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01:20 <efc> Zzzz
01:21 <Tank_Master> hey
01:22 <efc> quiet night
01:29 * efc taps the strategic peppermind patty reserve
02:41 <Tank_Master> to quiet
02:41 <Tank_Master> doesnt keep me awake
02:42 <quail> 'evening all
02:42 <Tank_Master> hey
02:43 <quail> how are things?
02:43 <Tank_Master> quiet
02:43 <quail> :-)
02:44 <quail> it bit of a quiet evening here too
02:45 <Tank_Master> im just catching up on the comics in my e-mail
02:45 <quail> :-)
02:53 <efc> moo quail
02:53 <efc> $621 million for the new capitol visitors center
02:53 <quail> meep meep efc
02:54 <efc> On full Spaceheater@home burn now
02:54 <Tank_Master> lol
02:56 <efc> i haven't looked at my 401k lately.. its like pulling the diaper off a baby.. you know it stinks, don't need to look
02:56 <Tank_Master> :P
02:57 <quail> hehe
03:01 <Tank_Master> man, its midnight already?
03:02 <efc> Zzzzz
03:02 <efc> &wx 31088
03:02 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 29°F / -2°C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1027hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. Light and variable winds.;
03:02 <quail> &wx ypad
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03:03 <efc> Trade ya
03:03 <quail> ;-)
03:04 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123
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03:04 <Tank_Master> &more
03:04 <Romulus> Tank_Master: morning. Highs 50 to 55. Light wind.; Wednesday Night - Evening clearing. Lows in the 30s to lower 40s. Northeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Near The Gorge east wind 15 to 25 mph gusts to 40 mph.;
03:08 <efc> hmm, this planetary exploration special has humans visiting Venus first. Ugh.
03:09 <Tank_Master> waa?
03:10 <Tank_Master> Ill take mars, you can keep venus
03:10 <efc> they only stayed an hour on venus
03:10 <efc> Thats like 5 trillion down the drain
03:14 <efc> This appears to be a mission designed primarily around killing the crew
03:14 <Tank_Master> who's idea is this?
03:15 <efc> the BBC's
03:15 <efc> Thank goodness they can't kill anyone but British actors, and we have plenty of those.
03:21 <Tank_Master> lol
03:21 <quail> ;-)
03:22 <quail> british comedy is great
03:22 <Tank_Master> love Dr Who
03:23 <Tank_Master> ;)
03:23 <quail> and torchwood is a good british sci fi program
03:23 <Tank_Master> YES
03:23 <Tank_Master> defently
03:23 <quail> dro who rocks too
03:23 <Tank_Master> though I dont get why torchwood is in HD and Dr Who isnt
03:23 <Tank_Master> even on the HD sci-fi channle its still standard deff upscaled to HD
03:24 <quail> ah, dr who has not been on here for a while now
03:24 <Tank_Master> few months anyway
03:30 <quail> ah
03:31 <efc> Send crewmember to Io. Uh-huh.
03:32 * quail thinks the cold is effecting efc :-P
03:33 <efc> They are doing a one mission tour, venus mars sun jupiter
03:35 <quail> who are?
03:35 <efc> this bbc fiction thing
03:36 <efc> I don't think NASA is that stupid yet
03:36 <Tank_Master> maybe after obama is done...
03:36 <efc> I don't think we'll be sending so much as a weather balloon after that
03:37 <efc> not that its really his fault
03:38 <Tank_Master> true
03:43 <efc> their mission seems to have recruited from that drill team that bruce willis had
03:43 <Tank_Master> haha
03:47 <Soul_keeper> i don't get it, a 6yr old 15" laptop has an lcd that can do 1600x1200 yet current desktop lcd's need to go all the way up to like 24" just to break that (1920x1200) why not 2560x1600 or higher ? why has the technology not caught up to old laptops ?
