IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2008-11-11

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01:55 <MTughan> Hehe...

01:55 <Romulus> Title: Unofficial 'MacBook Nano' Shows Possibilities - Mac Rumors (at

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04:51 <CoderForLife> &seen Tidus

04:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tidus was last seen in #boinc 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 37 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <Tidus> i feel ya there man

04:51 <CoderForLife> morning Tidus, wb

04:51 <Tidus> lo0l

04:51 <Tidus> lol *

04:51 <Tidus> and good to be back

04:54 <Tidus> i ditched vista on my laptop

04:54 <CoderForLife> a praiseworthy thing to do

04:55 <Tidus> i used my downgrade rights to get xp media center 2005

04:56 <Tidus> it runs SO much better

04:56 <CoderForLife> no doubt

04:57 <CoderForLife> you moved backward on the bloatware timeline

04:57 <Tidus> lol

04:57 <Tidus> i've noticed that all MCE is is XP pro with a different default skin and the media center app

04:58 <CoderForLife> you didn't expect a lot of extra value, did you?

04:58 <Tidus> well seeing as it's a full blown copy of xp pro for all intents and purposes, it works better for what i need

04:59 <Tidus> instead of vista home premium

04:59 <Tidus> some of the things i need require either vista business/ultimate or xp pro

05:00 <Tidus> and since i don't have 3gb+ of ram, i chose to downgrade to xp

05:09 * CoderForLife packs for his trip

05:09 <Tidus> ooh... where ya going?

05:09 <CoderForLife> flying to Dallas this morning

05:10 * CoderForLife packs his Stetson, his six-shooter and his horse

05:11 <Tidus> oh fun

05:11 <CoderForLife> yee-haw

05:28 <CoderForLife> just converted a MIDI to MP3 for the first time, to get it on my iPod nano

05:28 <CoderForLife> yee-haw

05:29 <Tidus> lol

05:30 <CoderForLife> This song, called "Firelight", I first heard in the gift shop at Mount Rushmore - local Black Hills artist

05:30 <CoderForLife> it drew me across the store

05:32 <CoderForLife> here tis:

05:32 <Romulus> Title: StumbleAudio (2 million+ music tracks to discover) (at

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05:40 <CoderForLife> I bought the CD - it became the theme song for the rest of the camping trip

05:40 <CoderForLife> bbiab - continuing packing

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06:31 <CoderForLife> hi ho Silver - away

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07:35 <Welshman> Yo

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07:47 <quail> 'evening all

07:47 <quail> &wx ypad

07:47 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 73°F / 23°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM CST; Clear. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Overcast. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Overcast. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Overcast. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:53 F. / 12 C.;

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08:45 <Welshman> yo

08:53 <quail> hi

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09:37 <quail> very quiet here :-(

09:38 <quail> 'evening all

09:38 <quail> what we all been up to?

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09:51 <wdsmia_> Total Credit 15M :)

09:56 <yoyo[RKN]> PovAdct_w

09:57 <PovAdct_w> boo

09:57 <yoyo[RKN]> what do you think about the proposed index in boinc DB proposed by chris Spooner?

09:58 <PovAdct_w> I think it's useful for him because he actually uses batches; does anyone else use them?

09:59 <yoyo[RKN]> not I

10:00 <yoyo[RKN]> I remember reading something about it month ago. What can I do with batches?

10:01 <PovAdct_w> not much... it's a number you can give to a bunch of workunits :)

10:01 <PovAdct_w> I think one of the useful things is the file_deleter can be told not to delete any file from any workunit in a batch, until all of the batch is finished

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10:46 <wdsmia_> &wx 50265

10:46 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 36.5F / 2.5C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 30.51in / 1033.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Drizzle | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5.4mph / 8.7km/h ; Today - Rain and isolated thunderstorms. High in the mid 40s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Rain in the evening...then a chance of rain and snow after midnight. (1 more message)

10:46 <wdsmia_> &more

10:46 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Little or no snow accumulation. Low in the mid 30s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of rain and snow in the morning. High in the lower 40s. Southwest wind 5 to 15 mph.;

11:09 <quail> wdsmia_: congratz

11:10 <wdsmia_> ty

11:10 <quail> next year I might be able to do SETI

11:11 <wdsmia_> why

11:11 <quail> cause I'll be back on dial up internet :-(

11:12 <wdsmia_> question was why seti

11:12 <quail> and my main computer WU hungry

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11:12 <quail> wdsmia: I might beable to do climate

