IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2008-12-17

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00:09 <MTughan> Damn it, I can't get the CPU fan to work properly now... :(

00:18 <Soul_keeper> get a new one

00:18 <Soul_keeper> those cheap china/taiwan fans always fail,  dust clogs um up

00:18 <MTughan> What, a new CPU fan?

00:19 <Soul_keeper> http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/   this place has tons of fans

00:19 <Romulus> Title: Sidewinder Computers - Supplier of High Quality PC Modding and Cooling parts (at www.sidewindercomputers.com)

00:19 <MTughan> May I remind you I have two laptops, and it was the Mac fan failing?

00:21 <MTughan> And just as I've about got all the screws out... It starts working.

00:24 <MTughan> Apple put way too many damn screws in this thing... Shouldn't take 10 minutes to open a laptop. 20 screws.

00:30 <MTughan> I think one of the fan blades is hitting the fan cover actually... Nothing I can do about it. I was sort of recommended anyway to see if Apple would exchange it, so that works out fine for me.

00:30 <MTughan> Otherwise, it's still under warranty.

00:30 <MTughan> But there's no way I can BOINC with this tonight...

00:31 <MTughan> At least my Lenovo is still going strong.

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01:45 <Tank_Master-> haha

01:45 <Tank_Master-> stb MTughan

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01:56 <efc> Hey, that HP monitor I wanted is $125 off..

02:01 <Tank_Master> nice

02:03 <linear_shift> i have a 17-inch sony wxga monitor from back in the day

02:03 <efc> That gets it down to about $500

02:03 <linear_shift> i have a 17-inch sony wxga lcd monitor from back in the day

02:04 <efc> Wide one?

02:04 <efc> I have a 17 incher now, samsumg, not bad

02:04 <linear_shift> got it for the sync on green ability for my playstation 2 linux system

02:04 <efc> the 17 inch "widescreens" are a joke though..

02:06 <linear_shift> i haven't used my PS2 in like two years

02:06 <linear_shift> collecting dust

02:07 <linear_shift> the linux kit is a collectors item though

02:13 <efc> &wx yakutsk

02:13 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -49°F / -45°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM YAKT; Partly Cloudy. High:-52 F. / -47 C.; Overcast. Low:-61 F. / -52 C.; Overcast. High:-52 F. / -47 C.; Overcast. Low:-59 F. / -51 C.; Overcast. High:-52 F. / -47 C.; Overcast. Low:-59 F. / -51 C.;

02:14 <linear_shift> yakutsk?

02:15 <efc> Siberia

02:15 <linear_shift> oh

02:15 <linear_shift> &wx vostok antarctica

02:15 <Romulus> linear_shift: Temperature: -13°F / -25°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM VOST; Clear. High:-14 F. / -26 C.; Clear. Low:-43 F. / -42 C.; Scattered Clouds. High:-11 F. / -24 C.; Overcast. Low:-32 F. / -36 C.; Overcast. High:-2 F. / -19 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:-23 F. / -31 C.;

02:15 <linear_shift> oh yeah

02:16 <linear_shift> summer o'er there

02:16 <linear_shift> duh

02:16 <efc> During winter Yakutsk is the coldest I can find, almost always

02:16 <efc> was -54 F the other day

02:17 <linear_shift> bbl

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03:11 <efc> Yuck, I get sales tax on S&H

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03:31 <efc> the $100 off seems to be a lie

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04:17 <CoderForLife> morning

04:18 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.2F / 0.1C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4.6mph / 7.4km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Areas of freezing drizzle with a slight chance of freezing rain this morning. Light ice accumulation possible. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Tonight - (1 more message)

04:19 <CoderForLife> &more

04:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. North winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast after midnight.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. A 30 percent chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the upper 30s. East winds around 5 mph... becoming southeast.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 10:00 AM EST on December 17, 2008;

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05:29 <linear_shift> lata

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06:30 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:24 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

