IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2008-11-24

00:18 <Soul_keeper> MW = more wank ?

00:18 <Soul_keeper> MW = milwakee ?

00:19 <Tank_Master> wilky wanker

00:20 <Tank_Master> milky*

00:21 <efc> &wx 31088

00:21 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. Light and variable winds.; Monday - A slight chance of rain in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 60s. South winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; (1 more message)

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02:31 <Soul_keeper> perl is annoying as hell

02:32 <Soul_keeper> so easy to do things in bash, then when i want to do them in perl it's a nightmare

02:34 <Soul_keeper> lynx -dump > /tmp/fut.txt && cat /tmp/fut.txt |grep SPZ8 |head -1 |sed 's/  \[..\]//'    set a variable that that output ....   but noooo ...

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02:35 <efc> holy  /[.]\, batman

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02:45 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

02:45 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 35.8F / 2.1C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog late. Lows in the 30s. South wind to 10 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Patchy morning fog. Highs in the upper 40s to mid 50s. Light wind.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the 30s to lower (1 more message)

02:45 <FreeLarry58> &more

02:45 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: 40s. South wind to 10 mph.;

02:46 <FreeLarry58> humm first time furnance started running  instead of heatpump so below 41F currently

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05:19 <Soul_keeper> ok

05:24 <CoderForLife> wow - for the first time in a long time the alarm woke me up this morning

05:24 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 37.0F / 2.8C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain showers until mid afternoon...then rain showers likely. Highs in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph... becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of (1 more message)

05:24 <CoderForLife> &more

05:24 <Romulus> CoderForLife: rain and snow showers in the evening...then a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Lows around 30. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tuesday - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Near steady temperatures in the lower 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

05:34 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:46 <PovAddict> yawn

05:59 <KathrynM>

05:59 <Romulus> <> (at

05:59 <KathrynM> love it

06:10 <CoderForLife> back

06:10 <CoderForLife> morning

06:14 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

06:18 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz

06:30 <PovAddict> ditto

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07:03 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:57 <PovAdct_w> ...

07:57 <PovAdct_w> how the hell did I manage to forget my cellphone and my wallet at home?!

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08:52 <Welshman> Yo

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09:03 <jackygrahamez> Hi guys, I got a permission issue :-(

09:06 <jackygrahamez>

09:08 <Welshman> and how does that have to do with Boinc?

09:09 <Welshman> still help you tho :)

09:09 <jackygrahamez> Its a pre-alpha BOSSA I'm setting up for some friends pitching it to their employer

09:09 <jackygrahamez> It looks like I got a permission issue

09:10 <Welshman> its says a permissions thing

09:10 <Welshman> alter the permissions

09:10 <PovAdct_w> see the apache error log

09:10 <jackygrahamez> Thing is I'm comparing the permissions to what I got on my working project, and I must be missing something

09:11 <PovAdct_w> what is in that directory?

09:11 <jackygrahamez> so far they have not been very descriptive

09:11 <PovAdct_w> try to access a *file*

09:11 <PovAdct_w> maybe Apache has directory listing disabled

09:11 <Welshman> if there is a htaccess file in there delete it

09:11 <jackygrahamez> (13)Permission denied: access to / denied

09:13 <jackygrahamez> no htaccess apparently

09:13 <Welshman> search hidden files

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09:15 <Welshman> via root shh

09:15 <Welshman> ssh

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09:16 <jackygrahamez> I did a find via root

09:17 <Welshman> rm it

09:17 <PovAdct_w> rm what, the root?

09:17 <Welshman> you should have access tyhen

09:17 <PovAdct_w> what is the DocumentRoot?

09:17 <Welshman> then create a new if you want it protected$

09:18 <PovAdct_w> Welshman: he said there was no .htaccess

09:18 <Welshman> I see he found?

09:18 <PovAdct_w> "I did a find via root" = "I ran 'find' from root" but didn't necessarily return something

09:19 <Welshman> ah

09:19 <Welshman> language again :)

09:19 <Welshman> I think you will find its that way though

09:20 <jackygrahamez> I did not find it

09:20 <jackygrahamez> find . -name ".htaccess" -print

09:20 <Welshman> its a simple command

09:20 <Welshman> go to the dir and type

09:20 <Welshman> I firget

09:20 <Welshman> ls -h

09:20 <Welshman> no*

09:21 <Welshman> $its shows all

09:21 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: what is the dir with the DocumentRoot?