11:12 <PovAdct_w> yeah

11:13 <PovAdct_w> it will take forever to download the input files, but then you can live with that for long without downloading more

11:13 <quail> PovAdct_w: but I have never had a successful climate WU

11:14 <quail> they have all seem to have borked somewhere and never finished :-(

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11:30 <quail> man who tries to compile a kernel at this hour, besides me

11:34 <Tank_Master> !wx 97123

11:34 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

11:34 <Tank_Master> &more

11:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

11:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 49.8F / 9.9C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 2.2mph / 3.5km/h ; Today - Rain...breezy. Highs around 55. South wind increasing to 15 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.; Tonight - Rain...breezy. Lows 50 to 55. South wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 mph.; Wednesday - Rain...breezy. (1 more message)

11:34 <Tank_Master> &more

11:34 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Highs around 60. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 mph.; Areal Flood Advisory for Washington County in effect until 3:45 PM PST on November 11, 2008;

11:35 <PovAdct_w> &wx EZE

11:35 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: Temperature: 84°F / 29°C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM ARST; Chance of Rain. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Clear. Low:73 F. / 23 C.; Clear. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Clear. Low:59 F. / 15 C.;

11:36 <PovAdct_w> gives five forecasts but doesn't say for when

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11:44 <quail> oh they trying to recomple the kernel for a driver module

11:45 <quail> and now hope set them on the right track

11:45 <quail> eg they only need the kernel headers

11:45 <quail> no recompiling the kernel needed

11:51 <MTughan> Well, I braved the 2C weather in shorts and a t-shirt to observe the two minutes of silence and the reading of "In Flander's Fields".

11:52 <MTughan> It be dang cold outside.

11:52 <MTughan> &math convert 2 C to F

11:52 <Romulus> MTughan: 35.6

11:52 <quail> &wx ypad

11:52 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 10% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 3:00 AM CST; Clear. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Overcast. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Overcast. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Overcast. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:53 F. / 12 C.;

11:53 <MTughan> 'lo quail

11:53 <quail> it damn hot here and it 03:23:23

11:53 <quail> MTughan: hey

11:53 <MTughan> Southern hemisphere?

11:54 <quail> yeah

11:54 <MTughan> Southern Canada here.

11:54 <quail> I can't sleep cause the heat

11:54 <PovAdct_w> wtf

11:54 <PovAdct_w> 26C at 3 am?!

11:55 <Tank_Master> toasty

11:55 <quail> PovAdct_w: globle warming

11:55 <Tank_Master> heh

11:55 <quail> and friday it going to be in the low 20sC

11:56 <MTughan> Yeah... 3C here, 11:56AM.

11:56 <MTughan> Low of -4C overnight.

11:56 <MTughan> Talk about opposites. And we're not into full winter yet.

11:56 <quail> here our forcast =>

11:57 <Romulus> Title: Adelaide Forecast (at

11:57 <MTughan> Yeow, you're warm over the next couple days...

11:57 <MTughan> 21/14 isn't too bad.

11:59 <quail> MTughan: but atm we getting couple hot days out the week and the it drops into the 20's again

12:04 <MTughan> Holy crap... Switching from Windows to Linux x64, E@H sees a speedup of 5500 seconds... 32300 down to 26800.

12:04 <MTughan> 24300 in another one...

12:05 <quail> MTughan: OSS just rocks :-P

12:08 <PovAdct_w> that's probably because of 64-bitness :)

12:09 <PovAdct_w> Windows XP x64 has a lack of drivers (and stability)

12:09 <PovAdct_w> proper 64-bit support came in Vista, which sucks for its own reasons

12:09 <PovAdct_w> so... best alternative to get 64-bit = Linux

12:09 <quail> PovAdct_w: windows has the lack of any stability

12:09 <PovAdct_w> quail: well XP x64 was worse ;)

12:09 <MTughan> PovAdct_w: XP was 32-bit.

12:10 <MTughan> At least the copy I was running.

12:10 <quail> PovAdct_w: I have not run windows personally myself for years

12:10 <PovAdct_w> good :)

12:10 <Tank_Master> driver support for 64bit windows has been quite lacking

12:11 <Tank_Master> though it is better in 64bit vista than 64bit XP

12:11 * quail thinks linux is leading the 64bit drivers

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12:11 <quail> linux 64bit rocks

12:11 <Tank_Master> but I can say that all of my hardware except for the game controler port has drivers

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12:12 <Tank_Master> for 64bit

12:12 <PovAdct_w> quail: that's because they are open source

12:12 <MTughan> Dang it... Why the heck do I still have 6.04 tasks in there?