07:24 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 29.6F / -1.3C | Humidity: 91% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow developing this morning. Snow accumulation up to 2 inches. Highs in the 30s. South wind 5 to 15 mph...except 15 to 25 mph around Tacoma.; Tonight - Snow changing to snow showers. Snow accumulation of 1 to 3 (1 more message)

07:24 <FreeLarry58> &more

07:24 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: inches. Total snow accumulation 2 to 5 inches with the heaviest amounts from Seattle northward. Lows in the 20s to lower 30s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow showers. Highs near 30. Variable wind to 10 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Kitsap County in effect until 10:00 AM PST on December 18, 2008;

07:53 <PovAddict_> woo birthday

07:53 <PovAddict_> ^^^ kinda faked excitement

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08:01 <hawmps> yours?

08:01 <Romulus> Somebody said yours is broken now too, hawmps

08:04 <PovAddict_> yep... 18

08:05 <hawmps> almost legal then..

08:07 <PovAddict_> indeed... the list of things you can do at 18 and the things you need to wait till 21 to do is quite arbitrary

08:08 <hawmps> not the least bit arbitrary...

08:09 <PovAddict_> in your country maybe :P

08:10 <PovAddict_> here it seems to be a consequence of changing a few things from 18 to 21 and viceversa, over time, and forgetting others

08:19 <ELGono> happy birthsay PovAddict_

08:19 <ELGono> -s+d

08:20 <PovAddict_> thx

08:21 <ELGono> enjoy the next years ;)

08:21 <ELGono> i'm pretty sure you'll have some phun

08:23 <PovAddict_> I won't go drink my liver out if that's what you're talking about... :P

08:29 <DerMeister> Well, most people do that before they are even 18... But anyway, happy birthday PovAddict_ :)

08:31 <PovAddict_> thanks!

08:31 <PovAddict_> and yeah... if I had wanted to drink my liver out, age wouldn't have stopped me, just like it didn't stop some friends... but I didn't and don't

08:39 <PovAddict_> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=2055#21883

08:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6r5m7s> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

08:42 <DerMeister> Where did he get this number from? ^^

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10:14 <MTughan> Tank_Master: stb?

10:29 <hawmps> eh?

10:30 <MTughan> <Tank_Master-> haha

10:30 <MTughan> <Tank_Master-> stb MTughan

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10:37 <hawmps> spork >> 41.250.134.178

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10:47 <MTughan> All right, taking the machine in... I'll bbl.

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11:17 <Nickuwo> hey everyone

11:19 <Nickuwo> yikes, dead channel today

11:21 <wdsmia_w> some people have to work for a living

11:21 <hawmps> sad, but true.

11:22 <Nickuwo> i thought money grew on trees...

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11:44 <Soul_keeper> http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/mlib/622/11/622_1226592296.bmp

11:44 <Soul_keeper> http://www.kfyi.com/cc-common/mlib/622/11/622_1226592801.bmp

11:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6m2xyw> (at www.kfyi.com)

11:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6cbycl> (at www.kfyi.com)

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12:05 <Tank_Master> howdy Nickuwo

12:16 <Nickuwo> hey Tank, wassup?

12:18 <Tank_Master> its snowing!!

12:19 <Tank_Master> :P

12:19 <Nickuwo> hehe

12:20 <Nickuwo> snowboarder?

12:20 <Tank_Master> no

12:20 <Nickuwo> just dig the snow, eh?

12:20 <Tank_Master> neighbor has an atv...

12:20 <Nickuwo> nice

12:21 <Tank_Master> and those plastic sleds...

12:21 <Tank_Master> hehe

12:21 <Tank_Master> fun times!

12:21 <Nickuwo> hell yea

12:21 <Tank_Master> noth 2-4" today and 1-2" tomrorw

12:21 <Tank_Master> then prooably 6-12" this weekend

12:21 <Tank_Master> on the vally floor

12:22 <Nickuwo> damn, where do you live?

