IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2008-12-26

00:02 <sethy> XKCD::

00:02 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Google Trends (at

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00:05 <sethy> &nn

00:05 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

00:17 <MTughan> Oh, I'm 400 positions behind PovAddict...

00:18 <PovAddict> >.<

00:18 <Tidus> lol

00:18 <MTughan>;991407.gif

00:18 <Romulus> <> (at

00:23 <MTughan> 408 positions behind as of BOINCStats last incremental update.

00:47 <Soul_keeper> good work

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00:49 <Soul_keeper>;991407.gif   now catch me MTughan

00:49 <Romulus> <> (at

00:53 <infinisoft> I'm aiming at hitting 1M credits in late jan or early feb :D

00:53 <Soul_keeper> i'm 60 days out from 2M

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01:21 <infinisoft> Is the exclusive apps feature still in a dev version of BOINC?

01:26 <Soul_keeper> "exclusive apps"  what's that ?

01:27 <Soul_keeper> there is a #cuda chan :)

01:28 <infinisoft> AFAIK, Its a list of apps you can specify so that if BOINC detects them running then it suspends itself,

01:29 <Soul_keeper> havn't seen that feature

01:29 <infinisoft> Im not sure if its in the GUI, I think its just a cc_config.xml entry

01:29 <infinisoft> Anyway I've run into a few situations where it'd be useful

01:31 <Soul_keeper> they did add some new stuff

01:31 <Soul_keeper> for moving the mouse/keyboard

01:31 <infinisoft> Hate to have to go to a dev version though, I usually find the latest "stable" has enough problems as is :P

01:32 <Soul_keeper> i just played with 6.5.0 last night

01:32 <Soul_keeper> seems ok

01:33 <infinisoft> Hmm I hope they can manage to get the CUDA stuff sorted out in SETI, its got a lot of potential, and alot of people have been asking for GPU apps for a long time too

01:34 <Soul_keeper> yeah they still got some work

01:34 <Soul_keeper> but shouldn't be far off at this point

01:35 <infinisoft> And could encourage other projects to step up to the plate and consider it too, if SETI manages to squeeze enough power out of them

01:36 <infinisoft> Not sure if they can actually utilize all of that since they always run into low work/server outage issues all the time...

01:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah

01:36 <Soul_keeper> well my brand new 9800GT is just sitting here waiting :)

01:37 <Soul_keeper> boinc is the only reason i bought it

01:37 <Tidus> i wouldn't be wasting a 9800gt on just boinc...

01:37 <Tidus> i do play games

01:37 <infinisoft> Heh

01:37 <Soul_keeper> i'm thinking if i play with combinations of versions for drivers/apps i might be able to get it working

01:38 <Soul_keeper> Tidus, i got a 3870 for games :)

01:38 <infinisoft> Unfortunately I use a laptop with 7-series nvidia and there's no socket standard for mobile GPUs :(

01:38 <Tank_Master> howdy SK

01:38 <Soul_keeper> hey

01:38 <infinisoft> So I'm stuck with non-cuda

01:39 <Tank_Master> three is a PCI-e standard for laptops

01:39 <Tank_Master> however, its the configueration for the size and shape for the cards that is not standard

01:39 <infinisoft> Well but the GPUs are somewhat soldered to the mobo aren't they.

01:40 <Tank_Master> not always

01:40 <Tank_Master> depends on if they used a chipset for the graphics or a card

01:40 <Soul_keeper> they just left out the mobile gpu support for now, untill they work out things

01:40 <Soul_keeper> but it appears 8100 and up is what will be supported

01:41 <infinisoft> Well right now a Geforce Go 7300 is installed

01:41 <infinisoft> Which was the best thing I was able to get at the time :P

01:41 <Tank_Master> thats not cuda compliant

01:42 <Soul_keeper> you can get a cuda compliant card for like 50 bucks right now

01:44 <infinisoft> I know, it would be nice if possible to upgrade it but I'd also have to think about whether the laptop can still cool itself and have decent battery life

01:45 <Soul_keeper> yeah can't upgrade laptop graphics ... unless get one of the new external deals they are doing

01:45 <infinisoft> Actually I found out yesterday that I had a dust thing stopping my CPU fan, wasn't fun at all

01:45 <infinisoft> Apparently I can survive though if I stay at idle power with just the heatsink :D

01:46 <Soul_keeper> ahh

01:46 <infinisoft> With BOINC running though the sucker had gone up to 90 C then cut its frequency in half before hitting 90C again and then I realized something was not right

01:47 <Soul_keeper> yeah gotta open them up every few months to clean them out

01:47 <Soul_keeper> i use a toothbrush to clean heatsinks

01:47 <Soul_keeper> or can of air works i guess

01:47 <infinisoft> I thought about the youtube video of the AMD blowing up when it was running without any heatsink

01:48 <Soul_keeper> efc, i'm gonna kick back in that channel from now on and just observe

01:48 <Soul_keeper> not sure if it's just a "fan club" or if some actual coding talk goes on

01:48 <efc> I see

01:53 <Soul_keeper> infinisoft, yeah both amd/intel upgraded the sensor tech, they should be ok now

02:01 <infinisoft> yeah thank goodness

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02:18 <Tank_Master> uh oh

02:18 <Tank_Master> yoyo's here

02:18 <Tank_Master> means I should head to bed

02:19 <Tank_Master> then why do I have a craving to do walk outside in the snow?

