00:04 <Romulus> Title: anti-telemarketing EGBG counterscript (at www.xs4all.nl)
00:05 <Tank_Master> &cad
00:05 <MTughan> XKCD has been delayed.
00:07 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Wow, that counterscript is quite detailed... Someone's thought it out.
00:07 <MTughan> Although I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. :P
00:07 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:07 <Tank_Master> probably someone who makes up the crap in the first place
00:08 <MTughan> Or has heard from enough telemarketers to write their own script.
00:08 <MTughan> Wow... ~450 updates to the Linux version I just downloaded.
00:09 <MTughan> TM: Are you able to get to E@H's site, or is it just my connection?
00:10 <Tank_Master> no
00:10 <Tank_Master> http error
00:10 <MTughan> Okay. FF is just hanging on the page.
00:13 <Tank_Master> in the boinc mamnger I got the http error message
00:13 <MTughan> That's what I figured. Either way, means it's down.
00:14 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:14 <Tank_Master> they have been having probs lately
00:14 <MTughan> And I just refreshed another E@H page without thinking, lost the cache. *slaps head*
00:14 <Tank_Master> doh!
00:14 <Tank_Master> I hate it when I do that
00:14 <MTughan> Yeah, with the spam accounts. I've been reading the forums and mailing list.
00:15 <Tank_Master> ?
00:15 <MTughan> There were large numbers of spam accounts being created. Daily number of new accts jumped from a couple hundred to 10,000.
00:16 <MTughan> Bernd reported it on the mailing list, that they were still being created despite captchas and other measures. He also found a bug in the server code.
00:16 <Tank_Master> ahh, so thats why E@H is having probs?
00:17 <MTughan> That's why it's been slow and had some probs, yes. Dunno if this is the same thing.
00:19 <Tank_Master> protines is dead, right?
00:19 <MTughan> I've never crunched Proteins@Home.
00:20 <Tank_Master> yeah, looks like it
00:21 <MTughan> How many comps do you have TM?
00:21 <MTughan> And what's your RAC like?
00:22 <Tank_Master> 2 quads and some lowlife comps
00:22 <Tank_Master> last I looked, RAC was about 13K I think
00:22 <Tank_Master> u?
00:22 <MTughan> Wow... I can barely hit 1500 RAC with two duals.
00:22 <Tank_Master> 64bit helps
00:23 <Tank_Master> as does the geforce 8800
00:23 <MTughan> Yeah. That's why I've been trying to get Linux working with wireless on the laptop, because I can use 64-bit compared to XP.
00:23 <Tank_Master> I use server 2008 x64
00:23 <MTughan> What are some good 64-bit projects? I know ABC is, E@H is 32-bit ATM. Others?
00:24 <Tank_Master> one of primgrid's is just as good as ABC
00:24 <Tank_Master> ABC is probably the bext knoen
00:24 <Tank_Master> best*
00:24 <MTughan> KB troubles again?
00:24 <Tank_Master> always
00:25 <Tank_Master> some projects still dont reconise win64
00:25 <Tank_Master> but those are few
00:25 <MTughan> Looks like the sieves on PG are 64-bit.
00:25 <MTughan> Older projects, right?
00:25 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:25 <Tank_Master> I helped test the sieve app for RS
00:26 <Tank_Master> VTU and SZTARI or whatever so far I noticed dont
00:26 <MTughan> But RS ain't available ATM. They're still waiting for Lee to upload stuff... As you probably know.
00:26 <Tank_Master> yeah
00:26 <Tank_Master> I do
00:26 <Tank_Master> I still helped test the app :D
00:26 <MTughan> Holy crap, this fan is dirty...
00:26 <Tank_Master> time to blow the dust out?
00:27 <MTughan> External fan. Not a computer fan. But yes.
00:28 <MTughan> Starting to run low on compressed air... I'll need to pick some up next time I'm home.
00:28 <MTughan> Anyway, any more good 64-bit projects?
00:30 <MTughan> Tank_Master: How's SIMAP?
00:30 <Tank_Master> ok credits, but 32bit
00:30 <Tank_Master> AI is 64bit
00:30 <Tank_Master> no wait n/m
00:30 <Tank_Master> it runs 32bit on 64bit
00:31 <MTughan> No, it's not. Not according to the apps page.
00:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, ABC and PG are about it
00:31 <MTughan> Reason I asked about SIMAP is that there are 64-bit versions listed on their apps page.
00:31 <Tank_Master> for 64bit win
00:31 <MTughan> And Linux.
00:31 <Tank_Master> chess
00:32 <Tank_Master> cosmoligy
00:32 <Tank_Master> leiden clasical
00:32 <MTughan> Is Chess still running?
00:32 <Tank_Master> malaria
00:32 <Tank_Master> dunno
00:32 <Tank_Master> dunno od nquees is either
00:32 <Tank_Master> if*
00:33 <Tank_Master> SAH-1
00:33 <Tank_Master> simap
00:33 <MTughan> According to Chess's status page, 51 WUs are in progress, 0 ready to send.
00:33 <Tank_Master> suduko
00:33 <Tank_Master> tampanku
00:33 <Tank_Master> and yoyo
00:33 <MTughan> All right, I'll have to write these down... :P
00:33 <Tank_Master> those all should have 64bit lin app
00:34 <MTughan> What's SAH-1?
00:35 <Tank_Master> encription
00:35 <MTughan> SHA-1?
00:35 <Tank_Master> I believe
00:35 <MTughan> Yeah, SHA-1, not SAH-1. :P
00:37 <MTughan> Hehe... XKCD's up.
00:38 <Tank_Master> &xkcd
00:40 <Tank_Master> dont get the last part...
00:40 <MTughan> We'll find out tomorrow.