12:22 <Tank_Master> portland, or

12:22 <Tank_Master> mountains should get 12-18 just today

12:22 <Nickuwo> makes sense

12:23 <Nickuwo> I can deal with snow, but it gets crazy cold here

12:23 <Nickuwo> was like -20 on monday

12:23 <Tank_Master> the snow we got last weeken sucked though

12:24 <Tank_Master> was all powder

12:24 <Nickuwo> yea?

12:24 <Nickuwo> powder is swet

12:24 <Tank_Master> cant make snowmen with it

12:24 <Nickuwo> sweet

12:24 <Nickuwo> true

12:24 <Tank_Master> it was like kicking sand around

12:24 <Nickuwo> learn to snowboard dammit

12:24 <Tank_Master> heh

12:24 <Nickuwo> :)

12:24 <Nickuwo> powder is then your friend

12:25 <Tank_Master> true

12:26 <Nickuwo> i need to think of an interesting module for the web portal at my job...

12:26 <Nickuwo> it's not going so well

12:29 <Nickuwo> I need inspiration!

12:29 <Nickuwo> and a sandwich

12:29 <Tank_Master> get snow

12:29 <Tank_Master> that will inspire you

12:30 <Nickuwo> apparently we wont be getting any until tomorrow night

12:34 <Tank_Master> bumer

12:35 <Nickuwo> totally

12:36 <Tank_Master> I love snow

12:36 <Nickuwo> snow is fun... I know I'll miss it when I move south

12:40 <Tank_Master> why u moving south?

12:41 <Nickuwo> to get away from the snow

12:41 <Nickuwo> :)

12:41 <Tank_Master> heh

12:41 <Tank_Master> why would you want to do that?

12:42 <Nickuwo> sick of it... I'd like to live in 70 degree weather all year long for a bit, see what it's like

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12:42 <Nickuwo> probably wont like it, but it's worth a try i think

12:43 <Tank_Master> hehe

12:43 <Tank_Master> youll hate it

12:43 <Tank_Master> the constant stikyness..

12:44 <Nickuwo> well... that's true, I have to deal with that here tho

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13:44 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news December 17, 2008

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14:06 <hawmps> &wx 12020

14:06 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 29.4F / -1.4C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Cloudy. Near steady temperature in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds around 10 mph.; Thursday - (1 more message)

14:07 <hawmps> &more

14:07 <Romulus> hawmps: Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

14:16 <Romulus> New news from boinc: BOINC news December 17, 2008

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14:31 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

14:31 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 30.0F / -1.1C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Snow...mixing with rain in the mid to late afternoon especially south and west areas possibly with a little freezing rain during the transition. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches with local areas of 4 to 6 inches. (3 more messages)

14:31 <Tank_Master> &more

14:31 <Tank_Master> &more

14:31 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Highs around 35. Southeast wind 10 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Rain in the evening except local areas of snow near The Gorge. Turning to showers after midnight with snow level lowering to near the surface. Snow accumulation of 1 or 2 inches possible except local accumulations near 4 inches above 500 to 1000 feet. Lows around 25. South wind 10 to 20 mph becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph after (2 more messages)

14:31 <Romulus> Tank_Master: midnight.; Thursday - Snow showers in the morning...then snow showers likely in the afternoon. Possible snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches... locally higher at higher elevations. Highs 25 to 30. Southwest wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the northeast in the afternoon.; Winter Storm Warning for Washington County in effect until 10:00 AM PST on December 18, 2008; Special Weather Statement (1 more message)

14:31 <Tank_Master> &more

14:31 <Romulus> Tank_Master: for Washington County in effect until 3:00 PM PST on December 17, 2008;

14:31 <Tank_Master> wow 3 messages

14:32 <Tank_Master> phun stuff!

