IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-11-28

00:01 <MTughan> Nice looking bird.

00:01 <wdsmia> pita most of the time lol

00:03 <wdsmia> they have there own personality

00:03 <MTughan> I could believe it.

00:03 <MTughan> CAD and xkcd are up.

00:08 <efc> Pretty pretty

00:08 <efc> I like peacocks/pheasants..

00:08 <efc> They like to yell at cars driving by

00:08 <MTughan> lol

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00:09 <efc> and show their feathers

00:09 <wdsmia> well Ruby is defently a red head

00:09 <efc> very pompous things

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01:51 <efc> still $517 for the dell 24

01:52 <MTughan> Holy crap, it's 2AM... I'd talk more about computers, but I gotta get to bed.

01:52 <MTughan> efc: Why do we need sleep? It's so annoying at times. ;)

01:53 <efc> keeps shoulders from going numb

01:54 <MTughan> You lifting a lot of CRTs?

01:55 <efc> no, they just go numb when it gets too late i think

01:55 <efc> About one ounce of wine will really accentuate the effect

01:56 <MTughan> Hmm... I've never noticed that. Maybe it's later on in years.

01:56 <MTughan> Anyway, I'll see you tomorrow. Or whoever, if not you.

01:58 <efc> Night

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03:46 * CoderForLife sniffs the air suspiciously

03:52 <Soul_keeper> hmmm

03:52 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, did someone fart ?

03:52 <Soul_keeper> or is someone smoking dope ?

03:53 * FreeLarry58 thinks magic smoke leaking from CodeBlock machine

03:53 <FreeLarry58> dang new nick i hadn't noticed

03:53 <Soul_keeper> yeah apparently different people ...

03:54 <FreeLarry58> looks like someone name rick

03:54 <CoderForLife> I was checking to see if there was oxygen in the air this early on Black Friday

03:55 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, you gonna go on a spending spree ?

03:55 <FreeLarry58> nah all the wifes have it trapped in lungs waiting stores to open - while warming up plastic

03:55 <FreeLarry58> wives

03:55 <CoderForLife> thinking about actually going to a couple of places his morning

03:55 <CoderForLife> I do most of my shopping online, ususally

03:55 <Soul_keeper> groceries too ?

03:56 <FreeLarry58> too late - took a little trip around 1230 and saw lines already at stores

03:56 <CoderForLife> I was thinking "Christmas shopping" actually

03:56 <FreeLarry58> already did that

03:56 <Soul_keeper> i wonder if the sales numbers will be much higher than everyone is thinking

03:56 <FreeLarry58> new brother mfc upstaires

03:56 <CoderForLife> I have done some grocery purchases online in the past

03:57 <Soul_keeper> i doubt "bad times" warrant people getting off the credit addiction

03:57 <FreeLarry58> humm not so sure wife finally down to only two cards

03:57 <CoderForLife> lines at 12:30 for a 5am opening, FreeLarry58?

03:58 <FreeLarry58> yup altho one store advertised 3am opening

03:58 <CoderForLife> I'm not in a race for anything

03:58 <Soul_keeper> lol

03:58 * FreeLarry58 scratches head or was that last year

03:58 <Soul_keeper> i'll be happy with some oil and an oil filter for my truck

03:59 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

04:00 <FreeLarry58> i'm happy the guy i owed some money too accepted an old comp and monitor as payment

04:00 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 58.5F / 14.7C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.50in / 998.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy fog overnight. Lows 46 to 53. Light winds.; Friday - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 63 to 68. Light winds.; Friday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

04:00 <CoderForLife> well if I'm going to be up, I need to get something to eat

04:00 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:00 <FreeLarry58> already in leftovers here

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04:09 <CoderForLife> b w/b

04:14 * Soul_keeper doesn't own food

04:18 * CoderForLife is owned by food

04:19 <CoderForLife> looks like one place I want to go won;t open until 10am

04:20 <CoderForLife> no need to rush to get in line at WallyWorld at 5am

04:29 <Soul_keeper>   buy me this for xmas CoderForLife

04:29 <Romulus> <> (at

04:30 <CoderForLife> actually, I was just looking at buying this for the family

04:30 <Romulus> <> (at

04:32 <Soul_keeper> i'm part of your family right ? :)

04:32 <CoderForLife> Yeah, right, exactly

04:33 <Soul_keeper> what i don't understand is you have to go all the way up to 24" before you can do 1600x1200 or great with these lcd's ...

