IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2008-11-15

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01:08 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

01:09 <zombie67> hi MT

01:09 <MTughan> I guess you saw the PG challenge was cancelled?

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01:23 <zombie67> yeah, but wasn't involved in this one

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02:15 <quail> 'evening all

02:18 <MTughan> 'lo quail

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02:53 <Soul_keeper>

02:53 <Romulus> <> (at

02:54 <MTughan> Isn't that a bit of an older kernel?

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02:54 <Soul_keeper> why break a good thing

02:54 <Tank_Master> man I love booth babes

02:55 <MTughan> lol

02:55 <Soul_keeper> amd/ati have the best ones :)

02:55 <Tank_Master> :P

02:55 <MTughan> Anyway... I'm waiting for 2.6.27 to come out for my distro. My wireless card doesn't work until that happens.

02:55 <Tank_Master> at least they are good at something

02:57 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, i've probably only rebooted 3 or 4 times since installing this kernel

02:57 <MTughan> My Mac's been up for 58 days now.

02:57 <Soul_keeper> likely installed it the day it came out

02:58 <Soul_keeper> musta been like 90 days when the dust killed it last week

02:59 <Soul_keeper> ran my athlon for over a year before, till fires took out the power

02:59 <Soul_keeper> took my Eeepc over 90 days too

02:59 <MTughan> I have to restart this machine soon though. Security updates that were released Oct 8.

03:01 <Soul_keeper> ahhh mac ...

03:01 <MTughan> When I get the new machine though, I'll probably just use a 2.6.26 kernel and stay there.

03:01 <MTughan> Headless, of course.

03:01 <MTughan> Oh, BTW: Do you know if CUDA can run without X running?

03:01 <Soul_keeper> not sure, never tryed it

03:02 <Soul_keeper> my 6800 don't support it apparently

03:02 <MTughan> It happens.

03:02 <Soul_keeper> i'd assume that as long as the drivers are loaded you'd be ok

03:02 <Soul_keeper> module*

03:02 <MTughan> Because I'd prefer not to run an X server on it if I don't have to.

03:03 <Soul_keeper> well you'd probably have to have the xlibraries/deps installed atleast

03:04 <MTughan> Probably for the Nvidia driver to install, yeah.

03:04 <Soul_keeper> s/probably//

03:05 <MTughan> Although most Linux distros come with graphical installs by default now.

03:05 <MTughan> Yeah.

03:05 <Soul_keeper> tr 'probably' '\b'

03:06 <Soul_keeper> i spent way too much time with bash earlier today

03:06 <MTughan> Heh.

03:06 <MTughan> I only know the tr operator from perl.

03:07 <Soul_keeper> finally came to the end after writing something for 4hrs, and decided i shoulda stuck to C as i had originally started the project

03:07 <Soul_keeper> perl woulda been a good choice too

03:07 <Soul_keeper> harder to manipulate lots of variables/data with bash after it gets so big

03:08 <MTughan> Does bash have arrays?

03:08 <Soul_keeper> yes

03:08 <Soul_keeper> somewhat limited i believe

03:09 <MTughan> Wow, the time just seems to keep creeping forward... Past 3AM here.

03:09 <MTughan> lol, take a look at Explosm.

03:09 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

03:09 <MTughan> While it's still up...

03:09 <Tank_Master> fun times, eh?

03:09 <Soul_keeper> came to the point where i needed arrays and complex while/if setups  bash was just dragging me down,  woulda had to increase my code size by 3x at that point

03:10 <MTughan>

03:10 <Romulus> <> (at

03:10 <Soul_keeper> cool

03:11 <Soul_keeper> anything is possible in bash tho, if you really really want to make it work

03:12 <Soul_keeper> takes forever to backup 300GB ....

03:13 <Soul_keeper> only 40GB to go after 3hr 15min

03:13 <Tank_Master> LOL

03:13 <Tank_Master> &cad

03:13 <Romulus>

03:15 <MTughan> Eh, I like xkcd better.

