IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-12-10

00:11 <MTughan> &xkcd

00:11 <Romulus>

00:11 <MTughan>

00:11 <Romulus> <> (at

00:16 <sethy>

00:16 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

00:17 <MTughan> I saw that one too, but sort of decided against posting it... :P

00:18 <sethy> i just did

00:18 <MTughan> Judging from the blue underlined text behind your name, you did.

00:19 <sethy> ...

00:20 <sethy> anyway i'm going to try get some shuteye gotta be up in 1h40m

00:20 <MTughan> "Many scientists believe that red meat allowed our ancestors to develop the powerful brains that we use today." Does that mean vegan's are dumber?

00:20 <sethy> yes^^

00:20 <MTughan> lol... Night sethy.

00:23 <Tank_Master> MT!

00:23 <MTughan> 'lo TM

00:23 <MTughan> Notice our "initials" are opposites? :P

00:23 <Tank_Master> yeah

00:23 <Tank_Master> hehe

00:25 <MTughan> Pov posted this in another channel earlier:

00:25 <Romulus> <> (at

00:26 <MTughan> Oh, he posted it here earlier too... Well, there it is in case you missed it.

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04:04 <KathrynM> woot!  got some simap resends

04:26 <CoderForLife> woot

04:43 <CoderForLife> if I knew what a simap was, I could get even more excited

04:44 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:37 <Tank_Master> heh

05:44 <xcamel> lol

05:44 <xcamel> 7f yesterday... 52F now

05:54 <Tank_Master> 7f?

05:54 <Tank_Master> toasty?

05:54 <Tank_Master> :P

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06:09 <CoderForLife> I think that's 0x7F - hexadecimal

06:10 <CoderForLife> back to the salt mine

06:10 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:23 <PovAddict> I dont want to go :(

06:24 <hawmps> ip kill

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08:28 <hawmps> &wx 12020

08:28 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 51.2°F / 10.7°C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain. Highs in the lower 50s. Temperature falling into the upper 30s this afternoon. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming northwest 5 to 10 mph this afternoon. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; (2 more messages)

08:28 <hawmps> &more

08:28 <Romulus> hawmps: Tonight - A chance of freezing rain. Sleet and rain likely in the evening...then a chance of sleet and snow after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow and sleet in the afternoon. Much cooler with highs in the lower 30s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Winter (1 more message)

08:29 <hawmps> &more

08:29 <Romulus> hawmps: Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on December 12, 2008;

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09:57 <PovAdct_w>

09:57 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #286627 (at

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10:18 <hawmps> tomorrow is starting to look a bit nasty...

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11:02 <MTughan> Well, the new MacBooks at least still have GPUs with bad solder balls.

11:02 <Romulus> <> (at

11:03 <Tank_Master> mac book have bad balls?

11:04 <MTughan> You can say that... >_>

11:04 <MTughan> Dell and HP have the problem too, it was just recently reproven on a MacBook Pro.

11:06 <Tank_Master> ahh

11:07 <Tank_Master> Id have to get a laptop with bad balls

11:11 <PovAdct_w> o.o

11:11 <Tank_Master> hate*

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11:32 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

11:32 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

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11:44 <eidolon> hi folks - my team has been jump-started, and BOINCstats has showed we've basically quadrupled our credit - but the 'Position' and 'Position change' continue to deteriorate, at the same rate as it was before we upped our contributors.  can someone help explain that?

11:44 <eidolon>

11:44 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:46 <yoyo[RKN]> lol eidolon

11:46 <eidolon> ?

11:47 <yoyo[RKN]> only 5 active member

11:47 <Tank_Master> I have more credit than your entier team!

11:47 <yoyo[RKN]> oh, Tank_Master is already here

11:47 <Tank_Master> :P

11:47 <Tank_Master> yeah

11:47 <eidolon> yes, only 5 active members.

11:47 <eidolon> your point?

11:48 <Tank_Master> I was here b4 you joined

11:48 <yoyo[RKN]> I was at work

11:48 <Tank_Master> that I have more points?

11:48 <Tank_Master> I was sleeping

11:48 <eidolon> i'm wondering if the stats being generated at the bottom there are using RAC instead of instant credit to calculate or something.

11:48 <yoyo[RKN]> 2 days left to work this year

11:48 <Tank_Master> I didnt go to be till about 4AM

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11:49 <Tank_Master> bed*

11:50 <eidolon> so... any ideas on the stats oddity?

11:51 <Tank_Master> they looked fine to me

11:51 <eidolon> right, but note the change in daily credit over the last week.  went from 400 to > 2000

11:51 <eidolon> but i'm still losing the same number of positions.

11:52 <Tank_Master> just means others are climbing faster

11:52 <eidolon> (ala, last 24 hours i dropped 3)

11:52 <eidolon> seems odd that i'd be losing ground as fast even though i'm doing 3x as much processing.

