IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-11-07

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01:10 <efc> hmm, wonder if stuff will go on sale after thanksgiving, like monitors etc..

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03:45 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 57.5F / 14.2C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Partly cloudy...becoming mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the lower 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. A 50 percent (1 more message)

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03:46 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of showers. Highs in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Cooler with lows in the upper 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming west after midnight.;

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05:48 <CoderForLife> off to w@#%

05:48 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:26 <hawmps> 'lo

06:32 <Welshman> yo

06:33 <hawmps> Hiya W

06:33 <Welshman> I seem to be getting low points for my work recently?

06:34 <Welshman> others in my team are getting higher

06:34 <Welshman> credits I mean

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07:13 <hawmps> no idea..

07:14 <Welshman> I changed my quota to 2days work from 0.25 and since then the credits have gone down

07:15 <Welshman> rosetta has been offline at times and I ran out of work so I stacked up :)

07:15 <hawmps> if you have broadband, and are always on, leave it low.

07:16 <Welshman> yeah, I have put it back to default

07:17 <Welshman> number two in my team and I am trying to catch the leader

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08:17 <busfahrer> Hi. Is there a command-line client for BOINC that can be used to install it as a service, as well? (Like folding@home has)

08:18 <PovAdct_w> the BOINC client *is* command-line

08:19 <PovAdct_w> there is *also* a graphical program that connects to the client and displays what it's doing :)

08:23 <busfahrer> OK, but what about the "service" part of my question? :-)

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08:24 <PovAdct_w> 3

08:24 <PovAdct_w> oops

08:25 <KathrynM> 42, PovAdct_w

08:25 <PovAdct_w> well, the installer lets you choose to install as a service

08:25 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: smashed wrong key :)

08:25 <KathrynM> :)

08:25 <KathrynM> I just finished reading that recently.

08:26 <PovAdct_w> I has a lollipop

08:26 <KathrynM> I have a big bag of them in my desk at w&@^

08:26 <PovAdct_w> !

08:26 <KathrynM> Halloween leftovers

08:27 <PovAdct_w> I felt like I had a bit of low blood pressure while in the subway

08:28 <PovAdct_w> so I bought it to get some sugar

08:28 <busfahrer> PovAdct_w: Installer? I thought we were talking command line :-)

08:28 <KathrynM> what OS busfahrer

08:29 <busfahrer> Windows I guess

08:29 <PovAdct_w> now I feel better but oh well I have no option but to finish the lollipop :)

08:29 <KathrynM> what a predicerment

08:29 <KathrynM> (god I can't spell)

08:29 <PovAdct_w> busfahrer: on Windows you can't get BOINC without an installer :)

08:29 <busfahrer> :-(

08:29 <busfahrer> I have a quadcore Xeon to borg, but it's running Windows, sadly

08:30 <busfahrer> (such a waste...)

08:30 <PovAdct_w> how would you install something via the command line on Windows anyway?

08:30 <KathrynM> at one point, couldn't you unpack it with some sort of command line switch?

08:30 <KathrynM> I remember Jord talking about it

08:30 <busfahrer> Well. With FAH you can download a .zip that contains just one .exe, that exe has a "config" mode where you can tell it to install/remove itself as a service. That's very handy for me

08:31 <busfahrer> KathrynM: That might be possible, but does the CLI have an option "install as service"?

08:31 <PovAdct_w> no, the installer takes care of the service installation

08:31 <KathrynM> There's no way to create a service on Winduhs?

08:32 * KathrynM loves Linux more and more every day

08:32 <busfahrer> Hehe me too

08:32 <busfahrer> Which flavour do you use

08:32 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: there are Windows API functions a program can call to create a service, or you could set up the needed registry keys by hand

08:32 <busfahrer> I'm too stupid to make my own windows service

08:32 <KathrynM> Fedora with KDE

08:33 * PovAdct_w bites lollipop

08:33 <busfahrer> Do they have KDE4 yet?

08:33 <KathrynM> blech.  Yes

08:33 <PovAdct_w> busfahrer: I think they don't have KDE3 anymore :)

08:33 <KathrynM> I hate it

08:34 <KathrynM> pain in the ass more than anything

08:34 <busfahrer> Me too... I'm using Kubuntu and will stay with KDE3 till it reaches its end of life

08:34 * PovAdct_w thinks the only way to get a fast desktop environment on Linux will be to get rid of X

08:34 <KathrynM> I'm considering fluxbox

08:34 <PovAdct_w> I should try xfce

08:34 <KathrynM> because Gnome sucks worse than KDE4

08:35 <busfahrer> Consider switching distros? Debian will have KDE3 for quite a while I guess

08:35 <KathrynM> not on your life.

08:36 <PovAdct_w> but not Debian stable please...

08:36 <KathrynM> I'm a RH girl through and through

08:36 <PovAdct_w> ancient packages

08:36 <busfahrer> If that's  true you should be using CentOS :-P

08:36 <KathrynM> That and the person who helps me is a RH person

08:36 <busfahrer> There'll be a new release soon, and testing is nice to use as well

08:36 <KathrynM> LOL.  I remember when Eric asked me if I had yum.

08:37 <KathrynM> I laughed and said that's what I teach my kids to say when something tastes good

08:37 <KathrynM> :)

08:37 <busfahrer> :-D

08:37 <PovAdct_w> I have tried RedHat

08:37 <PovAdct_w> apt > yum

08:37 <KathrynM> I've never mastered the whole sudo thing

08:37 <KathrynM> lol

08:37 <KathrynM> yum > apt

08:37 <busfahrer> apt > *

08:38 <PovAdct_w> I should try gnome some day

08:38 <busfahrer> emerge == apt > *

08:38 <PovAdct_w> so I know where portage is in the scale

08:38 <PovAdct_w> er

08:38 <PovAdct_w> s/gnome/gentoo

08:38 <busfahrer> depending on what you wanna do, imho

08:38 <KathrynM> my brother tried a gentoo system once

08:38 <KathrynM> swears he'll never do it again

08:38 <busfahrer> Gentoo is a really well designed system, if they just built in binary packages  deeper into their concept

08:38 <busfahrer> Compiling everything just bugs you out at some point

08:38 <Welshman> Ubuntu rocks for me

08:39 <PovAdct_w> anyone tried LFS?

