IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-01-01

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00:16 <Rookie_69> Bye, Michael_.

00:23 <Rookie_69> Not a blizzard yet, but a bit of snow coming down.

00:24 <Rookie_69> &wx yhz

00:25 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 21°F / -6°C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 23mph / 37km/h | Updated: 1:10 AM AST; Tonight - Cloudy. Snow at times heavy and blowing snow beginning this evening. Amount 10 to 20 cm(3.9 to 7.8 in). Wind becoming northeast 20 km/h (12 mph) this evening then north 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 80 (2 more messages)

00:25 <Rookie_69> Wrong airport...

00:25 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

00:25 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 25.7°F / -3.5°C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: 29.12in / 986.0hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 26.4mph / 42.5km/h | Updated: 1:25 AM AST; Tonight - Cloudy. Snow at times heavy and blowing snow beginning this evening. Amount 10 to 20 cm(3.9 to 7.8 in). Wind becoming northeast 20 km/h (12 mph) this evening then north 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to (2 more messages)

00:26 <Rookie_69> &more

00:26 <Romulus> Rookie_69: 80 km/h (50 mph). Low -6C(21F).; Thursday - Snow at times heavy changing to flurries late in the morning. Amount 10 cm(3.9 in). Blowing snow. Wind northwest 60 km/h (37 mph) gusting to 90 km/h (56 mph). High -4C(24F) with temperature falling to -8C(17F) in the afternoon. Thursday night flurries ending in the evening then cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Becoming cloudy periods (1 more message)

00:26 <Rookie_69> &more

00:26 <Romulus> Rookie_69: overnight. Local blowing snow in the evening. Wind northwest 50 km/h (31 mph) gusting to 80 km/h (50 mph) becoming west 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (37 mph) overnight. Low -9C(15F).; Friday - A mix of sun and cloud. High -2C(28F).;

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00:31 <Rookie_69> Is sinai the plural of sinus?.. Anyways, mine feel like I've been stuffing pickles up there all night. Yay!

00:31 <Rookie_69> ... and I haven't...

00:31 <MTughan_> Rookie_69: I was in a game, and I don't have a microphone or webcam ATM.

00:31 <Rookie_69> No matter.

00:34 <Rookie_69> Doug wanted me to conference you in so we could pick at you... I think it's his way of welcoming you.;-)

00:34 <MTughan_> Pov said it wasn't 2038 yet because that's the limit of current computer date systems with 32-bits.

00:35 * wdsmia doesnt welcome anyone :P

00:35 <efc> lets party like its 1970

00:35 <MTughan_> Reset the Unix time to 0! :D

00:35 * Rookie_69 wonders how old EFC was in 1970...

00:36 <MTughan_> Unix stores dates as the number of seconds since January 1, 1970.

00:36 <MTughan_> &google calc Jan 1, 1970 + [math calc 2 ** 32] seconds

00:36 <Romulus> MTughan_: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

00:36 <MTughan_> :(

00:36 <Rookie_69> Lol.

00:37 <Rookie_69> ...I mean Oops...

00:37 <MTughan_> &math convert [math 2 ** 32] seconds to years

00:37 <Romulus> MTughan_: 136.102207783

00:37 <MTughan_> Hmm, shouldn't be that long...

00:37 <MTughan_> &math convert [math 2 ** 31] seconds to years

00:37 <Romulus> MTughan_: 68.0511038915

00:38 <MTughan_> That's it.

00:38 <MTughan_> &math 1970 + 68

00:38 <Romulus> MTughan_: 2038

00:38 <MTughan_> &math convert [math [math convert [math 2 ** 31] seconds to years] - 68] years to months

00:38 <Romulus> MTughan_: 0.613246698

00:39 <MTughan_> Sometime in January...

00:39 <MTughan_> &math convert [math [math convert [math 2 ** 31] seconds to years] - 68] years to days

00:39 <Romulus> MTughan_: 18.6652976977

00:39 <MTughan_> January 18th, 2038.

00:39 <Rookie_69> Unix ends in 2038?

00:39 <wdsmia> Y238?

00:39 <MTughan_> The current model of Unix time will overflow on January 18, 2038.

00:40 <MTughan_> It'll wrap around to December 1901 if I get it right.

00:45 <Rookie_69> Old Win box was a little confused on Jan. 1th, 2000 until I told it what date it was and then everything was ok...

00:48 <Rookie_69> Hmm... That was nine years ago already?

00:49 <MTughan_> Yep. :)

00:49 <Rookie_69> Seems like only eight.

