IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-11-03

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00:06 <MTughan> Ethan and Lilah got married!

00:06 <MTughan> &cad

00:06 <Romulus>

00:07 <Tank_Master> again?

00:07 <MTughan> What again? They never were married.

00:08 <Tank_Master> oh, engaged

00:08 <Tank_Master> I bet one of them is deaming now... ;)

00:08 <MTughan> Haha... Comment in the forums. "*removes hat out of respect* This is the greatest moment in CAD history, ladies and gentlemen, we are witnessing an event that was 6 years in the making, and our dear friends Lilah and Ethan had to nearly lose everything to get to this day."

00:10 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:10 <Tank_Master> nice

00:10 <MTughan> rofl!

00:10 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:10 <Romulus>

00:12 <Tank_Master> I think his answer is "yes"

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00:44 <efc> he loses all my respect, having a girlfriend

00:48 <Tank_Master> LOL

00:48 <Tank_Master> you mean a gf 2.0?

00:49 <efc> Any of the versions

00:51 <efc> vapourware if you asked me

01:03 <efc> sounds like dual cpu should be a much cheaper option with Nehalem

01:04 <efc> its just another socket with some traces between the sockets

01:11 <Tank_Master> man, just installed windows 7 for ream (not in a vm)

01:11 <Tank_Master> I like it so far

01:11 <Tank_Master> only 42 processes with BOINC running

01:11 <Tank_Master> and all 4 tasks are getting 25% (100% or each core)

01:12 <Tank_Master> kernal is barly registering at all

01:12 <efc> Nice

01:12 <Tank_Master> and only 850MB out of 2GB ram are being used right now

01:13 <Tank_Master> only dop so far in CPU usage is when one tasked ended....

01:17 <efc> I might bite the bullet and go XP on the next box

01:17 <MTughan> efc++

01:17 <MTughan> Not that I recommend XP, but it's better than that monstrosity Microsoft calls Vista.

01:18 <Tank_Master> vista aint that bad now

01:18 <Tank_Master> now that theres stable drivers

01:18 <Tank_Master> and SP1 is out

01:18 <MTughan> Doesn't mean Microsoft changed the EULA. SP1 didn't.

01:19 <Tank_Master> whats wrong with the eula?

01:19 <Tank_Master> its basicly the same as XP's

01:19 <Tank_Master> just reworded for clarity

01:19 <MTughan> Parts where Microsoft can download updates to WGA without your approval, and they can terminate your Internet access without warning. Neither of those are present in XP.

01:19 <efc> MTughan: I'm still on 2k, and generally like it

01:20 <Tank_Master> trmonate your internet access?

01:20 <Tank_Master> where did you get that?

01:20 <efc> But sooner or later that will become untenable

01:20 <MTughan> Nice. XP and 2K are basically the same underneath as far as I know. Just different graphics, which are personal opinion.

01:20 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Hold on, let me download the EULA again...

01:20 <efc> I have figured out how to hack 2k pro into server, to get 4 cpus/cores

01:21 <Tank_Master> XP is NT5.1, 2000 is NT5

01:21 <Tank_Master> so yeah, they are mostly the same

01:21 <Tank_Master> main difference that that XP can detect multicore CPUs and hyperthreading

01:21 <Tank_Master> 2000 cant

01:22 <MTughan> Well, not the main difference, but the one that BOINC crunchers see.

01:22 <Tank_Master> also the windows firewall

01:22 <efc> 2k sees the HT as cpus, i guess it doesn't do as good a job managing them

01:22 <MTughan> Firewall wasn't really good or turned on by default until SP2.

01:22 <Tank_Master> no, and it eats up the CPU licence

01:23 <efc> If I could just find that byte that says "4" and change it to 64 hehe

01:23 <efc> I didn't figure out how to hack 2k server into 2k datacenter

01:25 <Tank_Master> lol

01:26 <MTughan> There, finally found the darn thing...

01:27 <efc> I wonder if running a windows "server" version would make my network run better. Its really very fickle, makes it hard to administer BOINC with machines going up and down.

01:28 <Tank_Master> I do prefer server 2003 over XP

01:28 <MTughan> Okay, so they can't cut off specific Internet access, but "Microsoft provides Internet-based services with the software. It may change or cancel them at any time."

01:28 <Tank_Master> seems more stable and a touch faster

01:28 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats normal with most ISPs

01:29 <MTughan> Vista EULA, not ISP.

01:29 <Tank_Master> its refering to the msn explorer

01:30 <MTughan> But it doesn't say MSN. It could mean any Internet service in that context.