04:33 <Soul_keeper> i had a 15" laptop that would do 1600x1200 like 6yrs ago

04:34 <CoderForLife> Dell might have good prices today

04:34 <Soul_keeper> walmart said they would match anyone's prices today

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04:50 <CoderForLife> BTW Soul_keeper - I run two Samsung SyncMaster 191T 19" displays in portrait mode side-by-side

04:54 <CoderForLife> brb  Need More Beverage

05:10 <CoderForLife> b

05:28 <Soul_keeper> nice

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08:15 <xcamel> 'mornin

08:15 <CoderForLife> hey

08:15 <CoderForLife> Happy Black Friday

08:20 <CoderForLife> stores all up and running?

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08:34 <CoderForLife> bbl

08:43 <xcamel> oh yeah..

08:45 <xcamel> were not much on being the "Christmas place" - however we do loan out 1/3 of our parking lot to the local Rotary club to sell trees.

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08:50 <xcamel>

08:50 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 November 28 - Probably a Planet for Beta Pic (at

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09:14 <CoderForLife> I'm off to join the huddled masses, yearning to spend freely

09:15 <CoderForLife> laterz

09:19 <PovAdct_w> lol

09:29 <PovAdct_w> <asrskz> Don't tell me who won the 2000 election.  I have the coverage on disk but I have not gotten around to watching it.  Don't spoil it for me

09:31 <xcamel> 'black friday' is idiotic.

09:33 <PovAdct_w> &google calc once in a blue moon in hertz

09:33 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: once in a blue moon = 1.16699016 * 10^(-8) hertz

09:57 <xcamel> cute..

09:59 <PovAdct_w> &google calc the answer to life, the universe and everything

09:59 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: the answer to life, the universe and everything = 42

10:01 <xcamel> Thank you Doug Adams.

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12:04 <CoderForLife> back - those WallyMart shoppers are nutzoid

12:05 <turbolover> OMG I NEED STUFF OR MY LIFE IWLL NOT BE COMPLETE~!!!!@#~!@#!@$#

12:05 <CoderForLife> and they don't care who they have to kill to get it, apparently

12:05 <turbolover> wouldnt it be a great prank if they made all these black friday ads, and then everyone shows up and not a single retail store in america opens

12:06 <CoderForLife> the parking lot was a demolition derby

12:06 * PovAdct_w frowns and notes america is a continent, then gets back to lurking

12:07 * turbolover frowns that canada is in north america, and as such has retailers as well

12:07 <PovAdct_w> does canada have black friday madness?

12:07 * CoderForLife just frowns

12:07 <turbolover> they have best buys and the ilk, what do you think?

12:08 <turbolover> they celebrate christmas and consume

12:08 <CoderForLife> I just heard on the radion that Black Friday is actually the *4th* largest shopping day of the year

12:08 <CoderForLife> er radio

12:08 <turbolover> what was 1-3?

12:09 <CoderForLife> 31 the Saturday before Christmas

12:09 <CoderForLife> er #1

12:09 <CoderForLife> #2 Christmas Eve

12:09 <CoderForLife> #3 some other day in December (radio guy didn't say)

12:10 <CoderForLife> nooze 2 me

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12:32 <xcamel> re-hi

12:34 <xcamel> one poor walmart stock clerk killed by a stampeding mob this morning

12:44 <xcamel> likely "cyber monday"

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13:01 <yoyo[RKN]> the spammer tried it again

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13:14 <CoderForLife> I think you're right xcamel - when everyone returns to w@#% and logs on a starts shopping

13:15 <CoderForLife> lowest employee productivity day of the year

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13:36 * PovAdct_w goes home - TGIF

13:36 <CoderForLife> indeed

13:36 <PovAdct_w> and thank god it's raining, too

13:36 <PovAdct_w> &wx eze

13:36 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: Temperature: 78°F / 26°C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 29.84in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ARST; Overcast. High:95 F. / 35 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:71 F. / 22 C.; Rain. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Rain. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:60 F. / 16 C.;

13:37 <PovAdct_w> we're like a whole 10°C cooler than yesterday

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13:50 <MTughan> CoderForLife: I don't suppose #3 on shopping days would be Boxing Day?