02:19 <yoyo[RKN]> jo

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02:44 <FreeLarry58> you mean freezing slush Tank_Master

02:45 <Tank_Master> no

02:45 <Tank_Master> just slushy snow

02:45 <FreeLarry58> is here

02:45 <Tank_Master> huh, well it is 30 now

02:45 <Tank_Master> when did that happen?

02:45 <FreeLarry58> cleared the street infront of drive today 4.5 inch icy sheets of slush

02:45 <Tank_Master> fun

02:46 <FreeLarry58> and cold enough now for street to freeze

02:46 <FreeLarry58> twas a bit of work

02:46 <Tank_Master> I bet

02:47 <FreeLarry58> you watch now tomorrow the county will send a plow thru and i'll have to clear drive entrance again

02:47 <FreeLarry58> now that they are projecting rain for next 3 days

02:48 <Tank_Master> hehe

02:48 <Tank_Master> yeah

02:48 <Tank_Master> they only have 4 snow plows for the entier county here

02:49 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx berlin, germany

02:49 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 25°F / -4°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.83in / 1044hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 8:20 AM CET; Clear. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:24 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:22 F.; Clear. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.;

02:49 <yoyo[RKN]> brrrr

02:49 <FreeLarry58> ahh theres more - how many earth movers and graders in county

02:49 <Tank_Master> balmy

02:49 <yoyo[RKN]> make more mulled wine

02:49 <Tank_Master> no idea

02:49 <FreeLarry58> humm think just a tad colder than here

02:50 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 33.1F / 0.6C | Humidity: 98% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Light Freezing Fog | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with showers likely mostly of snow. Accumulations generally less than an inch. Patchy fog. Lows mid 20s to lower 30s. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph becoming light overnight.; Friday - Patchy fog (1 more message)

02:50 <Tank_Master> &more

02:50 <Tank_Master> &more

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: in the morning. A chance of snow showers in the morning...then rain and snow in the afternoon. Snow level rising to between 500 and 1000 feet in the afternoon. Local snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Highs 35 to 40. Southeast wind 5 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Rain. Lows 35 to 40. South wind 15 to 25 mph.;

02:50 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Error: That's all, there is no more.

02:50 <Tank_Master> heh

02:50 <Tank_Master> it aint gonna snow if its abobe freezing

02:50 <FreeLarry58> humm sounds a bit worse there

02:50 <Tank_Master> above*

02:51 <FreeLarry58> no have seen snow coming down all the way to 40F and stick

02:51 <Tank_Master> we have the colobia gorge that is still spilling out cold air

02:51 <FreeLarry58> just not long

02:51 <FreeLarry58> yeah kind of like lake effect snow

02:52 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

02:52 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 33.6F / 0.9C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow or rain showers. Patchy fog. Lows in the mid 20s to lower 30s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Friday - Cloudy with a chance of rain (1 more message)

02:52 <FreeLarry58> &more

02:52 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: in the morning...then rain likely in the afternoon. Precipitation may begin as snow before changing to rain. Highs in the mid 30s to lower 40s. South wind to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Breezy...rain. Lows in the upper 30s. South wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to 15 to 25 mph after midnight.; Special Weather Statement for Kitsap County in effect until 4:45 AM PST on December 26, 2008;

02:52 <Tank_Master> somewhat, yeah

02:52 <FreeLarry58> heatpump sensor says 31 here

02:53 <FreeLarry58> with slight breeze

02:54 <FreeLarry58> at least half the snow melted off roof today which is good

02:54 <FreeLarry58> didn't like seeing 18" on roof

03:00 <Tank_Master> we only had 13"

03:00 <Tank_Master> and yeah

03:01 <Tank_Master> I had to get up on the roof andpush the snow off the awning we have out back

03:01 <Tank_Master> it was starting to bow under the weight

03:02 <Soul_keeper> fun

03:02 <Soul_keeper> the had a walgreens whose roof caved in last year from that

03:03 <Soul_keeper> they*

03:03 <Soul_keeper> killed some people

03:04 <Tank_Master> ouch

03:05 <Tank_Master> that must have left a mark

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03:57 * Tidus bangs head on desk in a frustrated fashion...

03:58 <Tidus> 2... freaking ... hours ... on the phone with a guy that doesn't seem to know the mouse (computer-type) from a mouse (furry-type)

03:58 <Tidus> and he called me having computer issues :(

03:59 <Soul_keeper> change your phone number :)

03:59 <Soul_keeper> don't need phones anyways ...

04:00 <Tidus> seriously thinking about it

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04:22 <Tidus> in all fairness, the guy did understand the directions i was giving him

04:28 <ChristmasCoder> fairness?  in what way was that fair?

04:29 <Tidus> because he understood the directions and was able to follow them

04:29 <Tidus> just was clueless as to how to begin

04:29 <ChristmasCoder> you were compensated for 2 hours of your Christmas Day - how?

