovAddict, http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com/

19:45 <Romulus> Title: The Chronicles of George (at chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com)

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19:48 * efc3 is glad he isn't the reference site

19:53 <xcamel> yea.. .19 seems to work..

19:54 <xcamel> lookin good!

19:54 <xcamel> exit

19:54 <xcamel> oops..

19:58 <xcamel> rhut-rhoo

19:58 <xcamel> looks like boincmgr is pulling tons of cpu cycles

19:58 <PovAddict> haha

19:58 <xcamel> really shouldn't be pulling any...

19:59 <KathrynM> I thought you'd enjoy that PovAddict

19:59 <xcamel> not..

19:59 <xcamel> geeeezzz 66.5%

19:59 <Tank_Master> KM!

19:59 <PovAddict> wHAT

19:59 <xcamel> why?

19:59 <PovAddict> 66%?!

19:59 <xcamel> uh-huh

20:00 <Tank_Master> is .19 safe to upgrade to?

20:00 <Tank_Master> at least for win x64?

20:00 <xcamel> 26-27% user

20:00 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: depends "from" which version you're upgrading

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20:00 <Tank_Master> .14

20:00 <PovAddict> I'd say yes

20:00 <Tank_Master> 6.3.14

20:00 <xcamel> that's just wrong..

20:00 <Tank_Master> ok

20:01 <xcamel> never pulled more than 2% before - and not 'real' priority either

20:01 <PovAddict> hmm

20:01 <PovAddict> how many tasks do you have?

20:01 <xcamel> 273

20:02 <xcamel> oh.. boinc tasks?

20:02 <PovAddict> yes, workunits

20:02 <xcamel> a sh*tload

20:02 <PovAddict> the more items on the list, the worse it gets :)

20:03 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --get_results  | grep project | wc -l

20:04 <xcamel> that needs to be fixed..

20:04 <xcamel> now it has settled down..

20:05 <xcamel> back to 4%

20:05 <PovAddict> wtf

20:05 <PovAddict> did you change tabs or anything?

20:05 <xcamel> guess it was just getting situated

20:05 <xcamel> but it back in the systray

20:06 <xcamel> oops.. back to system hog mode

20:07 <xcamel> now not..

20:07 <xcamel> now yes

20:07 <PovAddict> I *knew* Charlie's mess would cause problems, but didn't expect *that*!

20:08 <xcamel> very strange..

20:08 <xcamel> we'll let it go for a while..

20:08 <PovAddict> run "./boinccmd --get_results | grep project | wc -l" on BOINC dir, it will say how many WUs you have

20:09 * efc3 just noticed he's out of work

20:09 <Tank_Master> doh!

20:09 <efc3> err nevermind, wrong tab

20:09 <MTughan> lol

20:09 <efc3> tons of work, just can't get any more

20:12 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:12 <efc3> its cold enough to start firing up the space heaters again

20:13 <xcamel> 34 tasks

20:13 <xcamel> exit

20:13 * xcamel slaps self again

20:13 <PovAddict> 34 tasks shouldn't be nearly enough to cause so much CPU usage

20:13 <MTughan> efc3: You're saying? It's snowing here!

20:15 <xcamel> shoulda...woulda...coulda...

20:15 <Tank_Master> wheres my snow!!!???

20:16 <MTughan> In Canada. :P

20:16 <xcamel> plenty of it here..

20:16 <MTughan> I'm still in shorts and a t-shirt here.

20:16 <PovAddict> xcamel: *this* is what I'd call a sh*tload of tasks: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/attachment/ticket/347/boinc&boincmgrcpuhog.JPG

20:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5slod9> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

20:16 <efc3> &weather 31088

20:16 <Romulus> efc3: Temperature: 43F / 6C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Areas of frost after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. West winds 10 to 20 mph.; Wednesday Night - Clear. Lows in the upper 30s. Light and variable winds.; Freeze (1 more message)

20:17 <PovAddict> look at the size of the scrollbar

20:18 <PovAddict> I confirm boincmgr eating all the CPU

20:18 <PovAddict> (running 6.3.18 BOINC manager, connected to synecdoche client)

20:18 <xcamel> so my cache is down a bit... what's your point

20:18 <PovAddict> this needs more investigation

20:19 <efc3> serves 'em right for running vista

20:19 <PovAddict> xcamel: I mean I'd expect insane CPU usage with the insane number of tasks in that screenshot

20:19 <PovAddict> but with 34 tasks it shouldn't be high at all

20:19 <xcamel> welcome to linux world..