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03:48 <efc> I dunno, but the laptop screens are really slow
03:50 <Tank_Master> my 10 year old CRT can do 2048x1536
03:50 <Tank_Master> it wasnt till able 3 or 4 years ago that ANY LCD could do that
03:52 <EL_Gono> snow storm outside .... cpu dropping to 25°C
03:52 <Tank_Master> :)
03:53 <Tank_Master> snow is fun
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03:53 <Soul_keeper> yeah LCDs still aren't impressive
03:54 <Tank_Master> only thing going for them now is that they do get up to 30" and do have a higher res than 2048x1536
03:54 <Tank_Master> if you can afford them that is
03:54 <Soul_keeper> yeah they cost 1000 bucks at 30" and can do 2560x1600
03:55 <Tank_Master> I spent 1700 on my CRT :P
03:55 <Soul_keeper> how big is the screen size ?
03:55 <Tank_Master> 21"
03:55 <ELGono> yea i'm still happy with my Eizo crt too
03:55 <Soul_keeper> impressive
03:55 <Tank_Master> .23dp
03:55 <Soul_keeper> my 21" CRT only does 1600x1200
03:56 <Tank_Master> what ezio, ELGono?
03:56 <ELGono> 3x 21" and one 17" lcd here
03:56 <Tank_Master> mine is the f980
03:56 <Soul_keeper> i want a 24" lcd but i'm having a hard time being convinced that it's much of an upgrade from what i got
03:56 <efc> i've been looking for something new too..
03:57 <ELGono> F 78 ... 130kHz
03:57 <efc> the dell 24 is nice, but the 40 ms lag scares me off
03:57 <Soul_keeper> knowing my luck i'll buy a 24" that does 1920x1200 then next year they'll release ones that do 2560x1600 at that screen size
03:57 <ELGono> and with matrox card 1600 is real sharp
03:58 <Soul_keeper> they are saying you can notice the ghosting on the 5ms 30" LCDs
03:58 <Soul_keeper> so i guess 2ms is a must if you don't want ghosting, i dunno
03:58 <Tank_Master> wvwn with a DVI cable?
03:58 <efc> they seem to buffer up a frame or two on some of them
03:59 <Tank_Master> even*
03:59 <efc> 5 is probably good if its not a lie
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04:01 <ELGono> &coffee
04:01 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?
04:01 <Tank_Master> nope
04:01 <Tank_Master> not strong enough
04:02 <Soul_keeper> lol
04:02 <Soul_keeper> it's 1am here ...
04:02 <Tank_Master> close to that here
04:02 <Tank_Master> or after
04:02 <Tank_Master> n/m
04:02 <Tank_Master> 1:02
04:02 <Soul_keeper> 24" LCDs go for about 350 bucks it seems btw
04:03 <Soul_keeper> i payed 350 bucks for this 21" CRT 5yrs ago
04:03 <efc> the dell was $517 but they yanked it back to 689
04:03 <Soul_keeper> i heard the HP ones were better than dell, but both seem out of my price range
04:05 <Soul_keeper> amazing i just found a 24" that was returned "open box" going for under 200 bucks
04:08 <Soul_keeper> probably got returned cause it didn't have the hdmi connector
04:11 <Soul_keeper> i bet after xmas they'll have a bunch of open box sales :)
04:13 <Tank_Master> anywho, im off to bed
04:13 <Soul_keeper> good luck
04:14 <Tank_Master> thx
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04:56 <CoderForLife> ack
04:56 <quail> 'evening CoderForLife
04:56 <CoderForLife> blech
04:56 <quail> huh?
04:57 <CoderForLife> I don't wake up well anymore
04:57 <quail> :-(
04:57 <quail> how come?
04:57 <CoderForLife> I think it's due to these 2 guys with hammers sitting on my shoulders
04:58 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
04:58 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 28.2°F / -2.1°C | Humidity: 99% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Today - Partly sunny until late afternoon...then becoming mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers late. Highs around 50. South winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Tonight - Rain showers. A (1 more message)
04:59 <CoderForLife> &more
04:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of snow showers after midnight. Little or no snow accumulation. Lows in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 30s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;
05:00 <quail> CoderForLife: take it you got a headarce?
