IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-12-07

00:00 <efc> Maybe for some tasks I've never been involved with

00:01 <efc> and suddenly I'm out of work

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01:42 <MTughan> O_O Watching an early iPhone crack-apart... He's trying to pry off the backside, and found the battery. Also let out the magic smoke...

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01:48 <quail> 'noon all

01:49 <MTughan> 'lo quail

01:49 <quail> how are we all?

01:49 <MTughan> Getting late here...

01:50 <efc> moo quail

01:50 * Tank_Master is peachy

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02:05 <quail> :-)

02:06 * quail trying to work out why I have no IPv6 connections internally

02:16 <Tank_Master> no ipv6 dhcp?

02:25 <efc> Other PC is still decoding away

02:25 <efc> Weirdly enough, it seems to hardly touch my network

02:39 <efc> This PC ran out of work, and its starting to get cold

02:40 <Tank_Master> bummer

02:40 <Tank_Master> its getting cold outside here

02:42 <efc> 68.2 F inside

02:45 <quail> &wx ypad

02:45 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 66°F / 19°C | Humidity: 46% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 22mph / 35km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM CST; Clear. High:66 F. / 19 C.; Clear. Low:50 F. / 10 C.; Clear. High:77 F. / 25 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:59 F. / 15 C.; Chance of Rain. High:68 F. / 20 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:57 F. / 14 C.;

02:46 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

02:46 <Tank_Master> &more

02:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

02:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 38.8F / 3.8C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.97in / 1014.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Increasing clouds. A slight chance of rain after midnight. Lows in the 30s. Southwest wind 10 mph.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Highs around 50. West wind 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. A (1 more message)

02:46 <Tank_Master> &more

02:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: slight chance of showers in the evening. Lows 35 to 40. Light wind.;

02:46 <Tank_Master> &more

02:46 <Tank_Master> &more

02:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

02:46 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

02:46 <Tank_Master> lows in the 30s is kinda braud

02:47 <efc> &wx 30625

02:47 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 36F / 2C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1016hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.; Fire Weather Warning for (1 more message)

02:47 <Tank_Master> how about "highs will be higher than the lows"?

02:47 <efc> Average will be below average

02:47 <efc> &wx Yakutsk

02:47 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -44°F / -42°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 4:30 PM YAKT; Overcast. High:-32 F. / -36 C.; Overcast. Low:-34 F. / -37 C.; Overcast. High:-29 F. / -34 C.; Overcast. Low:-40 F. / -40 C.; Overcast. High:-32 F. / -36 C.; Overcast. Low:-40 F. / -40 C.;

03:05 <MTughan> &wx Alert, NU

03:06 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

03:06 <MTughan> Nice...

03:06 <MTughan> &wx Alert, Nunavut

03:06 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: -27°F / -33°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM MST; Scattered Clouds. High:-18 F. / -28 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:-20 F. / -29 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:-16 F. / -27 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:-20 F. / -29 C.; Overcast. High:-15 F. / -26 C.; (1 more message)

03:06 <Tank_Master> heh

03:06 <MTughan> Still not as cold there, but I don't want to be in either place.

03:06 <Tank_Master> better than "Error: No Error"

03:06 <MTughan> For sure... :P

03:07 <MTughan> rofl...

03:07 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

03:07 <Tank_Master> holy ** -44f?

03:07 <Tank_Master> and fog?

03:07 <Tank_Master> how can fog even form at that temp? :P

03:08 <MTughan> Some a$$hole is blowing a horn and shouting at 3AM...

03:23 <MTughan> Well, I'm going to try and at least get some sleep tonight... Night TM.

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03:25 <Tank_Master> gn MT

03:25 <Tank_Master> yoyo is here, I best head to bed

03:28 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

03:28 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

03:28 <yoyo[RKN]> 9:30am

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04:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 19.9F / -6.7C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.7mph / 2.7km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy with scattered snow showers. Lows 15 to 20. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Sunday - Becoming partly sunny. A chance of flurries in the morning. Highs in the (1 more message)

04:14 <CoderForLife> &more

04:14 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mid 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly cloudy. A slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Lows 15 to 20. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.;

04:16 <efc> just about out of work, might as well pack it in

04:16 <CoderForLife> gn efc

04:16 <efc> Night cfl

04:16 <efc> 19.9, yuck

04:17 <efc> its getting noticeably colder with idle CPUs

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04:17 <CoderForLife> I was just checking out why the house was so warm

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08:10 <xcamel> 'lo

08:18 <xcamel> what is with this 'high wind warning' crap..

