IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-10-29

00:04 <Tank_Master> http://www.xs4all.nl/~egbg/counterscript.html

00:04 <Romulus> Title: anti-telemarketing EGBG counterscript (at www.xs4all.nl)

00:05 <Tank_Master> &cad

00:05 <Romulus> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php

00:05 <MTughan> XKCD has been delayed.

00:07 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Wow, that counterscript is quite detailed... Someone's thought it out.

00:07 <MTughan> Although I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. :P

00:07 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:07 <Tank_Master> probably someone who makes up the crap in the first place

00:08 <MTughan> Or has heard from enough telemarketers to write their own script.

00:08 <MTughan> Wow... ~450 updates to the Linux version I just downloaded.

00:09 <MTughan> TM: Are you able to get to E@H's site, or is it just my connection?

00:10 <Tank_Master> no

00:10 <Tank_Master> http error

00:10 <MTughan> Okay. FF is just hanging on the page.

00:13 <Tank_Master> in the boinc mamnger I got the http error message

00:13 <MTughan> That's what I figured. Either way, means it's down.

00:14 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:14 <Tank_Master> they have been having probs lately

00:14 <MTughan> And I just refreshed another E@H page without thinking, lost the cache. *slaps head*

00:14 <Tank_Master> doh!

00:14 <Tank_Master> I hate it when I do that

00:14 <MTughan> Yeah, with the spam accounts. I've been reading the forums and mailing list.

00:15 <Tank_Master> ?

00:15 <MTughan> There were large numbers of spam accounts being created. Daily number of new accts jumped from a couple hundred to 10,000.

00:16 <MTughan> Bernd reported it on the mailing list, that they were still being created despite captchas and other measures. He also found a bug in the server code.

00:16 <Tank_Master> ahh, so thats why E@H is having probs?

00:17 <MTughan> That's why it's been slow and had some probs, yes. Dunno if this is the same thing.

00:19 <Tank_Master> protines is dead, right?

00:19 <MTughan> I've never crunched Proteins@Home.

00:20 <Tank_Master> yeah, looks like it

00:21 <MTughan> How many comps do you have TM?

00:21 <MTughan> And what's your RAC like?

00:22 <Tank_Master> 2 quads and some lowlife comps

00:22 <Tank_Master> last I looked, RAC was about 13K I think

00:22 <Tank_Master> u?

00:22 <MTughan> Wow... I can barely hit 1500 RAC with two duals.

00:22 <Tank_Master> 64bit helps

00:23 <Tank_Master> as does the geforce 8800

00:23 <MTughan> Yeah. That's why I've been trying to get Linux working with wireless on the laptop, because I can use 64-bit compared to XP.

00:23 <Tank_Master> I use server 2008 x64

00:23 <MTughan> What are some good 64-bit projects? I know ABC is, E@H is 32-bit ATM. Others?

00:24 <Tank_Master> one of primgrid's is just as good as ABC

00:24 <Tank_Master> ABC is probably the bext knoen

00:24 <Tank_Master> best*

00:24 <MTughan> KB troubles again?

00:24 <Tank_Master> always

00:25 <Tank_Master> some projects still dont reconise win64

00:25 <Tank_Master> but those are few

00:25 <MTughan> Looks like the sieves on PG are 64-bit.

00:25 <MTughan> Older projects, right?

00:25 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:25 <Tank_Master> I helped test the sieve app for RS

00:26 <Tank_Master> VTU and SZTARI or whatever so far I noticed dont

00:26 <MTughan> But RS ain't available ATM. They're still waiting for Lee to upload stuff... As you probably know.

00:26 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:26 <Tank_Master> I do

00:26 <Tank_Master> I still helped test the app :D

00:26 <MTughan> Holy crap, this fan is dirty...

00:26 <Tank_Master> time to blow the dust out?

00:27 <MTughan> External fan. Not a computer fan. But yes.

00:28 <MTughan> Starting to run low on compressed air... I'll need to pick some up next time I'm home.

00:28 <MTughan> Anyway, any more good 64-bit projects?

00:30 <MTughan> Tank_Master: How's SIMAP?

00:30 <Tank_Master> ok credits, but 32bit

00:30 <Tank_Master> AI is 64bit

00:30 <Tank_Master> no wait n/m

00:30 <Tank_Master> it runs 32bit on 64bit

00:31 <MTughan> No, it's not. Not according to the apps page.

00:31 <Tank_Master> yeah, ABC and PG are about it

00:31 <MTughan> Reason I asked about SIMAP is that there are 64-bit versions listed on their apps page.

00:31 <Tank_Master> for 64bit win

00:31 <MTughan> And Linux.

00:31 <Tank_Master> chess

00:32 <Tank_Master> cosmoligy

00:32 <Tank_Master> leiden clasical

00:32 <MTughan> Is Chess still running?

00:32 <Tank_Master> malaria

00:32 <Tank_Master> dunno

00:32 <Tank_Master> dunno od nquees is either

00:32 <Tank_Master> if*

00:33 <Tank_Master> SAH-1

00:33 <Tank_Master> simap

00:33 <MTughan> According to Chess's status page, 51 WUs are in progress, 0 ready to send.

00:33 <Tank_Master> suduko

00:33 <Tank_Master> tampanku

00:33 <Tank_Master> and yoyo

00:33 <MTughan> All right, I'll have to write these down... :P

00:33 <Tank_Master> those all should have 64bit lin app

00:34 <MTughan> What's SAH-1?

00:35 <Tank_Master> encription

00:35 <MTughan> SHA-1?

00:35 <Tank_Master> I believe

00:35 <MTughan> Yeah, SHA-1, not SAH-1. :P

00:37 <MTughan> Hehe... XKCD's up.

00:38 <Tank_Master> &xkcd

00:38 <Romulus> http://www.xkcd.com/

00:40 <Tank_Master> dont get the last part...