11:52 <Tank_Master> I see that all the time on my own stats

11:52 <Tank_Master> I happen to have a really good day and I still loose points

11:53 <yoyo[RKN]> you are running the wrong projects, eidolon ;) ;)

11:53 <eidolon> yoyo[RKN]: what does that have to do with the stats problem?

11:54 <yoyo[RKN]> in your stats list of projects, there are the wrong projects in

11:54 <yoyo[RKN]> at least from my perspective

11:54 <Tank_Master> boinc 6.4.5 is out

11:54 <eidolon> is that personal opinion on what you'd like to see things computing for, or is it relevant to the problem i'm tryign to figure out?

11:55 <Tank_Master> you should run the project yoyo

11:55 <Tank_Master> :P

11:55 <yoyo[RKN]> :)

11:55 <yoyo[RKN]> \o/

11:56 <eidolon> ah i see.

11:56 <eidolon> i need to do all sorts of maintenance on my projects and logins - somehow i managed to fork my userid's - and i'm contributing to 2 different login names :(

11:56 * eidolon is amazingly cluelessly out of date on boinc tech.

12:06 <MTughan> eidolon:

12:06 <Romulus> <> (at

12:06 <MTughan> Even using your RAC proper (probably about 2500), there's still many more teams poised to overtake you than you overtake them.

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12:15 <Ken69267> how do I kill a boinc task with boinc_cmd?

12:16 <MTughan> Abort a workunit?

12:17 <MTughan> boinc_cmd --result <url> <result_name> abort

12:17 <Ken69267> I tried that

12:17 <Ken69267> perhaps I have result_name wrong

12:17 <MTughan> Apparently... I just looked that up, never tried it myself.

12:18 <MTughan> Just going to take an example from my own stack: abc_wu_21201251398000_9079000_0

12:18 <Ken69267> seems to have no effect

12:18 <Ken69267> bleh

12:19 <MTughan> Worked here.

12:19 <MTughan> At least using suspend and resume.

12:20 <Ken69267> how'd you get the name of the result to terminate?

12:20 <MTughan> I run the graphical BOINC manager on another machine, so I got it from there. Just looking for how to get it through boinc_cmd now.

12:21 <MTughan> --get_results shows all WUs on a system. I don't know if there's any way to get just the WUs for one project.

12:22 <Ken69267> I tried the name that gives

12:22 <Ken69267> grr

12:22 <MTughan> Maybe it's not all showing? Try expanding the column in the manager.

12:22 <MTughan> Oh, sorry... You got that from boinc_cmd. Nvm.

12:23 <Ken69267> yeah, can't run graphical

12:23 <Ken69267> wtf, I see

12:23 <MTughan> You can run graphical on another machine too, if that helps.

12:23 <Ken69267> I needed a / on the url

12:23 * Ken69267 stabs boinc_cmd

12:23 <MTughan> Ah... That'd do it.

12:24 <Ken69267> MTughan: thanks for the help

12:24 <MTughan> --get_project_status shows all the URLs too.

12:25 <MTughan> np, although I don't think I really did anything. ;)

12:25 <Ken69267> I don't type trailing /'s out of habit

12:25 <MTughan> Heh. Just takes a bit of getting used to.

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13:09 <eidolon> MTughan: that's fascinating.  thank you.

13:10 <MTughan> Oh, and I've overtaken you now. :P

13:10 <eidolon> heh.

13:10 <eidolon> a lot of my clients shut down - i'm tryint to revive them.  i had a pretty high world position at one point (660-ish).  wanna regain the former glory :)

13:11 <MTughan> In total credit?

13:11 <eidolon> i think so yes.

13:12 <eidolon> ahh, 2 more quad core machines coming online today.  good.

13:12 <MTughan> More than I can muster at this point...

13:12 <eidolon> most of these are folks who used to contribute but dropped off for a while.  i've been running a long time :)

13:13 <MTughan> Oh, in your team?

13:13 <eidolon> yep

13:14 <eidolon> (me personally too - actually, i have a problem that my most recent machines are not recording onto my login - they made another one.  so my personal stuff is showing up under 2 logins :(

13:15 <MTughan> Looking at a new quad-core over the holidays, but that's it.

13:16 * eidolon nodidties.

13:16 <MTughan> Hopefully, I'll get a nice video card to run GPUGRID on though.

13:16 <eidolon> yeah, see, well.  i just slime off my friends to join my team.  and. um. use work computers.

13:16 * eidolon coughs.

13:16 <MTughan> Heh.

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13:25 <zibri> This is the right place for a seti@home specific question?

13:25 <MTughan> Probably as close as you're going to get.

13:25 <zibri> ok..

13:26 <zibri> I don't recieve work at all from seti@home at one of my laptops.

13:26 <zibri> I do recieve work from lhc@home, and i do recieve work at my other two seti@home clients

13:26 <MTughan> Are there any error messages in the Messages tab?

13:27 <zibri> yes.. a lot of "backing off" messages, for setiathome_enhanced

13:27 <zibri> it did compute one job before starting to fail (i just recently added it)

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13:37 <MTughan_> Sorry about that... Seemed to have network issues.