08:39 <KathrynM> ???

08:39 <Welshman> Ibex is well smooth

08:39 <busfahrer> Same here. Ubuntu is Debian without having configure everything yourself, stuff you know you'll need (like an X Server)

08:39 <busfahrer> I have done LFS once

08:39 <busfahrer> Very nice learning experience

08:39 <busfahrer> Not for everyday use :-)

08:40 <KathrynM> oh.  read about it once and ran screaming the other way

08:40 <busfahrer> hehe

08:40 <PovAdct_w> I read an interesting article on how to switch distros on a running system...

08:40 <PovAdct_w> actually it does need a reboot, but it can be done over ssh without local access

08:41 <PovAdct_w> looked like you basically had to do by hand what a modern Linux installer does

08:41 <busfahrer> Sure. The concept of locking binaries that are in use originates from the Windows world AFAIK

08:42 <PovAdct_w> busfahrer: well this one did it on a separate partition anyway :)

08:42 <busfahrer> You can delete your IRC client as we speak, no problem

08:43 <PovAdct_w> basically... format new partition, copy stuff into it, chroot in it to configure some stuff, edit the bootloader to start from the new partition, reboot

08:44 <PovAdct_w> also used an interesting grub setting... make the new partition the default *once*... so if it fails to boot, it would start the working one again

08:44 <Welshman> supergrub is a well cool tool

08:45 <Welshman>

08:45 <Romulus> <> (at

08:46 <Welshman> is a more upto date website

08:46 <Romulus> Title: Super Grub Disk Webpage (at

08:46 <Welshman> great when you have dual boot problems

08:47 <Welshman> pcbsd is cool but it deletes the vista windows.exe file

08:47 <Welshman> why I dont know

08:47 <PovAdct_w> does you a favor

08:47 <KathrynM> speaking of which, I either need to fix grub.conf so I can get into my kubuntu partition to update it or I have to sit down and install the OLPC OS on that partition like I've been planning to do.

08:47 <Welshman> so you get a bootloader chain error

08:48 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: have you tried edubuntu?

08:48 <Welshman> spent hours trying to fix it then realized windows.exe had been deleted

08:48 <KathrynM> well...  they're not longer offering it as a separate distro.  it's some sort of addon to Ubuntu CD thing.  However it didn't want to install in Kubuntu.  I didn't feel like debugging it at that point.

08:49 <Welshman> try xubuntu as well

08:49 <KathrynM> Sugar has stuff I'd actually use.  Unfortunately, it doesn't do a very good job with my screen resolution.

08:49 <KathrynM> It's usable but ugly

08:50 <KathrynM> oh well.  early to bed.  gotta w&@^ tomorrow afternoon which means I have to be productive in the AM

08:50 <Welshman> another great tool is sysrescue cd

08:50 <Romulus> Title: Main Page - SystemRescueCd (at

08:50 <Welshman> saved my ass loads of times

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12:16 <MTughan> WPA's been cracked...

12:16 <Romulus> <> (at

12:18 <Tank_Master> read that already

12:18 <Tank_Master> and its not a full crack

12:18 <PovAdct_w> solution: wired

12:18 <MTughan> Tank_Master: I know, but it's a start.

12:19 <Tank_Master> true

12:22 <MTughan> Well, one more class and then I'm off... TGIF.

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12:23 <PovAdct_w> TGIF indeed...

12:23 <Tank_Master> hf

12:24 <RocketJumper21> WPA has been cracked for a long time now, it just takes longer than WEP, any IT Pro should know about the security risks of not using only the best available encryption sceme... 802.11i (WPA2-PSK with AES encryption)

12:24 <PovAdct_w> I remember someone who cracked his neighbor's super-secure wi-fi network

12:24 <PovAdct_w> took 48 hours of heavy brute-forcing

12:25 <MTughan> Yeah, but the new one is practical, as the article said. 12-15 minutes to get the key now.

12:25 <PovAdct_w> if you're wardriving, maybe

12:25 <PovAdct_w> if he lives next door, two weeks is still "practical"

12:25 <MTughan> I think I was using WPA2 with AES on the access point here. But I can't connect anymore (not sure why), so I've switched over to all wired.

12:26 <RocketJumper21> i'm just lookin out for when they can crack 802.11i.... then i'll have to buy a new router, lol

12:26 <PovAdct_w> also, if you connect to somebody else's open wireless, use encrypted connections yourself

12:26 <MTughan> Right now, it's a vulnerability in TKIP.

12:26 <PovAdct_w> (like HTTPS or SSH)

12:26 <Tank_Master> whats i?

12:27 <Tank_Master> I know of a,b,g and n

12:27 <MTughan> The WPA crack. Specifically, TKIP.

12:27 <MTughan> Oh... I think it's just a security standard.

12:27 <RocketJumper21>

12:27 <Romulus> Title: IEEE 802.11i-2004 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

12:27 <MTughan> I know of 802.11X authentication.

12:27 <PovAdct_w> there have been actual cases of people setting up an intentionally-open wi-fi to get people to connect

12:27 <PovAdct_w> and then spying on the data transferred

12:27 <RocketJumper21> i tried that, lol

12:27 <PovAdct_w> stealing passwords

12:28 <MTughan> Out of 10 wireless networks in range here, three are unprotected. There's also an Ad-hoc network called "ANY". I think that's pretty self explanatory.

12:29 <MTughan> Holy crap... New card from Sapphire, the Radon HD4850X2.

12:29 <MTughan> 4 dual-link DVI ports on one card!

12:30 <PovAdct_w> will it blend?