12:12 <PovAdct_w> which means other people can easily compile them

12:12 <quail> Tank_Master: there is 32bit libs for 64bit

12:12 <PovAdct_w> and because open source devs are usually more interested in portability

12:13 <Tank_Master> ?

12:13 <PovAdct_w> quail: you can't use 32bit *drivers* on 64bit OSs

12:13 <MTughan> Okay, 6.04 (w/o SSE2) was running about 32,000 seconds. 6.05 (w/ SSE2) was running about 25,500 seconds.

12:13 <PovAdct_w> Tank_Master: I got email from

12:13 <Tank_Master> so did I

12:13 <quail> PovAdct_w: I was talking about 32bit programs running on 64bit

12:14 <MTughan> So while I still prefer the Linux for the 64-bit applications (Tank_Master, no I'm not shelling out money or legitimacy for Windows sh*t), E@H didn't experience a big speedup from Windows to Linux when SSE2 was enabled on both applications.

12:14 <Tank_Master> mt - I havent paied for windows in a lllooonnggg time

12:15 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.27-7-generic |  Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8200  @ 2.66GHz 1998.000 MHz | Bogomips: 10666.46 | Mem: 2967/3960M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 226.79G Free: 145.30G | Procs: 140 | Uptime: 4 days 11 hrs 25 mins 7 secs | Load: 0.38 0.27 0.20  | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 1.03G Out: 433.17M

12:15 <quail> Sensors: HDD:

12:15 <MTughan> That's why I said I'm not shelling out legitimacy for it either. I still consider it sh*t.

12:15 <Tank_Master> XP I got for free drom a kickoff semonar that was free to attacd

12:15 <Tank_Master> attend*

12:15 <Tank_Master> then I switched over to server 2008 which is free to d/l and use

12:15 <MTughan> And Windows 7?

12:15 <Tank_Master> now I am using windows 7

12:16 <Tank_Master> I have tripple boot xp/server 2008 and win 7

12:16 <Tank_Master> but xpI have only used 2 times in the last 2 years

12:16 <MTughan> And two of them bootleg copies.

12:16 <Tank_Master> not bootleged

12:16 <MTughan> BitTorrented?

12:17 <Tank_Master> how can a prebeta be lootleged?

12:17 <Tank_Master> not for server 2008

12:17 <Tank_Master> I got that off MS;s site

12:17 <PovAdct_w> MSDN subscriber?

12:17 <Tank_Master> nope

12:17 <MTughan> So they offer Server 2008, but it doesn't require activation?

12:17 <Tank_Master> yep

12:17 <MTughan> Wow... You're sure it's by Microsoft and not GNU?

12:18 <Tank_Master> you get it from MS's site

12:18 <Tank_Master> so yes

12:18 <PovAdct_w> Windows betas look like shareware

12:18 <MTughan> Just because you get it from MS, doesn't mean it's written by MS.

12:18 <PovAdct_w> of course it is -_-

12:18 <Tank_Master> d/l the tiral version of server 2008

12:18 <MTughan> Why? I like my computer stable.

12:19 <MTughan> :P

12:19 <Tank_Master> 2008 is rock stable

12:19 <Tank_Master> not once has it crashed

12:19 <MTughan> You're not trying hard enough.

12:19 <Tank_Master> cept when I o/c to far, but thats a different story

12:19 <MTughan> Yeah, well that's hardware.

12:19 <Tank_Master> true

12:20 <Tank_Master> but what do you mean Im not trying hard enough?

12:20 <Tank_Master> I used it every day for a lot of crap

12:20 <MTughan> If it ain't broken, you haven't tried hard enough.

12:20 <Tank_Master> aps would die from time to time, but never hte OS

12:20 <Tank_Master> so you break linx?

12:20 <MTughan> I have actually, yes.

12:21 <Tank_Master> then I guess its not stable

12:21 <MTughan> What happens when your window manager doesn't quite work. Pov should know what I'm talking about.

12:21 <MTughan> I was updating it manually.

