IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-01-02

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01:49 <efc> Nothing from s@h for a while now

01:52 <Soul_keeper> yeah

01:52 <Soul_keeper> s@h beta down too

01:52 <Soul_keeper> and malariacontrol

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02:31 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

02:31 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

02:31 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 30°F / -1°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 8:20 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:21 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:22 F.;

02:45 <Tidus> &weather 65647

02:45 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 26.7F / -2.9C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.93in / 1013.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Readings may be cooler in valleys and other low lying areas. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 50s. Light and (1 more message)

02:45 <Tidus> &more

02:45 <Romulus> Tidus: variable winds early in the morning becoming southeast around 10 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Friday Night - Cloudy. Lows in the upper 40s. Southeast winds 10 to 15 mph.;

02:47 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

02:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 50.0F / 10.0C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Areas of dense fog. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times. Lows 40 to 47. Light winds.; Friday - Partly cloudy. Areas of dense fog in the morning. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times in the (1 more message)

02:48 <Soul_keeper> nothing interesting happening here ...

02:48 <efc> not bad

02:48 <efc> &wx yakutsk

02:48 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: -20°F / -29°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 4:30 PM YAKT; Chance of Snow. High:-4 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-14 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-9 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-32 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:-14 F.; Clear. Low:-40 F.;

02:48 <efc> &wx 30625

02:48 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 41F / 5C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. Light and variable winds.; Friday - Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming partly sunny with a 20 percent chance of rain. Highs in the mid 50s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Friday (1 more message)

02:49 <efc> looking for security light shields

02:53 <efc> http://www.greenearthlighting.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RABSHY

02:53 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7pklof> (at www.greenearthlighting.com)

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04:01 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:01 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 35.2F / 1.8C | Humidity: 57% | Pressure: 29.82in / 1009.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northeast after midnight.; Saturday - Mostly sunny (1 more message)

04:02 <CoderForLife> &more

04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph.;

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04:33 <CoderForLife> SETI still down

04:33 <Tidus> is it ever up?

04:36 <CoderForLife> that is a metaphysical question

04:37 <CoderForLife> speaking of metaphysics: brb breakfast

04:43 <zombie67> breakfast?

04:43 <Romulus> It has been said that breakfast is strawberries blended in orange juice, zombie67

04:43 <zombie67> not in bead yet

04:46 <CoderForLife> doo zombies sleep?

04:46 <CoderForLife> do*

05:02 <yoyo[RKN]> yoyo?

05:02 <Romulus> I guess yoyo is down, yoyo[RKN]

05:02 <yoyo[RKN]> ui

05:06 <zombie67> no

05:06 <zombie67> zombies never sleep

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06:02 <desti> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/technology/companies/01kuehler.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

06:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6vhttw> (at www.nytimes.com)

06:07 <Soul_keeper> bummer

06:13 <Soul_keeper> amazing i just got credit for 2 gpugrid wu's  3775 :)

06:14 <Soul_keeper> not bad for 1 day's worth of work

06:16 <Soul_keeper> it'll only let me download 1 WU per cpu core tho :(

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06:53 <wdsmia_> &wx 50319

06:53 <Romulus> wdsmia_: Temperature: 26.5F / -3.1C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. High in the mid 30s. North wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the east in the afternoon.; Tonight - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Low in the upper 20s. Temperature steady or (1 more message)

06:53 <wdsmia_> &more

06:53 <Romulus> wdsmia_: slowly rising after midnight. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy. Patchy drizzle and freezing drizzle in the morning...then a chance of light rain and areas of drizzle in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. East wind 5 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.;

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06:53 <CoderForLife> morning

06:54 <wdsmia> mornin Don

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07:01 <CoderForLife> going to _w today?