14:33 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

14:33 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 19.4F / -7.0C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1023.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. High 15 to 20. South wind near 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. Southeast wind around 5 mph.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Freezing rain and sleet in the afternoon. Not as cold. Some (1 more message)

14:33 <wdsmia_w> &more

14:33 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: sleet accumulation possible. A light glazing expected. High in the upper 20s. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Polk County in effect until 6:00 AM CST on December 19, 2008;

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15:39 <PovAddict> &wx eze

15:39 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 90°F / 32°C | Humidity: 29% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Partly Cloudy. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Chance of Rain. High:86 F. / 30 C.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 F. / 20 C.; Partly Cloudy. High:91 F. / 33 C.; Scattered Clouds. Low:69 F. / 21 (1 more message)

15:48 <FreeLarry58> looks like i dodged the sn*- this morning here

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16:06 <xcamel> hola

16:10 <xcamel> well... didn't get all that much snow.

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16:55 <Tank_Master> still coming down here

16:55 <Soul_keeper> lotsa rain here :)

16:55 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

16:55 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 52.3F / 11.3C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.03in / 983.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Rain | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.4mph / 5.5km/h ; Rest of Today - Showers and slight chance of thunderstorms. Highs 50 to 55 in the western valleys to 42 to 47 near the foothills. Winds east 20 mph with gusts 40 mph.; Tonight - Showers and slight chance of thunderstorms. Some (2 more messages)

16:56 <Soul_keeper> &more

16:56 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: thunderstorms may produce gusty winds and small hail. Lows 30 to 40. Winds southwest 15 mph.; Thursday - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Slight chance of showers. Highs 54 to 59 in the western valleys to 45 to 50 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.; Areal Flood Advisory, Flash Flood (1 more message)

16:56 <CoderForLife> hello all

16:56 <Soul_keeper> &more

16:56 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Watch for San Diego County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on December 17, 2008; Wind Advisory for San Diego County in effect until 7:00 PM PST on December 17, 2008;

16:56 <Tank_Master> hiya CFL

16:56 <CoderForLife> hey Tank_Master

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16:59 <CoderForLife> interesting http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468325,00.html

16:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5eh3j5> (at www.foxnews.com)

16:59 <xcamel> looking

17:00 * CoderForLife cancels Arizona travel plans

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17:02 <CoderForLife> is that Saratoga County lit up in red?

17:03 <xcamel> that's warren county

17:03 <Soul_keeper> explain SMRs tho

17:03 * CoderForLife crosses Warren County off his list as well

17:03 <Soul_keeper> the article doesn't list that

17:03 <xcamel> likely to die from cutting down trees, or getting attacked by a beaver.

17:04 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standardized_Mortality_Ratio

17:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3z7u7u> (at en.wikipedia.org)

17:04 <xcamel> or drowning in lake george.

17:04 <CoderForLife> or being struck by lighting hiding under a tree avoiding a beaver attack

17:04 <CoderForLife> er lightning

17:06 <CoderForLife> FTP attack underway

17:06 <CoderForLife> serverpoint.com

17:06 <CoderForLife> from there at me

17:07 <CoderForLife> 72.18.207.149

17:08 <CoderForLife> plinked

17:08 <xcamel> sporked

17:08 <ELGono> we get new email antispam tomorrow

17:08 <ELGono> ironport appliance c360

17:08 <CoderForLife> ironport has a good reputation

17:08 <Soul_keeper> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468369,00.html

17:08 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5987q8> (at www.foxnews.com)

17:09 <ELGono> well part of cisco now

17:09 <CoderForLife> </reputation>

17:09 <ELGono> ;)

17:10 <Soul_keeper> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,467905,00.html    solved john walsh's case !

17:10 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5wjrxc> (at www.foxnews.com)

17:10 <CoderForLife> anyone apply the emergency MS IE 7 path?

17:15 <Soul_keeper> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468605,00.html    2009 will be a good year !!!

17:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5q564h> (at www.foxnews.com)

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17:15 <CoderForLife> hmm  nothing heard on the IE emergency

17:17 <xcamel> nope - no patch yet

17:18 <CoderForLife> really?

17:18 <CoderForLife> not KB960714?

17:18 <MTughan> Just workarounds for prevention at this point AFAIK.

17:19 <CoderForLife> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/ms08-078.mspx

17:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5khsbe> (at www.microsoft.com)

17:21 <CoderForLife> looks like a fix to me

17:22 <CoderForLife> I had my extended family calling me last night for support

17:22 <MTughan> It's possible that's a fix.