08:26 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:26 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 25.0F / -3.9C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.70in / 1005.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Light snow likely this morning...then snow showers likely this afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Blustery with highs in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph...increasing to west 15 to 25 mph with (2 more messages)

08:26 <xcamel> &more

08:26 <Romulus> xcamel: gusts up to 60 mph this afternoon. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A chance of snow showers in the evening. Lows around 7 above. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 60 mph...decreasing to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; High Wind Warning for (1 more message)

08:26 <xcamel> &more

08:26 <Romulus> xcamel: Saratoga County in effect until 4:00 AM EST on December 08, 2008;

08:27 <quail> look at the crap they government is trying to get pasted here =>

08:27 <Romulus> <> (at

08:30 <xcamel> no, that doesn't sound good..

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08:41 <quail> xcamel: if the law is passed I am selling up and leaving aust.

08:42 <quail> xcamel: I'll come over to the US there and crash in your barn :-P

08:43 <xcamel> they propose the same crap here all the time, and give it pretty names like "net neutrality"

08:51 <xcamel> wind chill tonight below 0F

09:12 <xcamel> quiet this morning

09:14 <quail> yes

09:18 <CoderForLife> re-hi

09:19 <xcamel> barometer down to 29.69

09:19 <CoderForLife> yawn - I've been reading IRS publication 547

09:20 <CoderForLife> I'm going to need a tax attorney, else I'll just make my best stab at it

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09:23 <xcamel> deducting losses - oh joy

09:24 <CoderForLife> yeah, trying to figure out how to account for and partially pay for the wall

09:24 <xcamel> your AGI might be above the limits of making this claim.

09:26 <CoderForLife> I haven't seen that - the only reference to AGI is that they reduce your loss by 10% of AGI and $100

09:26 <xcamel> you could argue that without this repair the loss would have been the entire house.

09:26 <CoderForLife> indeed

09:26 <xcamel> proactive mitigation

09:27 <CoderForLife> The IRS form is all about Fair Market Value, while the tax law allows FMV or repair cost considerations, taxpayer choice

09:27 <xcamel> iirc, it was not an insured loss, correct?

09:27 <CoderForLife> right

09:27 <CoderForLife> specifically excluded from coverage

09:28 <xcamel> it has to be in excess of 15% of your AGI (you need to check this)

09:28 <CoderForLife> I haven't seen that number in my reserach

09:28 <xcamel> hold on..

09:29 <CoderForLife> form 4684 doesn't have that as a factor

09:29 <xcamel> "The major limitation is that total home losses generally are allowable only to the extent they exceed ten percent of adjusted gross income, the amount listed on the last line of the first page of the 1040 form. The general rule is subject to an exception. No reductions of $100 or ten percent for home losses caused by Hurricanes Katrina, Rita and Wilma that battered the Gulf Coast in 2005."

09:30 <CoderForLife> yup

09:30 <CoderForLife> >10% AGI less $100

09:30 <xcamel> you will have had to itemize in the prior year.

09:30 <CoderForLife> "check"

09:30 <xcamel> I never get to deduct anything

09:30 <CoderForLife> lol

09:31 <xcamel> subchapter "s" income

09:31 <CoderForLife> yeah

09:32 <xcamel> see for a good, but simple rundown

09:32 <Romulus> <> (at

09:32 <CoderForLife> so my loss would flow onto Schedule A

09:32 * xcamel hates the taxman

09:32 <CoderForLife> turnabout is fair play - the taxman hates you

09:33 <CoderForLife> "it's time to get in the game, help America to get out of the rut"

09:33 <xcamel>,,id=108362,00.html

09:33 <Romulus> <> (at

09:33 <CoderForLife> I already had that page up =)

09:34 <xcamel> ok..

09:35 <xcamel> demo derby going on this am

09:36 <CoderForLife> My basic confusion is that form 4684 is about FMV considerations, when several federal real estate tax law references indicate that you can do it based upon FMV (which is subjective) or the cost of repairs (objective, supported by receipts and engineering specs)

09:36 <xcamel> "big blow" later..

09:36 <CoderForLife> yeah, you're in for it later

09:36 <xcamel> use the documented costs

09:37 <CoderForLife> thart's what I intend to do, just don't know how to fill out form 4684 in that case

09:37 <xcamel> (which includes interest to date on the loan)

09:37 <CoderForLife> Ooo interesting thought

09:38 <xcamel> unless it's considered a '2nd' which is already deductable

09:38 <CoderForLife> there's 4 lines of credit going ATM

09:39 <CoderForLife> one is home equity, one is a loan against the profit sharing plan at w@#%, and 2 are credit card lines

09:40 <xcamel> the HE is automatic

09:41 <xcamel> the PS loan is taxable

09:41 <CoderForLife> home equity interest is on Sch A, the interest on the PSP loan is being paid back to me

09:41 <xcamel> the CC loans are administered by Mr Ben Dova

09:41 <CoderForLife> lol

09:41 <CoderForLife> yup

09:42 <xcamel> if your score is good enough, you should roll them into the HE

09:42 <CoderForLife> I don't have enough equity to roll it all together

09:43 <xcamel> nutz.