13:50 <CoderForLife> I think this was U.S.-centric, as always

13:51 <CoderForLife> I don't think I've ever received a Boxing Day card or gift =(

13:52 <MTughan> So Black Friday is more popular than Boxing Day?

13:53 <CoderForLife> well, to tell you the truth, I haven't gotten a Black Friday card either

13:53 <CoderForLife> almost got a speeding ticket today, but that's not quite the same

13:53 <MTughan> No, because those are all around holidays. Boxing Day with Christmas, Black Friday with Thanksgiving. Did you get a Thanksgiving card?

13:54 <MTughan> lol

13:54 <CoderForLife> yes, I did, as a matter of fact

13:54 <CoderForLife> 2 cards

13:54 <MTughan> rofl... Two hard marshmallows hit together sound like blocks of wood.

13:55 <CoderForLife> I guess I'll walk to the mailbox, and see if I got any Black Friday cards today

13:55 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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14:01 <Starfury^> ins

14:12 <FreeLarry58> morn all

14:13 <FreeLarry58> i see black friday advertisers paid to have newspaper delivered yesterday to everyone

14:13 <FreeLarry58> paper tube was overflowing

14:15 <FreeLarry58> question to all - anyone have experience with vista giving a system timing error bsd?

14:15 <FreeLarry58> after last update my machine keeps crashing every 14 to 20 minutes when is safemode and less than 3 minutes when booted normally

14:15 <FreeLarry58> not alwalys the same message

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15:22 <xcamel> re-hi-again

15:23 <Soul_keeper> did you know during WWII the french and germans stopped fighting on xmas to exchange gifts and play soccer ?    history channel

15:23 <Soul_keeper> this was the trench/lines

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15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &calc 3341598558 * 1.45 * 3600

15:28 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Error: The command "calc" is available in the Google and Math plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "calc".

15:28 <xcamel> Happened in WW ! also

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 3341598558 * 1.45 * 3600

15:28 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 1.74431444728e+13

15:28 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Just use the &math command.

15:28 <MTughan> Yeah...

15:31 <Soul_keeper> ohh yeah 1

15:31 <Soul_keeper> sorry

15:33 <xcamel> wow - looks like I got some LHC

15:33 <MTughan> Gah... I have BOINC suspended for now.

15:35 <xcamel> finally.. 0.4 milkyway

15:36 <xcamel> just downloaded

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15:39 <wdsmia>

15:39 <Romulus> <> (at

15:39 <MTughan> You two have too many computers...

15:46 <yoyo[RKN]> &math 3341598558 * 2 * 3600

15:46 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: 24059509617600

15:46 <PovAddict> o.0?

15:47 <efc> position graph reminds me of something you'd see on an o-scope

15:51 <PovAddict> heh

15:51 <PovAddict> fighting for first place

15:51 <PovAddict> and then wdsmia kicked his ass

15:54 <efc> Some places are advertising ~$250/month for a T1.. if only..

15:55 <PovAddict> uh, how fast is T1?

15:58 <efc> Here we go.

15:58 <efc> 1.5 mpbs both ways.

15:58 <PovAddict> ooh both ways

15:58 <PovAddict> I have 3mbit down

15:58 <PovAddict> and 256k up or something :/

15:59 <efc> The important thing being you can get it anywhere, for enough monet. That $250 is probably in an urban area.

15:59 <efc> Might be $10,000 to run it here.

15:59 <efc> But, it is technically possible..

15:59 <PovAddict> how does it work?

15:59 <PovAddict> dedicated cabling?

16:00 <Soul_keeper> who wants to trade pumpkin pie for apple pie ?

16:00 <Soul_keeper> they put way too much sugar in pumpkin pie at the stores

16:01 * PovAddict extracts a dozen .gz files

16:01 <efc> Yeah, I think you actually have a copper pair between you and another location

16:01 <efc> (They aren't always used to go to ISP - could be used to communicate with another site)

16:02 <PovAddict> my dad got a somewhat-dedicated link to Chile at w%&$

16:02 <PovAddict> they needed it for videoconferences

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16:02 <PovAddict> going through Internet had way too much latency

16:03 <efc> Yeah might be a Tsomething, or ATM, or frame relay, or one of those other things I can't afford

16:03 <efc> I wonder where people running game servers get their bandwidth.. 32 players on a bf1942 server is more than a T1..

