IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2008-11-27

00:00 <efc> I bought two bags!

00:02 <MTughan> We have about a third of a 1.36kg bag left.

00:02 <MTughan> &math convert 1.36 kg to lb

00:02 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.99828676571

00:02 * wdsmia hasnt had a marshmellow in the last 10 years

00:04 <Tidus> MTughan: did you get my email?

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00:13 <Soul_keeper> bush loves you !

00:15 <efc> He's not going to leave O'bama any money by Jan 20 hehe

00:15 <Soul_keeper> obama don't care

00:16 <Soul_keeper> he's already got plans to take out more money than the war cost over the last 5yrs

00:16 <Soul_keeper> debt ...

00:16 <Soul_keeper> gonna pump it into subsidies and government programs

00:16 <Soul_keeper> went from the frying pan into the fire it seems

00:16 <Soul_keeper> government spending gone awry

00:17 <efc> I guess i'd rather see it go to civil projects than to banks that just hoard it

00:17 <efc> but can't afford either

00:17 <Soul_keeper> yeah they need to listen to ron paul

00:17 <efc> I need to dump my dollars

00:17 <efc> Invest in i7s?

00:18 <Soul_keeper> need to right now ?

00:18 <Soul_keeper> can't wait till spring ?

00:18 <efc> Depends, will the dollar exist in spring? Probably.

00:18 <Soul_keeper> i'm not a fan of the i7

00:19 <Soul_keeper> HT and higher latencies  kinda make it less appealing

00:19 <efc> expensive platform

00:19 <Soul_keeper> dunno about  boinc points  per dollar tho,  i've not been keeping up on the benchmarks

00:20 <efc> But 6 memory slots is a plus, have not seen that in a while

00:20 <Soul_keeper> daneb  will be interesting

00:20 <efc> Can't see the HT as much of a downside.. can turn it off

00:20 <Soul_keeper> then you'd lose 40% performance or whatever

00:21 <efc> Then turn it on? Whats the problem?

00:21 <Soul_keeper> it's just HT, i don't agree with the whole idea

00:21 <Soul_keeper> not that it's not going to give them an upper hand, just i don't think it's a good direction

00:22 <efc> I thought it was stupid, but it seems to be helping my s@h output a bunch

00:22 <efc> sun had something similar for years i think.. hardware contexts

00:22 <Soul_keeper> you got an i7 ?

00:22 <efc> no, p4

00:22 <Soul_keeper> ahh

00:23 <efc> i have two p4's 2.8 ghz, one with HT, and one w/o

00:23 <Soul_keeper> true cores kill HT anyday,  i don't see AMD releasing an 8 core anytime soon tho

00:23 <Soul_keeper> you can have my 2.8 P4 ...

00:23 <efc> w/o has 1.378 gflops atm,  with HT has 1.2 x 2 gflops

00:24 <Soul_keeper> i cracked the NB on the motherboard

00:24 <Soul_keeper> ha

00:27 <efc> Whats NB?

00:27 <Soul_keeper> north bridge

00:27 <Soul_keeper> might have burnt it up, havn't had the care to investigate more

00:28 <efc> Oh, the bad kind of cracked

00:28 <Soul_keeper> but it stopped working right after reseating the NB heatsink

00:28 <Soul_keeper> cpu/mem should still be good tho

00:28 <Soul_keeper> it wasn't worth the energy to run it anyways

00:29 <efc> My poor 386 is toast :( Hacks me off.

00:30 <Soul_keeper> i've broke so much hardware over the years, hard to even think about it ...

00:30 <Soul_keeper> i like breaking things i guess

00:31 <efc> this one.. the battery leaked acid a little bit. But it ate traces all over the place

00:31 <Soul_keeper> nice one

00:33 <efc> I thought about fixing it but not realistic

00:33 <efc> I think it would have lasted forever. TTL chips on the board, un-killable.

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00:55 <Soul_keeper> i need a pin diagram for a 30 pin slot connector for a laptop lcd

00:56 <Tidus> what brand laptop?

00:56 <Soul_keeper> lemme check

00:59 <Soul_keeper> sager 5600n

01:00 <Soul_keeper> i want to convert the 30 pin proprietary connector to a 15pin vga or dvi connector so i can use it as a second screen for my desktop

01:00 <Soul_keeper> just took the screen appart examining it now

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01:02 <Tidus> hm... wouldn't know where to find the pinout

01:02 <Tidus> might try finding the technical manual for the machine

01:11 <Soul_keeper> finding nothing, might have to GUESS ...

01:12 <Soul_keeper> i've never been able to find diagrams or blue sheets for this thing, probably why it's been in peices for several years

01:15 <Tidus> if it's 30 pin, it's probably some mangled form of dvi

01:15 <Tidus> 26 pins plus power ?