12:30 <MTughan> More than likely, but that's a damn expensive blend.

12:31 <MTughan> Anyway... I really need to be off. At least this class is closer than the other one earlier today...

12:31 <MTughan> Bye.

12:32 <PovAdct_w>

12:32 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #265544 (at

12:32 <PovAdct_w> web apps SUCK

12:36 <PovAdct_w>

12:36 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #180429 (at

12:38 <xcamel> starting to get packed..

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13:03 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

13:04 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 36.0F / 2.2C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.63in / 1003.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 11.0mph / 17.7km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy. Scattered rain showers or light snow showers and patchy drizzle late in the morning...then scattered light snow showers and rain showers in the afternoon. Breezy...colder. High in the upper 30s. West (1 more message)

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13:04 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Low in the upper 20s. Northwest wind around 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy. Isolated flurries. High in the upper 30s. Northwest wind around 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

13:17 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

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13:17 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

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13:17 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

13:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 58.6F / 14.8C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain. Highs in the lower 60s. South wind 5 to 15 mph...except locally an east wind 5 to 15 mph near The Gorge.; Tonight - Rain developing. Lows in the lower 50s. South wind 10 to 15 mph.; (1 more message)

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13:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Saturday - Showers. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

13:18 <Tank_Master> damn its slow

13:18 <wdsmia_w> yea when some idiot keeps slaming it with &mores

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13:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

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13:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

13:18 <wdsmia_w> :P

13:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

13:18 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

13:18 <Tank_Master> :D

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15:29 <Romulus> <> (at

15:33 <xcamel> re-hi

15:33 <efc> moo xcamel

15:34 <xcamel> 'lo Se

15:34 <xcamel> Hiya Ed

15:35 <efc> Got CentOS up and running on laptop here

15:38 <xcamel> interesting

15:48 <efc> &wx 30625

15:48 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 79F / 26C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly sunny with a 20 percent chance of showers and thunderstorms. Highs in the mid 70s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers. Lows in the upper 40s. Light southwest winds.; (1 more message)

15:55 <efc> did a few ethernet speed tests, over 100mpbs I was getting a 12.5mbps transfer rate, but at 10 mpbs only 5.4mbps

15:55 <efc> You'd think it would have kept the 10mpbs nearly maxed. Though, there was an extra hub-switch hop in there.

15:56 <MTughan> Maybe 10Mbps cut in half with the extra hop?

15:56 <efc> Maybe so. I'll try another test.

15:57 <MTughan> Because on 10Mb Ethernet here, I get just under 10Mb both ways.

15:57 <efc> Yes, I've nearly maxed it myself too (and it only took a 386-16!)

15:57 <MTughan> Although... We do actually have three laptops going through that one 10Mb line now. I should see if we can split it up.

15:58 <PovAddict> setting up ethernet is stuff I consider "hardware"

15:58 <MTughan> Not if the DNS or DHCP settings are wrong.

15:58 <PovAddict> I mean to optimize speed and stuff

15:59 <efc> I'm trying to prove to myself that my switch does some good :)

15:59 <MTughan> We have a 100Mb switch here, but like I say, it's sharing a 10Mb line to the outside with three laptops.

15:59 <DerMeister> efc: Note that 10Mb Ethernet runs in half-duplex mode only in most cases.

15:59 <efc> holu collision, batman, the hub does not like this state of affairs

16:00 <MTughan> At the least, I'd look into separating my Mac, because it is acting as a server.

16:01 <MTughan> Hmm, I thought I had brought a gigabit switch with me... No matter.

16:01 <efc> I need some giga-nics so I can feel further justified :)

16:01 <efc> ISA gigabit card, yes!

16:03 <efc> 5 megabit still

16:03 <efc> the colliosion light was on solid

16:03 <MTughan> See DerMeister's comment above too.

16:03 <efc> my speed record was set with FTP. This is samba.

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16:04 <efc> &ping

16:04 <Romulus> pong

16:04 <efc> I survived a cable pull :)

16:04 <MTughan> Hey, Rommie's fast again.

16:04 <MTughan> lol, nice.

16:05 <MTughan> Just thinking about when/if I get a new computer over the holidays... I'd like to play Windows games on it, but run Linux/GNOME and Apache. Know if there's any way heavy graphics will work in a VM?

16:06 <PovAddict> most VMs don't have even *basic* 3D acceleration

16:06 <PovAddict> VMware has some... still beta and limited

16:07 <MTughan> That sucks... I could run Linux under a VM, but that introduces issues of Windows security and a webserver.

16:07 <MTughan> I know you can get Apache for Windows, but I do like the built-in security of *nix.

16:08 <PovAddict> run Linux on the VM?

16:08 <PovAddict> whoa

16:08 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Lenovo X300 (at

16:09 <MTughan> Never seen that commercial, but I have seen the X300 on Lenovo's site.

16:10 <PovAddict> I think that kind of ad would be forbidden here...

16:11 <efc> I used to use NT 4.0's included IIS. I wonder how many milliseconds that would last on the open 'net now.

16:11 <PovAddict> LOL

16:13 <PovAddict> <Keemo> lol, a topic line in a forum:

16:13 <PovAddict> <Keemo> Black Man Given Nation's Worst Job

16:15 <FreeLarry58> humm i really need to try and figure out my settings on ie - you tube goes to american site first but redirects to japenese before loading

16:15 <PovAddict> that's YouTube's fault

16:15 <FreeLarry58> so far the only site that does this to me

16:15 <PovAddict> now they improved it

16:15 <PovAddict> but in the past

16:16 <FreeLarry58> ahh so non something or other site

16:16 <PovAddict> if someone posted a link to

16:16 <MTughan> Someone set the language on YouTube to be Japanese. It can read a cookie.

16:16 <PovAddict> and you clicked

16:16 <MTughan> Or that...

