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00:30 <Tank_Master> so
00:30 <Tank_Master> did I miss Nickow again?
00:30 <MTughan> Chuck is in #rieselsieve.
00:31 <MTughan> And no, you didn't miss Nick.
00:32 <Tank_Master> oh well
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00:50 <simpson> how to report finished task ?
00:51 <Tank_Master> wait and it will do it eventually
00:52 <simpson> ok thank you Tank lol
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04:12 <CoderForLife> morning any and all
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04:17 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
04:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 44.6°F / 7.0°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.28in / 1025.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 70. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast after midnight.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper (1 more message)
04:17 <CoderForLife> &more
04:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.;
04:17 <CoderForLife> going to be a nice weekend
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05:19 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan
05:19 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 60Â°F / 16Â°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM KST; Scattered Clouds. High:66 ° F. / 19 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:71 ° F. / 22 ° C.; Overcast. Low:50 ° F. / 10 ° C.; Overcast. High:68 ° F. / 20 ° C.; Clear. Low:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.;
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05:50 <MTughan> Is the 64-bit version of Linux really crappy with the benchmarks, or is 64-bit harder on the benchmarks?
05:50 <MTughan> Both the floating point and integer ratings are cut in half from XP 32-bit to 64-bit Linux.
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06:08 <FreeLarry58> morn all
06:08 <FreeLarry58> new printer installing fine on all windows machines with exception of --- you guessed it -- vista machine
06:09 <FreeLarry58> lan based printer
06:11 <FreeLarry58> vista so bad that windows 7 isn't even a consideration currently
06:15 <FreeLarry58> can't even try to uninstall drivers as machine keeps crashing
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06:16 <FreeLarry58> DerMeister you got an elephant gun i can borrow for target practice on my vista machine
06:18 <MTughan> 'lo FL
06:18 <DerMeister> Sorry, no weapons around here :)
06:19 <FreeLarry58> 'llo MTughan
06:19 <FreeLarry58> dang will have to be satisfied by running it over the table saw a few times
06:19 * FreeLarry58 ooohhh wait theres the double bitted axe also
06:20 <MTughan> How about a sledgehammer?
06:20 <FreeLarry58> not enoung splatter when going thru the case - just smashes them
06:21 <FreeLarry58> vista needs a good send off -- two cases of tnt under machine wired to bsd
06:22 <FreeLarry58> doubt there would be a vista machine in operation after one day
06:29 <FreeLarry58> humm what would linux need to operate a lan based laser printer
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06:34 <FreeLarry58> humm first cant seem to get vista to stay running now cant seem to finish shutting down
06:35 <FreeLarry58> well to bed before i get too much more aggravated
06:35 <FreeLarry58> lt it crash while i sleep - have good night and great weekend all
06:57 <FreeLarry58> well two attempts to install the software and two failures for scan driver on printer
07:00 <FreeLarry58> at least the print function works
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08:13 <xcamel> 'lo
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09:12 <CoderForLife> morning - back from the store
09:13 <CoderForLife> are seti downloads broken?
09:13 <xcamel> dunno..
09:14 <CoderForLife> at least 14 downloads in progress with no progress
09:22 <xcamel> hmmm..
09:22 <CoderForLife> Drudge: ZOGBY: MCCAIN MOVES INTO LEAD 48-47 IN ONE DAY POLLING
09:37 <CoderForLife> seem to have lost sound for YouTube videos - I'm going to apply these 'doze updates and reboot
09:39 <CoderForLife> whatis windows
09:39 <CoderForLife> er
09:39 <CoderForLife> &whatis windows
09:39 <Romulus> CoderForLife: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.2.19_windows_intelx86.exe
09:51 <CoderForLife> ok - here goes the reboot
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09:59 <CoderForLife> re-hi
10:01 <CoderForLife> bbl
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11:25 <Tank_Master> ib
11:46 <xcamel> back again
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11:48 <Tank_Master> wb
11:51 <xcamel> picking away at the things that need to be done before saturday
12:01 <Tank_Master> before today?
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13:36 <MTughan> Holy crap... That's why BOINC's crunching so slowly! My 2.53GHz processor is running at 800MHz!
13:38 <Tank_Master> heh
13:38 <Tank_Master> might be a clue
13:39 <MTughan> Well, I was comparing the benchmarks from before and after. In XP, they were 2500fp and ~5000int. In Linux, they were 1500fp and ~2500int.
13:39 <MTughan> That's basically a halving of the benchmarks.
13:39 <Tank_Master> sounds about right
13:40 <MTughan> Now the other thing... I'm not sure if the figure I saw was CPU freq or FSB freq... Both are higher.
13:42 <Tank_Master> could the CPU be throtteling back?
13:42 <MTughan> And I was just comparing an ABC WU to another computer that crunched it, a Q6600. The quad crunched it over twice as fast. That's impossible, even with overclocking.
13:43 <MTughan> Yeah, that's what it is. I just don't know why ATM.
13:43 <Tank_Master> you using a 64bit SO?
13:43 <Tank_Master> OS*
13:43 <Tank_Master> cus perhaps the other guy was
13:44 <MTughan> Yes, Linux x86_64.
13:45 <Tank_Master> ahh, then yeah, the 6600 should be 2x faster
13:45 <Tank_Master> unless they are using faze cooling or something :P
13:45 <Tank_Master> ill brb, gotta restart
13:45 <MTughan> No, it should just crunch 2x the WUs. It shouldn't be 2x faster.
13:45 <MTughan> K.
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13:53 <MTughan> There, now running at full speed.
13:54 <MTughan> 2522fp, 7113int... Damn, that's nice.
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13:58 <Tank_Master> ib
14:03 <MTughan> Got it working.
14:04 <MTughan> Turns out it's a misconfigured speed scaling daemon. I'll see what I can do about it later, but for now I've turned it off.
14:04 <Tank_Master> sweet
14:04 <Tank_Master> good
14:05 <MTughan> Only thing is I've had two ABC WUs fail with computation errors... Not sure why.
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14:05 <MTughan> SIGSEGV.
14:08 <Tank_Master> ABC's app is rather stable
14:09 <MTughan> I've posted to ABC's forums.
14:12 <xcamel> back agin
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14:16 <Tank_Master> wb
14:17 <xcamel> took a short trip down a long ladder earlier...
14:17 <MTughan> Oops.
14:17 <Tank_Master> fun times, no?
14:18 <xcamel> I bounced, gently
14:18 <xcamel> still have all my parts..
14:18 <MTughan> That's good.
14:19 <xcamel> gotta love genetic engineering... (different topic)
14:20 <Tank_Master> thats not blue
14:20 <Tank_Master> thats lavender
14:22 <xcamel> one gene from a petunia
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14:41 <efc> moo
14:41 <Tank_Master> yo
14:41 <Tank_Master> yoyoyo
14:55 * efc shoulda got a 16 port switch
14:56 * efc shoulda got that stack of 10 24 port hubs!