17:23 <MTughan> http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00001561.html Updates at the top.

17:23 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6feauk> (at www.f-secure.com)

17:23 <CoderForLife> going have them do Windows/Microsoft update

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17:28 * CoderForLife calls Mom

17:29 * Soul_keeper is too ashamed to call his mom ...

17:29 <xcamel> patch must have already gone in..

17:29 <MTughan> Or it's not pushed out yet.

17:30 <xcamel> who knows..

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17:30 <CoderForLife> downloading now

17:30 <CoderForLife> 2.4mb

17:31 <MTughan> All right... Apple will take back my Mac and ship me a new one.

17:32 <CoderForLife> wants to rebbot my pc

17:32 <CoderForLife> ms natch

17:32 <Tank_Master> you sould upgrade to a PC

17:32 <CoderForLife> er reboot

17:33 * xcamel wants Chrysler to keep building long enough to get my jeep out the door...

17:37 <CoderForLife> that would be good

17:43 <xcamel> otherwise it's gonna suck.

17:43 <xcamel> all plants to shut for 30 days on 12/19

17:43 <CoderForLife> un-good

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17:48 <xcamel> bbiab.

18:02 <CoderForLife> make one update to IE and MS demands ro reboot your PC - it's as if IE were wired into the Windows kernel or something

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18:02 <PovAddict> uh, you mean it isn't?

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18:03 <PovAddict> btw I saw a strange thing to let people upgrade a Linux kernel without rebooting

18:03 <PovAddict> I mean, you already can... you just won't be using the new kernel until a reboot

18:03 <CoderForLife> that's an interesting trick

18:03 <PovAddict> but this thing actually replaced the running kernel

18:04 <PovAddict> (also, I've seen people successfully change from one distro to another without rebooting)

18:04 <KathrynM> now that's a good trick

18:04 <CoderForLife> "... and for my next trick, I will pull out this tablecloth..."

18:04 <KathrynM> bailout the automakers?

18:04 * KathrynM is listening to CNN

18:04 <CoderForLife> replace the car engine while dricing down the road at 80mph

18:05 <CoderForLife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2zqTYgcpfg

18:05 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - EDS "Airplane" (at www.youtube.com)

18:07 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: the tablecloth analogy isn't too far off btw...

18:07 <PovAddict> you're changing the thing that holds everything else :P

18:07 <PovAddict> out to dinner ->

18:07 <CoderForLife> well time to do the MS reboot to apply the IE emergency patch

18:08 <PovAddict> oh that's a bad security hole

18:08 <CoderForLife> I thought the analogy was close =)

18:08 <CoderForLife> here goes

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18:14 <CoderForLife> bcab

18:15 <CoderForLife> hujk?

18:15 <CoderForLife> jyuik fyghun asrtyu

18:18 <CoderForLife> yhik vghu fgyi;d qcfr

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18:19 * wdsmia thinks he will wait for the patch for the patch

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19:06 <xcamel> back again

19:07 <xcamel> refreshing security nap

19:08 <Tank_Master> wb

19:10 <Tank_Master> I see SETI@home now has a gpu app

19:10 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap081217.html

19:10 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 December 17 - The Dumbells (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

19:11 <xcamel> nice APOD

19:13 <xcamel> "Winter storm warning for Las Vegas, 6 inches of snow possible"

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19:28 <CoderForLife> see?  easy

19:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

19:30 <CoderForLife> a slew of MS updates, new Avast anti-virus, new Firefox, new Java version and new version of Miranduh

19:30 <xcamel> alrightythen..

19:30 <CoderForLife> I might even try pressing the Tab key again someday

19:35 <Tank_Master> wtf does this mean?