07:11 <desti> better not

07:11 <CoderForLife> hate to start the new year off on the wrong foot

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08:10 <xcamel> spike >> 220.182.54.89

08:11 <CoderForLife> spickened

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08:17 <CoderForLife> I guess the answer was "yes".  =)

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08:24 <xcamel> indeed "yes"

08:25 <xcamel> should start to warm up a bit

08:25 <CoderForLife> until the next "shot" comes through

08:28 <xcamel> http://icons-pe.wunderground.com/data/images/ne_st.gif

08:28 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8jp95e> (at icons-pe.wunderground.com)

08:34 <CoderForLife> be careful - you wouldn't want to slip out from under a shade of blue

08:44 <CoderForLife> "a hazy shade of winter"

08:45 <xcamel> I want to avoid purple...

08:46 <CoderForLife> I accept that as a must

08:47 <CoderForLife> off to Homely Despot to buy some more crack sealant, to get the corner of the basement where the bobcats raced around - the floor is separated from the wall, letting that bad old radon in

08:48 <CoderForLife> laterz

08:52 <xcamel> have phun

09:04 <xcamel> &wx 12074

09:04 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 10.8F / -11.8C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow this afternoon. Highs in the upper 20s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow in the evening. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to (1 more message)

09:05 <xcamel> &more

09:05 <Romulus> xcamel: 20 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny and brisk. Highs around 30. Northwest winds 15 to 25 mph.;

09:19 <xcamel> hmmm.. up 7 degrees since I got up..

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10:57 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

10:57 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 40.2F / 4.6C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northeast after midnight.; Saturday - Mostly (1 more message)

10:57 <CoderForLife> &more

10:57 <Romulus> CoderForLife: sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. East winds 10 to 15 mph.;

11:07 <xcamel> send me some of that...

11:07 <xcamel> still 15 here

11:13 <xcamel> and seems to be stuck there.

11:38 <CoderForLife> I would if I could but I can't so you're still stuck there

11:39 <CoderForLife> sorry

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12:06 <wdsmia_w> looks like I passed 18M :)

12:06 <wdsmia_w> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_100947_project-1.gif

12:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3lpnan> (at www.boincstats.com)

12:20 <Soul_keeper> good work

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12:50 <PriitM_> Position in Country stats156

12:52 <CoderForLife> is that 1337 for IBM, wdsmia_w?

12:53 <PriitM_> I've reached 85 000 credit on one PC :>

12:54 <PovAddict> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=printArticleBasic&articleId=9124562

12:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7e5pq3> (at www.computerworld.com)

12:54 <CoderForLife> how you feeling PovAddict?

12:54 <PovAddict> it looks as unethical as Apple putting Safari as a selected-by-default update on Apple Software Update on Windows

12:54 <PovAddict> or Microsoft putting "click here to get Silverlight" below their *logo* in every single page of microsoft.com

12:56 <PriitM_> You have to fight off google chrome after all.. :)

12:56 <CoderForLife> ethics?  what's that?

12:57 <CoderForLife> "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run"

12:57 <ELGono> LOL

12:57 <ELGono> YMMD don

12:57 <CoderForLife> that just dates me

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14:24 <Soul_keeper> boinc got me swapping heavy on my  512MB system, time for an upgrade :(

14:25 <efc> I might be swapping.. if s@h would send some work!

14:26 <Soul_keeper> beta appears to be back online

14:31 <CoderForLife> SETI looks happy to me...

14:34 <efc> the status is all roses but I don't get any work

14:35 <CoderForLife> I have gotten both doze and Linux WUs

14:35 <PovAddict> all roses?

14:35 <PovAddict> should be all greens

14:36 <Soul_keeper> every WU i finish for my 64-bit linux system result in a "computation error" for some reason,   the 32-bit system finishes them fine tho

14:36 <Soul_keeper> seti@home beta  that is

14:38 <efc> looks like they did not rake in the kind of cash they were hoping for..

14:38 <efc> about a tenth

14:39 <PovAddict> while wikipedia surpassed its goal already

14:41 <xcamel> re-hi

14:41 <Soul_keeper> people don't like aliens i guess ...