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13:38 <zibri> oh, i see.. any ideas?

13:38 <MTughan> zibri: Last thing I asked was if you were known as "zibri" on SETI. I don't know if you responded, I didn't see anything afterwards.

13:38 <MTughan> At least you're still here. :P

13:38 <zibri> MTughan: nah, didn't recieve the message. but no, i am olof.johansson at seti@home

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13:52 <zibri> MTughan_: seems serious

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14:00 <Tank_Master> howdy MT

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15:28 <MTughan_> Back. And I know what happened now.

15:29 <MTughan_> I didn't realize it before, but he was actually trying to use my server as a proxy, but he didn't use the right port.

15:29 <MTughan_> As for the disconnects... I don't know.

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15:33 <MTughan> Seems the commands he used don't work in Apache anyway, so that's good.

15:34 <MTughan> Nice... He's also hit my server numerous times since July.

15:40 <zibri> MTughan: ok.. connection stable now, then? :)

15:40 <Tank_Master> congratz to him

15:40 <MTughan> Hopefully. Not sure what was going on... Oh, I know now.

15:40 <MTughan> Computing services was doing some ISP switching. :D

15:40 <zibri> ah, that can cause problems ;)

15:41 <MTughan> Today, from 8AM-10AM: "CCS will be performing maintenance to replace the Atria connection (Telecom Ottawa) with Telus.  During this 2-hour window, Internet traffic will be automatically rerouted to a secondary Internet Connection and as a result no impact is expected."

15:41 <MTughan> No impact, eh?

15:42 <zibri> :)

15:42 <zibri> MTughan: did you get my reply earlier?

15:42 <Tank_Master> nope

15:42 <zibri> 19:38:45 < zibri> MTughan: nah, didn't recieve the message. but no, i am olof.johansson at seti@home

15:42 <Tank_Master> thats why they are broadcasting the message

15:42 <MTughan> I did see that, and I said I found the machines.

15:42 <MTughan> Not much help there though... As you said, no WUs being downloaded. :P

15:42 <zibri> MTughan: that i did not recieve.

15:43 <MTughan> Yeah, seems I was disconnected 4 minutes after.

15:43 <MTughan> Oh, that'd explain other stuff... Someone was trying to use my server as a proxy.

15:43 <MTughan> Spork >>

15:43 <Tank_Master> haha

15:44 <MTughan> Same person I said was hitting since July, but you didn't get my response before, so it wouldn't have made any sense.

15:45 <MTughan> He was always getting 405 Not Allowed errors though, so he never got through. Didn't seem to deter him though.

15:45 <zibri> MTughan: stubborn bot or stupid human. :)

15:46 <MTughan> Either way, I don't need it.

15:47 <MTughan> Odd... Reverse DNS puts it as

15:48 <zibri> MTughan: hahahah :D

15:48 <zibri> MTughan: it's harmless. just trying to see if you are a public proxy

15:48 <MTughan> Yeah, so I see... Kind of disconcerting.

15:51 <zibri> personally i like the requests for /phpMyAdmin-<version>, with incremental requests for different versions :)

15:52 <MTughan> PovAddict said there was someone hitting his server for different versions of phpMyAdmin a couple days ago. Put the IP in his browser, found a low-security router. xD

15:52 <MTughan> Default passwords and everything.

15:52 <Tank_Master> nice

15:53 <zibri> not for me, but it's probably the same bot

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16:02 <PovAddict> zibri... name sounds familiar

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16:03 <zibri> ok. but's it's not the italian apple fanboy who plays around with iphones....

16:03 <PovAddict> ah good :D

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16:04 <zibri> :)

16:07 <xcamel> rell-rho

16:08 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

16:08 <xcamel> 'lo Mike

16:08 <MTughan> I put a spork above, but don't follow it. Didn't realize it was harmless.

16:09 <xcamel> oh great... possible ice storm..

16:14 <xcamel> coastal mess getting all whupped up..

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16:19 <PovAddict> what the...

16:19 <PovAddict> "Just browsing CPU list of BOINC crunchers: IntelZilog(C) Z80H CPU 4.00MHz!!"

16:20 <MTughan> That was on the shoutbox probably about a day ago...

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16:26 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:26 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 33.4°F / 0.8°C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Rain. Highs in the lower 50s. Temperature falling into the upper 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph...becoming northwest. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of freezing rain and sleet. (2 more messages)

16:26 <xcamel> &more

16:26 <Romulus> xcamel: Rain likely in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 60 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow and sleet in the afternoon. Much cooler with highs in the lower 30s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 1:00 PM (1 more message)

16:26 <xcamel> &more

16:26 <Romulus> xcamel: EST on December 12, 2008;

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16:27 <xcamel> bleah..

16:32 <MTughan> zibri: We never did figure out why you weren't getting SETI tasks, did we?

16:32 <zibri> MTughan: nah...