01:15 <Tidus> i think my HP lcd has the same stinkin connector

01:25 <MTughan> Tidus: Yes, I did. I don't think I'm interested anymore then.

01:27 <Soul_keeper> maybe

01:31 <Soul_keeper> i got it down to the ICs and pcb now,  got any number i need, i'll figure it out if i don't give up

01:33 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/digcam23/IMG_0412.JPG

01:33 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6959jb> (at sterlingdesktops.com)

01:36 <Soul_keeper> "Engineering Specification Type 15.0 UXGA Color TFT/LCD Module ..."   i'm onto them now

01:43 <Soul_keeper> got exactely what i need

01:44 <Soul_keeper> http://www.gblcd.com/datacenter/idtech/ITUX97C.pdf  contains the interface signal connector pin out,  just gotta match it up with the standard DVI/vga pin order

01:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5pcbu8> (at www.gblcd.com)

01:46 <Soul_keeper> can't believe i found that specs sheet :)

01:46 <Soul_keeper> was 32 pins, my eyes are shotty

01:48 <CoderForLife> congrats Soul_keeper

01:48 <CoderForLife> I am continually amazed what you can find online

01:52 <Soul_keeper> will take me some time to figure out moer specifics tho, nothing wiki doesn't seem to have for the acronyms :)

01:55 <Soul_keeper> 18 instances of these ReIN0-/+ ReIN1-/+ ReIN2-/+  ReCLKIN-/+ RoCLKIN-/+   seem to match up with the 18 instances of DVI-I TMDS Data1-/+ Data2-/+   format

02:03 <Soul_keeper> appears to be a matter of LVDS vs. TMDS   gotta verify that they are compatible and not just "similar"

02:26 <Soul_keeper> it won't be a simple conversion

02:26 <Soul_keeper> one is a 3.3v system the other a 5v system apparently ...

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06:42 <CoderForLife> Happy Thanksgiving Day\

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06:45 <CoderForLife> Happy Thanksgiving Day

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06:52 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

07:05 <CoderForLife> b

07:11 <CoderForLife> in a world of LEDs, why should traffic lights remain round? http://dvice.com/archives/2008/11/square_traffic.php?p=0&cat=undefined#

07:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/55wt6e> (at dvice.com)

07:17 <CoderForLife> I guess I'll offer that as the Question of the Day  =)

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07:35 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

07:35 <CoderForLife> Happy Thanksgiving Day

07:41 <KathrynM> Happy Thanksgiving to you too

07:41 <CoderForLife> thanks!

07:41 <KathrynM> Turkey in the oven?

07:42 <CoderForLife> It's a small one - I think it's just *near* the oven, ATM

07:42 <KathrynM> :)

07:42 <KathrynM> My parents' idea of a small turkey was 20 pounds

07:43 <KathrynM> They would seriously dig through the bin at the store to find the biggest one possible.

07:43 <CoderForLife> the goal?

07:43 <KathrynM> who knows.

07:43 <KathrynM> we ate turkey forever and a day

07:43 <CoderForLife> "to find the biggest one possible"?

07:44 <KathrynM> that too

07:46 <CoderForLife> LOL

07:47 <CoderForLife> http://dvice.com/archives/2008/08/dvice_tv_watch.php

07:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/574scu> (at dvice.com)

07:47 <CoderForLife> I'm shopping, and ran across that =)

07:56 <KathrynM> *sigh*

07:56 <KathrynM> I'm assuming there was supposed to be sound with that.

07:56 <KathrynM> my cleaning lady came today.  she knocked the plug for my laptop out of the power converter.  no power = shutdown.

07:56 <KathrynM> now no sound :/

07:56 <KathrynM> bugger

08:02 <KathrynM> gonna reboot and see if that fixes it.

08:02 <KathrynM> I know I know.  Windows troubleshooting, but it's late and I'm tired.

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08:07 <KathrynM> *sigh*

08:07 <KathrynM> no luck

08:07 <KathrynM> I'll worry about it this weekend.

08:14 <xcamel> ',ornin

08:15 <xcamel> 'Happy Turkey'

08:20 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:20 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 31.7F / -0.2C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 40. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - A chance of snow showers in the morning. Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain (1 more message)

08:20 <xcamel> &more

08:20 <Romulus> xcamel: showers. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southwest in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 40 percent.;

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08:57 <xcamel> goofy connection?

08:58 <PovAdct_w2> didn't even notice...

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09:16 <xcamel> really funny...