09:22 <Welshman> ls -a

09:22 <Welshman> type that

09:22 <jackygrahamez> one sec

09:22 <Welshman> in your main problem dir

09:23 <jackygrahamez> DocumentRoot "/home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html/user"

09:23 <Welshman> even the one above it

09:23 <Welshman> its the .htaccess your looking for

09:23 <jackygrahamez> Same as I have it on Hydrogen

09:23 <Welshman> I think

09:23 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: is there a <Directory "/home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html/user">Allow from All</Directory> directive in the configuration?

09:24 <jackygrahamez> Order allow,deny

09:24 <jackygrahamez>     Allow from all

09:25 <jackygrahamez> also

09:25 <jackygrahamez> llowOverride None

09:25 <jackygrahamez> AllowOverride None

09:25 <PovAdct_w> "AllowOverride None" means even if there was a .htaccess, it wouldn't take effect

09:25 <jackygrahamez> Options Indexes FollowSymLinks

09:26 <jackygrahamez> These apache issues sure are fund :-)

09:26 <jackygrahamez> fun :-d

09:27 <PovAdct_w> #apache

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09:28 <jackygrahamez> good idea

09:32 <Welshman> rm the file via root I mean

09:33 <PovAdct_w> ...

09:33 <Welshman> the .htaccess

09:33 <PovAdct_w> there is none

09:33 <Welshman> thats his problem I think

09:33 <Welshman> so he says

09:33 <PovAdct_w> and the main apache config has .htaccess disabled, so they won't be read anyway

09:34 <Welshman> suddenly the wabpage is a spam page

09:34 <Welshman> webpage

09:35 <Welshman> thats my problem

09:36 <Welshman> its a permmissions thing on the publuc html dir

09:36 <Welshman> geez

09:36 <Welshman> *public

09:37 <Welshman> he just has to allow access

09:37 <Welshman> so

09:38 <Welshman> its simple chmod or delete a .htaccess file

09:38 <Welshman> is there a boinc-offtopic lol

09:39 <PovAdct_w> are you drunk again?

09:39 <Welshman> halfway

09:39 <Welshman> lol

09:39 <PovAdct_w> thought so

09:40 <Welshman> drunk or sober neither have solved his answer

09:40 <Welshman> so dont say one way is the better

09:42 <jackygrahamez> ok #apache folks tell me its a filesystem permission issue

09:43 <Welshman>

09:43 <PovAdct_w> ls -ld /home /home/boincadm /home/boincadm/projects /home/boincadm/projects/mothership /home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html /home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html/user

09:43 <Welshman> what does it tell you?

09:44 <Welshman> one thing for sure, it's not a boinc issue

09:45 <Welshman> and it is certainly to do with basic permissions on folders and directories.

09:45 <jackygrahamez> usually is at this stage

09:45 <jackygrahamez> at least for me

09:45 <Welshman> jackygrahamez u use windows at all?

09:46 <jackygrahamez> never for hosting

09:46 <Welshman> your desktop tho

09:46 <Welshman> get bitvise

09:47 <Welshman> ssh in and use the sftp to change permissions on directories

09:47 <Welshman> its very good and very safe

09:47 <Welshman> and free

09:49 <Welshman>

09:49 <Romulus> Title: Tunnelier (Bitvise) (at

09:50 <Welshman> just right click directories and change permissions

09:50 <Welshman> play about a nit

09:50 <Welshman> a bit

09:51 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: did you run my long ls -ld command? pastebin its output

09:52 <Welshman> what does that do?

09:57 <jackygrahamez> I was going to but I'm a little slow, at work

09:58 <jackygrahamez> And For whatever reason the Icechat client is not letting me copy and paste

10:00 <jackygrahamez>   ah there we go

10:01 <jackygrahamez>

10:01 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:05 <PovAdct_w> wtf, the directory doesn't even exist

10:05 <PovAdct_w> hmm or does it

10:05 <PovAdct_w> weird

10:05 <PovAdct_w> anyway

10:05 <PovAdct_w> chmod o+x /home/boincadm

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10:09 <jackygrahamez> ok it got rid of that 403 message!

10:09 <jackygrahamez> blank screen though

10:10 <jackygrahamez> clears the way for some better error logs

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10:36 <hawmps> re-hi

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11:23 <jackygrahamez> does this open for you guys?

11:23 <Romulus> Title: MotherShip@Home (at

11:23 <MTughan> Yes, and no frames. :P

11:25 <jackygrahamez> how about the forums now?

11:25 <jackygrahamez> I just ran the create forums script

11:25 <MTughan> So it seems. It looks fine.

