IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-11-08

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00:31 <efc> moo

00:31 <MTughan> 'lo e

00:31 <MTughan> perl -wlne'END{print$n}eof&&$n++;/<title>([^<]+)/i&&$n--' *

00:32 <MTughan> Know what that does? (It won't harm your computer, don't worry)

00:41 <efc> It confuses me, for one

00:47 <efc> Trouble with Tribbles type episode on sanctuary

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01:14 <MTughan> Not sure if it's been posted before and I'm just repeating information, but Nehalem has been slated for November 17th.

01:14 <Tank_Master> 16th

01:14 <MTughan> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2333978,00.asp

01:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5j5rud> (at www.pcmag.com)

01:14 <MTughan> 17th there.

01:15 <Tank_Master> 16th in all the other things I have read

01:15 <Tank_Master> though 17th would be more of a typical day of the week

01:15 <Tank_Master> manday

01:22 <MTughan> I just noticed that because I found a place with X58 motherboards on the site, and wondered if Nehalem had been released. Wikipedia page for Core i7 referenced that link up there.

01:23 <MTughan> The Asus P6T Deluxe, priced at $375 CDN.

01:25 <Tank_Master> thats the board I wanna get

01:25 <MTughan> I think it'll be too high for a budget of $800 for me, unless I really go low on the vid card.

01:26 <Tank_Master> true

01:26 <Tank_Master> or get used

01:26 <MTughan> Because $375 plus about $275 for the CPU makes for $650 right there.

01:26 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:26 <Tank_Master> thought the CPU will probably be more

01:26 <MTughan> Leaves $150 for RAM, DDR3 nonetheless, and a video card.

01:26 <Tank_Master> and if you want a real heatsink...

01:26 <MTughan> I'd have to go with Intel's default unfortunately.

01:27 <Tank_Master> gonna reuse your case, hd, DVD, ps?

01:27 <MTughan> Yep.

01:27 <Tank_Master> ahh

01:27 <Tank_Master> probably a good call

01:27 <MTughan> There's no way I could replace all those without scaling down even Core 2 components.

01:27 <Tank_Master> yeah

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01:28 <Tank_Master> sucks getting bleading edge

01:28 <MTughan> There it is... Core i7 920 is priced at $284.

01:28 <Tank_Master> sounds about right

01:28 <MTughan> For the 1000 part distribution.

01:28 <Tank_Master> ya

01:29 <MTughan> So maybe $100 for RAM and video card. That's cutting it close.

01:30 <efc> new computer.. mmm

01:31 <MTughan> Even 2x1GB sticks will run me $70 at DDR3-1066 speeds.

01:31 <Tank_Master> youll want 3 though

01:31 <MTughan> So the Nehalem was not meant to be for me unless Christmas comes aplenty.

01:31 <MTughan> I know I'll want three, but the cheapest kit here is a 2x1GB.

01:32 <MTughan> I have another $800 in the bank besides what I can make, but that was given to me by my grandmother for transportation costs. I really don't want to tap into that.

01:33 <Tank_Master> yeah

01:33 <Tank_Master> getting to work is good

01:34 <MTughan> Doesn't look like NCIX has pricing for mobos yet...

01:34 <MTughan> Neither does Newegg.

01:36 <Tank_Master> huh

01:36 <Tank_Master> pricewatch?

01:36 <Tank_Master> I know its US... but theres probably a can counterpart

01:36 <MTughan> Doesn't matter ATM...

01:37 <Tank_Master> not that the CAD and the USD are far appart anymore

01:37 <MTughan> No socket B or LGA1366 boards.

01:37 <MTughan> &currency convert USD to CAD

01:37 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.00 usd = 1.19 cad

01:41 <MTughan> What the... Looks like the CAD jumped up quite a bit around the time of the big NASDAQ drops.

01:42 <Tank_Master> not suprising

01:42 <MTughan> I would have thought the US dollar declined in value though, not ours.

01:43 <MTughan> Started the big climb at the beginning of October.

01:43 <Tank_Master> huh

01:43 <MTughan> Was up to about $1.3CAD/$1USD at the max...

01:43 <MTughan> http://free.charts.xe.com/Misc/promoChart.asp

01:43 <Romulus> Title: Free Forex Charts (at free.charts.xe.com)

01:46 <MTughan> It's a little slow, but it works.

01:55 <efc> I think an 'old' penryn might work out better, considering the lower platform costs..

01:57 <MTughan> I'm looking at a Kentsfield Core 2 Quad. AKA, the hugely overclockable Q6600.

01:58 <MTughan> If the money's not there for Nehalem.

01:59 <MTughan> And what do you mean by old? Penryn ain't that old.

02:01 <MTughan> Yo efc: desktop or laptop processor? The 45nm desktops are Wolfdale, not Penryn.

02:02 <MTughan> Hehe... A quad-core Penryn laptop processor with a TDP of 45W.

02:02 <MTughan> Fuck... Fire alarm!