09:16 <xcamel> http://www.northstarwriters.com/dfk163.htm

09:16 <Romulus> Title: North Star Writers Group - Syndicated Commentary: Opinion, Humor and Features (at www.northstarwriters.com)

09:21 <xcamel> must be the weather... my brain feels like it imploded.

09:27 <PovAdct_w> &wx eze

09:27 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: Temperature: 86°F / 30°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM ARST; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:73 F. / 23 C.; Chance of Rain. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Chance of Rain. (1 more message)

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09:33 <CoderForLife> back

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09:33 <xcamel> wb

09:33 <CoderForLife> morning xcamel PovAdct_w

09:33 <CoderForLife> Happy Thanksgiving Day

09:34 <xcamel> soon as my brain returns to normal size

09:35 <CoderForLife> you have encephalus-swellus?

09:35 <xcamel> angry sinuses

09:36 <CoderForLife> sinusus-snafu-us

09:36 <xcamel> close enough

09:37 <CoderForLife> sorry about that - Happt TD none the less

09:37 <CoderForLife> er Happy

09:37 <xcamel> I've noticed the cable connection keeps my firewall very, very busy,

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09:38 <xcamel> and I finally got a non-fubar digital cable box for hd programming.

09:38 <CoderForLife> You're probably on a shared segment, rather than switched

09:39 <xcamel> rrbc is a dedicated segment - only one other low bandwidth user on my link, iirc.

09:39 <CoderForLife> you'll see traffic from others on your segment, in addition to broadcast traffic (and I don't mean TV)

09:39 <PovAdct_w> see traffic from others on the segment? isn't that bad for... privacy?

09:40 <CoderForLife> ah, that's right, business connection - sorry

09:40 <CoderForLife> that's why they make encryption

09:40 <CoderForLife> see the traffic, not the contents

09:41 <PovAdct_w> ah...

09:41 <CoderForLife> I'm not sure what I can learn from seeing you get an IP packet

09:42 <CoderForLife> I can learn source and destination

09:42 <CoderForLife> protocol

09:43 <CoderForLife> well - back to cleaning

09:43 <CoderForLife> again Happy TD - bbl

09:43 <FreeLarry58> scrub that turkey

09:44 <xcamel> 'lo Larry

09:44 <FreeLarry58> lo jay

09:44 <xcamel> Happy Turkey

09:45 <FreeLarry58> looks and sees ham but no bird

09:46 <PovAdct_w> I don't think the turkey is happy :P

09:47 <xcamel> your ham flipped you the bird?

09:50 <FreeLarry58> something like that

09:50 <FreeLarry58> gathring at sons house today

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09:52 <xcamel> My toms have been staring at the house all morning...

09:52 <FreeLarry58> dropping head feathers?

09:52 <xcamel> I think they're hungry..

09:53 <FreeLarry58> ooohhh canables

10:06 <PovAdct_w> o_O?

10:06 <Romulus> It has been said that o_O is ~450MB total, PovAdct_w

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12:01 <xcamel> back again

12:03 <MTughan> Some really weird chat in here while I'm in class?

12:05 <xcamel> not really

12:05 <MTughan> I wasn't really asking, that was a statement more.

12:05 <xcamel> we're mostly all on holiday...

12:05 <MTughan> 'lo Jay BTW

12:05 <MTughan> I know.

12:07 <MTughan> &explosm rofl

12:07 <Romulus> http://www.explosm.net/comics/

12:10 <quail> 'evening all

12:10 <MTughan> 'lo quail

12:10 <quail> how are we all?

12:11 <MTughan> I start exams next week.

12:11 <quail> gl ;-)

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12:16 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo[RKN]

12:17 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:17 <yoyo[RKN]> think i need some help from a boinc server guru

12:17 <yoyo[RKN]> have a spammer on board

12:18 <yoyo[RKN]> what are the ways a boinc account can be created? webinterface, boinc, bam, are there more?

12:19 <MTughan> Not that I know of.

12:29 <yoyo[RKN]> he came from there 82.103.132.52

12:29 <MTughan> In Denmark.

12:33 <yoyo[RKN]> what das the "ru" at the end mean

12:33 <yoyo[RKN]> "Opera/9.50 (Windows NT 5.1; U; ru)"

12:33 <yoyo[RKN]> a russian version

12:33 <MTughan> Probably.

12:34 <MTughan> Yep, that's the language.

12:38 <yoyo[RKN]> this seems to be the sequence

12:38 <yoyo[RKN]> http://pastebin.ca/1268758

12:38 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Something - post number 1268758 (at pastebin.ca)

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12:39 <MTughan> Uses Opera to create and save profile, then views it in IE7?

12:40 <yoyo[RKN]> but my create_account_form.php does not work, it just makes sleep(120);exit(1);

12:41 <MTughan> You just disabled it, or it was disabled before?