16:16 <PovAddict> it set your YouTube language to Japanese forever

16:16 <FreeLarry58> yuck guess i need to clean out cookies then

16:16 <PovAddict>

16:16 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #180429 (at

16:17 <FreeLarry58> that comes out correctly - yup need big stick to beat myself with

16:18 <FreeLarry58> i think youtube needs a link on page to allow change of language back

16:19 <xcamel> lol

16:19 <MTughan> FreeLarry58: They do.

16:19 * FreeLarry58 watches xcamel roling on floor and wonders when he will recover

16:19 <FreeLarry58> ahh but its in japenes to?

16:20 <xcamel> about this time tomorrow, in mexico

16:20 <FreeLarry58> have a great vacation jay

16:20 <xcamel> I'll peek in now and then

16:20 <MTughan> Up at the top by the logo, are "Worldwide (All)" and "English" left to right for me. I've had to use it to change back from Korean before.

16:20 <MTughan> See you Jay.

16:20 <xcamel> taking the modbook this time

16:20 <FreeLarry58> thanks mt will check

16:20 <MTughan> I don't remember which link it is exactly, but it's one of those.

16:21 <xcamel> not leaving till oh-dark-thirty tomorrow

16:21 <MTughan> Oh, okay.

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16:23 <FreeLarry58> ahh yes just take a chance on clicking and found the uk symbol - at least i can read it again

16:24 <FreeLarry58> dang time to get ready for commute - i'm jealous of jay

16:24 <FreeLarry58> &tca

16:24 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Are you daft?

16:24 <FreeLarry58> &bye

16:24 <Romulus> later ace

16:24 <MTughan> Bye.

16:26 * xcamel really needs the vacation

16:26 <MTughan> PovAddict: I don't suppose using hardware virtualization will enable graphics?

16:26 <MTughan> Or open the graphics card up?

16:26 <PovAddict> that will allow much more efficient access to the CPU

16:26 <PovAddict> and that's it

16:27 <MTughan> All right. Suitable for BOINC, and that's it.

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16:27 <PovAddict> VMware is the only VM I know that provides *some* support for 3D hardware acceleration

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17:08 <xcamel> &wx 12074

17:09 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 56.4F / 13.6C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Patchy fog this evening...then areas of fog after midnight. A slight chance of showers with patchy drizzle after midnight. Lows in the mid 50s. Light and variable winds... becoming southeast around 5 mph (2 more messages)

17:09 <xcamel> &more

17:09 <Romulus> xcamel: after midnight. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. Showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Cooler with lows in the mid 40s. Southwest winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Areal Flood Advisory (1 more message)

17:09 <xcamel> &more

17:09 <Romulus> xcamel: for Saratoga County in effect until 11:15 AM EST on November 08, 2008;

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17:24 <jackygrahamez> hi everyone

17:27 <jackygrahamez> hi all

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17:33 <KathrynM> jack!

17:34 <PovAddict> zomg hide

17:36 <Tank_Master> jackygrahamez!

17:36 <KathrynM> lol

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17:39 <KathrynM> it's not yet 8am on a saturday.  why am I up?

17:40 <PovAddict> it's 8:30pm on a friday (TGIF btw) and I don't have motivation for *anything*

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17:41 <KathrynM> PovAddict,

17:41 <Romulus> Title: ESL Teaching (at

17:41 <PovAddict> I'd even have to make a huge effort to get off the chair and go to bed :P

17:41 <KathrynM> aren't they cute?

17:41 <PovAddict> yes, but I still admire your patience :|

17:41 <KathrynM> lol

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17:42 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

17:42 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Mist | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 6:00 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:69 F. / 21 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Chance of Rain. High:64 F. / 18 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F. / 8 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:46 F. (1 more message)

17:42 <KathrynM> &more

17:42 <Romulus> KathrynM: / 8 C.;

17:43 <xcamel> 'lo K

17:44 <Rookie_69> The / 8 ° C. takes less space than the (1 more message) but...

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17:44 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

17:44 <Rookie_69> Hi J, K.

17:48 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

17:48 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 55.4°F / 13.0°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h | Updated: 6:48 PM AST; Tonight - Periods of drizzle or rain. Risk of a thundershower this evening. Amount 5 to 10 mm(0.2 to 0.4 in). Fog patches. Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this evening. Low 12C(54F).; (1 more message)

17:48 <Rookie_69> &more

17:48 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Saturday - Periods of drizzle ending in the morning then cloudy. Fog patches dissipating in the morning. High 16C(61F). Saturday night cloudy. 40 percent chance of drizzle late in the evening and overnight. Fog patches developing in the evening. Low 12C(54F).; Sunday - Periods of rain. High 13C(55F).;

17:49 <Rookie_69> Hmm... 16C tomorrow and the boat's out of the water. Oh well.

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17:52 <MTughan> I should get our Korean homestay student on here and talking to you KathrynM. :P

17:53 <xcamel> &weather MMLP

17:53 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 84°F / 29°C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 3:46 PM MST; Scattered Clouds. High:82 F. / 28 C.; Clear. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:66 F. / 19 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:66 F. / 19 C.;

17:53 <xcamel> that's more like it...

17:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: yeah and teach her Korean :)

17:53 <MTughan> Hehe...

17:54 <PovAddict> I will try to go and do something productive

17:54 * PovAddict disables IRC notifications

17:54 <MTughan> PovAddict! >:D

17:54 <PovAddict> I saw that

17:54 <PovAddict> just because I hadn't closed the IRC window yet

17:55 <PovAddict> didn't show the annoying bubble :)

17:55 <MTughan> Okay, so at least you're competent. xD

17:56 <efc> &math convert 4.85 miles to km

17:56 <Romulus> efc: 7.8053184

17:56 <efc> 44:34

17:57 <efc> &math convert 6.125 miles to km

17:57 <Romulus> efc: 9.857232

17:57 <efc> almost there... feet gave out :(

17:58 <Rookie_69> &math convert 10 km to miles

17:58 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 6.21371192237

17:59 <PovAddict> what the o.O

17:59 <MTughan> I thought you were removing distractions?