14:59 <Tank_Master> heh
15:00 <Tank_Master> to bad I got rid of 3 24 port hubs, eh?
15:03 <efc> Oh the pain!
15:04 <efc> Ethernet probably isn't the most economical way for mass low speed connectivity anyway
15:04 <efc> USB cheaper to build
15:05 <Tank_Master> I wouldnt think so, but I dunno how much a large USB hub costs
15:07 <efc> i mean on the device side
15:07 <Tank_Master> ahh
15:07 <efc> ethernet devices aren't completely brain dead
15:07 <efc> on the other hand USB drivers are harder to write
15:07 <efc> but the USB hardware is pretty close to brain dead
15:07 <Tank_Master> you can get a layer3 switch
15:07 <Tank_Master> but those are spendy
15:08 <efc> What do those do for you?
15:09 <efc> I'm sort of ignorant on networking outside of fairly small LAN
15:09 <Tank_Master> more intelegent routing
15:09 <Tank_Master> better packet filtering (of bad or misshaped packets)
15:09 <efc> I assume at some point you hit a limitation on the number of switches that can be chained together simply
15:09 <Tank_Master> no
15:10 <Tank_Master> its just a bandwith limitation
15:10 <Tank_Master> not a numbers limitation
15:11 <efc> There's a limit on number of hubs that can be chained due to propagation time, but not on switches? Cuz they do store & forward?
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15:11 <Tank_Master> theres 3 ways to route
15:12 <Tank_Master> storn forward is the lowest, but cateches the most bad packets
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15:12 <Tank_Master> cus it looks at the entier packet
15:12 <Tank_Master> but the quickets jsut looks at the header and send it along
15:12 <efc> Right, and that would also solve the propagation time problem
15:13 <Tank_Master> even before the entire packet has arrived
15:13 <Tank_Master> but it also sends along bad packets
15:14 <efc> ah "Cut through"
15:15 <Tank_Master> something like that
15:15 <Tank_Master> theres a 3rd, but I forget how it works
15:16 <efc> It seems like the the to send a packet cannot exceed the worst case propagation time through the collision domain, otherwise, you can't detect a collision before the packet is out the door
15:16 <Tank_Master> switches dont have collisions
15:16 <efc> Thats the reason for the limitation on chained hubs
15:17 <Tank_Master> yeah
15:17 <Tank_Master> hubs arent intelegent at all
15:19 <efc> so modern ethernet is basically collision-less..
15:19 <efc> Which kinda makes it not much like ethernet
15:21 <Tank_Master> hubs send the same info down every channel
15:22 <Tank_Master> thats why they hav colissions
15:22 <Tank_Master> switches know which channels to send the packets down and dont send it down all ports/channels
15:23 <efc> Yeah, so if everybody uses switches everywhere, then basically no collisions anymore? Assuming everybody can do full duplex without causing collisions
15:23 <Tank_Master> yeah
15:23 <PovAddict> I don't even know what you mean with "collisions"
15:23 <Tank_Master> even half duplex
15:23 <Tank_Master> PovAddict - happens when 2 comps talk at once
15:23 <Tank_Master> the eletrical signel gets canceled out
15:24 <Tank_Master> and none of the devices are able to read it
15:24 <DerMeister> The same problem exists for wireless lan.
15:24 <Tank_Master> yeah
15:24 <Tank_Master> true
15:24 <DerMeister> But it's more complicated there
15:24 <efc> Pov: Old school ethernet, each interface has a collision detector, if it detects a collision, it shuts up and waits a pseudorandom amount of time before sending again
15:25 * PovAddict installs SP3 on his other machine
15:25 <PovAddict> I noticed it was running BOINC 5.10.20
15:25 <DerMeister> Just google for CSMACD. There should be plenty of explanations for it around
15:25 <Tank_Master> or wiki
15:26 <efc> I was just wondering, if there's no more collisions since everybody is on switches, then the hardware can be a lot dumber
15:27 <Tank_Master> no, theres no collisions because the devices are smarter
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15:27 <Tank_Master> they know where to send the packets instead of blidly sending it out every port
15:27 <MTughan> The switches. I think he means all the other hardware doesn't have to be.
15:27 <MTughan> Like the end devices.
15:27 <Tank_Master> ahh, well they still do
15:27 <Tank_Master> cus of backwards compatibility
15:28 <Tank_Master> theres no way afaik to know if its pluged into a switch or a hub
15:30 <KathrynM> PovAddict, ping
15:30 <PovAddict> pong
15:30 <KathrynM> can you answer that?
15:31 <Tank_Master> KathrynM!
15:31 <KathrynM> or at least translate :)
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15:31 <PovAddict> looks like the good old problem of missing the MSI of the currently-installed version
15:31 <KathrynM> fun
15:32 <Tank_Master> yeah
15:32 <Tank_Master> pov's right
15:33 <Tank_Master> the msi file is missing in the uninstall folder
15:33 <Tank_Master> so he cant uninstall the old version
15:33 <KathrynM> at 4 am, my eyes just glazed over trying to pull HS SPanish out of my brain
15:33 <PovAddict> so what's the solution? reinstall from the old version's exe frst?
15:34 <Tank_Master> I usualy hack the registry
15:34 <PovAddict> yeah right
15:34 <PovAddict> let's tell the noob to hack his registry
15:34 <MTughan> That darn registry...
15:34 <KathrynM> the msi clean up utility
15:34 <MTughan> rofl
15:34 <PovAddict> that will go sooo well
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15:34 <Tank_Master> delete it out of the uninstall folder, so windows doesnt think its been installed
15:34 <Tank_Master> abd BOINC will install ontop just fine
15:35 <Tank_Master> but I gotget now where its located in there
15:35 <Tank_Master> I havent needed to do it in so long
15:35 <PovAddict> if you make BOINC 6.x think 5.x has never been installed before, maybe it don't do migration... so I don't think that's a good idea
15:35 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You seriously need to learn touch typing or need a new keyboard. :P
15:35 <Tank_Master> heh
15:36 <Tank_Master> or to look at the screen when typing instead of the keyboard
15:36 <Tank_Master> they didnt teach us that in skool
15:36 <MTughan> That's touch typing.
15:36 <Tank_Master> ahh
15:36 <MTughan> They sort of taught me that in school, but I didn't learn it until I started programming.
15:36 <Tank_Master> never heard it referd that way
15:37 <PovAddict> can't be bothered to explain to him how to solve a problem *I* never had before
15:37 <PovAddict> I posted a link to the FAQ
15:38 <Romulus> Title: Touch typing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:38 <KathrynM> thanks pov
15:39 <KathrynM> and back to bed for me
15:39 <efc> I failed at that but I have succeeded at Touch-Clicking
15:39 <efc> I hardly ever have to look at the mouse
15:39 <MTughan> lol
15:39 <PovAddict> BOINC FAQ should be a wiki...
15:39 <PovAddict> mice need more buttons
15:39 <MTughan> I have 5 or 6 buttons on this mouse.
15:40 <efc> Did you see the Pirate keyboard?