01:32 <Tank_Master> thay cant cut off your comcast internet access

01:32 <Tank_Master> they dont have that kind of controle

01:32 <MTughan> I was thinking they cut off the machine access, as all that stuff goes through the kernel, but it looks like this only covers specific features.

01:34 <Tank_Master> they have gotten a lot out of the kernel

01:34 <MTughan> Plug and Play, Windows Update, "Web Content Features", certificates, root certificates, DRM, WMP, Defender, network connectivity status icon, NTP, and IPv6.

01:34 <Tank_Master> its funny, even unactivated, those all still work

01:35 <Tank_Master> winupdate is probably the only affected one of those

01:35 <MTughan> There is one more major thing that is driving me away though: the integration of DRM into the OS.

01:35 <Tank_Master> you cant d/l optional updates

01:35 <Tank_Master> which has yet to impact me in any way

01:35 <Tank_Master> what it sposidly do?

01:36 * efc hmm, 2k advanced server would do 8 cpus..

01:36 <Tank_Master> eft - or one nehalem

01:36 <Tank_Master> 8 threads ;)

01:36 <efc> Bingo

01:36 <MTughan> Protect content from being stolen. Means screenshots, and some other stuff. DRM can also prevent you from playing content which the owner considers that DRM hasn't protected.

01:37 <Tank_Master> screanshots?

01:37 <Tank_Master> Ive taken tones of those and moved them around to various comps, and u/led them

01:37 <MTughan> However, with it being in the OS, it could mean it could be used for other types of media or files. Such as programs.

01:37 <MTughan> Then your content isn't DRMd.

01:37 <Tank_Master> it hasnt stoped me from riping DVDs or CDs either

01:38 <Tank_Master> wmp still has DRM unchecked by default

01:38 <Tank_Master> and you can now even rip to mp3 as an option :D

01:38 <MTughan> I don't think DRM has been really rolled out yet, but it'd be more prevalent in files you d/l and probably Blu-Ray discs. I'm not sure about that last one though.

01:39 <MTughan> Who says I use WMP? :D

01:39 <Tank_Master> Im just saying

01:39 <Tank_Master> if the mp in vista dosnt use drm, then how can the OS be any diferent?

01:39 <MTughan> And no, I don't use iTunes. Not on the XP machine anyway. That's primarily VLC.

01:40 <Tank_Master> iTunes for windows is crap anyway

01:40 <MTughan> Agreed.

01:40 <Tank_Master> bigest threat for security in vista is apple software :P

01:40 <Tank_Master> sadly enough

01:40 <MTughan> Anyway... Reason is that the DRM can also possibly affect other programs trying to play DRMd content.

01:41 <MTughan> If it's in the OS.

01:41 <Tank_Master> its possible, true

01:41 <Tank_Master> but theres always programs to get around it

01:41 <MTughan> Oh, well that's nice... Another thing in the EULA: WMP will check online for compatible music services in your region. That can't be turned off.

01:42 <MTughan> How about other OSes? It's not like there's a shortage of them.

01:42 <Tank_Master> just dont install the store when you launch wmp the first time

01:42 <MTughan> XP, whatever Linux distro you want, Hackintosh, BSD, other Unix derivatives.

01:43 <MTughan> I think there's others, but I just don't remember them now...

01:43 <Tank_Master> OSX has some DRM in it to

01:43 <MTughan> iTunes does. FairPlay.

01:43 <MTughan> I don't believe the OS does, unless I really haven't been reading stuff well.

01:44 <Tank_Master> dunno, but I thought 10.4 did

01:44 <MTughan> Yeah, that's it... There's also the Haiku OS, an OSS implementation of BeOS.

01:44 <MTughan> Hmm, maybe. I never heard or read about it, and I do get around.

01:45 <Tank_Master> this is strange

01:45 <Tank_Master> the amount of RAM windows 7 is using is going down...

01:45 <Tank_Master> and I havent touched it

01:45 <MTughan> Watch the process list, see what's going down?

01:45 <Tank_Master> now only useing 785MB

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01:45 <Tank_Master> 38 process

01:45 <Tank_Master> was 42

01:46 <Tank_Master> cant complain about that

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01:49 <MTughan> Ah yes... Problem is HDCP.

01:51 <MTughan> I think that also affects Vista at this point, but Apple will have to integrate it into OS X too.

01:51 <MTughan> What happens is that to view HD content on a device, everything in the chain needs to be HDCP compliant, or the quality will be degraded.