17:59 <PovAddict> quiet you

17:59 <MTughan> lol

17:59 <PovAddict> the only way to do that is to take my computer into a cave

18:00 <PovAddict> seriously

18:00 <PovAddict> I come back from work, nobody home

18:00 <PovAddict> yay silence

18:00 <PovAddict> 5 minutes later my mom comes back... starts asking how was my day and stuff, then turns on the radio

18:01 <PovAddict> I have no hope of concentrating

18:01 <MTughan> I don't suppose you can provide me with a quick synopsis on POV-Ray command line options? I can't get the man page to display, and --help is worthless.

18:02 <PovAddict> switches aren't just -switch, that may be the opposite of what you want many times; usually, +stuff enables it and -stuff disables it

18:02 <MTughan> All right...

18:02 <PovAddict> with plain "settings" like image size (-w and -h), you can use either + or - and it's the same

18:03 <PovAddict> +w640 +h480 +a0.3 uses 640x480, and turns on antialias (with threshold 0.3; which is the default anyway, so +a is equivalent)

18:03 <MTughan> Hehe... There's a "tgif" package on Fedora.

18:03 <MTughan> How about input files? Just tack them on?

18:03 <PovAddict> you can only render one at a time

18:04 <MTughan> Input file then.

18:04 <PovAddict> just tack them on, or use +i<filename>

18:04 <MTughan> All right, that should be enough for now. Thanks.

18:04 <MTughan> Gah, this is slow... WTF.

18:05 <PovAddict> +d enables a preview window

18:05 <PovAddict> (if it's not already on by default)

18:07 <PovAddict> +o or -o changes output filename (+ofilename); -f turns off file output (and +f turns it on); +f followed by a letter can be used to change the output format (+fn is PNG)

18:09 <Rookie_69> Aww... POV has got a Simon and Garfinkle tune running through my head.

18:09 <PovAddict> if you're rendering a slow scene, and you want a quick n dirty preview first, you can use +sp16 +ep4 (it renders a mosaic preview of 16x16 px, then 8x8, 4x4, and finally starts the final render; but by then you know roughly what it looks like)

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18:32 <Rookie_69> Mmm... Oatmeal...

18:32 <xiaou> heh

18:33 <MTughan> That was completely random... And I don't like oatmeal.

18:33 <xiaou> I think that word is in my hostmask

18:34 <MTughan> Oh, that's where... Okay, I don't see the hostnames here by default. I have to do a little digging.

18:34 <MTughan> So less random, but I still don't like oatmeal (the food).

18:35 <xiaou> its kind of like squash or water.  There's not much there to like or dislike.  It just sort of is.

18:35 <Rookie_69> That instant stuff with all the sweetener is pretty good.

18:35 <MTughan> I don't think you can dislike water.

18:35 <xiaou> I'm not a fan of it myself but only because there are so many other things that have a better flavor when it comes to breakfast

18:35 <xiaou> Like, well, everything

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18:36 <xiaou> see, now I want waffles.

18:36 <xiaou> *sigh*

18:36 <MTughan> And what time is it where you are?

18:36 <xiaou> oh like 6:30p

18:36 <MTughan> I just finished dinner about an hour ago.

18:37 <MTughan> Oh, so you're EST too... So why waffles at 6:30PM?

18:37 <xiaou> just keeping with the breakfast theme.  It's kinda nice having breakfast at night sometimes

18:38 <xiaou> and what I've got for dinner is kinda lousy.  Leftover chili or pigs in the blanket

18:38 <MTughan> Pigs in the blanket... Sausages?

18:38 <xiaou> I wish!

18:38 <Rookie_69> Cereal makes a great supper.

18:38 <MTughan> I had a plate of pasta and four slices of pizza... Very good.

18:39 <xiaou> it's a local dish I guess, you take ground beef, mix it with rice and form cylinders which you then wrap in cabbage, concoct a red sauce as a topping and bake

18:39 <Rookie_69> halopchi

18:39 <MTughan> Sounds like Korean gim (sp?).

18:39 <xiaou> It offends me because it involves cabbage and while the label makes you think it may contain delicious pork

18:40 <xiaou> it does not.

18:40 <Rookie_69> ... or cabbage rolls...

18:40 <xiaou> mm cereal

18:40 <xiaou> I'd love some bogolgi (sp?) speaking of korean food

18:40 <MTughan> Don't you just love #boinc? We're talking about breakfast foods...

18:41 <MTughan> Oddest spelling ever... Bologna.

18:41 <xiaou> I was wondering if freenode had anything besides support channels

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18:41 <MTughan> Oh, nvm... Thinking something else. :P

18:41 <MTughan> Bulgogi looks about right.

18:41 <xiaou> bolgolgi is maybe how its spelled.  It's like BBQ beef.  Its a korean food

18:41 <MTughan> Or whatever... I have no idea.

18:41 <Rookie_69> Breakfast Television...

18:42 <MTughan> Yeah, we have a Korean high school student staying with us at home (I'm currently at university). He's introduced us to a lot of Korean style dishes.

18:42 <xiaou> me neither really.  Hey I have a boinc question if I'm really supposed to limit discussion to that?

18:42 <CoderForLife> I like flat dishes the best

18:42 <xiaou> oh cool.  I prefer bowls

18:42 <MTughan> We talk about whatever the topic is, but shoot the question anyway.

18:43 <xiaou> but yeah korean food is nice.  I like it anyway

18:43 <Rookie_69> If we really have to, maybe we'll answer a BOINC question...

18:43 <MTughan> lol

18:43 <xiaou> well it's not really important but since you offered

18:43 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

18:43 <CoderForLife> what's BOINC?