15:40 <MTughan> No.
15:40 <PovAddict> technically I have 7 buttons on mine... at least that's how X sees it
15:40 <PovAddict> left click, right click, middle click (pressing mouse wheel); that's three
15:41 <MTughan> I also have forward and back buttons on the side of the mouse.
15:41 <PovAddict> as far as X is concerned, the scroll wheel is a pair of buttons (up and down); that's two more
15:41 <MTughan> Oh... That makes my mouse at least a 9 button mouse then.
15:41 <MTughan> Maybe I should look into that.
15:41 <PovAddict> then, my scroll wheel can also be tilted horizontally (which are physically buttons), usually used for horizontal scrolling but I configured it to change between desktops :)
15:42 <MTughan> Horiz scrolling here too. I also have res changers which I believe are passed to the system, but they're also handled on the mouse.
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15:48 <MTughan> Ah yeah... Forgot about that one. :P
15:52 <xcamel> hoo-haa
15:52 <Tank_Master> hi achmead
15:53 <Tank_Master> you still arent a terrifing terrorest
15:53 <Tank_Master> ;)
15:55 <Romulus> Title: UserFriendly Strip Comments (at ars.userfriendly.org)
15:58 <Tank_Master> &xkcd
16:02 <Tank_Master> &cad
16:04 <xcamel> turned out to be a pretty nice day..
16:08 <CoderForLife> re-hi
16:09 <CoderForLife> half of the weekend to-dos are done
16:09 <Tank_Master> congratz
16:11 <CoderForLife> thx
16:12 <CoderForLife> looking forward to some din-din
16:12 <Tank_Master> hehe
16:24 <Tank_Master> fun times these political traditions are
16:24 <PovAddict> or not
16:25 <Tank_Master> more not
16:25 <CoderForLife> more or
16:26 <Tank_Master> more or not
16:26 <PovAddict> not
16:26 <Tank_Master> or
16:29 <Tank_Master> I cant believe theres alreadt 39 updates to XP sp3
16:30 <Tank_Master> I dont think theres been that meny total for server 2008
16:32 <PovAddict> new printers seem to be optimized for high ink waste
16:33 <PovAddict> which means you have to buy ink more frequently, which is the real business of printer makers
16:33 <CoderForLife> hmm
16:34 <PovAddict> the printers are given away... the real money is on the ink
16:34 <CoderForLife> I try to file a DoNotCall complaint regarding a call to my cell phone, and they say my number is not registered - I *know* I registered it
16:34 <PovAddict> (like with cellphones... they give them away as long as you pay a small fortune a month for the service)
16:36 <CoderForLife> must.. go.. eat.. something..
16:36 <CoderForLife> bbl
16:36 <PovAddict> this new printer also has a scanner
16:36 <Tank_Master> same with consol games
16:36 <Tank_Master> they sell the consols at a lost and make up for it with the games
16:36 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yeah
16:37 <PovAddict> but the problem here is printers seem intentionally wasting ink..
16:37 <PovAddict> this new printer is one of those "3-in-1" that are really 2-in-1 (the "copy" feature is the "scan" feature followed by the "print" feature, DUH)
16:38 <PovAddict> its scanner sucks
16:38 <Tank_Master> lol
16:38 <PovAddict> scan is bad quality, and the user interface to do scans is *really* bad quality
16:38 <PovAddict> my old Canon scanner kicks its ass any day
16:40 <Tank_Master> not supprising
16:41 <PovAddict> its OOBE was crap as well
16:43 <Tank_Master> usually is
16:44 <PovAddict> took my dad a while to notice there was a *transparent* tape not letting the printer head move
16:44 <PovAddict> they could have used the same bright yellow tape that is on the ink cartridges...
16:47 <PovAddict> took me a while to figure out how to load paper!
16:48 <Tank_Master> lol
16:48 <PovAddict> the plastic thing that holds paper on the side was right in the middle, so I didn't notice what it really was
16:48 <PovAddict> of course then it was a pain to move it to the left edge too
16:49 <Tank_Master> corse
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16:58 <Rookie_69> Dishes, laundry, cooking... When I win the lottery, I think I'll buy a wife... or maybe just a maid.That sounds cheaper.
16:58 <Soul_keeper> :)
17:01 <Rookie_69> I had to wash a bunch of dishes just to make enough room in the sink to wash the pot I wanted to cook dinner in.
17:01 <Rookie_69> ... and if I want to wear socks tomorrow, laundry needs laundering.
17:02 <efc> Maids are more fun
17:02 <Rookie_69> Oh... and it feels like a mule kicked me in the chest...
17:03 <Rookie_69> Other than that, life's great.
17:03 <Rookie_69> Especially one in a french maid costume.
17:04 <Soul_keeper> my favorite mouse broke
17:05 <Soul_keeper> razer copperhead
17:05 <Rookie_69> My favorite me is broke too.
17:05 <Rookie_69> ... but my auto insurance is finally paid.
17:06 <PovAddict> <dsully> please describe web 2.0 to me in 2 sentences or less.
17:06 <PovAddict> <jwb> you make all the content. they keep all the revenue.
17:06 <Tank_Master> lol
17:06 <Soul_keeper> http://www.amazon.com/Razer-Lachesis-Laser-Gaming-Mous-Banshee/dp/B000WU35JQ i gotta save up for that now
17:09 <Rookie_69> The comps at work still use male mice... they have balls under them. What a pain.
17:10 <Soul_keeper> yeah i don't need 9 buttons, heck all i really need is a fully functional wheel and the 2 standard buttons, but ohh well
17:10 <Tank_Master> they have mroe than one ball?
17:11 <PovAddict> stereo
17:11 <Rookie_69> Monogonadic...
17:12 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Why do you need a Razer mouse?
17:12 <Soul_keeper> i just want the latest and greatest
17:12 <Rookie_69> Cool blue instead of hot red.
17:13 <Soul_keeper> i've got a G7 logitech but i don't too much like the cordless
17:13 <Soul_keeper> i broke the G7 too
17:13 <Tank_Master> howd you break it?
17:13 <Soul_keeper> but i fixed it, had to solder a new button sensor on the pcb
17:13 <Rookie_69> I usually prefer the latest and greatest $9 one.
17:13 <MTughan> The G5 is similar and corded if you were looking for something like that, but the Razer's are higher end, yeah.
17:13 <Soul_keeper> i wear them out
17:13 <Soul_keeper> i click too much i guess
17:14 <Soul_keeper> i got used to the razer copperhead, was a nice mouse
17:14 <MTughan> I used a Logitech MX700 for 4 years, only problems I ever had with it was that the power connections seem to be slightly maligned.
17:14 <Soul_keeper> didn't like it when i first got it because of the weird shape, but after awhile all other mice seem weird
17:15 <Soul_keeper> http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/mice_pointers/mice/devices/3053&cl=us,en that mouse just looks stupid
17:16 <Rookie_69> Most of those weird shaped ones are built for right-handed people though.
17:16 <MTughan> Yeah, I wouldn't go for the G9.