00:41 <MTughan> BTW, nqueens seems to be running.
00:41 <MTughan> Plenty of WUs, and last status item was August.
00:42 <Tank_Master> ok
00:46 <Tank_Master> right, sure they are
00:46 <Tank_Master> ok
00:47 <MTughan> All right, well I'll see what happens. Thanks TM.
00:48 <Tank_Master> np
00:48 <Tank_Master> n gl
00:48 <Tank_Master> :)
00:48 <MTughan> n gl? That one's new to me...
00:48 <MTughan> now good luck?
00:49 <Tank_Master> n - and
00:51 <MTughan> Ah.
00:55 <MTughan> E@H up.
00:56 <Tank_Master> coo
01:14 <MTughan> Well... Calculating 40,000 digits of pi using one core of a 2.53GHz machine takes 1h50m.
01:14 <Tank_Master> that good?
01:15 <Tank_Master> wonder whata nehalem will do... :D
01:15 <MTughan> Dunno. I just know it takes that long.
01:15 <MTughan> Heh.
01:15 <MTughan> Almost certainly, the system I plan to build next summer will be a quad-core or hex-core Nehalem.
01:16 <MTughan> The octo-cores won't be out yet if the predictions on Wikipedia are right.
01:16 <Tank_Master> yeah
01:16 <Tank_Master> Q1 or 2
01:16 <MTughan> If they are... They're server processors. I could always look at a dual processor setup... :D
01:16 <Tank_Master> but not for desktops
01:16 <Tank_Master> not dual
01:16 <Tank_Master> multi-way
01:16 <MTughan> Hmm?
01:17 <Tank_Master> the 8cores wil only be for multiway zeons
01:17 <MTughan> The Gainestown processors, right?
01:17 <Tank_Master> not dual
01:17 <Tank_Master> dunno
01:17 <Tank_Master> never learned those names
01:18 <MTughan> Oops, the Beckton's will be octo-core. For MP servers. Dunno what MP stands for.
01:18 <MTughan> Multi-processor?
01:18 <Tank_Master> yeah
01:18 <Tank_Master> 4way and higher
01:18 <MTughan> DP server would be dual-processor then... Okay.
01:19 <Tank_Master> sure does get quiet in my room with the window open and it gets about 50 in here
01:19 <MTughan> Well, even dual quad-core Nehalems would be powerful. Those oughta be out Q1 2009.
01:19 <Tank_Master> yeah, thall be sweet
01:19 <MTughan> Hex-cores probably won't be out until Q4 2009 at the earliest.
01:19 <Tank_Master> there wond be any
01:19 <Tank_Master> nehalem is a quad chip
01:20 <Tank_Master> put two together and you have 8 cores
01:20 <MTughan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Variants
01:20 <MTughan> Take a look at Westmere.
01:20 <Tank_Master> oh
01:20 <MTughan> Maybe two Nehalems with a core disabled?
01:21 <Tank_Master> 32mn
01:21 <MTughan> Like AMD's tri-cores.
01:21 <Tank_Master> no
01:21 <Tank_Master> 32nm, so they can redsign it around 6 cores instead of just 4
01:21 <Tank_Master> that wonr be out till 2010 probably
01:22 <MTughan> Q4 2009, H1 2010 they say.
01:22 <Tank_Master> could be
01:22 <Tank_Master> like the nehalems are out Q4 this year
01:22 <MTughan> Yeah.
01:23 <Tank_Master> but with the bulk of the releases next year
01:23 <MTughan> So the MP processors are out of my release, but the DPs are predicted for Q1 2009.
01:24 <Tank_Master> mp are hella spendy
01:24 <MTughan> Plus if you need min 4 as you say, that multiplies further.
01:25 <Tank_Master> duno if you need a min
01:25 <MTughan> QuickPath should increase performance quite a bit though. It'll be interesting.
01:25 <Tank_Master> but yea
01:25 <Tank_Master> it will
01:26 <Tank_Master> also, the latency to main memory is 1/2 that of AMD's
01:26 <Tank_Master> hehe
01:26 <Tank_Master> funny Intel should beat AMD at their own game by that much
01:26 <MTughan> I'm just glad the FSB is gone.
01:26 <Tank_Master> yeah
01:26 <MTughan> Means new techniques for OC'ing, but much better memory performance.
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06:06 <CoderForLife> sure
06:50 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
06:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 36.2°F / 2.3°C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 30. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming light north winds after midnight.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. (1 more message)
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07:47 <CoderForLife7477> &ping
07:47 <Romulus> pong
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07:53 <CoderForLife> &ping
07:53 <Romulus> pong
07:54 <wdsmia> &ding
07:54 <Romulus> DONG!
07:55 <CoderForLife> ISP crapped out
07:55 <CoderForLife> seems to be going again now
07:55 <wdsmia> been there
08:00 <wdsmia> well I'm off to that other place
08:10 <Soul_keeper> i need a perl expert
08:11 <Soul_keeper> $data = "letters number" i need to separate those into two different variables
08:13 <Soul_keeper> my $number =~ s/^(whatever the symbol for anything) //;
08:17 <Soul_keeper> maybe an array is the solution ...
08:19 <Soul_keeper> no damnit no!
08:21 <Soul_keeper> my mouse just decided it wanted to magically break just now
08:27 <CoderForLife> use split Soul_keeper
08:28 <Soul_keeper> excellent i think that'll work
08:28 <Soul_keeper> can't ask questions in #perl they'll attack you
08:28 <CoderForLife> seems so
08:30 <Soul_keeper> my @datain = split(/ /, $data); split by space :)
08:31 <CoderForLife> yup that's what I was thinking
08:32 <Soul_keeper> working on implementing a database in a program of mine, never messed with them before
08:32 <CoderForLife> experimentation and learning is at the heart of Coding
08:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah
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08:35 <CoderForLife> I'm at home this morning - expecting fence installers
08:35 <CoderForLife> 5 minutes ago
08:36 <PovAdct_w> <MTughan> BTW, nqueens seems to be running.