00:40 <MTughan> We'll find out tomorrow.

00:41 <MTughan> BTW, nqueens seems to be running.

00:41 <MTughan> Plenty of WUs, and last status item was August.

00:42 <Tank_Master> ok

00:44 <MTughan> Tanpaku seems to be down: http://issofty17.is.noda.tus.ac.jp/

00:46 <Tank_Master> right, sure they are

00:46 <Tank_Master> ok

00:47 <MTughan> All right, well I'll see what happens. Thanks TM.

00:48 <Tank_Master> np

00:48 <Tank_Master> n gl

00:48 <Tank_Master> :)

00:48 <MTughan> n gl? That one's new to me...

00:48 <MTughan> now good luck?

00:49 <Tank_Master> n - and

00:51 <MTughan> Ah.

00:55 <MTughan> E@H up.

00:56 <Tank_Master> coo

01:14 <MTughan> Well... Calculating 40,000 digits of pi using one core of a 2.53GHz machine takes 1h50m.

01:14 <Tank_Master> that good?

01:15 <Tank_Master> wonder whata nehalem will do... :D

01:15 <MTughan> Dunno. I just know it takes that long.

01:15 <MTughan> Heh.

01:15 <MTughan> Almost certainly, the system I plan to build next summer will be a quad-core or hex-core Nehalem.

01:16 <MTughan> The octo-cores won't be out yet if the predictions on Wikipedia are right.

01:16 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:16 <Tank_Master> Q1 or 2

01:16 <MTughan> If they are... They're server processors. I could always look at a dual processor setup... :D

01:16 <Tank_Master> but not for desktops

01:16 <Tank_Master> not dual

01:16 <Tank_Master> multi-way

01:16 <MTughan> Hmm?

01:17 <Tank_Master> the 8cores wil only be for multiway zeons

01:17 <MTughan> The Gainestown processors, right?

01:17 <Tank_Master> not dual

01:17 <Tank_Master> dunno

01:17 <Tank_Master> never learned those names

01:18 <MTughan> Oops, the Beckton's will be octo-core. For MP servers. Dunno what MP stands for.

01:18 <MTughan> Multi-processor?

01:18 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:18 <Tank_Master> 4way and higher

01:18 <MTughan> DP server would be dual-processor then... Okay.

01:19 <Tank_Master> sure does get quiet in my room with the window open and it gets about 50 in here

01:19 <MTughan> Well, even dual quad-core Nehalems would be powerful. Those oughta be out Q1 2009.

01:19 <Tank_Master> yeah, thall be sweet

01:19 <MTughan> Hex-cores probably won't be out until Q4 2009 at the earliest.

01:19 <Tank_Master> there wond be any

01:19 <Tank_Master> nehalem is a quad chip

01:20 <Tank_Master> put two together and you have 8 cores

01:20 <MTughan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Variants

01:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/575tkr> (at en.wikipedia.org)

01:20 <MTughan> Take a look at Westmere.

01:20 <Tank_Master> oh

01:20 <MTughan> Maybe two Nehalems with a core disabled?

01:21 <Tank_Master> 32mn

01:21 <MTughan> Like AMD's tri-cores.

01:21 <Tank_Master> no

01:21 <Tank_Master> 32nm, so they can redsign it around 6 cores instead of just 4

01:21 <Tank_Master> that wonr be out till 2010 probably

01:22 <MTughan> Q4 2009, H1 2010 they say.

01:22 <Tank_Master> could be

01:22 <Tank_Master> like the nehalems are out Q4 this year

01:22 <MTughan> Yeah.

01:23 <Tank_Master> but with the bulk of the releases next year

01:23 <MTughan> So the MP processors are out of my release, but the DPs are predicted for Q1 2009.

01:24 <Tank_Master> mp are hella spendy

01:24 <MTughan> Plus if you need min 4 as you say, that multiplies further.

01:25 <Tank_Master> duno if you need a min

01:25 <MTughan> QuickPath should increase performance quite a bit though. It'll be interesting.

01:25 <Tank_Master> but yea

01:25 <Tank_Master> it will

01:26 <Tank_Master> also, the latency to main memory is 1/2 that of AMD's

01:26 <Tank_Master> hehe

01:26 <Tank_Master> funny Intel should beat AMD at their own game by that much

01:26 <MTughan> I'm just glad the FSB is gone.

01:26 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:26 <MTughan> Means new techniques for OC'ing, but much better memory performance.

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06:06 <CoderForLife> sure

06:50 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 36.2F / 2.3C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 30. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming light north winds after midnight.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. (1 more message)

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07:47 <CoderForLife7477> &ping

07:47 <Romulus> pong

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07:53 <CoderForLife> &ping

07:53 <Romulus> pong

07:54 <wdsmia> &ding

07:54 <Romulus> DONG!

07:55 <CoderForLife> ISP crapped out

07:55 <CoderForLife> seems to be going again now

07:55 <wdsmia> been there

08:00 <wdsmia> well I'm off to that other place

08:10 <Soul_keeper> i need a perl expert

08:11 <Soul_keeper> $data = "letters number"                i need to separate those into two different variables

08:13 <Soul_keeper> my $number =~ s/^(whatever the symbol for anything) //;

08:17 <Soul_keeper> maybe an array is the solution ...

08:19 <Soul_keeper> no damnit no!

08:21 <Soul_keeper> my mouse just decided it wanted to magically break just now

08:27 <CoderForLife> use split Soul_keeper

08:28 <Soul_keeper> excellent i think that'll work

08:28 <Soul_keeper> can't ask questions in #perl  they'll attack you

08:28 <CoderForLife> seems so

08:30 <Soul_keeper> my @datain = split(/ /, $data);     split by space   :)

08:31 <CoderForLife> yup  that's what I was thinking

08:32 <Soul_keeper> working on implementing a database in a program of mine, never  messed with them before

08:32 <CoderForLife> experimentation and learning is at the heart of Coding

08:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah

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08:35 <CoderForLife> I'm at home this morning - expecting fence installers

08:35 <CoderForLife> 5 minutes ago

08:36 <PovAdct_w> <MTughan>  BTW, nqueens seems to be running.