05:02 <CoderForLife> yes - those hammers are hitting prettty hard
05:03 * quail hands CoderForLife a couple panadol
05:06 * CoderForLife pops off his head, and drops the pills down his throat
05:07 <CoderForLife> dang - didn't win the grand prize in the lottery overnight
05:07 <CoderForLife> I guess I'll have to get my own breakfast
05:08 <CoderForLife> brb
05:10 <quail> k
05:17 <CoderForLife> b w/b
05:17 <quail> b
05:17 <quail> wb
05:17 <CoderForLife> t
05:17 * quail has a hot milo n malt
05:20 <CoderForLife> looks like the new laundry room cabinets will be delivered today
05:20 <CoderForLife> that implies what I'll be doing this weekend
05:20 <quail> nice
05:21 <quail> CoderForLife: my new firewall / gateway / router / server computer is rocking along
05:21 <CoderForLife> that is a good thing
05:21 <quail> well it not a new computer rather just a fresh install
05:23 * CoderForLife reads the news
05:23 <quail> IPCop install that I was using in the past was proving to be bit hard to advance on
05:25 <CoderForLife> "Chambliss wins in Georgia" - excellent
05:26 <quail> :-)
05:26 <quail> CoderForLife: so what have you got planned for the day?
05:26 <CoderForLife> w@#%
05:27 <CoderForLife> a meeting starts 2 hours from now
05:27 <quail> :-/
05:27 <CoderForLife> runs from 7:30 am to 10
05:27 <quail> eep that an early meeting
05:28 <CoderForLife> weekly staff beat^H^H^H^Hmeeting
05:29 <CoderForLife> then I'll be talking with one of our strategic vendors on how to salvage the relationship
05:30 <quail> oh, business troubles :-(
05:30 <CoderForLife> then I'll be working on a contract revision proposal to change some software licensing and maintenance commitments
05:30 <CoderForLife> maybe I'll work on the warbird museum online store later in the day
05:31 <CoderForLife> all in a day's w@#%
05:31 <quail> and before you know it the days over
05:31 <CoderForLife> yup
05:33 * quail feels bit bloated after his suppa
05:44 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% - bbiab
06:18 <CoderForLife> b
06:20 <quail> wb
06:20 <CoderForLife> thx
06:20 <CoderForLife> final departure prep
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06:22 <CoderForLife> morning Jay
06:22 <hawmps> 'ello
06:22 <CoderForLife> well - I'm off to w@#%
06:22 * CoderForLife jumps up on his mighty steed named Accord
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06:23 <CoderForLife> hi ho Accord - away
06:25 <hawmps> plink >> 220.127.116.11 18.104.22.168 22.214.171.124 126.96.36.199
06:57 <quail> hawmps: thanks
06:59 <hawmps> hiya Q
06:59 <quail> ay hawmps, how are things?
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07:11 <hawmps> good enough
07:18 <quail> :-)
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07:37 <hawmps> Fedora 10 Cambridge Released
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08:24 <hawmps> more: 188.8.131.52 184.108.40.206
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08:28 <wdsmia_w> Man its a mess out there
08:28 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319
08:28 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 26.2°F / -3.2°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Snow in the morning...then a slight chance of snow in the afternoon. Areas of blowing snow through the day. Colder. Snow accumulation of 3 to 4 inches. High in the upper 20s. Temperature steady or slowly (2 more messages)
08:28 <wdsmia_w> &more
08:28 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: falling in the afternoon. North wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Colder. Scattered flurries. Low 10 to 15. West wind 5 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Scattered flurries. High in the mid 20s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect (1 more message)
08:28 <wdsmia_w> &more
08:28 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: until 6:00 PM CST on December 03, 2008;
08:34 <Soul_keeper> i made two spiders fight .... i shoulda recorded it
08:35 <PovAdct_w> ...
08:35 <ELGono> heavy snowfall here
08:35 <PovAdct_w> dude that was totally youtube material
08:35 <ELGono> about 20cm last two hours
08:39 <quail> rofl => http://www.theage.com.au/news/technology/biztech/specs-released-for-nsw-school-laptops/2008/12/03/1228257109543.html <= they want the comps to be locked down on and only go on the det network / not remove det apps. that's like big brother hello ?