01:53 <MTughan> Using a media centre PC, whether that be Vista MCE, Apple TV, or just a computer hooked up to a TV/monitor, means that the OS and video cards will also have to be certified.

01:53 <MTughan> Which means DRM integration into the OS.

01:53 * efc HDCP = load of ....

01:53 <MTughan> Man, I hate those movie studios...

01:53 <MTughan> efc: Strongly agreed. Guess what?

01:54 <MTughan> It was developed by Intel.

01:54 <efc> If it took 3 transistors thats 3 too many.

01:54 <MTughan> Heh.

01:56 <Tank_Master> <- there you can see the kernel times in win7 for my comp

01:56 <Romulus> <> (at

01:56 <MTughan> So like the article I just read said, it'll be interesting to see how Linux copes with this. Because there's no way it can be certified without the encryption code being published for all to see.

01:56 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Why so big?

01:56 <Tank_Master> heh

01:56 <Tank_Master> much smaller than vista or XP

01:57 <MTughan> No, the image size, not the kernel times.

01:57 <Tank_Master> oh, just what I had it at

01:58 <Tank_Master> I run my res at 2048x1536

01:58 <MTughan> How big's your monitor?

01:58 <Tank_Master> thats not even taking up the entier screen

01:58 <Tank_Master> 21"

01:58 <MTughan> Wow. Largest res I can find at 19" (widescreen) is 1440x900.

01:59 <Tank_Master> this is CRT

01:59 <MTughan> Is the jump from 19" to 21" just that big?

01:59 <MTughan> Oh, CRT... That explains it.

01:59 <Tank_Master> its some 10 years old

01:59 <MTughan> That must be some damn small print then... I remember 1600x1200 on my 17".

02:00 <Tank_Master> I can read it fine

02:00 <Tank_Master> the .23dp helps

02:00 <Tank_Master> makes thing sharp and not fuzzy

02:01 <MTughan> I imagine, but it's still a very large res. Even for that physical size.

02:01 <MTughan> Although... I guess it's actually about the same ratio up from 1600x1200 on 17" to 2048x1536 on 21".

02:02 <MTughan> &math 1600 / 17

02:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 94.1176470588

02:02 <MTughan> &math 2048 / 21

02:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 97.5238095238

02:02 <MTughan> Very close.

02:02 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:02 <Tank_Master> it is smaller though

02:02 <Tank_Master> cus I do have a second monitor that 17"

02:03 <Tank_Master> and its 1600x1200

02:03 <MTughan> Yeah, 3.5 more pixels per inch than the 17".

02:03 <MTughan> Or... Well, not quite actually.

02:03 <MTughan> I divided the height by the diagonal. :P

02:04 <MTughan> I'd have to get into some ratios to find pixels/in.

02:04 <Tank_Master> sounds.. fun

02:05 <MTughan> Give me two minutes.

02:07 <MTughan> 21" monitor has ~122 pi/in, 17" has ~ 118 pi/in.

02:08 <MTughan> Or for the calculations directly...

02:08 <MTughan> &math sqrt(1600**2 + 1200**2) / 17

02:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 117.647058824

02:08 <MTughan> &math sqrt(2048**2 + 1536**2) / 21

02:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 121.904761905

02:08 <MTughan> For my 19" LCD...

02:08 <MTughan> &math sqrt(1440**2 + 900**2) / 19

02:08 <Romulus> MTughan: 89.3745580932

02:10 <MTughan> Actually... Looks like I can about match your 21" on the new laptop.

02:10 <MTughan> &math sqrt(1440**2 + 900**2) / 14

02:10 <Romulus> MTughan: 121.294043126

02:12 <MTughan> Speaking of the new laptop... It's on its last task in XP now.

02:12 <Tank_Master> what r u going to next?

02:12 <MTughan> 5 and a half hours for the last E@H WU. Unfortunately, that means the second core will be unused until then.

02:12 <MTughan> Migrating my crunching OS over to 64-bit Linux.

02:13 <Tank_Master> coo

02:13 <Tank_Master> 64bit is nice :P

02:13 <MTughan> Since I don't own a 64-bit copy of Windows.

02:13 <MTughan> Linux is the next option, and looks damn cool. Compiz++

02:13 <Tank_Master> I got xpx64:P

02:13 <Tank_Master> never really used it though

02:14 <Tank_Master> with server 2008 being free and all

02:14 <MTughan> I thought the big problem with it was that there were no drivers available for the 64-bit at the time?

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02:14 <MTughan> Or very little drivers.