08:36 <PovAdct_w> it is?!

08:36 <CoderForLife> this afternoon I have a meeting at the Tri-State Warbird Museum to talk about the web site

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08:38 <nickuwo> sweet! mibbit

08:38 <PovAdct_w> I used to use mibbit from work

08:39 <PovAdct_w> er w$%&

08:39 <nickuwo> it's pretty cool. I wonder if it'l work on my phone, then I'll never get anything done!

08:40 <PovAdct_w> now I installed X-Chat, so I can be against web apps without being an hypocrite

08:40 <nickuwo> hehe, why against webapps?

08:40 <PovAdct_w> particularly against web apps trying to take over the world and replace desktop apps

08:40 <PovAdct_w> "the browser is the desktop" ugh

08:42 <nickuwo> hehe

08:42 <PovAdct_w> the best GMail feature is support for IMAP so I don't have to use their web interface

08:42 <DerMeister> There were huge developments in the past 15 years or so to get operating systems more efficient and more secure. And now they want to stick all applications into web browsers, throwing away all the speed and security. It's just ridiculous.

08:43 <PovAdct_w> DerMeister: you use gmx for email?

08:43 <nickuwo> I always thought they were referring to those ppl who only use computers for browsing and text-editing...

08:43 <DerMeister> Yes, it's one my e-mail providers. However, I don't use any web interface - just plain old POP3 and SMTP - for every e-mail account I have

08:44 <PovAdct_w> I've been looking at it... seems interesting, IMAP for free without the G-Empire watching me

08:44 <DerMeister> +of

08:44 <PovAdct_w> nickuwo: well, text-editing on a web app is also a horrible horrible idea (= Google Docs)

08:44 <PovAdct_w> I mean word processing

08:44 <nickuwo> I haven't tried it, but I imagine there's room for improvement.

08:45 <PovAdct_w> sure: making it a desktop app :)

08:45 <nickuwo> hehe

08:45 <PovAdct_w> the most ridiculous thing is they're now trying to make web apps work offline -_-

08:45 <nickuwo> welp, school and work time, laterz

08:45 <DerMeister> PovAdct_w: Well, I don't think that all those free-email-providers are more trustworthy than Google. They all use the same business model: Sending you personalised ads...

08:45 <nickuwo> that is ridiculous

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08:46 <PovAdct_w> DerMeister: I'd happily pay for GMX

08:47 <DerMeister> I don't know whether GMX reads the contents of the mails. They ask you to tell them your personal preferences once you register to allow them to personalise their ads...

08:47 <PovAdct_w> do they send ads via email?

08:48 <DerMeister> Yes, once a week or so.

08:48 <PovAdct_w> I get enough spam as it is...

08:48 <PovAdct_w> I'd pay for an email account giving me IMAP and decent space, and no ads

08:48 <DerMeister> But apart from that I'm quite happy with GMX. Their spam filter works really well and the reliability is really good.

08:49 <PovAdct_w> ISPs used to give email... free webmails quickly surpassed their quality and ISPs never bothered to improve

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08:50 <PovAdct_w> my ISP gives a ridiculously-small inbox only accessible via an ugly and unusable web interface (I mean it doesn't even work correctly, there's broken links on the interface etc)

08:52 <DerMeister> That's bad. Luckily I don't have these problems with my ISP. POP3 and SMTP work, I think even with SSL. Reliability is good as well. However, I don't know how much space I have there. Obviously enough for me as I didn't reach any limit yet.

08:53 <PovAdct_w> for a few extra bucks they give you a 10GB account... via gmail -_-

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09:11 <nickuwo> awww yea, irc at work

09:12 <PovAdct_w> you'll never get anything done

09:14 <hawmps> eh?

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09:44 <CoderForLife> bee?

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10:28 <hawmps> ip kill - attempted root hack >> 200.47.151.126

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11:56 <CoderForLife> I hate root hack attempts, hawmps

11:57 <Tank_Master> he try to hack you? :P

11:58 <CoderForLife> when they try to hack hawmps, they try to hack us all

11:58 <Tank_Master> ahh lol

11:59 <CoderForLife> the new fence is installed

11:59 <Tank_Master> coo

11:59 * CoderForLife coos

11:59 <MTughan_> You keep missing the "l" there TM. Did that last night too.

11:59 <Tank_Master> was that another fin experence?

11:59 <Tank_Master> I always do

11:59 <Tank_Master> dont ya know yer slang?

12:00 <CoderForLife> you told me to coo

12:00 <CoderForLife> so I did

12:02 <Tank_Master> heh

12:02 <CoderForLife> just to show my enthusiasm for the new fence along the top of the wall

12:03 <Tank_Master> heh

12:03 <Tank_Master> right

12:03 <Tank_Master> you gonna leave your droppings on it to?

12:03 <CoderForLife> "riiiiiight" =)

12:03 <MTughan_> The birds will, so why not CFL? xD

12:03 <CoderForLife> I've already dropped enough in that area

12:03 <MTughan_> lol

12:04 <CoderForLife> the fence was $1272, installed

12:04 <MTughan_> That's a moderately nice comp for BOINC there.

12:05 <CoderForLife> as a result of my recent expenditures, I am investigating OCing my retaining wall for that purpose

12:05 <MTughan_> Heh. Does that make it wider as it crunches faster?

12:06 <Tank_Master> no, taller

12:06 <CoderForLife> there seem to be precious few projects that support segamental block CPUs

12:06 <Tank_Master> with a change of letting the smoke out and burning down itself and the land around it

12:07 <Tank_Master> chance*

12:07 <MTughan_> Each block being a CPU... You've got yourself a computing grid there CFL!