18:43 <Romulus> BOINC is all perfect and stuff, CoderForLife

18:43 <MTughan> rofl

18:43 <wdsmia> lol

18:43 <CoderForLife> hello Glenn

18:44 <CoderForLife> I thought this was the weather channel

18:44 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:44 <MTughan> &weather YYZ

18:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 50.9F / 10.5C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.69in / 1005.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear this evening...then becoming mostly cloudy after midnight. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming light southwest winds late. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

18:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 55°F / 13°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Rain Showers | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 6:36 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy. A few showers beginning this evening and ending overnight. Fog patches near Lake Ontario early this evening. Low 7C(45F).; Saturday - Becoming cloudy in the morning. A few showers beginning in (1 more message)

18:44 <MTughan> Damn it, wrong airport code...

18:44 <CoderForLife> &more

18:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Highs in the upper 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

18:44 <MTughan> &wx YOW

18:44 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 57°F / 14°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy with 30 percent chance of drizzle this evening and 40 percent chance of showers overnight. Low 9C(48F).; Saturday - A few showers ending in the afternoon then cloudy. High 13C(55F). Saturday night cloudy. (1 more message)

18:44 <MTughan> &more

18:44 <Romulus> MTughan: 40 percent chance of showers overnight. Low 2C(36F).; Sunday - Cloudy with 40 percent chance of showers. High 9C(48F).;

18:44 <xiaou> I was wondering if I boinc projects would be able to out of the box utilize a ps3 basd distributed/super/neat thing cluster

18:44 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 33.0F / 0.6C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 10.0mph / 16.1km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Numerous snow showers. Little or no new snow accumulation. West wind around 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with scattered light snow showers. Low in the (1 more message)

18:45 <wdsmia> &more

18:45 <Romulus> wdsmia: upper 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Saturday - Cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow showers. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

18:45 <CoderForLife> all weather, all the time

18:45 <MTughan> xiaou: I think the address is.

18:45 <Romulus> Title: GPUGRID (at

18:45 <MTughan> Yep.

18:45 <xiaou> nice

18:45 <Rookie_69> Whether Channel...

18:45 <MTughan> Hey, they restructured their site...

18:46 <Soul_keeper> are they going to support ATI cards too ?

18:46 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: I would guess once BOINC supports it natively.

18:46 <MTughan> However, AI should have an ATI GPU app around the end of the year.

18:46 <CoderForLife> brb  need checkbook to pay some folks

18:46 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

18:46 <MTughan> Holy crap... It's two months to the end of 2008...

18:47 <Soul_keeper> probably still reading through the 500+ pages of the brooke api stuff ...

18:47 <MTughan> That was fast.

18:47 <xiaou> I just figure in the next year or two it'll start being possible to pick up used/dead hdd PS3's for $100 or so a pop.  That's a lot of cycles potentially

18:47 <MTughan> 4000RAC on one.

18:47 <xiaou> I've no idea what kind of cluster / distributed computing product boinc projects would prefer though

18:48 <Soul_keeper> they'll be 30 bucks when the PS4 comes out i bet ....

18:48 <MTughan> Considering I think I can maybe squeeze 800-900RAC out of a dual-core laptop, that's pretty nice.

18:49 <xiaou> Yep.  No idea what an RAC is.

18:49 <MTughan> Recent Average Credit. An estimate of how much credit a machine makes in a day.

18:50 <xiaou> mm.  I wonder what a cell proc gets.

18:50 <MTughan> The PS3? 4000RAC from what I've seen.

18:50 <xiaou> good god

18:51 <MTughan> And my estimates are off... Said laptop was actually up around 1200RAC. However, PS3 still trumps that.

18:51 <xiaou> that's still probably very respectable.  The cell proc is/was supposed to be quite the power tool and lappy's aren't usually made for heavy lifting.  Power consumption being a consideration and all

18:52 <MTughan> Looks like the graphics cards on the project can run anywhere from 800RAC to 20,000RAC.

18:52 <MTughan> It's a 2.53GHz Core 2 Duo, so it is a bit of a workhorse.

18:52 <Soul_keeper> so i have a quad, dual, laptop, and athlon running WCG 24/7  and only put in like 2000RAC ....

18:53 <xcamel> RAC? -- 'really aggravating crap'

18:53 <MTughan> lol

18:53 <Soul_keeper> it's all nonesense

18:53 <xiaou> don't feel bad.  I'm still using athlon XP's

18:54 <MTughan> I have a Core Duo and a C2D (look up). Looking at getting a quad over the holidays though.

18:55 <MTughan> Are the Athlons 64-bit or is that even before that?

18:55 <xiaou> before that :)

18:56 <MTughan> lol nice... I have a P4 at home.

18:56 <xiaou> I've got a 1800xp and 2600xp

18:56 <xiaou> oof

18:56 <xiaou> the early P4's are awesome

18:56 <xiaou> hehehe

18:56 <xiaou> 19 registers!

18:56 <MTughan> It's a 2.8GHz OC'd to 3.05GHz. Prescott.

18:56 <MTughan> rofl

18:56 <xiaou> omgsofastclockspeed!

18:56 <MTughan> And one hell of a heat pusher.

18:57 <xiaou> those poor processors.  Memory bubbles from hell.

18:57 <xiaou> the p3, not THAT was a processor

18:57 <xiaou> I used to work in an DEC shop years ago.  I've had this discussion a few times...

18:58 <xiaou> s/not/now

18:58 <MTughan> How old's your XP 2600?

18:58 <xiaou> I was actually thinking of picking up a couple old p4's for world community till I lit on the ps3 idea

18:58 <xiaou> hm..I got it from a guy about 2-3 years ago I guess

18:58 <xiaou> No idea how long he had it

18:59 <MTughan> Your welcome to this one if you want. I'm just replacing the core of the machine with newer parts.

18:59 <xiaou> the 1800xp I've probably had for 5 years?

18:59 <MTughan> Yeah, definitely older than the P4 I have... Got it in summer 2004.

19:00 <xiaou> well, that would be cool.  Lemme think a minute.