14:42 <CoderForLife> wb xcamel

14:44 <efc> moo xcamel

14:51 <efc> &wx saskatoon

14:51 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 1°F / -17°C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM CST; Today - Periods of snow. Amount 5 to 10 cm(2.0 to 3.9 in). Wind southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming light this afternoon. High -17C(1F). Wind chill -30.; Tonight - Clearing this evening. Wind up to 15 km/h (9 mph). Low (1 more message)

14:52 <efc> &more

14:52 <Romulus> efc: -32C(-26F). Wind chill -39.; Saturday - Sunny. Wind up to 15 km/h. High -29C(-20F). Extreme wind chill -44.;

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14:52 <PovAddict> extreme wind chill :O

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14:54 <xcamel> &wx Fort Youkon

14:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

14:54 <xcamel> &wx Fort Yukon

14:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: -56F / -49C | Humidity: N/A% | Pressure: 30.17in / 1022hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Today - Decreasing clouds with a few flurries in the morning. Partly cloudy after noon. Patchy ice fog. Highs 35 to 50 below... except 20 below on the hills. Light winds.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy ice fog. Lows 45 to 60 below... (1 more message)

14:54 <CoderForLife> ouch

14:54 <xcamel> there, now that's cold.

14:54 <efc> Chap Stick weather

14:55 <xcamel> &more

14:55 <Romulus> xcamel: except 25 to 30 below on the hills. Light winds.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. Patchy ice fog in the morning. Highs mostly 35 to 50 below. Northeast winds 15 to 30 mph on the hills south of the Yukon river with highs around 15 below. Light winds otherwise.;

14:55 <PovAddict> omg

14:55 <PovAddict> what's the temperature where celcius and farenheit are the same number?

14:55 <xcamel> 4 chaps and lots and lots of burning sticks

14:56 <PovAddict> &math convert -32 F to C

14:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: -35.5555555556

14:56 <xcamel> -39, iirc

14:56 <PovAddict> &math convert -39 F to C

14:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: -39.4444444444

14:56 <PovAddict> close

14:56 <PovAddict> &math convert -39.2 F to C

14:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: -39.5555555556

14:56 <CoderForLife> -40

14:56 <PovAddict> &math convert -40 F to C

14:56 <Romulus> PovAddict: -40.0

14:57 <CoderForLife> =)

14:58 <xcamel> woohoo... a gold star

14:59 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

14:59 * CoderForLife pops it into his crown

14:59 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 51.6F / 10.9C | Humidity: 89% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Fog | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly cloudy. Highs 61 to 66. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with occasional drizzle and slight chance of rain. Areas of dense fog. Visibility one quarter mile or less at times. Lows 41 to 49. Light winds. (2 more messages)

15:00 <xcamel> &wx MMLP

15:00 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 75°F / 24°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 12:45 PM MST; Chance of Rain. High:75 F.; Overcast. Low:59 F.; Clear. High:77 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:57 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:75 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:57 F.;

15:00 <xcamel> that's better...

15:02 <efc> &wx ipanema

15:02 <Romulus> efc: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

15:03 <efc> &wx ipanema, brazil

15:03 <Romulus> efc: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

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15:17 <xcamel> ipanema is a beach

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15:18 <efc> Where I'd rather be right now

15:19 <efc> &wx Rio de Janeiro

15:19 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 79°F / 26°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Thunderstorms and Rain | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:13 PM BRST; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:84 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:71 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:86 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:69 F.; Chance of Rain. High:73 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 (1 more message)

15:20 <Tidus> &wx 65647

15:20 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 59.0F / 15.0C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; This Afternoon - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 50s. Southeast winds around 10 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Patchy drizzle after midnight. Lows in the upper 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Considerable (1 more message)

15:20 <Tidus> &more

15:20 <Romulus> Tidus: cloudiness. Patchy drizzle in the morning...then a chance of showers and isolated thunderstorms in the afternoon. Breezy. Highs in the mid 60s. South winds 10 to 15 mph in the morning increasing to 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon. Chance of measurable precipitation 30 percent.;

15:55 * CoderForLife looks down upon Exeter using Google Maps

15:57 <CoderForLife> not a lot of traffic on MO-76 the day the Google van went through