11:26 <jackygrahamez> great I think my friend's list of domains needs updating

11:26 <jackygrahamez> he sees it now

11:27 <jackygrahamez> has anyone here setup a bossa before?

11:27 <MTughan> Not me. Pov just left about a half hour ago.

11:28 <jackygrahamez> ok I should rtfm

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12:21 <jackygrahamez> I'm getting this error on bossa_admin.php

12:21 <jackygrahamez> PHP Fatal error:  Cannot redeclare show_app() (previously declared in /home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html/ops/bossa_admin.php:37) in /home/boincadm/projects/mothership/html/inc/ on line 815

12:23 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm, jackygrahamez removed my account

12:24 <MTughan> lol

12:24 <yoyo[RKN]> and what is bossa?

12:24 <MTughan> Just clicking a few links, haven't read it through:

12:24 <Romulus> Title: BossaIntro - BOINC - Trac (at

12:25 <MTughan> Looks like volunteer based with the volunteers actually donating their time rather than their CPU time.

12:26 <yoyo[RKN]> like searching something on a picture with volunteer eyes

12:26 <MTughan> IIRC, it was Stardust@Home that used it before.

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12:27 <MTughan> Yes, Stardust is the one I participated in.

12:28 <jackygrahamez> I'm not sure is Fold-It a BOSSA?

12:29 <MTughan> Not sure. Could be.

12:29 <MTughan> It references Rosetta@Home.

12:29 <jackygrahamez> I'm not sure how much my friend wants me to reveal since we are at a pre-alpha stage and they are pitching it to their boss

12:30 <MTughan> That's fine. I don't know much about Bossa anyway.

12:31 <jackygrahamez> For the work they are doing, it makes more sense to do a BOSSA

12:32 <jackygrahamez> sorry about that Yoyo

12:33 <yoyo[RKN]> ;)

12:33 <jackygrahamez> My friend and I were giggling when we saw you 5 minutes after we set the darn thing up

12:33 <jackygrahamez> we were trying to put it on the same server as Hydrogen but running into some heartache

12:36 <MTughan> lol... Big fail on the university's part here. They just upgraded the email services, adding a new subdomain for it. But they forgot to update the SSL cert to match the new name. xD

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12:37 <jackygrahamez> woops

12:43 <jackygrahamez> It looks like show_app is declared twice, I get this message even when I comment it in either location

12:52 <yoyo[RKN]> can somebody here translate a text from german or english to any other language?

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14:33 <hawmps> re-hi

14:34 <Tank_Master> re-wb

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16:40 <CoderForLife> home again

16:41 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

16:41 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 44.2F / 6.8C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 2.9mph / 4.7km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered rain showers this evening... then scattered snow showers after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.; (1 more message)

16:45 <CoderForLife> &more

16:45 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tuesday - Cloudy with scattered snow showers. Highs in the upper 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tuesday Night - Cloudy with isolated snow showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

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16:47 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel

16:47 <xcamel> re-hi

16:47 <CoderForLife> how was the trip home?

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16:50 <xcamel> very good for once...considering...

16:54 <CoderForLife> good

16:54 <CoderForLife> everything in order when you got home?

17:01 <xcamel> mostly

17:01 <xcamel> need to reboot - brb

17:03 <Tank_Master> hf

17:05 <xcamel> or not..

17:07 <xcamel> weird time issue

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17:14 <xcamel> still tired as hell, and not liking this weather one friggin bit.

17:15 <CoderForLife> I imagine not

17:15 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

17:15 <Tank_Master> &more

17:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

17:15 <Tank_Master> &more

17:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 51.6F / 10.9C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs 50 to 55. Light wind becoming northeast 5 to 10 mph...except east wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to 35 mph near The Gorge decreasing late.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy. (1 more message)

17:15 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Areas of fog developing overnight...mainly away from The Gorge. Lows 30 to 40. Light wind...except east wind 15 to 20 mph near The Gorge.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Areas of fog in the morning. A chance of rain...mainly during the afternoon. Highs around 50. Light wind except east 10 to 15 mph near The Gorge...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.;

17:15 <CoderForLife> too many lats and longs at one time

17:15 <MTughan> Lazy idiot...

17:16 <xcamel> moi?

17:16 <Tank_Master> clear and 52f here

17:16 <MTughan> No, TM. Tries to overrun Rommie.

17:16 <Tank_Master> clear and 52f here

17:16 <Tank_Master> clear and 52f here

17:16 <Tank_Master> &more

17:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

17:16 <Tank_Master> &more

17:16 <Tank_Master> &more

17:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

17:16 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

17:16 <xcamel> cloudy and 32, impending snow/heavy rain

17:16 <MTughan> And a spammer...