03:15 <MTughan> &xkcd

03:15 <Romulus>

03:17 <Soul_keeper> :)

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03:19 <Tank_Master> <- for those running win7, new feature unlocking tool released

03:19 <Romulus> Title: Within Windows (at

03:19 <Tank_Master> ill brb, need to reboot

03:19 <Soul_keeper> CLR really is as good as they say it is, threw some of that in my sink and toilet, now everything looks brand new :)

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03:42 <Soul_keeper> let's see 3.5hrs to backup 289GB  that's an average speed of ....  23.4KB/s  ?

03:43 <Soul_keeper> probably the -a and boinc slowing it down

03:44 <DerMeister> No, it's about 23MB/s...

03:44 <Soul_keeper> ahhh yeah

03:44 <Soul_keeper> not bad

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03:45 <Soul_keeper> good night

03:49 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 50.0F / 10.0C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.46in / 997.5hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.5mph / 5.6km/h ; Overnight - Rain likely late this evening...then periods of rain. Lows in the mid 40s. South winds around 5 mph...becoming west. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday - Showers. Early highs in the upper 40s. Temperatures (1 more message)

03:50 <CoderForLife> &more

03:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: falling into the lower 40s in the afternoon. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Saturday Night - Cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers in the evening...then a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Cooler with lows in the lower 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.;

03:52 <Tank_Master> gn sk

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08:41 <asc> Question: If I run a project on one computer, and run another project on another computer, how would I make sure that e.g. boincstats knows they go with the same user?

08:45 <kathryn_> Use the same email for both projects.

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08:46 <asc> Bah, that is far too easy. Thanks.

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09:25 <CoderForLife> we save all the tough questions for KathrynM

09:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

09:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 31.5F / -0.3C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 31.07in / 1052.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8.7mph / 14.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy...colder. Scattered flurries through the day. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Partly (1 more message)

09:27 <wdsmia> &more

09:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: sunny. Not as cool. High in the upper 40s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.;

09:27 <CoderForLife> morning Doug

09:27 <wdsmia> morning Don

09:27 <CoderForLife> I just got back from the grocery store

09:28 <asc> hm

09:28 <asc> &taf kbli

09:28 <Romulus> asc: Are you daft?

09:28 <CoderForLife> all the fine folks at Krogers say hi

09:28 <asc> no, but you might be

09:29 <MTughan> Oh, Romulus is always daft.

09:30 <CoderForLife> "daft"="operating within normal parameters"

09:31 * CoderForLife buffs Rommie's chrome dome to a crisp shine, and puts two more quarters in his slot

09:31 <MTughan> lol

09:33 <CoderForLife> bbiab

09:41 <MTughan> All right, just won a game of poker...

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11:24 <wdsmia> Hmm looks like im a great uncle

11:24 <CoderForLife> that's certainly better than a not-so-great one - congrats

11:25 <wdsmia> lol

11:26 <PovAddict> overheard in the train: "last week my son gave me the news that I'll be a grandpa..."

11:26 <PovAddict> "...what an idiot... I *told* him to use a condom"

11:26 <wdsmia> and the other nephew wife is in labor

11:26 <CoderForLife> you're getting old, wdsmia

11:27 <wdsmia> must have been a hell of a party 8 months ago

11:27 <wdsmia> err 9

11:27 <PovAddict> it's interesting to read stats about when the most children are born

11:28 <CoderForLife> I was born on 9/28 - merry christmas

11:28 <PovAddict> 9 months after a blackout... 9 months after the country wins at soccer...