19:35 <Tank_Master> 12/17/2008 4:33:28 PM|ibercivis|Message from server: Completed result a_6_122.5_24.500_0.01_410.0_0 refused: this result wasn't sent (not needed) Result a_6_57.5_57.500_0.01_410.0_0 is no longer usable

19:36 <Tank_Master> 12/17/2008 4:35:17 PM|ibercivis|Message from server: Completed result a_6_57.5_57.500_0.01_410.0_0 refused: this result wasn't sent (not needed)

19:36 <CoderForLife> the server already received a result for the WU from another user, and doesn't need yours?

19:37 <xcamel> Retired NASA Space Shuttles Are Up for Grabs

19:37 <xcamel> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,468969,00.html

19:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3uhwkp> (at www.foxnews.com)

19:38 <CoderForLife> there's a technical term for the first result returned - it's called the "winner"

19:38 <CoderForLife> bbiab

19:38 <xcamel> second unit is "First Loser"

19:38 <Soul_keeper> http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3478&p=2

19:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3jh7ju> (at anandtech.com)

19:38 <Soul_keeper> nice

19:39 <CoderForLife> yeah - aka "not needed"

19:39 <CoderForLife> again bbiab

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20:06 <wdsmia> re-hi ...back from the store

20:07 <Tank_Master> wb wdsmia

20:07 <wdsmia> had to stock up more nastyness due tomarrow

20:08 <Tank_Master> same here

20:08 <Tank_Master> tonight will be dreaded

20:08 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

20:08 <Tank_Master> its 33 now, snnow is menting, then itll get down to 25

20:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 16.4F / -8.7C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low 5 to 10 above. South wind 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Cloudy. A slight chance of freezing rain and sleet in the morning...then sleet...freezing rain and snow in the afternoon. Some snow and sleet (2 more messages)

20:08 <wdsmia> &more

20:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: accumulation possible. A light glazing expected. High in the mid 20s. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Thursday Night - Freezing rain and sleet in the evening...then snow and sleet after midnight. Not as cold. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Ice accumulation up to two tenths of an inch. Low 15 to 20. Northeast wind around 15 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

20:08 <wdsmia> &more

20:08 <Romulus> wdsmia: precipitation 90 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Polk County in effect until 6:00 AM CST on December 19, 2008;

20:10 <efc> hey

20:11 * wdsmia doesnt like terms like freezing rain, glazing, sleet, and Ice accumulation

20:17 * Tank_Master does

20:17 <Tank_Master> howdy efc

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20:37 <CoderForLife> bedtime for Coder

20:37 <CoderForLife> gn all

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22:28 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: You there?

22:33 <MTughan_> Well, I'm sure someone else can shine some light on this... Making a decision between an Intel and an AMD proc.

22:33 <MTughan_> Intel Q6600, Phenom X4 9950BE, or a Phenom II?

22:34 <Soul_keeper> Phenom II   isn't ready yet

22:34 <MTughan_> I know. But it's out on Jan 9.

22:35 <MTughan_> And will still use an AM2+ board, so it's just the processor I'd have to wait for.

22:36 <PovAddict> I saw an ad for i7 on the subway yesterday

22:36 <MTughan_> i7's too expensive for me.

22:37 <Soul_keeper> phenom II should be good

22:37 <PovAddict> something like "if this subway ran on i7, you'd be in Usuahia* by now" (* that's at the very south of the country, closer to Antarctica than to Buenos Aires)

22:37 <MTughan_> I'm wondering if it's something to wait for though.

22:43 <MTughan_> Does anyone know when some stats on Phenom II should be available?

22:44 <Soul_keeper> there are some database benchmarks for the server version

22:45 <Soul_keeper> shanghai

22:45 <PovAddict> sleeeep ->

22:45 <Soul_keeper> should be about the same

22:45 <MTughan_> Yeah, they're basically the same core, aren't they?

22:45 <MTughan_> Night Pov.

22:57 <Soul_keeper> yeah

23:15 <MTughan_> Well, I think I'm gonna go with the Intels... Seems the Shanghai's can't catch the Intel procs yet. Even with overclocking, I should be able to get a locked Q6600 about the same speed as an unlocked Phenom.

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23:16 <MTughan_> Plus, it's been said that Phenom IIs will start pricing around the i7 920, which is too expensive here.