02:02 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:04 <efc> oh, desk

02:05 <efc> guess i will wait until after Thanksgiving though

02:07 <efc> I put this current system together in 2004 I believe

02:08 * Tank_Master asks MTughan to please slap wdsmia on the way out

02:09 <efc> yorkfield, thats the one

02:09 <Tank_Master> 45nm quads?

02:12 <efc> yes

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02:19 <MTughan> Sorry for the language here... But who the fuck pulls a fire alarm at 2 in the morning? Even if it is a Friday night.

02:19 <wdsmia> asks MTughan to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

02:19 * Tank_Master asks MTughan to please slap wdsmia on the way back in

02:20 <MTughan> At least it's not as cold outside as it was a couple days ago.

02:20 <Tank_Master> lol

02:20 <Tank_Master> true

02:20 <MTughan> Tank_Master: First I swear, and then I'm supposed to slap the chanop?

02:20 <efc3> 2.83g, $320, seems pricey

02:20 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:20 <MTughan> Do you have a vendetta against me or something?

02:20 <Tank_Master> LOL

02:20 <Tank_Master> no

02:20 <Tank_Master> just scripts

02:20 <MTughan> It's hard to tell sometimes.

02:21 <Tank_Master> ahh, yeah, facial expressions would help...

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02:27 <Tank_Master> &cyborg VPL

02:27 <Romulus> Tank_Master: V.P.L.: Violence and Peacekeeping Lifeform

02:27 <Tank_Master> waa?

02:50 <efc3> phenoms still good dollar for dollar?

02:50 <Tank_Master> they never were that I knew of

02:52 <MTughan> Same here. I believe the C2Qs were always better value.

02:56 <efc3> I see

02:58 <Tank_Master> I cant wait to get my hands on an i7

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03:43 <MTughan> Very very cool... http://superpositioned.com/2006/03/09/measure-the-speed-of-light-with-chips

03:43 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5u9ew9> (at superpositioned.com)

03:44 <MTughan> Measure the speed of light with a microwave and some chocolate chips.

03:44 <MTughan> It's the UF.org LOTD (Link of the Day).

03:44 <MTughan> Explosm's up too.

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05:32 <CoderForLife> plink 134.117.165.23 - trying to fetch /etc/passwd through web site hack

06:36 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:36 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 43.8°F / 6.6°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6.9mph / 11.1km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Cloudy. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

06:37 <CoderForLife> off to do the usual Saturday morning errands - bbl

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07:36 <Welshman> oops

07:50 <Welshman> hey I wonder my boinc rosetta does not use opensource sql

07:50 <Welshman> is microsofts stuff better?

07:55 <paul_b> some projects release the source, some don't

07:56 <paul_b> oh i understand the Q now, sorry

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08:34 <Welshman> :)

09:42 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

09:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 32.5°F / 0.3°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 13.6mph / 21.9km/h ; Today - Cloudy. A slight chance of light snow showers in the morning...then scattered light snow showers in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of snow 30 percent.; (1 more message)

09:42 <wdsmia> &more

09:42 <Romulus> wdsmia: Tonight - Cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. High around 40. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

09:58 <Welshman> whats the command for lourdes france

09:58 <Welshman> lourdes is the nearest big place to me

10:06 <CoderForLife> &wx lourdes, france

10:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: Variable | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:42 ° F. / 6 ° C.; Overcast. High:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:44 ° F. / 7 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. High:64 ° F. / 18 ° C.; Overcast. Low:44 ° (1 more message)

10:06 <CoderForLife> &more

10:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: F. / 7 ° C.;

10:07 <CoderForLife> there ya go, Welshman

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10:37 <MTughan> CoderForLife: Sorry for not trying it earlier... 134.117.165.23 is my new laptop, was running nmap.

10:37 <MTughan> Was wondering when you'd notice. :P

10:38 <MTughan> That wasn't anything fancy, just an OS detection through nmap.

10:38 <CoderForLife> what?

10:38 <CoderForLife> It was trying to fetch /etc/passwd

10:39 <MTughan> Really? That's something in nmap then... Maybe I should check the source.

10:39 <MTughan> But if you take a look at my IP, it's 134.117.165.42. Same first three digits.

10:39 <CoderForLife> Attempts to use known hacks by 1 hosts were logged 10 time(s) from:

10:39 <CoderForLife>     134.117.165.23: 10 Time(s)

10:39 <CoderForLife>        passwd$ 8 Time(s)

10:39 <CoderForLife>        ^null$ 2 Time(s)

10:39 <CoderForLife> Requests with error response codes

10:39 <CoderForLife>     400 Bad Request

10:39 <CoderForLife>        %2E%2E%5C%2E%2E%5C%2E%2E%5C%2E%2E%5C%2E%2E ... %5Cetc%5Cpasswd: 1 Time(s)

10:39 <CoderForLife>     403 Forbidden

10:39 <CoderForLife>     404 Not Found

10:40 <CoderForLife>        %2E%2E%2E%2F%2E%2E%2F%2E%2E%2F%2E%2E%2F%2E ... %2Fetc%2Fpasswd: 2 Time(s)

10:40 <CoderForLife>        %2E%2E%2F%2E%2E%2F%2E%2E%2F%2E%2E%2F%2E%2E ... %2Fetc%2Fpasswd: 2 Time(s)

10:40 <CoderForLife>        %2E%2E%5C%2F%2E%2E%5C%2F%2E%2E%5C%2F%2E%2E ... etc%5C%2Fpasswd: 2 Time(s)

10:40 <CoderForLife>        %2F%2Fetc%2Fpasswd: 1 Time(s)

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10:40 <MTughan> I had run the scan twice, so divide those values in half... That's really odd.