20:19 <PovAddict> also, I ran it myself, can confirm the problem... strange behavior...

20:20 <xcamel> I could try the 6.2 mgr and the 6.3 client...

20:20 <PovAddict> I'll download 6.3 with debugging symbols

20:20 <PovAddict> (I can't be bothered to compile from source *again*)

20:21 <PovAddict> slow speed again

20:22 <xcamel> that works..

20:22 <xcamel> no cpu used...

20:22 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Starting BOINC client version 6.3.19 for i686-pc-linux-gnu

20:22 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||This a development version of BOINC and may not function properly

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Libraries: libcurl/7.18.0 OpenSSL/0.9.8g zlib/1.2.3 c-ares/1.5.1

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Data directory: /misc/BOINC

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 248 [Family 15 Model 5 Stepping 8]

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 syscall nx mmxext lm 3dnowext 3dnow ts ttp

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||OS: Linux: 2.6.23.15-80.fc7

20:23 <PovAddict> getting pasted at one line per second or slower...

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Memory: 1.98 GB physical, 1.94 GB virtual

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Disk: 146.93 GB total, 129.53 GB free

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Local time is UTC -4 hours

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||Not using a proxy

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||No CUDA devices found

20:23 <xcamel> Tue 28 Oct 2008 08:21:49 PM EDT||No coprocessors

20:23 <xcamel> hmm.. flood

20:24 <xcamel> 6.2.14 mgr, 6.3.19 client

20:24 <xcamel> seems to work together just fine

20:25 <PovAddict> just started it, has been using all CPU for half a minute now

20:26 <PovAddict> time to run it under valgrind... (will take forever just to startup)

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20:30 <KathrynM> hmmm  only 10 minutes till w&@^

20:30 <KathrynM> guess that's not enough time to try to test boinc

20:32 <xcamel> 0.5% useage

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20:38 <PovAddict> aargh

20:38 <PovAddict> heisenbug

20:38 <PovAddict> eats CPU like mad *unless* I run it under a debugger to try seeing why

20:43 <Tank_Master> LOL

20:44 <Tank_Master> figures, eh?

20:44 <PovAddict> I might have found it...

20:44 <PovAddict> to debug further I'd have to compile from source and do some code changes

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20:50 <PovAddict> but dinner is first

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21:22 <nickuwo> Tank_Master: u there?

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21:24 <MTughan> 'lo nick

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21:28 <BadBarbarian> Lo' everyone

21:29 <xcamel> 'lo BB

21:29 <BadBarbarian> hi X

21:29 <PovAddict> time to get debugging...

21:30 <PovAddict> argh! again I forgot to turn off optimizations

21:30 <xcamel> 3" of snow so far...

21:31 <BadBarbarian> wow early snow huh

21:31 <MTughan> We're not quite there yet. Maybe tomorrow.

21:31 <nickuwo> hey MT, what's up?

21:31 <MTughan> Snow. :)

21:31 <nickuwo> yikes...

21:34 <xcamel> yupper.. big storm..

21:34 <MTughan> xcamel: Where are you?

21:34 <xcamel> some areas getting over a foot

21:34 <nickuwo> heading away from wisconsin I hope - it was spose to get to 60 on thur :)

21:35 <xcamel> forget your memory pills?

21:35 <MTughan> Who, me? I honestly don't know that I've ever known.

21:36 <MTughan> Well, the lightning watcher on your homepage works...

21:36 <MTughan> We're getting hit by the same storm. You got hit, now it's going past us.

21:36 <nickuwo> xcamel: perplexing thing those memory pills are - in order to remember to take them, you have to *take them*. very curious...

21:36 <MTughan> Ah, the chicken and egg problem... Gets interesting at times.

21:37 <PovAddict> doesn't that happen with glasses?

21:37 <nickuwo> good call Pov

21:37 <PovAddict> need to put on your glasses before searching where in the house you left your glasses

21:38 <xcamel> Good old upstate NY

21:38 <MTughan> I have an example... Need a new kernel to enable network drivers to download a new kernel.

21:38 <nickuwo> need to take memory pills to remember where your glasses are, but you need your glasses to find your memory pills :)

21:38 <MTughan> There, the problem is solved by downloading it on another machine and using USB to transfer it, but still got annoying.

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21:38 <MTughan> xcamel: http://www.theweathernetwork.com/index.php?product=satradarmaps&pagecontent=satradarmaps&map_strd=on&genre_strd=satrad&idx_strd=12

21:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2e7goe> (at www.theweathernet!@#&.com)

21:38 <xcamel> Occam's razor?