09:43 <CoderForLife> my score is great

09:43 <CoderForLife> 803 last time I checked

09:43 <CoderForLife> like 99th percentile

09:43 <xcamel> wouldn't hurt to ask them to make a subordinate lone

09:44 <xcamel> er loan... {DUH}

09:44 <CoderForLife> lol

09:44 <CoderForLife> I would be the lone one they'd make

09:44 <CoderForLife> I'm waiting on this 4.5% fixed proposal

09:44 <xcamel> complete ReFi?

09:45 <CoderForLife> possibly, yes

09:45 <CoderForLife> I'm at 6%

09:45 <xcamel> income restriction, and your score it **too** good

09:45 <CoderForLife> it sux to be honest and hardworking

09:46 <xcamel> no good behavior goes unpunished.

09:46 <xcamel> try being an "evil corporate taskmaster"

09:46 <xcamel> damn good thing I have no debts.

09:47 <CoderForLife> If it wasn't for the wall, the only thing I'd have would be the mortgage

09:47 <CoderForLife> cars all paid off

09:47 <xcamel> indeed.

09:47 <CoderForLife> I'm on a cash basis on college tuition for Stephen

09:48 <CoderForLife> it's just The Wall right now

09:48 * CoderForLife thinks there must be a Pink Floyd song in here somewhere

09:49 <CoderForLife> I certainly can't find a pony in here

09:50 <xcamel> Roger Waters would be proud

09:50 <CoderForLife> they're going to start offering a Roth 401K at w@#% - I need to start that now to start the 5-year withdrawal timer

09:50 <xcamel> we have avoided that one...

09:51 <xcamel> too easy for people to get in more trouble.

09:51 <xcamel> bb after animal feed

09:51 <CoderForLife> tc

10:15 <PovAddict> <xcamel> they propose the same crap here all the time, and give it pretty names like "net neutrality"

10:15 <PovAddict> as far as I know, net neutrality is the opposite

10:15 <CoderForLife> morning PovAddict

10:16 <PovAddict> like, the new stupid laws try to get *rid* of net neutrality

10:16 <CoderForLife> bbiab

10:30 <PovAddict> <quail> if the law is passed I am selling up and leaving aust.

10:30 <PovAddict> quail: let your govt know that position of yours...

10:30 <PovAddict> not sure if they'd care but still...

10:31 <quail> PovAddict: they prob not, but thanks for thinking of me

10:33 <quail> PovAddict: I am little scared if this does pass through though

10:34 <quail> and I hear a test phase is starting the 24th this month

10:34 <PovAddict> oh what a timing

10:34 * quail sees that as intell gathering

10:34 <PovAddict> wonder if christmas e-card sites would get blocked

10:35 <quail> me too

10:35 <quail> PovAddict: great xmas present for the nation

10:52 <xcamel> back again

10:52 <quail> wb

10:53 <xcamel> bloody cold out

10:53 <xcamel> wind starting up too..

10:53 <quail> xcamel: it looks that way there

10:55 <quail> xcamel: but I bet crashing in your barn snuggled up in amongst the hay be warm ;-0

10:55 <xcamel> I doubt it..

10:56 <quail> oh

10:56 <xcamel> it's like -4C right now

10:56 <quail> oh

10:57 <quail> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.27-9-generic |  Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     E8200  @ 2.66GHz 1998.000 MHz | Bogomips: 10666.44 | Mem: 2865/3960M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 226.79G Free: 143.68G | Procs: 139 | Uptime: 7 days 14 hrs 7 mins 58 secs | Load: 0.32 0.30 0.27  | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 2.87G Out: 2.41G

10:58 <quail> Sensors: HDD:

10:58 <xcamel> Sysinfo for '': Linux running KDE 3.5.9-5.fc7 Fedora, CPU: AMD Opteron 248 at 2293 MHz (4586 bogomips), HD: 15/916GB, RAM: 1942/2025MB, 197 proc's, 9.2d up

10:59 <xcamel> spork >>

11:00 <xcamel> sheesh - almost forgot Perl Harbor Day

11:00 <PovAddict> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.24-22-generic running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: AMDAthlon64X2DualCore4200+ at 2200 MHz (4403 bogomips), , RAM: 1844/2013MB, 164 proc's, 2.16d up

11:00 <xcamel> brb - changing clients

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11:01 <PovAddict> my HD doesn't even show up

11:04 <CoderForLife> ashamed?