10:40 <jackygrahamez> Hi

10:40 <jackygrahamez> I think I have a trivial question regarding input redirects

10:41 <CoderForLife> from the logging, MTughan, you can see the attempts

10:42 <Tank_Master> hi jack

10:42 <jackygrahamez> Hi Tank

10:42 <CoderForLife> I got this in the morning logwatch

10:42 <MTughan> Actually... I might have one idea. Maybe it tries to grab it to see if the system's secure. I know nmap can be used for security testing.

10:43 <CoderForLife> it got you blocked in iptables

10:43 <MTughan> I did notice I got an automatic block fairly soon after it started, so that's good.

10:43 <jackygrahamez> Here is how the app will run pw.x < Test_INPUT

10:43 <CoderForLife> so ossec is working

10:44 <jackygrahamez> Would it be possible to put the contents of the input in the job file?

10:44 <MTughan> Yeah. It was just nmap through the zenmap GUI, so it's not like I'm malicious.

10:45 <CoderForLife> couldn't tell that from my side of the conversation

10:46 <MTughan> Yeah, I know... I think I'll still browse through the source, see if I can't tell what's going on.

10:46 <CoderForLife> traceroute was unhelpful in indentifying the source

10:46 <MTughan> What about 134.117.165.43/mtughan.dyndns.org?

10:46 <MTughan> 42*

10:48 <jackygrahamez> I think I got a way to do it with an extra step

10:48 <CoderForLife> i can't get past hop 11 at 38.104.158.202, and have no info as to where that is...

10:48 <jackygrahamez> I can always direct the output to a text file and then run that file

10:48 <jackygrahamez> Just trying to see if that step can be eliminated

10:50 <MTughan> Yeah, just saw 38.104.158.201 tracerouting you.

10:50 <MTughan> gi8-10.mpd01.yyz02.atlas.cogentco.com (38.104.158.201)  36.397 ms  23.108 ms  42.491 ms

10:51 <CoderForLife> need to find something to eat

10:51 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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11:02 <MTughan> CoderForLife: I have a traceroute here if you're interested.

11:02 <MTughan> Oh, nmap source...

11:05 <MTughan> Found it... scripts/HTTPpasswd.nse: --- Probes an HTTP server via directory traversal for /etc/passwd

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12:26 <CoderForLife> yup MTughan - that would be the sucky part

12:28 <CoderForLife> that freaks out the ossec hids

12:31 <MTughan> Figures.

12:32 <CoderForLife> flashing lights, klaxons, sirens, the whole schtick

12:32 <MTughan> lol

12:33 <MTughan> Ow... Just had 40 tasks error out on MilkyWay.

12:34 <CoderForLife> I don't do Milky Way, I just live there.

12:34 <jackygrahamez> If anyone here is on Hydrogen, don't worry if it don't work. I'm trying a new app

12:47 <MTughan> &boincerr 11

12:47 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find 11 in boincerr.

12:52 <MTughan> Error seems to be EAGAIN according to errno.h... Whatever that is.

12:52 <CoderForLife> http://www.wlug.org.nz/EAGAIN

12:52 <Romulus> Title: EAGAIN - Waikato Linux Users Group (at www.wlug.org.nz)

12:53 <MTughan> I'm not short of memory, so I'm not sure what could cause it to quit with that.

12:54 <MTughan> 962.9MiB of 1.9GiB physical RAM used, 88KiB of 1.9GiB virtual RAM.

12:55 <MTughan> OOo seems to top the lists of memory usage.

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13:18 <MTughan> 'lo e

13:19 <efc> Moo

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14:13 <Tank_Master> Win 7 is now slated to be released "mid year" around Q3

14:13 <MTughan> Cool.

14:13 <Tank_Master> http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=13378

14:13 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6y682c> (at www.dailytech.com)

14:32 <jackygrahamez> I think my employer will just leapfrog to that

14:34 <Tank_Master> win 7?

14:34 <Romulus> I guess win 7 is now slated to be released "mid year" around Q3, Tank_Master

14:34 <Tank_Master> gaa

14:34 <jackygrahamez> I hear its nicer than vista

14:34 <Tank_Master> it is

14:35 <Tank_Master> more intuitive UI

14:35 <Tank_Master> less overhead

14:35 <jackygrahamez> in that case can they fix office 07

14:35 <Tank_Master> Ive seen all 4 of my WUs get 100% of each core at the same time

14:36 <jackygrahamez> really?