17:17 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153017 i'm going to get this when i get the chance
17:17 <Soul_keeper> blue lights match my case and keyboard :)
17:18 <MTughan> I have a set of Razer Piranha's here. Best set of headphones I've owned.
17:19 <Tank_Master> I use sennheiser HD555 headphones
17:20 <Rookie_69> ... I have a razor in the bathroom that I don't use often enough, but that's about it.
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17:21 <Soul_keeper> :)
17:22 <Tank_Master> heh
17:22 <Soul_keeper> they have "how it's made: razors" on the science channel right now lol
17:22 <Tank_Master> LOL
17:23 <Soul_keeper> the glider pads wore off the bottom of my G7
17:23 <Soul_keeper> just plastic now
17:24 <Soul_keeper> ttyl
17:24 <Rookie_69> That'll teach you to use a sandpaper mousepad.
17:24 <Tank_Master> c-ya saenger
17:25 <Tank_Master> c-ya Soul_keeper
17:25 <Tank_Master> lol
17:25 <Tank_Master> sorry saenger
17:27 <xcamel> Sennheiser, then bose
17:28 <Tank_Master> bose?
17:28 <Romulus> Somebody said bose is typically underpowered and over priced, Tank_Master
17:28 <Tank_Master> that would be me, Romulus
17:28 <Tank_Master> bose - boy our shyts expensive
17:28 <Tank_Master> :P
17:30 <Romulus> Title: MillionNumbers.com - We're Giving Away One Million Numbers! (at millionnumbers.com)
17:31 <Tank_Master> LOL
17:32 <Tank_Master> sad, real sad
17:32 <PovAddict> the sad thing is the people *selling* them
17:32 <Tank_Master> no
17:32 <PovAddict> see the links in the first sentence
17:32 <PovAddict> "You've probably seen other's trying to sell you numbers at premium rates."
17:33 <Tank_Master> its that people are *buing( them
17:33 <Tank_Master> *
17:33 <PovAddict> heh someone's "owner's statement" for number 141664
17:33 <PovAddict> "4^0, 4^1, 4^2, 4^3"
17:34 <Rookie_69> I hope they're not trying to sell my #69...
17:34 <Tank_Master> #69 is the most popular number sold
17:34 <PovAddict> &echo [math calc 4**0] [math calc 4**1] [math calc 4**2] [math calc 4**3]
17:34 <Romulus> 1 4 16 64
17:34 <Tank_Master> supprised its not 666
17:34 <PovAddict> 666 is owned by "Diablo"
17:35 <PovAddict> URL www.whitehouse.gov
17:35 <PovAddict> o_O
17:35 <Tank_Master> lol
17:40 <saenger> whitehouse.org would be better methinks ;)
17:41 <Tank_Master> hi saenger
17:41 <saenger> just "purchased" the postal code of my home village
17:41 <Tank_Master> lol
17:41 <PovAddict> LOL saenger
17:41 <Romulus> Title: #31079, owned by Wrisbergholzen - MillionNumbers.com (at millionnumbers.com)
17:49 <CoderForLife> back post-dinner
17:50 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.
17:51 <CoderForLife> hello Glenn
17:51 * Rookie_69 wonders when he put the dead pig in the oven.
17:51 <Tank_Master> after you kill it
17:52 * Rookie_69 wonders how long his dead pig has been in the oven...
17:52 <Tank_Master> heh
17:53 <Tank_Master> thats the real q, eh?
17:53 * Rookie_69 is getting a bit peckish.
17:54 <Rookie_69> As long as the spuds aren't too crunchy, I'm ok with whatever comes out.
17:55 <Rookie_69> ... I have to be.
18:00 <Rookie_69> I'm ready for bed... I wish my stuff was.
18:07 <CoderForLife> we're going to have a fire tonight in the chiminea, and sit out on the deck - we haven't done that this year yet
18:08 <Rookie_69> Am I invited?.. It's only a twenty hour drive or so...
18:09 <Rookie_69> Oh yeah... There's a border crossing involved.
18:11 <Rookie_69> Six months of paperwork before I even dare come close to the border these days.
18:14 <xcamel> still considered AWOL from the military?
18:16 <Rookie_69> That was my brother... I'm just a Dangerous Criminal.
18:16 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.
18:16 <Rookie_69> I was AWOP... Absent Without Pay.
18:18 <Rookie_69> I quit after too many months of my money going... away.
18:22 <Rookie_69> After 14 years, that's still a sore spot.
18:22 * Rookie_69 broods.
18:23 <Rookie_69> Hmm... In two years, I'll have been out as long as I was in...
18:24 <CoderForLife> sure Rookie_69, I'll throw an extra twig on for you
18:25 * CoderForLife looks outside
18:25 <CoderForLife> I have plenty of spare twigs here
18:28 <CoderForLife> I'm going to mosey downstairs, and arrange the deck chairs on the Coder Titanic
18:28 <CoderForLife> gn folks
18:29 <Tank_Master> gn cfl
18:29 <Rookie_69> NN.
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18:32 <Rookie_69> Going to go check laundry again...
18:33 <Tank_Master> hf
18:45 <Rookie_69> Laundry is done therefore pig is done... is that good logic?
18:48 <efc> ran my 3.7 miles
18:48 <Rookie_69> Seems to be so.
18:49 * efc wouldn't mind a whole-pig BBQ tonight
18:49 * Rookie_69 notes that it must be 3.7 miles from police station to Eddie's house.
18:50 * efc cruises the neighborhood slowly in the nondescript white van
18:52 <Rookie_69> Apparently, that's six clicks.
18:52 <xcamel> whole pig?
18:52 <Rookie_69> Just a leg or whatever.
18:52 <efc> There'd be some left for the freezer
18:53 * Tank_Master passes the testicals to Rookie_69
18:53 <efc> Can't get enough of those salty b... nevermind
18:53 <Tank_Master> lol
18:53 * Rookie_69 passes them back.
18:54 <Tank_Master> you took them, no returns
18:55 * Rookie_69 remembers his roommate ordering Prairie Oysters at a restaurant in Alberta many moons ago...
18:59 <Rookie_69> ... it was a Chinese restaurant...
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19:05 <Rookie_69> Dinner is done... Laundry is done... Dishes are partly done... (dishes will dry overnight ((especially the dirty ones))). I'm done.
19:06 <Rookie_69> NN.
19:06 <Tank_Master> gn
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19:06 * xcamel yawns
19:07 <Tank_Master> hey
19:29 <xcamel> Zogby Shocker: McCain Leads Obama In Latest Poll
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19:39 <Tank_Master> zogby?
19:40 <Tank_Master> who the heck is zogby?
19:46 <xcamel> john zogby "respected pollster"
19:46 <xcamel> the IBD/TIPP poll tends to be more accurate
19:51 <xcamel> that has them dead even
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19:53 <Tank_Master> huh
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20:04 <MTughan> Wow... Can a host have a CPID split?
20:06 <Tank_Master> probably
20:07 <MTughan> I think it just happened with yoyo.