16:03 <PovAddict> and since they don't use it too often (like, once a week, instead of the *constant traffic* other companies might use on a distributed link), they got the ISP to give them QoS for no extra charge

16:04 <PovAddict> I think that means packet priority over other customers

16:04 * PovAddict puts 1.6GB in a .tar

16:05 <Soul_keeper> they got 18mbps dsl connections now with att

16:05 <PovAddict> too bad this file compressor doesn't work with pipes or stdin (needs a seekable source)

16:05 <Soul_keeper> can rent remote game servers now too, like 30-100 bucks a month or whatever with mad bandwidth

16:05 <efc> But up? Game server needs most of its bandwidth up. Figure 64 kpbs/player, 32 players gets to 2 megabits. up

16:06 <PovAddict> that already far overflows my current connection

16:06 <PovAddict> 64kbps/player sounds high btw...

16:06 <efc> (thats bits)

16:06 <PovAddict> that sounds typical for voip

16:06 <PovAddict> guess it depends on what kind of game you're talking about

16:07 <efc> Playing Quakeworld I pull around 28 kpbs, though I'd use a little more if I could

16:07 <efc> Problem is, with a lot of players, that per player figure will tend to go up sicne they are interacting with each other, etc

16:08 <PovAddict> yeah

16:08 <PovAddict> it's like IRC

16:08 <PovAddict> one might say "you need X bandwidth for each user you have"

16:08 <efc> 64 might be a bit high, could probably live with 50 or so

16:08 <PovAddict> but the more users, the more talking in each channel, so the more bandwidth per user

16:09 <efc> Yeah probably instead of O(n) bandwidth, somewhere between O(n*log(n)) and O(n^2)

16:09 <PovAddict> join #ubuntu :P

16:10 <PovAddict> 1380 users in there right now

16:10 <DerMeister> In case of IRC I would say O(n^2)

16:10 <PovAddict> DerMeister: in theory, yes

16:10 <PovAddict> in practice... it involves social factors

16:10 <DerMeister> PovAddict: It would still be O(n^2) - O is worst case

16:10 <PovAddict> do people talk less in crowded channels?

16:10 <PovAddict> oh right

16:11 * CoderForLife peeks in

16:12 <CoderForLife> ack! math!

16:12 * CoderForLife runs away

16:12 <PovAddict> you think this is math?

16:12 <PovAddict> you should have been in #povray last night...

16:13 <DerMeister> ... or attend to some number theory lectures :P

16:13 <PovAddict> I was asking if anyone knew how to figure out if an arbitrary point is inside a closed shape defined by cubic bezier segments

16:13 <DerMeister> Uh... I onced solved such equations for much simpler objects like cylinders or cones. That can get quite ugly.

16:14 <PovAddict> 2D :)

16:14 <CoderForLife> 2 people shot dead in Toys R Us

16:14 <PovAddict> in fact I needed more than cubic bezier

16:14 <CoderForLife>

16:14 <Romulus> Title: 2 people killed inside Calif. Toys R Us - Crime & courts- (at

16:14 <PovAddict> I want to know if a point is inside a <svg:path>

16:14 <CoderForLife> The Christmas hunting season is off to a fine start

16:16 <PovAddict> finished compressing

16:16 <PovAddict> 53:1 compression ratio

16:17 <PovAddict> 1.6GB -> 32MB

16:17 <efc> Must have been all spaces.

16:17 <PovAddict> highly redundant XML

16:17 <PovAddict> and a *very* good compression algorithm

16:18 <efc> Ever looked at the Huffman coding type compressors for XML ?

16:18 <PovAddict> (bzip2 with a 900MB window)

16:18 <PovAddict> and some other tweaks

16:18 <DerMeister> 7zip should still be better

16:18 <PovAddict> called rzip

16:18 <PovAddict> DerMeister: wanna bet on it?

16:18 <PovAddict> I can't use 7zip easily but I can use LZMA

16:18 <DerMeister> no :P

16:18 <DerMeister> I think 7zip uses LZMA, too.

16:18 <PovAddict> exactly

16:19 * efc deletes the file. Now it takes no space but conveys the same information. Win.