17:17 <Tank_Master> its not my fault rommie is slow

17:17 <MTughan> So now you're insulting Jay's internet connection?

17:17 <Tank_Master> no

17:17 <xcamel> no, he's just insulting

17:17 <Tank_Master> just the bot

17:17 <Tank_Master> that to :P

17:17 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:17 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:17 <Tank_Master> re-wb

17:18 <wdsmia> *lo Jay WB

17:18 <MTughan> Keep in mind that the machine's probably running BOINC too. I can't see anyone on here allocating one machine for a bot. :P

17:18 <xcamel> nice to be using a real keyboard again

17:18 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:18 <Tank_Master> lol MT, to true

17:18 <Tank_Master> unleass its some 486

17:18 <wdsmia> *lo Michael

17:18 <xcamel> yepp - and rom is running 2 instances on a lightweight dual

17:19 <xcamel> and some other things

17:19 <xcamel> like piespy, and the channel logger

17:20 <xcamel> and a java based auto ftp server for same

17:21 <xcamel> oh, and skype

17:21 <xcamel> &wx 12074

17:21 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 32.2F / 0.1C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1021.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A chance of rain this evening...then rain and snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Near steady temperature in the mid 30s. East winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tuesday - (2 more messages)

17:21 <MTughan> lol

17:21 <xcamel> *more

17:21 <xcamel> &more

17:21 <Romulus> xcamel: Snow in the morning. Rain. Additional snow accumulation a dusting. Near steady temperature in the mid 30s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Near steady temperature in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming south after midnight.; Areal Flood Watch for Saratoga County (1 more message)

17:21 <xcamel> &more

17:21 <Romulus> xcamel: in effect until 12:00 AM EST on November 26, 2008;

17:21 <xcamel> hmm... not that slow

17:21 <MTughan> First grab is slower.

17:21 <MTughan> &wx YOW

17:21 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy. Periods of snow beginning this evening. Amount 5 cm(2.0 in). Low -2C(28F).; Tuesday - Periods of snow. Amount 5 cm(2.0 in). High 1C(34F). Tuesday night periods of wet snow. Amount 2 to 4 cm. Low 0C(32F).; (1 more message)

17:22 <MTughan> &more

17:22 <Romulus> MTughan: Wednesday - Snow. High 1C(34F).;

17:22 <MTughan> After that, it just has to grab the content from memory.

17:22 * xcamel needs a much longer nights sleep

17:22 <xcamel> 4 hours doesn't cut it.

17:22 <MTughan> Wet snow tomorrow? Crud...

17:22 <Tank_Master> snow is the best

17:23 <MTughan> Snow is, but wet snow just sucks.

17:23 <xcamel> yupper - coastal storm blowing in - you're on the cold side.

17:25 <xcamel> hmmm... I smell dinner.

17:25 <xcamel> american food even

17:25 <MTughan> I already had dinner. :D

17:26 <Tank_Master> you mean you smell McDonnelds?

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17:34 * KathrynM is awake :(

17:34 <MTughan> 'lo KathrynM

17:34 <KathrynM> hiya MTughan

17:34 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

17:34 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 36°F / 2°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 7:28 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:53 F. / 12 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Clear. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Clear. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:41 F. / 5 C.;

17:35 <KathrynM> and people are acting like it's cold here...

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17:44 <MTughan> What's the normal temperature there?

17:44 <MTughan> And 2C isn't exactly warm.

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17:49 <jackygrahamez> hi

17:49 <jackygrahamez> Hi KathrynM (F)

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17:52 <xcamel> go figure..

17:52 <xcamel> disconnected from the desktop..

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17:54 <xcamel> hate that..

17:59 <jackygrahamez> ok one question

17:59 <jackygrahamez> should the "BOSSA" project have daemons?

18:00 <jackygrahamez> I'm trying to upgrade with the most recent SVN and it dies

18:00 <jackygrahamez> sh: /home/boincadm/projects/mothership/mothership/bin/stop: No such file or directory

18:00 <jackygrahamez> Couldn't stop project!

18:04 <xcamel> seems a bit strange - what's BOSSA?

18:05 <xcamel> &ping

18:05 <Romulus> pong

18:05 <jackygrahamez> oh its the distributed thinking middleware that distributes with BOINC

18:05 <jackygrahamez> not many people doing it

18:06 <jackygrahamez> I'll email David with my question

18:07 <xcamel> oh.. they should just change the name to BLOAT

18:10 <xcamel> or begin creating a version that is just pure tight fast project smashing code.