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11:06 <quail_linux> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.26-1-686 |  Pentium III (Coppermine) 996.694 MHz | Bogomips: 1995.55 | Mem: 435/504M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 9.03G Free: 7.97G | Procs: 52 | Uptime: 12 days 6 hrs 58 mins 24 secs | Load: 0.21 0.08 0.02  | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] (rev 15) | lo: In: 1.52M Out: 1.52M

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11:06 <CoderForLife> gesporkened

11:07 <quail_linux> this my server / firewall / gateway / router

11:07 <CoderForLife> your whole world

11:08 <quail_linux> CoderForLife: well it has a bit of crontrol of it

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11:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

11:09 <xcamel> wow.. bad time for someone to try to steal my nick

11:09 <xcamel> sheesh

11:09 *** xcamel sets mode: -o xcamel

11:10 <quail_linux> haha I like how my net stats using lo

11:11 * quail_linux guesses that cause all the nicks in this box

11:11 <CoderForLife> lunch - bbiab

11:11 <quail_linux> CoderForLife: kk, enjoy :-)

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11:34 <xcamel> need to warm the truck up a bit before getting feed :-(

11:34 <xcamel> now that wind is starting to bite

11:36 <quail> xcamel: sounds like a bad winter there

11:36 <xcamel> off to an interesting start...

11:37 <quail> kk

11:37 <quail> becareful xcamel

11:39 <xcamel> possible wind gust to 96.56064 kph

11:39 <xcamel> later..

11:40 <xcamel> guess I should go now....

11:40 <quail> xcamel: take it easy mate, ttys

11:55 <MTughan> 500K! Yeah, baby!

11:57 <PovAddict> >.<

11:59 <PovAddict>;991407.gif

11:59 <Romulus> <> (at

11:59 <MTughan> That doesn't include yesterday yet.

11:59 <PovAddict> my point is you still ain't catching me >:)

12:00 <MTughan> I think you might be surprised... My lappie is back on full ABC after a bout with Sudoku and others... >:D

12:00 <PovAddict> ABC?

12:00 <Romulus> Somebody said ABC is loading the core it's running on, PovAddict

12:00 * PovAddict slaps Romulus

12:00 <PovAddict> MTughan: that's unfair

12:00 <MTughan> How so?

12:00 <PovAddict> I really should get running

12:01 <quail>

12:01 <PovAddict> you'll beat me real soon

12:01 <PovAddict> D:

12:02 <wdsmia>;991407;100947.gif

12:02 <Romulus> <> (at

12:02 <quail> ay Doug

12:02 <MTughan> 4808 credits from ABC two days ago, and if the Internet weren't so f***ing slow today, I could show you what I have for yesterday too... >_<

12:02 <PovAddict> quail:

12:02 <wdsmia> *lo q

12:03 <quail> PovAddict: eep, that bad :-(

12:03 <PovAddict> quail: that's *fast* for me

12:03 <PovAddict> I had 512k not so long ago

12:04 <PovAddict> and hey, efc is on dialup :)

12:04 <quail> PovAddict: where are you again?

12:04 <PovAddict> he's worse than us

12:04 <PovAddict> Argentina

12:04 <quail> PovAddict: soon I will have no nets

12:04 <PovAddict> why

12:05 <quail> PovAddict: cause the nearest phone poll 160 meters away from the property

12:05 <PovAddict> :/

12:06 <quail> PovAddict: basically it going to cost to much to get the new property connected to the phone

12:06 <quail> PovAddict: so I working on other means of net connection via wifi

12:06 <MTughan> There, f***ing finally... 4800 credits from ABC two days ago, and at least 3520 yesterday.

12:06 <quail> and 3G

12:07 <quail> wdsmia: what been happening mate?

12:07 <wdsmia> just trying to stay warm

12:07 <quail> :-)

12:08 <quail> wdsmia: send some that coolness this way as it going to be a bad summer here this year

12:08 <wdsmia> I will send it but it may take 6 months to get there

12:09 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

12:09 <quail> hehe :-(, damn postal services :-P

12:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 18.2F / -7.7C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy with a 20 percent chance of snow. High in the mid 20s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow and patchy freezing (1 more message)

12:09 <wdsmia> &more

12:09 <Romulus> wdsmia: drizzle after midnight. Low around 20. Southeast wind 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Monday - Cloudy. A 30 percent chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. East wind 5 to 10 mph.; Winter Storm Watch for Polk County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 09, 2008;

12:10 <quail> &wx ypad

12:10 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 52°F / 11°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 3:30 AM CST; Clear. High:68 F. / 20 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:51 F. / 11 C.; Clear. High:78 F. / 26 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:62 F. / 17 C.; Chance of Rain. High:68 F. / 20 C.; Clear. Low:57 F. / 14 C.;

12:11 <PovAddict> MTughan:;9872.gif

12:11 <Romulus> <> (at

12:20 <MTughan> Grrr... I really want to kick the network administrator's ass around the globe. WTH have they done to the connections?!