00:49 <Rookie_69> Lol.

00:50 <MTughan_> Anyone know of a good project for 64-bit machines? ABC may be quiet for a little while soon.

00:50 <Rookie_69> ABC quiet? Uh-oh...

00:51 <Rookie_69> PrimeGrid seems to give pretty good numbers...

00:51 <MTughan_>

00:51 <Romulus> Title: Project Shutting Down? (at

00:51 <Rookie_69> I only have one antique 64 bit machine though...

00:52 <Rookie_69> Shutting down... short outage... same thing.

00:53 <MTughan_> Well, I can try a bit of PrimeGrid over the next couple of days.

00:54 <MTughan_> yoyo might give some good 64-bit credits too.

00:54 <Rookie_69> Anything to keep it warm in here...

00:55 <MTughan_> If I have 64-bit and it can crunch something faster, I'll use it.

00:55 <MTughan_> ABC is the best speedup I've personally seen, about twice as fast on 64-bits as on 32.

00:57 <Rookie_69> I seem to see a 1000 credit cap on WU's there though...

00:57 <MTughan_> There is, but you rarely hit it.

00:58 <Rookie_69> I got a few.

00:58 <MTughan_> Well, maybe not rarely. But it usually takes a 15+ hour WU, IIRC.

00:59 <Rookie_69> I saw one earlier with about 10 hours work, but most were around 20.

00:59 <Rookie_69> Just got lucky, I guess.

01:01 <Rookie_69> Oh... Doug said to say Happy New Year to everybody... He as going to bed about 20 minutes ago or so.

01:01 <Rookie_69> ... was...

01:02 <Rookie_69> It's past 2 am here... I'm more than ready for bed.

01:05 <Rookie_69> NN.

01:06 <Rookie_69> &nn

01:06 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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04:01 <CoderForLife> plink

04:05 <CoderForLife> In my logwatch report: "Clock: inserting leap second 23:59:60 UTC"

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06:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

06:05 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow Grains | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 11:20 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:21 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.;

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08:01 <PriitM_> 83 and 90hour workunits in seti@home, I've never seen ones that big before

08:02 <CoderForLife> Astropulse WUs are big

08:03 <CoderForLife> for instance, I have one 119 hours done, 118 hours to go

08:03 <PriitM_> majority of seti have been up to 8hours

08:04 <CoderForLife> SixTrack WUs, sure

08:04 <CoderForLife> my quad core machine is crunching 4 AstroPulse ATM

08:05 <PriitM_> my dual is going double seti

08:06 <CoderForLife> disregard the SixTrack comment - I had a bunch of LHC work that I misread as SETI

08:08 <CoderForLife> sometimes things can be so familiar, yet so wrong

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08:23 <xcamel> mornin/happy new year

08:28 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:28 <CoderForLife> morning Jay - Happy New Year to you

08:28 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: -0.7F / -18.2C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 18. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 8 above. Temperature rising to around 12 after midnight. West winds around 5 (1 more message)

08:28 <xcamel> &more

08:28 <Romulus> xcamel: mph...becoming south after midnight.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a 30 percent chance of snow showers. Not as cool with highs in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph... becoming southwest 10 to 15 mph in the afternoon.;

08:29 <xcamel> burrrr

08:29 <CoderForLife> looks like you have a nice bright chilly morning

08:29 <xcamel> yup - mighty cold

08:30 <CoderForLife> the animals are bunched up

08:30 <xcamel> around the hay bale

08:30 <CoderForLife> sure

08:31 <CoderForLife> got some LHC work this morning

08:33 <xcamel> all gone now..

08:34 <xcamel> seti still down?

08:35 <CoderForLife> yes

08:42 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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08:55 <xcamel> wow -- PNW getting whacked again...

08:57 <xcamel> &wx bothel wa

08:57 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 34°F / 1.1°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6.4km/h | Updated: 2:31 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:24 F.; Overcast. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:31 F.;

09:10 <xcamel> I'd rather have the snow than 2/-4

09:34 * CoderForLife turns his wxvision to the PNW

09:35 <CoderForLife> same area - again

09:36 <CoderForLife> then it'll hop on the jet stream clipper train and sweep across the top of the country

09:36 * CoderForLife detects a pattern

09:41 <xcamel> already predicting a hit here sunday

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10:12 <xcamel> oh my gonney

10:13 <xcamel> it's friggin cold out

10:27 <xcamel> woohoo - heat wave - it up to 4F

10:42 <CoderForLife> 4 - count'em - 4

10:43 <ELGono> &math convert 4 F to C

10:43 <Romulus> ELGono: -15.5555555556

10:43 <ELGono> brrrr

10:43 <ELGono> we had -10C yesterday with rain

10:44 <ELGono> nature had a pretty fancy look this morning

10:44 <CoderForLife> all sparkly?