12:21 <PovAdct_w> URLs changed Tank_Master

12:21 <PovAdct_w>

12:21 <Romulus> <> (at

12:21 <Tank_Master> thx pov

12:22 <Tank_Master> hope they fixed the account creation to :P

12:23 <PovAdct_w> they closed it

12:23 <MTughan> Finally, that's what I'm looking for... Not much, but these aren't made by MS:

12:23 <Romulus> <> (at

12:23 <PovAdct_w> Tank_Master: does it ask you to login on that URL?

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12:24 <MTughan> Clicking on the forum link returns a 404.

12:24 <Tank_Master> what are you looking for?

12:24 <PovAdct_w>

12:24 <Romulus> Title: User account | Open Rendering Environment (ORE) (at

12:24 <PovAdct_w> that should have the login

12:24 <MTughan> Oh yeah, that reminds me... You know you've known too much HTTP when you find a song with the duration 4:04 funny.

12:26 <Tank_Master> didnt you know the sirebad gadets are open source, MT?

12:27 <Tank_Master> its just ajax I believe

12:27 <Tank_Master> or xml, I forget wich

12:27 <MTughan> HTML with JS, yes.

12:27 <MTughan> And limited transparency support.

12:28 <MTughan> If you layer two transparent images on top of one another, at least with the last version I tried, you got a pink/purple.

12:28 <PovAdct_w> lame

12:28 <MTughan> Where as Apple's Dashboard and Firefox will handle that as expected.

12:28 <PovAdct_w> even IE will, afaik

12:29 <MTughan> IE7 would I think. IE6 doesn't except with GIFs.

12:29 <MTughan> I had specifically used two PNG images.

12:30 <Tank_Master> pink?

12:30 <Tank_Master> Ive never seen pink with 2 transparenies ontop oneanother

12:30 <MTughan> Sidebar will handle one layer of transparent images fine, which is why you can have some see through stuff. But two will not work.

12:31 <Tank_Master> win 7 dosent have the sidebad

12:31 <Tank_Master> the jadgest just float around

12:31 <MTughan> No, but still has Windows gadgets.

12:31 <MTughan> And you can do that in Vista too.

12:31 <Tank_Master> gadgets*

12:31 <PovAdct_w> &grab Tank_Master

12:31 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: The operation succeeded.

12:31 <MTughan> lol

12:31 <PovAdct_w> damn you corrected just now

12:31 * Tank_Master pushes Romulus into a crevasse

12:32 <PovAdct_w> I wanted to grab the previous one

12:32 <Tank_Master> why?

12:32 <Tank_Master> you think its funny point out my dislexia?

12:32 <Tank_Master> pointing*

12:33 <PovAdct_w> yup

12:33 <MTughan> This bug, although that also has a workaround for text on transparency...

12:33 <Romulus> <> (at

12:34 <MTughan> Ow... FF just crashed.

12:35 <Tank_Master> haha

12:35 <PovAdct_w> I'm outta here

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12:35 <Tank_Master> c-ya?

12:35 <MTughan> It was as I clicked a link on a Google search. Gonna load it in Safari, see if I get another crash...

12:36 <MTughan> Safari's fine... Another Gecko browser, then FF again.

12:37 <MTughan> Damn... That's definitely a FF bug.

12:40 <Tank_Master> it happened again?

12:41 <MTughan> Twice.

12:41 <MTughan> But only on Mac. Works on Linux.

12:41 <Tank_Master> what site?

12:41 <Romulus> hmm... what site is it, KathrynM, Tank_Master

12:41 <MTughan>

12:41 <Romulus> <> (at

12:41 <MTughan> Linux is also running compared to 3.0.3 on the Mac, so that could have something to do with it.

12:42 <MTughan> Anyway, he's also complaining about how hard it is to develop a Sidebar gadget there, not quite what I was looking for.

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12:43 <Tank_Master> its not loading for me in IE

12:43 <MTughan> What is it doing?

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12:44 <Tank_Master> I see the title, but its just sitting there going around in circles

12:44 <Tank_Master> rest is all white

12:44 <MTughan> Hmm. Loads in Linux FF and Safari on Mac.

12:44 <Tank_Master> "waiting for ..."

12:44 <Tank_Master> might be my bittorent, though other pages load fine

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12:45 <e-30> hi

12:47 <Tank_Master> hi

12:47 <e-30> how is it going

12:47 <Tank_Master> peachy

12:47 <e-30> cool

12:47 <e-30> so what project are you working on now

12:48 <Tank_Master> ABC

12:48 <Tank_Master> ps3grid

12:48 <Tank_Master> thats all

12:49 <MTughan> Well, I have to be off to class.