21:39 <nickuwo> how would you apply that here?

21:40 * wdsmia is nice and warm just had a large plate of habanero fajitas

21:40 <MTughan> Nice... Sounds tasty.

21:40 * nickuwo needs to get back to his thesis

21:40 <nickuwo> peace!

21:40 <wdsmia> they were good

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21:41 <xcamel> had pollo chilli - still feeling it..

21:42 * MTughan needs to get off his @$$ at some point and do his laundry...

21:42 <MTughan> But I'm lazy and talking on IRC.

21:44 <wdsmia> lazy and talking on IRC I resemble that remark

21:45 * efc wonders why s@h status always says Up and reality usually says Down

21:45 <PovAddict> that status page shouldn't be cached server-side

21:45 <PovAddict> for s@h

21:45 <PovAddict> since its status changes *so* often

21:48 <efc> You mean its up occasionally?

21:48 <PovAddict> yes

21:48 <xcamel> the barometer has finally started to go back up...

21:48 <efc> That must be a sight to see

21:48 <PovAddict> and the status page often gets generated during the split-second that it's up

21:48 <xcamel> holding at 33° F

21:50 <MTughan> We have a winter storm warning here now, and have hit 0C/32F.

21:50 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 36.2F / 2.3C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Low in the lower 30s. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. High in the upper 50s. West wind near 5 mph shifting to the north in the afternoon.; Wednesday Night - Clear. Low in the upper 30s. South wind 5 (1 more message)

21:50 <wdsmia> &more

21:50 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 10 mph.;

21:50 <MTughan> Up to 15cm in some areas.

21:50 <MTughan> &math convert 15 cm to in

21:50 <Romulus> MTughan: 5.90551181102

21:51 <PovAddict> I compiled 6.3.19 from source

21:51 <PovAddict> doesn't work at all

21:52 <PovAddict> the manager hangs on startup and never starts responding

21:54 <MTughan> Mailing list was fast that time... I read your email right after your IRC comment.

21:54 <PovAddict> I posted a few minutes ago :)

21:54 <MTughan> I think it checks every 15. Not going to confirm though, not important.

21:59 <xcamel> laterz..

21:59 <MTughan> Seeya.

21:59 <KathrynM> heisenbug  :-)

22:00 <MTughan> xcamel is a heisenbug? Interesting theory... xD

22:01 <KathrynM> Went to w(@& and taught two classes.  Found out my next one was cancelled, then I have a break and the next class is canceled too.  Why did I even get up this morning?

22:04 <MTughan> KathrynM: You just love the kids!

22:04 <KathrynM> Oh yeah.

22:04 <MTughan> lol

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22:16 <PovAddict> oh just search it in wikipedia

22:17 <PovAddict> KathrynM: that reminds me of the magic school bus

22:17 <Tank_Master> nickow, missed him

22:18 <PovAddict> "I knew I should have stayed home today"

22:18 <KathrynM> lol

22:18 <PovAddict> "A heisenbug (named after the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle) is a computer bug that disappears or alters its characteristics when an attempt is made to study it."

22:19 <KathrynM> I figured that much out :)

22:19 <KathrynM> I thought it was cute

22:19 * KathrynM is a geek

22:20 <PovAddict> "A mandelbug (named after fractal innovator Benoît Mandelbrot) is a computer bug whose causes are so complex that its behavior appears chaotic."

22:20 <KathrynM> doesn't that basically describe all of BOINC

22:20 <PovAddict> "A schroedinbug is a bug that manifests only after someone reading source code or using the program in an unusual way notices that it never should have worked in the first place, at which point the program promptly stops working for everybody until fixed."

22:21 <PovAddict> (I'm sure some Murphy law is involved in that one)

22:21 <KathrynM> lol

22:22 <Tank_Master> KathrynM is a godess

22:22 <Tank_Master> a geek godess

22:23 <PovAddict> well...

22:23 <PovAddict> she's a female geek

22:23 <Tank_Master> lol

22:23 <PovAddict> she has dealt with young kids for years and still hasn't killed any

22:23 <Tank_Master> way to downgrade, no brownie points for you!

22:23 <PovAddict> I guess those are enough reasons to bow

22:25 <KathrynM> lol

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22:33 * PovAddict has a look at renderfarm.fi

22:33 <PovAddict> let's see what else they broke

22:35 <PovAddict> heh

22:35 <PovAddict> their custom login system (connected to drupal) is completely broken as  Tank_Master has discovered :)

22:35 <Tank_Master> lol

22:35 <Tank_Master> yeah

22:35 <Tank_Master> I loged in as admin

22:36 <Tank_Master> so did others

22:36 <Tank_Master> fish changed the pw

22:36 <PovAddict> fish?