12:41 <yoyo[RKN]> disabled since weeks

12:42 <yoyo[RKN]> as there was a spammer creating 10.000 accounts

12:43 <yoyo[RKN]> I see, create_account_form is only the formular which afterwards calls create_account action

12:43 <MTughan> I suppose if he knew the right arguments, he could force a POST to it.

12:43 <MTughan> Did you block GET or just POST?

12:43 <MTughan> That was badly worded... Other way around.

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]>     <form action=create_account_action.php method=post>

12:44 <MTughan> BTW, if you see any requests coming to those pages from 134.117.165.42, that's me.

12:44 <yoyo[RKN]> now?

12:44 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm probing around a bit.

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12:45 <MTughan> 'lo PovAddict

12:45 <MTughan> PovAdct_w*

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12:45 <PovAdct_w> &urlquote :hi

12:45 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: %3Ahi

12:45 <PovAdct_w> er

12:45 <PovAdct_w> hi

12:45 <MTughan> lol

12:45 <PovAdct_w> and separately

12:45 <yoyo[RKN]> I do not look in it, I just extracted the stuff from 27. to an extra file

12:45 <PovAdct_w> &urlquote :

12:45 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: %3A

12:45 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: All right.

12:45 <MTughan> yoyo's getting spammed from the web form, which he says he disabled.

12:46 <PovAdct_w> what web form?

12:46 <MTughan> create_account_form.php

12:46 <yoyo[RKN]> create_account_form.php

12:46 <PovAdct_w> disabling the form doesn't help if you can still access create_account_action.php (which is the URL the form sends data to)

12:46 <yoyo[RKN]> http://pastebin.ca/1268758

12:46 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Something - post number 1268758 (at pastebin.ca)

12:46 <PovAdct_w> they could be POSTing manually to the _action.php page

12:47 <yoyo[RKN]> is the action page also used by Boincmanager and BAM?

12:47 <PovAdct_w> uh o_O

12:47 <PovAdct_w> no, the manager uses create_account.php

12:48 <MTughan> Yep, GET to that page doesn't work...

12:48 <MTughan> GET to create_account_action.php with args.

12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> I think he uses Opera which provides more support to simulate a post request

12:49 <PovAdct_w> or a script that can do whatever and give a fake user agent and/or referer

12:49 <yoyo[RKN]> he is just playing, only 5 accounts are created per day

12:49 <PovAdct_w> hmm then it's probably manual

12:49 <PovAdct_w> what did you do to the form?

12:50 <yoyo[RKN]> sleep(120);exit(1);

12:50 <MTughan> "but my create_account_form.php does not work, it just makes sleep(120);exit(1);"

12:50 <MTughan> That.

12:50 <yoyo[RKN]> some weeks ago a spammer created 10.000 accounts

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> adHoc I removed the php script

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> but than faulty request were hammering my server

12:51 <yoyo[RKN]> so I inserted the sleep

12:51 <MTughan> I've gotta go to class... I'll check in later.

12:52 <CoderForLife> hf

12:59 <yoyo[RKN]> so I disabled the action php also

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13:18 <MTughan> Gah!! Class cancelled, announced over email! Which has been down since the weekend!

13:19 <KathrynM> heh.  Sounds like something my uni would have done.

13:19 <KathrynM> ah yes, the good old days....

13:19 <KathrynM> dial up.

13:19 <KathrynM> text only email

13:19 <KathrynM> dummy terminals to read email

13:19 <MTughan> This is text-only. Problem is they updated the software, creating a new subdomain for it. And forgot to get new security certs.

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13:21 <KathrynM> down a full week and they haven't fixed it yet?

13:21 <MTughan> Anyway, so the security certs were being returned on the secure connection of the new domain, but they were only signed for the old domain.

13:22 <MTughan> Oh, they have the web interface up. But SSL IMAP and POP have been down for a week now.

13:22 <MTughan> And the web interface sucks.

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13:22 <KathrynM> darn mosquitoes!

13:23 <KathrynM> die already

13:23 <MTughan> lol...

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13:23 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

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13:23 <MTughan> Yeow...

13:24 <MTughan> 6C and the mosquitos are biting...

13:24 <KathrynM> yup

13:24 <KathrynM> and I'm itching

13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx berlin, germany

13:24 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 42.4°F / 5.8°C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.02in / 1016.5hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 10.0mph / 16.1km/h | Updated: 7:13 PM CET; Overcast. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:37 F. / 3 C.; Clear. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:32 F. / 0 C.; Chance of Rain. High:35 F. / 2 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 F. / -1 (1 more message)

13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> somebody interested in a cuda client

13:25 <MTughan> I will be after I get my new computer... Should be about a month and a half.