16:19 <PovAddict> 7zip is a file archiver using lzma as the default compression algorithm

16:19 <PovAddict> lzma can be used as a single-file compression tool too

16:19 <PovAddict> .tar.lzma :P

16:20 <PovAddict> I'll decompress a smaller one

16:20 <PovAddict> and recompress with lzma

16:23 <PovAddict> &math calc 75542050/835512320 * 100

16:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: 9.04140467971

16:24 <PovAddict> 9% after 2 minutes -.-

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16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> can I specify in the wu, that at least app version 2.1 is needed?

16:26 <PovAddict> not sure

16:26 <PovAddict> you can do that at the app level though

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> how?

16:26 <Romulus> hmm... how is breakfast, yoyo[RKN]

16:26 <PovAddict> you can make all other versions deprecated

16:26 <PovAddict> or

16:27 <PovAddict> set app.min_version DB field

16:28 <PovAddict> min_version;        // don't use app versions before this

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> hmm it is not what I want

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> all current wus should run with the current app version

16:28 <PovAddict> afaik, BOINC clients will never keep more than one version of the same app

16:28 <yoyo[RKN]> but I will create new wus which need the new app version

16:29 <PovAddict> wus will usually run with the highest version available

16:30 <PovAddict> deprecating and setting min_version is useful to make sure an old one isn't used

16:30 <PovAddict> for example, if the user has an old version in app_info.xml

16:30 <PovAddict> he won't get work

16:30 <PovAddict> or if the new version isn't available for all platforms yet

16:31 <yoyo[RKN]> but my old wus will not run with the new app version

16:31 <PovAddict> then it should be a new app, not a new version

16:31 <PovAddict> if they're mutually incompatible

16:31 <PovAddict> see SETI enhanced :) they didn't make it as the same app, but v2.0

16:32 <PovAddict> is this about the new ogr?

16:32 <yoyo[RKN]> the new ogr runs already

16:32 <yoyo[RKN]> but there is a PS3 version in preperation which uses also the SPEs

16:33 <PovAddict> and it uses different input files?

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> no

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> and yes

16:33 <PovAddict> o.o?

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> in all plattforms I use job.xml and start 2 ogr, one after the other

16:34 <PovAddict> DerMeister: lzma 57% :P

16:34 <PovAddict> slow

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> but on PS3 I must have only one task in job.xml

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> which runs 7 ogr in parallel

16:35 <yoyo[RKN]> so at the end I need 7 ogr in one boinc wu

16:35 <PovAddict> if you can't make Linux/x86 and Linux/Cell process the same, it should be a separate app

16:36 <PovAddict> I was going to say "if you can't make them give the same output with the same input"... but that's actually not the case in many projects already :P (floating point differences)

16:36 <PovAddict> I assume 7 ogrs in parallel will give a different result than 2 ogrs sequentially

16:37 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

16:37 <PovAddict> then separate apps...

16:37 <yoyo[RKN]> but the same as 7 ogr sequentially

16:37 <PovAddict> hmm!

16:37 <PovAddict> would it be *too* long if you made the "normal computer" versions do 7 sequentially?

16:37 <yoyo[RKN]> no

16:38 <PovAddict> then consider that as an alternative

16:38 <yoyo[RKN]> but the job.xml only contains 2 tasks

16:38 <yoyo[RKN]> first ogr in first task, remaining ogr in second task

16:38 <PovAddict> I think if you run 2 ogrs on some platforms and 7 on others, they should be different apps (not app versions of same app)

16:39 <yoyo[RKN]> understood

16:39 <yoyo[RKN]> but I will run 7 ogr on all platforms

16:40 <PovAddict> in that case I think you're fine

16:40 <PovAddict> even if you don't (currently) use redundancy, it should be possible for the validator to compare a PS3 result with a Linux/x86 result

16:40 <yoyo[RKN]> but if I make now a new app version with 7 tasks it will fail with old wus, which contains only 2 ogr

16:40 <PovAddict> so they have to compute the same thing :)

16:40 <PovAddict> argh that's right

16:42 <yoyo[RKN]> I can cancel all old wus

16:42 * PovAddict is reading documentation

16:42 * CoderForLife watches Quicktime movie previews

16:43 <PovAddict> DerMeister

16:43 <PovAddict> 798M    archnov2.tar

16:43 <PovAddict> 124M    archnov2.tar.lzma7

16:43 <PovAddict> 16M     archnov2.tar.rz

16:43 <PovAddict> I won't try lzma with -9 :)

16:43 * Soul_keeper is watching a rheumatoid arthritis commercial

16:43 <DerMeister> hehe

16:43 <PovAddict> with -7 it took long enough already

16:44 <PovAddict> "A workunit is associated with an application, not with a particular version or range of versions. If the input data format changes in a way that is incompatible with older versions, you must either a) release new versions for all supported platforms, or b) create a new application."