23:16 <MTughan_> 'lo mmcr

23:16 <mmcr> Hi!

23:16 <mmcr> How things are going ?

23:16 <MTughan_> In BOINC or outside? ;)

23:16 <mmcr> Both :D

23:17 <MTughan_> Well, BOINC... I'm doing fine, I heard 6.4.5 became standard. Outside, I'm deciding between Intel and AMD for a new computer.

23:19 <mmcr> Graphics ? AMD? Calculations AMD...

23:19 <mmcr> lol

23:19 <mmcr> no

23:20 <mmcr> I can say that I'm an AMD fan but Intel is doing great.

23:20 <MTughan_> Deciding between an Intel Core 2 Quad, a Phenom Black, and a Phenom II.

23:21 <MTughan_> When the Phenom IIs come out, that is.

23:21 <MTughan_> I think I've decided to go with the Core 2 Quad.

23:21 <mmcr> Core 2 Quad ?

23:21 <mmcr> Why ?

23:21 <MTughan_> Why C2Q instead of i7 or instead of AMD?

23:22 <Soul_keeper> penom black just uses way too much power imo

23:23 <Soul_keeper> like 140 watts

23:23 <MTughan_> It's down from 140W to 125W.

23:23 <Soul_keeper> still insane

23:23 <mmcr> But if you want to overclock that is the way to go.

23:23 <MTughan_> C2Q is what, 95W?

23:23 <Soul_keeper> specially if you're like me and want to overclock things

23:24 <mmcr> Well at his point both are very very good options and plus motherboards manufacturers are more oriented to intel.

23:24 <MTughan_> mmcr: I know that the current Phenom processors can't compete with the Core 2 Quads, but I wasn't sure about the Phenom IIs.

23:24 <Soul_keeper> yeah the 45nm yorkfields are 95W

23:24 <mmcr> It's hard to find a good motherboard for AMD proccessors.

23:24 <MTughan_> Soul_keeper: The Yorkfields are too expensive for me too.

23:25 <mmcr> A core 2 quad it's too expensive

23:25 <mmcr> If you want power AMD FX-74 ?

23:25 <Soul_keeper> from what i've seen phenom II should be able to beat c2q in everything, i7 tho could be a different story

23:25 <MTughan_> mmcr: If I were to go for the AMD, I'd be getting an Asus M3A79-T Deluxe. AMD 790FX chipset.

23:25 <mmcr> I guess

23:25 <mmcr> or FX-72

23:25 <MTughan_> And the Core 2 Quad I'm looking at is the same price as the 9950BE.

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23:26 <mmcr> How much ?

23:26 <Romulus> How much is the 233 going for back then ? think i got one laying around, mmcr

23:26 <MTughan_> $245CDN.

23:26 <MTughan_> And ignore Romulus, he's just a bot.

23:26 <mmcr> Well but just don't think the brain think about the body you need 1066Mhz bus on the RAMs

23:26 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115042   i own this, hasn't gone down in price in like 6 months

23:26 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/49mtvd> (at www.newegg.com)

23:26 <Soul_keeper> same price i bought it at

23:27 <MTughan_> Yep, that's about the price I'd pay.

23:27 <MTughan_> And yes, I'm getting DDR2-1066 RAM.

23:27 <mmcr> wow

23:27 <Soul_keeper> easily overclocks to 3GHz 3.2 on good air cooling

23:27 <mmcr> and a very nice cooling system...

23:28 <mmcr> Wow how much is your budget ?

23:28 <Soul_keeper> SysInfo: Uname: Linux 2.6.24.5 CPU: Quad Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad  CPU   Q9450  @ 2.66GHz 3304.074 MHz Bogomips: 26431.42 Mem: 1039/2027M [||||||||||] HDD: 595.23/644.67G [||||||||||] Up: 3 days 19 hrs 40 mins 28 secs Load: 4.03 4.05 4.05  Procs: 117 Screen: 1600x1200 (32 bpp) VCORE:1.20

23:28 <MTughan_> Me? About $800.