04:29 <Tidus> he put $20 on my phone

04:30 <ChristmasCoder> uh-huh - nice

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04:51 <CoderForANewYear> brb breakfast

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05:06 <CoderForANewYear> b

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07:04 <CoderForANewYear> &wx 45140

07:04 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 29.3F / -1.5C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1021.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - A slight chance of rain...possibly mixed with freezing rain early this morning...then rain showers likely late morning on. Rain showers likely this afternoon. Highs in the mid 50s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. (1 more message)

07:04 <CoderForANewYear> &more

07:04 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a chance of showers and a slight chance of thunderstorms. Lows around 50. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 50 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers. Near record highs in the upper 60s. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

07:12 <desti> nothing to do? make some snowmen ~

07:12 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:12 <xcamel> 'lo

08:12 <CoderForANewYear> morning Jay

08:15 <xcamel> back down to 16F

08:16 <CoderForANewYear> heat wave over

08:16 <CoderForANewYear> hope you worked on your tan while you had the chance

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08:24 <xcamel> lol

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08:33 <CoderForANewYear> I see Doug is back at w@#% - no rest for the righteous

08:33 <wdsmia_w> you got that right

08:34 <wdsmia_w> someone has to take the tape dump off site

08:34 <CoderForANewYear> it's a dirty job

08:36 <wdsmia_w> sloppy job today 41F and everything is melting

08:45 <xcamel> wild weather changes now through sunday...

08:48 <xcamel> ok..what was the best program to move the contents of a dying drive over to an existing good one?

08:48 <xcamel> in XP

08:50 <wdsmia_w> partion magic allways works well for me doing that

08:50 <xcamel>

08:50 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2008 December 26 - The Elephant s Trunk in IC 1396 (at

08:51 <xcamel> I wonder if I still even have that..

08:56 <xcamel> I still have acronis - getting the 'delayed write failure' on E (old 38 gb ibm drive)

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09:17 <CoderForANewYear> I might suggest Norton Ghost, xcamel, but it ain't free

09:19 <CoderForANewYear> maybe FOG might work

09:19 <Romulus> Title: FOG :: A Computer Cloning Solution - Home (at

09:23 <xcamel> trying paragon

09:23 <xcamel> not free either.

09:23 <xcamel> hate anything from norton/symantec

09:27 <CoderForANewYear> understood

09:28 <CoderForANewYear> we used Ghost for many years before Symantec bought it

09:28 <xcamel> typical though  - all my "good stuff" is on the drive that is going south..

09:29 <xcamel> and just a handful of non rewritable sectors going bad

09:29 <CoderForANewYear> yep typical

09:30 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: I probably can catch you, just might take a couple months. The new quad should help.

09:30 <Soul_keeper> :)

09:45 <CoderForANewYear> some errands to run - bbl

09:52 <sethy> RAWR

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10:58 <PovAddict> xcamel: there is an interesting tool...

10:58 <PovAddict> xcamel: works like 'dd' but instead of failing on an unreadable sector, it tries a few more times, if still no go, continues with the rest

10:58 <PovAddict> ddrescue IIRC

11:01 <PovAddict> should be in your distro repositories

11:02 <Soul_keeper> "Fry's VP has allegedly embezzled over $65 million from the retailer to fund a lavish lifestyle that included massive gambling and a penchant for driving Ferrari's. The VP in question is Ausaf Umar Siddiqui and he is accused by the IRS of cutting deals with some of Fry's largest suppliers to buy larger orders of goods from them in return for kickbacks and higher than normal commissions."

11:02 <Soul_keeper> "Siddiqui's gambling habits were so massive that the casino would charter private jets to fly him to Las Vegas to gamble. The man was arrested at Fry's headquarters and a judge ordered him held on a $300,000 bond."

11:04 <PovAddict> in a sane world, if his gambling "habits" were so massive, the casino would get him a doctor to help him with the addiction

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11:05 <Soul_keeper> maybe the casino will post his bail :)

11:05 <PovAddict> lol

11:06 <PovAddict> I heard of a woman who asked casinos not to let her in

11:07 <Soul_keeper> do you participate in seti beta ?

11:07 <PovAddict> no

11:07 <PovAddict> I don't even "participate" in SETI anymore

11:07 <PovAddict> (in seti beta I don't even have an account)

11:07 <Soul_keeper> astropulse

11:07 <Soul_keeper> hmm ok

11:11 <Soul_keeper> i thought you were in all the projects ...

11:13 <PovAddict> I am, as in I have an account in all

11:13 <PovAddict> I started with SETI

11:15 <Soul_keeper> connect to seti beta and see if you can download WU's

11:16 <PovAddict> I have a seti account, haven't attached in ages; but I don't have a seti beta account

11:16 <PovAddict> nor i care about seti

11:20 <xcamel> thanks pov, but it's the damned winbox.

11:20 <xcamel> I moved the important stuff to another drive manually

11:21 <PovAddict> Linux livecd? :)

11:22 <PovAddict> I'd recommend SpinRite but it's $89

11:22 <PovAddict> may not be worth it if you already managed to save your important data

11:23 <xcamel> I have acronis, and paragon

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11:46 <xcamel> sheesh.. another weather mess coming in..

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11:50 <xcamel> &wx 12074

11:50 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 26.3F / -3.2C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.62in / 1036.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 30s. Light and variable winds...becoming southeast around 5 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of snow or sleet in the evening...then rain and freezing rain or sleet likely after (1 more message)

11:50 <xcamel> &more

11:50 <Romulus> xcamel: midnight. Little or no snow and sleet accumulation. Lows around 30. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Saturday - Cloudy. Rain likely in the morning...then a chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 40s. South winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.;

11:52 <xcamel> lol - day after xmas, and all the spam, zombie, pornbot, and id snatch bots are really slowing things down

11:53 <xcamel> my firewalls are spending more time killing hackers than getting content...

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12:10 <xcamel> 'lo

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12:23 <Soul_keeper> downloading slack 12.2 torrents at 1.2MB/s  :)

12:28 <Tank_Master> why so slow?