08:36 <PovAdct_w> it is?!
08:36 <CoderForLife> this afternoon I have a meeting at the Tri-State Warbird Museum to talk about the web site
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08:38 <nickuwo> sweet! mibbit
08:38 <PovAdct_w> I used to use mibbit from work
08:39 <PovAdct_w> er w$%&
08:39 <nickuwo> it's pretty cool. I wonder if it'l work on my phone, then I'll never get anything done!
08:40 <PovAdct_w> now I installed X-Chat, so I can be against web apps without being an hypocrite
08:40 <nickuwo> hehe, why against webapps?
08:40 <PovAdct_w> particularly against web apps trying to take over the world and replace desktop apps
08:40 <PovAdct_w> "the browser is the desktop" ugh
08:42 <nickuwo> hehe
08:42 <PovAdct_w> the best GMail feature is support for IMAP so I don't have to use their web interface
08:42 <DerMeister> There were huge developments in the past 15 years or so to get operating systems more efficient and more secure. And now they want to stick all applications into web browsers, throwing away all the speed and security. It's just ridiculous.
08:43 <PovAdct_w> DerMeister: you use gmx for email?
08:43 <nickuwo> I always thought they were referring to those ppl who only use computers for browsing and text-editing...
08:43 <DerMeister> Yes, it's one my e-mail providers. However, I don't use any web interface - just plain old POP3 and SMTP - for every e-mail account I have
08:44 <PovAdct_w> I've been looking at it... seems interesting, IMAP for free without the G-Empire watching me
08:44 <DerMeister> +of
08:44 <PovAdct_w> nickuwo: well, text-editing on a web app is also a horrible horrible idea (= Google Docs)
08:44 <PovAdct_w> I mean word processing
08:44 <nickuwo> I haven't tried it, but I imagine there's room for improvement.
08:45 <PovAdct_w> sure: making it a desktop app :)
08:45 <nickuwo> hehe
08:45 <PovAdct_w> the most ridiculous thing is they're now trying to make web apps work offline -_-
08:45 <nickuwo> welp, school and work time, laterz
08:45 <DerMeister> PovAdct_w: Well, I don't think that all those free-email-providers are more trustworthy than Google. They all use the same business model: Sending you personalised ads...
08:45 <nickuwo> that is ridiculous
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08:46 <PovAdct_w> DerMeister: I'd happily pay for GMX
08:47 <DerMeister> I don't know whether GMX reads the contents of the mails. They ask you to tell them your personal preferences once you register to allow them to personalise their ads...
08:47 <PovAdct_w> do they send ads via email?
08:48 <DerMeister> Yes, once a week or so.
08:48 <PovAdct_w> I get enough spam as it is...
08:48 <PovAdct_w> I'd pay for an email account giving me IMAP and decent space, and no ads
08:48 <DerMeister> But apart from that I'm quite happy with GMX. Their spam filter works really well and the reliability is really good.
08:49 <PovAdct_w> ISPs used to give email... free webmails quickly surpassed their quality and ISPs never bothered to improve
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08:50 <PovAdct_w> my ISP gives a ridiculously-small inbox only accessible via an ugly and unusable web interface (I mean it doesn't even work correctly, there's broken links on the interface etc)
08:52 <DerMeister> That's bad. Luckily I don't have these problems with my ISP. POP3 and SMTP work, I think even with SSL. Reliability is good as well. However, I don't know how much space I have there. Obviously enough for me as I didn't reach any limit yet.
08:53 <PovAdct_w> for a few extra bucks they give you a 10GB account... via gmail -_-
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09:11 <nickuwo> awww yea, irc at work
09:12 <PovAdct_w> you'll never get anything done
09:14 <hawmps> eh?
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09:44 <CoderForLife> bee?
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10:28 <hawmps> ip kill - attempted root hack >> 188.8.131.52
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11:56 <CoderForLife> I hate root hack attempts, hawmps
11:57 <Tank_Master> he try to hack you? :P
11:58 <CoderForLife> when they try to hack hawmps, they try to hack us all
11:58 <Tank_Master> ahh lol
11:59 <CoderForLife> the new fence is installed
11:59 <Tank_Master> coo
11:59 * CoderForLife coos
11:59 <MTughan_> You keep missing the "l" there TM. Did that last night too.
11:59 <Tank_Master> was that another fin experence?
11:59 <Tank_Master> I always do
11:59 <Tank_Master> dont ya know yer slang?
12:00 <CoderForLife> you told me to coo
12:00 <CoderForLife> so I did
12:02 <Tank_Master> heh
12:02 <CoderForLife> just to show my enthusiasm for the new fence along the top of the wall
12:03 <Tank_Master> heh
12:03 <Tank_Master> right
12:03 <Tank_Master> you gonna leave your droppings on it to?
12:03 <CoderForLife> "riiiiiight" =)
12:03 <MTughan_> The birds will, so why not CFL? xD
12:03 <CoderForLife> I've already dropped enough in that area
12:03 <MTughan_> lol
12:04 <CoderForLife> the fence was $1272, installed
12:04 <MTughan_> That's a moderately nice comp for BOINC there.
12:05 <CoderForLife> as a result of my recent expenditures, I am investigating OCing my retaining wall for that purpose
12:05 <MTughan_> Heh. Does that make it wider as it crunches faster?