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20:46 <xcamel> 'lo Q
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22:31 * Soul_keeper remembers what money looks like
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22:34 <Soul_keeper> ha
22:34 <PovAddict> MTughan: http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_bo_compare_credits_teams_40;86911.gif
22:34 <Tank_Master> wb PA
22:35 <MTughan> Thanks. See, we're catching you.
22:36 <PovAddict> >.<
22:36 <PovAddict> not by too much though
22:36 <MTughan> It's going to be about a month or so.
22:37 <PovAddict> I mean not too much difference in speed
22:37 <PovAddict> wouldn't take too many extra computers to avoid you :)
22:38 <PovAddict> our cr/day: 223,469
22:38 <PovAddict> your cr/day: 273,248
22:38 <PovAddict> it's not like we need twice our current power
22:38 <MTughan> That's just over the last day. cr/month is more accurate.
22:38 <wdsmia> 1420 members compared to 308 you should be catching us
22:39 <MTughan> Means we make about a million more credits every ten days.
22:40 <PovAddict> Pirates@Home once experimented with making teams compete based on the *average* RAC of their users
22:40 <PovAddict> members, that is
22:40 <MTughan> This isn't related to TFFE/UF.org, but I'm just about matching your credit rate now: http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_bo_compare_credits_users_76151;991407.gif
22:40 <zombie67> ouch! http://boincstats.com/charts/chart_uk_szdg_project_active_users.gif
22:40 <PovAddict> the idea was flawed
22:40 <MTughan> And I'll be moving my credit OS over to 64-bit in a couple days. :D
22:41 <Tank_Master> 64bit will help
22:41 <MTughan> zombie67: Why such the big drop? You know?
22:41 <PovAddict> if you look at the average of their members, team founders would kick off the members with slower/less computers to get a higher average!
22:41 <zombie67> their task run time jumped from a couple of hours to several days long
22:41 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Exactly. With two 32-bit OSes ATM, I'm just about matching him. With a 64-bit replacing one of the 32-bits, it means more credits in theory.
22:41 <PovAddict> zombie67: I thought they had just stopped giving work (which would surely make the "users with credit granted" fall down)
22:41 <zombie67> and they didn't up their est. run time.
22:42 <zombie67> nope
22:42 <zombie67> still plenty of work
22:42 <MTughan> Ouch... Bad move, or just didn't see it coming?
22:42 <zombie67> but their server is so old, it won't issue work to win64, or osx64
22:42 <Tank_Master> who wont?
22:42 <zombie67> poor and unresponsive admins
22:42 <PovAddict> we're both doomed :)
22:43 <MTughan> PovAddict: Yeah, well it happens.
22:43 * PovAddict adds zombie67's team
22:44 <PovAddict> we're tiny ants
22:44 <zombie67> hah!
22:44 <zombie67> can you compare your teams to just me?
22:44 <PovAddict> no, can't compare teams and members
22:45 <zombie67> ;)
22:45 <PovAddict> however you have less than 94 million :)
22:45 <PovAddict> eh, but still too much for comfort >.<
22:45 <MTughan> And I've been thinking about getting a PS3...
22:45 <PovAddict> 23 million? insane
22:45 <PovAddict> MTughan: you just want to beat me baaadly
22:46 <MTughan> No, I was more credits. They average 4000RAC.
22:46 <MTughan> want*
22:46 <PovAddict> if only RF was still up... I could easily cheat >:)
22:46 <MTughan> And endure DA's wrath?
22:47 <zombie67> MT, better credit with a CUDA GPU
22:47 <zombie67> I get 12k/day
22:47 <zombie67> cheaper too
22:47 <MTughan> And I don't have a CUDA GPU or a machine to take one.
22:48 <zombie67> what is the cost of 3x PS3s?
22:48 <MTughan> I can match that with 3 PS3's, which cost $1200. Less than a computer.
22:48 <zombie67> you could buy a quad cruncher and GPU for less
22:48 <zombie67> and get the 12k/day for GPU + 3-4 CPUs
22:48 <MTughan> What GPU? Anything worthwhile on CUDA?
22:48 <zombie67> GTX
22:48 <zombie67> 260 or 280
22:49 <zombie67> TM?
22:49 <Romulus> Rumor has it TM is selling a bunch, zombie67
22:49 <MTughan> GTX260 is still ~$400 if I'm not mistaken.
22:49 <zombie67> no
22:49 <zombie67> I bought a OC'd 280 for....lemme look
22:50 <MTughan> $480 for a GTX280.
22:50 <zombie67> $440 for an OC 280
22:50 <MTughan> $300 for a GTX260.
22:50 <PovAddict> if I cared about credits... I have a GPU I could add
22:51 <MTughan> Also... Are you factoring PSU, case, CPU, RAM, and anything else into the cost equation?
22:51 <zombie67> huh, up in price since then. Now 460: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814143144&nm_mc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel&cm_mmc=TEMC-RMA-Approvel-_-Content-_-text-_-N82E16814143144
22:51 <MTughan> I had priced out a machine before. Let me pull up the specs...
22:51 <zombie67> and the 260, does just about as good at GPUGRID
22:51 <PovAddict> but we care about sane code... and the GPU scheduler isn't, so synecdoche doesn't support CUDA
22:51 <zombie67> tank_master
22:52 <Tank_Master> ?
22:52 <zombie67> what is the cost of a quad cruncher?
22:52 <Tank_Master> compleat system?
22:52 <zombie67> less the GPU
22:52 <Soul_keeper> should be able to do it under 500 i'd assume
22:52 <Tank_Master> barebones?
22:52 <PovAddict> if I cared about credits... I'd "infect" more work machines
22:53 <Tank_Master> or with vid card?
22:53 <zombie67> without the vid
22:53 <Tank_Master> for qpugrid
22:53 <Tank_Master> ok
22:53 <zombie67> yes
22:53 <MTughan> 750W PSU, C2Q Q660, 4GB of PC2-8500 RAM, GeForce 9800GTX, and case. $1500 before tax.
22:53 <zombie67> MT, WAY too high!
22:53 <PovAddict> I finally installed lm-sensors
22:53 <PovAddict> 40Â°C
22:53 <PovAddict> to think my Pentium IV was slower, yet 70Â°C :D
22:54 <zombie67> TM, the PSU needs to be big enough to power a GTX
22:54 <PovAddict> 750W not enough!?
22:54 <PovAddict> who will pay the power bills
22:54 <Soul_keeper> 100 psu, 200 cpu, 100 mb, 100 memory, 50 case ....
22:54 <MTughan> Take out the optical drives and downgrade the MB somewhat... $1350.
22:54 <Tank_Master> I got my intel mobo for $70 case for $50 ram is $137 for 4GB HD $50 dvd burner $25, PS $100
22:54 <MTughan> $100PSU? What the heck are you buying?
22:54 <Soul_keeper> antec
22:55 <Tank_Master> some good shyt
22:55 <MTughan> This is $160. PCP&C Silencer 750.