15:57 <PovAddict> hey CFL

15:58 <PovAddict> here's some references you could quote in your "security is rarely convenient" trademark application: http://code.google.com/p/browsersec/wiki/Main

15:58 <Romulus> Title: Main - browsersec - Google Code - Browser Security Handbook landing page (at code.google.com)

16:00 <CoderForLife> looking

16:00 <PovAddict> it's *hell* out there in the web

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16:08 <CoderForLife> heh

16:09 <PovAddict> "Relatively unsafe core programming languages: [...] The choice of C and C++ means that browsers are regularly plagued by memory management and integer overflow problems"

16:10 <PovAddict> "Web technologies are used in browser chrome: Javascript, HTML, and XML are all used to a varying degree to implement some browser internals [...] in most browsers. This choice contributes to an elevated risk of HTML injection flaws that permit web content to gain elevated chrome privilege"

16:10 <PovAddict> what options are left then?

16:12 <efc> You can write in Ada. Its pretty safe, but you'll never finish.

16:14 <efc> I'm using it at work. I have to say, they botched the OO extensions to it pretty badly.

16:15 <CoderForLife> There's Jovial - but it suffered with the probe that missed Venus due to the floating point truncation problem

16:15 <PovAddict> writing a browser from scratch looks like it'd be Hell

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16:18 <efc> I use (or at least read) a lot of Jovial as well

16:19 <PovAddict> would you write an HTML+CSS layout engine in it?

16:19 <efc> I detest it, but mostly because the program is written badly. J itself is probably good for its time.

16:19 <efc> In Jovial? Hell no

16:19 <PovAddict> heh

16:19 <efc> We had an elementary one working in Smalltalk at one time

16:20 <PovAddict> I saw a brainf*ck compiler (to native x86 code) written in brainf*ck, want link? :)

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16:20 <CoderForLife> Ada was developed by committee - it strongly resembles everyone's five favorite languages

16:20 <PovAddict> um

16:20 <PovAddict> what are they?

16:21 <PovAddict> (do I even want to know?)

16:21 <efc> Its got a hefty does of PL/1 and Pascal

16:21 <CoderForLife> I was always dubious that a language that was good for inventory control was also good for realtime missile guidance

16:21 <PovAddict> well they call it general purpose

16:21 <PovAddict> ...don't they?

16:22 <efc> Its basically just super picky about typing. Other than that there are some nicities but nothing really exceptional.

16:22 <CoderForLife> from the Jovial experience

16:22 <efc> I guess I'd like something of an upgraded C/C++, compiled, but reasonably straightforward.

16:23 <PovAddict> "upgraded C" doesn't say much; be more specific, what should be more straightforward?

16:24 <PovAddict> C++0x is an "upgraded C++"

16:24 <efc> the ease of misuse of pointers and all that, for one

16:24 <PovAddict> you can use C++ without any pointers...

16:24 <PovAddict> use smart pointer classes or references

16:24 <CoderForLife> "John Travolta\rquote s 16-year-old son dies"

16:24 <efc> I'm not going to regurgitate all the criticisms of C/C++, plenty of others have done it

16:25 <PovAddict> if all the C++ code you read has pointer abuse, that's the code's problem, not the language :P

16:25 <PovAddict> Obj-C is C with OOP on top, you could look into that too

16:25 <CoderForLife> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28472480/

16:25 <Romulus> Title: John Travolta’s 16-year-old son dies - Celebrities- msnbc.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)

16:25 <PovAddict> (C++ is a lot more than that)

16:25 <efc> One other thing about Ada, it tends to be horribly slow. Some of it is runtime checks which can be turned off but never are. But also the compilers seem to stink.

16:26 <CoderForLife> I want my missiles to work faster than that

16:27 <efc> For example, in a loop like this: "For I in MyArray'Range.. do something with MyArray(I)"  It was doing bounds checking on the array on every single access, when you could statically prove that they were all safe.

16:28 <CoderForLife> except if someone invoked the COBOLism and re'defed I

16:29 <efc> If you do unchecked access, then all the runtime checks are for naught anyway.