14:36 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:36 <Tank_Master> for extended peridos of time to

14:36 <jackygrahamez> cancel them

14:36 <Tank_Master> not just hit ther then go back

14:36 <Tank_Master> why?

14:36 <jackygrahamez> oh are they actually running?

14:36 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:37 <jackygrahamez> how long?

14:37 <Romulus> how long is that, jackygrahamez

14:37 <jackygrahamez> shut up Romulus

14:37 <Tank_Master> just saying there isntwnything else running to get more than 1% of anf of the cores

14:37 <Tank_Master> isnt anything*

14:38 <jackygrahamez> so your saying nothing else can run

14:38 <Tank_Master> not can

14:38 <Tank_Master> is

14:38 <Tank_Master> if I start compressing a file, then itll take away from the WU's CPU power, like it should

14:39 <Tank_Master> im saying that just booting up so only BOINC is running, nothing else from the OS takes any CPU usage from the BOINC WUs

14:40 <jackygrahamez> oh

14:41 <jackygrahamez> so a lot people may have problems starting their computers

14:41 <Tank_Master> huh?

14:41 <jackygrahamez> I guess I don't follow

14:42 <PovAddict> does either of you know what you're talking about?

14:42 <PovAddict> I suggest starting over, as neither knows what the other means :)

14:42 <jackygrahamez> probably not

14:42 <Tank_Master> im saying that when you boot up, and you have no apps running, your CPU usage from the OS alone is <1%

14:43 <jackygrahamez> and how does that affect the users?

14:43 <Tank_Master> http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/tank_master/taskmanprocesses.png

14:43 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5z5n79> (at i113.photobucket.com)

14:43 <Tank_Master> means the apps they are running are more responsive

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14:44 <jackygrahamez> oh I thought you were talking about my hydrogen wo

14:45 <Tank_Master> shouldnt matter what WU

14:45 <jackygrahamez> wu

14:45 <Tank_Master> http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/tank_master/win7taskman.png

14:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5dhk6x> (at i113.photobucket.com)

14:45 <PovAddict> http://www.primegrid.com/forum_thread.php?id=1114 wtf

14:45 <Tank_Master> you can see that the kernel times are almost non existant to

14:45 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6x8zbo> (at www.primegrid.com)

14:45 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: what CPU?

14:46 <Tank_Master> that was was from a 9450, no OC

14:46 <PovAddict> wow a useful task manager

14:46 <PovAddict> full path to .exe <3

14:46 <Tank_Master> vista has that to

14:46 <PovAddict> I run XP and Linux

14:47 <Tank_Master> those are all the tasks that run with just win 7 and BOINC installed

14:48 <Tank_Master> far less than the 70 some odd in vista

14:48 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: do you know how much it costs to upgrade from Vista 32-bit to 64-bit?

14:48 <PovAddict> I recall that upgrade was quite cheap

14:48 <Tank_Master> leagally? no, I dont know

14:49 <Tank_Master> at one point they talk about making it the same install, but I guess they droped that

14:49 <Tank_Master> the one install disk would give you the option or 32bit or 64bit

14:49 <Tank_Master> would have been nice...

14:49 <PovAddict> then they added so much bloat that both editions didn't fit a DVD anymore

14:50 <PovAddict> ;)

14:51 <Tank_Master> heh

14:51 <Tank_Master> yeah, I hope they dont come out with 15 different versions

14:51 <Tank_Master> I can really only see the need for 3, mabe 4

14:51 <Tank_Master> 2 ofr home and 1 or 2 for work

14:58 <PovAddict> Starter is such a joke

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15:19 <efc> It did well with network and hardware configuration, but I didn't guess all the right software options, have to do it over

15:21 <MTughan> efc: Should be a package manager to customize.

15:26 <efc> It had one, but it apparently couldn't use the ISOs after installation, and installing over network is not an option for me

15:26 <jackygrahamez> PovAddict can you tell me what is wrong with this? http://pastebin.com/m8edc5da

15:26 <Romulus> Title: XML pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

15:26 <MTughan> It couldn't? That's a staple in the current Fedora releases...

15:27 <jackygrahamez> It got this error message http://pastebin.com/d5d059a38

15:28 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

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15:32 <jackygrahamez> Has anyone ever tried a job file with multiple lines of text with input redirects into a file?

15:33 <jackygrahamez> Maybe I should post it on the projects list

15:51 <PovAddict> why are you passing two hundred arguments to the app?

15:52 <PovAddict> also

15:52 <PovAddict> < and > are interpreted as redirection by the shell

15:52 <PovAddict> BOINC doesn't pass stuff through the shell to run programs

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15:52 <PovAddict> also

15:53 <PovAddict> even if it worked, you have to escape <, >, and & symbols in XML

15:53 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: ping

15:55 <Tank_Master> PovAddict: error: ping arived at wrong destonation

15:56 <DerMeister> Is BOINC even able to handle that much command line parameters? I think there is a limitation there...

15:57 <PovAddict> DerMeister: actually that won't cause problems in that area, because it's in double quotes, so it's a single arg

15:57 <PovAddict> the point is jack didn't want them to be arguments in the first place :)

15:57 <DerMeister> Ah, right.

