IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2008-12-14

00:03 <MTughan> Well, I'm getting my roommate's 2.2GHz C2D online. :D

00:18 <Rookie_69> I got an AMD K6 here I could try to crunch with... Lol.

00:18 <Rookie_69> ... or

00:19 <Rookie_69> ... or I would if I put it back together.

00:20 <Rookie_69> ... or I could if I put it back together.

00:20 <PovAddict> coulda shoulda woulda

00:20 <Rookie_69> dinna

00:22 <Rookie_69> Maybe I'll put it back together and install DOS 6.2 and play some old games on it.

00:22 <Rookie_69> Maybe I won't.

00:24 <Rookie_69> Maybe I'll just go to bed.

00:24 <Rookie_69> That seems more likely.

00:24 <Rookie_69> Zzzz...

00:25 <Rookie_69> NN.

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00:46 <MTughan> Hmm... PovAddict: Any idea how many BOINC projects there are?

00:46 <MTughan> xcamel or wdsmia should be able to answer that too. I was going to ask zombie, but he ain't here.

00:53 <MTughan> Hmm... Anyone know if you can run BOINC on an Xbox 360?

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00:54 <MTughan> 'lo Tidus

00:55 <Tidus> what's up MT

00:55 <MTughan> Just about to go to bed... Almost 1AM.

00:56 <Tidus> lol same

00:56 <MTughan> So why'd you sign on then? :P

00:56 <Tidus> i normally idle around as the machine i irc on is on 24/7

00:57 <MTughan> It was just down today?

00:57 <Tidus> just it hardlocked due to a bad ram stick so i had to restart it (changed the stick of ram while i was at it) and forgot to sign back in

00:57 <MTughan> Ouch...

00:57 <Tidus> yeah

00:57 <Tidus> Linux Katrina 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Wed Nov 26 19:14:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

00:58 <Tidus> 23:52:41 up 23:20,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

00:59 <MTughan> Mac: 0:58  up 2 days,  5:54, 6 users, load averages: 5.48 5.99 6.26

00:59 <MTughan> Linux: 00:58:37 up 12 days,  3:32,  2 users,  load average: 2.00, 2.00, 2.00

00:59 <MTughan> Wow, I hadn't noticed the load averages on the Linux comp before... :P

00:59 <Tidus> this is sad... my windows box has been up longer than the linux one

00:59 <Tidus> my windows machine's been up 1d6h17m

01:00 <MTughan> I think the max I've achieved with the Mac box was 58 days. Not sure on the previous Linux box, although it's probably longer.

01:00 <Tidus> my record on a linux machine was 352 days

01:00 <MTughan> I had to restart for security updates.

01:00 <Tidus> and that was under heavy load

01:00 <MTughan> What, you couldn't afford the extra two weeks for a full year? xD

01:00 <Tidus> no, processor burned out

01:01 <MTughan> Oh, that'd do it...

01:01 <Tidus> yeah

01:01 <Tidus> old p4's fan seized and the thermal protection failed to kick in in time

01:02 <MTughan> I'm just about to replace my old P4...

01:02 <Tidus> this was an old northwood 1.6 being used in a lan gaming center as a counter-strike server

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01:02 <Tidus> had 4 concurrent game servers running on that one machine

01:02 <MTughan> Heh.

01:03 <MTughan> Well, I should be off... I'm probably keeping my roommate awake.

01:03 <Tidus> i'm surprised it survived almost a year

01:04 <Tidus> SuSE 9.2 ... most stable distro i ever had to admin

01:05 <MTughan> I've liked the Fedora series myself, but I do a lot of GUI work on the Linux comps too. Current one is running Fedora 8.

01:05 <Tidus> my linux machine has debian lenny on it

01:05 <Tidus> my laptop dual boots vista and fedora 10

01:05 <MTughan> I'm skipping Vista. :D

01:06 <Tidus> eh, the lappy came with it

01:06 <Tidus> and they refused my downgrade request

01:06 <MTughan> Next Windows OS will either be Server 2008 (apparently good for BOINC, according to Tank_Master) or Windows 7.

01:06 <MTughan> Ah. Mine came with Vista Business and the XP downgrade included.

01:06 <MTughan> Or as I like to call it, the XP upgrade. ;)

01:06 <Tidus> mine's vista home premium and HP refused to allow downgrade to xp media center

01:07 <MTughan> Yeah, only Vista Business and Ultimate come with the downgrades IIRC.

01:07 <Tidus> so i've tweaked and poked and proddeded and *cough*hacked*cough* twiddled with it to get it running like a screaming demon

01:08 <MTughan> Heh.

01:08 <MTughan> Just started my roommate's laptop on BOINC, literally a couple minutes ago. He has Home Premium x64, so I attached ABC.

01:08 <Tidus> prepare for a load of fan noise

01:09 <Tidus> mine gets LOUD when i peg it

01:09 <MTughan> It's not too bad actually. Been running for about half an hour now, not much louder than idle.

01:09 <Tidus> mine's an 18 month old dv8300

01:09 <MTughan> And I have two more laptops running full load 24/7. They're not too loud either.

01:09 <Tidus> cpu AND gpu are under the same heatsink :(

01:09 <MTughan> O_O My Mac is older...

01:10 <MTughan> And why the heck did they do that, we'll never know...

01:10 <Tidus> core 2 duo T5500 (originally a "pentium dual-core" t2300) with 2gb ram and 2x100gb disks

01:10 <Tidus> 17" widescreen, nvidia 7600-go video (256mb)

01:10 <MTughan> Anyway, my 26 month old Mac is the loudest of the bunch, but it's a smooth fan noise.

01:11 <MTughan> 2GHz Core Duo, 13" widescreen, 2GB DDR2-667 RAM, 160GB HD, and the sh*ttiest Intel GMA950 graphics.

01:11 <Tidus> yours has a faster main processor

01:11 <Tidus> mine's only 1.667ghz

01:12 <MTughan> And mine's 32-bit.

01:12 <Tidus> but 64 capable

01:12 <MTughan> 64-bit capable? Nope.

01:12 <Tidus> mine is

01:12 <MTughan> The original Intel Core series was 32-bit only. The Core 2 series is 64-bit.

01:12 <Tidus> yeah, mine's a core 2

01:13 <MTughan> Anyway, I have my desktop wallpaper to fade every 5 minutes, and if BOINC weren't running, the CPU usage would spike to ~60% of one core as it fades.

01:13 <Tidus> ouch

01:13 <MTughan> With BOINC running, that process takes 40% of one core and is jerky.

01:14 <MTughan> Took Apple long enough to realize the Intel integrated graphics just don't work well...

01:14 <Tidus> yeah

01:14 <MTughan> My 4 year old ATI card is more powerful!

01:14 <Tidus> the new ones use the nvidia 9400

01:14 <Tidus> 256mb shared with main mem

01:14 <MTughan> 9400 integrated, I know. The Pro's have a 9600 discrete as well.

01:14 <Tidus> yeah, but you have to log out to switch

01:14 <MTughan> It's there.

01:15 <Tidus> the 9400 isn't a terrible chip though

01:15 <MTughan> Well remember, Nvidia is a graphics company, so they'll make better graphics. Intel is a CPU company, and GPUs are more of an afterthought.

01:16 <Tidus> yeah lol

01:16 <Tidus> the 950 was the crappiest chipset ever

01:16 <MTughan> I heard the 3500 was slower actually...

01:16 <MTughan> My new laptop, running Linux, has a 4500 and a Radeon 3470. I just keep it on the Radeon graphics, I have no need for Intel graphics.

01:17 <Tidus> mine has no choice

01:17 <MTughan> I'll accept the slightly lower battery time, I can still edge 6 hours out of the battery.