02:14 <Tank_Master> when it came out, sure

02:14 <Tank_Master> but now theres more drivers for vista/s2k8 x64 than XP x64

02:17 <MTughan> I should get down to bed soon... My roommate's been sleeping for 3.5 hours now, don't want to wake him up.

02:17 <MTughan> The monitors can get awful bright.

02:19 <MTughan> Oh, the kernels are being built! :P

02:19 <Tank_Master> fun

02:19 <Tank_Master> then gn MTughan ;)

02:20 <MTughan> Been watching the package manager site for Fedora. Any packages, including bleeding-edge, come through here. Makes a good place to get kernels when you need something.

02:20 <Tank_Master> yeah :D

02:21 <MTughan> In my case, that's wireless. Current kernels don't work with the wireless chip. :(

02:21 <MTughan> It's in the next version, but that hasn't been marked for full release yet.

02:22 <Tank_Master> I hear ubintu 8.10 has good wierless support

02:23 <MTughan> I know the next kernel works with it, because trying a LiveCD of a distro with it worked perfectly.

02:23 <MTughan> I have been told too that you haven't "lived" until you've built a Linux kernel. ;) Maybe that time has come.

02:24 <Tank_Master> lol

02:24 <Tank_Master> Ive built a live windows CD before

02:25 <MTughan> I think I tried building a live Windows USB drive before. Don't remember if it succeeded.

02:26 <Tank_Master> yeah, I know it can be done

02:26 <Tank_Master> but I havent tried

02:26 <MTughan> If you've build a live Windows CD, a live USB disk can be done.

02:28 <MTughan> Anyway, I'll be off. Programming class in 9 hours.

02:29 <Tank_Master> gn

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06:44 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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06:50 <Romulus> WB, Boss

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06:54 <hawmps> re-hi

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07:19 <CoderForLife> hi hawmps

07:22 <hawmps> 22 hours, 38 minutes...

07:41 <CoderForLife> sorta like the clock of the cover of the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists

07:42 <CoderForLife> after we break the utility and coal industries with aggressive cap and trade laws, everything will be OK, I suppose

07:50 <CoderForLife> not

07:55 <CoderForLife> it's twilight in America

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08:29 <hawmps> obummer is paying dearly for those comments.

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11:18 <hawmps> LHC: What to do with 15 million gigabytes of data

11:19 <hawmps>

11:19 <Romulus> Title: What to do with 15 million gigabytes of data (at

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11:39 <KathrynM> excessive cpu use of the manager still present in the new alpha

11:39 <KathrynM> manager with nothing going on (no tasks at all) was taking an entire core.

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11:51 <Welshman> my granted credit is low compared to others?  What determines it!

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12:30 <CoderForLife> I say, spread the gigabyte wealth around, but with my coal-fired power I may not be able to crunch it

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13:03 <hawmps> CFL:

13:03 <Romulus> <> (at

13:03 <CoderForLife> looking

13:04 <CoderForLife> Ken summed it up well

13:08 <hawmps> Replace obummer and mccain with blackwell... I'd vote twice.

13:08 <CoderForLife> oh, so true

13:10 <hawmps> lol: Ohio I.D. system down. computer overload.

13:10 * CoderForLife shakes his head, wearily

13:10 <CoderForLife> I see chaos looming tomorrow morning

13:15 <hawmps> 6:01 EST.

13:16 <hawmps> Not that my vote counts, it's just knowing it canceled out the vote of a complete moron.

13:17 <CoderForLife> polls open at 6:30 here - there'll probably be a line

13:17 <hawmps> unlikely here.

13:18 <CoderForLife> I'll be in the line

13:18 <CoderForLife> Precinct L1L = "lil"

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13:28 <CoderForLife> Obama flips off McCain like he did Hillary

13:28 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Obama Flips Off McCain (at

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13:44 <Tank_Master> and people want him as president?

13:53 <CoderForLife> the sheeple are easily led

13:54 <Tank_Master> true

13:55 <Tank_Master> and it doesnt help with the constant calling and door to door people telling you to vote for oboma, and none telling you to vote for mccane

13:56 <CoderForLife> the robots are beating me to death for RNC, McCain and Jean Schmidt - I've had no Obama support contacts, except for a couple of mailings

13:56 <CoderForLife> Sarah's called a couple of times

13:57 <Tank_Master> must be because of the state we are in

13:58 <Tank_Master> lots of sheeple here

13:59 <CoderForLife> toll free call coming in now

13:59 <hawmps> ip kills >>,

14:00 <Tank_Master> heh - gotten any calls from 1-000-000-0000?