11:28 <wdsmia> 9/13 they must have opened there present early

11:28 <CoderForLife> heh

11:29 <MTughan> I know someone who's birthday is Dec 25th. :P

11:29 <PovAddict> 12/17

11:30 * CoderForLife checks his Delta SkyMiles credits

11:32 <CoderForLife> me and Delta agree, fortunately

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11:33 * CoderForLife updates his MS Money Delta frequent flyer account with the flight activity from this week

12:40 <freakazoid0223> &wx 19020

12:40 <Romulus> freakazoid0223: Temperature: 68.0F / 20.0C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.49in / 998.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 2.2mph / 3.5km/h ; This Afternoon - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and heavy rainfall. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain near 100 (2 more messages)

12:40 <freakazoid0223> &more

12:40 <Romulus> freakazoid0223: percent.; Tonight - Showers with a chance of thunderstorms in the evening... then showers likely after midnight. Some thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and heavy rainfall in the evening. Lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Sunday - Partly sunny and windy. Cooler with highs in the upper 40s. West (1 more message)

12:40 <freakazoid0223> &more

12:40 <Romulus> freakazoid0223: winds 15 to 25 mph.; Tornado Watch for Bucks County in effect until 7:00 PM EST on November 15, 2008;

12:40 <freakazoid0223> oh joy

12:40 <CoderForLife> sounds like phun

12:41 <freakazoid0223> yupper

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14:14 <KathrynM> CoderForLife, I aim to please.  Not everyone can be a code monkey :-)

14:16 <CoderForLife> is that code or Code?  =)

14:17 <KathrynM> ah yes.  I'd be a code monkey.  You'd be a Code Monkey

14:17 <CoderForLife> lol

14:17 <CoderForLife> stick with me little one, I'll make a Coder of you yet  =)

14:17 <KathrynM> lol

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14:18 <KathrynM> What I really need is a dead tree book.  The web just doesn't work for me.  I get the "oOOOOOO shiny thing" too often

14:18 <KathrynM> Hence, when I bought a real book to learn Korean, I learned to read in a week.

14:19 <CoderForLife> yeah, there's nothing quite like curling up in the corner with a pile of pulp

14:19 <PovAddict> nothing works for me

14:19 <KathrynM> Not that I understand a word of what I read.  And it takes me a good minute to sound out most sentences.

14:19 <PovAddict> if I get a dead tree book of a topic I'm not actually interested in, I'll get super-distracted anyway

14:19 <PovAddict> I don't need the 'net, I have enough distraction material in my own mind

14:19 <CoderForLife> you might like a reader, like a Kindle, Pov

14:20 * KathrynM had that problem in grad school

14:20 <KathrynM> and in college for that matter

14:20 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: that won't make the topic interesting :) content is the problem

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14:20 <CoderForLife> put the content you want on the Kindle

14:20 <PovAddict> put me in a padded room with boring stuff to read and I'll still have something to get distracted with

14:22 <PovAddict> for content I "want", there is no problem... for content I "have to"...

14:22 <PovAddict> :/

14:22 <CoderForLife> ah

14:26 <MTughan> I know... I can get interested in just about anything else if I'm really bored. Ever studied the walls in your room meticulously?

14:28 <CoderForLife> My forced study assigments have generally revolved around soil kinematics and retaining wall engineering and construction techniques.

14:28 <CoderForLife> More recently I have been force-fed radon mitigation techniques.

14:29 <CoderForLife> Very lately I have been engrossed in reserve requirements for fixed annuity products.

14:30 <CoderForLife> kill me

14:30 <wdsmia> Bang!

14:30 <CoderForLife> thank you

14:30 <CoderForLife> sincerely, the grateful dead

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14:32 * CoderForLife wants to Code

14:33 * KathrynM is helping her brother with his homework

14:33 <PovAddict> o.o

14:33 <CoderForLife> teamwork

14:33 <KathrynM> CS major that obviously never heard of Google :)

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14:33 <CoderForLife> oops

14:33 <PovAddict> bigger o_O

14:33 <KathrynM> nah, he's working on the hard parts

14:34 <KathrynM> he's taking an international business class and has to do a project on S. Korea

14:34 <CoderForLife> what hard parts?

14:34 <CoderForLife> ah business, not CS

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14:34 <CoderForLife> you might be considered a SME on S.K.