12:29 <Soul_keeper> :)

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14:09 <Tidus> &weather 65647

14:09 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 67.9F / 19.9C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; This Afternoon - Cloudy with a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms. Windy. Unseasonably warm with near record breaking temperatures likely. Highs in the upper 60s. South winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. (2 more messages)

14:09 <Tidus> nice outside...

14:10 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

14:10 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 52.3F / 11.3C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy in the morning...becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 52 to 57 in the western valleys to 43 to 48 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon.; (1 more message)

14:11 <Soul_keeper> &more

14:11 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Tonight - Mostly clear. Patchy fog. Patchy frost in colder... wind sheltered locations overnight. Lows 29 to 39. Light winds.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 59 to 64 in the western valleys to 50 to 55 near the foothills. Light winds.;

14:11 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

14:11 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 52.2F / 11.2C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.58in / 1001.6hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy. Not as cool. Areas of fog. Areas of drizzle. High in the upper 40s. South wind 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain and areas of drizzle in the evening...then a chance of rain and a slight chance (2 more messages)

14:14 <MTughan> All right, XP installing on the quad. I'll push Vista x64 or Server 2008 x64 afterwards.

14:15 <PovAddict> >_<

14:15 <MTughan> Oh, and a CPU burn-in period is required before getting temperatures, to allow the thermal paste to set in. I know just the program... :D

14:15 <MTughan> 4 instances of ABC oughta stress the proc.

14:16 <PovAddict> prolly

14:16 <MTughan> Oh... And the HD4870 card: it's absolutely massive!

14:16 <MTughan> I almost couldn't get the PCIe power connectors in because they were just short of the hard drive cage.

14:17 <MTughan> Damn nice cooler look though.

14:18 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Do you know if Server 2008 supports all the programs Vista would?

14:18 <MTughan> I'm thinking games here, as it's the reason I'm going with Windows instead of Linux.

14:18 <MTughan> And I don't care about DX10.

14:29 <Tidus> MTughan: i'm guessing it would, and most games are now requiring DX10

14:32 <PovAddict> &ping

14:32 <Romulus> pong

14:32 <Tank_Master> most of them

14:32 <Tank_Master> the ATI control pannel is the only program I have cound that will not work

14:33 <Tank_Master> some programs will detect that its a server OS and not a desktop OS and resue to install

14:33 <Tank_Master> cus they wnt you to pay more for the server version

14:34 <PovAddict> wonder if Windows has something like LD_PRELOAD :)

14:34 <Tidus> PovAddict: it's called prefetch / superfetch, been there since XP

14:35 <PovAddict> Tidus: do you know what LD_PRELOAD is?

14:35 <Tidus> yeah, prelinking

14:35 <PovAddict> "A  whitespace-separated list of additional, user-specified, ELF shared libraries to be loaded before all others. This can be used to selectively override functions in other shared libraries."

14:36 <Tidus> i'm not sure if pre/superfetch can be tweaked like that, but it does similar stuff

14:36 <PovAddict> superfetch sounds like a performance feature, preloading stuff before the program does

14:36 <PovAddict> I want to load a custom DLL that has a function returning a fake OS name, to trick programs that test for server OS

14:37 <Tidus> ah... unsure how to do it, but i know it's possible

14:39 <Tidus> brb, switching comps

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14:42 <MTughan> Well, Vista doesn't seem to want to install... I can try Server '08.

14:43 <MTughan> At least the burner still works in this thing... >_>

14:43 <CoderForANewYear> boinc refuses to run on Server 2003 for me

14:44 <Tank_Master> sever 2008 is more stable than vista

14:44 <Tank_Master> dosent ahve all the boat

14:44 <CoderForANewYear> um, when configured as a doman controller

14:44 <Tank_Master> and BOIN workes just fine on it

14:44 <Tank_Master> no, out of the box

14:44 <PovAddict> doman controllers won't run BOINC 6.x

14:44 <Tank_Master> server 2008 dosent install anything

14:44 <PovAddict> domain*

14:44 <Tank_Master> not even the DC stuff is installed by default

14:45 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: the DC stuff is never installed by default...

14:45 <CoderForANewYear> boincmgr refuses to run on Server 2003 when it is in a domain controller role

14:45 <Tank_Master> sure they will, if you know how to do it

14:45 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: BOINC installer specifically checks for DC and refuses to install, because it causes problems

14:45 <CoderForANewYear> right

14:46 <Tank_Master> dose it now?

14:46 <Tank_Master> I never tried 6.x

14:46 <Tank_Master> as a service

14:47 <MTughan> Well, Vista finally decided to let me install... Problem was before that I started from the CD, got the "Vista" wallpaper and a mouse, and that was it. I let it sit for a couple minutes this time, and whaddya know? I got a prompt...

14:47 <MTughan> Seems the installer is as slow as the rest of Vista. Anyway, it's installing now, Server '08 burning. I can always wipe the partition again.