13:25 <MTughan> The only ones I know with CUDA clients right now are Tank_Master and zombie67 (I think).

13:26 <yoyo[RKN]> dnet has a prerelease cuda client, but only for RC5

13:26 <MTughan> I believe KathrynM's been running 6.3.x clients (or 6.4.x now), but no CUDA support. Right?

13:26 <KathrynM> nope.  older laptops forme

13:26 <KathrynM> for me

13:35 <MTughan> KathrynM: I don't know, you still have a higher RAC than I do.

13:37 <MTughan> Although it looks like my new laptop does take over the 2GHz C2D you have.

13:41 <KathrynM> got one comp at work crunching

13:41 <KathrynM> a dual core amd

13:41 <KathrynM> And ABC pays well on 64 bit

13:41 <MTughan> Doesn't seem to be doing much work though.

13:41 <MTughan> Yeah, I'm running ABC on that one.

13:42 <KathrynM> only on during work hours

13:42 <MTughan> Hmm... I have 13,000 credits I can't account for by adding up the credit totals from my various "computers".

13:43 <MTughan> According to BOINCStats, you have three active computers: a T7250 @ 2GHz running Linux, a T2300 @ 1.66GHz running Linux, and the AMD 64 X2 4200+ running XP.

13:44 <KathrynM> yup

13:44 <MTughan> I only have two computers running: a T9400 @ 2.53GHz running Linux, and a 1500 @ 2GHz running OS X.

13:44 <MTughan> I have no idea what 1500 means... I know it's a Core Duo, Yonah core.

13:45 <KathrynM> simial to my T2300

13:45 <KathrynM> it's also a yonah core

13:45 <MTughan> All right, cool. I can't really give you accurate statistics on that one though...

13:46 <MTughan> Recently had an ID split, probably from attaching to BAM. Credit/day is 17,000, credit/week is 67,000. xD

13:46 <KathrynM> nice

13:46 <MTughan> Looks like it got about 1000 credits yesterday though. Crunching Einstein and Milkway.

13:46 <MTughan> Milkyway*

13:48 * KathrynM heads back to bed to toss and turn

13:48 <MTughan> Heh. Night.

13:49 <wdsmia> &wx 50265

13:49 <MTughan> Don't let the bed bugs bite. Or the mosquitos. :P

13:49 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 42.1F / 5.6C | Humidity: 48% | Pressure: 32.08in / 1086.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 8.7mph / 14.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. High in the upper 40s. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny. High in the upper 40s. West wind 5 to 10 mph.;

13:59 <xcamel_> damn that was good eats

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14:06 <quail> I hate bind9

14:08 <quail> 'morning all

14:09 * quail thinks it time for another coffee and while making think how I stuffed up bind

14:13 <MTughan> brb

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14:17 <quail> wb MTughan

14:17 <MTughan> IRC client's memory leak was getting out of control. So I flushed it out.

14:20 <xcamel> 'lo Q

14:21 <MTughan> All right, more classes... Should be back in 2.5 hours, at latest.

14:21 <xcamel> there - final optical connect to the dvd player - all is right with the world.

14:22 <xcamel> now the daughter unit is happy

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14:27 <efc> Gobble

14:29 <xcamel> belch

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14:35 <yoyo[RKN]> is there a description how boinc in the standard debian package is working?

14:44 <xcamel> not that I have seen anywhere..

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14:56 <quail> ay xcamel :-)

14:57 * quail got bind to play nice :-)

14:57 <quail> and it working in conjunction with dhcp server :-)

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15:26 <PovAddict> paraphrasing Murphy; if something can get worse, it will...

15:26 <PovAddict> &wx eze

15:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 93°F / 34°C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM ARST; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:78 F. / 26 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F. / 32 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:73 F. / 23 C.; Chance of Rain. High:80 F. / 27 C.; Chance of (1 more message)

15:27 <PovAddict> TV says feels like 40.1C

15:29 * CoderForLife peeks in

15:30 <CoderForLife> &seen TheGasGiant

15:30 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 5 weeks, 4 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: * TheGasGiant sneaks in

15:30 <CoderForLife> about time for Paul to show up again

15:34 <yoyo[RKN]> have a boinc user with an problem in ICQ

15:35 <yoyo[RKN]> boinc 6.2.x, debian

15:35 <yoyo[RKN]> boinc runs, boinc_cmd gets a connection with boinc and dislays --get_state output

15:35 <yoyo[RKN]> but boincmanager does not get a connection

15:39 <quail> CoderForLife: 'morning mate, how are you?