16:29 <CoderForLife> yes sir

16:30 <efc> And you pretty much have to do it for any large scale program..

16:30 <efc> For things like callbacks

16:33 <CoderForLife> um-hmm

16:33 <efc> All the pickiness is great but it prevents most non-trivial taskss

16:34 <CoderForLife> I just love passing around void pointer s to callback functions

16:34 <efc> Then there's the typing.. you can really knock yourself out with it and not achieve much. Its hard to get it set up just right.

16:34 <CoderForLife> "don't worry about what it is, just call it"

16:35 <CoderForLife> "trust me, just call it"

16:35 <efc> Yeah, no void pointers in ada, though you can cast them to the point that they might as well be

16:35 <CoderForLife> (void *)(inr *)(float *) trouble()

16:36 <CoderForLife> er int *

16:38 <efc> I had a dream where I had to defend my current project

16:38 <efc> I was being interviewed by a reporter through an Exit sign in the ceiling

16:38 <CoderForLife> that's a daily recurring nightmare

16:38 <efc> I said some unpleasant things to her

16:38 <efc> Then my boss brings me the final artical. Its written on a slice of pizza.

16:38 <CoderForLife> Ooo symbology

16:38 <efc> I look at the face of it and can't read it. He says, you have to read it edgewise.

16:42 <CoderForLife> bbl

16:43 <efc> I think I ended up eating the pizza and understanding the article.

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17:03 <Tidus> i hate adding hard drives to a machine... means i have to shut em down

17:06 <xcamel> love means never having to say 'reboot'

17:23 <yoyo[RKN]> rehi

17:25 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:34 <PovAddict> I'll probably lose weight from this sickness

17:34 <PovAddict> which is bad, I was already a bit underweight

17:36 <xcamel> stomach flu - doesn't last too long..

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17:40 <Rookie_69> It took 2 1/2 beer to clean up the end of the driveway and shovel off my steps. Whew!

17:41 <xcamel> kind of a waste of beer in my opinion...

17:41 <Rookie_69> My back thanks me for stopping.

17:42 <Rookie_69> I think I heard something about more snow tomorrow... Hurrah!

17:44 <Rookie_69> I miss the old bias-ply mud lugs and posi rear end...

17:58 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

17:58 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 27.1°F / -2.7°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.65in / 1003.9hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 20.7mph / 33.3km/h | Updated: 6:58 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Increasing cloudiness this evening then periods of snow. Amount 5 cm(2.0 in). Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light this evening. Temperature (2 more messages)

17:58 <Rookie_69> &more

17:58 <Romulus> Rookie_69: rising to -3C(26F) this evening then falling.; Saturday - Periods of snow ending in the morning then a mix of sun and cloud. Wind becoming northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) in the afternoon. High -4C(24F). Saturday night cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Wind northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph). Low -9C(15F).; Sunday - Cloudy with 30 (1 more message)

17:58 <Rookie_69> &more

17:58 <Romulus> Rookie_69: percent chance of flurries. High -2C(28F).;

17:59 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

17:59 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 16°F / -9°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.39in / 1029hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 11:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:21 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Chance of Snow. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.;

17:59 <Rookie_69> Ok then... just a dusting.

18:00 <Rookie_69> They really stress that chance of snow...

18:04 <Rookie_69> I didn't think snow was all that rare in Berlin...

18:04 <yoyo[RKN]> there is a bit snow here

18:05 <xcamel> snow in Berlin is like Beer in Warsaw

18:05 * yoyo[RKN] only knows Wroclaw

18:05 <Rookie_69> We have about 10 cm here, but it blew around for two days before settling down.

18:07 <Rookie_69> Tomato... tomate.

18:10 <xcamel> potato... spuds

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18:13 <PovAddict> &google fight corregido correjido

18:13 <Romulus> PovAddict: corregido: 1540000, correjido: 19700

18:13 <PovAddict> that's still a lot of people writing it wrong

18:14 <Rookie_69> Deutschland... Germany.