12:06 <Tank_Master> no, taller
12:06 <CoderForLife> there seem to be precious few projects that support segamental block CPUs
12:06 <Tank_Master> with a change of letting the smoke out and burning down itself and the land around it
12:07 <Tank_Master> chance*
12:07 <MTughan_> Each block being a CPU... You've got yourself a computing grid there CFL!
12:07 <MTughan_> :P
12:07 <CoderForLife> that would be about 2400 CPUs
12:08 <MTughan_> Damn nice...
12:09 <CoderForLife> I'm recompiling BOINC to run on it
12:09 <MTughan_> Just pushes it along it's way. Stone BOINC.
12:10 * CoderForLife carefully places another rock and smashes it with a sledge hammer
12:10 <MTughan_> Running Windows CEMENT on it?
12:10 <MTughan_> Ooh, sounds like fun...
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12:11 <MTughan_> "As hard as a rock" Sounds like your wall all right. http://www.tburke.net/fun_stuff/pictures/computers/windows-cement.htm
12:11 <CoderForLife> I need to see if Fred Flintstone already has a port of BOINC for it
12:12 <MTughan_> Yeah... All of Bedrock is crunching BOINC now.
12:12 <CoderForLife> looks perfect
12:12 <MTughan_> The wall or the port for stone?
12:13 <CoderForLife> Windows CEmeNT
12:13 <MTughan_> It's a little outdated though. Vista is the newest iteration of CEMENT.
12:14 <MTughan_> Man, this is getting so bad now...
12:14 <Tank_Master> what is?
12:14 <Tank_Master> the cracks on vista?
12:14 <CoderForLife> snow?
12:14 <Romulus> hmm... snow is fun, CoderForLife
12:14 <MTughan_> The BOINC and Windows stone jokes...
12:14 <Tank_Master> yeah, they do get old after a few years
12:14 <MTughan_> Tank_Master, Making fun of Vista never gets old.
12:14 <Tank_Master> have you used it?
12:14 <MTughan_> Why the heck does autocomplete use a comma...
12:15 <MTughan_> Yes, I have.
12:15 <Tank_Master> though I guess Im biased by server 2008, I still want to think they are the same
12:15 <Tank_Master> dunno why
12:15 <Tank_Master> no UAC on server 2008
12:16 <MTughan_> I'm sort of waiting and not waiting for Windows 7. It should have much better performance and less interruptions from UAC, but I'm not looking forward to the Ribbon interface.
12:17 <Tank_Master> the riddon will only be for opaint, wordpad n the like
12:17 <Tank_Master> not for explorer or the OS
12:18 <MTughan_> Paint can be replaced with GIMP, Wordpad/Notepad by Notepad++. Well, we'll see. If Microsoft does something similar to Vista, they'll release a public beta once it gets closer to the release.
12:18 <MTughan_> I still have a DVD of Vista Beta 2 and RC1 at home.
12:19 <CoderForLife> now the the fence is up, I get to spend the rest of my vacation day doing volunteer work
12:19 <Tank_Master> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/2979092560_9d72d21bb6.jpg <- windows 7 UI as of milestone 3
12:19 <Tank_Master> see? no ribbon
12:20 <Tank_Master> besides, you can always have the ribbon set to autohide in office
12:20 <Tank_Master> and other programes
12:20 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: That's hardly a look of Explorer.
12:21 <MTughan_> And I can replace Office by OOo.
12:21 <Tank_Master> that site didnt work
12:21 <MTughan_> I think that's why he going to talk to them...
12:21 <Tank_Master> OO? man, thats some crap
12:21 <Tank_Master> yes, I have used it
12:21 <Tank_Master> sure, it works
12:21 <MTughan_> OpenOffice looks like Office 2003.
12:21 <Tank_Master> sure it seems faster
12:21 <MTughan_> The last version that Microsoft put some thought into.
12:22 <MTughan_> I can accept some discrepancies.
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12:32 <Tank_Master> I saw a pic of win explorer in win 7 earlier, but I cant find it now
12:33 <Tank_Master> looked basicly the same as vista
12:34 <CoderForLife> off to the museum and other errands - cya folks later
12:35 <Tank_Master> hf!
12:35 <CoderForLife> doubtless
12:36 <PovAdct_w> MTughan_: xchat?
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12:42 <MTughan_> I missed you guys!!!
12:42 <MTughan_> As if...
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12:42 <MTughan_> rofl
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12:51 <MTughan_> Class done...
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14:28 <MTughan> Oh... PovAdct_w: Sorry, missed your flash before. Yeah, nqueens has work, and the last news post was just about two months ago, which is nothing compared to some other projects.
14:32 <PovAdct_w> like chess960
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16:25 <MTughan> Holy crap... RAC on the new laptop is spiking.
16:25 <MTughan> Just a couple days ago, it had fallen under 300 RAC because none of the WUs it was calculating were being validated. It's now up to 625.
16:27 <MTughan> Holy crap... I was granted 5000 credits alone yesterday... Third highest ever. Beaten only by a Ramsey day and 21,533 credits back in January 2007, where I think a project was added to BOINCStats.
16:27 <PovAddict> I don't think you got it granted...
16:27 <PovAddict> you might have got -4900 the day before (due to BOINCStats server migration temporarily losing the retired projects)
16:27 <MTughan> Heh, good point...
16:28 <Tank_Master> I had -338k
16:28 <MTughan> Past two days have been 3,244 and 5.014 credits.
16:28 <Tank_Master> then +408k the next day
16:28 <MTughan> 5,014*
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16:37 <MTughan> This SSE2 app for E@H really helps now... Windows machine crunches about twice as fast as the Mac now.
16:37 <xcamel> 'lo
16:37 <MTughan> Hey Jay.
16:37 <MTughan> Snow let up?