16:00 * Tank_Master hates it when his software gets in arguments

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16:46 <jackygrahamez> sorry I'm back

16:46 <jackygrahamez> I had to eat

16:47 <Tank_Master> wb

16:47 <efc> remoo

16:47 * efc tries to figure out binocular vison for computers.. how hard can it be :p

16:48 <yoyo[RKN]> jackygrahamez: I think you job file will not work

16:48 <jackygrahamez> so I want to be able to send these instructions to the application, including information on certain file locations under the project directory

16:49 <jackygrahamez> what is the best approach here, should I have it run a batch file that generates the input?

16:49 <jackygrahamez> my experience with batch files a boinc indicate no

16:49 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, just write it into a batch file or shellscript

16:49 <PovAddict> ...

16:49 <PovAddict> why would you write a batch file to create a file with *static* contents?

16:50 <PovAddict> why don't you just put it as an input file the server gives out?

16:50 <jackygrahamez> no its not going to be static because the path to the project/url directories change from one computer to another

16:51 <PovAddict> $PROJECT_DIR/espresso/pseudo/ ? how do those subdirectories get created?

16:51 <jackygrahamez> unzip

16:51 <PovAddict> unzip into the slot

16:51 <jackygrahamez> no to the project/url

16:51 <PovAddict> then you don't need to pass the project dir to the app

16:52 <jackygrahamez> ok I'll try it that way

16:52 <PovAddict> unzip into ./, then use pseudo_dir = ./espresso/pseudo, and your $PROJECT_DIR problems go away

16:53 <jackygrahamez> ok are you saying unzip it into slot?

16:53 <PovAddict> yep, and the current directory (".") is the slot

16:53 <jackygrahamez> ok I was trying to avoid unziping every time

16:53 <PovAddict> how long are your WUs?

16:54 <jackygrahamez> for now they are a few minutes

16:54 <PovAddict> also, is your current app first checking if the directory already exists before unzipping again?

16:54 <PovAddict> if you just put unzip as a <task> in the wrapper job file, it will unzip every time, even if you unzip into project dir...

16:55 <jackygrahamez> no I use the command line flag -n

16:56 <jackygrahamez> never overwrite

16:56 * PovAddict goes one step higher level...

16:56 <PovAddict> what is the app you're wrapping?

16:57 <jackygrahamez> its part of a quantum package called quantum espresso

16:57 <yoyo[RKN]> my job.xml with unzip looks simple: http://yoyo.pastebin.com/m14631422

16:57 <Romulus> Title: yoyo private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at yoyo.pastebin.com)

16:57 <jackygrahamez> its available http://www.quantum-espresso.org/download.php

16:57 <Romulus> Title: | QUANTUMESPRESSO | (at www.quantum-espresso.org)

16:58 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: yep, you're unzipping into the slot, avoiding all the problems jack got himself into :)

16:58 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

16:58 <PovAddict> damn espresso file is huge

17:05 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: btw did you edit any of espresso code?

17:05 <jackygrahamez> no sushi

17:05 <jackygrahamez> I knocked it down to 13MB

17:06 <jackygrahamez> if I include all the packages its up to 56MB

17:06 <jackygrahamez> all the binaries I mean

17:06 <PovAddict> there's more than one binary?

17:07 <jackygrahamez> I think we only need the pw.x

17:09 <PovAddict> wtf it's written in fortran?

17:12 <PovAddict> what you use is pwscf?

17:13 <jackygrahamez> Yes it seems like most chemistry apps are stuck in fortran

17:14 <PovAddict> I noticed it's fairly cleanly-separated already...

17:14 <PovAddict> there is a pwscf.f90 that is the actual program

17:14 <PovAddict> doesn't have too much code

17:14 <PovAddict> it links with libpw.a which is where the rest of the fortran code is

17:14 <jackygrahamez> I got it almost working except I'm not sure what to do with this  < si.scf.cg.in > si.scf.cg.out

17:15 <PovAddict> there are XML tags in the wrapper to do that

17:15 <jackygrahamez> http://xmmssc-www.star.le.ac.uk/SAS/xmmsas_20070308_1802/doc/param/node24.html

17:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5582xp> (at xmmssc-www.star.le.ac.uk)

17:15 <PovAddict> <stdout_filename> or something

17:15 <jackygrahamez> those xml escapes did not work

17:15 <PovAddict> again, < si.scf.cg.in > si.scf.cg.out would be interpreted by your shell, and BOINC bypasses the shell

17:15 <PovAddict> so they would be just passed as arguments to the application

17:16 <PovAddict> do you know any fortran?

17:16 <jackygrahamez> I may have to do a source code rewrite to accept those parameters then?

17:17 <PovAddict> no, the wrapper has a different way to redirect stdin/stdout

17:17 <jackygrahamez> ok

17:17 <yoyo[RKN]>   <stdout_filename>si.scf.cg.out</stdout_filename>

17:17 <yoyo[RKN]>   <stdin_filename>si.scf.cg.out</std_filename>

17:18 <jackygrahamez> great!