18:17 <Rookie_69> potato... spuds... die kartoffel

18:18 <Soul_keeper> prius owners apparently have to replace their batteries every 150K miles for 2300-2600 a pop

18:18 <PovAddict> hmm

18:18 <PovAddict> a friend is asking me for help, he wants to build a PC

18:18 <PovAddict> looking for the parts

18:19 <Soul_keeper> you could buy a new crate engine for your 1980's 26MPG+ truck at kragen for that much ...

18:19 <PovAddict> however, to me, hardware is mostly the thing that makes noise next to me while I take care of the software

18:19 <Soul_keeper> can't convince him to wait a few more weeks PovAddict ?

18:19 <PovAddict> why S_k?

18:19 <Soul_keeper> new CPUs will be out

18:19 <PovAddict> he probably won't buy anything super-high-end

18:20 <Soul_keeper> although i think picking up the memory right now would be a wise decision

18:20 <Rookie_69> It ain't easy being green... Kermit said so.

18:20 <MTughan_> Didn't Intel just release the i7's? Or new models from them.

18:20 <PovAddict> his current PC has 256MB of RAM...

18:20 <Soul_keeper> i doubt these prices will hold long on the memory

18:20 <PovAddict> so anything in the world would be an upgrade to him

18:20 <Soul_keeper> they just cut production 15-20% in all the major mem companies, to combat the falling prices

18:21 <Soul_keeper> AMD's new 45nm processors will be out in a few weeks

18:22 <MTughan_> Dammit... Found how Adobe AIR got installed on my machine before. Adobe installs it with their PDF reader.

18:22 <PovAddict> he plans to buy the parts in the US

18:23 <PovAddict> MTughan_: sue their ass off

18:23 <MTughan_> I would've, but I'm already $340 "in debt" for this computer.

18:23 <PovAddict> ah you'd need a few more thousands for a lawyer

18:24 <PovAddict> newegg is slow as hell

18:25 <Soul_keeper> maybe they need an upgrade :)

18:25 <PovAddict> maybe

18:25 <PovAddict> send them an email, suggest some place to buy the upgrades

18:26 <MTughan_> Newegg? :)

18:26 <PovAddict> or their competition xD

18:26 <MTughan_> lol

18:26 <PovAddict> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121274 any good?

18:26 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5cf3kg> (at www.newegg.com)

18:27 <Soul_keeper> not bad

18:27 <MTughan_> &google Asus EAH4670 review

18:27 <Romulus> MTughan_: Search took 0.22 seconds: InsideHW - ASUS Launches EAH4670 & EN9400GT Series: <http://www.insidehw.com/News/Hardware/ASUS-Launches-EAH4670-and-EN9400GT-Series.html>; ASUS EAH4670 /DI - graphics adapter - Radeon HD 4670 - 512 MB ...: <http://reviews.cnet.com/graphics-cards/asus-eah4670-di-graphics/4505-8902_7-33312122.html>; "great information! great review ! very helpfull****" - ASUS (3 more messages)

18:28 <Tidus> the 4670's a fairly decent card

18:28 <Soul_keeper> if it ever loads, i'll pull up a review with cards in that price range

18:30 <MTughan_> Well that's nice... Sapphire included some manuals on their CD that came with my 4870. Unfortunately, they only included the HD2xxx and HD3xxx series manuals.

18:31 <Soul_keeper> hmmm i didn't realize the 4850 cost so much

18:31 <MTughan_> About $150-200?

18:31 <Soul_keeper> yeah

18:31 <Soul_keeper> but you can get a 3870 for about 90 bucks

18:31 <Soul_keeper> that should outperform it

18:32 <MTughan_> My 4870 cost about $330 for the 1GB model.

18:32 <Soul_keeper> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102752

18:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/3pmj2a> (at www.newegg.com)

18:32 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: actually, a 4850 outruns a 3870

18:32 <Tidus> the 4670 just about keeps up

18:32 <Soul_keeper> ohhh

18:33 <Tidus> the 4850 is a 4870 with slower memory (gddr3 vs gddr5) and slightly lower clock

18:33 <MTughan_> Yep.