12:21 <quail> MTughan: I am a good sys admin

12:23 <quail> MTughan: I get pissed off at the COs that tell me what I have to do unknowning what they asking me what to do

12:24 <MTughan> COs?

12:24 <quail> CO's = heads of office

12:32 <MTughan> Ah, there we go...

12:34 <quail> MTughan: wow you got goo upload speed

12:34 <MTughan> And that's even a little slower than normal.

12:36 <MTughan> And I think at these speeds, it's not the shared Internet connection(s), but the Ethernet connections they ran. Each room has two 10Mbit connections.

12:36 <MTughan> We share three devices on that one connection here. :P

12:37 <quail> MTughan: still not bad I wish I had the upload speed tho

12:38 <quail> damn it make all this cabling kicking under y feet more worth it

12:38 <MTughan> lol

12:39 <Tank_Master> yeah, thats a decent u/l

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12:39 <quail> MTughan: the new house tho I have couple rolls of cat5e for it on the the ready

12:40 <MTughan> Going gigabit?

12:40 * quail just has to get the room face plates

12:40 <quail> MTughan: no

12:40 <quail> MTughan: I can't afford to go gigabit

12:41 <MTughan> The switches aren't that expensive anymore.

12:41 <quail> but cat5e can handle gigabit tho

12:42 <quail> MTughan: I have got a couple rolls of cat5e for free

12:42 <MTughan> Nice...

12:42 <quail> MTughan: so I am going to work with what I got and get hold of

12:43 <quail> MTughan: /me is soo broke atm

12:43 <MTughan> Oops... :P

12:43 <quail> cause the new property

12:44 <quail> and I have a lot work head me, eg making horse yards and stables etc

12:45 <quail> MTughan: there be a big sign off party for me tho soon next year

12:45 <MTughan> Why?

12:46 <quail> MTughan: cause were I moving to it be only dialup, but cause the nearest phone pole 160 meters away it will cost to much to get phone connected

12:47 <MTughan> What about cable Internet?

12:47 <quail> MTughan: no go there cause I will be country

12:48 <quail> best I can get is satellite

12:48 <quail> or 3G mobile

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12:58 <MTughan> Interesting...

12:58 <Romulus> <> (at

12:58 <PovAddict> CSS failed to load

12:59 <MTughan> And images, I know.

12:59 <PovAddict> images?

12:59 <MTughan> Actually, just CSS. Nvm.

12:59 <MTughan> I was thinking background images, but they're in CSS.

13:07 <xcamel> wowza

13:09 <xcamel> wicked witch winds

13:15 <MTughan> All right, that's way too coincidental... Using a proxy server outside of the university works fine.

13:18 <ELGono> quail: you need long range wireless networks then

13:18 <ELGono> there have been some improvements

13:19 <ELGono> and a team here is working on a green pc with just 10-15W solar power.... 2 of these boxes as repeater and you doing fine ;)

13:26 <MTughan> PovAddict:;991407.gif

13:26 <Romulus> <> (at

13:31 <MTughan> BTW, according to BOINCStats, I'll now overtake you at 600K, on January 3rd.

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14:08 <xcamel> hmmm... where did the 6.4's go?

14:09 <PovAddict> 6.4.4 showing in that list

14:09 <Romulus> Title: Download BOINC client software (at

14:09 <xcamel> duh... looking in wrong spot.

14:09 <PovAddict> heh

14:12 <xcamel> we'll see how 6.4.4 does..

14:12 <xcamel> fired up ok

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14:40 <efc> need to make myself do the land search again.. maybe there's a deal. Doubt it though.

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14:45 <PovAddict> hey efc

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15:11 <efc> Moo Pov. I installed Pov.

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15:12 <efc> oops..

15:12 <efc> Moo Pov. I installed Pov.

15:13 <efc> Seems like a good CPU-chomping program.

15:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 12074

15:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 23.6F / -4.7C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Snow showers likely. Total snow accumulation around an inch. Blustery with highs in the lower 30s. West winds around 25 mph. Gusts up to 60 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A (1 more message)

15:13 <CoderForLife> &more

15:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of snow showers in the evening. Lows around 7 above. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 60 mph...decreasing to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; High Wind Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 4:00 AM EST on December 08, 2008;

15:13 <PovAddict> computer reset 2nd time today

15:13 <PovAddict> gonna get ice cream

15:16 * Tank_Master wants snow

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15:20 <efc> &wx 30625

15:20 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 54F / 12C | Humidity: 21% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the lower 50s. Northwest winds 10 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.; Monday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph.; Fire Weather Warning for Morgan (1 more message)

15:21 <efc> 54 my butt

15:27 <Tank_Master> heh

15:28 <Tank_Master> its 45 here

15:28 <Tank_Master> and rainy

15:28 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx berlin, germany

15:28 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:35 F. / 2 C.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F. / 4 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. Low:30 F. / -1 (1 more message)

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16:13 <mcgorny> Hi! I'm not sure whether this is the right place to ask, but I'm having some trouble getting boinc (compiled from source) working on fedora

16:13 <MTughan> mcgorny: What kinds of errors?

16:14 <mcgorny> when i try to start boincmgr, it tells me:

16:14 <mcgorny> connect: Connection refused

16:14 <mcgorny> execvp(/media/common/Development/boinc/clientgui/boinc, --redirectio, --launched_by_manager) failed with error 2!

16:14 <mcgorny> 11:13:47 PM: Error: Cannot get the official hostname (error 0: Success)

16:15 <MTughan> Hmm, that means it can't connect to the core client, although it seems to be a launching error...

16:15 <PovAddict> it can't connect to the client, because it failed to start it :)

16:16 <PovAddict> mcgorny: it won't work to run it from the source directory

16:16 <MTughan> But why, that's the question.

16:16 <PovAddict> 'boincmgr' expects 'boinc' to be in the same directory as it is

16:16 <PovAddict> boinc is in client, boincmgr is in clientgui

16:16 <MTughan> Ah, that'd do it...

16:17 <PovAddict> either way, it's a bad idea to try running boinc from the source dir, you will get a mess with the data files and the source files in the same place

16:17 <mcgorny> ok yep didn't notice that

16:17 <PovAddict> cd /media/common/Development/boinc; mkdir test-run; cp client/boinc clientgui/boincmgr test-run; cd test-run; ./boincmgr

16:18 <xcamel> a) better to run the prebuilt version

16:18 <xcamel> 2) thing work well when boinc has it's own dir

16:19 <xcamel> otherwise you get a big mess

16:19 <PovAddict> I have accidentally run the core client from the source dir, and it did make a mess

16:20 <PovAddict> hard to untangle all the .xmls it creates from the source files

16:21 <xcamel> was there a specific reason for 'build from source' ???

16:22 <mcgorny> ok even with a separate dir, i get 'Error: cannot get the official hostname' as console output every second, but nevermind that

16:23 <PovAddict> I remember someone who had that error before, could never reproduce it

16:23 <mcgorny> xcamel: last time the packaged version didn't work for some reason + might want to tinker with the source

16:23 <xcamel> what version, and what part didn't work?

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16:25 <xcamel> I thought that hostname error was fixed long ago

16:27 <xcamel> I just loaded up 6.4.4 and it's kicking along nicely

16:27 <xcamel> graphics and all

16:27 <PovAddict> have you tried a GPU app?

16:28 <xcamel> no gpu's to mess with

16:37 <MTughan> Hehe... Suggestion from my roommate. Check the headers returned from any pages on for Disclaimer. :P

16:44 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:44 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 21.4F / -5.9C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with scattered snow showers this evening... then mostly clear after midnight. Blustery with lows 5 to 10 above. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 40 mph...increasing to 50 mph this (2 more messages)

16:44 <xcamel> &more

16:44 <Romulus> xcamel: evening...then decreasing to 35 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy in the evening...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow after midnight. Lows around 15. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Wind Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 AM (1 more message)

16:44 <xcamel> &more

16:44 <Romulus> xcamel: EST on December 08, 2008;

16:45 <xcamel> jack frost on steroids

16:45 <yoyo[RKN]> can somebody connect here ?

16:45 <Romulus> Title: Odd Perfect Number Search (at

16:48 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: Even loading in a web browser, I get a network timeout.

16:49 <yoyo[RKN]> same here

16:50 <MTughan> Seems someone cheaped out on it. The site's just a title and a frameset with a link into Earthlink.

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16:53 <xcamel> friggin burrrr...

16:53 <xcamel> what's the temp there, Mike?

16:54 <MTughan> -12C/10.4F. I'm glad for the lappies.

16:54 <xcamel> cripes.