18:10 <xcamel> which is what real people want..

18:11 <jackygrahamez> Yes I should start my own middleware called OINK

18:11 <Tank_Master> hehe

18:11 <Tank_Master> or INK

18:11 <jackygrahamez> I have not thought so far what the accronym stands for

18:11 <xcamel> BINK?

18:14 <xcamel> I always like "B'OINK"

18:15 <xcamel> like G'Kar

18:30 <MTughan> That's really odd... Both hosts are now connected to the account manager, but none of the projects have shown up.

18:31 <CoderForLife> I'm away for the rest of the evening - good to have you back xcamel

18:31 <CoderForLife> gn folks

18:31 <Tank_Master> gn CFL

18:32 <wdsmia> cya Don

18:32 <MTughan> Night CFL.

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18:39 <Crewsr3> Does anyone know where the boinc history file is stored on a linux install.  I'm rebilling my computer and I don't want to lose my hard earned history

18:40 <MTughan> What history?

18:40 <Crewsr3> My chart history

18:41 <Tank_Master> oh, you meen the log file for #boinc?

18:41 <Tank_Master> that depends on your setup

18:41 <MTughan> No, the Statistics tab...

18:41 <Crewsr3> I just don't like it when I do a clean install and my chart starts at what ever my last plot was

18:41 <Tank_Master> oh, hehe

18:41 <Tank_Master> read it as "chat history"

18:41 <Crewsr3> its not a problem just a person thing

18:42 <Crewsr3> I'm running ubuntu and Its not in the home folder any ideas where it could be

18:42 <Tank_Master> isnt that just an xml file in the BOINC folder?

18:42 <MTughan> I'm not quite sure where that's stored...

18:42 <Tank_Master> one xml for each project

18:42 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Probably, but where's the BOINC data folder? That's what he's asking.

18:43 <Tank_Master> just back up the entier BOIN directory, and you might be fine

18:43 <MTughan> I'll have to look up where the Ubuntu package installs that.

18:43 <Tank_Master> doesnt linux only have one folder?

18:43 <MTughan> Sure. But he installed it using a package, not from source.

18:43 <MTughan> Or a tar unzip.

18:43 <Crewsr3> I will try backing up the whole folder and then look for it

18:43 <Crewsr3> I installed with the package

18:44 <Crewsr3> from the ubuntu repos

18:44 <MTughan> /etc/default/boinc-client

18:44 <MTughan> Oops... /etc/boinc-client

18:44 <MTughan> Damn me again, I need to read this all through the first time... /var/lib/boinc-client.

18:46 <Crewsr3> is it a particular file?  I'm concerned that is I install the program and then just copy over the old folder onto the new one that it could create a problem

18:46 <MTughan> The daemon startup script is in /etc/default/boinc-client, the executables are in /etc/boinc-client, and the data files (what you're looking for) are in /var/lib/boinc-client.

18:47 <MTughan> Yes, it would create a problem... Let me look over my installation, see if I can find it.

18:47 <Crewsr3> MTughan, Thanks for the good info

18:47 <MTughan> for more info.

18:47 <Romulus> <> (at

18:47 <xcamel> back with coffee

18:48 <xcamel> 'yummy'

18:48 <Crewsr3> Romulus, it looks like boinc controls the data folder to prevent tampering

18:48 <Romulus> Crewsr3: Are you daft?

18:48 <Crewsr3> Romulus, daft?  I'm not sure what you mean

18:48 <Romulus> Crewsr3: Are you daft?

18:48 <MTughan> Romulus is a bot... :P

18:48 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?

18:49 <MTughan> &cyborg Crewsr3

18:49 <Romulus> MTughan: C.R.E.W.S.R.: Cybernetic Robotic Exploration and Worldwide Sabotage Replicant

18:49 <Crewsr3> MTughan, I'm not but I'm going to write that one donw

18:49 <Crewsr3> down=donw

18:49 <MTughan> lol

18:50 <Crewsr3> Romulus, you know I might make a career change now that I know what Crewsr could stand for

18:50 <Romulus> Crewsr3: Are you daft?

18:51 <MTughan> Crewsr3: It's the statistics_*.xml files in /var/lib/boinc-client. Or it should be anyway.

18:51 <Crewsr3> Romulus, I can't say that I am

18:51 <Romulus> Crewsr3: Are you daft?