10:45 <ELGono> like sugar icing

10:45 <ELGono> but i didn't had a lick

10:45 <CoderForLife> well - looks like we made the sales goal at w@#% - 19th straight year of increasing sales - that means that we made the threshold for bonuses

10:46 <CoderForLife> it was *very* close

10:46 <ELGono> congrats ;)

10:46 <CoderForLife> a *very* difficult market

10:46 <CoderForLife> thanks ELGono

10:47 <CoderForLife> I imake sure the computer systems do their thing - it's up to the sales guys to sell =)

10:47 <ELGono> hope this year will turn out good for all #boincers

10:47 <CoderForLife> 2008 was a disaster on so many levels

10:47 <ELGono>

10:47 <Romulus> <> (at

10:47 <ELGono> up'n'running

10:50 <CoderForLife> looks great - um, what is it?

10:52 <ELGono> new version of preamp

10:52 <CoderForLife> ah

10:52 <ELGono> nelson pass design

10:52 <ELGono> but in point2point wiring ;)

10:53 * CoderForLife looks at the other pics

10:53 <ELGono> oh dear ;)

10:54 <CoderForLife> is that you in the red mama shirt?

10:56 <ELGono> indeed

10:56 <ELGono> maybe some years ago

10:58 * PovAddict is sick

10:58 * ELGono hands over some hot tea

10:59 <ELGono> selfmade by mom

10:59 <PovAddict> drinking tea while sick always makes me throw up

11:00 <xcamel> TMI

11:02 <PovAddict> so thanks but no thanks ELGono

11:02 <CoderForLife> heh

11:07 * CoderForLife does his New Years Day review of personal finances

11:08 * xcamel does his New Years Day review of personal warmth.

11:09 * ELGono does his New Years day planning future tasks

11:11 * PovAddict lies in bed with noisy intestines

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11:34 <xcamel> cfl - the weather page is working correctly again...

11:34 <xcamel> uploading correct day, anyway...

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12:30 <CoderForLife> ok thx xcamel - I'll check it out in a bit

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13:02 <xcamel> hmmm.. looks like a slug of snow coming down out of canada - not showing up on US radar....

13:03 <wdsmia> stealth snow storm?

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13:29 <CoderForLife> the snow is radar absorbing - black in color

13:29 <CoderForLife> be careful mixing anti-snow with regular snow

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14:49 <xcamel> php board hax --

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15:07 <CoderForLife> sporkened

15:12 <xcamel> zher goot

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15:37 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

15:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 35.0F / 1.7C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. Not as cold. High in the upper 30s. South wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the west in the afternoon. Gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low 15 to 20. West wind 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Partly (1 more message)

15:37 <wdsmia> &more

15:37 <Romulus> wdsmia: sunny. High in the mid 30s. Northeast wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southeast in the afternoon.;

15:37 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

15:38 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

15:38 <xcamel> did you get the day off?

15:38 <wdsmia> today have to go back tomarrow

15:40 <xcamel> we have our big software changeover tomorrow (dot net based) - avoiding the office like the plague.

15:40 <wdsmia> sounds like a plan

15:41 <efc> moo xcamel, welcome to .botnet

15:45 <xcamel> 6 months of testing and a couple hundred grand in servers later...

15:46 <efc> Might as well do it while the economy is offline too.

15:47 <wdsmia> take out all the old bugs install brand new ones

15:48 <xcamel> indeed

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15:51 <wdsmia> *lo Glenn

15:51 <Rookie_69> I can only hang around until the power goes out...

15:51 <Rookie_69> Hi, Doug.

15:52 <Rookie_69> It's flickered about eleventeen times so far.

15:52 <efc> Reminds me, I need to get a new beefier UPS sometime

15:52 <efc> Preferably with external leads to I can hook a couple car batteries to it

15:53 <efc> But the Ghost of Christmas Past is going to lower my spending for a bit.

15:53 <efc> &seen BadBarbarian

15:53 <Romulus> efc: BadBarbarian was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: <BadBarbarian> we had -15 F 3 days ago lol

15:54 <Rookie_69> ... or is that the ghost of christmas presents?