12:49 <e-30> i wish i could do ps3grid with 8800 ultras

12:49 <Tank_Master> hf MTughan

12:49 <MTughan> You really just did say that...

12:49 <Tank_Master> its to old?

12:49 <Tank_Master> yeah, I did

12:50 <Tank_Master> ;)

12:50 <Tank_Master> always do

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13:25 <jackygrahamez> &wx washington, DC

13:25 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 49.0F / 9.4C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Northwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast after midnight.; Wednesday - (1 more message)

13:25 <jackygrahamez> &more

13:25 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 50s. Southeast winds around 5 mph.;

13:26 <jackygrahamez> It was a bit cold riding the bicycle to work this morn

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14:57 <efc> &wx 30625

14:57 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 66F / 19C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 60s. East winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. Light east winds.; Wednesday - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers in the (1 more message)

14:57 <efc> &more

14:57 <Romulus> efc: morning...then a chance of showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 60s. East winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.;

14:59 <jackygrahamez> Romulus can you help me with a sed command?

14:59 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

14:59 <jackygrahamez> Romulus what is daft?

14:59 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

15:00 <PovAddict_> Romulus what is BOINC?

15:00 <Romulus> PovAddict_: Are you daft?

15:00 <PovAddict_> what is BOINC?

15:00 <Romulus> hmm... BOINC is all perfect and stuff, PovAddict_

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15:00 <PovAddict> :D

15:00 <jackygrahamez> Romulus is David Anderson perfect?

15:00 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

15:01 <jackygrahamez> Romulus now your hurting my feelings ;-(

15:01 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

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15:02 <MTughan> 'lo COTR

15:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> greetings from The Lone Star State

15:02 <jackygrahamez> hey Tex

15:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> newly Tex'd

15:03 * CoderOnTheRoad unpacks his saddle, his Stetson, his six-shooter and his horse

15:03 <PovAddict> you packed a horse?

15:03 <efc> moo COTR

15:03 <jackygrahamez> anyone here good with the sed command?

15:03 <PovAddict> jack: I know only s// :P

15:03 <efc> I've done some damage with it, but dont' remember anything

15:04 <jackygrahamez> I've spent an hour trying to get a something to replace paths

15:04 <CoderOnTheRoad> I would have gotten here faster had I used the horse

15:04 <PovAddict> lol

15:04 <PovAddict> plane that bad?

15:04 <CoderOnTheRoad> with a horse, you don't have to balance the baggage load, add ballast, and then sit on the runway for 15 minutes and burn fuel

15:05 <CoderOnTheRoad> I guess the horse would be messier, in that case

15:05 <jackygrahamez> how much horse power do they have?

15:06 <Rookie_69> Shouldn't aircraft be measured in Pegasus-power?

15:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> I wonder how that burn-off increased my carbon footprint?

15:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> It was burn off the fuel, or pick a passenger to throw off the plane

15:08 <MTughan> He was late?

15:12 <Rookie_69> I leave a big carbon footprint, but that's to be expected when working in carbon dust all day.

15:12 <MTughan> Heh.

15:12 <Rookie_69> I can usually scrub it off the carpet.

15:12 <PovAddict> CoderOnTheRoad: I recall that as an analogy to Linux's OOM killer

15:12 <jackygrahamez> If anyone can tell me how to write this sed command I would very much appreciate it

15:12 <jackygrahamez>

15:12 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

15:13 <PovAddict> it was something like... an airplane company decides to lower fuel usage by charging less... and they add a system to eject a random passenger if it's getting low on fuel

15:14 <PovAddict> and then the real problem becomes the complex algorithm to decide who to throw off

15:14 <Rookie_69> Eenie, meenie...

15:14 <BadBarbarian> minnie

15:14 <MTughan> PovAddict: Anyone in the business class will do. They're all larger physically.

15:14 <PovAddict> like, picking the "heaviest" passenger so that it lowers as much plane weight as possible, so it can arrive with the fuel it has left

15:15 <PovAddict> *unless* that happens to be the pilot

15:15 <MTughan> No, can be the pilot. Why do you think they bring a co-pilot?

15:15 <PovAddict> lol

15:15 <PovAddict> anyway

15:15 <PovAddict> that was an explanation on how Linux behaves when it's out of memory

15:15 <PovAddict> killing random processes

15:15 <MTughan> Does it still do that?

15:16 <MTughan> Or does it just grab more virtual memory?