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14:49 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:49 <Tank_Master> I have had no issues with server 2008

14:49 <Tank_Master> extreamly stable

14:50 <Tank_Master> only time I had it bluescrean was with to much overclock

14:50 <Tank_Master> and even then it soemtimes just abended the driver or program that crashed and reinited it w/o taking down the entier OS

14:53 <PovAddict> you can manually reload drivers on Linux

14:53 <PovAddict> easy to get it wrong tho ->

14:53 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #224378 (at

14:54 <MTughan> lol

14:55 <PovAddict> similarly, never do ifdown eth0 over ssh

14:55 <PovAddict> (I've sometimes risked ifdown eth0;ifup eth0; in one line, fortunately it worked and could get ssh back)

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15:53 <CoderForANewYear> &wx 45140

15:53 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Temperature: 48.5F / 9.2C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1017.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Areas of dense fog this evening with visibility one quarter mile or less at times. A chance of showers...mainly this evening. Temperatures near steady in the lower 50s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of (2 more messages)

15:53 <CoderForANewYear> &more

15:53 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: rain 30 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of showers mainly in the afternoon. Record highs around 70. South winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph. Chance of rain 30 percent.; Saturday Night - Occasional showers. Breezy and mild with lows in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 40 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Dense Fog Advisory for (1 more message)

15:54 <CoderForANewYear> 70?!

15:54 <PovAddict> 70mm of rain?

15:54 <CoderForANewYear> 70F

15:54 <PovAddict> doesn't say :)

15:54 <CoderForANewYear> on 12/27

15:54 <PovAddict> how will it manage to go up so much?

15:54 <CoderForANewYear> &more

15:54 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Hamilton County in effect until 9:00 PM EST on December 26, 2008;

15:55 <CoderForANewYear> very foggy outside

16:04 <MTughan> &math convert 70 F to C

16:04 <Romulus> MTughan: 21.1111111111

16:04 <MTughan> O_O

16:08 <sethy>

16:08 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Mac vs PC (at

16:22 <Tidus> &weather 65647

16:22 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 70.3F / 21.3C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Periods of showers and thunderstorms. Some thunderstorms may be severe. Locally heavy rainfall possible after midnight. Windy. Lows in the lower 60s. South winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Chance of (2 more messages)

16:22 <Tidus> good lord... warm enough?

16:26 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86023

16:26 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 23F / -5.0C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: in / hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Colder. A chance of snow showers in the morning...snow showers likely in the afternoon. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Highs around 26 on the North Rim to around 39 along the Colorado River. West winds around 15 mph. Gusts up (1 more message)

16:26 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:26 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: to 30 mph early in the morning. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers in the evening. No snow accumulation. Lows around 4 above on the North Rim to around 15 along the Colorado River. Light winds.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. Highs around 25 on the North Rim to around 38 along the Colorado River. Light winds.;

16:36 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

16:36 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 51.8F / 11.0C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.54in / 1000.2hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy. Not as cool. Areas of fog. Areas of drizzle. High in the upper 40s. South wind 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain and areas of drizzle in the evening...then a chance of rain and a slight (2 more messages)

16:36 <wdsmia_w> &more

16:36 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: chance of freezing rain after midnight. Low around 30. South wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the west after midnight. Gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Saturday - Cloudy. A chance of freezing rain and sleet in the morning...then a chance of snow and sleet in the afternoon. Colder. High around 30. Northwest wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

16:36 <wdsmia_w> &more

16:36 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: precipitation 40 percent.;

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16:57 <MTughan> All right. Quad started on the burn-in period.

17:11 <Tidus> nice

17:13 <MTughan> Wow... It's downloaded 43 ABC tasks now.

17:14 <MTughan> And don't worry Pov: I'm running 6.2.19. :P

17:17 <streenz> hmm.. I have 4 setiathome work units that are all 100% Progress and "Ready to report" but arent doing so.. I have no more units to crunch so therefore am doing NOTHING.. is there any way to force it to get more work units?

17:17 <PovAddict> what version of BOINC?

17:17 <streenz> boinc manager 6.2.15

17:18 <PovAddict> ready-to-report workunits are usually reported when the server is contacted for another reason

17:18 <streenz> so how do I go about getting new work units then?

17:18 <PovAddict> but if you're idle, it should have immediately contacted the server asking for more work

17:18 <MTughan> But if he doesn't have any more WUs...

17:18 <PovAddict> is that the only project you're attached to?

17:18 <MTughan> Is SETI marked as Suspended or No New Work?

17:19 <streenz> nah its the same settings I had the last time it got new work units

17:19 <streenz> set to work 24/7 and always connect for new work

17:19 <MTughan> Pov's question still stands: Is SETI the only project you're attached to?

17:20 <streenz> sorry, yes it is

17:20 <MTughan> I didn't think the 6.2.x series had work fetch bugs... I thought that was only with the 6.4.x series and higher (for now).

17:21 <PovAddict> heh

17:21 <PovAddict> yep

17:21 <PovAddict> streenz: does the project show any extra data in the Projects tab?

17:21 <PovAddict> like "deferring communication for X minutes"

17:22 <streenz> aha, it was deferring communication

17:22 <MTughan> As of 10 minutes ago, there were almost no AP WUs, but plenty of SAH Enhanced.

17:22 <streenz> I clicked update and now its working

17:22 <streenz> I never would've thought of clicking on Projects since I've never even looked at that screen before

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17:36 <xcamel> re-hi

17:36 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:38 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:40 <xcamel> warming up slowly...

17:43 <xcamel> looks like an early january thaw for a few days

17:57 <wdsmia> warmed up just enough to get the ice off the driveway... just in time for the next ice storm

17:59 <Tidus> heh

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18:02 <xcamel>

18:02 <Romulus> <> (at

18:03 <PovAddict> how much would it set you back?

18:05 <xcamel> ...if you have to ask....