18:51 <MTughan> xcamel: You really need to add more rebukes.

18:51 <MTughan> &8ball Are you daft, Romulus?

18:51 <Romulus> MTughan: NO.

18:51 <MTughan> rofl

18:52 <Tank_Master> LOL

18:52 <Tank_Master> &8ball Do you make shyt up, Romulus?

18:52 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Come again?

18:52 <Tank_Master> :P

18:55 <Crewsr3> MTughan, Thanks I backed it up and not I'm ready to wip my computer and start over

18:55 <MTughan> The statistics stay online, you just would lose the graphs.

19:01 <Crewsr3> MTughan, True, I just want my graph and from what you told me about the stats file I should be able to restore it post clean install

19:05 <Crewsr3> wish me luck everyone and see you on the other side

19:05 <Tank_Master> hf

19:05 <MTughan> Hehe. Seeya.

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19:07 <xcamel> if we see you on the other side, we just flip you back over.

19:08 <MTughan> Like a bit?

19:09 <Tank_Master> someone flipped a bit?

19:09 <xcamel> no, like an ugly chick.

19:15 <MTughan> Tank_Master: You probably flipped multiple bits on many machines when you said that.

19:21 <Tank_Master> probably

19:26 <xcamel> needs to rebootz fer updatz

19:26 <xcamel> brb

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19:26 <MTughan> I need something to kick MW's ass with...

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19:32 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

19:32 <xcamel> there, that's a bit better..

19:32 <MTughan> I keep getting this when trying to get work for the new application: Mon 24 Nov 19:32:14 2008|Milkyway@home|Message from server: No work sent

19:32 <xcamel> mucho updato

19:32 <MTughan> To top it off, it's coloured in red... >_>

19:33 <Tank_Master> good red or bad red?

19:34 <MTughan> Is there any other?

19:34 <MTughan> Mon 24 Nov 19:32:14 2008|Milkyway@home|Message from server: No work sent

19:34 <MTughan> Any better?

19:34 <Tank_Master> nuteral red

19:34 <Tank_Master> thats more orenge

19:35 <MTughan> FF0000 colors, which is pure red.

19:36 <Tank_Master> came through as color  04

19:36 <MTughan> Looks red here.

19:39 <xcamel> another new ver of the project out - 0.4

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19:39 <xcamel> it does not state if there is any work for the beta code.

19:39 <MTughan> xcamel: Where?

19:39 <Romulus> I guess xcamel: Where are you trying to go, MTughan

19:40 <xcamel> on the mw website

19:40 <xcamel> main page

19:40 <MTughan> F off Rommie.

19:40 <MTughan> Latest I see on the forums is 0.3. Hold on a sec...

19:40 <MTughan> I just see 0.3

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19:48 <efc> Moo

19:48 <Tank_Master> howdy efc

19:48 <xcamel> 'lo e

19:49 <MTughan> Anyone know what the task duration factor is?

19:51 <xcamel> I'm still using astronomy_1.22

19:51 <xcamel> or seem to be

19:52 <xcamel> sorry - it was 0.3

19:52 <MTughan> astronomy is the old app.

19:58 <xcamel> no readme on how to make it

19:58 <xcamel> kinda sucks

19:58 <MTughan> bin/make.linux or bin/make.osx

19:59 <MTughan> Targets app_i686 or app_x86_64 for Linux, app_ppc app_i386 or app_x86_64 for Mac.

20:01 <xcamel> nope - can't find anything

20:01 <xcamel> wonder what compiler he used

20:05 <xcamel> weird

20:05 <MTughan> xcamel: "make -f make.linux app_i686" or something of the sort.

20:05 <Soul_keeper> it seems i spend my afternoons cussing at teenagers in video games ...

20:06 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:06 <Tank_Master> playing what?

20:07 <Soul_keeper> i only play   ut and wesnoth

20:07 <Tank_Master> UT or UT3?

20:07 <Soul_keeper> the wesnoth crowd tends to be in HS and only half of them speak english

20:07 <Tank_Master> or one of the other great ones?

20:07 <Soul_keeper> UT original

20:07 <Tank_Master> ahh

20:07 <Tank_Master> nice

20:07 <Soul_keeper> never got into the new ones

20:07 <Tank_Master> I like UT3

20:08 <Soul_keeper> they never gave me my linux client for UT3

20:08 <Soul_keeper> i bought the game the day it came out on that promise

20:08 <Tank_Master> though U2 was probably the bect in termans of fun to play

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20:08 <Tank_Master> theres a server client I hear for linux

20:09 <Soul_keeper> some peice of software they license from some other company prevents them from making the linux client legally i guess

20:09 <Tank_Master> huh

20:09 <Tank_Master> that sucks

20:09 <Soul_keeper> yeah server works

20:09 <Tank_Master> nuttin like cutting out some of your potential buyers

20:09 <Soul_keeper> well they already took my money, guess i'm a sucker

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20:10 <Tank_Master> povy!