15:17 <PovAddict> how does one "grab more virtual memory"?

15:17 <MTughan> Allocates more HD space for virtual memory.

15:17 <PovAddict> the OOM killer triggers when you're out of virtual memory, which means you're out of swap too

15:17 <PovAddict> it can't increase swap usage; it's usually a partition

15:17 <MTughan> Oh right, Linux uses a separate swap partition...

15:18 <PovAddict> and even if it was a file...

15:18 <PovAddict> Windows's growing swapfile is usually pointed as a performance problem

15:18 <MTughan> I know OS X does that.

15:18 <PovAddict> (I set the min and max to the same number to avoid that)

15:18 <PovAddict> AUGH >.<

15:18 <Romulus> <> (at

15:19 <PovAddict> replacing local software on your machine with... clouds

15:19 <MTughan> They'd better work on some damn good encryption algorithms.

15:20 * efc has had hit pagefile limits several times in the last few days, for the first time in several years

15:20 <xiaou> in my opinion if you're hitting swap, you're already doing Bad Things (tm)

15:21 <MTughan> xiaou: Not if you're running XP on 128MB of RAM.

15:21 <xiaou> see

15:21 <MTughan> Although that could be considered a "Bad Thing".

15:21 <xiaou> yes you are.

15:21 <xiaou> :)

15:22 <MTughan> So I guess the figure of 2.21GB of virtual memory used doesn't sound good to you?

15:22 <xiaou> >_<

15:22 <xiaou> ow

15:22 <MTughan> 2GB of physical RAM here, and using 2.21GB of 4GB available virtual memory.

15:23 <xiaou> what is the core config?

15:23 <xiaou> uniproc or other?

15:23 <MTughan> Core config?

15:23 <MTughan> Oh, dual-core.

15:23 <xiaou> cpu's / cores, etc

15:23 <MTughan> You mean the CPU.

15:23 <xiaou> mkay

15:23 <MTughan> Yeah, Intel Core Duo 2.0GHz, Yonah core.

15:24 <xiaou> -generally- speaking I was taught to go no less than 1 GB per proc or don't even bother.  2GB was a better / more meaningful "minimum"

15:24 <MTughan> Machine only supports 2GB max.

15:24 <xiaou> that simply means you need a better machine

15:24 <MTughan> Load average of 2.7 over the past minute.

15:24 <MTughan> Note that this isn't Windows...

15:25 <xiaou> well, what are you doing with it?

15:25 <MTughan> BOINCing.

15:25 <xiaou> Ooooh

15:25 <xiaou> ok then

15:25 <MTughan> And other stuff... IRC included.

15:25 <xiaou> thats still weird that you're out of ram

15:26 <MTughan> Well, only supports 2GB... Unless you can get 2GB DDR2-667 sticks.

15:26 <xiaou> mm

15:26 <MTughan> But still limited by 32-bit addressing then.

15:26 <MTughan> Oh, you can get 4GB kits in that size... Not that expensive either.

15:27 <PovAddict> load average: 2.07, 2.10, 2.18

15:27 <PovAddict> 142480k swap used

15:27 <PovAddict> but 146468k physical RAM free

15:27 <efc> i have 2 gig of phys RAM, not sure why i had that problem. Only 740 meg were in use at the time

15:27 <PovAddict> there's like 800MB of disk cache in use

15:27 <MTughan> Ubuntu w/ KDE, right? Kubuntu?

15:27 <efc> probably a leaky Quake program

15:27 <PovAddict> yes

15:27 <PovAddict> probably something ate memory

15:27 <PovAddict> made other things swap

15:27 <PovAddict> then that program quit

15:27 <xiaou> X is leaky

15:28 <PovAddict> and now I have lots of free physical RAM

15:28 <xiaou> I'm hitting 19% swap now and I'm sure its just from X

15:28 <PovAddict> I have a way to force all stuff in swap to go back to physical memory tho :P

15:28 <MTughan> My Linux machine is running 896.2MiB of 1.9GiB physical RAM, no swap at all.

15:28 <xiaou> me too.  ctrl+alt+bksp

15:28 <MTughan> And I'm running full X on Fedora, with Compiz effects.

15:29 <PovAddict> if you had swap enabled, memory that hasn't been touched in a while would get swapped, and you'd have more physical memory for disk cache, which would make things faster

15:29 <MTughan> Hmm... Know what faac is? There's a package update to it.

15:29 <PovAddict> audio codec

15:29 <xiaou> *nods* I'd think so

15:29 <MTughan> Yeah, found it...