15:39 <CoderForLife> fine quail - Happy Thanksgiving Day

15:42 <quail> CoderForLife: ditto to you :-)

15:43 * quail thinks got bind9 and dhcp3-server finally working nicely together :-)

15:43 <CoderForLife> congrats

15:43 <CoderForLife> bbiab

15:45 <quail> k

16:06 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: boinccmd works and manager doesn't? now that's weird

16:07 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

16:07 <yoyo[RKN]> but this is this mysterious debian package

16:07 <PovAddict> heck at least it *works*

16:08 <PovAddict> boinc debian packages on x86_64 machines seem to have a platform name of ""

16:08 <PovAddict> getting work from no projects

16:09 <PovAddict> my free Ubuntu CD arrived :P

16:10 <PovAddict> I ordered it long ago; it took longer than usual because 8.10 had just come out

16:10 <PovAddict> so it's the time they take to start making CDs with the new data, cover, etc. plus them getting a peak of orders

16:12 * PovAddict turns BOINC off

16:13 <PovAddict> hot weather, low voltage, TV said historical record of power consumption today (country-wide)

16:14 <xcamel> re back again

16:14 <xcamel> got some fence fixin done

16:14 <PovAddict> traffic lights are off in some areas, and this is rush hour (everyone getting back from w$%&)

16:14 <PovAddict> just great

16:16 <xcamel> life in the 3rd world..

16:16 <PovAddict> govt is making sure we don't get off that rank

16:17 <CoderForLife> it's a global race to the bottom - you're winning, PovAddict

16:18 <PovAddict> I wouldn't say we're winning in a race to the *bottom*

16:18 <PovAddict> but yeah we're far from the top :P

16:18 <CoderForLife> but Iran has a plan to make it to the Stone Age in one step

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16:34 <xcamel> 'lo Don

16:36 <CoderForLife> hey folks

16:37 <CoderForLife> bbl

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17:10 <xcamel> yummy coffee

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17:12 <CoderForLife> back for a millibit

17:13 <MTughan> What's a millibit? 0.5? :P

17:13 <CoderForLife> fractional bit - more than a microbit

17:33 <xcamel> millifribbit

17:33 <MTughan> Awesome... Secure connections on the email are back up.

17:33 <CoderForLife> that's slightly longer

17:33 <xcamel> sound made by a nanofrog

17:33 <MTughan> How does a picobit compare?

17:33 <CoderForLife> fribbits are green

17:33 <CoderForLife> bits are blue

17:34 <MTughan> KathrynM's being attacked by mosquitoes.

17:34 <xcamel> boy is my 'escape artist' llama pissed

17:34 <CoderForLife> that's a Kathrynbit

17:34 <MTughan> You fooled his escape plan?

17:34 <xcamel> foiled even

17:34 <MTughan> lol

17:34 <xcamel> serious fence tightening

17:35 <CoderForLife> the llama intelligence test

17:35 <xcamel> and the electric fencer is back on

17:35 * CoderForLife remembers "Flowers for Algernon"

17:35 <xcamel> seems the 'magic apple tree' would pull him right through the fence

17:36 <xcamel> now the shock will kick him right back

17:36 <xcamel> loved that book - but it was oooh soooo long ago

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17:37 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_for_Algernon

17:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2yq44b> (at en.wikipedia.org)

17:37 <CoderForLife> movie, too

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17:38 <CoderForLife> "Charly"

17:38 <xcamel> published the year I was born, and I read it when I was 10, I think

17:38 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charly

17:38 <Romulus> Title: Charly - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

17:39 <CoderForLife> I cried when I read it and saw it

17:39 <KathrynM> MTughan, what can I say.  I'm just so sweet, the mosquitoes can't resist me.

17:39 <MTughan> Hmm...

17:39 <MTughan> :P

17:39 <efc> Moo

17:39 <CoderForLife> moo

17:39 <MTughan> 'lo e

17:39 <CoderForLife> hey KathrynM

17:39 * KathrynM yawns

17:40 <KathrynM> how was turkey?

17:40 <MTughan> 20 to 8 there... Early enough for you?

17:40 <CoderForLife> yummy

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17:40 <CoderForLife> need some leftovers?

17:40 <xcamel> K - don't eat bananas

17:40 <KathrynM> I rarely eat them, only when I start getting sponaneous leg cramps at night

17:40 <KathrynM> please send a pumpkin pie or 20 over

17:41 <MTughan> Hungry kids?

17:41 <KathrynM> hungry teachers

17:41 <xcamel> ...or anything with a high potassium level

17:42 <CoderForLife> cya later folks - going downstairs to give the couch a good sitting

17:43 <efc> Potassium can cause cramps? Hmmm. I thought it was lack of it that was a problem.