17:18 <PovAddict> well, stdin has to be .in, not .out :)

17:19 <yoyo[RKN]> argh, copy & paste error

17:19 <PovAddict> :)

17:21 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: do you understand any of the code in espresso-4.0.3/PW/pwscf.f90?

17:24 <jackygrahamez> I'm looking at it right now

17:25 * PovAddict doesn't know fortran at all

17:25 <jackygrahamez> I can't say I'm an expert at fortran but I've been able to figure some of it out

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17:37 <jackygrahamez> I love you guys :-)

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17:38 * Tank_Master feels the love

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18:04 * CoderForLife used FORTRAN as his first programming language - WATFIV then FORTRAN IV

18:05 <PovAddict> my first thought after reading "WATFIV" was "WTF"

18:05 <CoderForLife> off to a going-away party

18:06 <CoderForLife> I think that stood for Waterloo FORTRAN IV

18:06 <CoderForLife> A pedestrian version of FORTRAN

18:06 <CoderForLife> a dialect with a lot of defaults, for students

18:07 <CoderForLife> I believe this was around 1976 or 1977

18:08 <CoderForLife> I programmed a pile of FORTRAN between 1981 and 1987

18:09 <CoderForLife> a lot of that was used in the decision to convert the local nuclear plant that was under construction from nuclear to coal

18:09 <CoderForLife> you know, trivial stuff

18:10 <CoderForLife> well, off to the party

18:10 <CoderForLife> gn

18:12 <PovAddict> trivial

18:12 <PovAddict> lol

18:21 <xiaou> *waves*

18:22 <PovAddict> hi

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18:23 <xiaou> Reports have surfaced saying Oprah will be joining forces with Discovery Communications to form the Oprah Winfrey Network (OWN)

18:23 <xiaou> wait

18:23 <xiaou> seriously.  OWN?

18:23 <xiaou> haha

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18:23 <PovAddict> World of Warcraft has internal files with .wtf extension

18:23 <PovAddict> WoW Text File

18:24 <PovAddict> UML is officially defined by the Object Management Group (OMG)

18:25 <PovAddict> there are many of those :)

18:25 <xiaou> hehe

18:25 <xiaou> that's surely almost never accidedntal in the realm of the intertubes related industries

18:26 <xiaou> But I suspect oprah's case there is just a happy accident

18:28 <xiaou> hm

18:30 <xiaou> Now they (the prices of oil) are slumming south of $60 a barrel, below the level required to balance the state (Alaska) budget.

18:30 <xiaou> I'm surprised Alaska seriously has budget issues.

18:31 <PovAddict> oil price went down by HALF

18:32 <PovAddict> gasoline price hasn't moved a bit, as far as I know (or did it go a bit up?)

18:32 <xiaou> In what sort of time frame are you referring?

18:32 <PovAddict> wasn't it above $100 not so many months ago?

18:32 <xiaou> because it's come down to just over half of what it was this summer

18:33 <PovAddict> well that's what I was told

18:33 <xiaou> Well yeah, oil topped $140 a barrel at its peak this year iirc.

18:33 <PovAddict> I'm not in the US, and I don't even own a car, so I'm not even up-to-date with local prices...

18:33 <xiaou> and 87 octane gasoline was nationally (USA) averaging in the $4.30-ish neighborhood or so

18:33 <xiaou> and now gasoline is $2.30-ish?

18:34 <PovAddict> dinner ->

18:34 <xiaou> It's kind of a neat problem

18:34 <xiaou> oh well, enjoy dinner

18:34 <xiaou> :)

18:39 <jackygrahamez> I sold my old prius at the optimal time

18:40 <jackygrahamez> I was able talk it up to the dealer who initially quoted me 14K to 16K

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19:52 <PovAddict> hmm

19:52 <PovAddict> suppose I record myself playing a not-too-well-known song on the keyboard

19:53 <PovAddict> what would be the legal implications of posting the original song to a forum (along with my recording) for comparison? would I be doing piracy?

19:53 <PovAddict> I'd probably have to post a fragment...

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19:58 *** thoren was kicked by wdsmia (11 weeks 4 days 7hrs Idle)

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19:58 <Soul_keeper> fun

20:00 <wdsmia> amazing how the rats run when the light comes on :)

20:01 <Soul_keeper> lol]

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20:11 <PovAddict> heh interesting idea...

20:11 <PovAddict> make an email address that actually contains 'nospam' on it

20:11 <PovAddict> many email address harvesters would remove that

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21:08 <CoderForLife> sittingduck@spammetodeath.com

21:09 <Rookie_69> Hi, Don.

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21:09 <CoderForLife> hi Glenn

21:09 <CoderForLife> I'm home from the pahty

21:10 <Rookie_69> I was helping Tom put boat to bed and ended up at his place for wings and beer.

21:11 <CoderForLife> I always suspected this boat thing was just a front for a bar

21:11 <Rookie_69> Close enough.

21:11 <CoderForLife> like bowling alleys and baseball parks

21:12 <CoderForLife> all - just bars

21:12 <CoderForLife> speaking of bars - brb beverage

21:13 <Rookie_69> Lol.