18:33 <MTughan_> And a single slot cooler by the standard design.

18:34 <MTughan_> Anyway, dinner time... bbl

18:34 <Soul_keeper> geez the internet is slow today ...

18:34 <Tidus> but meh, what do i know... i'm still pokin around on an old nvidia 7600

18:34 <PovAddict> I have a 8600GT

18:35 <PovAddict> useless for me given how often I play games and what games i play

18:35 <Tidus> <-- laptop

18:35 <Tidus> my previous desktop had a 6600gs

18:36 <Soul_keeper> i've got a  6800XT, 9800GT, and radeon 3870

18:36 <Tidus> and the one before that had a radeon x1950xt

18:38 <Tidus> my next desktop is gonna be a phenom II, waiting on the am3 products

18:38 <Soul_keeper> the 3870 appears to be 40% faster in crysis than the 4670  ...

18:39 <Soul_keeper> 20% higher 3dmark score

18:39 <PovAddict> will it blend?

18:41 <Soul_keeper> correction the crysis benchmark, it is only marginally faster, i was looking at the CF setup

18:41 <Soul_keeper> but still 20% faster in 3dmark

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18:42 <Soul_keeper> it's the memory bandwidth,  3870 has twice what the 4670 has

18:42 <PovAddict> 83% of all statistics are made up on-the-fly 76% of the time

18:43 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:43 <Soul_keeper> http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm   http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/gaming-graphics-charts-q3-2008/3DMark06-v1-1-0-3DMark-Score,794.html

18:43 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/44syln> (at www.tomshardware.com)

18:44 <PovAddict> <CoderForLife> 83% of all statistics are made up on-the-fly 76% of the time

18:44 <PovAddict> <CoderForLife> 4 out of 5 dentists agree

18:44 <PovAddict> <efc> Thats 62% bull($#@, CFL

18:44 <PovAddict> <CoderForLife> ah, but's the other 76% that will get you

18:46 <xcamel> figures don't lie, but liars figure

18:47 <xcamel> cfl: Mark Hillman Endorses Ken Blackwell for RNC Chairman

18:47 <CoderForLife> it's nice to be quoted

18:48 <CoderForLife> excellent news, xcamel

18:48 <CoderForLife> the Anti-Obama => Blackwell

18:51 * CoderForLife is gone away again

18:52 <xcamel> Aunt JeBama?

18:52 * Rookie_69 looks over his shoulder and blinks twice.

18:52 <Rookie_69> Where'd he go?

18:52 <CoderForLife> we'll see as he handles the parallel crises

18:53 * CoderForLife de-materializes

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19:06 <Soul_keeper> Ha !  I win !!

19:07 <Rookie_69> Soul_keeper is a weiner?

19:07 <Rookie_69> Oh... winner.

19:08 <Soul_keeper> yup

19:08 <Soul_keeper> well if that's the part of me you wanna look at while i'm talking to you ....  :)

19:09 <Rookie_69> I said Is... not Has!

19:09 <Rookie_69> ;-)

19:10 <Soul_keeper> don't worry, i don't mind, it makes me feel "gifted"

19:11 <Rookie_69> It's not me you have to impress...

19:11 <Rookie_69> ... or want to, I hope.

19:12 <Soul_keeper> ok

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19:13 <xcamel> 2nd to last SGA on tonight

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20:23 <Rookie_69> !ooM

20:23 <efc> hey

20:25 <xcamel> eh?

20:28 <Rookie_69> He?

20:28 <Romulus> It has been said that He is a manly man, Rookie_69

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20:32 * xcamel groans

20:38 <xcamel> damn, that idiot little ibm drive just died.

20:38 <xcamel> grrrr...

20:38 <wdsmia> HAL is dead

20:38 <Soul_keeper> it died with it's creator ...

20:38 <Rookie_69> Reboot it... towards the pond.

20:38 <xcamel> I'll let it cool over night

20:39 <xcamel> btw.. put an 8gb chip in the blackberry... mucho spaceo

20:40 <xcamel> now to rip some old cd's

20:40 <Rookie_69> I find that they snap more than rip...