17:43 <MTughan> Night CFL.

17:43 <xcamel> If I did that I'd be asleep in about 10 flat

17:43 <CoderForLife> laterz

17:43 <MTughan> Or later... Whatever works.

17:43 <PovAddict> efc: uh yes

17:43 <PovAddict> efc: Kathryn said she eats bananas when she has cramps...

17:43 <PovAddict> to stop them... probably

17:43 <efc> Maybe I should knock off the bananas then

17:44 <PovAddict> so yeah lack of it seems like the problem

17:44 <KathrynM> exactly PovAddict

17:44 <KathrynM> I only get them when the cramps start

17:44 <KathrynM> errr buy them

17:44 <PovAddict> to make them stop :)

17:44 <KathrynM> yeah

17:45 * PovAddict would like to tell SETI admins to block IPs from Argentina

17:45 <MTughan> Why?

17:45 <KathrynM> ?????

17:45 <PovAddict> so computers over the country run out of work, stop crunching, and we avoid powercuts...

17:45 <PovAddict> historical power consumption record today

17:46 <MTughan> That would be the A/C.

17:46 <PovAddict> well we can't exactly stop ACs :)

17:47 <PovAddict> and ET-searching computers cause heat, so in theory ACs would run less if computers heat less

17:47 <PovAddict> the real long term solution would be to *generate more damned electricity*

17:47 <MTughan> We have basically the opposite here... 0C and snow.

17:47 <MTughan> &wx YOW

17:48 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries this evening. Periods of snow beginning late this evening. Temperature steady near -1C(30F).; Friday - Periods of snow. Amount 2 cm(0.8 in). High 2C(36F). Friday night (1 more message)

17:48 <PovAddict> govt keeps telling people use less electricity, as if that was *possible*

17:48 <PovAddict> population has grown

17:48 <PovAddict> the number of electricity-eating devices people have has grown

17:48 <efc> Do you have good wind resources there?

17:48 <PovAddict> yet nobody has done any significant investment in generating electricity

17:49 <PovAddict> efc: hell of a lot of wind in the east, hell of a lot of sun in the north, nobody interested in putting money into using that energy though

17:49 <MTughan> It would take that energy off the earth and put it into electricity. Where it gets converted back to heat, so you're basically doing nothing. :P

17:50 <efc> I'm not really a green but if its there, and makes economic sense...

17:50 <KathrynM> speaking of wind...  damn it's windy here

17:50 <PovAddict> you know, better to build a few more fuel-eating thermoelectric plants

17:50 <PovAddict> because fuel comes from oil

17:51 <PovAddict> and oil = good (for political and economic reasons for the people in power)

17:51 <efc> Not sure what the payback is on the modern wind plants..\

17:51 <efc> Better than solar though I think

17:51 <PovAddict> Spain is *full* of them

17:51 <MTughan> Las Vegas is experimenting with solar farms.

17:52 <PovAddict> oh if only heat could be converted to electricity...

17:52 <MTughan> It can. Just needs to be contained to heat water to steam to turn a turbine. That's the hard part. :P

17:52 <PovAddict> trains would be perpetual motion machines... heat from the sweating passengers used to move it

17:53 <MTughan> That is how coal power plants actually work though.

17:53 <xcamel> Spain just hit some record of power supply from solar/wind

17:54 <PovAddict> we're in a stupid timezone because the delusional president thinks DST actually helps

17:54 <xcamel> payback on wind/solar is very poor still

17:55 <PovAddict> yet we still have soccer matches at night... I don't even want to think how much electricity is used by the lighting

17:56 <PovAddict> and that's apparently because having it at night makes economical sense for the broadcasters who put the match on TV

18:10 <xcamel> when they have the most eyeballs

18:25 * xcamel yawns again

18:29 <xcamel> turkey coma - ore something close

18:29 <xcamel> ore?

18:29 <xcamel> sheesh

18:35 <MTughan> xcamel: Now you've gone and made me tired... And I haven't even had any turkey!

18:40 <PovAddict> my intertubes are slow...

18:41 <PovAddict> http://web.archive.org/web/20070703174012/http://orlyowl.com/gobble.jpg

18:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/66jd5m> (at web.archive.org)

18:54 * efc made some code massively faster, that always feels good

18:54 <PovAddict> \o/

18:55 <efc> volumetric search, cut by factor of 1000, and its close enough to right to not matter :)

18:56 <efc> about 4x faster in practice

18:57 <PovAddict> go attack MilkyWay code

18:59 <MTughan> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/download/code_release/

18:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6quybt> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

19:08 <xcamel> efcoder now?