01:17 <Tidus> it's the nvidia 7600 all the time

01:17 <Tidus> and thanks to the dual hard disks and 17 inch screen, mine just barely eeks out 2hrs

01:18 <MTughan> Sounds like a desktop replacement, not a laptop.

01:18 <Tidus> yeah, that's what it is

01:19 <MTughan> Yeah, the new one is a C2D @ 2.53GHz, 2GB of DDR3-1066 RAM, 160GB HD, 14" widescreen, and the aforementioned Radeon 3470/X4500 graphics.

01:19 <Tidus> nice

01:19 <Tidus> i want one of the new macbooks

01:19 <Tidus> my only beef is the poopish battery

01:20 <MTughan> I need to actually compare the specs on how this compares with a MacBook... I got this one with all those specs for $1600CDN.

01:20 <MTughan> CPU is a T9400, 45nm Penryn at 2.53GHz, with 6MB L2 cache. Let me just say, it's fast. :D

01:20 * Tidus is jealous.

01:21 <MTughan> I think it averages about 3500/day at ABC.

01:21 <Tidus> mine's just a T5500, forget what series, 1.667ghz with 2mb cache

01:21 <MTughan> 65nm?

01:21 <Tidus> think so

01:21 <MTughan> That's actually a surprising processor for a desktop replacement... I would've expected more.

01:22 <MTughan> At least up near 2.1GHz or so.

01:22 <MTughan> One second, going to look up the specs of the T5500...

01:22 <Tidus> its original processor was as i said just a lowly T2300

01:23 <MTughan> T2300? That sounds like a Yonah core.

01:23 <Tidus> mine's a merom

01:24 <MTughan> T5500 is a Merom, 65nm, standard voltage. TDP of 34W.

01:24 <Tidus> HP's got it running on a i945pm chipset

01:25 <MTughan> Yep, the T2300 is a Core Duo proc. By the looks of it, the Mac runs a T2500.

01:25 <MTughan> Wow... Intel made some Core Duo procs with a TDP of 9W...

01:25 <Tidus> 2gb ram in this thing, dual channel, timings are 5-5-5-15-21

01:26 <MTughan> There's the 1.4GHz C2D with a TDP of 10W...

01:27 <Tidus> i'm half curious as to what kind of TDP the newer ones use

01:28 <Tidus> and what this chipset / bios is capable of running :)

01:28 <MTughan> Dunno.

01:28 <Tidus> i'd love to toss a T9400 in it :P

01:28 <MTughan> lol, jealous enough?

01:28 <Tidus> provided it's still a socket 479

01:28 <MTughan> Comes in Socket P and FCBGA6. Don't know exactly which one that is.

01:29 <Tidus> i've noticed some interesting bits about this one since cpu-z's been going

01:29 <MTughan> Socket P has 478 pins apparently.

01:29 <Tidus> it goes from 1.0ghz @ 1.333V to 1.667 @ 1.338

01:30 <Tidus> er, 1.0ghz at 1.063b

01:30 <Tidus> v

01:30 <Tidus> can't type

01:30 <MTughan> lol

01:31 <Tidus> still not a bad machine for having been produced week 51 in 06

01:31 <Tidus> so it's right at 2 years old now

01:33 <Tidus> &ping

01:33 <Romulus> pong

01:33 <Tidus> and i can't beat the price i paid for this thing

01:34 <MTughan> Actually... I think you have a Socket M. That's the only one that the T2300 came in, and the T5500 comes in that as well.

01:35 <MTughan> However, doesn't look like Intel makes any Socket M Penryns.

01:35 <Tidus> cr@p

01:36 <MTughan> Oh, BTW... Did you know you can get a quad-core Core 2 Extreme for a laptop? xD

01:36 <MTughan>

01:36 <Romulus> <> (at

01:36 <Tidus>

01:36 <Romulus> <> (at

01:36 <Tidus> blah...

01:36 <Tidus> stupid right-click paste in PuTTY

01:36 <MTughan> Wrong window? :P

01:36 <Tidus> yeah

01:37 <Tidus> nice

01:37 <Tidus> i wish mine did it's speedstep throttling thru fsb and not mult

01:38 <MTughan> Ah yes...

01:38 <Romulus> Title: Socket M - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

01:39 <MTughan> You definitely don't have a Socket P motherboard then, because that can scale the FSB.

01:40 <MTughan> Do you have a pin socket or did you have to solder the CPU off?

01:41 <Tidus> no it's a pin socket

01:41 <MTughan> Then it's not an FCBGA proc then. The BGA stands for ball grid array.

01:41 <Tidus> yeah, i knew

01:42 <MTughan> So no, the most you can upgrade that processor to is a T7x00.

01:43 <MTughan> There... T7600, 2.33GHz, 4MB L2 cache, 667MHz FSB.

01:43 <Tidus> however, i can't tell if mine's a standard merom or a merom-2m

01:43 <MTughan> Shouldn't matter, they use the same socket.

01:43 <Tidus> ok mine's a standard merom

01:43 <MTughan> I would think it wouldn't matter anyway.

01:43 <Tidus> B2 stepping

01:44 <MTughan> Yeah... Unfortunately for you, Socket M's been abandoned. Seems no one gets upset at how often Intel changes CPU sockets in laptops, but they do in desktops. :P

01:44 <Tidus> yeah

01:45 <Tidus> so a T7600 is the highest i could go

01:45 <Tidus> that still wouldn't be bad

01:45 <MTughan> So it seems.

01:45 <MTughan> No...

01:45 <MTughan> &math 2.33 - 1.67

01:45 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.66

01:45 <MTughan> 667MHz more, and doubles the L2 cache.

01:45 <Tidus> &math 2.33 / 1.67

01:45 <Romulus> Tidus: 1.39520958084

01:45 <Tidus> 40% clock improvement

01:45 <MTughan> Not a bad speedup.

01:45 <Tidus> up the ram to 4gb

01:46 <Tidus> drop one of those procs in it...

01:46 <MTughan> Sounds like you got quite the (old) machine going... :P

01:46 <Tidus> 34W on cpu only isn't enough to jump the fan to max speed on this thing

01:46 <MTughan> But hey, make do with what you can.

01:46 <MTughan> Well, that's what the T5500 is too if you notice.

01:46 <Tidus> when i re-assembled the heatsink assembly on this thing, i used arctic silver 5 instead of a silly wax pad

01:47 <MTughan> Wax? Ouch.

01:47 <Tidus> i AS5'd the cpu *and* gpu

01:47 <MTughan> Hehe, good.

01:47 <Tidus> the fan only goes to max rpm if both are active, such as when playin a game

01:47 <Tidus> cpu only won't peg the fan

01:48 <MTughan> Larger heatsink then, I guess.

01:48 <Tidus> so the CPU is 34W thermal power... what about its thermal design temperature?

01:48 <MTughan> Doesn't sound so bad.

01:48 <Tidus> the T5500 is 100C

01:48 <MTughan> You'd probably have to get that off of Intel's site.

01:48 <Tidus> fortunately mine never gets that not

01:49 <Tidus> hot *

01:49 <MTughan> My CPU runs usually at 83C sustained...

01:49 <Tidus> mine stays ~70 sustained

01:50 <Tidus> between 68 and 71

01:50 <Tidus> and that's with the GPU active too

01:50 <MTughan> Sounds like the Core 2 I run.

01:50 <Tidus> if it's cpu only, it'll stay around 60

01:50 <Tidus> it idles at 43

01:51 <Tidus> the T5500 and T7600 are thermally identical

01:54 <Tidus> still a 400 dollar processor :(

01:56 <MTughan> There, finally found the damn specs... Thermal spec is still 100C.

01:57 <MTughan>

01:57 <Romulus> <> (at

01:57 <Tidus> yeah, i already figured that out like about 30 minutes ago :P

01:57 <Tidus> well ok, 8 minutes ago

01:57 <Tidus> er. 5

01:57 <MTughan> Yeah, well, I'm persistent.