16:32 <PovAddict> no you kept getting off-topic in the middle

16:32 * PovAddict looks around

16:33 <zibri> PovAddict: :)

16:33 <MTughan> Anyway... You said something about "No getting new work" or something in your messages? What messages are all printed out when that machine tries to get work?

16:34 <xcamel> nothing printed... it just doesn't do the "fetch" - noticed since 6.4.x

16:35 <MTughan> Oh yeah... And what client version are you running?

16:35 <MTughan> O_O Uh, why is your P4 running BOINC 5.4.11?

16:36 <zibri> MTughan: i'm manually pressing update. in the message window: 1. sending scheduler request. Requested by user.. etc 2. scheduler request succeeded: got 0 new tasks

16:36 <zibri> MTughan: I'm using boincmgr on ubuntu 8.10

16:36 <MTughan> All right. Do you know what version of BOINC?

16:36 <zibri> 6.2.12 pre release

16:37 <zibri> checking

16:37 <xcamel> just suspend the ones you have work for and you'll get work for the other projects..

16:37 <zibri> 6.2.12.. same as boincmgr?

16:38 <PovAddict> is it *asking* for work?

16:38 <MTughan> Not necessarily. It should say in the bottom corner "Connected to localhost (6.2.14)" or whatever version number it is.

16:38 <PovAddict> if it is, suspending projects won't help

16:38 <zibri> the thing is, now it works for lhc@home, but earlier it did no work at all

16:39 <zibri> i'm trying with lhc suspended now

16:40 <zibri> same results.

16:40 <MTughan> "Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.  Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 0 completed tasks" <- Does it say 0 seconds, or something else?

16:40 <zibri> Yes, it does say 0 seconds

16:40 <MTughan> Then it's not requesting any work from SETI.

16:40 <PovAddict> do you have any SETI task?

16:40 <MTughan> Is it set to No New Work?

16:41 <MTughan> PovAddict: Not according to SETI.

16:41 <zibri> PovAddict: not at this host

16:41 <PovAddict> if you have any suspended task for a project, it won't get any more from it

16:41 <MTughan>

16:41 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:42 <zibri> MTughan: do you know where this setting would be?

16:42 <PovAddict> in Projects tab

16:42 <MTughan> On the Projects tab.

16:42 <zibri> MTughan: the client is set to "Run always"

16:42 <MTughan> If the status says "Won

16:42 <zibri> ah, no

16:42 <MTughan> ..' get new tasks" it won't ask for new work.

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16:42 <xcamel> mine says "Wok is hot, start cooking"

16:43 <MTughan> xcamel: That ain't BOINC. :P

16:43 <zibri> MTughan: it does allow new work

16:44 <MTughan> Is SETI suspended?

16:44 <zibri> No.

16:44 <MTughan> Hmm... Could you send us a screenshot of the projects tab on the manager?

16:44 <zibri> sure

16:45 <MTughan> should work if you don't have anywhere else to put it.

16:45 <xcamel> how many projects?

16:46 <MTughan> Two from what I can tell: SETI and LHC.

16:46 <zibri>

16:46 <zibri> xcamel: two

16:46 <xcamel> that answers that question

16:46 <MTughan> How many LHC tasks do you have?

16:46 <xcamel> LHC rarely has any work, and seti has been a bit touchy lately on workfetch

16:47 <Soul_keeper> &dict deficient

16:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: deficient adj 1: inadequate in amount or degree; "a deficient education"; "deficient in common sense"; "lacking in stamina"; "tested and found wanting" [syn: {lacking(p)}, {wanting(p)}] 2: of a quantity not able to fulfill a need or requirement; "insufficient funds" [syn: {insufficient}] [ant: {sufficient}] 3: falling short of some (5 more messages)

16:47 <PovAddict> yeah but his client isn't *asking* for SETI work

16:47 <zibri> LHC rarely has any work indeed, but today it had. I got five WU, which are all done now

16:48 <PovAddict> zibri: wow IPv6?

16:48 <zibri> =)

16:48 <xcamel> they have a daily wu limit - so that's all you'll get for this 24 hr slice..

16:49 <zibri> xcamel: yeah, i'm used to it, but seti@home seems to always have work for me

16:49 <zibri> it works great at my other two hosts

16:49 <xcamel> as long as they're up, that is..

16:49 <zibri> yeah

16:50 <xcamel> what's with the 'guest nick', Nic?

16:50 <MTughan> But even if SETI doesn't have any work, why is BOINC refusing to ask for any?

16:50 <xcamel> add milkyway@home to that list and it'll balance out...

16:50 <PovAddict> xcamel: I tried to kill it via nickserv and couldn't, then it rejoined with that nickname and now I really can't get rid of it

16:50 <xcamel> I'll kill it..

16:50 <PovAddict> I forgot to close IRC on the w$%& machine

16:51 <PovAddict> yeah go ahead

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16:51 <PovAddict> hope it doesn't rejoin the channel <.<

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16:51 <xcamel> poof.

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16:57 <MTughan> I'm gonna go off and have some dinner. zibri: Sorry, I'm stumped.