15:55 <Rookie_69> I got a good sized UPS in the hallway that needs to be put back together and filled with good batteries.

15:55 <Rookie_69> I should get a round tuit...

15:56 <efc> As far as I know nothing keeps you from attaching a big external battery (better to be a deep cycle one I guess)

15:56 <efc> Someday my bunker is going to have a permanent 10kw generator

15:56 <efc> I'll watch the world melt down around me, in comfort.

15:57 <Rookie_69> Make sure they're fully charged or you might overwhelm the charger side of it...

15:58 <Rookie_69>

15:58 <Romulus> <> (at

16:01 <efc> Not bad. I think I have a 350 now.

16:01 <Rookie_69> Snow still falling and blowing around and making a nuisance of itself...

16:03 <Rookie_69> I have a couple of 500's that probably need batteries by now and a small 300 that serves my modem and router.

16:03 <efc> Yeah my 350 probably needs new batteries too, about 4 or 5 years old. One time the light came on. I turned it on and off and its been ok.

16:03 <PovAddict> back

16:04 <Rookie_69> The 300 was abandoned on my doorstep with a dead battery one day and I adopted it.

16:05 <Rookie_69> Same with the 1400, but I haven't bought any batteries yet.

16:06 <Rookie_69> I wonder if I can figure out how to put it back together.

16:08 * CoderForLife looks in

16:08 <CoderForLife> Ooo peeps

16:08 <efc> Thats him! Get him!

16:08 <Rookie_69> Where?

16:08 * CoderForLife dematerializes

16:09 <CoderForLife> Maltz!  Choi chu!

16:09 * efc mentions his 5" refractor lens assembly on order, again

16:10 <CoderForLife> you mentioned several times that it was your objective

16:10 <CoderForLife> it's good to have goals

16:11 <efc> The dumb post office took the day off

16:11 <Rookie_69> ... unless you're a goalie...

16:11 <CoderForLife> da noive

16:11 <efc> "Neither snow nor sleet nor New Year's Hangover" I distinctly remember

16:12 <efc> gotta go check on animals

16:12 <CoderForLife> you farming?

16:12 <efc> horses

16:12 <CoderForLife> o i c

16:13 <efc> rooma will be running in here. don't disturb it.

16:13 * CoderForLife recites "There Will Come Soft Rains"

16:14 <Rookie_69> To wash away all this snow?

16:15 <xcamel> 5" flourite refractor triplet?

16:15 <CoderForLife> not quite - Roombas make we think of this short story by Ray Bradbury

16:15 <Romulus> <> (at

16:15 <xcamel> damn... that makes for a big scope..

16:16 <CoderForLife> make me*

16:19 * CoderForLife sighs

16:20 <CoderForLife> well - the next phase of cleaning begins tonight - arranging the basement

16:20 <CoderForLife> where angels fear to tread

16:20 <CoderForLife> bbl

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16:26 <xcamel> the tree is all gone now here...

16:26 <xcamel> good riddance...

16:29 <FreeLarry58> ah my looks like the quad core F8 machine going to have 1M credit just after a year of operation, the dual core amd almost 2 yrs to get the same both close

16:30 <FreeLarry58> quad vista going to take longer as wasn't stable during first few months

16:30 <FreeLarry58> only 300K credits

16:31 * FreeLarry58 guesses time to go to store and get new light fixture for laundry room

16:31 <Crewsr3> New to the chat room, how many people are running boinc on linux

16:33 <xcamel> many of us.. why?

16:34 <xcamel> or... can we be of help....?

16:34 <efc> xcamel: Its only an achromat, 2 lenses I believe. 127mm diameter, 1200mm focal length.

16:34 <xcamel> nice..

16:34 <Crewsr3> xcamel, I'm running boinc on ubuntu and was wondering if the new boinc client can make use of the gpu client

16:34 <efc> $159, a steal I'm told

16:35 <xcamel> you'll get a bit of astigmatism, but good enough for visual...

16:35 <xcamel> Crewsr3: the project has to support CUDA I guess..

16:36 <efc> At that focal length the chromatic aberration shouldn't be that bad

16:36 <xcamel> is included in the download..

16:37 <xcamel> I got to play with a 5.2" russian refractor a few years ago.. the view was amazing...

16:37 <Crewsr3> xcamel, are you running boinc on ubuntu by chance?

16:37 <xcamel> the scope itself was a 200lb beast..

16:38 <efc> the waiting list for some of the high end apochromats is like 8 years. At some point I think they ought to beef up production.