12:07 <MTughan_> :P

12:07 <CoderForLife> that would be about 2400 CPUs

12:08 <MTughan_> Damn nice...

12:09 <CoderForLife> I'm recompiling BOINC to run on it

12:09 <MTughan_> Just pushes it along it's way. Stone BOINC.

12:10 * CoderForLife carefully places another rock and smashes it with a sledge hammer

12:10 <MTughan_> Running Windows CEMENT on it?

12:10 <MTughan_> Ooh, sounds like fun...

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12:11 <MTughan_> "As hard as a rock" Sounds like your wall all right. http://www.tburke.net/fun_stuff/pictures/computers/windows-cement.htm

12:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cxkvc> (at www.tburke.net)

12:11 <CoderForLife> I need to see if Fred Flintstone already has a port of BOINC for it

12:12 <MTughan_> Yeah... All of Bedrock is crunching BOINC now.

12:12 <CoderForLife> looks perfect

12:12 <MTughan_> The wall or the port for stone?

12:13 <CoderForLife> Windows CEmeNT

12:13 <MTughan_> It's a little outdated though. Vista is the newest iteration of CEMENT.

12:14 <MTughan_> Man, this is getting so bad now...

12:14 <Tank_Master> what is?

12:14 <Tank_Master> the cracks on vista?

12:14 <CoderForLife> snow?

12:14 <Romulus> hmm... snow is fun, CoderForLife

12:14 <MTughan_> The BOINC and Windows stone jokes...

12:14 <Tank_Master> yeah, they do get old after a few years

12:14 <MTughan_> Tank_Master, Making fun of Vista never gets old.

12:14 <Tank_Master> have you used it?

12:14 <MTughan_> Why the heck does autocomplete use a comma...

12:15 <MTughan_> Yes, I have.

12:15 <Tank_Master> though I guess Im biased by server 2008, I still want to think they are the same

12:15 <Tank_Master> dunno why

12:15 <Tank_Master> no UAC on server 2008

12:16 <MTughan_> I'm sort of waiting and not waiting for Windows 7. It should have much better performance and less interruptions from UAC, but I'm not looking forward to the Ribbon interface.

12:17 <Tank_Master> the riddon will only be for opaint, wordpad n the like

12:17 <Tank_Master> not for explorer or the OS

12:18 <MTughan_> Paint can be replaced with GIMP, Wordpad/Notepad by Notepad++. Well, we'll see. If Microsoft does something similar to Vista, they'll release a public beta once it gets closer to the release.

12:18 <MTughan_> I still have a DVD of Vista Beta 2 and RC1 at home.

12:19 <CoderForLife> now the the fence is up, I get to spend the rest of my vacation day doing volunteer work

12:19 <Tank_Master> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3294/2979092560_9d72d21bb6.jpg <- windows 7 UI as of milestone 3

12:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5wuseg> (at farm4.static.flickr.com)

12:19 <Tank_Master> see? no ribbon

12:20 <CoderForLife> going to go talk with these folks about their web site, which I host here  http://www.tri-statewarbirdmuseum.com

12:20 <Tank_Master> besides, you can always have the ribbon set to autohide in office

12:20 <Tank_Master> and other programes

12:20 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: That's hardly a look of Explorer.

12:21 <MTughan_> And I can replace Office by OOo.

12:21 <Tank_Master> that site didnt work

12:21 <MTughan_> I think that's why he going to talk to them...

12:21 <Tank_Master> OO? man, thats some crap

12:21 <Tank_Master> yes, I have used it

12:21 <Tank_Master> sure, it works

12:21 <MTughan_> OpenOffice looks like Office 2003.

12:21 <Tank_Master> sure it seems faster

12:21 <MTughan_> The last version that Microsoft put some thought into.

12:22 <MTughan_> I can accept some discrepancies.

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12:32 <Tank_Master> I saw a pic of win explorer in win 7 earlier, but I cant find it now

12:33 <Tank_Master> looked basicly the same as vista

12:34 <CoderForLife> off to the museum and other errands - cya folks later

12:35 <Tank_Master> hf!

12:35 <CoderForLife> doubtless

12:36 <PovAdct_w> MTughan_: xchat?

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12:42 <MTughan_> I missed you guys!!!

12:42 <MTughan_> As if...

12:42 * PovAdct_w splits MTughan_

12:42 <MTughan_> rofl

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12:51 <MTughan_> Class done...

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14:28 <MTughan> Oh... PovAdct_w: Sorry, missed your flash before. Yeah, nqueens has work, and the last news post was just about two months ago, which is nothing compared to some other projects.

14:32 <PovAdct_w> like chess960

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16:25 <MTughan> Holy crap... RAC on the new laptop is spiking.

16:25 <MTughan> Just a couple days ago, it had fallen under 300 RAC because none of the WUs it was calculating were being validated. It's now up to 625.

16:27 <MTughan> Holy crap... I was granted 5000 credits alone yesterday... Third highest ever. Beaten only by a Ramsey day and 21,533 credits back in January 2007, where I think a project was added to BOINCStats.

16:27 <PovAddict> I don't think you got it granted...

16:27 <PovAddict> you might have got -4900 the day before (due to BOINCStats server migration temporarily losing the retired projects)

16:27 <MTughan> Heh, good point...

16:28 <Tank_Master> I had -338k

16:28 <MTughan> Past two days have been 3,244 and 5.014 credits.

16:28 <Tank_Master> then +408k the next day

16:28 <MTughan> 5,014*

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16:37 <MTughan> This SSE2 app for E@H really helps now... Windows machine crunches about twice as fast as the Mac now.

16:37 <xcamel> 'lo

16:37 <MTughan> Hey Jay.

16:37 <MTughan> Snow let up?

16:38 <MTughan> Seems like it's already starting to melt here...