14:00 <CoderForLife> no

14:01 <CoderForLife> thx for the plinks hawmps

14:01 <Tank_Master> Ive seen those 3 times now

14:01 <Tank_Master> nother one was 1-503-555-5555

14:01 <Tank_Master> the area code here is 503

14:02 <CoderForLife> be afraid when 1-800-DIAL-A-PRAYER starts calling you

14:03 <Tank_Master> lol

14:03 <Tank_Master> havent seen that one

14:15 <FreeLarry58> humm hey jay just remembered - how did the new owners of that extreme house make out - still living there?

14:16 * FreeLarry58 wonders why these big media shows for extreme makeovers never do a follow up after a year or so?

14:19 <hawmps> extreme rakeover - taxpayer edition

14:19 <FreeLarry58> yeah

14:20 <CoderForLife> any benefits to suppliers?

14:22 <FreeLarry58> tax write off i suppose - but benificeraries on hok for taxes on income (implied benefits)

14:22 <FreeLarry58> so most of those i have heard from ended up losing thier places for back taxes

14:22 <CoderForLife> sorry - lately the words "taxes" and "benefits" in the same sentence causes my brain to tilt

14:23 <FreeLarry58> ahhh tis the political season

14:23 <Tank_Master> yeah, unfortnetly

14:24 <FreeLarry58> the man in the funny red suit - with horns on head - having a hayday

14:24 <Tank_Master> lol

14:24 <CoderForLife> I've been looking online for the definition du jour of "middle class"

14:24 <CoderForLife> is it still $120,000 today?

14:25 <Tank_Master> middle class - the mithical group of people exept from taxes

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14:29 <FreeLarry58> middle class - bulk of tax payers -- poor - receipants of said taxes -- wealthy - high numbers for taxes but less percentage of worth

14:29 <CoderForLife> I've been reclassified as rich

14:30 <Tank_Master> congrats!

14:30 <CoderForLife> targeted for redistribution

14:30 <FreeLarry58> ahh the area between middle and wealthy - the worst of both worlds

14:30 <Tank_Master> thx for paying for my medical care ;)

14:30 <Tank_Master> lol fl

14:30 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:30 <CoderForLife> you can have your medical care out of my wall profits

14:31 <Tank_Master> lol

14:31 <Tank_Master> awsome

14:31 <CoderForLife> oh that's right - there are no profits, just expenses

14:31 <CoderForLife> too bad for you =)

14:31 <Tank_Master> hehe

14:31 <FreeLarry58> have your accountant pay for it - they should make a real killing this filling season

14:31 <Tank_Master> ill get the gov to bail me out

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14:43 <MTughan_> &explosm

14:43 <Romulus>

14:44 <Tank_Master> heh

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15:19 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news November 17, 2008

15:19 <MTughan_> I read that and thought it said "Bad news from boinc:" and I was thinking "The trend continues."

15:20 <hawmps> same old same old

15:21 <Tank_Master> lol

15:21 <Tank_Master> yeah

15:22 <Tank_Master> to bad almeregrid doesnt work

15:23 <Tank_Master> and no forums to report that it doent work

15:33 <MTughan_> Can SpeedStep adjust the processor multiplier?

15:34 <MTughan_> Because the multiplier for this CPU is 9.5, but CPU-Z is reading 6.

15:34 <Tank_Master> yeah

15:35 <Tank_Master> thats hows it works

15:35 <MTughan_> I thought the multipliers were locked though, to prevent OCing. It plays with the FSB speed.

15:36 <Tank_Master> locked up

15:36 <Tank_Master> not down

15:37 <Tank_Master> cept the slowest speed ones

15:37 <MTughan_> Yep, just found it out when I set the power settings to max performance. Mult shot up to 9.5. Thanks.

15:37 <MTughan_> 6 seems to be the slowest.

15:37 <Tank_Master> np ;)

15:38 <MTughan_> And right now, I want the slowest. I'm on battery power ATM.

15:40 <Tank_Master> lol

15:41 <MTughan_> But when plugged in... Well, I'll be in Linux at that point.

15:41 <MTughan_> It made me realize how long Windows takes to boot up.

15:53 <MTughan_> Well, I'm done the class assignment, so I'm turning off the lappie. bbl

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15:57 <CoderForLife> here we go...

15:57 <Tank_Master> fun times ahead!

16:01 <xcamel_> domain kill..