14:35 <PovAddict> in some places they teach you to Code correctly, in others they teach you how to code enough to make the boss happy

14:35 <KathrynM> SME?

14:35 <PovAddict> theory vs practice

14:35 <CoderForLife> Subject Matter Expert

14:35 <KathrynM> ah

14:35 <CoderForLife> common TLA in business

14:37 <KathrynM> now complaining about KDE4 with him

14:40 <CoderForLife> that should help

14:40 <KathrynM> youtube ok?

14:40 <KathrynM> damn it worng window

14:40 <CoderForLife> no, it's in the wrong window, I hear

14:42 <MTughan> Holy crap... A store I know has preorders for Nehalem open now. The lowest one, the i7 920, is priced at $396...

14:42 <PovAddict> KathrynM:$

14:42 <Romulus> <> (at

14:42 <PovAddict> third quote from the end...

14:42 <PovAddict> "I don't hear many people complaining that, say, KDE 4 is way more annoying than KDE 3."

14:43 <PovAddict> I replied to that :)

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14:46 <KathrynM> lol

14:46 <KathrynM> I've grudgingly come to accept it

14:46 <KathrynM> but I still don't like it

14:46 <efc> moo

14:48 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

14:48 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.3F / 4.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1003.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4.6mph / 7.4km/h ; This Afternoon - Rain. Near steady temperatures in the upper 30s. Northwest winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers in the evening...then a (1 more message)

14:49 <CoderForLife> &more

14:49 <Romulus> CoderForLife: slight chance of rain and snow showers after midnight. Colder with lows around 30. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Unseasonably cold with highs in the upper 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.;

14:49 <CoderForLife> moo efc

14:49 <efc> &wx 30625

14:49 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 63F / 17C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 29.73in / 1007hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of showers in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 60s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 10 to 15 (1 more message)

14:49 <CoderForLife> I might try a fire in the fireplace later

14:50 <efc> I sould go run while its warm but I don't wanna

14:50 <CoderForLife> I'd just go lay on the couch until the feeling goes away

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14:51 <KathrynM> heh

14:51 <KathrynM> [04:50:45] … OK, now that I've finished your homework (chuckle), I'm going back to bed

14:51 <KathrynM> [04:50:57] Chris: thanks!

14:51 <KathrynM> [04:51:05] … don't laugh...  i've helped you with your compy.

14:52 <CoderForLife> =)

14:53 <KathrynM> PovAddict, lol

14:53 <PovAddict> what exactly are you loling about now?

14:54 * CoderForLife gets up to walk out to the mailbox to get the Saturday mail

14:54 <CoderForLife> bbiab

14:54 <KathrynM> your reponse to the latest boinc_alpha thread

14:54 <PovAddict> :)

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14:55 <KathrynM> lol

14:55 <KathrynM> Yeah but can you imagine explaining that to someone who doesn't know what

14:55 <KathrynM> the registry is and just doesn't want another icon in their taskbar?

15:01 <KathrynM> &nn

15:01 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

15:01 <PovAddict> bai

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15:14 <efc> &ping

15:14 <Romulus> pong

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15:30 <CoderForLife> back

15:31 <CoderForLife> cya KathrynM

15:38 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

15:38 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 55.6F / 13.1C | Humidity: 65% | Pressure: 30.03in / 1016.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the 50s. Light wind.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the 40s. Light wind.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Light wind.;

15:39 <FreeLarry58> hamm all in all not bad weather - now if body would be as good

15:39 <FreeLarry58> tca

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17:12 <jackygrahamez> hi

17:12 <jackygrahamez> &wx washington, DC

17:12 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 62.4F / 16.9C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of This Afternoon - Showers ending. West winds around 15 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Mostly sunny and breezy. (1 more message)

17:13 <jackygrahamez> &,pre

17:13 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Are you daft?

17:13 <jackygrahamez> &more

17:13 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Highs in the lower 50s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.;

17:13 <jackygrahamez> um anyone home?