16:57 <MTughan> You can always try resetting SETI.

16:57 <zibri> MTughan: oh well... i sent PovAddict my client_state.xml

16:58 <MTughan> Heh, figures he'd ask for it.

16:58 <zibri> maybe that shows something

16:58 <PovAddict> he even has a large-ish LTD for SETI! why doesn't it ask for work :/

16:58 <PovAddict> 33820

16:59 <MTughan> I suppose you promised not to take any BOINC-sensitive info from his client_state?

16:59 <PovAddict> like?

16:59 <Romulus> I guess like is saying Clemenceau about military "the war was something too serious to let it to military" ( it was a french general ) , i say about politics :), PovAddict

16:59 <MTughan> Say, an email hash?

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17:00 <PovAddict> I can do a brute-force dictionary attack on the MD5 hash and figure out his email address, BFD

17:00 <zibri> :D

17:00 <zibri> go ahead

17:00 <MTughan> Hmm, I thought the account key was stored in the client_state...

17:00 <PovAddict> nope, that's in the account_*.xml files only

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17:01 <MTughan> All right, that makes sense.

17:01 <MTughan> And of course, the CPID or host CPID is basically public knowledge.

17:02 <PovAddict> the only remotely sensitive info would be his host IDs if he had chosen to hide them on the website :P

17:02 <PovAddict> also BFD

17:03 <MTughan> Which he hasn't. My claim was unfounded, either based on dated info or wrong info.

17:03 <MTughan> And my knowledge of you. :P

17:03 <PovAddict> why

17:03 <PovAddict> as if I had ever done any hacking

17:03 <PovAddict> *cough*

17:03 <MTughan> Freezing people's BOINC clients isn't exactly idle poking. :P

17:04 <PovAddict> hey I never attacked that hole, I reported the bug

17:04 <MTughan> I think you used it on me once.

17:04 <PovAddict> o rly

17:04 <PovAddict> gee can't remember

17:05 <PovAddict> zibri: do you have a /etc/boinc-client/cc_config.xml?

17:05 <zibri> checking

17:05 <zibri> yup

17:05 <MTughan> Also... I didn't stick around long enough, but did you screw around with any of the DNS settings on that router that was looking for phpMyAdmin?

17:05 <PovAddict> does it have a bunch of XML tags with a 0 on them?

17:05 <PovAddict> MTughan: no

17:06 <MTughan> Heh. That would've been funny.

17:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: installing a DNS server here would probably be a pain anyway

17:06 <zibri> PovAddict: yup, and three with ones

17:06 <MTughan> True.

17:06 <zibri> task, file_xfer and sched_ops

17:07 <PovAddict> zibri: set <work_fetch_debug> to 1

17:07 <MTughan> Shouldn't the CC be shut down first?

17:07 <zibri> restart boinc-client?

17:08 <PovAddict> boinc_cmd --read_cc_config

17:08 <zibri> k

17:08 <PovAddict> then watch your messages tab

17:08 <PovAddict> on the mgr

17:09 <zibri> ok

17:09 <zibri> there something.. i'm going to paste it to a pastebin, 3 sec

17:10 <zibri> cpu_shortfall something

17:10 <PovAddict> many _debug settings make BOINC log stuff so frequently you wouldn't want it on all the time :D

17:10 <xcamel> guess I should do that for 6.4.4 and see if it's the same thing...

17:10 <zibri>

17:11 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:11 <PovAddict> o_o

17:11 <MTughan> Well... The server status page for SETI says it last checked available WUs 12h ago.

17:12 <PovAddict> LHC is considered non-contactable

17:12 <PovAddict> SETI says stalled download??

17:12 <MTughan> LHC is non-contactable because it's set to NNW?

17:12 <PovAddict> MTughan: or because it recently tried contacting and gave an error

17:12 <MTughan> Could be that too, yeah.

17:12 <PovAddict> or because it has a server-requested backoff atm

17:13 <PovAddict> see code for project.contactable() :D

17:13 <MTughan> Just looking at SETI's status page, nothing is below 3h ago.

17:13 <PovAddict> zibri: is there anything in the Transfers tab?

17:14 <zibri> yes. a setiathome_enhanced, with progress 0%, size 0b

17:14 <PovAddict> that's why it won't get more work from SETI

17:14 <zibri> status, retry in 03:04:29

17:14 <PovAddict> make it Retry now

17:14 <zibri> tried

17:14 <zibri> won't work

17:14 <zibri> what if i abort?

17:14 <PovAddict> blah

17:14 <PovAddict> abort it yeah

17:15 <MTughan> Download servers are said to be up...

17:15 <PovAddict> I'm looking at your XML, that download has no URL (?!)

17:15 <PovAddict> so yeah, it always fails to download it from... nowhere

17:15 <zibri> seti@home is not contactable

17:15 * PovAddict hits BOINC with something

17:15 <PovAddict> go to projects tab and force update

17:15 * MTughan hits BOINC with an enormous picture of Bill Gates

17:16 <zibri> i did that. again?