22:55 <zombie67> so, add ~450 for GPU, and you are <$1000
22:55 <PovAddict> the PSU costing half the CPU doesn't make sense to my logical mind
22:55 <Tank_Master> thermaltake 500w
22:55 <PovAddict> but prices are never logical so...
22:55 <zombie67> compared to 3x PS3 for $1200
22:55 <Tank_Master> yes, zombie
22:55 <zombie67> plus you get 3-4 CPU cores for regular crunching
22:56 <PovAddict> and games :P
22:56 <Tank_Master> im gonna wait for the nehalems though
22:56 <zombie67> Plus the power for 3x PS3 is freaking horrible
22:56 <Soul_keeper> could always get a cheapo psu by thermaltake or whatever for like 50 or so
22:56 <MTughan> I'm not going to have enough money to buy even a $800 computer until next summer though.
22:56 <Tank_Master> bummer
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22:56 <zombie67> PS3's are huge power eaters
22:56 <efc> You can invest in the S@H hardware project.. I accept personal checks, mastercard, visa..
22:57 <Tank_Master> lol
22:57 <Tank_Master> personal bank acount numbers and pins
22:57 <MTughan> I can make enough for $400 worth of PS3 over the Christmas break... But maybe I can cannibalize my old computer for parts...
22:57 <efc> Donations of 24 port hubs..
22:57 <MTughan> That'd give me a case, optical drives... 550W PSU be enough?
22:57 <zombie67> if you already have an old PC
22:57 <zombie67> then the cost goes down by at least the case
22:57 <MTughan> I'd need Molex to PCIe adapters.
22:58 <zombie67> and dvd
22:58 <Tank_Master> 550w is enough with a mid range vid card
22:58 <zombie67> just replace the mobo, PSU, and maybe memory
22:58 <Tank_Master> you can get a 22x SATA dvd burner for just under $25
22:59 <PovAddict> GPUs need to work on lowering power usage
22:59 <Tank_Master> defently
22:59 <MTughan> So just replacing the mobo, CPU, GPU, RAM, and CPU cooler (I'll have to for Nehalem), that leaves me at $1000. Wow...
22:59 <Tank_Master> thats the only thing that isnt
22:59 <MTughan> How much for the vid card?
22:59 <Soul_keeper> they don't care about power usage
22:59 <PovAddict> GPUs may have good computing power : price ratio
22:59 <Soul_keeper> beating the competition is their primary concern
22:59 <PovAddict> but is it good computing power per watt compared to CPUs?
22:59 <Tank_Master> if your cpu cooler is sueing a bracket n screws, you can just replace the bracket to make it nehalem compliant
23:00 <Tank_Master> would save from a compleatly new heatsink
23:00 <MTughan> Tank_Master: How much for a GPU and CPU?
23:00 <Tank_Master> who much what?
23:00 <Tank_Master> power or cost?
23:00 <MTughan> I've specced out a Q6600 for CPU and a 9800GTX for GPU. $250 for the CPU and $300 for the vid card are what I have. Are those accurate?
23:01 <Tank_Master> 2.66 nehalem is ~$285
23:01 <Soul_keeper> i'm very happy with my Q9450
23:01 <Tank_Master> would get you a lot more performance
23:01 <Tank_Master> yeah, I like my 9450 to
23:02 <MTughan> I think the vid card prices came down... I see $260 for that card now.
23:02 <Tank_Master> not supprising witht he 2xx series out now
23:02 <MTughan> Do you know how the performance of a 9800GTX is?
23:02 * PovAddict feels small
23:03 <Tank_Master> great for the price from what I hear
23:03 <PovAddict> AMD Dual 4200+, GeForce 8600 GT
23:03 <MTughan> For $260... All right, I can do that.
23:03 <PovAddict> <- small
23:03 <efc> So many numbers.. I liked it when the higher the number the better it was
23:04 <PovAddict> efc: "better" is subjective
23:04 <MTughan> I can probably scale down the MB too... I'm paying $300 for that.
23:05 <Tank_Master> lol
23:05 <MTughan> I should also see how much I can actually make over the Christmas break... It's possible I can get up to $1000.
23:05 <Tank_Master> I got a chepo for one of my crunchers
23:05 <Tank_Master> intel with all onboard
23:05 <zombie67> pov, link to your team boincstats?
23:05 <MTughan> Problem is I also want this machine to last for a couple years for a daily desktop machine.
23:05 <PovAddict> zombie67: http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_team_graph.php?pr=bo&id=40
23:06 <MTughan> No OS cost though, as I'd just do Linux x86_64.
23:06 <efc> Up till now CPUs rarely worse out, but with the smaller processes it seems to start being a concerned
23:06 <Tank_Master> Id just go with server 2008 :P
23:06 <Tank_Master> free d/l
23:06 <MTughan> Cracked?
23:06 <PovAddict> for you
23:06 <zombie67> your team rac is 161k, mine is 70k
23:07 <Tank_Master> nope
23:07 <PovAddict> ha
23:07 <PovAddict> MTughan's team has higher RAC tho
23:07 <Tank_Master> they dont do anything to stop a trial version from ebing used
23:07 <MTughan> Meh. I like Linux. F*ck Windows.
23:07 <zombie67> that rac is stil dropping from Ramsey. My real daily is ~50k
23:07 <Tank_Master> lol MT
23:08 <Tank_Master> each to their own, eh?
23:08 <MTughan> Anyway, that aside... I don't actually have any HDs priced out. I have a 160GB and a 120GB in the old machine I can probably reuse though.
23:08 <zombie67> MT: problem is, linux is not on all projects, and most of the upt apps are for windows
23:08 <Tank_Master> there area few linux only projects though
23:08 <MTughan> This goes beyond BOINC. This goes to my views on the Microsoft monopoly.
23:08 <Tank_Master> ah!
23:08 <zombie67> so install OSX
23:08 <Tank_Master> as appose to the linux monopoly
23:08 <MTughan> I'll probably do a dual-boot, OS X and Linux.
23:09 <MTughan> Tank_Master: That's because there is no Linux monopoly, nor will there ever be.
23:09 <zombie67> we have a teammate that has installed osx on his laptop
23:09 <Tank_Master> rocket?
23:09 <Tank_Master> sweeet
23:09 <Tank_Master> +48k from ramsey
23:10 <PovAddict> my highest RAC would come from social engineering
23:10 <Tank_Master> lol
23:10 <PovAddict> convincing a cybercafe owner
23:10 <efc> I owe myself a new computer too, this thing is around 4 years old now, with a 6 year old video card
23:10 <MTughan> All right... So Nehalems are coming out in mid-November, we should have our first examples of the X58 and MBs then too. I can price out at that point.
23:10 <PovAddict> I've seen one in my neighborhood with 40 machines
23:11 <Tank_Master> MT- ill be gettin on as soon as I can :P
23:11 <Tank_Master> one*
23:11 <MTughan> I won't be ASAP, but I'll probably be about a month and a half afterwards.