16:01 * CoderForLife loads fissile material into the launch tubes

16:02 <xcamel_> re-hi

16:02 <CoderForLife> hi - been one of those days

16:02 <Tank_Master> wb

16:02 <CoderForLife> running out to get din-din for the wife

16:02 <CoderForLife> bbl

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16:12 <PovAddict> KathrynM: Rom finally gave me the simple information I asked for

16:12 <PovAddict> once I rest from the hell of a day that was today, I may try compiling that wxWidgets version and see if I can finally reproduce the high CPU usage bug

16:13 <PovAddict> X might crash = I might disconnect

16:13 <PovAddict> phew

16:14 <Tank_Master> heh

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16:31 <PovAddict> wow I got a LHC WU

16:31 <PovAddict> it's stuck uploading

16:32 <wdsmia_w> Bet its one of the error resends

16:32 <KathrynM> PovAddict, I saw he finally responded

16:36 <PovAddict> ok so... you can still reproduce with what, .21?

16:37 <KathrynM> whatever rom released a few hours ago

16:37 <PovAddict> I'll give it a try

16:45 <PovAddict> can't :/

16:45 <PovAddict> there we go

16:46 <PovAddict> not easy to repro

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16:49 <CoderForLife> no LHC here

16:50 <PovAddict> wxWidgets configuring

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16:51 <PovAddict> compiling

16:51 <PovAddict> ETA: forever

16:55 <PovAddict> done

16:56 <PovAddict> configuring BOINC

16:57 <PovAddict> fook

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17:02 <PovAddict> compiling manager

17:03 * CoderForLife reading news

17:04 <PovAddict> and done

17:05 <PovAddict> reproduced!

17:05 <CoderForLife> that's good

17:10 <PovAddict> yep it's definitely caused by Charlie's new async mess

17:10 <CoderForLife> how do you really feel about it?

17:16 <PovAddict> I had never seen so many pointer casts in real code...

17:17 <CoderForLife> (int *)(char *)(uchar *)(byte *)null

17:17 <PovAddict> passing everything as void*s, then casting them back

17:17 <PovAddict> maybe

17:18 <PovAddict> David Anderson has already fixed a mistake with the casts

17:18 <PovAddict> (not casting back to the original type)

17:18 <CoderForLife> ugh - not Code, merely some code

17:18 <PovAddict> it's amazing there was only one of those mistakes

17:18 <PovAddict> casting like that is very error prone

17:19 <CoderForLife> yes - defeats the compiler/preprocessor trying to help you write Code

17:19 <PovAddict> he might as well use assembly

17:19 <PovAddict> same type safety

17:20 <PovAddict>

17:20 <PovAddict>

17:20 <Romulus> <> (at

17:20 <Romulus> <> (at

17:21 <PovAddict> the high CPU usage xcamel saw is caused by the almost-busy loop in line 121 of the .cpp

17:22 <PovAddict> while(true) { if (are we there yet?) { break; } Yield(); }

17:22 <CoderForLife> looking

17:23 <CoderForLife> yeah

17:23 <PovAddict> instead of blocking on some inter-thread sync object that will be signaled when we "get there", it polls... without any significant sleeping between attempts

17:26 <CoderForLife> here goes the phone again - "out of area"

17:27 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:27 <CoderForLife> Iowa - save us...

17:29 <wdsmia> Sorry Ohio - were treading water ourselfs

17:32 <xcamel> sometimes tw is not very bright.

17:32 <wdsmia> damn looks like MW is fubar again

17:32 <PovAddict> wdsmia: they adjusted credits

17:32 <PovAddict> maybe they're down while doing the necessary server changes to grant less

17:33 <wdsmia> that was last night and dont think it has anything to do with 11/3/2008 4:27:56 PM|Milkyway@home|Message from server: Server error: can't attach shared memory

17:33 <PovAddict> hmm feeder down

17:34 <CoderForLife> outside to do some quick tasks - bbiab

17:34 <wdsmia> hf

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17:45 <PovAddict> wtffffffffff my CPU is scaled down too

17:45 * PovAddict looks at MTughan

17:51 * xcamel looks up 'incompetent '

17:58 <xcamel> yup - picture of TW cable right there.

18:04 <CoderForLife> I have the same problem with Time War

18:04 <CoderForLife> CARRIER LOST

18:04 <xcamel> TWBC, to be more precise.

18:05 <CoderForLife> ah, you pay *extra* for poor service

18:05 <xcamel> bingo

18:06 <CoderForLife> bingo implies "winning" something =)

18:07 <xcamel> you have necer seen anything like this --- ever.

18:07 <xcamel> and NEVER even...