22:36 <Romulus> fish is one of my team's best, and also the founder, PovAddict

22:36 <PovAddict> oic

22:37 <Tank_Master> right...

22:37 <Tank_Master> fish is a former member of my team, now is on starfire

22:37 <Tank_Master> dont think he has been here

22:48 <efc> alarming Frontline

22:48 <Tank_Master> ?

22:48 <PovAddict> ffs

22:48 <Tank_Master> whats SETI@BOINC watch?

22:48 <PovAddict> official binaries eat a CPU

22:49 <PovAddict> my self-compiled boincmgr from the same SVN revision doesn't

22:49 <PovAddict> (and it takes over three minutes to recompile)

22:53 <Tank_Master> coo...

22:53 <Tank_Master> "Windows Server 2008 R2 is the first Windows OS platform to go 64-bit only"

22:53 <Tank_Master> death to 32bit!

22:54 <PovAddict> and Windows 95 is the first Windows to go 32-bit

22:54 <Tank_Master> no

22:54 <Tank_Master> NT3.something was

22:54 <PovAddict> NT3.5 was before Win95?

22:54 <Tank_Master> yeah

22:55 <Tank_Master> and I didnt think 95 was fully 32bit

22:55 <PovAddict> well no, it still uses DOS for many things

22:55 <Tank_Master> but that was to long ago to remember

22:56 <Tank_Master> me was the first of that series to not allow 16bit drivers

22:56 <Tank_Master> which led to a lot of the problems, for driver manufactures were laze and still stuck in 16bit code, those causing me to crash

22:56 <PovAddict> the same is happening now

22:56 <Tank_Master> yeah

22:57 <PovAddict> with manufacturers too lazy to make 64-bit drivers

22:57 <Tank_Master> lazzy @$$ people

22:57 <Tank_Master> marketing get in the way "hey, if the drivers donr work, they need to buy a new product and MS gets blamed for the incompatibility!

22:58 <Tank_Master> so they drag heir feet

23:00 <MTughan> Yay, wireless works with F10 beta! :D

23:01 <MTughan> But I lost the graphics drivers. :(

23:01 <Tank_Master> lol

23:01 <Tank_Master> one step forward...

23:01 <MTughan> 1152x864 isn't pretty on a 1440x900 widescreen display.

23:01 <Tank_Master> no, I would think not

23:06 <MTughan> PovAddict: Any idea what the variable "version" is supposed to contain?

23:07 <MTughan> On a shell.

23:07 <PovAddict> shell's version?

23:07 <PovAddict> I get 1.22.3

23:07 <PovAddict> and yep that's the shell version

23:07 <MTughan> No, ${version}.

23:07 <PovAddict> yes

23:08 <PovAddict> echo $version

23:08 <PovAddict> 1.22.3

23:08 <PovAddict> fish --version

23:08 <PovAddict> fish, version 1.22.3

23:08 <PovAddict> I can't get the damned boincmgr to fail in the way the official binaries fail

23:08 <MTughan> Hmm... Looking through a script in the ATI driver install, seems to be failing because of ${version}. It's blank on both F10's bash and OS X.

23:09 <PovAddict> well high chance the script is using that variable for its own uses

23:09 <PovAddict> most shell- or environment-defined variables are uppercase

23:09 <MTughan> But it's not defined anywhere, that's why I asked.

23:10 <MTughan> Unless it's defined by a previous script. Damned if I'm going to look through them.

23:11 <PovAddict> I've done enough tests to be sure:

23:11 <PovAddict> the manager from official binaries eat CPU, my self-compiled manager doesn't

23:11 <PovAddict> it could be because of the wxWidgets version

23:11 <PovAddict> I'm not about to compile wxWidgets 2.4 from source...

23:12 <Tidus> MTughan: whats up?

23:13 <PovAddict> sleep ->

23:13 <Tidus> lol

23:13 <PovAddict> I don't want to go to w$%& tomorrow :(

23:13 <Tidus> i feel ya there man

23:14 <PovAddict> this boinc bug being one of the reasons

23:14 <PovAddict> I won't be able to do any more experiments until the afternoon when I'm back from w$%&

23:15 <PovAddict> rly gone ->

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23:21 <Tank_Master> c-ya PovAddict

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