17:13 <MTughan> lol... One over on the right hand. :P

17:13 <jackygrahamez> cool

17:13 <jackygrahamez> I just created an interface for one of my apps

17:14 <PovAddict> what do you mean?

17:14 <jackygrahamez> Well I actually have been working on it for a week

17:14 <jackygrahamez> Ok so I was working on the quantum espresso app

17:15 <jackygrahamez> and now I have a interface for submitting jobs

17:15 <MTughan> LHC espressos?

17:15 <jackygrahamez> I've been trying to figure out if there are any potential exploits

17:15 <PovAddict> MTughan, attack!

17:15 <MTughan> I have a song by that name...

17:16 * MTughan is listening to Attack by System of a Down from Hypnotize

17:17 <jackygrahamez> I hardcoded the input & output directories to the current working directory

17:18 <jackygrahamez> If I did it correctly, there should be no way to overwrite or read other areas of the file system

17:18 <MTughan> What about ".." directories?

17:18 <jackygrahamez> If I did it right, then no run-time variables are past

17:19 <jackygrahamez> That's right I was going to catch that exception

17:20 <MTughan> Hmm, interesting...    /.. -> /

17:20 <MTughan> Or... The parent of the root directory is the root directory.

17:21 <MTughan> Hold true on both OS X and Linux.

17:21 <MTughan> Holds*

17:28 <CoderForLife> lol

17:29 <CoderForLife> when we got our original release of the content management server at w@#%, the parent of root was stack trace

17:29 <MTughan> lol

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17:31 <CoderForLife> wb Tidus

17:31 <CoderForLife> &seen Tidus

17:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tidus was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 12 hours, 14 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <Tidus> gah

17:32 <CoderForLife> not *too* long gone

17:33 <Tidus> lol

17:33 <Tidus> yeah

17:33 <Tidus> so what's been up here?

17:33 <CoderForLife> relatively quiet, imho

17:33 <Tidus> cool

17:34 <Tidus> i think i found the parts for my next desktop system

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17:34 <CoderForLife> I was traveling on business this past week, so I was absent mostly

17:35 <Tidus> amd phenom x4 9950 black edition, 4gb ram, asus motherboard

17:35 <CoderForLife> mmm

17:35 <Tidus> the mobo and processor combo is only $319

17:35 <Tidus> and that's amd's best processor, and a very nice asus board

17:36 <CoderForLife> sounds yummy

17:36 <CoderForLife> less filling, tastes great

17:36 <Tidus> lol

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17:38 <Tidus> compared to intel's comparable offering, it's about half the price

17:38 <Tidus> for the same amount of performance

17:38 <Tidus> amd's always had the best bang for the buck quotient

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17:40 <MTughan> Tidus: None of the Phenoms can compare to the Core 2 Quads. Not yet, or unless they're overclocked...

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17:42 <CoderForLife> based on overall performance with BOINC, I recommended AMDs over Intel at w@#% for our Microsoft HPC grid

17:43 <MTughan> I could believe that AMD was winning in the performance per watt. But in overall performance, the Core 2 Quads win, let alone the Nehalem's.

17:44 <MTughan> Pricing though... Nehalem is looking to be about $750 (at one retailer) for an ASUS MB and the Core i7 920.

17:44 <Tidus> i'm waiting for amd's deneb platform

17:44 <MTughan> Doesn't matter whether it's USD or CAD, that's a lot of money.

17:44 <MTughan> Tidus: Yeah, that should be good. Q1 2009?

17:44 <Tidus> i wanna see how those perform compared to the current offerings

17:44 <Tidus> MTughan: i believe so

17:45 <CoderForLife> historically speaking, hasn't AMD held an edge in floating point computations over Intel?  I think of Intel as more "general purpose" and when I want to do tons of FP, I need to reach for AMD

17:45 <Tidus> an amd phenom 9950 black dissipates 125w, can be overclocked from a stock 2.6 to 3.0 at stock voltage on the stock HSF

17:45 <MTughan> Hmm, that's possible. I've only seen results from application performance, not pure number performance.