18:10 <CoderForANewYear> re-hi

18:10 <CoderForANewYear> din-din done

18:15 <CoderForANewYear> fog is thickening

18:15 <CoderForANewYear> the thick plottens

18:17 <CoderForANewYear> good progress today on a design for an alarm for my lift station, to tell me if the pumps are running too long

18:19 <CoderForANewYear> dusted off some of my electrical engineering / digital design skills

18:19 <CoderForANewYear> been wanting to work on it for about a year - enough design done to order components now

18:19 <CoderForANewYear> &monologue

18:19 <Romulus> CoderForANewYear: Your current monologue is at least 8 lines long.

18:20 <Tidus> heh

18:20 <Tidus> end of monologue :P

18:20 <CoderForANewYear> yeah

18:20 <wdsmia> can you still buy tubes from back in your electrical engineering / digital design days?

18:20 <Tidus> wdsmia: of course you can still buy the good old vacuum tubes. a lot of guitar amplifiers still use tubes instead of solid state

18:21 <CoderForANewYear> I never did tubes =P

18:21 <CoderForANewYear> TTL

18:21 <CoderForANewYear> and I got a bunch of those components here

18:21 <CoderForANewYear> what was "new" was CMOS

18:22 <wdsmia> ZapMOS

18:22 <CoderForANewYear> that's why I never did CMOS

18:23 * PovAddict only did CMOS

18:23 <CoderForANewYear> that is, until now

18:23 <CoderForANewYear> my design is CMOS-based

18:23 <PovAddict> oh, using cmos now?

18:24 <CoderForANewYear> I used Virtual Breadboard for the design and simulation

18:24 <CoderForANewYear>

18:24 <Romulus> Title: Virtual Breadboard (at

18:25 <PovAddict> I'm younger than you and yet I can say "in my days you had to plug the stuff in and hope it worked" :P

18:25 <CoderForANewYear> I'm using the 1.15 version - version 3 is not ready for real use

18:26 <PovAddict> paid?

18:26 * CoderForANewYear is agast

18:26 <CoderForANewYear> pay?  for software?

18:26 <xcamel> Rube Goldberg Designs, LLC

18:26 <CoderForANewYear> free version

18:27 <CoderForANewYear> the Limited Liability part is very important

18:29 <xcamel> indeed.

18:29 <CoderForANewYear> what news on your Jeep, xcamel?

18:31 <xcamel> none, with the holidays.

18:33 <CoderForANewYear> ah, too bad - hope it made it

18:33 <xcamel> last bit of good news was that a VIN had been assigned.

18:35 <CoderForANewYear> good

18:35 <CoderForANewYear> It has VIN, therefore it exists

18:46 <xcamel>

18:46 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Dog Robs Store for Bone On Christmas(Dog Steals a Bone) (at

18:48 <xcamel> news story is funny as hell...

18:49 <PovAddict> o_õ

18:49 <Tidus> that was funny

18:58 <CoderForANewYear> lol

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19:03 <CoderForANewYear> off for the evening - tc all

19:05 <Tidus> seeya

19:06 <xcamel> laterz..

19:11 * kathryn_ groans

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19:12 <xcamel> 'lo K

19:12 <KathrynM> hiya X

19:17 <quail> &wx ypad

19:17 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 70°F / 21°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 10:30 AM CST; Unknown. High:73 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Clear. High:77 F.; Clear. Low:59 F.; Clear. High:75 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:57 F.;

19:19 <xcamel> hace a good christmas?

19:19 <xcamel> er have even?

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19:22 <Tidus> mine was ok

19:22 <Tidus> got all clothes for christmas

19:22 <Tidus> but i needed those

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19:38 <MTughan_> 'lo efc

19:39 <efc> Hey

19:39 <xcamel> 'lo

19:42 <zombie67>

19:42 <Romulus> <> (at

19:42 <PovAddict> did they open account creation?

19:46 <Soul_keeper> btw the latest c2q has 820M transistors, could make 256 P133's with that ...

19:46 <PovAddict> lol

19:46 <PovAddict> &grab Soul_keeper

19:46 <Romulus> PovAddict: The operation succeeded.

19:47 <Soul_keeper> ha

19:47 <MTughan_> Which C2Q?

19:48 <Soul_keeper> "A quad-core Nehalem is made up of 731M transistors, down from 820M in Yorkfield, the current quad-core Core 2s based on the Penryn microarchitecture. The die size has gone up however, from 214 mm^2 to 263 mm^2. That's fewer transistors but less densely packed ones, part of this is due to a reduction in cache size and part of it is due to a fundamental rearchitecting of the microprocessor. "

19:48 <MTughan_> Any idea how many in a Kentsfield?

19:50 <Soul_keeper> 582 million  i believe

19:50 <Soul_keeper> yeah

19:51 <zombie67> architecting is not a word

19:52 <efc> Wonder how long before cuda starts making a dent in the total s@h RAC.. its a little early to tell from the stats

19:52 <zombie67> architect is a noun

19:52 <zombie67> the verb is "design"

19:52 <zombie67> as in "due to a fundamental redesign of the microprocessor. "

19:52 <zombie67> someone trying to sound smarter than they are.

19:53 <Soul_keeper> file:///home/soul/Stocks/rv770vsgtxvspenryn.png

19:54 <Soul_keeper>

19:54 <Romulus> <> (at

19:54 <MTughan_> That's just a dual-core though, right?