16:38 <MTughan> Seems like it's already starting to melt here...
16:39 <Tank_Master> we never had snow :(
16:41 <xcamel> yeah.. I just had to move a big downed tree with the backhoe
16:41 <xcamel> and fix the fence
16:41 <MTughan> Ouch. Lots of wind then?
16:45 <xcamel> and heavy snow - my poor sycamore tree took a serious beating..
16:50 <MTughan> Oh, why didn't I think of this before... Having graphics issues with Fedora 10 beta, seems to be video card drivers. Why don't I just boot up using the integrated Intel X3500?!
16:51 <CoderForLife> back - re-hi
16:51 <MTughan> 'lo CFL
16:52 <CoderForLife> hello Michael
16:53 <xcamel> 'lo Don
16:53 <CoderForLife> hey Jay
16:53 <CoderForLife> wow - whiplash in the DOW in the last 15 mniutes
16:54 <CoderForLife> it was 10 till 4, I I heard on the radio "up 250"
16:54 <CoderForLife> ended down 74
16:54 <xcamel> whipsaw market
16:54 <MTughan> Oops... Tried starting the Intel integrated with ATI drivers. :P
16:55 <CoderForLife> going to watch the infomercial?
16:55 <Tank_Master> lol MT
16:56 <Tank_Master> that doesnt work to well
16:56 <MTughan> So I found out.
16:56 <MTughan> Trying with the generic driver now... Otherwise I'll look for an Intel driver.
16:56 <Tank_Master> gl
16:57 <MTughan> I'll need it...
16:57 <MTughan> Because the screen still fscks with this, although differently than with the ATI GPU.
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16:58 <Tank_Master> ahh
16:59 <MTughan> People have reported success with using an older kernel, so I can always resort to that afterwards... I may be here a while.
16:59 <MTughan> Without BOINC crunching. :(
17:00 <Tank_Master> whats dreadful
17:00 <Tank_Master> thats*
17:04 <MTughan> Well, moderate success... X starts fine, no graphics problems. Except no login window.
17:06 <Tank_Master> minor detail
17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin
17:06 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 88Â°F / 31Â°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 2:50 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:78 ° F. / 26 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 ° F. / 27 ° C.; Chance of (1 more message)
17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, germany
17:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 43Â°F / 6Â°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.; Rain. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 ° F. / -1 (1 more message)
17:07 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo!
17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> ahoi
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17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> dobre
17:07 <Tank_Master> sup?
17:08 <Tank_Master> ?
17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> ahoy
17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> its late
17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm tired
17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> dog-tired?
17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> have t learn english
17:11 <Tank_Master> dog-tiered is correct
17:11 <Tank_Master> better than my sp3ll1ng
17:11 <PovAddict> indeed
17:12 <yoyo[RKN]> dog-tired is a one to one translation from german
17:12 <Tank_Master> probably where we got it from then
17:12 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe
17:13 <MTughan> Naw, we got everything from the Greeks. Dontcha know? :P
17:13 <Tank_Master> lol
17:13 <Tank_Master> thats were most of it came from yeah
17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> but not kindergarten
17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> translation from german would be childrens garden
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17:15 <MTughan> Okay, wow... This issue goes deeper.
17:18 <PovAddict> libgnomebreakpad?
17:18 <PovAddict> sounds like the crash handler
17:18 <PovAddict> see if you can disable it, so you get a meaningful stack trace...
17:18 <MTughan> I've been having issues with i386 and x86_64 code.
17:18 <MTughan> Disabled what?
17:19 <PovAddict> the fancy crash handler
17:19 <PovAddict> "Multiple segmentation faults occurred; can't display error dialog" <- which would have displayed a graphical error report, but didn't
17:20 <DerMeister> I see some other error messages before that: X server cannot find any config file and the default configurations seems to need a framebuffer device - which isn't there...
17:20 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't have an xorg.conf currently. It's autoconfiguring.
17:21 <PovAddict> DerMeister: I don't see that on his log
17:21 <MTughan> That's not even Xorg.0.log. That's the output from startx.
17:22 <DerMeister> PovAddict: right at the beginning, just a few lines before the crash
17:22 <PovAddict> "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory"
17:23 <MTughan> The desktop and cursor do show on X, just nothing else.
17:24 <DerMeister> Probably because gnome is crashing. Any other window manager available?
17:24 <MTughan> Not installed, but I can get them. I do have wireless working from runlevel 3, CLI.
17:24 <PovAddict> try twm :)
17:25 <PovAddict> or something more sane...
17:25 <MTughan> Hold on, trying something with yum ATM... Will try afterwards.
17:25 <PovAddict> actually, maybe you could try starting individual gnome apps
17:25 <Tank_Master> yum yum
17:26 <PovAddict> open some graphical app... then gnome window manager
17:26 <PovAddict> (instead of the whole desktop session)
17:26 <MTughan> Do you know what it's called? gwm?
17:26 <PovAddict> I think it's metacity
17:26 <Tank_Master> pita
17:26 <MTughan> Ah yes, metacity...
17:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: You mean start up a graphical GNOME app, then the window manager?
17:30 <PovAddict> or a non-gnome graphical app (xeyes?)
17:30 <MTughan> I got a "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"
17:30 <PovAddict> I'm assuming too much...
17:30 <MTughan> xeyes prints "Error: Can't open display:"
17:31 <PovAddict> step 1. start the X server
17:31 <MTughan> If I do, I lose the CLI.
17:31 <PovAddict> Ctrl-Alt-F1 gets tty1 back
17:31 <MTughan> Unless...
17:31 <PovAddict> F2 for tty2 etc, 6 or 7 will have the X server
17:32 <MTughan> Awesome, I have a SSH session.