16:39 <Tank_Master> we never had snow :(

16:41 <xcamel> yeah.. I just had to move a big downed tree with the backhoe

16:41 <xcamel> and fix the fence

16:41 <MTughan> Ouch. Lots of wind then?

16:45 <xcamel> and heavy snow - my poor sycamore tree took a serious beating..

16:50 <MTughan> Oh, why didn't I think of this before... Having graphics issues with Fedora 10 beta, seems to be video card drivers. Why don't I just boot up using the integrated Intel X3500?!

16:51 <CoderForLife> back - re-hi

16:51 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:52 <CoderForLife> hello Michael

16:53 <xcamel> 'lo Don

16:53 <CoderForLife> hey Jay

16:53 <CoderForLife> wow - whiplash in the DOW in the last 15 mniutes

16:54 <CoderForLife> it was 10 till 4, I I heard on the radio "up 250"

16:54 <CoderForLife> ended down 74

16:54 <xcamel> whipsaw market

16:54 <MTughan> Oops... Tried starting the Intel integrated with ATI drivers. :P

16:55 <CoderForLife> going to watch the infomercial?

16:55 <Tank_Master> lol MT

16:56 <Tank_Master> that doesnt work to well

16:56 <MTughan> So I found out.

16:56 <MTughan> Trying with the generic driver now... Otherwise I'll look for an Intel driver.

16:56 <Tank_Master> gl

16:57 <MTughan> I'll need it...

16:57 <MTughan> Because the screen still fscks with this, although differently than with the ATI GPU.

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16:58 <Tank_Master> ahh

16:59 <MTughan> People have reported success with using an older kernel, so I can always resort to that afterwards... I may be here a while.

16:59 <MTughan> Without BOINC crunching. :(

17:00 <Tank_Master> whats dreadful

17:00 <Tank_Master> thats*

17:04 <MTughan> Well, moderate success... X starts fine, no graphics problems. Except no login window.

17:06 <Tank_Master> minor detail

17:06 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin

17:06 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 88°F / 31°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 2:50 PM CST; Scattered Clouds. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:71 F. / 22 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:73 F. / 23 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Chance of (1 more message)

17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin, germany

17:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1004hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:44 F. / 7 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Rain. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 (1 more message)

17:07 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo!

17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> ahoi

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17:07 <yoyo[RKN]> dobre

17:07 <Tank_Master> sup?

17:08 <Tank_Master> ?

17:09 <yoyo[RKN]> ahoy

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> its late

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> I'm tired

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> dog-tired?

17:10 <yoyo[RKN]> have t learn english

17:11 <Tank_Master> dog-tiered is correct

17:11 <Tank_Master> better than my sp3ll1ng

17:11 <PovAddict> indeed

17:12 <yoyo[RKN]> dog-tired is a one to one translation from german

17:12 <Tank_Master> probably where we got it from then

17:12 <yoyo[RKN]> hehe

17:13 <MTughan> Naw, we got everything from the Greeks. Dontcha know? :P

17:13 <Tank_Master> lol

17:13 <Tank_Master> thats were most of it came from yeah

17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> but not kindergarten

17:14 <yoyo[RKN]> translation from german would be childrens garden

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17:15 <MTughan> Okay, wow... This issue goes deeper.

17:15 <MTughan> http://michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org/x.log

17:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6g4eqr> (at michaelsprogramming.home.dyndns.org)

17:18 <PovAddict> libgnomebreakpad?

17:18 <PovAddict> sounds like the crash handler

17:18 <PovAddict> see if you can disable it, so you get a meaningful stack trace...

17:18 <MTughan> I've been having issues with i386 and x86_64 code.

17:18 <MTughan> Disabled what?

17:19 <PovAddict> the fancy crash handler

17:19 <PovAddict> "Multiple segmentation faults occurred; can't display error dialog" <- which would have displayed a graphical error report, but didn't

17:20 <DerMeister> I see some other error messages before that: X server cannot find any config file and the default configurations seems to need a framebuffer device - which isn't there...

17:20 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't have an xorg.conf currently. It's autoconfiguring.

17:21 <PovAddict> DerMeister: I don't see that on his log

17:21 <MTughan> That's not even Xorg.0.log. That's the output from startx.

17:22 <DerMeister> PovAddict: right at the beginning, just a few lines before the crash

17:22 <PovAddict> "open /dev/fb0: No such file or directory"

17:23 <MTughan> The desktop and cursor do show on X, just nothing else.

17:24 <DerMeister> Probably because gnome is crashing. Any other window manager available?

17:24 <MTughan> Not installed, but I can get them. I do have wireless working from runlevel 3, CLI.

17:24 <PovAddict> try twm :)

17:25 <PovAddict> or something more sane...

17:25 <MTughan> Hold on, trying something with yum ATM... Will try afterwards.

17:25 <PovAddict> actually, maybe you could try starting individual gnome apps

17:25 <Tank_Master> yum yum

17:26 <PovAddict> open some graphical app... then gnome window manager

17:26 <PovAddict> (instead of the whole desktop session)

17:26 <MTughan> Do you know what it's called? gwm?

17:26 <PovAddict> I think it's metacity

17:26 <Tank_Master> pita

17:26 <MTughan> Ah yes, metacity...

17:29 <MTughan> PovAddict: You mean start up a graphical GNOME app, then the window manager?

17:30 <PovAddict> or a non-gnome graphical app (xeyes?)

17:30 <MTughan> I got a "Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"

17:30 <PovAddict> I'm assuming too much...

17:30 <MTughan> xeyes prints "Error: Can't open display:"

17:31 <PovAddict> step 1. start the X server

17:31 <MTughan> If I do, I lose the CLI.

17:31 <PovAddict> Ctrl-Alt-F1 gets tty1 back

17:31 <MTughan> Unless...