18:07 <xcamel>

18:07 <CoderForLife> vuja de

18:07 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Best Air Race Pilot Ever (at

18:07 <PovAddict> I heard there is a higher chance of being struck by lightning on your way back from buying a lottery ticket... than of winning said ticket

18:07 <PovAddict> (at least in some states with lots of lightning :P)

18:08 <CoderForLife> wow!!

18:09 <CoderForLife> phone is ringing every 5 minutes

18:09 <CoderForLife> and this is an unlisted number

18:11 <CoderForLife> That last call was from Washington DC - i *know* there's no one there I want to talk to

18:11 <xcamel> many are saying it's a fake.

18:11 <PovAddict> one is saying "you say it's as fake as Obama's campaign? it's as *good* as obama's campaign" (paraphrase)

18:12 <PovAddict> or that's what I managed to interpret...

18:12 <PovAddict> RSandman

18:18 <PovAddict> Linux users, can you please: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq

18:18 <PovAddict> and scaling_max_freq

18:31 <PovAddict> does anyone here speak a language other than English?

18:33 <KathrynM> PovAddict,

18:33 <KathrynM> [kathryn@Galaxy ~]$ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq

18:33 <KathrynM> 1667000

18:34 <KathrynM> which looks right to me

18:34 <PovAddict> and what's the scaling_max_freq? (file in the same dir)

18:34 <KathrynM> same

18:34 <PovAddict> good

18:34 <KathrynM> I don't so much speak Korean as I butcher it

18:34 <PovAddict> I had cur_freq = MIN_freq

18:34 <PovAddict> 1GHz

18:35 <PovAddict> the CPU governor (whatever that means) was set to ondemand

18:35 <PovAddict> I set it to "performance", speed (and CPU temperature) went up

18:35 <KathrynM> stupid *buntu

18:36 <CoderForLife> it's the Debian demon in it

18:36 <KathrynM> lol

18:36 <CoderForLife> Oh, did that slip out?

18:36 * KathrynM tips her red hat

18:37 <CoderForLife> lol

18:37 <KathrynM> If the halloween store would have had a red fedora, I would have bought it :)

18:37 <KathrynM> but alas, no such luck

18:38 <PovAddict> KathrynM: have you ever used the Simple English wikipedia?

18:38 <CoderForLife> The best I have is a black baseball cap with the Red Hat Shadowman logo

18:39 <KathrynM> I've looked at it thinking I'd use it in a class, but never got very far with that lesson idea

18:40 <CoderForLife> "simple" and "english"?  I don't understand...

18:41 <KathrynM> lol

18:41 <KathrynM> studying Korean is the best sleep aid I've ever found.

18:41 <KathrynM> conjugating verbs last night put me right to sleep

18:41 <CoderForLife> you must be tough, though, to see it thoroughly through

18:42 <PovAddict> >.<

18:42 <KathrynM> I was going cross eyed trying to figure out "Does this damn thing end in a vowel or consonant"

18:43 <CoderForLife> did that throw you, PovAddict?

18:43 <KathrynM> I think PovAddict's head just asploded

18:43 <CoderForLife> lol

18:44 <CoderForLife> I made that up on the fly

18:45 <CoderForLife> it gets dark too early now

18:45 <CoderForLife> this is the time of year that I drive to w@#% in the dark both ways

18:46 <KathrynM> ugh

18:47 <CoderForLife> what's the "no sunlight" condition?

18:47 <KathrynM> SAD?

18:47 <CoderForLife> that's how I feel...  is that it?

18:48 <KathrynM> Seasonal Affective Disorder

18:48 <xcamel> yeah.. that too.

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18:57 <CoderForLife> time for me to unplug and follow the white rabbit

18:57 <CoderForLife> gn folks

18:57 <xcamel> good luck on that one...

18:58 <PovAddict>

18:58 <Romulus> Title: Legit Reviews - Intel Core i7 920, 940 and 965 Processor Review - The Core i7 Series Arrives (at

18:59 <PovAddict> the cache is as big as the cores o.O

18:59 <PovAddict> "the platform has over 25GB/s of throughput between the processor and DDR3 memory modules"

19:00 <PovAddict> my Pentium IV machine has slower FSB, slower RAM, etc

19:00 <PovAddict> leaving something like 2GB/s RAM access

19:00 <PovAddict> which sucks

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19:12 <PovAddict> xcamel: high CPU usage in manager might have been fixed

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19:16 <xcamel> really?

19:16 <xcamel> the wxw rebuild?

19:18 <xcamel> ah.. I see it now.

19:21 <xcamel> build any time soon?