17:32 <MTughan> I got TTY1 back anyway.
17:33 <MTughan> But of course, TTY1 is taken for X... :P
17:33 <MTughan> Opening xeyes from TTY2 still says can't open display.
17:34 <PovAddict> you have to set the DISPLAY environment variable to where the X server is (probably setting it to ":0.0" will do)
17:34 <MTughan> xeyes works.
17:35 <PovAddict> you may want to run xeyes in the *background* so you don't need a tty for every program you try :)
17:35 <MTughan> gcalctool had an epic fail: "*** glibc detected *** gcalctool: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00000035252f4ce0 ***"
17:35 <DerMeister> looks like gnome is just broken ^^
17:36 <MTughan> I did uninstall some packages for 32-bit because they were conflicting with 64-bit versions, but I think I really fscked some stuff up.
17:36 <MTughan> I'll take Pov's suggestion for twm...
17:37 <MTughan> TWM already installed. Should I install the debug packages or not bother?
17:38 <PovAddict> if twm crashes, you're in trouble :)
17:38 <MTughan> So don't bother. How do I tell X to use TWM then?
17:38 <PovAddict> you just run it, with the right DISPLAY var like for xeyes
17:39 <MTughan> twm quits with that there's already another display manager running.
17:39 <PovAddict> weird... does xeyes have a titlebar currently?
17:39 <MTughan> xeyes isn't running.
17:40 <PovAddict> any graphical app on X now?
17:40 <MTughan> No.
17:40 <MTughan> Hmm... "Window manager warning: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a window manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current window manager."
17:40 <CoderForLife> need to run (er drive) to the store for the wife - bbiab
17:40 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if twm has a --replace
17:40 <MTughan> I don't think that was twm actually...
17:40 <MTughan> I think that was the grep command I had just run. O_O
17:41 <MTughan> Nvm, that was a typo on my part... From metacity.
17:41 <PovAddict> probably something on the background printed it
17:41 <PovAddict> try xlsclients
17:41 <MTughan> metacity is indeed running ATM...
17:41 <PovAddict> ah
17:41 <MTughan> I just killed it and it was started again...
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17:43 <MTughan> Whoa... Metacity keeps getting different PIDs.
17:44 <MTughan> Oops... Killing gnome-session killed X.
17:44 <PovAddict> did you run startx?
17:44 <MTughan> Yeah... Just did Xorg that time.
17:45 <PovAddict> startx starts the X server *and* default clients (gnome-session, which is the whole desktop)
17:45 <PovAddict> ah you ran Xorg directly - good
17:45 <MTughan> twm is running, but I don't see any response from X.
17:46 <MTughan> Killing twm flashes the screen, and X's X cursor appears. I don't know if twm is doing anything.
17:46 <PovAddict> run xlsclients again
17:47 <MTughan> Run twm again?
17:47 <MTughan> After that, I mean...
17:47 <PovAddict> what clients are running?
17:47 <PovAddict> "xlsclients - list client applications running on a display"
17:47 <MTughan> xlsclients returned immediately, no output.
17:48 <PovAddict> :/
17:48 <MTughan> Oh, I think I killed twm... One sec.
17:48 <MTughan> Still doesn't return anything.
17:49 <MTughan> I'm thinking a reinstall might be called for at this point... I don't have anything I need to keep on this yet.
17:54 <xcamel> boodah...boodah...
17:54 <Tank_Master> xcamel!
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17:55 <MTughan> Well, we'll see what an upgrade does... Should replace anything critical.
17:55 <xcamel> pov - anything on the cpu cookie monster?
17:56 <PovAddict> nope
17:56 <PovAddict> I still can't reproduce it on a self-compiled manager
17:56 <MTughan> Or not.
18:02 <MTughan> What the... "An unhandled exception has occurred." This is in the installer.
18:02 <PovAddict> ...
18:02 <PovAddict> go memtest your machine
18:03 <MTughan> Memtest caused a reboot.
18:04 <PovAddict> at this point it's obvious it's all gnome's fault, right? :)
18:04 <MTughan> XP runs fine.
18:05 <Tank_Master> maybe xp isnt as sensitive to memory errors?
18:05 <Tank_Master> I know vista is more sensitive than XP
18:09 <MTughan> Could also be that it happened when I tried setting Rawhide online as a repo, but not Internet connection is present.
18:10 <MTughan> Nope, just happened again...
18:10 <PovAddict> what did?
18:10 <MTughan> Exception on install. Different place.
18:11 <PovAddict> memtest?
18:11 <MTughan> No, anaconda. Gonna try another memtest.
18:12 <MTughan> Memtest rebooted again... Crud.
18:15 <MTughan> Yeah, as I thought... I only have one DIMM installed.
18:16 <MTughan> Looks fine, but that doesn't tell me anything. It's PC3-8500.
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18:21 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, i got that database stuff all figured out, was pretty easy :)
18:22 <MTughan> F*ck! Bootloader's gone!
18:23 <xcamel> you're just having a really bad day...
18:24 <MTughan> I'll see if I can get F8 installed again... That'll bring the bootloader back.
18:25 <PovAddict> &tiny http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23metalink
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18:31 <MTughan> Got through configuration in the install fine... Now to see if it'll install.
18:34 <MTughan> Packages installing...
18:34 <MTughan> Maybe taking longer than I might like, but it's going.
18:36 <MTughan> I think I'll have to replace the memory at some point anyway, to a 4GB dual channel kit.
18:37 <CoderForLife> congrats Soul_keeper
18:37 <MTughan> Hmm?
18:37 <CoderForLife> glad I could tell you about "split"
18:37 <MTughan> Oh...