01:57 <Tidus> and it wasn't the thermal temperature i was worried about

01:58 <Tidus> it was peak power dissipation

01:58 <Tidus> both are also identical at 53.3w

01:58 <MTughan> All right.

01:58 <Tidus> it being a laptop i only have 90w to work with :P

01:58 <MTughan> Well, you signed on at 1AM, I said I was just about to go to bed... It's now almost 2AM.

01:59 <MTughan> Heh, you're not putting a Phenom X4 in there... They went up to a TDP of 140W.

01:59 <Tidus> yeah

01:59 <Tidus> :(

01:59 <Tidus> i'm waiting to see how the phenom II compares to the core i7

01:59 <Tidus> before i build my next desktop

01:59 <MTughan> They're now shipping at 125W, but still hot. The Core 2 Quad's come in at 105W or less IIRC.

02:00 <MTughan> I'm building my computer over the holidays, so I can't wait for that... It'll probably be a Core 2 spec'd comp.

02:00 <Tidus> bah, i'd get a core i7 now that they're out

02:00 <MTughan> And they're damn expensive.

02:00 <Tidus> i'm still an amd person

02:00 <Tidus> still best bang for the buck

02:01 <Tidus> they haven't changed the socket in nearly 2 years

02:01 <MTughan> In core to core clocks? They're equivalent to the current Core 2's.

02:01 <MTughan> Memory bandwidth, there's no comparison, yes.

02:01 <Tidus> my old single core athlon 64 was a socket AM2

02:01 <Tidus> and with a bios update, i could drop a phenom X4 in it

02:02 <MTughan> Yep, although HT would run slower than spec.

02:02 <Tidus> not necessarily

02:02 <Tidus> it was a nearly new board

02:02 <Tidus> coupled with a value processor

02:02 <Tidus> kinda ran out of money on that one :(

02:02 <MTughan> AM2 doesn't support the higher HyperTransport speed. That's why they used AM2+.

02:03 <Tidus> it was an am2+ board

02:03 <MTughan> Ah, then you would have full HT.

02:03 <Tidus> just needed a bios update for the phenom

02:03 <MTughan> Yeah.

02:03 <Tidus> wouldn't see the chip

02:03 <Tidus> some of the athlon 64x2s were am2+

02:04 <Tidus> before i got that machine, it had an x2 5000 black edition in it

02:04 <Tidus> bastage kept that processor for his new machine lol

02:04 <MTughan> All right... The Intel C2Q Q6600 I can get for $245. I can get a Phenom X4 9950BE for $245 too. Core i7 920? $383.

02:04 <Tidus> now i will give intel credit for this one...

02:04 <Tidus> they've already got ddr3 support out the door

02:05 <Tidus> current core 2s and the i7 can take ddr3

02:05 <MTughan> The X48 chipsets had some DDR3 support too.

02:05 <MTughan> Yeah.

02:05 <Tidus> the phenom is stuck on ddr2

02:05 <MTughan> Does AMD have any new chipsets coming?

02:05 <Tidus> the phenom II will be ddr3 i believe

02:05 <Tidus> not much is known at this point

02:06 <MTughan> Damn it... They increased the prices on the Q6600's again. :(

02:06 <MTughan> Just a couple days ago, they were at $240. They raised it to $245. Now it's $250.

02:06 <Tidus> i could get ya that dell for us$499...

02:07 <Tidus> c2q 6600, 3gb ram, 500gb disk, BD-RE/dvdrw drive

02:07 <efc> Moo

02:07 <Tidus> what's up efc?

02:07 <efc> testing out the Roomba

02:07 <Tidus> cool

02:07 <MTughan> lol, still?

02:07 <Tidus> me and MTughan are comparing processors and laughing at how old my laptop is

02:07 <efc> good deal

02:08 <MTughan> Hey no, don't make me laugh out loud... :P

02:08 <MTughan> now*

02:08 <efc> I looked at the i7s, but they seem to be bleeding edge still

02:08 <Tidus> hey, just because HP bricked up the design on this thing and used a socket M instead of socket P

02:08 <Tidus> ...

02:09 <Tidus>[00].jpg&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M

02:09 <Romulus> <> (at

02:09 <Tidus> that's my laptop

02:16 <MTughan> All right, I really need to be off to bed... Good talking to you Tidus.

02:16 <efc> Night MTughan

02:16 <MTughan> Night efc. Don't wear out the battery on the Roomba. :P

02:16 <efc> Sorta needs a bigger dust bin

02:17 <efc> its filled up on every room

02:17 <MTughan> Maybe you need to clean more often?

02:17 <efc> Blasphemy

02:17 <MTughan> lol

02:17 <MTughan> gn

02:17 <efc> &nn

02:17 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

02:19 <linear_shift> efc: sweet, you got the roomba

02:19 <linear_shift> ?

02:20 <linear_shift> you must post pics and/or videos

02:20 <efc> Yes, came in this morning

02:20 <efc> It has been suggested that I retrieve a kitty-cat for the Scientific value of their interaction :)

02:21 <Soul_keeper> bla

02:21 <Soul_keeper> you can have the wild kittens running around my yard ...

02:22 <linear_shift> efc: you at your parents house?

02:25 <efc> Yes

02:27 <Soul_keeper> efc, ask your parents if i can have money :)

02:27 * Soul_keeper likes money

02:30 <efc> How much do you need?

02:30 <Soul_keeper> i'm not picky ... maybe just 1000 :)

02:31 <efc> Accept ColumbianCard ?

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02:31 <Soul_keeper> you're in columbia ?

02:32 <efc> No, but its how we move around the drug money

02:32 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

02:32 <Soul_keeper> ok

02:32 <Soul_keeper> you should use paypal ...

02:36 <Soul_keeper> makes it easier for me to get your parent's money

02:36 <efc> Just steal our credit cards. Its how everybody else does it.

02:37 <Soul_keeper> nah i'm all about consent and what not

02:37 <Soul_keeper> i got morals i think

02:37 * efc deploys the Roomba on another room

02:42 <Soul_keeper> wcg servers down ?

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03:48 <efc> 5.081 gflops engaged!

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03:51 <efc> remoo TM

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03:51 <Tank_Master> yeah

03:51 <Tank_Master> bout that

03:52 <Tank_Master> my router died last night

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03:52 <Tank_Master> was to busy today to work on it till now

03:52 <Tank_Master> new router will be here tuesday or wed

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03:53 <Tank_Master> however it downed on me a bit ago that I DO have an onbord wierless

03:53 <Tank_Master> so I hooked up the antenni

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03:53 <Tank_Master> bi no luck

03:53 <Tank_Master> neighbor;s is secured

03:54 <Tank_Master> so I put it up by the window, and it saw soemthing, but to weak to connect

03:54 <Tank_Master> so I ended up throwing the antenni outside the widnow :P

03:54 <Tank_Master> found a third signel that I can conect to

03:55 <efc> Nice

03:55 <Tank_Master> but not fast, only about 300kbit/sec

03:55 <Tank_Master> only real bad part is the strong cold frount coming in tonight

03:55 <Tank_Master> I dont think I can keep the window upen when its 9f out

03:59 <efc> only 300 kbit/sec.. only..

04:00 <ELGono> hehe some call that broadband ;)

04:00 <Tank_Master> compaired to my normal 20mbit?

04:00 * efc hacks up TM into little bits and takes his access

04:00 <ELGono> well we thought 300kb/sec internet speed

04:00 <Tank_Master> its taking *FOREVER* to downlaod GPUgrid apps

04:01 <ELGono> and the others? wpa or wep encrypted?