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19:30 <xcamel> &ping

19:30 <Romulus> pong

19:43 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:43 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 42.7F / 5.9C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. South winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds around 5 mph.; (1 more message)

19:43 <xcamel> &more

19:43 <Romulus> xcamel: Areal Flood Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 7:30 AM EST on November 04, 2008;

19:44 <xcamel> damn 'areal floods' - area has no business flooding in like that...

20:04 <PovAddict> xcamel: i will see if the fix actually works as soon as my mom gets off my computer (<.<)

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20:09 <PovAddict> back

20:15 <PovAddict> I broke my SVN working copy yet again

20:17 <Tank_Master> congratz'

20:18 <Tank_Master> oh, MTughan

20:18 <Tank_Master> I found out the you can do 30way SLI on the x58

20:18 <Tank_Master> 3-way*

20:18 <Tank_Master> so long as its 16/8/8

20:22 <PovAddict> 30way :D

20:22 <PovAddict> fun!

20:25 <Tank_Master> yeah, that woould be nice

20:25 <Tank_Master> just think of the gpugrid score!

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20:34 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Yeah, I was just considering x16/x16. Is x8 fast enough?

20:34 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

20:35 <xcamel> 'lo Z

20:35 <PovAddict> xcamel: I guess you can consider it fixed...

20:35 <PovAddict> but it depends on your definition of "fixed"

20:35 <PovAddict> showing tasks tab, now it uses a constant 2% instead of a constant 100%

20:36 <Tank_Master> dunno

20:36 <Tank_Master> itll crunch at least

20:38 <MTughan> PovAddict: I found a CPU speed applet for the taskbar on GNOME, and that allows me to change settings. Is there something similar for KDE?

20:39 <PovAddict> I tweaked some kernel pseudo-files

20:39 <PovAddict> in /sys

20:39 <PovAddict> GUIs are for the weak

20:40 <MTughan> At least yours didn't scale down as much. Mine scaled down to 800MHz, less than a third of full capacity.

20:40 <MTughan> lol

20:40 <MTughan> By that thinking, 95% of computer users are weak.

20:42 <MTughan> Hehe... On Core i7 page on Wikipedia:

20:42 <MTughan> "Note:An Intel press embargo expired on November 3, 2008, and more than twenty reviews of the Core i7 were immediately published. This article will be subject to rapid revision for at least a short while."

20:46 <PovAddict> I posted a link to that MTughan

20:46 <PovAddict>

20:47 <Romulus> Title: Legit Reviews - Intel Core i7 920, 940 and 965 Processor Review - The Core i7 Series Arrives (at

20:47 <MTughan> That's why I looked up the Wiki article. Look at those memory times!

20:48 <Soul_keeper> i'm not impressed by i7

20:51 <zombie67> hi MT

20:51 <zombie67> hi x

20:52 <PovAddict> zombie67: do you think boincmgr using 2% CPU (that's 2% of one of the cores in an AMD Athlon 4200+) is acceptable?

20:55 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, that seems to be what it uses on my system too with a c2q

20:56 <Soul_keeper> 1% cpu 5% mem,  goes a bit higher if i let it rest on the processes tab

20:57 <Soul_keeper> keep it off the processes and statistics  tab

21:01 <MTughan> PovAddict: You've been rebuffed.

21:01 <zombie67> POV, that sound reasonable, I guess.  But as processors get faster and faster, I would want that % to decline

21:02 <Soul_keeper> then you'd likely have to not use wxgtk ...

21:03 <xcamel> all previous versions have used less than 1%

21:03 <PovAddict> o_O

21:03 <Romulus> Title: The Etherkiller (at

21:05 <xcamel> &ping

21:05 <Romulus> pong

21:05 <xcamel> huh

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22:06 <zombie67> MT, you still there?

22:06 <MTughan> Yep.

22:07 <zombie67> anything ever come of the effort for an OSX app for PG?

22:09 <MTughan> Not that I remember for sieve. Dunno if I tried LLR.

22:17 <zombie67> we need some OSX apps on PG BADLY

22:17 <MTughan> Well, I can always try again.

22:17 <MTughan> IIRC, it was ASM problems last time.

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22:33 <Soul_keeper>

22:35 <Soul_keeper>

22:35 <Romulus> Title: Political Dashboard - 2008 Presidential Election on Yahoo! News (at

22:35 <Soul_keeper> apparently you can vote 10,000 times per account ....

22:45 <Tank_Master> heh

22:46 <Tank_Master> then its just a vote on wich is more dishonest

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23:10 <Soul_keeper> apparently

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