19:01 <MTughan> There it is... Stock freq of 2.8GHz, 800MT/s FSB. Has 1GB of DDR RAM (I forget the frequency) and an ASUS P4C800E-Deluxe mobo.

19:01 <MTughan> Oh, and an ATI AiW 9600XT.

19:02 <xiaou> Oh wow, that sounds like a pretty solid rig.  No wonder you've had it so long.

19:02 <MTughan> Lasted me four years.

19:02 <xiaou> Have you ever tried to cluster any of your boxes for boinc projects?

19:02 <MTughan> Let me see if I can find the RAM speed...

19:03 <MTughan> What do you mean by cluster?

19:03 <xiaou> it doesnt really matter about ram speed.  You can't keep a P4 fed from what I've heard.

19:03 <MTughan> I think it's DDR-400 anyway.

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19:05 <xiaou> Cluster is a loaded term.  I guess by any name I'm talking about having a set of n+1 computers connected to each other by some sort of network iface to share the load of chunking away at a CPU intensive process.  Video rendering is a popular choice but I'm thinking specifically toward a boinc project like world community

19:05 <xiaou> or rosetta@home, etc

19:05 <MTughan> So just BOINC on a smaller scale?

19:06 <MTughan> Yeah, it's DDR-400 RAM.

19:06 <MTughan> 2x512MB of OCZ.

19:07 <xiaou> I think so.  Same purpose as the ps3's.  instead of having all my systems each run their own boinc set I could have some of them dedicated to work together (since they're the old systems).  Spitting out work accomplished together probably faster than what they could do individually

19:07 <MTughan> Anyway about clustering... No, I've never tried it. Kind of hard with only one computer. :P

19:07 <Tank_Master> heh

19:07 <Tank_Master> and ypu call yourself a cruncher, MTughan?

19:07 <Tank_Master> you*

19:07 <xiaou> I'm sure there's a scalar problem.  past 2 nodes I bet you probablyu start getting diminishing returns

19:07 <MTughan> I have two computers now, but they don't run the same OS.

19:08 <xiaou> but while it doesnt exactly line up the girliez, I think its cool to build a "supercomputer"

19:08 <MTughan> Oh, where's that thing... One sec.

19:09 <xiaou> sure I'll brb, smoke break + gotta find that sytupid cat

19:09 <MTughan>

19:09 <MTughan>

19:09 <Romulus> <> (at

19:09 <Romulus> <> (at

19:09 <MTughan> Run up to 8 AMD procs with those two boards in tandem on a server. xD

19:11 <MTughan> All support quad-cores, meaning up to 32 cores.

19:11 <xcamel> that would leave a mark...

19:12 <MTughan> Say maybe 700RAC with each core?

19:12 <MTughan> &math 700 * 32

19:12 <Romulus> MTughan: 22400

19:12 <MTughan> Plus maybe more with some Nvidia GPUs thrown in... xD

19:13 <xiaou> good god

19:13 <xiaou> haha

19:13 <xiaou> I'd dim the block

19:13 <xiaou> Oh!

19:13 <xcamel> massively parallel computing platform..

19:13 <xiaou> I had an alphaserver 2100 once

19:13 <MTughan> It has two PCIe x16 slots... Throw some GeForce 9800GX2s in there... 4 more GPUs to crunch for you.

19:14 <xiaou> it had two 233mhz EV4's or something similar in it.  Big processor cards, only like 256mb ram though I think.  external SCSI tower would hold 8 drives, dual power

19:14 <xiaou> You thought a cessna was powering up for flight when I switched that hog on

19:14 <MTughan> lol

19:15 <MTughan> I wouldn't be surprised if you could average 35,000RAC with that.

19:15 <MTughan> The 8 proc server boards, that is.

19:16 <MTughan> Probably cost you about $6000+ to make, plus all the power at the end...

19:16 <xiaou> nah, the alphas are supposedly good processors but I never had one modern enough to show me anything special.  I had a 100mhz alphastation, little workstation job I was trying to shoehorn redhat onto once

19:17 <xiaou> it dropped frames in curses.  I gave up on it

19:17 <MTughan> What version of Red Hat?

19:18 <xiaou> this is going back a few years.  I want to say 6.4 but I'm not certain.  My clique at the time had no time for anything but debian based distros which digital never had an interest in supporting so it was sort of doomed from the get go

19:18 <MTughan> I think Red Hat is only at 5.5... Hold on.

19:19 <MTughan> 5.2.

19:19 <xiaou> I think they got up to at least 7 before they split off to server only

19:19 <xiaou> this was pre-fedora

19:19 <MTughan> Are you thinking of Fedora?

19:19 <MTughan> Ah, I see... Yeah, okay.

19:19 <xiaou> nah, I think it was 2002 when I had to call my brother down to the house to help me carry it to a dumpster

19:20 <MTughan> Red Hat 6.2 was released April 2000, 7 in September 2000.

19:21 <xiaou> that may be it then

19:21 <xiaou> I know I did get it on the alphaserver but I had a heck of a time on that alphastation.

19:22 <xiaou> it was fun but all of it a bit ridiculous after awhile

19:22 <MTughan> Probably.

19:22 <MTughan> If you were wanting Red Hat today for free, you'd go to CentOS or Fedora.

19:23 <xiaou> I never managed to become a fan of their products despite the relative greater acceptance in enterprise computing

19:24 <MTughan> Maybe. I've never tried CentOS myself, but I've run Fedora since v5.

19:24 <MTughan> Running v8 on one of the laptops here now.

19:24 <xiaou> Oh yeah?  I'm using debian for file/print/music serving and ubuntu for desktop stuff

19:25 <MTughan> I found I didin't really like Ubuntu when I was checking out a couple Linux distros at first.

19:26 <xiaou> I picked up some AIX before I got out of the industry but it's gone now.  I get out of my depth pretty quickly.  OpenVMS sure kicked my tail around the block.