04:01 <Tank_Master> one who knows

04:01 * efc would consider paying quite a pile to get a T1

04:01 <Tank_Master> one is 64bit wep (default for verizon) and one is wpa2

04:02 <ELGono> there are good guides for wep ;)

04:02 <Tank_Master> I know

04:03 <ELGono> my 2 backup uplinks i established that waz

04:03 <Tank_Master> but it requieres an internet commection to be able to read how to ack soemone;s internet connection to get access to the info that tells me how to hack the internet

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> do you have a link to such guide?

04:03 <yoyo[RKN]> btw, moin

04:03 <ELGono> moin

04:03 <Tank_Master> night yoyo :P

04:04 <yoyo[RKN]> thought you need special wlan cards for it

04:05 <Tank_Master> no

04:05 <Tank_Master> you can do it with software

04:06 <ELGono> best is with 2 or 3 cards.... one for logging, other to generate traffic

04:06 <ELGono> you need iirc 10million data packets

04:06 <efc> My dad's laptop has wifi.. maybe I ought to poke around with a directional antenna around here..

04:06 <Tank_Master> hehe

04:06 <ELGono> wardriving is phun

04:06 <Tank_Master> sure is

04:07 <efc> there's a cell phone tower about a mile away..

04:08 * linear_shift is back (gone 00:21:39)

04:08 <linear_shift> heh

04:08 * linear_shift reads up

04:08 * Tank_Master leavs the wierless antenni dangeling out the window and heads to bed

04:09 <ELGono> night tm

04:09 <ELGono> &coffee for /me

04:09 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

04:09 <linear_shift>

04:09 <Romulus> <> (at

04:11 <linear_shift> &weather 85207

04:11 <Romulus> linear_shift: Temperature: 53.2F / 11.8C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Considerable cloudiness and breezy. Slight chance of showers in the late evening and overnight. Lows 41 to 51. Southwest wind 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Sunday - Considerable cloudiness. Slight (1 more message)

04:11 <efc> remoo linear

04:11 <Tank_Master> &weather 97123

04:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 34.7F / 1.5C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Rain and snow showers in the evening...then snow showers after midnight. Snow level 500 feet in the evening. Snow accumulation of 1 to 4 inches. Lows around 30. South wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the northeast after (2 more messages)

04:11 <Tank_Master> &more

04:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: midnight. Near The Gorge... southwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the east 15 to 25 mph overnight.; Sunday - Snow showers. Snow accumulation of 1 to 4 inches. Storm total snow accumulation of 2 to 6 inches...locally 8 inches higher hills. Highs around 30. East wind 10 to 15 mph. Near The Gorge...east wind 15 to 25 mph increasing to 25 to 30 mph with gusts to 45 mph in the afternoon.; (1 more message)

04:11 <Tank_Master> &more

04:11 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely in the evening... then a chance of snow showers overnight. Colder. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Lows around 20. Northeast wind 15 to 30 mph...with gusts to 45 mph near The Gorge.; Winter Storm Warning for Washington County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on December 14, 2008;

04:14 <linear_shift> heh Romulus is better than w8irc on #hamradio actually...

04:15 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

04:15 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 9:50 AM CET; Scattered Clouds. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:28 F. / -2 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:33 F. / 1 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:30 F. / -1 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:37 F. / 3 C.; Overcast. Low:32 F. / 0 (1 more message)

04:16 <yoyo[RKN]> &weather berlin,germany

04:16 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 9:50 AM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Overcast. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Overcast. High:41 F. / 5 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:39 F. / 4 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:42 F. / 6 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:39 F. / 4 C.;

04:16 <yoyo[RKN]> &breakfast

04:16 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Are you daft?

04:16 <ELGono> hehe that you have to serve yourself

04:17 <yoyo[RKN]> &hungry, Romulus

04:17 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Are you daft?

04:17 <yoyo[RKN]> &coffee at least

04:17 <Romulus> Here's your quad expresso!! BANG! Need an ambulance in 10 minutes?

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05:33 <linear_shift> lata

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05:41 <CoderForLife> ugh

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05:47 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:47 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 38.3F / 3.5C | Humidity: 62% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.3mph / 2.1km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. Isolated showers this morning. Windy with highs in the lower 50s. South winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Showers likely after midnight. Lows in (1 more message)

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06:30 <CoderForLife> need..  food..

06:34 <KathrynM> ok.  now I know I'm not crazy.  Why does rebooting cause the speakers to get muted

06:37 <CoderForLife> I have experience that as well - speaker volume set to zero, not muted

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08:00 <xcamel> 'lo

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08:10 <CoderForLife> hello xcamel

08:10 <xcamel> mornin Don

08:10 <CoderForLife> power stay on overnight?

08:10 <xcamel> oh yeah

08:10 <CoderForLife> good good

08:13 <xcamel> temps going up too

08:13 <CoderForLife> we're expecting some wind today

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08:13 <CoderForLife> hmm

08:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

08:14 <xcamel> looks like about half the power is back on in the region

08:14 <CoderForLife> that's progress

08:15 <CoderForLife> at least your line crews weren't all on their way somewhere else like ours were with Ike

08:16 <CoderForLife> 90% of Duke customers were out, and the trucks were rolling toward Texas

08:16 <xcamel> we sold right out of generators and heaters

08:16 <CoderForLife> no doubt

08:16 <CoderForLife> you probably could have sold half again, I imagine

08:18 <CoderForLife> I imagine there's a hefty cost of inventory to carry all that just in case

08:22 <CoderForLife> Bush is in Iraq

08:25 <CoderForLife> off the clean the laundry room before putting up the cabinets - bbl

08:27 <CoderForLife>

08:27 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:56 <xcamel> starting to warm up a bit...

09:00 <xcamel> &wx 12074

09:00 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 21.3F / -5.9C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 30.50in / 1032.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy this morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the upper 30s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 30s. Temperature (1 more message)

09:00 <xcamel> &more

09:00 <Romulus> xcamel: rising to around 40 after midnight. South winds around 10 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers in the morning...then showers likely in the afternoon. Not as cool with highs in the lower 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Special Weather Statement for Saratoga County in effect until 4:15 PM EST on December 14, 2008;

09:36 <xcamel>

09:36 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 December 11 - At the Center of the Milky Way (at

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11:04 <Tank_Master> ITS SNOWING!!!!

11:04 <MTughan> 'lo TM

11:05 <Tank_Master> howdy MT

11:05 <PovAddict>

11:05 <Romulus> Title: Nobody cares - Uncyclopedia, the content-free encyclopedia (at

11:05 <MTughan> Welcome to the Winter Fest. :D

11:05 * Tank_Master pushes PovAddict into a crevasse

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11:10 <MTughan> rofl... "Steve Ballmer wanted to kill something, but nobody cares. "

11:11 <xcamel> re-back

11:11 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

11:12 <PovAddict> reminds me of UF comics

11:12 <PovAddict> where Ballmer often says "somebody hand me a chair!"

11:12 <MTughan> Oh yeah, those have updated too...

11:13 <PovAddict> I once saw Ballmer called Elmer FUD

11:13 <PovAddict> fits him so perfectly

11:13 <MTughan>

11:13 <Romulus> <> (at

11:13 <PovAddict> "Ballmer" and "Elmer" are kinda similar

11:13 <PovAddict> he's bald

11:14 <PovAddict> Fudd -> FUD = Fear, uncertainty and doubt

11:14 <PovAddict> "shh be vewy quiet! I'm hunting winux! hehehehehe"

11:14 <MTughan>

11:14 <Romulus> <> (at

11:15 <MTughan>

11:15 <Romulus> <> (at

11:15 <MTughan> Or, just read over the results yourself...

11:15 <Romulus> <> (at

11:19 <MTughan> rofl... Not related to Ballmer and chairs, but...

11:19 <Romulus> <> (at

11:21 <MTughan> Hehe... Complete with sweat.

11:21 <Romulus> <> (at

11:43 <xcamel> oh goodie...