17:31 <PovAddict> F2 for tty2 etc, 6 or 7 will have the X server

17:32 <MTughan> Awesome, I have a SSH session.

17:32 <MTughan> I got TTY1 back anyway.

17:33 <MTughan> But of course, TTY1 is taken for X... :P

17:33 <MTughan> Opening xeyes from TTY2 still says can't open display.

17:34 <PovAddict> you have to set the DISPLAY environment variable to where the X server is (probably setting it to ":0.0" will do)

17:34 <MTughan> xeyes works.

17:35 <PovAddict> you may want to run xeyes in the *background* so you don't need a tty for every program you try :)

17:35 <MTughan> gcalctool had an epic fail: "*** glibc detected *** gcalctool: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00000035252f4ce0 ***"

17:35 <DerMeister> looks like gnome is just broken ^^

17:36 <MTughan> I did uninstall some packages for 32-bit because they were conflicting with 64-bit versions, but I think I really fscked some stuff up.

17:36 <MTughan> I'll take Pov's suggestion for twm...

17:37 <MTughan> TWM already installed. Should I install the debug packages or not bother?

17:38 <PovAddict> if twm crashes, you're in trouble :)

17:38 <MTughan> So don't bother. How do I tell X to use TWM then?

17:38 <PovAddict> you just run it, with the right DISPLAY var like for xeyes

17:39 <MTughan> twm quits with that there's already another display manager running.

17:39 <PovAddict> weird... does xeyes have a titlebar currently?

17:39 <MTughan> xeyes isn't running.

17:40 <PovAddict> any graphical app on X now?

17:40 <MTughan> No.

17:40 <MTughan> Hmm... "Window manager warning: Screen 0 on display ":0.0" already has a window manager; try using the --replace option to replace the current window manager."

17:40 <CoderForLife> need to run (er drive) to the store for the wife - bbiab

17:40 <PovAddict> I'm not sure if twm has a --replace

17:40 <MTughan> I  don't think that was twm actually...

17:40 <MTughan> I think that was the grep command I had just run. O_O

17:41 <MTughan> Nvm, that was a typo on my part... From metacity.

17:41 <PovAddict> probably something on the background printed it

17:41 <PovAddict> try xlsclients

17:41 <MTughan> metacity is indeed running ATM...

17:41 <PovAddict> ah

17:41 <MTughan> I just killed it and it was started again...

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17:43 <MTughan> Whoa... Metacity keeps getting different PIDs.

17:44 <MTughan> Oops... Killing gnome-session killed X.

17:44 <PovAddict> did you run startx?

17:44 <MTughan> Yeah... Just did Xorg that time.

17:45 <PovAddict> startx starts the X server *and* default clients (gnome-session, which is the whole desktop)

17:45 <PovAddict> ah you ran Xorg directly - good

17:45 <MTughan> twm is running, but I don't see any response from X.

17:46 <MTughan> Killing twm flashes the screen, and X's X cursor appears. I don't know if twm is doing anything.

17:46 <PovAddict> run xlsclients again

17:47 <MTughan> Run twm again?

17:47 <MTughan> After that, I mean...

17:47 <PovAddict> what clients are running?

17:47 <PovAddict> "xlsclients - list client applications running on a display"

17:47 <MTughan> xlsclients returned immediately, no output.

17:48 <PovAddict> :/

17:48 <MTughan> Oh, I think I killed twm... One sec.

17:48 <MTughan> Still doesn't return anything.

17:49 <MTughan> I'm thinking a reinstall might be called for at this point... I don't have anything I need to keep on this yet.

17:54 <xcamel> boodah...boodah...

17:54 <Tank_Master> xcamel!

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17:55 <MTughan> Well, we'll see what an upgrade does... Should replace anything critical.

17:55 <xcamel> pov - anything on the cpu cookie monster?

17:56 <PovAddict> nope

17:56 <PovAddict> I still can't reproduce it on a self-compiled manager

17:56 <MTughan> Or not.

18:02 <MTughan> What the... "An unhandled exception has occurred." This is in the installer.

18:02 <PovAddict> ...

18:02 <PovAddict> go memtest your machine

18:03 <MTughan> Memtest caused a reboot.

18:04 <PovAddict> at this point it's obvious it's all gnome's fault, right? :)

18:04 <MTughan> XP runs fine.

18:05 <Tank_Master> maybe xp isnt as sensitive to memory errors?

18:05 <Tank_Master> I know vista is more sensitive than XP

18:09 <MTughan> Could also be that it happened when I tried setting Rawhide online as a repo, but not Internet connection is present.

18:10 <MTughan> Nope, just happened again...

18:10 <PovAddict> what did?

18:10 <MTughan> Exception on install. Different place.

18:11 <PovAddict> memtest?

18:11 <MTughan> No, anaconda. Gonna try another memtest.

18:12 <MTughan> Memtest rebooted again... Crud.

18:15 <MTughan> Yeah, as I thought... I only have one DIMM installed.

18:16 <MTughan> Looks fine, but that doesn't tell me anything. It's PC3-8500.

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18:21 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, i got that database stuff all figured out, was pretty easy :)

18:22 <MTughan> F*ck! Bootloader's gone!

18:23 <xcamel> you're just having a really bad day...

18:24 <MTughan> I'll see if I can get F8 installed again... That'll bring the bootloader back.

18:25 <PovAddict> &tiny http://www.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23metalink

18:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5jc7pp> (at www.mibbit.com)

18:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://tinyurl.com/6eluuo

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18:31 <MTughan> Got through configuration in the install fine... Now to see if it'll install.

18:34 <MTughan> Packages installing...

18:34 <MTughan> Maybe taking longer than I might like, but it's going.

18:36 <MTughan> I think I'll have to replace the memory at some point anyway, to a 4GB dual channel kit.

18:37 <CoderForLife> congrats Soul_keeper

18:37 <MTughan> Hmm?