19:26 <MTughan> The other laptop here is running an unlikely Unix...

19:27 <MTughan> Mac OS X Leopard.

19:27 <xiaou> I think it's a real uphill struggle to get/remain comfortable with more than one operating system for most people

19:27 <MTughan> Hehe. I can deal with XP, some Vista, OS X Tiger and Leopard, and most Linux distros at any one time.

19:27 <xiaou> I know a guy, well, haven't talked to him in a year or so but I bet he's still running his website, etc on a slackware box.

19:28 <xiaou> nothing wrong with that

19:28 <MTughan> I think that covers mostly everything. :P

19:28 <xiaou> I never did get comfortable "fixing" windows

19:29 <MTughan> Although with Linux, I only have experience with general command line, GNOME, and KDE. No xfce.

19:29 <MTughan> You never fix Windows.

19:29 <xiaou> it always seemed to be almost invariably easier to maintain two HDD's.  One for OS, one for data.  WHen you BSOD, just reinstall

19:29 <MTughan> Are programs installed on the data drive too?

19:30 <xiaou> I don't think you had that option as of win2k

19:30 <xiaou> maybe xp and higher gives you that capability

19:30 <MTughan> Not sure. I've never tried putting them on separate partitions/drives myself.

19:31 <xiaou> with win2k at least it seemed like when something was installed it really got deeply interwoven with the system files of the OS

19:31 <xiaou> a /bin directory is a really beautiful thing

19:31 <MTughan> I think the open source programs are better at that, but it's still a mess.

19:32 <MTughan> I still think OS X has the most elegant solution of all: all files for a program are in one directory except for preferences.

19:33 <xiaou> probably, I'm no expert on it.  All this is just a hobby now, keeps me off the streets.  Sure the gangbangers want me back but I stay strong, and just geek out at home.

19:33 <MTughan> For example, if I wanted to delete Firefox, I'd just drag the folder from /Applications to the Trash. That removes everything except temporary storage and prefs.

19:33 <MTughan> lol

19:33 <xiaou> hehehe

19:34 <xiaou> Apple is a compelling company

19:34 <MTughan> Hey, CAD sillies are up... For anyone interested.

19:35 <xiaou> but underneath that birkenstock wearing, sierra club hiking, volvo driving slick exterior is the wrathful clenched iron fist of an overlord.

19:35 <xiaou> or so I have heard

19:35 <MTughan> You mean Steve Jobs?

19:35 <xiaou> yep

19:35 <xiaou> I think its kind of ironic but look at the iphone

19:35 <MTughan> Possible. I don't know too much about what goes on in Apple.

19:36 <MTughan> The NDA on the iPhone has been removed.

19:36 <xiaou> oh neat

19:36 <MTughan> And the kernel, named Darwin, is open source. Probably because it's based on FreeBSD.

19:36 <xiaou> well I just figured there was a good business aspect to it.  when you control the product you get to engineer more tightly

19:37 <MTughan> Yeah.

19:37 <xiaou> You don't have to accomodate, interoperate, etc.  It has its benefits to the user and the company.

19:37 <xiaou> however, it does also tend to leave you with one fountainhead.

19:37 <xiaou> hey, I'm hungry

19:37 <xiaou> bbiaf

19:37 <MTughan> lol

19:38 <MTughan>

19:38 <Romulus> <> (at

19:46 <xiaou> haha

19:50 <xiaou>

19:50 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Faust 2.0 (at

19:50 <xiaou> a challenger appears

19:51 * Rookie_69 waves goodbye and says goodnight and wanders off into the ether... Aw... See ya.

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19:54 <xiaou> hm, I think I may catch some tv

19:56 <CoderForLife> &seen thoren

19:56 <Romulus> CoderForLife: thoren was last seen in #boinc 2 years, 0 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: <thoren> thank you, my google-foo must be broken today

19:58 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news November 7, 2008

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20:44 <Soul_keeper> sears used to sell heroin kits for $1.50  ...

20:44 <Soul_keeper> history channel is great

20:46 * xcamel peeks in

20:47 <Soul_keeper> it was invented by bayer as a cough medicine

20:48 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Heroin@Home?

20:48 <Soul_keeper> lol

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20:59 <Tank_Master> pimp@home

21:02 <wdsmia> Idiot_Boinc_user@home

21:02 <PovAddict> the worst ones are where the idiot is the admin, not the users...

21:03 <wdsmia> ok Idiot_admin@home :P

21:03 <Tank_Master>

21:04 <MTughan> That actually showed up as an email address on here... o_O

21:04 <PovAddict> why wouldn't it :)

21:05 <wdsmia> admin@up_DA's_butt... large group

21:05 <MTughan> rofl

21:07 <Tank_Master> :P

21:21 <KathrynM> oh man, I missed the Korean food discussion

21:23 <wdsmia> yum kimchee

21:25 <KathrynM>

21:25 <Romulus> <> (at

21:25 <KathrynM> there you go.  A korean dish you too can cook at home

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22:43 <MTughan> Gah... Why do people find it so interesting to rip paper off of walls?

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22:57 <efc> I don't know.. let me try it

22:58 <MTughan> lol

23:10 <MTughan> efc: Just how much stuff are you ripping down?

23:12 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i got a 13yr old girl in my channel, could be trouble

23:12 <MTughan> lol

23:19 <Soul_keeper> i told her she can't hang out if she don't get A's and B's in school

23:20 <MTughan> What's the channel about anyway? That can affect the seriousness of it...

23:21 <Soul_keeper> linux channel, she don't even know what an operating system is

23:21 <MTughan> Tell her she's using one.

23:22 <Soul_keeper> lol

23:22 <MTughan> #linuxsociety?

23:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah

23:23 <Soul_keeper> go talk to her, she's lonely

23:23 <MTughan> What, did the name just catch her eye? If she doesn't know what an OS is, she probably doesn't recognize Linux.

23:23 <MTughan> Okay... Sure.

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