15:30 <PovAddict> free-AAC

15:30 <PovAddict> "FAAC currently supports MPEG-4 LTP, MAIN and LOW COMPLEXITY object types and MAIN and LOW MPEG-2 object types. It also supports multichannel and gapless encoding."

15:30 <PovAddict> whatever that means

15:30 <MTughan> Mem usage just dropped to 700MB after the package updater quit. Down 196MB.

15:30 <xiaou> it does stuff, isn't afraid of aliens ,etc

15:31 <MTughan> That's odd... GUi system monitor reports X using 480MB of virtual memory, but no swap being used system-wide.

15:33 <PovAddict> virtual memory = swap + physical RAM

15:34 <PovAddict> and memory-mapped files, etc

15:35 <MTughan> Cool... I can get a kit of good quality DDR2-667 RAM with standard voltage for $74.

15:35 <MTughan> 4GB, 2x2GB.

15:37 <xiaou> Stephen Baldwin has branded himself with Hannah Montana's initials, all because Miley Cyrus dared him to.

15:37 <xiaou> *sigh*

15:37 <MTughan> And Stephen Baldwin would be who?

15:38 <xiaou> some actor

15:38 <xiaou> this is why I think we should do away with the lottery

15:38 <xiaou> people who don't earn vast wealth go nuts

15:38 <jackygrahamez> I thought they had handlers for that guy

15:39 <xiaou> they probably took away their stunguns and ketamine

15:39 <xiaou> and then hey, they're ojnly human

15:44 <CoderOnTheRoad> I'll bbiab

15:55 <MTughan> And that sucks... I can put 4GB, but it seems that Apple cheaped out on the chipset, and it won't support above 3GB. >_>

15:56 <MTughan> Goes along with most other stuff I've seen. 60GB 5400rpm HD, 2x256MB RAM default, Intel GMA950 integrated graphics...

15:56 <MTughan> Yes, they shipped this machine with 512MB of RAM total. In September 2006.

15:57 <PovAddict> :D

15:58 <MTughan> In comparision, it is newer, but for slightly less, I get a 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo, Intel X4500/ATI HD3470 graphics, and a 160GB 7200rpm HD.

15:58 <MTughan> Oh, and it came with Vista Business and XP Pro.

16:01 <efc> I think I will get something newish after Turkey Day..

16:01 <efc> I may bite the bullet and go XP.. have some extra Home licenses around

16:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> back

16:02 <wdsmia> wb

16:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> thx

16:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> where's the _w, wdsmia?

16:02 <CoderOnTheRoad> Veteran's Day?

16:02 <wdsmia> on his day off

16:03 <MTughan> Holy crap... How can the newest graphics drivers for my roommate's laptop (Nvidia 9500M GS) be from April?!

16:03 <CoderOnTheRoad> someone snuck in and replaced them?

16:04 <CoderOnTheRoad> Nvidia is trying to get their stock price back to April levels?

16:04 <MTughan> No, available for download. Nvidia definitely does new releases in that time.

16:04 <MTughan> BTW, they're "special" drivers from the manufacturers website.

16:04 <CoderOnTheRoad> Can't be Bush's fault anymore...

16:06 <PovAddict> when is Turkey day?

16:06 <efc> Thanksgiving, Nov 26 ish

16:06 <jackygrahamez> I'll send you all Toufurkey by fedex

16:07 <MTughan> Only in the US. We had Thanksgiving on October 13.

16:07 <jackygrahamez> :-)

16:07 <wdsmia> try the 27th

16:07 <MTughan> Or maybe we're the odd ones. Who knows.

16:07 <CoderOnTheRoad> You are being watched

16:07 <Romulus> Title: DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2008 (at

16:08 <CoderOnTheRoad> &google Iowa IQ

16:08 <Romulus> CoderOnTheRoad: Search took 0.16 seconds: Iowa Q-Machine 3: <>; Iowa Q-Machine 1: <>; Iowa - IQ Score: <>; Men of Iowa , I-Q , 1902: <>; I. Q. Control - TIME: <,9171,788896,00.html>; (2 more messages)

16:08 <PovAddict> if the area of the reports ("there have been more searches in this area") is coarse enough... I think it's a good idea

16:09 <CoderOnTheRoad> let's generate a conspiracy about men in Iowa

16:09 <wdsmia> :P

16:10 <CoderOnTheRoad> lol

16:10 <CoderOnTheRoad> Google will pick up on it

16:10 <xiaou> Ever notice the degenerating soil quality around any large urban area in the midwest?