18:37 <CoderForLife> glad I could tell you about "split"

18:37 <MTughan> Oh...

18:37 <MTughan> For reason, I read that comment as by Pov, not SK... :P

18:37 <MTughan> For some*

18:38 * MTughan isn't thinking straight

18:39 <MTughan> Uh... Tank_Master: Is it just me, or do you think this kit is meant for Nehalem chipsets? http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?do=ShowProduct&cmd=pd&pid=020538&cid=RAM.346.539

18:39 <Romulus> Title: Canada Computers - Memory > Desktop Memory > DDR3 1600 PC3-12800+ : OCZ (OCZ3G1600LV6GK) DDR3 PC3-12800 1600 MHz Gold XTC Triple Channel Kits 6GB (3x2048MB) T/C. (at www.canadacomputers.com)

18:39 <MTughan> A triple channel RAM kit.

18:40 <MTughan> Patriot's got two of those kits too.

18:45 <MTughan> Installation's still continuing... 986 of 1051 packages installed.

18:46 <MTughan> Install successful!

18:46 <MTughan> &monologue

18:46 <Romulus> MTughan: Your current monologue is at least 10 lines long.

18:47 <MTughan> I never thought I'd say this... But I've never been so glad to see the Windows XP logo fade up from black.

18:50 <MTughan> Good, wireless is up and BOINC is crunching.

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19:02 <CoderForLife> Google Maps has screwed up my street

19:02 <CoderForLife> grr

19:02 <Soul_keeper> lol

19:03 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, join #linuxsociety and check out my script

19:03 <CoderForLife> makes getting distances from home to destinations for reimbursement and charity mileage purposes difficult

19:04 * CoderForLife turns to the Dark Side maps.live.com

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19:04 <PovAddict> :O

19:04 <MTughan> CFL: Does MapQuest do directions?

19:05 <CoderForLife> dunno - I never found MapQuest very, um, "satisfying"

19:06 <CoderForLife> 17.2 miles to the museum

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19:54 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:54 <efc> Moo

19:56 * efc listens to Grass Roots CD

19:56 * KathrynM yawnws

19:56 <KathrynM> and yawns too

19:57 <CoderForLife> Grass Roots?  Hmm...  Temptation Eyes

19:57 <xcamel> bbl..

19:58 * efc has plan to play Midnight Confession while certain lady at work is in the car but is not going to reveal that publically to you.

19:59 * efc needs a new car

20:18 * CoderForLife needs a new drug

20:18 <CoderForLife> I'm off - gn folks

20:18 <efc> Night CFL

20:19 <CoderForLife> cya efc

20:20 <efc> WTF is this crap on tv?

20:21 <MTughan> efc: Reality shows?

20:21 <efc> 3 channels of Obamavision!

20:21 <PovAddict> that's redundant efc

20:21 <PovAddict> crap on tv

20:21 <MTughan> Oh, is his ad on tonight? Suckers!

20:22 <efc> I'm Missing Knight Rider

20:36 <Tank_Master> MTughan - yes, that kit is ment for the nehalems~

20:37 <MTughan> Isn't it a little early?

20:37 <Tank_Master> few weeks

20:37 <MTughan> There's none in stock ATM anyway, so it may have just been added to the DB. But I remember reading about QPI and that it replaced dual-channel memory with triple-channel memory, so that caught my eye.

20:38 <Tank_Master> yeah, the nehalems are trippel channel

20:39 <Tank_Master> up to 12GB I think

20:39 <Tank_Master> (for mobos with 6 slots)

20:39 <MTughan> More than that once the 4GB sticks come out. 24GB.

20:39 <MTughan> You can already get some DDR2 4GB sticks.

20:39 <Tank_Master> I dont thing they can suppor t24, though I could be wrong

20:40 <Tank_Master> do they support 16 now?

20:40 <Tank_Master> or is it still 8?

20:40 <MTughan> I don't know. I would think that would be a chipset or processor limitation, not a MB limitation.

20:40 <Tank_Master> its a chipset limitation

20:41 <MTughan> Only chipset for Nehalem at this point then is the X58. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_X58

20:41 <Romulus> Title: Intel X58 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

20:41 <Tank_Master> processor can support 16 exta bytes or soemthing like that

20:41 <MTughan> Wait... X58 doesn't have a memory interface. That's on the processor now.

20:42 <Tank_Master> yeah

20:43 <Tank_Master> I see kingston also just releases tripple RAM solutions

20:44 <Tank_Master> daym, 3GB 2GHz RAM

20:44 <Tank_Master> 3x1GB

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20:56 <MTughan> Wow... Kingston makes some really high voltage RAM.

20:57 <MTughan> Notice all the triple-channel kits are 1.65V though, the max Core i7 can handle.

21:02 <xcamel> back again

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21:02 <MTughan> So is he.

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21:09 <PovAddict> back

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21:24 <Tank_Master> ib

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21:28 <xcamel> arf

21:29 <efc> Yo

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21:38 * xcamel yawns

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21:57 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:09 <zombie67> MT?

22:09 <Romulus> MT is right, zombie67

22:10 <MTughan> F off Rommie.

22:10 <zombie67> Question for ya.

22:10 <zombie67> I want to copy my itunes library from one mac to another.

22:10 <zombie67> looking for the fastest method.

22:11 <zombie67> I could do it over ethernet

22:11 <zombie67> or FW

22:11 <zombie67> or USB (I think)

22:11 <MTughan> Just a standard file copy. Gigabit Ethernet will be the fastest.

22:11 <MTughan> Then FW800, FW400, then USB2.0

22:11 <PovAddict> as long as the .xml with the metadata goes in too...

22:12 <MTughan> If he just adds the songs via iTunes at the other end, he doesn't need to.

22:12 <MTughan> Like if he wants to merge one library with another, copying the XML will overwrite the first library.