16:45 <yoyo[RKN]> new versions I can release. But if an old wu is resent the new version can't handle it

16:46 <PovAddict> you should do a)... either let the existing workunits run out, or abort them; then globally make the 7-ogr version the minimum, and start generating the new 7-org work

16:47 <PovAddict> now that I know the reason for the change, using a new *app* seems overkill

16:48 <PovAddict> can you pastebin your job.xml somewhere? I think your needs call for some wrapper customizations :)

16:48 <PovAddict> would be cool if the wrapper ran as many ogrs as there is data in the input files

16:48 <PovAddict> then if your workunits change how many ogrs they run, it just works

16:50 <yoyo[RKN]>

16:50 <Romulus> Title: yoyo private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

16:51 <PovAddict> that's of course an idea for the future, not worth doing now

16:52 <yoyo[RKN]> and the ps3 job.xml with only one task

16:52 <Romulus> Title: yoyo private pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

16:52 <PovAddict> that actually uses 7 parallel tasks?

16:53 <yoyo[RKN]> as much in parallel es ogr in input file and cpus available

16:54 <PovAddict> interesting

16:55 <yoyo[RKN]> for non ps3 i disabled parallel execution with -numcpu 0

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17:25 <MTughan> O_O

17:25 <Romulus> <> (at

17:25 <MTughan> 64GB of RAM, and 24 reported cores...

17:26 <PovAddict>

17:26 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:32 <MTughan> Wow... That cost him at least $35,000.

17:32 <MTughan> 'lo Nickuwo

17:34 <MTughan> The measured speed on that host isn't too great, but it's probably for just one core, which makes it quite nice.

17:35 <Nickuwo> Hey MT

17:36 <MTughan> Fri 28 Nov 16:47:54 2008|ramsey|Message from server: Server error: can't attach shared memory

17:36 <MTughan> I accidentally requested an RPC update one time... :P

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17:38 <Rookie_69> I was going to do some dishes in order to empty the kitchen sink so I could wash a frying pan to cook liver and onions in for supper, but There's only a trickle of water coming out of the tap, so I logged on here instead. :-)

17:38 <MTughan> You think we have water?

17:38 <Rookie_69> Apparently not.

17:38 <PovAddict> but we can help him procrastinate

17:38 <MTughan> Well said...

17:39 <PovAddict> why leave for tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow?

17:39 <Rookie_69> I'm not here looking for water... just an excuse not to do dishes.

17:39 <MTughan> In the case of my transportation, because I'll miss my train/plane.

17:40 <PovAddict> bah schedules

17:40 <PovAddict> but don't you know how airports work?

17:40 <MTughan> Not schedules. Tickets.

17:41 <PovAddict> "ever been to the airport waiting for a flight to be told it will board in 20 minutes -- you come back in 20 minutes and ask status and are told, status is the same it will board in 20 minutes"

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17:55 <Rookie_69> Hmm... If I got a pound of fat left over after cooking a pound of bacon, what did I eat???

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18:03 <Rookie_69> By the time two of these onions are skinned and gutted, there ain't much left... I'll have to use three.

18:04 <PovAddict> I remember someone telling about the ugly things they got when drawing out blood from patients

18:04 <PovAddict> like, they leave the blood on its own, without adding any chemical or anything... and it doesn't take long for the fat to separate

18:06 <MTughan> Hehe... PovAddict: At current rates, I'll overtake you at about 560K apiece. On December 25. :P

18:06 <PovAddict> <.< don't challenge me

18:06 <PovAddict> I have the network password at w$%&

18:06 <MTughan> I just thought it was funny that it's scheduled for Christmas day.