17:16 <MTughan> rofl, that works...

17:16 <PovAddict> did you [Update] the project after aborting that transfer?

17:16 <zibri> uhm

17:16 <zibri> now it works :D

17:16 <zibri> it was the bill gates picture :P

17:16 <PovAddict> probably

17:17 <MTughan> Gates still has power over DA, eh?

17:18 <zibri> nice...

17:19 <zibri> thank you!

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17:30 <xcamel> needs bigger darts..

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17:37 <CoderForLife> for sale: one rarely used Senate seat

17:39 <CoderForLife> hello any and all

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17:41 * CoderForLife know Pov is allergic to politics, so only makes such remarks when Pov is absent

17:41 <xcamel> jjjr is a really bad liar...

17:41 <PovAddict> power glitch

17:41 <CoderForLife> lol

17:41 <CoderForLife> sowwy about your glitch

17:41 <PovAddict> not a long outage, just a split second enough to reboot the machine

17:41 <PovAddict> but I went afk out of frustration for a few minutes

17:41 <PovAddict> really need that UPS

17:42 <CoderForLife> JJ Sr needs to be careful with that knife of his

17:42 <MTughan> PovAddict: Mind checking Konfab for a second?

17:46 <xcamel> CFL: the new sleigh is now (almost) officially on order.

17:47 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:47 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

17:50 <sethy> PovAddict: remember that final fantasy comic strip with the white mage? -ITS STILL UP AND ABOUT!! -

17:50 <Romulus> Title: Nuklear Power - Home of 8-bit Theatre (at

17:51 <xcamel>

17:51 <Romulus> <> (at

17:59 * xcamel wonders if they can generate enough power to keep the lasers lit...

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18:02 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 acre to sq ft

18:02 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: sqft is not a valid unit.

18:02 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 acre to sq feet

18:02 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: sqfeet is not a valid unit.

18:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 acre to foot

18:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: unit categories did not match

18:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 acre to yard

18:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: unit categories did not match

18:03 <Soul_keeper> &math convert 1 acre to square yard

18:03 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: squareyard is not a valid unit.

18:03 <xcamel> 43,800 sq ft.

18:05 <xcamel> &math convert 1 acre to sft

18:05 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: sft is not a valid unit.

18:06 <PovAddict> &math convert 1 acre to ft^2

18:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: 43560

18:06 <xcamel> &math list units

18:06 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)

18:06 <PovAddict> hmm what is it called...

18:06 <PovAddict> oh area

18:06 <PovAddict> &units area

18:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: area units: square meter, are, hectare, acre, section, township, homestead, circular inch, circular mil

18:07 <xcamel> &math 210*210

18:07 <Romulus> xcamel: 44100

18:07 <xcamel> &math 208*208

18:07 <Romulus> xcamel: 43264

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18:08 <xcamel> &google acre

18:08 <Romulus> xcamel: Search took 0.17 seconds: Acre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Acre , Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <,_Israel>; acre: <>; Association of Commercial Real Estate: <>; Acre | Environmental Jobs | CSR Jobs & Sustainability Jobs ...: <http://www (1 more message)

18:09 <PovAddict> &math convert acre ft^2

18:09 <Romulus> PovAddict: 43560

18:09 <PovAddict> oh was already using 1 before

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18:11 <PovAddict> it's The Teacher! :o

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18:15 <KathrynM> Flaky internet

18:17 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:17 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM, don't come to my city

18:18 <Soul_keeper> apparently military jets crash into south korean's houses here

18:18 <KathrynM> eek

18:19 <Soul_keeper> one whiped out a whole family from south korean the other day

18:19 <KathrynM> holy crap.  where is this?

18:19 <Soul_keeper>,2933,463725,00.html

18:19 <Romulus> <> (at

18:19 <Soul_keeper> san diego

18:21 <KathrynM> holy shite

18:21 <wdsmia> asks KathrynM to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

18:21 <Soul_keeper> mother, grandmother, kid, and baby were in one of the houses

18:22 <Soul_keeper> all from korea

18:23 <KathrynM> wow.  that's just horrible

18:24 <Soul_keeper> grandmother had flown in to celebrate the birth of the new baby apparently

18:25 <Soul_keeper> anyways, hope you don't have many jets where you are :)

18:29 <xcamel> that was a nasty accident

18:33 <KathrynM> cool.  i just realized I bought skim milk.  That's the first time I've seen it in Korea.  Usually all I can get is the full fat kind.

18:36 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news December 10, 2008

18:37 <xcamel> fauxmilk

18:44 <CoderForLife> gadzooks

18:46 * CoderForLife has had it up to *here* with software vendors lately

18:46 <CoderForLife> these people act like they're in the business to make money

18:46 <CoderForLife> the nerve...