16:54 <MTughan> &wx YOW

16:54 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 10°F / -12°C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1012hPa | Conditions: Low Drifting Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM EST; Tonight - Clearing early this evening. Wind northeast 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming west 20 km/h (12 mph) this evening. Low -21C(-6F). Wind chill -30.; Monday - Sunny. Wind west 20 km/h (12 (1 more message)

16:54 <MTughan> &more

16:54 <Romulus> MTughan: mph) becoming light in the morning. High -13C(8F). Wind chill -30 in the morning. Monday night increasing cloudiness. 40 percent chance of flurries late in the evening and overnight. Snow beginning overnight. Amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Temperature rising to -10C(14F) by morning.; Tuesday - Snow. High 0C(32F).;

16:55 <xcamel> at least you have a bit less wind

17:01 <xcamel> and it's not even "winter" yet.

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17:41 <CoderForLife> re-hi

17:41 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

17:41 <CoderForLife> how you holding up, xcamel?

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17:41 <CoderForLife> hey Michael

17:42 <xcamel> plenty warm inside...

17:42 <MTughan> Holy crap, the temp is plummeting tonight... Down to -14C/7F now.

17:42 <MTughan> Good thing we closed the window.

17:43 <CoderForLife> what's been your max wind gust so far Jay?

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17:46 <xcamel> 43mph

17:46 <CoderForLife> that's pretty stiff

17:46 <xcamel> but the anemometer is in a bad spot

17:48 <xcamel> snow blowing by looks like a friggin blizzard

17:48 <CoderForLife> no doubt

17:49 <xcamel> >> 'Chemical Ali' sentenced Ali Hassan al-Majid, a cousin of Saddam's who is known as Chemical Ali, was sentenced to death for a second time Tuesday for his part in crushing a Shiite uprising in 1991.

17:49 <xcamel> why is this monster still breathing?

17:49 <CoderForLife> I was just going to say...

17:50 <xcamel>

17:50 <Romulus> <> (at

17:50 <xcamel> brb

17:50 <PovAddict> so many people die when they don't deserve it

17:50 <PovAddict> and that kind of bastards stay around

17:50 <PovAddict> -.-'

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18:01 <PovAddict> "I love Thanksgiving turkey; it's the only time in Los Angeles that you see natural breasts."

18:01 <MTughan> rofl

18:01 <xcamel> good one..

18:01 <xcamel> never a lack of "fat thighs" though...

18:03 <xcamel> bbl..

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18:36 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

18:36 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM KST; Chance of Rain. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Clear. Low:41 F. / 5 C.; Clear. High:59 F. / 15 C.; Clear. Low:44 F. / 7 C.; Clear. High:57 F. / 14 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:42 F. / 6 C.;

18:37 <KathrynM> guess our cold snap is over

18:57 <PovAddict> efc: did you do anything with POV yet?

18:57 <efc> Rendered some biscuits

18:59 <PovAddict> did you RTFM yet?

18:59 <efc> There's a FM ?

18:59 <PovAddict> there's quite a complete FM

19:00 <efc> I have a feeling what I want to do is going to take a lot of effort and I haven't had several hours to dedicate to it yet

19:00 <PovAddict> make a RSOCP for a start...

19:01 <efc> What I want is probably simple if I knew what I was doing - one parabolic mirror, one flat, a lens or two

19:01 <PovAddict> Reflective Sphere Over Checkered Plane

19:02 <PovAddict> a common step after that is making your own creative RSOCP variation and posting it on the forum :P

19:03 <PovAddict> <- this one was quite amusing

19:03 <Romulus> <> (at

19:03 <PovAddict> looks like a lot of work

19:04 <efc> I suppose people share the sources for common items, objects etc?

19:04 <PovAddict> the community for that isn't too organized

19:04 <PovAddict> there is

19:04 <PovAddict> and well, random scripts in people's personal websites, or scattered in the newsgroup

19:06 <efc> Ha, nice sphere under construction

19:07 <PovAddict> his combination of radiosity, focal blur, and area light caused a 44-hour render

19:09 <efc> World's largest collection of spheres, coffee cups, and checkerboards

19:14 <PovAddict> render scenes/advanced/cliche/cliche.pov

19:16 <efc> Parse error

19:17 <PovAddict> ah, it uses an image you have to render first... it's the other .pov file in the same dir

19:17 <efc> oh, i had to render sign, gotcha

19:17 <efc> Haha

19:17 * efc goes for 1280x1024 AA version of that

19:18 <efc> Too bad I can't farm out the work to my humble little cluster here..

19:22 <PovAddict> with the beta version at least you could use multiple cores from a single machine

19:23 <PovAddict> at the cost of radiosity working horribly bad, and other bugs

19:23 <efc> I thought ray tracing was one of the most parallel friendly jobs around?

19:23 <PovAddict> the basic algorithm can be parallelized at the pixel level

19:24 <PovAddict> add antialiasing, and you need to split into bigger tiles, and you get some overhead

19:25 <PovAddict> raytracing is a parallel-friendly job

19:25 <PovAddict> POV-Ray wasn't thread-friendly code...