17:46 <Tidus> right now i have a fairly decent machine, just a bit slower than current offerings

17:46 <Tidus> core 2 T5500 with 2gb ram

17:46 <MTughan> Tidus: Similar stats for a C2Q Q6600, except a TDP of 135W and a max of 3.4 on standard voltage and air.

17:47 <Tidus> MTughan: stock heatsink?

17:47 <MTughan> That I don't know. I just remember reading air. It should still be relatively good OCing on the stock heatsink.

17:47 <Tidus> MTughan: buddy of mine has the phenom 9950 at 3.3 on a zalman copper cooler

17:48 <MTughan> 9700LED?

17:48 <Tidus> he had a water system until it sprang a leak or 3... it was running at 3.5 with a very slight overvolt

17:48 <Tidus> MTughan: i think it's that one

17:48 <MTughan> That's the one I have on my P4 ATM.

17:48 <MTughan> Nice cooler.

17:49 <Tidus> i'd be running my T5500 a bit higher, but two problems

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17:49 <Tidus> laptop, and really shitty heatsink

17:49 <wdsmia> asks Tidus to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

17:49 <Tidus> er, crappy

17:49 <Tidus> sorry...

17:49 * Tidus zips his mouth

17:49 <MTughan> I have a T9400 in a laptop here, clocked at 2.53GHz. Nice proc.

17:50 <MTughan> Unfortunately, no way I know of to overclock. Definitely nothing in the BIOS.

17:50 <Tidus> mine's 1.667ghz

17:51 <Tidus> 17" HP media laptop

17:51 <Tidus> 2gb ram (4gb max), 200gb of disk

17:52 <MTughan> What speed RAM?

17:52 <MTughan> Oh, and 14" Lenovo laptop, 160GB HD.

17:52 <Tidus> ddr2-667

17:52 <MTughan> DDR3-1066 here.

17:52 <MTughan> DDR2-667 is what my Mac runs though, seems to be fine memory.

17:53 <Tidus> it's fairly good memory

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17:54 <Tidus> my phenom machine will be usin ddr2-1066

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17:55 <MTughan> Cool. I'm looking at either a Nehalem or a Core 2 Quad system over the holidays.

17:55 <PovAddict> f-ing electricity

17:56 <Tidus> MTughan: i know where i can get a c2q dell with a blu-ray drive for $499

17:56 <MTughan> What kind of specs?

17:56 <PovAddict> a DRM machine

17:56 <Tidus> c2q 6600 (i think), 4gb ram, unsure of hd

17:57 <MTughan> I have all the accessories, I just need a CPU, MB, RAM, and GPU.

17:57 <Tidus> it's got a radeon hd2400 video

17:57 <MTughan> PovAddict: That's why operating systems are replaceable... :P

17:57 <MTughan> Tidus: Built in, or external card?

17:57 <Tidus> external card

17:58 <MTughan> Do you have a model number?

17:58 <PovAddict> MTughan: you can't have a Blu-Ray drive and not have DRM on your machine

17:58 <Tidus> it's a dell inspiron 530

17:58 <Tidus> mid-tower

17:58 <MTughan> PovAddict: Sure I can. I just don't use the drive.

17:58 <PovAddict> you still have it :)

17:59 <MTughan> I can have the drive and not have DRM on my machine. Do you honestly think Linux would put DRM in?

18:01 <PovAddict> the drive has DRM

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18:01 <MTughan> You mean HDCP?

18:01 <Tidus> the drive itself doesn't have drm

18:02 <PovAddict> I know data goes encrypted between the drive and the OS

18:02 <PovAddict> the OS has to do quite a bit of crypto negotiation with the drive

18:02 <PovAddict> I remember part of the complex process of un-DRMing (because yes, BluRay DRM has already been broken) was flashing the drive firmware

18:03 <Tidus> for blu-ray discs, yes, there is a player key, which is now in software

18:04 <PovAddict> da hell?