18:48 <xcamel> software vendor == oxymoron

18:50 <PovAddict> BOINC news are about aqua@home, hadn't heard of it before

18:50 <PovAddict> and they are the fools that made BOINC devs add a "terms of use" feature just for them to put the *standard* "no warranty" disclaimer there... I'm sure there was some stupid lawyer involved in there

18:51 <xcamel> stupid lawyer, but you repeat yourself....

18:52 <PovAddict> yup

18:52 <PovAddict>

18:56 <CoderForLife> The Department of Redundancies Department

18:58 <MTughan> Augh, legalese!

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19:01 <PovAddict> the silly thing is adding a whole new manager feature to show the fairly-standard warranty disclaimed

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19:17 <CoderForLife> where is

19:17 <PovAddict>

19:17 <PovAddict> taiwan-telecom?

19:17 <CoderForLife> Taiwan?

19:18 <CoderForLife> plink

19:18 <PovAddict> sounds like it from the tw part

19:18 <CoderForLife> trying to hack the warbird museum

19:19 <MTughan> It's in Washington.

19:19 <MTughan> Bothell, Washington.

19:19 <CoderForLife> VisualRoute woudln't reverse DNS resolve it for me

19:19 <PovAddict> bot-hell?

19:19 <xcamel> tw telecom holdings, inc. TWTC-NETBLK-7 (NET-206-169-0-0-1)

19:19 <xcamel>                          -

19:19 <xcamel> MATSUSHITA TWTC-NETBLK-7 (NET-206-169-197-128-1)

19:19 <xcamel>                          -

19:19 <wdsmia> asks xcamel to please watch his or her language… Thanks, your friendly channel op.

19:19 <PovAddict> it's a hacker!

19:19 <MTughan> I say them as they come.

19:19 <Romulus> Title: Free Product Demo | IP2Location™ (at

19:19 <CoderForLife> ok, plink nevertheless

19:19 <PovAddict> plinkable

19:19 <xcamel> spork'd

19:20 <CoderForLife> was trying several MS oriented server attacks

19:21 <CoderForLife> thanks

19:21 <xcamel> typical

19:22 <CoderForLife> what glory is there in hacking the warbird museum?

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19:24 <CoderForLife> well - got my w@#% homew@#% done - time to look at the laundry room re-cabinets

19:24 <CoderForLife> signing off for the evening

19:24 <CoderForLife> gn folks

19:24 <xcamel> laterz..

19:26 <PovAddict> mmm trout

19:26 <PovAddict> ->

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19:55 <Soul_keeper> !quote wench

19:56 <Soul_keeper> &dict wench

19:56 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: wn, gcide, and moby-thes responded: wn: wench n : informal terms for a (young) woman [syn: {dame}, {doll}, {skirt}, {chick}, {bird}] v : frequent prostitutes; gcide: Wench \Wench\ (w[e^]nch), v. i. [imp. & p. p. {Wenched} (w[e^]ncht); p. pr. & vb. n. {Wenching}.] To frequent the company of wenches, or women of ill fame. [1913 Webster]; gcide: Wench \Wench\ (w[e^]nch), n. (6 more messages)

20:22 <PovAddict> help

20:23 <PovAddict> votes = votes + 1; score = score + (rating / votes);

20:23 <PovAddict> rating is from -2 to +2

20:23 <PovAddict> does that create an average?

20:45 <ELGono> hmm nope

20:45 <ELGono> not for small numbers

20:45 <ELGono> still thinking way

20:45 <ELGono> why

20:47 <MTughan> PovAddict: What is score?

20:48 <PovAddict> the number that gets finally stored...

20:48 <MTughan> For what?

20:48 <PovAddict> forum post rating

20:48 <PovAddict> votes and score are the two vars that get saved to the DB

20:48 <ELGono> V      R      S

20:48 <ELGono> 1     -2       -2

20:48 <ELGono> 2     -2       -3

20:48 <ELGono> 3     -2      -3,666

20:48 <ELGono> 4    +2      -3.166

20:48 <ELGono> 5    +2      -2,766

20:48 <ELGono> 6    +2      -2,433

20:48 <PovAddict> before those two statements, their values is the current values in the DB

20:48 <ELGono> should be 0

20:49 <MTughan> Yeah, that won't be an average, because earlier ratings are weighted heavier than later ones.

20:49 <PovAddict> hmm that changed

20:49 <PovAddict> it was changed to

20:49 <PovAddict> votes = votes + 1; score = ((score*votes) + rating) / (votes+1);

20:49 <PovAddict> and rating can be either -1 or 1

20:49 <PovAddict> that *does* make an average

20:49 <MTughan> Almost. Increment votes after adding the score.

20:49 <PovAddict> oh wait

20:49 <PovAddict> my bad

20:50 <PovAddict> it's this

20:50 <PovAddict> update_votes_in_db(votes+1); update_score_in_db(((score*votes) + rating) / (votes+1));

20:50 <PovAddict> the second statement doesn't see the change to 'votes', so it's fine

20:50 <MTughan> Yep, that's fine.