11:44 <xcamel> looks like the latest version of kbackup works...

11:45 <Tank_Master> nice?

11:50 <xcamel> simple, clean..

11:51 <xcamel> running the compressed tar file off to my terrabook via usb

11:52 <xcamel> kind of a "backup backup"

11:53 <xcamel> sits quietly in the system tray too..

11:54 <Tank_Master> thats good

12:03 <xcamel> the target isn't all that fast, but it's good enough

12:08 <CoderForLife> back for a moment

12:09 <yoyo[RKN]> try to crack my own wlan

12:09 <CoderForLife> the wreath is up, before the wind kicks into full gear

12:10 <xcamel> lookin good?

12:10 <CoderForLife> yeah - very bright and merry

12:11 <xcamel> looks like KB is doing a much better job of compressing the files



12:11 <xcamel> part of that blizzard complex?

12:11 <CoderForLife> I wonder why all caps

12:11 <Tank_Master> phun stuff

12:11 <CoderForLife> must be the end of the world

12:12 <Tank_Master> all weather statements are all caps

12:12 <xcamel> nws is always in 'all caps'

12:12 <xcamel> holdover from the teletype days

12:12 <CoderForLife> yeah, related to the low pressure system across the Great Lakes

12:12 <CoderForLife> ACK NAK BEL

12:12 <xcamel> FARK

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12:13 <xcamel> 'lo Eythan

12:14 <xcamel> lol - liberal heads will explode....

12:15 <xcamel> the beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks allot like the

12:15 <xcamel> end of the Nixon administration....

12:15 <CoderForLife> seems like there's a lot of cover-up going on

12:16 <CoderForLife> if you tell the truth, there's no need to run around getting the story line straight

12:17 <xcamel> latest poop:

12:18 <xcamel> Blago's wide was the 'backend' RE agent for the Obama/Rezko land "deal"

12:18 <CoderForLife> wife

12:18 <CoderForLife> yes

12:18 <xcamel> whiff even

12:18 <CoderForLife> she uses worse language than Blago

12:19 <xcamel> 2 part harmony...

12:19 <CoderForLife> they are quite a apir

12:19 <CoderForLife> er pair

12:19 <xcamel> she seems to have quite a pair too..

12:19 <CoderForLife> heh

12:20 <CoderForLife> I was wondering about the wide backend

12:20 <PovAddict> o_O?

12:20 <Romulus> It has been said that o_O is ~450MB total, PovAddict

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12:23 <xcamel> hmmm... tar in 4gb slices...

12:23 <xcamel> must be a qt limit

12:24 <PovAddict> where are you saving?

12:24 <CoderForLife> here's pics of the wreath from last year

12:24 <Romulus> Title: Index of /wreath (at

12:25 <xcamel> on to a usb terrabook

12:25 <xcamel> brb

12:25 <PovAddict> if it's a USB flash memory, the problem may be it's formatted in FAT32, which doesn't support files > 4GB

12:29 <xcamel> going to check on that...

12:31 <xcamel> it's ext2

12:31 <MTughan> ext2/3 should support bigger than 4GB per file...

12:32 <xcamel> might be the program..

12:33 <PovAddict> maybe kbackup is just trying to be safe

12:33 <PovAddict> easier than checking if the filesystem supports big files

12:33 <PovAddict> just always split it

12:33 <MTughan> ext2 has a max file size of 2TiB.

12:33 <xcamel> limited by Qt3 (4GB on 32bit)

12:33 <CoderForLife> back to the laundry room cabinets project - there's only one WU and one processor - bbl

12:33 <xcamel> but it's not a big problem

12:34 <MTughan> Oh, ext4 has become standard as of kernel 2.6.28.

12:34 <MTughan> s/standard/stable/

12:35 <xcamel> the other disks are 4, glued together as LVM

12:35 <PovAddict> MTughan: search for Tux3 :)

12:36 <PovAddict> looks like it will be one hell of a filesystem

12:36 <PovAddict> Tux2 already had some interesting concepts but they couldn't develop much because some company had patents on them

12:37 <PovAddict> (even though Tux2 author had figured out those techniques long before the patent was filed; but they'd have to get a lawyer to fight that)

12:37 <PovAddict> patents--

12:38 <MTughan> Wow... Apple's HFS+ supports up to 16 exabytes for volume size, 8 exabytes for max file size.

12:39 <MTughan> Not as many files as the ext series though I think.

12:39 <MTughan> Nope. 2^32-1 < 10^18.

12:41 <xcamel> oopsie...

12:41 <xcamel> shouldn't backup /sys

12:41 <PovAddict> lol

12:42 <MTughan> I only have 1.06 million files though... :P

12:42 <PovAddict> did you skip /proc?

12:42 <xcamel> duh...

12:42 <MTughan> lol

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12:46 <xcamel> yes..

12:49 <xcamel> Now that it's warming up I should take the tractor up on the ridge and move some trees off the trail...

12:50 <xcamel> down trees, that is...

12:50 * xcamel will wait for a fresh coffee...

13:35 <Soul_keeper> what's going on in here !?!?

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14:36 <xcamel> there... trail safe again

14:37 <efc> xcamel: I saw a story about a huge meteor in New Zealand last night

14:38 <efc> paper claims it burned down a warehouse (probably load of BS added by the newspaper)

14:38 <xcamel> guess nobody else saw the one here...

14:39 <efc> Ought to be able to see it for many miles, they are extremely high when they are bright

14:39 <xcamel> 112K still out of power here

14:39 <efc> I once saw a great one, about the size of a quarter moon, streaking for about half a second

14:39 <xcamel> anow they're going to shut off another big chunk to fix some main trunk line

14:40 <xcamel> that's what the daughter claims to have seen last night

14:41 <efc> maybe half interesting, I followed a national forest road to a very remote private parcel on top of a mountain once.. they had below ground power the whole way. Cost somebody a fortune.

14:41 <efc> I think it used to be a radio transmitter.

14:41 <efc> we're talking a mile or two, pretty expensive.

14:42 <efc> worth it for a radio station though.

14:46 <xcamel> very expensive if done by the power company

14:46 <MTughan> Started snowing again... Tank_Master must be jealous. :P

14:48 <xcamel> think it's going to rain here...

14:48 <xcamel> later on..

14:48 <MTughan> Not cold enough for snow then?

14:48 <MTughan> &wx YOW

14:49 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM EST; Today - Periods of snow. High 0C(32F).; Tonight - A few flurries and wet snow changing to periods of rain or wet snow this evening. Risk of freezing rain this evening. Wind becoming south 20 km/h (12 mph) overnight. (1 more message)

14:49 <MTughan> &more

14:49 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature rising to 4C(39F) by morning.; Monday - Rain ending in the afternoon then cloudy. Wind southwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light in the evening. High 8C(46F) with temperature falling to 1C(34F) in the afternoon.;

14:49 <MTughan> Wow, it's really warming up... I leave on Tuesday.

14:50 <MTughan> Last exam is tomorrow evening, on Python.

14:51 <MTughan> Oh, and someone wrote "Sexy Karen" in the snow outside two nights ago... Large writing. :P

14:55 <xcamel> barely - just hit 30F

15:02 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

15:02 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 13.7F / -10.2C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 10.0mph / 16.1km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy...windy...flurries. High around 50. Temperature falling into the lower teens by late afternoon. Northwest wind 25 to 30 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Windy. Scattered flurries in the (1 more message)

15:02 <wdsmia> &more

15:02 <Romulus> wdsmia: evening. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 40 mph. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Monday - Partly sunny. Very cold. High around 10. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the morning. Lowest wind chill readings 15 to 20 below in the morning.; Wind Chill Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on December 15, 2008;

15:04 <xcamel> guess that blizzard is about to hit Doug

15:05 <wdsmia> lucky me

15:06 <Soul_keeper> [PLAYING] [02:04:479] 09_-_I'm_Gonna_Be_Somebody

15:07 <xcamel> looks kinda nasty..