23:28 <Soul_keeper> guess i got mine at 3.3,  but only because it's winter

23:28 <Soul_keeper> wasn't stable at these speeds in the summer

23:31 <mmcr> Are you running win or linux ? or bsd ?

23:31 <Soul_keeper> linux

23:31 <Soul_keeper> always :)

23:31 <mmcr> Distro ?

23:31 <Soul_keeper> slackware

23:31 <mmcr> Nice.

23:32 <MTughan_> Fedora 8 here.

23:32 <mmcr> A lot of headaches lol

23:32 <mmcr> Debian here.

23:32 <Soul_keeper> slackware is all i know, the other stuff is too hard to use

23:32 <Soul_keeper> using something else makes me feel naked

23:32 <Soul_keeper> :)

23:32 <mmcr> hahaha

23:32 <mmcr> where you from ?

23:32 * mmcr is from cali.

23:33 <Soul_keeper> same here

23:33 <mmcr> Where in cali ?

23:34 <MTughan_> Heh, you're all far from me... Toronto, Canada ATM.

23:35 <Soul_keeper> san diego

23:35 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

23:35 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 51.3F / 10.7C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.15in / 987.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5.8mph / 9.3km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Showers and isolated thunderstorms early in the evening...then showers likely and isolated thunderstorms overnight. Lows 31 to 41. Winds southwest 15 mph with gusts to 25 mph.; Thursday - Partly cloudy in the (2 more messages)

23:37 <mmcr> My girl lives in Canada.

23:43 <MTughan_> All right, I'm going with the Intel system.

23:44 <mmcr> Actually my girl lives in toronto :D

23:44 <granpa_paul> wifey is getting me an iphone 3g

23:44 <MTughan_> And to your question mmcr, I chose it over i7 because that's too expensive right now, and over AMD because it seems to have more performance overall, plus a lower TDP.

23:44 <mmcr> Iphone i'm sorry but they suc*

23:45 <granpa_paul> well i haven't the heart to tell her that

23:45 <MTughan_> Well, apparently Vegas got 4 inches of snow today.

23:45 <Soul_keeper> yeah power consumption is important to me,  was my main factor in getting an  ATI video card

23:45 <MTughan_> Going for either a Radeon HD4870 or a GeForce 9800GTX+, OC'd by BFG.

23:46 <granpa_paul> just need to find someone to pay the 30 a month data

23:46 <MTughan_> The 4870 is preferred, even though I'd have to wait a bit before I could crunch BOINC with it.

23:46 <MTughan_> Heh granpa_paul.

23:46 <Soul_keeper> supposed to be reviews of nvidia's new video cards coming out tomarrow

23:46 <MTughan_> Tell her to get you an iPod touch instead? Basically an iPhone without the phone.

23:47 <MTughan_> Soul_keeper: What new video cards?

23:48 <MTughan_> 285 and 290?

23:48 <MTughan_> 295*

23:48 <Soul_keeper> yeah

23:48 <Soul_keeper> probably still a month or two out tho

23:48 <Soul_keeper> and amd will likely answer

23:49 <MTughan_> Hmm, the 295 sort of looks like 2x 260.

23:49 <Soul_keeper> a spring revamp basically

23:49 <MTughan_> Any pricing yet?

23:50 <Soul_keeper> 500 bucks i think ...

23:50 <MTughan_> USD or CDN, way too much for me.

23:50 <MTughan_> The 4870 just dropped to $265.

23:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah just the recommended retail price, so likely 550+

23:51 <Soul_keeper> insane

23:51 <Soul_keeper> i like my 3870

23:52 <MTughan_> The 3470 in this laptop doesn't seem too bad, although they modded the card ID, so I need to modify the drivers.

23:53 <Soul_keeper> ahh

23:55 <MTughan_> Stupid commercial on... Car covered in snow, someone's trying to start it. It won't catch. Announcer: "Need a reliable car this winter?" How about clearing the 2" layer of snow off the car first...

23:55 <Soul_keeper> lol

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