20:51 <PovAddict> however

20:51 <PovAddict> rating is either -1 or 1

20:51 <ELGono> agree to that

20:51 <PovAddict> and the f*cking DB column is a f*cking integer nowadays

20:51 <PovAddict> it can't quite store an average...

20:52 <ELGono> shiny new world 2.0 ;)

20:52 <PovAddict> ELGono: it's code pushed over 4 years

20:52 <PovAddict> tiny bits modified once a year without first understanding how the rest worked

20:53 <PovAddict> ended in code that didn't work for half a dozen different reasons

20:53 <ELGono> 3am in the morning here and i still trying to get an old pspice model into newer spicy software

20:53 <PovAddict> it has been completely non-working for at least a year (happy birthday bug!)

20:56 <ELGono> ::/

20:56 <ELGono> this damn keyboard

20:57 <ELGono> need to get x2vnc get working again on irix to use that old school pre ps/2 area sgi keyboard again

20:59 <ELGono> ahh now i got it :) sending keyboard commands x -> x (irix 5.2 diskless -> 6.5 server) servers runs x2vnc and sends keyboard commands to my windows/linux box

21:00 <ELGono> problem was no compiler on 5.2 maschine (was 6.3 before with compiler and x2vnc running)

21:00 <ELGono> err 5.3

21:00 <xcamel> back again

21:00 <ELGono> moo jay

21:02 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

21:04 <ELGono> snowing here again

21:04 * xcamel yawns

21:04 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

21:04 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1mph / 2km/h | Updated: 2:50 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 ° F. / -1 ° C.; Chance of Snow. High:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 ° F. / -3 ° C.; Overcast. High:32 ° F. / 0 ° C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:28 ° F. (1 more message)

21:04 <PovAddict> I was wrong, db column is a double

21:05 <xcamel> 30F here, and a big storm coming in

21:07 <efc> got a lot of rain today, tornado warnings, etc

21:07 <Soul_keeper> excellent!

21:08 <xcamel> that's going to turn into rain sleet freezing rain and up to 10" of snow here..

21:08 <CoderForLife> last checkin before bed

21:08 <efc> some offices at work flooded. You'd think they'd fix it after years.

21:08 <CoderForLife> efc

21:08 <Romulus> <> (at

21:09 <CoderForLife> efc

21:09 <Romulus> <> (at

21:09 <CoderForLife> you probably know all that by now

21:09 <xcamel> just to my NW, it could be 18 to 24"

21:09 <MTughan> &wx YOW

21:09 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 9°F / -13°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM EST; Tonight - A few clouds. Low -16C(3F).; Thursday - Increasing cloudiness in the morning. High -7C(19F). Thursday night cloudy. 60 percent chance of flurries overnight. Low -11C(12F).; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud with 40 (1 more message)

21:09 <MTughan> Hey, proper pressure...

21:09 * CoderForLife can now close notepad

21:09 <MTughan> &more

21:09 <Romulus> MTughan: percent chance of snow. High -6C(21F).;

21:10 <efc> CFL, I worked out the solo part finally, after slowing it down in audacity

21:10 <CoderForLife> cool congrats

21:10 <xcamel> the monkeys?

21:10 <xcamel> yougottabekidding...

21:10 <efc>

21:10 <Romulus> <> (at

21:11 <CoderForLife> lol  good job

21:11 <efc> It just doesn't sound the same on wind instruments..

21:11 <xcamel> yeah, that riff is a real pest.

21:12 <xcamel> sounds great with bells though

21:12 <CoderForLife> flamenco guitar is hard to dupe on a reed

21:12 <efc> the notes are easy enough, it just doesn't have the effect

21:12 <xcamel> muted xylophone - 50% tamped.

21:12 <efc> Valleri was pretty hot, btw

21:13 <xcamel> try it...

21:13 <CoderForLife> so was Mandy

21:13 <xcamel> it gives you a very "ELP" kind of sound

21:14 <CoderForLife> ok off to bed

21:14 <CoderForLife> re-gn

21:14 <MTughan> Night CFL.

21:14 <xcamel> laterzzzzz again.

21:14 <efc> night cfl

21:15 <CoderForLife> thx gn all

21:15 <CoderForLife>

21:15 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Valerie (at

21:19 * PovAddict clicks Send and explodes

21:25 <ELGono> oh yea writing on the sgi keyboard again

21:25 <ELGono> nearly no delay, but cool clicking sounds

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21:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: Another response. :P

21:40 <PovAddict> hmm light glitches

21:40 <PovAddict> power problems soon

21:40 <efc> Hows the grid there?

21:41 <PovAddict> hmm weird

21:41 <PovAddict> measured it

21:41 <PovAddict> almost exactly 220v

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22:31 <PovAddict> "Tim O'Rielly once asked a patent lawyer how he would feel if other lawyers could patent legal arguments and charge him money to use those arguments in court.  Though he tried to twist out of answering that one, eventually he had to admit that he had no answer."

23:26 <mchelen1> remember, the purpose of the patent system is to encourage the sharing and use of inventions and methods

23:28 <mchelen1> is/was

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