15:10 <CoderForLife> speaking of nasty, I need to make another run to Home Despot to finish the laundry room shelves - laterz

15:11 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

15:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 53.7F / 12.1C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.4mph / 3.9km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy. Isolated showers early. Breezy with highs in the lower 50s. South winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. Showers likely after midnight. Lows (1 more message)

15:11 <CoderForLife> &more

15:11 <Romulus> CoderForLife: in the mid 40s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 45 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Monday - Occasional showers. Highs in the mid 40s. Temperatures falling to around 40 in the afternoon. West winds 15 to 20 mph... becoming northwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of rain 90 percent.; Wind Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on December 15, 2008;

15:11 <MTughan> Seeya CFL.

15:11 <CoderForLife> not much wind yet

15:11 <CoderForLife> laterz

15:12 <Tidus> &wx 65647

15:12 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 68.0F / 20.0C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 28.35in / 959.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 8.1mph / 13.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Considerable cloudiness. Chance of showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms in the afternoon. Windy. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 45 mph. Chance of precipitation 40 (2 more messages)

15:12 <Tidus> &more

15:12 <Romulus> Tidus: percent.; Tonight - Freezing rain...flurries and sleet likely. Sleet accumulation around 1 inch. Ice accumulation of less than one quarter of an inch. Windy. Lows 14 to 18. Wind chill readings as cold as zero. North winds 15 to 25 mph. Gusts up to 35 mph until early morning. Chance of measurable precipitation 70 percent.; Monday - Considerable cloudiness. A 20 percent chance of light snow in (1 more message)

15:12 <Tidus> &more

15:12 * MTughan is just doing last-minute cleanups

15:12 <Romulus> Tidus: the morning. Highs in the mid 20s. Wind chill readings as cold as zero. North winds 15 to 25 mph in the morning decreasing to 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.; Wind Advisory for Barry County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on December 14, 2008;

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15:16 <Tidus> holy cr@p cold tonight

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15:22 <MTughan> Thanks Doug.

15:22 <wdsmia> sorry about that

15:22 * Tidus wonders what that was all about.

15:22 <Tidus> lol

15:22 <Tank_Master-> +m?

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15:22 <MTughan> Yeah.

15:22 <PovAddict> moderated, only voiced people can speak

15:22 <Tidus> i knew that, just curious as to the reason why

15:22 <MTughan> Useful occasionally, but not so much here.

15:22 <PovAddict> so you stop &weather'ing for a minute? :D

15:23 <MTughan> lol

15:23 <Tidus> ehh, that's the first time i'd done that in a while. only machine i have at the moment with net access is this console only linux machine

15:23 <Tidus> the laptop's wifi is being wanky

15:24 <PovAddict> &dict wanky

15:24 <Romulus> PovAddict: No definition for "wanky" could be found.

15:24 <MTughan> And urbandict is broken.

15:24 <Tidus> it means 'messed up'

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15:45 <xcamel> long broken

15:46 <efc> wonder why this particular socket burns out every light bulb that goes in it..

15:47 <PovAddict> heat?

15:47 <Romulus> heat is a type of radation, PovAddict

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15:49 <xcamel> oh great... ice on trees, and more wind...

15:49 <PovAddict> as long as it's not ice on power cables...

15:49 <xcamel> same diff

15:50 <efc> its burned out several compact fl. early and incandescents too

15:56 <xcamel> gremlins?

15:56 <efc> tests at 120v, so at least its not 240/three phase

15:56 <xcamel> sweet - kbackup - 3 slices - archive integrity passed.

15:57 <PovAddict> xcamel: have you tried KDE4?

15:57 <xcamel> not yet

15:57 <xcamel> no good rpm upgrade spot for yum that I have found yet

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16:17 <xcamel> I guess I could download the fedora 10 dvd iso

16:24 <xcamel> oh that's a big file..

16:29 <Soul_keeper> "President George W. Bush makes a farewell visit to Iraq, meeting with U.S. commanders and Iraqi leaders, and narrowly missing being hit by a flying shoe. "

16:29 <Soul_keeper> "According to AFP, the attacker -- sitting in the third row -- jumped up and shouted: "It is the farewell kiss, you dog," before throwing his shoes at the president, who leaves office Jan. 20"

16:29 <efc> Lemme guess, was it his left shoe?

16:30 <Soul_keeper> both shoes

16:31 <efc> Sounds like one went wide

16:31 <Soul_keeper> "throwing of shoes is considered highly insulting in Iraqi culture."

16:32 <xcamel> it was what little was left of the throwers brain...

16:33 <xcamel> sustained dl is about 725K - not too bad

16:34 <efc> only about 16 phone lines worth here

16:35 <xcamel> I've stuck with F7/F8 just because it's working so well now...

16:35 <xcamel> I **could** burn it and upgrade supercaml first...

16:36 * efc recorded a few more Valleris

16:36 <efc>

16:36 <Romulus> <> (at

16:36 <xcamel> barometer is taking a dump now..

16:37 <Soul_keeper> 4G internet apparently comes out next year ...

16:38 <efc> I don't have a lot of hope for net access in the US. Somehow the great free market fails in this domain.

16:38 <Tidus> xcamel: i've had good luck with F9 and F10

16:39 <xcamel> line internet 2 is becoming the exclusive domain of the far left moonbats

16:40 <Soul_keeper> i gotta wait for my 3G internet contract to expire .... so that means a full 2yrs after 4G comes out

16:40 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: carrier?

16:40 * xcamel waits for taco bell takeout to show up..

16:40 <Soul_keeper> att 3yr contract

16:40 <Tidus> ouch

16:41 <Soul_keeper> 60 a month

16:41 <Soul_keeper> i really like it tho

16:41 <Tidus> at&t doesn't allow anytime plan changes either...

16:41 <Soul_keeper> compared to verisign they are almost identical

16:41 <Tidus> verizon you mean?

16:42 <Soul_keeper> only difference at the time was att had unlimited usage, and verizon had monthly caps

16:42 <Tidus> yeah, and now at&t has monthly caps

16:42 <Soul_keeper> i've also had bad reception experiences with verizon in the past

16:42 <Tidus> only one that doesn't have a cap at the moment is alltel

16:42 <Tidus> and cricket if it's available in your area

16:43 <Soul_keeper> nothing like buy 2 phones, 2 50 dollar per month contracts for 3yrs, then finding out you get no service in your own house

16:43 <Soul_keeper> i'll never forgive verizon for that

16:43 <Soul_keeper> had to pay like 375 bucks to cancel the service

16:43 <Tidus> i'll never forgive verizon for buying out alltel :(

16:44 <Soul_keeper> i even installed a 3' custom antennae on the phones i had and still got no service standing on the streat in front of my house

16:45 <Tidus> see, where i live at now at&t has no reception inside the house

16:45 <Tidus> it's a GSM dead szone

16:45 <Tidus> zone *

16:45 <Soul_keeper> ahh

16:45 <Tidus> only option i have for service is alltel

16:46 <Tidus> verizon doesn't even have towers here

16:46 <Soul_keeper> att trucks are always driving around my neighborhood

16:46 <Soul_keeper> them and t-mobile are alright here

16:46 <Tidus> with alltel, on an older phone with a pull up antenna i get 2 bars of service out of 5

16:46 <Tidus> my newer phone is surprisingly getting 4/6 right now :S

16:47 <Soul_keeper> i get 5 bars with t-mobile, 0 when i had verizon, like 1 when i had cingular

16:47 <MTughan> Gah! I just got bumped down 4 spots in my team because people joined!

16:47 <Tidus> my old phone is showing 4 bars of 5, ev-do active

16:47 <Soul_keeper> cingular was another worthless carrier ...