18:04 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Nokia Ringtone Fugue (Vincent Lo) (at

18:05 <MTughan> Uh... "Network: Integrated 10/100 network interface"

18:05 <MTughan> Even my 4 year old MB has gigabit.

18:06 <Tidus> MTughan: you looking at the dell?

18:06 <MTughan> Yeah.

18:06 <Tidus> it's not one of the cheap i530s

18:07 <MTughan> The things I'd be worried about are the MB capabilities and if it's working. I'd strip out the MB/CPU/RAM from the system, drop it in my old system, and put something like an ATI HD4870 or Nvidia 9800GTX or GTX260 in.

18:07 <Tidus> MTughan: the system runs perfectly fine

18:08 <MTughan> So why is it being sold then?

18:08 <Tidus> but since it's a dell, it uses a non-standard psu

18:09 <MTughan> Does it use standard ATX connectors?

18:09 <Tidus> standard connector, pinout's different

18:09 <MTughan> All right... Two more questions then: What is its rated wattage, and how many PCIe connectors does it have?

18:10 <Tidus> since it's a c2q dell with an external video card, probably 450w psu, and only 1 pcie

18:10 <Tidus> one x16 anyways

18:10 <Tidus> i believe it's also got an x1

18:10 <MTughan> PCIe power connectors, sorry. On the PSU.

18:10 <Tidus> probably only 1

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18:11 <MTughan> I'm still a little skeptical about this then...

18:11 <Tidus> i'm not. the machine is local to me

18:11 <Tidus> i've played around on it, just haven't had the cover off

18:12 <Tidus> and the ati HD4850 only requires one pcie

18:12 <MTughan> I could live with using a different PSU, as long as it was powerful enough. Even if it didn't have any PCIe power connectors, most video cards come with Molex adapters.

18:12 <MTughan> What kinds of ports on the back?

18:13 <Tidus> 6 usb, 7-ch audio, HDCP-capable DVI, VGA

18:13 <Tidus> ethernet

18:13 <MTughan> DVI and VGA are variable because they're on the GPU, but okay... No PS/2?

18:14 <Tidus> and there's only one problem with using a different psu, ... it's a dell. motherboard connector has the pins switched

18:14 <MTughan> That's what I'm saying, I can live with using Dell's PSU as long as it's powerful enough.

18:16 <Tidus> yeah

18:16 <MTughan> Do you mind taking a picture of the inside for me?

18:17 <Tidus> that's why i suggested using an HD4850 instead of the 4870

18:18 <Tidus> and next time i see the machine i can take a pic of it and email it to you

18:18 <MTughan>

18:21 <Tidus> saved

18:24 <Tidus> so if you're interested in it, how do you plan to pay for the machine?

18:26 <MTughan> Good question...

18:26 <Tidus> i do have a valid paypal

18:26 <MTughan> Right now, I'm leaning towards my own parts, but we'll see.

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18:27 <Tidus> i mean if i had the money i would have bought it already

18:27 <MTughan> A system with a Q6600, 2x2GB of DDR2-1066 RAM, and a Nvidia GeForce 9800GTX costs me just over $600. I haven't decided on a MB.

18:28 <Tidus> and a decent mobo will easily be another 150

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18:29 <MTughan> Yes, and I also get ATX power (I have a 550W PSU right now) and choice of features and ports.

18:30 <Tidus> one design issue i don't like about the c2q though is it's simply two dual core dies slapped together on the same package, 1 bank of cache shared between two cores, another bank of cache for the other two

18:30 <MTughan> Uh huh... What about it?

18:30 <Tidus> and the memory controller is still on the northbridge instead of on-die like the amd

18:30 <MTughan> Tidus: Nehalem.