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19:33 <_Danilo_> hi all

19:33 <MTughan> 'lo

19:40 <xcamel> 'lo Dan

20:07 <_Danilo_> http://ati.amd.com/technology/streamcomputing/

20:07 <Romulus> Title: GPU Technology for Accelerated Computing (at ati.amd.com)

20:08 <MTughan> _Danilo_: BOINC will support ATI cards later at current rates, and Artificial Intelligence has announced that they're making a GPU app for ATI cards.

20:09 <_Danilo_> yes, i no

20:10 <MTughan> Hmm... Do you know what Radeon series support that?

20:10 <_Danilo_> Radeon 4000

20:10 <MTughan> Just the 4000 series?

20:11 <_Danilo_> yes

20:11 <MTughan> Nuts... I have a 3470.

20:13 <_Danilo_> oh, i have a i have a radeon 12xx

20:13 <_Danilo_> ops

20:13 <_Danilo_> *i have a radeon 12xx*

20:14 <_Danilo_> (sorry for my incorrect english, i'm italian

20:14 <MTughan> I used to have a Radeon 9600... Gonna probably be replaced over the holidays.

20:14 <_Danilo_> from sicily)

20:14 <MTughan> That's fine, the meaning got across.

20:14 <MTughan> Canada here. I think it might be a little colder here now. :P

20:15 <_Danilo_> i have grandfather in canada

20:15 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, that loner in my chan is lonely again ...

20:16 <MTughan> Where?

20:16 <_Danilo_> and other.., in montreal

20:16 <MTughan> Ah, not too far then. I'm in Ottawa for now.

20:16 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Why you messaging me?

20:16 <_Danilo_> i was there last yaer

20:16 <_Danilo_> :)

20:17 <MTughan> I would have been in Toronto last year, so no way we could've come close. ;)

20:17 <Soul_keeper> take care of it

20:17 <Soul_keeper> he's your friend now ...

20:17 <PovAddict> ...

20:17 <_Danilo_> i was also in Quebec

20:17 <_Danilo_> good Quebec, i love it

20:18 <_Danilo_> fantastic!

20:19 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Meh. I'm watching South Park.

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20:21 <Soul_keeper> i can't stand south park, all those squeaky voices ... a little much for an adult

20:21 <turbolover> Soul_keeper is the same kind of guy that shirked nintendo for being too kiddy and went to sega

20:21 <turbolover> im less of a man if i let myself appreciate certain media

20:21 <Soul_keeper> nah i skipped both of them

20:22 * PovAddict never owned a game console :o

20:22 <turbolover> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133027

20:22 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5wjmfa> (at www.newegg.com)

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21:54 <Soul_keeper> i hope you choke on a turkey !

22:06 <efc> Gobble GobACK>..ACK... kk......

22:33 <Soul_keeper> i've found that snuff is a good food stubstitute lately :)

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23:30 <CodeBlock> hello all

23:31 <MTughan> Hey CodeBlock.

23:31 <CodeBlock> question - is it possible to set up/use boinc to contribute to a project without a GUI on the server it's on? In other words a CLI manager instead of the GUI

23:32 <MTughan> Yeah, there's two parts to the BOINC model: a core client which runs as a daemon, and a GUI manager that connects to it. What OS are you running?

23:32 <CodeBlock> MTughan: one'll be debian, one'll be Cent

23:32 <MTughan> Okay, so both Linux distros.

23:32 <CodeBlock> yep

23:33 <MTughan> I created an init script for my Linux comp... Let me just pull up what command I used to start the daemon.

23:33 <CodeBlock> MTughan: only one of them has Xorg (which i rarely use anyway), so I'm looking for a CLI-ish way of doing things

23:35 <MTughan> I used the run_client script included in the self-extracter with "--daemon" for flags. After that, you can either use the GUI manager on another computer (Mac or Windows too, not just Linux), or the boinccmd program on the CLI for control.

23:36 <MTughan> "boinccmd --help" will get you the options.

23:36 <CodeBlock> MTughan: alright, thanks

23:50 <wdsmia> Yawn

23:50 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

23:50 <wdsmia> *lo MT

23:52 <wdsmia> Michael even

23:52 <MTughan> First actually flashes me.

23:53 <wdsmia> works for me

23:53 <wdsmia> lol

23:55 * wdsmia is putting all the critters to bed

23:56 <MTughan> The llamas?

23:56 <wdsmia> Dog, Cat, Bird, Rat, ...

23:56 <MTughan> How do they get along? :P

23:57 <wdsmia> the Bird rules them all

23:57 <MTughan> lol

23:57 <MTughan> What kind of bird?

23:58 <wdsmia> its true you should see the bird take toys away from the 125 pound Dog

23:59 <wdsmia> Eclectus

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