18:37 <MTughan> For reason, I read that comment as by Pov, not SK... :P
18:37 <MTughan> For some*
18:38 * MTughan isn't thinking straight
18:39 <MTughan> Uh... Tank_Master: Is it just me, or do you think this kit is meant for Nehalem chipsets? http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=020538&cid=RAM.346.539
18:39 <Romulus> Title: Canada Computers - Memory > Desktop Memory > DDR3 1600 PC3-12800+ : OCZ (OCZ3G1600LV6GK) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600 MHz Gold XTC Triple Channel Kits 6GB (3x2048MB) T/C. (at www.canadacomputers.com)
18:39 <MTughan> A triple channel RAM kit.
18:40 <MTughan> Patriot's got two of those kits too.
18:45 <MTughan> Installation's still continuing... 986 of 1051 packages installed.
18:46 <MTughan> Install successful!
18:46 <MTughan> &monologue
18:46 <Romulus> MTughan: Your current monologue is at least 10 lines long.
18:47 <MTughan> I never thought I'd say this... But I've never been so glad to see the Windows XP logo fade up from black.
18:50 <MTughan> Good, wireless is up and BOINC is crunching.
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19:02 <CoderForLife> Google Maps has screwed up my street
19:02 <CoderForLife> grr
19:02 <Soul_keeper> lol
19:03 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, join #linuxsociety and check out my script
19:03 <CoderForLife> makes getting distances from home to destinations for reimbursement and charity mileage purposes difficult
19:04 * CoderForLife turns to the Dark Side maps.live.com
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19:04 <PovAddict> :O
19:04 <MTughan> CFL: Does MapQuest do directions?
19:05 <CoderForLife> dunno - I never found MapQuest very, um, "satisfying"
19:06 <CoderForLife> 17.2 miles to the museum
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19:54 <xcamel> 'lo Ed
19:54 <efc> Moo
19:56 * efc listens to Grass Roots CD
19:56 * KathrynM yawnws
19:56 <KathrynM> and yawns too
19:57 <CoderForLife> Grass Roots? Hmm... Temptation Eyes
19:57 <xcamel> bbl..
19:58 * efc has plan to play Midnight Confession while certain lady at work is in the car but is not going to reveal that publically to you.
19:59 * efc needs a new car
20:18 * CoderForLife needs a new drug
20:18 <CoderForLife> I'm off - gn folks
20:18 <efc> Night CFL
20:19 <CoderForLife> cya efc
20:20 <efc> WTF is this crap on tv?
20:21 <MTughan> efc: Reality shows?
20:21 <efc> 3 channels of Obamavision!
20:21 <PovAddict> that's redundant efc
20:21 <PovAddict> crap on tv
20:21 <MTughan> Oh, is his ad on tonight? Suckers!
20:22 <efc> I'm Missing Knight Rider
20:36 <Tank_Master> MTughan - yes, that kit is ment for the nehalems~
20:37 <MTughan> Isn't it a little early?
20:37 <Tank_Master> few weeks
20:37 <MTughan> There's none in stock ATM anyway, so it may have just been added to the DB. But I remember reading about QPI and that it replaced dual-channel memory with triple-channel memory, so that caught my eye.
20:38 <Tank_Master> yeah, the nehalems are trippel channel
20:39 <Tank_Master> up to 12GB I think
20:39 <Tank_Master> (for mobos with 6 slots)
20:39 <MTughan> More than that once the 4GB sticks come out. 24GB.
20:39 <MTughan> You can already get some DDR2 4GB sticks.
20:39 <Tank_Master> I dont thing they can suppor t24, though I could be wrong
20:40 <Tank_Master> do they support 16 now?
20:40 <Tank_Master> or is it still 8?
20:40 <MTughan> I don't know. I would think that would be a chipset or processor limitation, not a MB limitation.
20:40 <Tank_Master> its a chipset limitation
20:41 <Romulus> Title: Intel X58 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:41 <Tank_Master> processor can support 16 exta bytes or soemthing like that
20:41 <MTughan> Wait... X58 doesn't have a memory interface. That's on the processor now.
20:42 <Tank_Master> yeah
20:43 <Tank_Master> I see kingston also just releases tripple RAM solutions
20:44 <Tank_Master> daym, 3GB 2GHz RAM
20:44 <Tank_Master> 3x1GB
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20:56 <MTughan> Wow... Kingston makes some really high voltage RAM.
20:57 <MTughan> Notice all the triple-channel kits are 1.65V though, the max Core i7 can handle.
21:02 <xcamel> back again
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21:02 <MTughan> So is he.
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21:09 <PovAddict> back
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21:24 <Tank_Master> ib
21:28 *** efc has joined #boinc
21:28 <xcamel> arf
21:29 <efc> Yo
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21:57 <xcamel> laterz..
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22:09 <zombie67> MT?
22:09 <Romulus> MT is right, zombie67
22:10 <MTughan> F off Rommie.
22:10 <zombie67> Question for ya.
22:10 <zombie67> I want to copy my itunes library from one mac to another.
22:10 <zombie67> looking for the fastest method.
22:11 <zombie67> I could do it over ethernet
22:11 <zombie67> or FW
22:11 <zombie67> or USB (I think)
22:11 <MTughan> Just a standard file copy. Gigabit Ethernet will be the fastest.
22:11 <MTughan> Then FW800, FW400, then USB2.0
22:11 <PovAddict> as long as the .xml with the metadata goes in too...
22:12 <MTughan> If he just adds the songs via iTunes at the other end, he doesn't need to.
22:12 <MTughan> Like if he wants to merge one library with another, copying the XML will overwrite the first library.
22:12 <zombie67> I did this once using the iTunes "import" function. It got all the musicover, but none of the ratings or playlists
22:12 <MTughan> Ah yeah... You'd have to do some XML copying for that.