20:10 <Soul_keeper> quake4 has impressive graphics in linux tho

20:10 <Soul_keeper> doom3 as well

20:10 <Tank_Master> yeah

20:10 <Tank_Master> they arent bad

20:10 <Soul_keeper> i bought those just to look at the graphics :)

20:10 <Tank_Master> hehe

20:11 <Tank_Master> played doom 3 on my comp

20:11 <Tank_Master> havent recently though

20:11 <xcamel> looking at the makefile and the forum - it's a bit rough yet.

20:11 <Soul_keeper>

20:11 <Romulus> <> (at

20:11 <MTughan> That's what I said...

20:11 <Soul_keeper> took that last year i guess

20:12 <Tank_Master> winder if itll look different now with my DX9 card

20:12 <PovAddict> hey

20:12 <PovAddict> 'sup

20:12 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Looks nice...

20:12 <Tank_Master> I thin I had a geforce 6800 when I tried playing doom3 last

20:12 <MTughan> Linux or Windows?

20:12 <Tank_Master> SK uses linux

20:13 <Soul_keeper> yeah i shot that dude in the face and stole his stuff

20:13 <MTughan> Cool...

20:13 <xcamel> that's 'abuses' to you...

20:13 <MTughan> lol

20:13 <MTughan> My roommate and I have been playing quite a bit of Rainbow Six Vegas 2  over the past few days. :P

20:14 <Tank_Master> nice

20:14 <Tank_Master> how is it?

20:14 <MTughan> Xbox 360 on a 19" 1440x900 LCD monitor.

20:14 <xcamel> hmmm.. snowing

20:14 <MTughan> Basically as good as the screenshot from SK.

20:14 <xcamel>

20:14 <MTughan> SK: What, no antialiasing? :P

20:14 <PovAddict> &wx eze

20:14 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM ARST; Overcast. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:80 F. / 27 C.; Overcast. High:95 F. / 35 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:82 F. / 28 C.; Overcast. High:87 F. / 31 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:75 F. / 24 C.;

20:15 <PovAddict> cold llamas?

20:15 <xcamel> llamas are never cold.

20:15 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: What, no antialiasing? :P

20:15 <PovAddict> they are, they don't feel it :P

20:16 <Soul_keeper> i can't remember, i've gotten a new video card since then :)

20:16 <MTughan> What one?

20:16 <Romulus> hmm... What one are you trying, MTughan

20:16 <MTughan> Grr...

20:16 <Soul_keeper> radeon 3870   now

20:16 * Tank_Master sends 3863 lampfishes after Romulus

20:16 <Soul_keeper> used to have a geforce 6800XT

20:16 <MTughan> Nice.

20:16 <MTughan> When did you get it?

20:17 <Soul_keeper> probably 8 months ago

20:18 <Soul_keeper> lol

20:18 <MTughan> Just asking because the 4800 series cards have been out for a while, and as I know, have much better performance than the 3000 series.

20:18 <Soul_keeper> right before they came out with the 4870

20:18 <MTughan> lol

20:18 <Tank_Master> ouch

20:18 <Soul_keeper> still plenty more than i need tho

20:18 <Soul_keeper> i don't regret it

20:18 <MTughan> I have a 3470... I don't know if it's driver issues or bad cooling or something else, but I keep having GPU crashes on my laptop... :(

20:19 <MTughan> When playing games that is. Not in normal use.

20:19 <Soul_keeper> the latest drivers i've found to be unstable

20:19 <MTughan> What version? Latest are 8.11.

20:19 <Soul_keeper> i tryed them and got lockups, reverted back and no problems

20:19 <Soul_keeper> lemme check

20:21 <Soul_keeper> OpenGL version string: 2.1.7659 Release

20:22 <PovAddict> I think that's the OpenGL version supported...

20:22 <Soul_keeper> appears i got version 8.6

20:22 <Soul_keeper>

20:22 <MTughan> That was probably released in June.

20:22 <Soul_keeper>   this version was unstable for me

20:23 <MTughan> That was August.