18:06 <PovAddict> nice present you get

18:09 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm gonna get some dinner... bbl

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18:40 <Rookie_69> Yippee in advance... My Orbit WU says it's 25 hours from completion! After only 720 1/2 hours.

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18:54 <MTughan> lol

18:55 <PovAddict> ever seen that song saying "The Internet is for Porn"?

18:55 <PovAddict> it's not

18:55 <MTughan> I haven't, and I know.

18:55 <PovAddict> it's just against being productive

18:56 <PovAddict> I was just like a whole hour browsing wikipedia

18:56 <MTughan> Depends what you're working in. :P

19:02 <PovAddict> ooh the video is on the official website

19:02 <PovAddict> seems to be in Real format though, ugh

19:02 <MTughan> What site?

19:02 <Romulus> I guess What site is it, KathrynM, MTughan

19:02 <PovAddict>

19:02 <Romulus> <> (at

19:03 <PovAddict> ah it's just a small piece...

19:04 <MTughan> o_O

19:05 <MTughan> I just got audio, but it was strange enough...

19:06 <PovAddict> w00t, found it

19:06 <PovAddict>

19:06 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Internet is for porn avenue Q original - Video (at

19:07 <PovAddict> that's the original, there are hundreds of variations people did from the same song

19:30 * efc looks to see if the Roombas went on sale..

19:36 * Rookie_69 wonders if EFC spilled his popcorn on the floor.

19:36 <efc> ?!

19:36 <Rookie_69> or else why would he need a robotic vacuum cleaner.

19:37 <efc> Because my carpet is indistinguisable from the bare dirt outside

19:38 <Rookie_69> That requires a complete tear-out and replacement.

19:39 <efc> Really, it mostly gets little black fuzzballs from my socks

19:39 <Rookie_69> I know... I got one just like it.

19:39 <Rookie_69> Wear socks that match the colour of your carpet.

19:40 <Rookie_69> I wear black socks... They will eventually match the colour of my carpet.

19:40 <Rookie_69> ... or vice versa...

19:43 <efc> $250 for the 510

19:45 <Rookie_69> I bought a mini-vac with the intention of sucking crumbs out of my keyboards... I think it took a day and a half to do the living room.

19:47 <efc> $297 for the next model up that knows how to go back home when its done

19:56 <efc> I get the feeling they've lombotomized their lineup, removing features from the cheaper ones.

20:09 <Rookie_69> It's cheaper to build a good one and dumb it up a bit than to engineer two different models.

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20:22 <Rookie_69> Well, I washed a sinkload of dirty dishes so I'd have room to wash my frying pan and guzunder... now I have half a sinkload of dirty dishes waiting until I  am ready to cook my next meal.

20:22 <MTughan> I thought you didn't have any water?

20:23 <Rookie_69> It came back.

20:23 <Rookie_69> I guess I should go out and find myself a ride-on dishwasher... ;-)

20:36 <MTughan> I really hate Apple right now... Because for at least two years, they bundled some of the sh*ttiest graphics in the industry with their Macs, and now I can't watch a video smoothly with the CPU maxed.

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21:40 <Rookie_69> Me too... Lately, I've stuck to oranges. I thought Apple was the king of graphics...

21:41 <Rookie_69> ... or was that only twenty years ago?

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21:55 <Tank_Master> yoyo?

21:55 <Romulus> It has been said that yoyo is down, Tank_Master

21:55 * Tank_Master strangles Romulus with a serial mouse cord

21:56 <Tank_Master> MTughan

21:56 <wdsmia> &insult Tank_Master

21:56 <Romulus> Tank_Master - You are nothing but a lewd-minded plate of impertinent cold.

21:56 <Tank_Master> if ya see yoyo around, let him know ill gladly test an app for him

21:56 <Tank_Master> gee, hi wdsmia

21:56 <Tank_Master> :P

22:16 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i fell asleep and left the keys in my truck's ignition and the window rolled down

22:16 <Tank_Master> heh

22:17 <Tank_Master> you at least close the garauge door so the exause built up?

22:20 <Soul_keeper> nah the truck wasn't started, just sitting in front of my house

22:21 <Rookie_69> ... and where's your house again?...

22:22 <Rookie_69> Wrong coast... wrong country... I'll never make it there in time.

22:39 <Rookie_69> NN>

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23:29 * efc wakes up and resumes roomba search

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