21:15 <CoderForLife> b

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21:35 <Ainslee> hi, i was just wondering if it's safe to run boinc software on a web server?

21:35 <PovAddict> define "safe"

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21:35 <CoderForLife> I've been doing it for 5 years - I hope so

21:35 <Ainslee> well, are there any issues with it being unsecure

21:35 <Ainslee> CoderForLife: ta :) that's all i needed to know

21:36 <PovAddict> your question could be interpreted in like 3 ways

21:36 <Ainslee> going to run the world community grid on mine

21:36 <PovAddict> - security: will my server get hacked?

21:36 <Ainslee> PovAddict: np, CoderForLife answered my question :)

21:36 <PovAddict> - performance: will it slow down the web hosting?

21:36 <PovAddict> btw is the server "yours"?

21:37 <Ainslee> *nods*

21:37 <Ainslee> i run it from home

21:37 <CoderForLife> ditto

21:37 <PovAddict> if you run BOINC in shared hosting, for example, the hosting service will probably close your account before you even finish a workunit ;)

21:37 <Ainslee> yeah, it's not shared hosting

21:37 <Ainslee> got my own web server/file server running from here

21:38 <PovAddict> well, I remember someone in this IRC channel trying to do that...

21:38 <CoderForLife> bedtime for Coder

21:38 <CoderForLife> gn all

21:38 <PovAddict> bye CFL

21:38 <Ainslee> i did the shared hosting thing, i prefer adminning it myself

21:38 <PovAddict> Ainslee: I run a multipurpose computer :)

21:38 <Ainslee> cool

21:38 <PovAddict> AMD dual core 4200+

21:38 <MTughan> PovAddict: <stdin_filename>si.scf.cg.out</std_filename>

21:38 <MTughan> Care to explain how that's valid XML? :P

21:39 * Ainslee cracks her neck

21:39 <MTughan> Yep, I have a laptop that runs a VNC, SSH, and HTTP server here.

21:39 <PovAddict> runs BOINC, I develop software on it (including BOINC itself), runs a webserver, runs a BOINC server I use for testing, and my mom checks her email

21:40 <PovAddict> and maybe I play some games once in a while (without stopping BOINC or any of the servers)

21:40 <MTughan> I watch movies, reencode movies, run BOINC, develop software, and the servers up above.

21:40 <MTughan> I do suspend BOINC for movie encoding though.

21:41 <MTughan> Encoding three DVDs to MP4 takes 11 hours with full access to the dual-core proc...

21:41 <Ainslee> i game on this system, and everything else pretty much runs from the server

21:41 <Ainslee> although i'm not much of a gamer

21:42 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d33c2570 <- handy

21:42 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

21:42 <PovAddict> (I did a quick conversion into bash syntax, but I didn't test it)

21:43 <MTughan> What's $@?

21:43 <PovAddict> $ noboinc make -j2

21:43 <MTughan> Ah...

21:44 <Ainslee> what is one meant to do with run_client at the command line?

21:45 <PovAddict> the most useful switch is probably --daemon

21:45 <PovAddict> so it doesn't eat up a tty

21:45 <MTughan> Oh, I should probably put that in my init script...

21:45 <PovAddict> then use boinc_cmd to interact with the running client

21:46 <Ainslee> ah yep ta

21:49 <Ainslee> done

21:49 <PovAddict> http://www.ainsleehooper.com/?p=106 hehe

21:49 <Romulus> Title: Can it get any geekier? | ainsleehooper.blog 2.0 (at www.ainsleehooper.com)

21:50 <Ainslee> PovAddict: ja, i was in bed one night and bored ;)

21:50 <PovAddict> ipod touch?

21:50 <Ainslee> *nods*

21:50 <Ainslee> really fails at the keyboard functionality

21:51 <PovAddict> http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0002qd5.jpg

21:51 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5qtevq> (at img237.imageshack.us)

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21:52 <PovAddict> I'm not really sure who wins here :)

21:52 <Ainslee> do you get to see what the results of your contribution to the project is?

21:52 <Ainslee> wins? there's a competition going on?

21:53 <PovAddict> heh nope

21:53 <Ainslee> didn't think so

21:54 <PovAddict> I have run WCG only briefly, I don't think I have done any significant contribution... so I didn't bother to check :)

21:54 <PovAddict> I know their website is quite different from any other BOINC project

21:54 <Ainslee> how do you check?

21:55 <PovAddict> I mean I didn't bother to check where (or if) you can see your contributions :)

21:55 <Ainslee> ahh here it is, by members

21:55 <PovAddict> I assume you're looking for more detailed info than "you have contributed X CPU time"...