22:12 <zombie67> I did this once using the iTunes "import" function.  It got all the musicover, but none of the ratings or playlists

22:12 <MTughan> Ah yeah... You'd have to do some XML copying for that.

22:12 <zombie67> so I am going to do it over, and just copy the whole dir

22:13 <MTughan> Are you replacing the library on the other computer?

22:13 <MTughan> Or creating it for the first time?

22:13 <zombie67> yes

22:13 <zombie67> uh

22:13 <zombie67> what's the diff?

22:13 <zombie67> recall I just did a clean install of leopard on my laptop

22:13 <PovAddict> if you copy the whole dir, the XML would go along

22:13 <MTughan> One version, a library exists that you want to get rid of. Second, it doesn't exist at all. Both have the same method.

22:13 <zombie67> now I need to add back the music

22:14 <MTughan> So just copy the whole folder in place, and everything will go. As Pov said.

22:14 <PovAddict> iTunes completely quit on both, of course

22:14 <zombie67> anyway, I started off the first time over wi-fi.  Let it run over night, when I woke up in the morning, it was only about 10% complete

22:14 <MTughan> Well, just on the destination would be req'd, but on the source too would be good.

22:14 <PovAddict> LOL

22:14 <MTughan> How much music do you have?

22:14 <PovAddict> 40GB+ from what I remember he said

22:14 <zombie67> lemme look

22:15 <MTughan> I believe that with gigabit Ethernet, the bottleneck for transferring files isn't the connection anymore, but the HDs or the packet encoding.

22:16 <PovAddict> with 100mbit the HD was a bottleneck too, a few years ago

22:16 <zombie67> 43gb

22:16 <PovAddict> now HD speed caught up

22:16 <zombie67> good memory

22:16 <MTughan> Means that you can probably copy close to 100MB/s with 1000Mb/s connection.

22:16 <MTughan> Means 430 minutes with that estimate, or about 7 hours.

22:16 <zombie67> so then, I hooked it directly with ethernet (no router), and it finished in half a day

22:17 <MTughan> Wow... Didn't realize I'd be that close.

22:17 <zombie67> so I was wondering if FW800 would be faster

22:17 <zombie67> I think I am hitting the speed of the drives

22:17 <zombie67> the laptop is a 5400 RPM version

22:17 <MTughan> Gigabit ethernet is probably faster than FW800.

22:18 <MTughan> All depends on whether 1000Mb/s for the ethernet is peak or stream. FireWire can stream at 800Mb/s.

22:19 <zombie67> my guess is I won't see a measurable difference.

22:19 <MTughan> Probably not.

22:19 <zombie67> and I am not sure I have a FW800 cable

22:20 <zombie67> okay, thanks for the help

22:20 <zombie67> you to pov

22:21 <PovAddict> going to sleep

22:21 <PovAddict> which obviously means

22:21 <MTughan> Seeya.

22:21 <PovAddict> Ubuntu 8.10 will be released in 10 minutes

22:21 <MTughan> 10:30PM EDT?

22:21 <MTughan> EST*

22:21 <PovAddict> there is no set date

22:21 <PovAddict> I mean according to Murphy

22:21 <PovAddict> if I go to sleep now, it will be out in 2 minutes

22:22 <MTughan> oic

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22:30 <zombie67> how far will 1000mb ethernet go?

22:30 <PovAddict> 1000 megabits per second

22:30 <zombie67> far, not fast

22:30 <MTughan> You mean physical length?

22:30 <zombie67> si

22:30 <PovAddict> depends on cable quality :)

22:30 <MTughan> I believe 15m? One sec...

22:31 <PovAddict> you can go quite far with 1GB fiber optic I'd guess :DDD

22:31 <MTughan> Oh, 5e is designed to go at least 100m.

22:32 <MTughan> Same for Cat6.

22:32 <zombie67> okay, my 50' will work just fine then

22:33 <zombie67> thanks

22:33 <MTughan> Oh yeah, 50' is well within specs.

22:33 <MTughan> &math convert 50 ft to m

22:33 <Romulus> MTughan: 15.24

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22:37 <zombie_67> sorry

22:37 <zombie_67> when I did the direct ethernet connection to my big mac, the change in IP messed with my irc client

22:38 <MTughan> I've done that a few times....

22:38 <zombie_67> macs are smart, and will always use the fastest connection by default, and ethernet is faster than wifi

22:39 <MTughan> No, there's an order you can set in System preferences. I believe wired is higher by default.

22:39 <MTughan> But you can set wireless to take higher precedence over wired.

22:39 <zombie_67> yes

22:39 <zombie_67> like I said, by default

22:40 <zombie_67> you can change that by dragging

22:41 <zombie_67> but in any case for this, i WANTED the wired connection

22:42 <zombie_67> man!  VNC is so much faster

22:42 <MTughan> Heh.

22:42 <MTughan> Gigabit compared to wireless-G?

22:42 <zombie_67> yeah.  But I also have 3 bridge wi-fi routers

22:43 <zombie_67> I think with every bridge added, speed drops by half

22:43 <zombie_67> not sure about that

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22:45 <zombie_67> okay, right off, it estimates it will take "about 5 hours"

22:47 <zombie_67> 100mb in 12 sec....

22:48 <zombie_67> wow...estimating about an hour

22:49 <zombie_67> this is going WAY faster than before, even when hard wired

22:50 <zombie_67> the only difference is that I transitioned mid-transfer from wifi to cable

22:50 <zombie_67> and I am not sure I turned off the wifi before

22:50 <zombie_67> I wonder if it was getting confused somehow.

22:51 <zombie_67> because while it got much faster, it still took half a day.  And this will be done in an hour

22:52 <zombie_67> according to menumeters, I am at a sustained 12MB/sec

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23:59 <zombie_67> all done

23:59 <zombie_67> for a while now

23:59 <zombie_67> I missed the actual completion

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