23:12 <zombie67> the more cores you have, the slower ufluids run
23:12 <PovAddict> zombie67: cache filling?
23:12 <zombie67> when running all ufluids
23:12 <Tank_Master> sounds... logincal...
23:12 <zombie67> some sort of cache thrashing, I think
23:12 <Tank_Master> logical*
23:12 <Tank_Master> one bad thing about the nehalem...
23:12 <MTughan> Okay... If I have my math right, I can make about $900 working over Christmas break.
23:13 <Tank_Master> less cache per thread than the current quads
23:13 <MTughan> Because of HyperThreading?
23:13 <Tank_Master> $900 should give you a decent amount
23:13 <Tank_Master> yeah, and it only has 8MB total
23:13 <Tank_Master> not 12 like the 9xxx series
23:13 <MTughan> Yeah... Even my dual at 2.5GHz has 6MB L2.
23:14 <Tank_Master> but moving info to n from RAM will be much wuicker
23:14 <MTughan> DDR3 though.
23:14 <Tank_Master> quicker*
23:14 <zombie67> Tm, what's the code name for the Xeon version?
23:14 <MTughan> That'll push up the cost somewhat.
23:14 <MTughan> zombie67: Gainestown.
23:14 <Tank_Master> yeah
23:14 <Tank_Master> that
23:14 <zombie67> ah, right
23:14 <Tank_Master> :P
23:14 <efc> Thats such a crazy amount of cache.. I had computers with less RAM than that
23:14 <PovAddict> should get sleep
23:14 <Tank_Master> LOL
23:14 <Tank_Master> yeah
23:15 <PovAddict> wdsmia has a machine with 12MB cache IIRC
23:15 <Tank_Master> efc - you should see some of IBM's CPUs today
23:15 <MTughan> efc: How much RAC do you think they'd get? xD
23:15 <Tank_Master> some with like 256MB cache
23:15 <efc> without the math coproc, its not a pretty picture
23:15 <zombie67> That's L3 right?
23:16 <MTughan> I was thinking... If I waited until next summer, the Gainestown processors would be out, along with new video cards, and I could make an 8-core server.
23:16 <Tank_Master> yeah
23:16 <zombie67> MT: you read my mind
23:16 <Tank_Master> MT
23:16 <zombie67> POV: do you have daylight saving where you are?
23:16 <MTughan> zombie67: Yeah, but you're thinking Mac Pro?
23:16 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes, unfortunately
23:16 <Tank_Master> by next summer you can make a quad octi core server
23:16 <zombie67> MT, no, not mac. Crunching boxes
23:16 <MTughan> Switch back at 2AM.
23:17 <zombie67> POV: when do you fall back?
23:17 <Tank_Master> 2AM
23:17 <PovAddict> I don't remember
23:17 <zombie67> so no need to go to bed yet, you get an extra hour!
23:17 <PovAddict> I don't even remember if it was Feb or March when DST ends
23:17 <Tank_Master> heh
23:17 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You mean the MP editions?
23:17 <Tank_Master> yes, MT
23:17 <zombie67> TM: are they making a Xeon 7 series for this core?
23:17 <Tank_Master> they will have an 8core CPU
23:17 <MTughan> Damn, you know how long I'd have to work for that?
23:18 <MTughan> And imagine the memory!
23:18 <Tank_Master> lol
23:18 <Tank_Master> years
23:18 <zombie67> I want to reduce all my machines into just one.
23:18 <MTughan> Plus: "H2 2009 - ?"
23:18 <MTughan> For release date on the MPs.
23:18 <zombie67> it's not the cost of the HW that kills you, it's the power consumption!
23:18 <PovAddict> look for good perforamnce per watt
23:18 <PovAddict> or
23:18 <PovAddict> look into generating your own electricity
23:19 <Tank_Master> make your own nuclear reactor
23:19 <zombie67> Tigerton?
23:19 <MTughan> Tank_Master: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_(microarchitecture)#Variants The Beckton processors. Look at the release date.
23:19 <Romulus> Title: Intel Nehalem (microarchitecture - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:19 <zombie67> Dunnington?
23:20 <PovAddict> is BOINC ported to AS/400?
23:20 <PovAddict> I could add a machine at work... :D :P
23:21 <MTughan> zombie67: Dunnington is the 6-core Xeon.
23:22 <MTughan> $2700 for that... 2.67GHz.
23:24 <zombie67> like i said, cheaper over the long haul
23:28 <MTughan> Tank_Master: The other thing about the MP procs... FB-DIMM RAM.
23:28 <MTughan> FB is more expensive and harder to come by, from what I've found.
23:28 <Tank_Master> I dunno if the nehalem xones will keep that or not
23:29 <zombie67> look at the table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_(microarchitecture)
23:29 <zombie67> so I want Beckton ?
23:29 <zombie67> 8 core, 16 threads
23:29 <Tank_Master> yeah, I guess
23:29 <MTughan> Gainestown is dual proc. Beckton can handle more.
23:29 <zombie67> 256 KB L2/core
23:29 <zombie67> 24 MB shared L3
23:30 <Tank_Master> man, nice cache
23:30 <MTughan> Just note they may not come out until next July or so.
23:30 <zombie67> "Quad channel FB-DIMM2"????????
23:30 <PovAddict> !
23:30 <zombie67> WTF?
23:30 <zombie67> I thought FB DIMM was dead at intel
23:30 <Tank_Master> all zeons are quad channel
23:30 <MTughan> That's what I was saying, they use FB at this point.
23:30 <zombie67> TM: The point is the "2" at the end
23:31 <Tank_Master> ahh
23:31 <Tank_Master> yeah
23:31 <Tank_Master> probably higher speed
23:31 <zombie67> MT: Yes, FB dimm for the current batch. FB dimm is supposed to be dead for all future stuff
23:32 <zombie67> LGA1567...is that a new socket?
23:32 <Tank_Master> yews
23:32 <Tank_Master> yes*
23:32 <MTughan> Yes. All Nehalems use new sockets.
23:32 <MTughan> Xeon currently uses 771, Core 2 uses 775.
23:33 <zombie67> same goes for the netburst xeons?
23:33 <Tank_Master> netburst is dead
23:33 <zombie67> I mean ".", not "?"
23:33 <MTughan> I'm not sure what the NetBurst Xeons use.
23:33 <Tank_Master> thats P4
23:33 <zombie67> I am talking about the sockets
23:34 <zombie67> same for NB, core and core2
23:35 <zombie67> okay, so here is the question, if I passed on MP, what is the dual-chip I should be looking at
23:35 <zombie67> ?
23:35 <MTughan> Gainestown.
23:36 <zombie67> that is a 4C/8TH chip
23:36 <Tank_Master> yeah
23:36 <Tank_Master> dual socket
23:36 <MTughan> Yep. Only way to get the 8-cores is the MP.
23:36 <Tank_Master> yes
23:36 <Tank_Master> till 2010
23:36 <Tank_Master> or 11
23:36 <MTughan> And the 32nm shrinks.