22:12 <zombie67> so I am going to do it over, and just copy the whole dir
22:13 <MTughan> Are you replacing the library on the other computer?
22:13 <MTughan> Or creating it for the first time?
22:13 <zombie67> yes
22:13 <zombie67> uh
22:13 <zombie67> what's the diff?
22:13 <zombie67> recall I just did a clean install of leopard on my laptop
22:13 <PovAddict> if you copy the whole dir, the XML would go along
22:13 <MTughan> One version, a library exists that you want to get rid of. Second, it doesn't exist at all. Both have the same method.
22:13 <zombie67> now I need to add back the music
22:14 <MTughan> So just copy the whole folder in place, and everything will go. As Pov said.
22:14 <PovAddict> iTunes completely quit on both, of course
22:14 <zombie67> anyway, I started off the first time over wi-fi. Let it run over night, when I woke up in the morning, it was only about 10% complete
22:14 <MTughan> Well, just on the destination would be req'd, but on the source too would be good.
22:14 <PovAddict> LOL
22:14 <MTughan> How much music do you have?
22:14 <PovAddict> 40GB+ from what I remember he said
22:14 <zombie67> lemme look
22:15 <MTughan> I believe that with gigabit Ethernet, the bottleneck for transferring files isn't the connection anymore, but the HDs or the packet encoding.
22:16 <PovAddict> with 100mbit the HD was a bottleneck too, a few years ago
22:16 <zombie67> 43gb
22:16 <PovAddict> now HD speed caught up
22:16 <zombie67> good memory
22:16 <MTughan> Means that you can probably copy close to 100MB/s with 1000Mb/s connection.
22:16 <MTughan> Means 430 minutes with that estimate, or about 7 hours.
22:16 <zombie67> so then, I hooked it directly with ethernet (no router), and it finished in half a day
22:17 <MTughan> Wow... Didn't realize I'd be that close.
22:17 <zombie67> so I was wondering if FW800 would be faster
22:17 <zombie67> I think I am hitting the speed of the drives
22:17 <zombie67> the laptop is a 5400 RPM version
22:17 <MTughan> Gigabit ethernet is probably faster than FW800.
22:18 <MTughan> All depends on whether 1000Mb/s for the ethernet is peak or stream. FireWire can stream at 800Mb/s.
22:19 <zombie67> my guess is I won't see a measurable difference.
22:19 <MTughan> Probably not.
22:19 <zombie67> and I am not sure I have a FW800 cable
22:20 <zombie67> okay, thanks for the help
22:20 <zombie67> you to pov
22:21 <PovAddict> going to sleep
22:21 <PovAddict> which obviously means
22:21 <MTughan> Seeya.
22:21 <PovAddict> Ubuntu 8.10 will be released in 10 minutes
22:21 <MTughan> 10:30PM EDT?
22:21 <MTughan> EST*
22:21 <PovAddict> there is no set date
22:21 <PovAddict> I mean according to Murphy
22:21 <PovAddict> if I go to sleep now, it will be out in 2 minutes
22:22 <MTughan> oic
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22:30 <zombie67> how far will 1000mb ethernet go?
22:30 <PovAddict> 1000 megabits per second
22:30 <zombie67> far, not fast
22:30 <MTughan> You mean physical length?
22:30 <zombie67> si
22:30 <PovAddict> depends on cable quality :)
22:30 <MTughan> I believe 15m? One sec...
22:31 <PovAddict> you can go quite far with 1GB fiber optic I'd guess :DDD
22:31 <MTughan> Oh, 5e is designed to go at least 100m.
22:32 <MTughan> Same for Cat6.
22:32 <zombie67> okay, my 50' will work just fine then
22:33 <zombie67> thanks
22:33 <MTughan> Oh yeah, 50' is well within specs.
22:33 <MTughan> &math convert 50 ft to m
22:33 <Romulus> MTughan: 15.24
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22:37 <zombie_67> sorry
22:37 <zombie_67> when I did the direct ethernet connection to my big mac, the change in IP messed with my irc client
22:38 <MTughan> I've done that a few times....
22:38 <zombie_67> macs are smart, and will always use the fastest connection by default, and ethernet is faster than wifi
22:39 <MTughan> No, there's an order you can set in System preferences. I believe wired is higher by default.
22:39 <MTughan> But you can set wireless to take higher precedence over wired.
22:39 <zombie_67> yes
22:39 <zombie_67> like I said, by default
22:40 <zombie_67> you can change that by dragging
22:41 <zombie_67> but in any case for this, i WANTED the wired connection
22:42 <zombie_67> man! VNC is so much faster
22:42 <MTughan> Heh.
22:42 <MTughan> Gigabit compared to wireless-G?
22:42 <zombie_67> yeah. But I also have 3 bridge wi-fi routers
22:43 <zombie_67> I think with every bridge added, speed drops by half
22:43 <zombie_67> not sure about that
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22:45 <zombie_67> okay, right off, it estimates it will take "about 5 hours"
22:47 <zombie_67> 100mb in 12 sec....
22:48 <zombie_67> wow...estimating about an hour
22:49 <zombie_67> this is going WAY faster than before, even when hard wired
22:50 <zombie_67> the only difference is that I transitioned mid-transfer from wifi to cable
22:50 <zombie_67> and I am not sure I turned off the wifi before
22:50 <zombie_67> I wonder if it was getting confused somehow.
22:51 <zombie_67> because while it got much faster, it still took half a day. And this will be done in an hour
22:52 <zombie_67> according to menumeters, I am at a sustained 12MB/sec
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23:59 <zombie_67> all done
23:59 <zombie_67> for a while now
23:59 <zombie_67> I missed the actual completion