16:47 <Tidus> well bouncing between 3 and 4

16:48 <Tidus> my old one is a motorola E815 (modified into the amp'd hollywood [E816] case)

16:48 <Tidus> my new one is an LG AX260, otherwise known as the scoop

16:49 <Soul_keeper> i got a cheap nokia cellphone, works great

16:49 <Tidus> the old moto is getting better signal than the LG

16:49 <Tidus> 3/5 versus 2/6

16:49 <MTughan> Just recently got a "cheap" Samsung phone, seems to be working fine.

16:50 <MTughan> Still cost me $60.

16:50 <Soul_keeper> nokia 6010    i find the cheap phones, without all that fancy junk, get the best reception

16:50 <Tidus> the E815 was a feature phone

16:50 <MTughan> Samsung m300.

16:50 <Tidus> the only frill my LG has is a pop out qwerty keypad

16:50 <MTughan> Mine barely comes with a camera... :P

16:51 <Tidus> both of mine are 1.3mp

16:51 <Tidus> and have microSD slots

16:51 <xcamel> I still like my nextel with blackberry

16:51 <MTughan> This one doesn't have any USB ports, any usable BlueTooth connectivity and no media card ports. And I think the camera is VGA or lower.

16:52 <Tidus> my E815 supports all bluetooth profiles except stereo and printing (so yeah, it does have working OBEX and FTP), a microsd slot, and a 1.3mp camera, but i dont have the pc cable for it

16:53 <MTughan> Not like I can compare companies though. Canada has different phone companies. Just suffices to say the phone is CDMA, not GSM, based.

16:53 <Soul_keeper> all my phone does is make calls ...

16:53 <MTughan> I like the way SK thinks. :P

16:53 <xcamel> btw:

16:53 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Iraqi Journalist Throws Shoes At George Bush (at

16:53 <Tidus> my LG 260 supports all BT profiles except stereo only (working obex and ftp on an alltel phone is rare), microsd slot, 1.3mp camera that you actually hold like a camera, and i do have the cable for it

16:54 <xcamel> the old prez has pretty good reflexes

16:54 <Tidus> <-- my old E815

16:54 <Soul_keeper> ohhh man, that was more "in your face" than i'd imagined

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16:55 <Tidus> <-- and my LG 260

16:55 <Romulus> <> (at

16:55 <PovAddict> :O

16:55 <MTughan> Hehe, that was cool...

16:56 <Tidus> heh

16:57 <MTughan> This phone:

16:57 <Romulus> <> (at

16:57 <Tidus> yeah those things suck

16:57 <Tidus> lol

16:57 <Tidus> i know people who can't seem to keep a battery charge on it

16:57 <MTughan> As for my old phone... Just looking it up.

16:57 <Tidus> and they dont even use it very often

16:58 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't really like it too much. I have 5 bars for signal strength, but only 3 for battery.

16:58 <MTughan> And after it gets down to one bar, it'll stay on for about 5 minutes then shut itself off.

16:58 <Tidus> man... 3 bars for battery is pretty standard on ANY phone...

16:58 <Tidus> both my moto and LG only show 3 on a full charge

16:58 <MTughan> My old one had 4 and 4. Easier to tell.

16:59 <Tidus> my LG is 6 signal and 3 battery, my moto is 5 plus the ev/1x indicator for signal, 3 plus flashing red for battery

16:59 <MTughan> Aha, this is the old one...

16:59 <Romulus> <> (at

16:59 <MTughan> Only reason I replaced it was because one of the hinges broke.

16:59 <Tidus> those old nokia's werent bad though

17:00 <MTughan> Nope. It did what I needed it to and nothing more.

17:01 <Tidus> this was my old old one before the moto 815...

17:01 <Romulus> <> (at

17:01 <MTughan> No, phones today aren't as good. They try to throw in everything but the kitchen sink, and it just gets too complicated.

17:01 <MTughan> Heh, nice.

17:01 <xcamel> 3.5gb... half downloaded

17:01 <Tidus> screen pops up when you push the two white buttons on the side

17:01 <xcamel> as long as the power doesn't go out..

17:01 <Tidus> it'll pop the other half of the screen out

17:02 <MTughan> xcamel: You're lucky. I usually have to download overnight for a DVD ISO.

17:02 <Tidus> MTughan: and i've also went through a few razrs, an L7c SLVR ....

17:02 <xcamel> still holding right around 700K

17:02 <Tidus> the slvr was a pain to get on alltel...

17:03 <MTughan> My roommate has a KRZR, but the battery's starting to lose it's charge.

17:03 <Tidus> since they never carried it

17:04 <MTughan> He wants an iPhone, but his carrier doesn't have it... Although it has the Samsung Instinct.

17:04 <Tidus> alltel never carried the L7c, which sucks because that was probably the best phone i'd ever owned

17:04 <Tidus> and the instinct is a darn good phone

17:05 <MTughan> He's stuck in a contract until September though...

17:05 <Tidus> i had to do some tricky firmware reflashing on that moto slvr to get it working :D

17:05 <MTughan> lol

17:05 <xcamel> ph0n hax0rz

17:06 <Tidus> apparently the CDMA slvr (the L7c) and the K1m krzr are hardware identical except the flip and the krzr has a better camera

17:06 <Tidus> and the external screen is not necessary because the slvr was a bar style phone

17:06 <Tidus> alltel carried the k1m, so i just nabbed the firmware file, reflashed the slvr with the krzr software, booted right up and they activated it because i told them i had a krzr

17:07 <MTughan> lol, nice.

17:07 <Tidus> used that thing for a year and a half

17:07 <Tidus> stellar battery life, microsd slot (underneath the battery unfortunately)...

17:08 <xcamel> cell phones are a modern ponzi scheme..

17:08 <MTughan> Yeah, the KRZR's MicroSD slot is under the battery too.

17:08 <efc> I only have a trakphone, and only cuz my mother gave me one and complains if I don't keep it going

17:08 <MTughan> Your mother complains? Why?

17:08 <xcamel> mothers are like that..

17:08 <efc> thinks i'm not safe without it, with my '93/>200k mile car

17:09 <efc> its $20 every 3 months to shut her up, good deal

17:09 <MTughan> Yeah, because a cell phone will protect you in a car crash...

17:09 <Tidus> heh, my parents dont think i'm safe in my '92/>250k car ....

17:09 <Tidus> but they dont complain

17:09 * xcamel wonders if I have any dvrs

17:10 <efc> I drive about 80 miles from their place to mine, so lots of lonely places to break down

17:10 <MTughan> You do quite a bit of driving then. I think we racked up about 150k km on a '93 van before it broke two years ago.

17:10 <MTughan> &math convert 150000 km to miles

17:10 <Romulus> MTughan: 93205.6788356

17:11 <efc> less than 1k a month

17:11 <xcamel> used to drive about 2K a month

17:11 <MTughan> And my grandmother's '93 Chevy has about 45k km on it... xD

17:11 <xcamel> had to give that crap up..

17:11 <MTughan> &math convert 45000 km to miles

17:11 <Romulus> MTughan: 27961.7036507

17:11 <efc> GM really screwed up on this car, its lasted way too long

17:11 <MTughan> rofl

17:11 <xcamel> that happens now and then..

17:12 <xcamel> like the dodge valiant

17:13 <MTughan> We have a Dodge van and a Nissan now... Both nice vehicles, although both are newer.

17:13 <xcamel> I saw one still driving that had half a million on it...

17:13 <efc> olds cutlas, still see a few on the road, good considering the age

17:13 <MTughan> Yeah.

17:13 <MTughan> When was the Oldsmobile name stopped?