16:38 <xcamel> Crewsr3: no, fedora 7,8 & 10

16:39 <efc> the astro-physics stuff is all like that, waiting list goes back to 2000 or so

16:40 <Crewsr3> I'm a big fan of boinc and the idea behind it, I just wish I could do more.  I want to help get the lastest boinc client into the ubuntu repos, but I'm not sure where to start

16:40 <xcamel> seems my cd ripper isn't ripping too well...

16:41 <xcamel> download here:

16:41 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at

16:41 <xcamel> pay attention to the distro and 32/64 bit versions

16:43 <Crewsr3> This does not have the new 6.4.5 the newest on is the 6.3.5

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16:49 <xcamel> scroll down...

16:50 <xcamel> the ubunny specific version is not needed

16:50 <xcamel> use the generic 6.4.xx or 6.5

16:51 <Crewsr3> ok

16:51 <xcamel> that can be confusing... sorry.

16:52 <xcamel> the only way I can ger boincmager (6.5) to run on FC10 is to use the gnome desktop...

16:53 <Crewsr3> xcamel, ok I have the file downloaded, how do I install it over my old version

16:53 <Crewsr3> xcamel, also does it matter where I downloaded it to

16:53 <xcamel> extract it and just copy the important files into your working directory...

16:53 <PovAddict> my debugging of boincmgr on FC is postponed

16:53 <PovAddict> I feel too weak to think

16:54 <xcamel> sh boinc[whatever] creates a BOINC dir in that directory.

16:55 <xcamel> all you need to run is boinc, boinccmd, boincmgr, if you already have a working boinc install

16:57 <Crewsr3> xcamel, I'm not sure how to extract it

16:58 <xcamel> 'sh boinc[whatever].sh'

17:00 <xcamel> like: sh

17:30 <efc> ack, s@h work about to dry up

17:43 <CoderForLife> baack

17:44 <CoderForLife> well, good progress - need to buy and apply some more crack sealant in the basement floor, now that I can see what the situation is

17:54 <xcamel> what is the usual cause of "unknown host" and "network unreachable" ??

17:55 <xcamel> brain failure atm

17:55 <xcamel> bad/no dns?

17:55 <efc> for the former

17:55 <efc> cannot find a route, for the latter. I think..

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18:10 <CoderForLife> I agree with efc

18:10 <CoderForLife> hey Tidus

18:10 <CoderForLife> Happy New Year

18:10 <Tidus> hey, happy new year to you too :)

18:11 <CoderForLife> thinking about watching a movie here

18:12 <CoderForLife> choices are Indiana Jones (Crystal Skull) or Ironman

18:12 <Tidus> both are good movies

18:12 <Tidus> i say just pick one and put it in

18:13 <CoderForLife> that's probably the best approach

18:13 <CoderForLife> off for some DVD-delivered entertainment

18:13 <CoderForLife> gn gents and ladies

18:14 <Tidus> seeya

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18:31 <xcamel> thanks - fixed now.

18:31 <xcamel> Thinking about watching HellBoy II later..

18:31 <xcamel> HNY, Tidus

18:32 <Tidus> Happy New Year to you too xcamel

18:32 <xcamel> good riddance to the old one..

18:33 <Tidus> heh

18:34 <xcamel> that was a network fubar and a half...

18:34 <Tidus> oh? what happened?

18:35 <xcamel> suprcaml would save the correct netmask

18:35 <xcamel> kept writing the gateway addy to the profile

18:37 <Tidus> ah.

18:37 <Tidus> heh, at least your main route out to the internet doesn't keep locking up

18:38 <Tidus> 17:32:07 up 54 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00

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18:54 <PovAddict> Tidus: that's a low load!

18:54 <PovAddict> get BOINCing

18:55 <Tidus> PovAddict: lol... i can't boinc on this thing or it'll blow up

18:55 <Tidus> and be having to restart every 30 minutes

18:58 <xcamel> not good

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19:11 <xcamel> &wx 12074

19:11 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 8.5F / -13.1C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 6 above. Temperature rising to around 13 after midnight. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south after midnight.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the (1 more message)

19:11 <xcamel> &more

19:11 <Romulus> xcamel: lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy. Not as cool with lows around 20. West winds 5 to 10 mph...increasing to 15 to 20 mph after midnight.;

19:12 <xcamel> damn.. T-shirt weather

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21:12 <PovAddict> thank god i have no w&@% tomorrow

21:12 <Tidus> lol, whys that?

21:14 <PovAddict> if i had to go, i'd call in sick anyway

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