20:42 <xcamel> especially old ones..

20:43 <Rookie_69> Good way to get glitter though.

20:43 <xcamel> or shotgunning targets

20:44 <Rookie_69> I wouldn't think they'd get the distance of a proper skeet...

20:44 <Rookie_69> Use the sawed-off.

20:48 <xcamel> naaaah

20:48 <xcamel> you just gotta be quick

20:53 <Rookie_69> Try starfish... Sometimes you get five targets.

20:53 <xcamel> and a really bad smell...

20:53 <xcamel> laterz..

20:55 <Rookie_69> K.

20:56 <Rookie_69> Only if you hit them?

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21:13 * Rookie_69 goes into stupid mode...

21:14 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Turf... You must be some old sod?

21:14 * Rookie_69 switches back to normal???

21:14 <Soul_keeper> good work

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22:37 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

22:37 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 29.5°F / -1.4°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 29.56in / 1000.9hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 11:37 PM AST; Tonight - A few clouds. Increasing cloudiness this evening then periods of snow. Amount 5 cm(2.0 in). Wind west 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) becoming light this evening. Temperature (2 more messages)

22:37 <Rookie_69> &more

22:37 <Romulus> Rookie_69: rising to -3C(26F) this evening then falling.; Saturday - Periods of snow ending in the morning then a mix of sun and cloud. Wind becoming northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) in the afternoon. High -4C(24F). Saturday night cloudy with 40 percent chance of flurries. Wind northwest 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph). Low -9C(15F).; Sunday - Cloudy with 30 (1 more message)

22:37 <Rookie_69> &more

22:37 <Romulus> Rookie_69: percent chance of flurries. High -2C(28F).;

22:38 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

22:38 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 23.0F / -5.0C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy until early morning then becoming mostly cloudy. Low in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. East wind 10 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Cloudy. Patchy drizzle and freezing (2 more messages)

22:39 <wdsmia> &more

22:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: drizzle in the morning...then a chance of light rain and areas of drizzle in the afternoon. High in the mid 30s. East wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Saturday Night - Cloudy...breezy. A chance of light freezing rain in the evening. A chance of light sleet late in the evening...then a chance of light snow after midnight. Low 15 to 20. North (1 more message)

22:39 <wdsmia> &more

22:39 <Romulus> wdsmia: wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to northwest 20 to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

22:43 * Rookie_69 wonders what he's still doing up at almost quarter to the witching hour.

22:46 <Rookie_69> Apparently eating pickles and crackers.

22:47 * Rookie_69 is too lazy to slice up the cheese.

22:48 <Rookie_69> Mmm... cheese...

22:49 * Rookie_69 is almost too lazy to slice up the cheese.

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22:57 <Rookie_69> Mmm... Tastes like rancid goat's intestines... must be good cheese.

22:58 <Rookie_69> Never mind how I know what rancid goat's intestines taste like...

23:02 <Rookie_69> Even bad straight lines are wasted when nobody's listening.

23:02 <Rookie_69> :-(

23:02 <Tidus> oh i seen it

23:02 <Tidus> just didn't know what to say

23:03 <Rookie_69> Bugger off seems to be the usual response... or something like that.

23:03 <Rookie_69> ;-)

23:05 <Tidus> lol

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23:08 <Rookie_69> If I say I broke my arm in two places, you're supposed to tell me to stay out of those two places... etc.

23:08 <Tidus> i'm no good at following stuff like that

23:09 <wdsmia_> Two eye doctors walk into a building

23:09 <Rookie_69> They should find a good eye doctor...

23:09 <wdsmia_> you would think one of them would have seen it

23:09 <Rookie_69> Lol.

23:10 <Rookie_69> It takes a warped mind, I guess.

23:11 <Rookie_69> No offense, Doug. ;-)

23:13 <Rookie_69> Oh well... 13 past the witching hour... I guess I'll toddle off.

23:13 <Rookie_69> NN.

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23:34 <Tank_Master-> hey!

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