08:44 <PovAdct_w> for LAPTOPS?
08:45 <PovAdct_w> that's ridiculous
08:45 <PovAdct_w> locking down makes some sense if they're desktop computers owned by the school and in the school building
08:46 <Soul_keeper> yeah the spiders were the same size too ..
08:46 <Soul_keeper> the one that owned the web ended up winning
08:46 <Soul_keeper> knew his own turf i guess
08:56 <quail> PovAdct_w: true
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09:15 <Welshman> Yo
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09:49 <hawmps> 'hi
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10:03 <PovAdct_w> :o
10:05 <MadHag> yo yo yo
10:05 <MadHag> over 50k :)
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10:06 <MadHag> small fry I guess but I am happy
10:17 <hawmps> happy is good..
10:20 <wdsmia_w> 17,010,093.21 :)
10:22 <MadHag> unhappy is bad I guess
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10:27 <jackygrahamez> hi
10:28 <jackygrahamez> anyone here know of a package that supports unrar
10:28 <jackygrahamez> I want to unrar a file
10:41 <jackygrahamez> ?
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10:50 <PovAdct_w> yes, "unrar"
10:50 <jackygrahamez> hmm I'm looking for that using yum
10:51 <jackygrahamez> I tried compiling one from this site
10:51 <Romulus> Title: unrar (at home.gna.org)
10:53 <PovAdct_w> unrar is a proprietary format with lots of usage limits
10:53 <PovAdct_w> they give decompression source code with limits like "you may not use this to reverse-engineer the *compression* algorithms"
10:54 <PovAdct_w> so most linux distros would consider it "non-free"
10:54 <jackygrahamez> it compiled but it does not seem to decompress the file I recieved
10:57 <PovAdct_w> files compressed with new winrars use a different compression algorithm
10:57 <PovAdct_w> free unrars don't support it
10:58 <PovAdct_w> "Please note: further development of unrarlib has been stopped. The current version is stable but supports only old RAR2 archives."
10:58 <PovAdct_w> "If you need to read RAR3 archives, please use the WinRAR or the original unrar source code"
11:01 <jackygrahamez> I just did it locally using 7-zip
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11:04 <PovAdct_w> 7zip uses that same lib (last link)
11:04 <jackygrahamez> I was able to get a 7zip package loaded but I'm having trouble figuring how to run it
11:05 <PovAdct_w> there is no 7zip GUI for Linux
11:05 <jackygrahamez> hmm this is what I got p7zip.i386
11:06 <PovAdct_w> it only does 7zip
11:06 <PovAdct_w> and I think only 7zip with LZMA
11:06 <PovAdct_w> it's not a multiformat file compression program like 7zip for Windows (which supports zip, gz, bz2, and read-only rar)
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11:14 <jackygrahamez> got it working!
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16:41 <xcamel> re-hi
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17:40 <CoderForLife> yipes
17:40 <xcamel> that too...
17:40 <PovAddict> quiet channel
17:41 <xcamel> I figure Doug was trying to purge the list..
17:41 <xcamel> ... by force.
17:42 <CoderForLife> I wrote Chase a check and they must've mis-keyed it into their system, short-paying a credit card by $200. Just got the electronic draft back against my hceking account, and it's $200 short of what I wroite the check for.
17:43 <CoderForLife> Good news is they didn't draft more than they credited; bad news is there will be finance charges
17:43 <CoderForLife> This'll make an entertaining letter.
17:43 <xcamel> worse news it they'll never take the blame for it.
17:43 <CoderForLife> oh noooo
17:44 <PovAddict> a BOINC bug is 1 year - 8 days old
17:44 <PovAddict> I wonder if I should report it, or wait for its birthday
17:44 <xcamel> kill it.
17:44 <CoderForLife> I pay this card in full every month - why would I suddenlt lose my mid and short-pay it?
17:44 <xcamel> ditto here...