23:36 <Tank_Master> whenever the next gen comes out
23:37 <MTughan> Oh, you mean Sandy Bridge?
23:37 <Tank_Master> looks like 32nm will only get us 6core
23:37 <zombie67> but I thought someone said there is a 6 core?
23:37 <Tank_Master> only for 32nm
23:37 <MTughan> Westmere will be a native 6-core. That's the 32nm shrink, coming earliest Q4 2009.
23:37 <Tank_Master> and right now theres a multisocet thats 6core
23:38 <Tank_Master> its 3 dual core core2 xeons
23:38 <Tank_Master> in one package
23:38 <zombie67> what about dunnington?
23:38 <MTughan> That's the Dunnington core.
23:39 <zombie67> okay, but how does that compare to Nehalem?
23:39 <MTughan> It's the Core 2 architecture.
23:39 <Tank_Master> nehalem is a compleately new archtecture
23:40 <Tank_Master> has the memory controler on the die, so no northbridge
23:40 <Tank_Master> like AMD's setup
23:40 <MTughan> No FSB. Replaced by QuickPath.
23:41 <Tank_Master> QuakePath
23:41 <Tank_Master> :P
23:41 <zombie67> so the question is, how does 2x 6 core C2 (12 cores/12 threads), compare to 2x 4 core N (8 cores 16 threads)??
23:41 <Tank_Master> it doesnt
23:41 <Tank_Master> nehalem would cream it
23:41 <MTughan> Performance wise, we don't know yet.
23:42 <Tank_Master> the nehalems have far more memory throughput and lower access times
23:42 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Not in all areas. Overall, Nehalem would win, but there are areas that a Core 2 does outcome.
23:42 <Tank_Master> I havent seen that, in what areas?
23:42 <PovAddict> if this was a blog instead of IRC, *someone* would have commented "you're all geeks!" already
23:42 <Tank_Master> not like we know for sure yet :P
23:42 <MTughan> Hold on, I remember reading it somewhere...
23:42 <MTughan> lol
23:42 <Tank_Master> heh pov
23:42 <Tank_Master> probably
23:43 <PovAddict> I join Didactylos:
23:43 <PovAddict> to me, hardware is what makes noise next to me while I tinker with software
23:43 <MTughan> "Many early articles suggest that i7's design is not ideal for gaming performance. In a test done on leaked hardware, a Core i7 940 compared to a QX9770 shows the Core i7 is slower than Yorkfield clock for clock in 2 games while being faster in the other two. Difference in all cases are small."
23:43 <PovAddict> how does one leak hardware?
23:43 <Tank_Master> that was on early hardware that wasnt optimized yet
23:44 <zombie67> POV, the chips already exist out there under NDA
23:44 <MTughan> How long does it take to optimize?
23:44 <PovAddict> zombie67: yes but it's not like someone can violate the NDA and put them on the internet
23:44 <PovAddict> like it's done with software
23:44 <MTughan> I have a reference... One sec.
23:44 <Tank_Master> more recent benchmarks show that 2 geforce 280 in SLI are the bottelnecks in games at higher reses
23:44 <zombie67> of course they can
23:44 <PovAddict> quarter to 2am already
23:44 <PovAddict> ffs
23:45 <zombie67> it's only illegal if you get caught
23:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: put the CHIPS on the Internet? :P
23:45 <PovAddict> for people to download?
23:45 * Tank_Master eats his chips
23:45 * PovAddict goes to sleep
23:45 <zombie67> you can put test results on line
23:45 <Tank_Master> gn pov
23:45 <zombie67> gn
23:45 <PovAddict> zombie67: then I wouldn't call it leaked hardware
23:46 <PovAddict> I'd call it leaked test results :)
23:46 <MTughan> The i7 is better at the threading though, probably also due to HT.
23:47 <PovAddict> search BOINCStats for people running SETI@Home with not-officially-released CPUs... I've seen a few
23:47 <PovAddict> (also OS betas, but that's more common... seen one running Snow Leopard!)
23:48 <zombie67> holy sh***T!
23:48 <zombie67> what a great game!
23:48 <MTughan> Holy crap... Tank_Master: http://uneit.com/2008/09/24/a-little-test-of-intel-core-i7s-overclockability/
23:49 <MTughan> First CPU-Z screenshot. It's been OC'd to 4GHZ!
23:49 <Tank_Master> hehe
23:49 <MTughan> They don't say what kind of cooling is used, but still...
23:49 <Tank_Master> firend of mine makes the mobos for intel
23:49 <Tank_Master> he;s gotten some up to 4.5 air
23:49 <Tank_Master> :P
23:49 <MTughan> That's the lowest model, 2.6GHz IIRC.
23:50 <MTughan> 2.66GHz.
23:50 <MTughan> At least, 2.66GHz stock... xD
23:51 <Tank_Master> yeah, sweet, huh?
23:52 <MTughan> So maybe a bit more now, but it pays off later.
23:53 <MTughan> So now... That gets me thinking. If I have to pay a bit more for a Nehalem, should I spend a bit less on the vid card and upgrade to two cards later on? Even if a MB isn't SLI certified, it should still be able to handle two GPUs.
23:53 <Tank_Master> I wish I have the $$ for a phase cooling system
23:53 <Tank_Master> yeah, it will run 2 GPUs
23:53 <MTughan> If I don't have enough for the card I want first time 'round.
23:53 <Tank_Master> but all nehalems can support SLI now
23:54 <MTughan> No, Nvidia requires another chip for SLI.
23:54 <MTughan> GT260 IIRC.
23:54 <Tank_Master> the x58 now support is
23:54 <Tank_Master> it*
23:54 <Tank_Master> intel got the licence from nvidia
23:54 <PovAddict> note BOINC doesnt support multiple different GPUs atm
23:54 <Tank_Master> it doesnt?
23:54 <Tank_Master> why not?
23:54 <MTughan> "X58 board manufacturers will be able to build SLI-compatible Intel chipset boards by submitting their designs to Nvidia for validation. However, users wishing to run more than two Nvidia video cards in PCIe x16 will still need to purchase motherboards equipped with one or more Nvidia nForce chipsets."
23:55 <Tank_Master> huh
23:55 <Tank_Master> never read that before
23:55 <Tank_Master> that sucks
23:55 <Tank_Master> :P
23:56 <PovAddict> if you have a foo and a bar, it will think you have two foos (same speed and all) which may make a mess with the schedulet
23:56 <MTughan> PovAddict: Well, who said they were different cards?
23:57 <MTughan> Ah... Tank_Master: X58's alone can run two SLI cards, but for more, they need an nForce 200 chipset for more PCIe lanes.
23:58 <Tank_Master> ahh, ok
23:58 <PovAddict> nobody :P im just saying
23:58 <Tank_Master> makes sence now
23:58 <MTughan> Because X58 only has 36 PCIe lanes. Two x16s will take 32 of those.
23:58 <MTughan> But boards still need to be certified by Nvidia for SLI support.
23:59 <Tank_Master> ugg