20:25 <Soul_keeper>   ok ic, appears they've been busy

20:25 <Romulus> <> (at

20:28 <Soul_keeper> the version i have is so stable i can play games for hours everyday, and not reboot or have a crash for months

20:28 <Soul_keeper> but still tempting to upgrade ...

20:29 <MTughan> Desktop or laptop?

20:29 <Soul_keeper> desktop

20:29 <MTughan> That could make a difference too. Because the laptop won't have as good cooling on the GPU.

20:29 <Soul_keeper>

20:29 <Romulus> <> (at

20:29 <Soul_keeper> yeah i just gotta make sure not to let the dust buildup :)

20:30 <MTughan> Ooh, Saitek keyboard...

20:30 <MTughan> And what, a Razer mouse? Can't tell what model...

20:31 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah i got the same keyboard as xcamel

20:31 <Soul_keeper> copperhead mouse

20:31 <MTughan> Nice. I guess you built the case yourself. :P

20:32 <Soul_keeper> part of it

20:32 <Soul_keeper> had to modify it to fit the components

20:32 <Soul_keeper> the box on the top above the fan i had to build

20:33 <MTughan> Heh, because of the Thermalright cooler.

20:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah

20:33 <MTughan> What model is that again? The XE-120?

20:33 <Soul_keeper> thermalright coolers are the best so it was worth it

20:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah something like that

20:34 <MTughan> I've never actually used a Thermalright cooler because I can't really get them. I've been happy with my Zalman 9500 though.

20:34 <Soul_keeper> i got one of those on a server, pretty nice

20:34 <Soul_keeper> real quiet

20:35 <MTughan> Looking at the 9700 for a new machine. Ups the 92mm fan to a 110mm.

20:35 <MTughan> Also adds another 200g to the total weight, but it's probably worth it. IIRC, it almost doubles the surface area.

20:36 <MTughan> Anyway, I see the TI-83+ on another picture. As if that's as cool as the computer, but anyway... :P

20:37 <Soul_keeper> lol

20:38 <granpa_paul> the core contact coolers from sunbeam and xigmatik are very effective

20:39 <granpa_paul> a notch or two above the Ultra 120 extreme, cheaper and come with a fan

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20:40 <granpa_paul> thermalright has issues with warped cpu mating surfaces also

20:41 <MTughan> What I really hate is Thermaltake. Why do they have to name the company almost exactly the same way as another one? Better still, their products are often quite inferior.

20:41 <granpa_paul> yep

20:42 <granpa_paul> the zalman 9700 is pretty effective with the larger fan and fins as noted

20:42 <MTughan> I haven't tried the 9700, but I've been pleased with my 9500. Keeps my P4 at full load under 65C.

20:42 <granpa_paul> i used one in a modded shoebox case with a q6600 @3600mhz

20:43 <MTughan> A modded shoebox case? Like a case made from a shoebox?

20:43 <granpa_paul> umm, those square mATX cases

20:43 <granpa_paul> i call them shoebox

20:43 <MTughan> Oh, those... Interesting name. :P

20:43 <granpa_paul> i forget what the common term is

20:44 <MTughan> Well, I'll bbl

20:44 <granpa_paul> hey i'm old, i get some slack :p

20:45 <Soul_keeper>   geeze my house was so much cleaner when i first moved in about a year ago ...

20:45 <Romulus> <> (at

20:46 <granpa_paul> fan was cleaner too i bet

20:46 <granpa_paul> :=)

20:47 <granpa_paul>

20:47 <Romulus> <> (at

20:48 <granpa_paul> that's the htpc box i made up a while back with the 9700

20:49 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, found a pic of my zalman  does it look like a 9500 ?

20:49 <Romulus> <> (at

20:50 <Soul_keeper> lol yeah they are shoe boxes :)

20:51 <granpa_paul> hatbox! that's the name!

20:51 <granpa_paul> i forgot...

21:23 <xcamel> ah.. switched to rain now..

21:24 <efc> &wx 31088

21:24 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 54F / 12C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Decreasing clouds. Showers likely in the evening. Lows in the lower 40s. West winds 5 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tuesday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the lower 60s. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph.; Tuesday (1 more message)

21:24 <xcamel> -ish

21:31 <MTughan> Sorry Soul_keeper, I was gone for a bit.

21:32 <MTughan> Yep, that's a Zalman 9000 series cooler. I can't tell whether it's the 9500 or 9700.

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21:55 <xcamel> laterz..

21:56 <MTughan> Bye Jay.

22:16 <Soul_keeper>

22:17 * MTughan rolls his eyes

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