17:45 <CoderForLife> you'd think they'd have some pattern detection exception reporting
17:46 <CoderForLife> this guy with an 805 credit rating suddenly wants credit card interest - might it be our fault?
17:46 <xcamel> it's happened to me a couple times.. they've always reversed it.
17:47 <CoderForLife> I'm sure it's happened before - fat fingerism is a rampant disease
17:49 <CoderForLife> btw xcamel - hooray for Chambliss
17:50 <wdsmia> Damn came home and heat is out
17:50 <CoderForLife> ut oh
17:51 <CoderForLife> open the door to the computers
17:51 <xcamel> ouch
17:56 <wdsmia> looks like the combustion fan moter siezed :(
17:56 <CoderForLife> way un-good
17:56 <wdsmia> er motor
17:56 <CoderForLife> anyplace to go for replacement?
17:57 <CoderForLife> or call for help?
17:57 <wdsmia> with the temp falling into the single digits tonight guess I will have to pay the furness man overtime
17:58 <CoderForLife> that's unfortunate
17:59 <CoderForLife> &wx 50319
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17:59 <CoderForLife> &more
17:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: afternoon. High in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. West wind 5 to 10 mph.;
18:00 <CoderForLife> seems like it will be a balmy 15, wdsmia
18:00 <CoderForLife> with some wind chill to cool you down
18:03 <xcamel> going to get kind of unpleasant here tomorrow too.
18:04 <CoderForLife> there's a cold wind a-blowin' in
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18:04 <xcamel> yeah... called winter.
18:04 <CoderForLife> funny that
18:05 <xcamel> I want my global warming back.
18:05 <CoderForLife> I'm ready for spring
18:05 <xcamel> far too many people die of the cold.
18:06 <xcamel> the only people that die of the hot are when her father catches him.
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18:08 <CoderForLife> heh
18:09 <xcamel> even freezin at the moment
18:10 <CoderForLife> I'm going to go downstairs and use the laptop on the couch - got to prepare a counter-proposal on a software maintenance agreement for w@#% - all very exciting stuff
18:10 <CoderForLife> laterz
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18:26 <quail> 'morning
18:30 <xcamel> 'lo
18:33 <quail> &wx ypad
18:33 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 72Â°F / 22Â°C | Humidity: 33% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 9:30 AM CST; Chance of Rain. High:73 ° F. / 23 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 ° F. / 17 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:75 ° F. / 24 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 ° F. / 14 ° C.; Overcast. High:69 ° F. / 21 ° C.; Clear. Low:51 ° F. / 11 ° (1 more message)
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18:43 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 50Â°F / 10Â°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:60 ° F. / 16 ° C.; Chance of Rain. Low:28 ° F. / -2 ° C.; Scattered Clouds. High:39 ° F. / 4 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:17 ° F. / -8 ° C.; Clear. High:35 ° F. / 2 ° C.; Clear. Low:17 ° F. / -8 ° C.;
18:56 <xcamel> 'lo K
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19:51 <quail> re 'morning
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19:56 <xcamel> long, but worth it.
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20:38 <MTughan> xcamel: One thing. They say he never put out an ounce of pollution? But where does the electricity come from?
20:38 <PovAddict> trees
20:39 <MTughan> I'll admit, that's damn cool and progressive, but I don't like misleading info.
20:39 <MTughan> Heh.
20:39 <PovAddict> same place as money
20:39 <MTughan> In the US, it's more than likely coming from coal.
20:57 <quail> or nucular
21:03 <xcamel> coal, hydro, nukes, nat gas, solar, wind, hydrothermal, could be anywhere...
21:03 <MTughan> Coal's still the big one.
21:04 <quail> yeah
21:04 <quail> they want to build couple nucular power stations here in AU
21:10 <xcamel> modern nukes are probably the best option going - especially PBR's (look it up)
21:11 <MTughan> At least at this point, they're the only major thing that can replace coal.
21:12 <PovAddict> according to wikipedia, PBR stands for two dozen things
21:13 <Romulus> Title: Pebble bed reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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23:14 <wdsmia> yawn
23:33 <quail> 'noon