16:10 <CoderOnTheRoad> the police will kick in the door

16:10 <CoderOnTheRoad> yeah, I have  =)

16:11 <xiaou> Des Moines in particular.  It's clear to me that its tied in with the underground homosexual population in such areas.  Also that River Phoenix movie

16:11 <xiaou> and given what happens to people in alien abductions

16:11 <xiaou> which

16:11 <xiaou> btw, only occur in the midwest...

16:11 <xiaou> well, to paraphrase the dead milkmen

16:11 <xiaou> clearly, they're building landing strips for gay martians

16:14 <xiaou>

16:14 <Romulus> <> (at

16:14 <xiaou> just in case you're not familiar

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16:54 <wdsmia> &ping

16:54 <Romulus> pong

16:59 <CoderOnTheRoad> this laptop is possessed

17:00 <CoderOnTheRoad> or maybe I occasionally brush the touchpad

17:01 <CoderOnTheRoad> laterz

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17:16 <Soul_keeper> lol KathrynM

17:17 <Soul_keeper> that's how we say hi in that channel :)

17:17 <PovAddict> huh

17:18 <Soul_keeper> i cussed at someone and she left another chan, the language was too bad i guess

17:18 <KathrynM> no.  just too many tabs open

17:18 <KathrynM> please, I can cuss like a sailor

17:19 <KathrynM> in Korean too :)

17:19 <Soul_keeper> heh

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17:28 <Rookie_69> Byuntae

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18:55 <Rookie_69> NN.

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19:08 <Tank_Master> &wx 97007

19:08 <Tank_Master> &more

19:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

19:08 <Tank_Master> &more

19:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

19:08 <Tank_Master> &more

19:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

19:08 <wdsmia> &insult Tank_Master

19:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master - You are nothing but a droning mass of tofu-nibbling hair.

19:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 54.8F / 12.7C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain...breezy. Lows 50 to 55. South wind 15 to 25 mph.; Wednesday - Rain...breezy. Highs around 60. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 40 mph.; Wednesday Night - Rain. Lows 45 to 50. Southwest wind 5 to 15 (1 more message)

19:08 <Tank_Master> &more

19:08 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph.;

19:08 <Tank_Master> slow pos

19:10 * Tank_Master is still waiting for the wind n rain

19:15 <wdsmia> and they call the wind mariah

19:23 <Tank_Master> ?

19:24 * wdsmia thinks Tank_Master is to young to remember the song

19:24 <Tank_Master> probably

19:27 <wdsmia> or is that senile

19:27 <wdsmia> :p

19:28 <Tank_Master> no

19:28 <wdsmia> lol

19:28 <wdsmia> brb

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19:43 <wdsmia> b

19:44 <Tank_Master> wb

19:45 <wdsmia> thx

19:52 <wdsmia> lol

19:52 <Romulus> <> (at

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21:42 <quail> 'afternoon all

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22:27 <jimmacdonald> an IRC channel for BOINC how interesting.

22:47 <granpa_paul> evening

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23:45 <MTughan> Whoa... Yo wdsmia:

23:45 <Romulus> <> (at

23:45 <MTughan> Right under me.

23:45 <MTughan> You signed up to AI the same day as me.

23:48 <quail> &wx ypad

23:48 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 92°F / 33°C | Humidity: 6% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM CST; Clear. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Overcast. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Overcast. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Overcast. Low:75 F. / 24 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:53 F. / 12 C.;

23:48 <MTughan> Well, my dad doesn't really approve of me bringing my desktop up here, even though he's fine with me upgrading it...

23:49 <MTughan> Doesn't matter, I'll still more than likely bring it.

23:55 <efc> Melted Havarti, mmmm

23:57 <MTughan> efc: Oh nice... Please don't elaborate, you'll make me hungry. And it's almost midnight.

23:58 <efc> They had the gourmet stuff on sale at the grocery store tonight

23:58 * MTughan loves havarti cheese

23:58 <MTughan> Probably the last time I had it was in July. :(

23:58 <efc> I picked up some jalepeno Havarti but haven't opened it until I finish this plain stuff

23:59 <MTughan> Nice...

23:59 <efc> They need a sampler of all the gourmet cheeses.. I bet there are some other goodies out there

23:59 <efc> Gouda, Brie, etc

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