19:55 <Soul_keeper> 1.4 billion transistors for the latest gtx280

19:55 <Tidus> all core i7's are quad

19:55 <MTughan_> No, but the Penryn is a dual-core IIRC.

19:55 <MTughan_> The Core i7's are quad with SMT, aka HT.

19:55 <Tidus> MTughan_: the later core 2 quads are penryn

19:55 <MTughan_> No, they're Yorkfields.

19:56 <MTughan_> It's a similar design to the Penryn, as in 45nm, but the quad-core procs were codenamed Yorkfield.

19:58 * Soul_keeper has a yorkfield

19:59 <MTughan_> Just got a Kentsfield.

20:00 <efc> I liked it better when it was p1, p2, p3, etc

20:01 <efc> not p 5.7 + 2 cherries and a marshmellow

20:01 <Soul_keeper> lol

20:01 <xcamel>

20:01 <Romulus> <> (at

20:01 <Soul_keeper> well they always had codenames i suppose

20:01 <Soul_keeper> P3 was P6 for example ...

20:01 <MTughan_> I have a Q6600, but it should look the same.

20:03 <xcamel> I have the new StHelens...

20:03 <xcamel>

20:03 <MTughan_> Oh, and I have another connection to the image above... Got a 4870. Damn large card though...

20:03 <MTughan_> Nice.

20:03 <MTughan_> Puts new meaning to the phrase "My CPU's toast."

20:03 <Tidus> lol

20:04 <Soul_keeper> :)

20:04 <xcamel> "grill chips"

20:04 <Soul_keeper> i have 7 fryed athlon XPs sitting upstairs

20:04 <efc> $402? <clicks 'buy'>

20:05 <xcamel> 402.29° F

20:07 <efc> But I bet they would take $402.29 for it.

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20:09 <MTughan_> If they haven't thrown it out already.

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20:15 <PovAddict> rearchitecturing?

20:15 <PovAddict> efc: in the way stats are exported, I think you can't even tell what RAC comes from CPUs

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20:16 <Soul_keeper>

20:16 <Romulus> <> (at

20:16 <efc> but the total ought to go up right?

20:16 <PovAddict> efc: ah that, sure

20:20 <xcamel> 'lo BB

20:22 <BadBarbarian> 'lo xcamel

20:23 <xcamel> have a good holiday?

20:24 <BadBarbarian> yes i did had a bunch of funm

20:24 <BadBarbarian> did the fryed turkeys at the VFW lol

20:25 <xcamel> large exploding birds...

20:26 <BadBarbarian> not here been doing it for years

20:26 <BadBarbarian> frozen birds explode lol

20:26 <xcamel> plenty of videos proving that...

20:26 <xcamel> and house fires

20:27 <BadBarbarian> i cook it outside lol

20:27 <xcamel> good move

20:27 <BadBarbarian> 4 gallons of peanut oil at 350 degrees

20:28 <xcamel> peanut oil is the best - highest flashpoint

20:28 <BadBarbarian> 16 lb bird in 1.25 hrs

20:28 <xcamel> and 20 gallons of propane

20:28 <xcamel> er pounds that is

20:29 <BadBarbarian> naa did 3 birds on 1 25lb tank

20:29 <xcamel> it must have been good...

20:29 <BadBarbarian> once the oils hot you back way down on the gas

20:29 <BadBarbarian> never went over 370 degrees

20:30 <BadBarbarian> it was great golden brown and moist

20:30 <xcamel> as long as someone is always watching it...

20:30 <BadBarbarian> i never was more than 10 feet away lol

20:31 <BadBarbarian> made other people get stuff lol

20:31 <MTughan_> Does it make a peanut hinted turkey?

20:31 <efc> Maybe we should do turkey for 4th July so we can combine the cooking and the fireworks

20:31 <MTughan_> Nutty turkey?

20:31 <BadBarbarian> no peanut oil has no flavor of its own

20:32 <efc> Chik-fillet cooks their chicken in peanut oil, its great, and not too bad for you too

20:32 <efc> Peanuts are technically not nuts, too

20:33 <BadBarbarian> legum's

20:33 <MTughan_> I wanted to make the joke... :P And it's "legumes".

20:33 <BadBarbarian> i belaeve thats the spelling

20:33 <BadBarbarian> ty

20:33 <efc> l'gumez

20:33 <MTughan_> Gangsta nuts?

20:35 <xcamel> at least I got my "stuff" off that bad drive on the winbox

20:37 <efc> Got some nice 20x80 binos.. will be trying them out the next time the weather is clear.

20:37 <xcamel> stabilized?

20:38 <efc> I don't think so. They need to be on a tripod practically.

20:39 <efc> Alarmingly big suckers.

20:39 <efc> &wx 30625

20:39 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 52F / 11C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.37in / 1028hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy with areas of drizzle and slight chance of rain. Patchy dense fog after midnight. Lows around 50. Light and variable winds. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly sunny. Patchy (1 more message)

20:39 <xcamel> good chance it will hit 55-60 here on sunday

20:41 <Soul_keeper> 2x2GB ddr2 kits start at 30 bucks now   wow

20:41 <efc> Sweet

20:41 <PovAddict> 4GB of RAM for 30 bucks?

20:42 <efc> But my remaining savings are all in the PC-133 mutual fund

20:42 <Soul_keeper> yup

20:42 <MTughan_> Soul_keeper: What speed?

20:43 <xcamel> find the computer you wanted really bad last year on ebay today...