19:25 <efc> I'd think the AA is done at the scene level and wouldn't amount to much compared to the ray tracing..

19:25 <PovAddict> AA involves shooting more rays :)

19:27 <efc> Ah, so its not the usual basic blur the whole scene thing

19:27 <PovAddict> render px 0, store it; render px 1, if it differs from px0 more than a threshold, render px 0.5 too and do some averaging

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19:46 <pitang1> hello

19:46 <pitang1> anyone here running boinc on Linux?

19:47 <pitang1> I've been trying to connect to a boinc remote client through boinc manager, but it's been a hell

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19:59 <xcamel> back for a bit

20:06 <efc> Hey Pov, what does retozaba mean? (I may not want to know)

20:09 <PovAddict> got any context?

20:09 <efc> Google tried translating but wouldn't touch that word

20:10 <PovAddict> it's a conjugated verb

20:11 <PovAddict> infinitive is "retozar"

20:11 <efc> to frolic or cavort, that sounds about right

20:11 <efc> There's some spanish TV show I'm looking at

20:11 <PovAddict> I don't know either of those English words

20:11 <efc> Mmm, like, to play around or flirt, a nonspecific sexual connotation

20:12 <efc>

20:12 <Romulus> Title: Plutón BRB Nero - La serie de Álex de la Iglesia en La 2 de TVE - Plutón Verbenero (at

20:12 <efc> Its rated age 7, don't think it could be too bad :)

20:12 <xcamel> "roughhousing" for kids

20:13 <PovAddict> then maybe it didn't have sexual connotation

20:14 <efc> oh, I'm pretty sure it did

20:14 <xcamel>

20:14 <Romulus> <> (at

20:14 <PovAddict> hence my asking for context :)

20:14 <xcamel> World's first personal supercomputer unveiled

20:14 <xcamel> The world's first personal supercomputer, which is 250 times faster than the average PC, has been unveiled.

20:14 <xcamel> lol..

20:15 <PovAddict> uh, nVidia already had a Tesla GPU

20:15 <PovAddict>

20:15 <Romulus> Title: Nvidia Tesla - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

20:15 <Tank_Master> its just a frikin GPU, isnt it?

20:16 <PovAddict> I don't see how this is news

20:16 <PovAddict> the "Tesla Personal Supercomputer" is a PC with a Tesla GPU on it

20:16 <PovAddict> BFD

20:16 <efc> Don't say I didn't warn you. "El Capitn Valladares es esta vez sorprendido por su mujer, Merche, mientras retozaba en su habitculo con la androide Lorna."

20:16 <Tank_Master> perhaps more orented at crunching than rendering

20:16 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: yes, the Tesla GPU doesn't have video outputs!

20:17 <xcamel> quad cpu, quad gpu, no video.

20:17 <xcamel> brilliant.

20:17 <efc> They probably use a ATI Rage Pro for that :P

20:18 <Tank_Master> can BOINC use the tesla?

20:18 <Tank_Master> :P

20:19 <PovAddict> probably

20:19 <PovAddict> ask in the gpugrid forum

20:20 <PovAddict> "To use multiple GPUs, under Vista each additional GPU must have a desktop extended onto it. This means for now tesla is not available under Vista, only GeForce and Quadro cards. XP will still work fine on tesla C870 and D870."

20:20 <PovAddict> "Yes, we do support tesla units too, but they are not faster than graphics cards."

20:22 <Tank_Master> and are much cheeper

20:23 <Tank_Master> oh, and the latest beta drivers apprently dosent need the desktop extended to it anymore

20:23 <PovAddict> those were old forum posts

20:23 <Tank_Master> its cuda 2.1

20:23 <Tank_Master> yeah

20:23 <Tank_Master> but this is recent, I dont kow if anyone in the forums has mentioned it yet

20:24 <PovAddict> not the supercomputer

20:24 <PovAddict> they mentioned the GPU

20:24 <xcamel> remember... that story was from the UK

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20:25 <Tank_Master> hnce the Looser money they use

20:26 <Tank_Master> its funy they call them super computers

20:26 <Tank_Master> when they really arent

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20:27 <xcamel>

20:27 <Romulus> <> (at

20:27 <xcamel> Save the National Money Hole!

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20:30 <PovAddict>

20:30 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:58 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:46 <MTughan> Well, we're under 0F now... -18C/-0.4F.

22:49 <MTughan> The window's quite cold...

22:50 <Soul_keeper> go skinny dipping

22:50 <MTughan> lol

22:50 <Soul_keeper> they got a group that does that, think they call themselves   the polar bear club

22:51 <Soul_keeper> do it !

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23:59 <quail_linux> 'noon all

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