21:56 <Ainslee> nah, just any contribution

21:56 <PovAddict> most projects need some improvement in that area

21:56 <PovAddict> letting you know if your computers have found anything remotely interesting etc

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21:56 <Ainslee> *nods*

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21:57 <PovAddict> PrimeGrid has some detailed info but it's not too encouraging (due to the nature of the computation)

21:57 <Ainslee> the world community grid has a pretty comprehensive statistic page, i'm impressed

21:57 <PovAddict> like... "you have done 15 thousand workunits and found a total of 1 prime" :D

21:58 <Soul_keeper> yeah wcg is nice, long as you just compare inside the project and not against others

21:58 <Ainslee> although it's showing total run time as 0, and yet my server says boinc is running

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21:58 <PovAddict> Ainslee: it will only update that when you finish a task

21:58 <PovAddict> it doesn't report progress in real time

21:58 <Ainslee> ok

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21:59 <PovAddict> the server would die and fall sideways if every computer was reporting its progress every minute

21:59 <Ainslee> yeah i guess

21:59 <MTughan> What about trickle projects?

22:00 <Ainslee> how long does a task usually take?

22:00 <xcam_mac> hola!

22:00 <PovAddict> Ainslee: from minutes to months depending on the project :)

22:00 <MTughan> Hehe... Depends on the project and the comp.

22:00 <PovAddict> hola Jay

22:00 <MTughan> 'lo xcam_mac!

22:00 <PovAddict> what side of the world are you in? :)

22:00 <Ainslee> k, i've signed up for most of them

22:00 <Ainslee> PovAddict: Australia

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22:01 <MTughan> Canada.

22:01 <PovAddict> I was talking to xcamel, wondering if he had got to Mexico yet :)

22:01 <xcam_mac> Lapaz

22:02 <xcam_mac> using sierra wireless

22:02 <PovAddict> decent flight?

22:02 <PovAddict> (er, did you even go by plane, or am I mixing things up)

22:07 <xcam_mac> it was a long day...

22:07 * Rookie_69 wakes up in time to log off.

22:07 <Rookie_69> NN.

22:07 <PovAddict> bye Rookie_69

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22:22 <xcam_mac> bye...

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22:32 <quail> 'afternoon all

22:32 <wdsmia> *lo q

22:32 <efc> moo

22:32 <quail> ay Doug, how are things?

22:32 <quail> meep meep efc

22:33 <wdsmia> almost ready for bed here

22:33 <quail> oh

22:34 <zombie67> anyone know anything about the ABC app?  How much FPU does it use?

22:34 * wdsmia thinks that there is still one beer left in the frig

22:34 <PovAddict> zombie67: afaik, almost no FPU use

22:34 <PovAddict> which is why it's so much faster on 64-bit

22:35 <zombie67> so it would be worthwhile to turn on HT?

22:35 <PovAddict> prolly

22:35 <zombie67> cool!  Thanks!  brb

22:36 <PovAddict> I'll go crash into bed

22:37 <PovAddict> I need someone to write me a program that locks me out of the computer at midnight

22:37 <PovAddict> hard to unlock

22:38 <wdsmia> cron job... rm /*

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22:39 <PovAddict> it's supposed to leave my computer working the next morning...

22:40 <wdsmia> thats what back-ups are for

22:40 <PovAddict> ...

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22:59 <KathrynM> I'd like that cron job for my brain

23:00 <wdsmia> lol

23:01 <KathrynM> anyone here like a migraine?  It's free.

23:02 <Ainslee> KathrynM: have you ever tried acupuncture for yours? i was getting a couple every day for awhile, tried acupuncture, now i only get one every couple of months or so

23:02 <KathrynM> I'm thinking about it.  There's a guy right around the corner from the school.  And his English is OK (so I hear).

23:03 <Ainslee> my physio recommended it to me, i looked at him strangely, but best thing i ever did

23:03 <Ainslee> had had operations and they still couldn't work out what was goign on

23:03 <KathrynM> wow, that sucks

23:04 <KathrynM> Glad to hear a success story on the acupuncture

23:04 <KathrynM> A coworker has it done for back issues

23:04 <Ainslee> i still resort to codeine, but that's more of a crutch htan anything

23:05 <KathrynM> the headache isn't so bad now.  but the nausea is horrible

23:05 <KathrynM> I keep thinking if I eat something my stomach would feel better.  But then I go to make something and I run to the bathroom :(

23:05 <MTughan> Can we discuss the health issues elsewhere?

23:05 <KathrynM> sorry MTughan

23:06 <KathrynM> I put up with politics here for the longest time :)

23:06 <MTughan> Did you see me discussing politics?

23:06 <KathrynM> I was just going to add "And you did too"

23:06 <MTughan> Good catch.

23:06 <KathrynM> :)

23:16 <efc> I wonder why my eyebrows are spasming..

23:17 <efc> err not brows. lids.

23:17 <KathrynM> you're weird

23:17 <MTughan> Are you tired?

23:18 <zombie67> it's the meth

23:18 <MTughan> lol...

23:18 <MTughan> How about "it's the math"? xD

23:18 <KathrynM> that was my excuse in uni

23:18 <KathrynM> then "it's the chemistry"

23:18 <KathrynM> "it's the physics"

23:18 <MTughan> lol

23:18 <KathrynM> and finally "it's the stats"

23:20 <efc> tired, yes

23:21 <efc> its the downward spiral

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