20:43 <Soul_keeper> 800 is 32 bucks

20:43 <MTughan_> Wow. I paid $120 for the 2x2GB of DDR-1066 RAM in this comp.

20:44 <Soul_keeper> 1000 speed for 50 bucks

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20:44 <Soul_keeper> now is probably the time to max mb's out i guess ...

20:45 <Soul_keeper> think i payed 120 for my 2x1GB kit

20:46 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

20:46 <efc> moo Rookie

20:46 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

20:46 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.\

20:46 <xcamel> survive boxing day?

20:47 <Soul_keeper> ok it was 60 bucks in march, not bad

20:47 <Rookie_69> Apparently. But no shopping day here, so I'm not trampled

20:47 <Soul_keeper> so basically memory is half the price it was 9 months ago

20:47 <efc> those x58 boards that'll take 12 gigs should be nice once they are mature

20:48 <Soul_keeper> i can barely use the 2GB i got

20:48 <xcamel> (the day after Christmas, when Canadians put on funny gloves, and beat the crap out of each other)

20:48 <Soul_keeper> i remember paying like 360 bucks for 2x512MB kit of DDR1

20:49 <Rookie_69> I remember shelling out ~$300 for 4 megs.

20:49 <Tidus> heh

20:49 <PovAddict> :D

20:49 <PovAddict> well

20:49 <PovAddict> have you seen PlayStation memory cards?

20:49 <PovAddict> they are ridiculous

20:49 <Tidus> yeah... only 8mb...

20:49 <PovAddict> could very well be $30 for 8MB *now*

20:49 <Tidus> still $30 :<

20:50 <PovAddict> or more

20:50 <Tidus> my playstation2 is set up to only need one memory card though :)

20:50 <PovAddict> someone should manage to put a SD card into a compatible case :P

20:50 <efc> Got mother a camcorder so will be looking for some 8 gig flash soon

20:50 <PovAddict> efc: make sure it's high speed

20:50 <Tidus> PovAddict: mine's got one of the rarer addons for it

20:50 <xcamel> well... off with me..

20:50 <Tidus> the 40gb hdd

20:51 <Tidus> if i fill the card, simply move old files off onto the hdd

20:51 <PovAddict> efc: some Flash memory cards can't write fast enough to keep up with video, so once the camera's buffer fills up, your recording stops... and then you get to wait for the buffer to finish finally writing to flash

20:51 <PovAddict> Tidus: hard disk on a PS2? weird :)

20:52 <Soul_keeper> they used to sell harddrive + linux   kits for ps2

20:52 <Tidus> PovAddict: the 40gb hdd was sold with only two pieces of playstation 2 software... the linux kit, and final fantasy xi (an online mmorpg)

20:52 <PovAddict> efc: may be hard to find such slow flash memory nowadays, though

20:52 <efc> I see, will keep that in mind

20:52 <PovAddict> I'm not sure how they are nowadays

20:52 <efc> I wonder how large of a card the formats will allow

20:52 <PovAddict> I know a few years ago my dad paid extra for the speed :)

20:53 <PovAddict> to allow uninterrupted (till the Flash fills up) video recording

20:53 <efc> I thought 2g was max for microSD, but then I've seen some 8 gig cards around

20:53 <Tidus> 2g is max for microsd, but microsdHC can go up to 32gb

20:53 <efc> I wouldn't think it would take more than a meg a second or so which is fairly easy

20:53 <PovAddict> note most photo cameras with video as an extra save in MJPEG

20:54 <PovAddict> (proper camcorders probably use something better)

20:54 <PovAddict> MJPEG is basically independent JPEG images for each frame, taking no advantages from inter-frame similarities

20:54 <PovAddict> files get huge

20:54 <Tidus> proper camcorders normally use mpeg4

20:54 <efc> Yuck

20:54 <efc> I'll look

20:55 <Tidus> or avchd

20:55 <PovAddict> most cameras for example let you cut the video

20:55 <PovAddict> chop some seconds off the beginning or end

20:55 <PovAddict> directly from the camera

20:55 <PovAddict> frames need to be independent to allow such a thing without quality loss from re-encoding

20:56 * Soul_keeper has a 16MB card in his digital camera ...

20:56 <PovAddict> the video files aren't *that* big though... mostly because they are no more than 640x480 :P

20:56 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: lol, that's what comes with the camera...

20:56 <PovAddict> you can take like five pictures

20:56 <Soul_keeper> yeah

20:56 <PovAddict> (if you use high res)

20:56 <efc> memory stick pro Duo

20:57 <Soul_keeper> i never go far from my computer tho

20:57 <PovAddict> efc: I read about a memory card with built-in Wi-Fi

20:57 <PovAddict> basically, the camera (actually the memory card) uploads your pictures whenever there is an access point nearby

20:58 <efc> Cool

20:58 <PovAddict> somebody got his stolen camera back through that...

20:58 <PovAddict> the thief took some pictures of himself and they got uploaded

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20:59 <efc> being a Sony this is probably going to be in some damn proprietary forma

20:59 <PovAddict>

20:59 <Romulus> <> (at

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21:05 <Tidus> i have a 2gb microsd in my phone

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21:16 <efc> got one for my GPS a while back, for like $5

21:18 <efc> I think it could hold the continental US at 1:24,000 now

21:19 <Tidus> heh

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22:18 <Rookie_69> NN.

22:18 <wdsmia> &nn

22:18 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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