17:13 <efc> 2003

17:13 <efc> cutlas around 95 I think

17:14 <efc> later ones were crap apparently

17:15 <Tidus> i know someone who has a '88 chevy celebrity with >350k miles on it

17:15 <MTughan> Cutlasses were started in 1961.

17:15 <efc> I drove one of those too (celebrity)

17:15 <efc> '89 probably

17:16 <efc> I really ought to buy a new car.. these have all been hand me downs.

17:16 <Tidus> my dad had a '90 chevy corsica (pontiac tempest for you canadian folks) that finally gave up at 273k

17:16 <MTughan> Hmm, I recognize the name... Can't put a look to it though.

17:16 <efc> right now you can get lightly used Lexi from people who spent beyond their means pretty cheap..

17:17 <MTughan> Actually, GM did sell Chevy Corsica's in Canada too.

17:19 <xcamel> I had a 66 pontiac bonnie that died just short of 200K

17:21 <Tidus> i have a 92 ford crown vic that's got right at 250k on it and it's still running strong

17:21 <Tidus> still starts when you just barely bump the key, smooth idle and running...

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17:22 <Tidus> i take care of my vehicles

17:23 <Tidus> sounds like it has more power than it should... because it does :D

17:23 <Tidus> and that was done to get rid of the motor issues it had when i bought it

17:29 <xcamel> the crown vic gets what... 10MPG?

17:29 <MTughan> Heh.

17:29 * xcamel dreams about his hemi powered jeep

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17:43 * efc wonders what will be in the s@h stockings for Mr. Andersen this year

17:43 <DerMeister> ... that would me more than three times the amout of fuel my car needs...

17:48 <xcamel> yummy taco bell

17:57 <Tidus> xcamel: mine actually averages 30+ on the highway

17:58 <xcamel> down hill with a stiff wind...

17:58 <Tidus> flat road, 75mph

17:58 <Tidus> was getting 31

17:58 <Tidus> drop to 65 and it goes up to 34

17:59 <Tidus> it's only a small v8

17:59 <Tidus> 289cid

18:00 <Tidus> 4.6 liter

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18:12 <xcamel> sometimes I hate DVD drives..

19:13 <xcamel> amazing how the drives on suprcaml still work just fine...

19:23 <efc> I hope I don't lose all my friends. I'm asking them to breed my Roomba with theirs.

19:23 <efc> And I make it clear whose going to be on top.

19:25 <efc> &wx Yakutsk

19:25 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -60°F / -51°C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 2mph / 4km/h | Updated: 9:00 AM YAKT; Overcast. High:-38 F. / -39 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:-59 F. / -51 C.; Overcast. High:-32 F. / -36 C.; Overcast. Low:-56 F. / -49 C.; Overcast. High:-38 F. / -39 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:-70 F. / -57 C.;

19:25 <efc> Holy Maksutov, batman

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19:26 <xcamel> chilly..

19:28 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

19:28 <MTughan> Hey, do you know about how many BOINC projects there are?

19:30 <xcamel> all of them.

19:30 <efc> 20 or 30?

19:31 <MTughan> I thought there was at least 70.

19:31 <MTughan> zombie67: You there?

19:31 <efc> No telling how many private ones there might be

19:33 <efc> I've been graphing LCD prices per square inch.. by that measure I seem to be best off getting a 19" 5:4.

19:34 <MTughan> Nice.

19:34 <efc> $1.41 / in^2, vs $2.35 for the better dell 24"

19:35 <zombie67> sup?

19:35 <Tidus> efc: how much does the square 19" cost ya?

19:35 <zombie67> I don't keep strict track any more, but well over 80, probably over 100

19:36 <zombie67>

19:36 <Romulus> <> (at

19:36 <MTughan> 61 alone listed on Wikipedia.

19:36 <MTughan> At least for active projects.

19:37 <xcamel> 4.10x on a dvd write... like waiting for hell to freeze over

19:37 <xcamel> 3.495 gb to write

19:38 <zombie67> 78 listed on the conservative BOINCstats

19:38 <MTughan> So at least 80, because I know BOINCStats doesn't list at least QCN, probably others.

19:39 <zombie67> oh yeah, there are many more than what's on BS

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19:42 <MTughan> Well, that helps somewhat... I had someone ask me how many projects there were in all. I told him at least 80, but I'd check that.

19:42 <zombie67> finally broke 250k @ ralph

19:42 <Tidus> it's dropped 20 degrees F in the last hour :(

19:42 <Tidus> was 66 exactly an hour ago

19:42 <Tidus> &weather 65647

19:42 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 39.4F / 4.1C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 28.53in / 966.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Periods of rain showers and freezing rain likely in the evening. Sleet likely through the night. Snow likely after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation up to 1 inch. Ice accumulation of less than one quarter of an (2 more messages)

19:44 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 6.5F / -14.2C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.88in / 1011.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. A slight chance of snow early in the evening...then flurries late in the evening. Windy. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts (2 more messages)

19:44 <wdsmia> &more

19:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: to around 40 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Very cold. High 5 to 10 above. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Wind chill readings 15 to 20 below.; Monday Night - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Low zero to 5 below. North wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the east after midnight.; Wind Chill (1 more message)

19:44 <wdsmia> &more

19:44 <Romulus> wdsmia: Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on December 15, 2008;

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19:45 <wdsmia> Brrrr

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20:17 <xcamel> UFO or no??

20:17 <xcamel>

20:17 <Romulus> <> (at

20:26 <xcamel> seems like many witnesses, and verified as not some lame CGI

21:11 <xcamel> fc10 is one odd bird...

21:14 <wdsmia> darn its cold out there

21:15 <wdsmia> down to 4F and 25 mph wind

21:16 <xcamel> anyone know how to unsuspend from the cmd line?

21:16 <xcamel> in boinc

21:18 <xcamel> grrrr...

21:19 <xcamel> btw.. boincmgr will not run in fc10

21:20 <MTughan> "boinc_cmd --set_run_mode auto" ?

21:25 <xcamel> that helped

21:27 <xcamel> laterz..

21:27 <MTughan> Seeya Jay.

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21:44 <Soul_keeper> wake up !!!

21:44 <PovAddict> I'm awake

21:45 <MTughan> Ditto.

21:46 <Soul_keeper> keep it that way

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23:02 <Tidus> &weather 65647

23:02 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 26.2F / -3.2C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 28.79in / 974.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 3.1mph / 5.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Periods of freezing rain and isolated thunderstorms in the late evening and early morning. Periods of sleet through the night. Snow likely after midnight. Little or no new snow and sleet accumulation. New ice (3 more messages)

23:03 <Tidus> :( ... dropped 40F in just a shade over 4 hrs

23:08 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

23:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 2.2F / -16.6C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 13.0mph / 20.9km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Cloudy in the late evening and early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Windy. Scattered flurries late in the evening. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 20 to 30 mph with gusts to (2 more messages)

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23:12 <Tidus> wow... cold where you are

23:12 <Tidus> &zipinfo 50319

23:12 <Romulus> Tidus: City: Des Moines; State: IA; County: Polk; Area Code: 515; Time Zone: CST; Daylight Savings: Yes; Latitude: 41.5929 (North); Longitude: 93.6001 (West)

23:12 <Tidus> heh, i got a friend that lives less than hr away from you

23:12 <MTughan> &wx YOW

23:12 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.10in / 1019hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM EST; Tonight - Periods of snow mixed with ice pellets and freezing rain changing to rain at times mixed with snow overnight. Wind becoming south 20 km/h (12 mph) overnight. Temperature rising to 0C(32F) by morning.; Monday - (1 more message)

23:12 <wdsmia> its a bit chilly

23:12 <MTughan> We're quite warm ATM.

23:13 <Tidus> i got a friend that lives in huxley, barely an hr from des moines

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23:19 <linear_shift> efc: moo again :D

23:19 <Tidus> welcome back efc

23:19 <efc> Moo

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