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18:31 <Tidus> the phenom has L2 cache on each core with L3 shared between all 4

18:31 <MTughan> That'll be more, but moves the mem controller onto the CPU and uses a one die design.

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18:31 <Tidus> still locked back by the FSB design

18:32 <MTughan> Where?

18:32 <Tidus> instead of using direct-connect off the hypertransport

18:32 <Tidus> front-side bus

18:32 <MTughan> The CPU connects directly to the RAM, doesn't go through the northbridge anymore.

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18:33 <Tidus> that's a design inprovement

18:33 <MTughan> "A new point-to-point processor interconnect, the Intel QuickPath Interconnect, replacing the legacy front side bus"

18:34 <Tidus> design ripped directly from what amd's been doin for ages

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18:34 <MTughan> That may be, but it's working. Memory read times I believe are faster by up to 3x.

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18:36 <MTughan> There it is... Nehalem procs releasing on Monday have 256KB L2 per core, and 8MB shared L3.

18:36 <Tidus> amd's got 512k L2/core and 2m shared l3

18:37 <Tidus> my T5500 only has 2m shared between cores

18:37 <MTughan> 6MB on my T9400.

18:37 <MTughan> L2, that is.

18:37 <Tidus> i can't really complain for how little i paid for this machine

18:37 <MTughan> What was that?

18:37 <Romulus> or what drives many of the ATA crowd

18:38 <Tidus> US$0

18:38 <MTughan> Hehe... Always gotta love the freebies. :P

18:38 <PovAddict> technically I paid the same for mine

18:38 <PovAddict> (my dad paid for it :P)

18:38 <Tidus> it started as i was supposed to fix it for a lady, said the screen remained blank, thought it crashed

18:39 <Tidus> told her i'd look at it, turns out the internal monitor was only showing black, so hooked it up to external monitor

18:39 <MTughan> o_O

18:39 <Tidus> got nothin but garbage

18:39 <Romulus> Title: Nehalem News (at

18:39 <Tidus> same with the TV out

18:40 <Tidus> so that told me the video chip was fried. got it disassembled only to find that HP soldered the video chip onto the mainboard

18:40 <PovAddict> MTughan is posting geek porn links

18:40 <MTughan> lol

18:40 <Tidus> so i looked it up to figure out the price to repair... turns out it was going to be over US$400 for the whole mainboard assembly

18:41 <Tidus> she told me to keep it

18:41 <MTughan> I was looking for articles on how the Nehalem overclocked... I believe one reviewer managed to get his up to 4.0GHz with no trouble at all.

18:41 <Tidus> and a friend of mine had one just like it that had a busted screen, no hard drives ram or keyboard

18:41 <Tidus> but mainboard was still good, so i replaced mine with that one

18:44 <CoderForLife> lol

18:44 <Romulus> <> (at

18:45 <CoderForLife> the cover of the Maven book is an Ant eater

18:45 <CoderForLife> geek humor

18:45 <PovAddict> lol

18:45 <PovAddict> I never even figured out what Maven was...

18:46 <PovAddict> that picture sort of explains it

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18:48 <Tidus> one thing i hate about intel

18:48 <CoderForLife> prices?

18:48 <Romulus> Somebody said prices are out of sight, CoderForLife

18:48 <Tidus> every time they change processor design, they change the socket to go along with it

18:49 <MTughan> It was sort of necessary here, with the memory controller on the CPU.

18:49 <Tidus> amd hasn't changed it from am2 yet, even for the phenoms

18:49 <Tidus> am3 is physically the same socket

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18:51 <CoderForLife> I'm going to wander away

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18:51 <CoderForLife> tc all

18:51 <CoderForLife> gn

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18:52 <Tidus> seeya

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19:00 <KathrynM> sort and uniq

19:00 <KathrynM> cool beans!

19:00 <Tidus> lol

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19:53 <granpa_paul> you earth guys are easy...

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20:00 <Soul_keeper> hmm fortune cookie tryed to tell me "you love life very much"

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