IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-01-05

00:10 <Soul_keeper> I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE !!!

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01:02 <MTughan> I can't seem to make my processor stable at 3.35GHz, although I haven't really tried yet.

01:03 <MTughan> 3.27 is stable, I'm testing a much higher FSB with a slightly lower multipler, 3.05GHz.

01:03 <Soul_keeper> which CPU ?

01:04 <MTughan> C2Q Q6600.

01:04 <MTughan> BSOD's on me.

01:04 <Soul_keeper> that's 65nm right ?

01:04 <MTughan> Yes.

01:05 <MTughan> I haven't played with the voltages yet, so that'll be my next step.

01:05 <Soul_keeper> my dual core allendales both maxed out at 3GHz even

01:05 <Soul_keeper> my 45nm q9450 maxes out at 3.3GHz

01:05 <MTughan> I'd liken this processor to a Conroe rather than an Allendale.

01:05 <Soul_keeper> it's likely a heat issue, raising the voltage can hinder the oc

01:06 <MTughan> I know.

01:06 <Soul_keeper> liken it to whatever you want

01:07 <Soul_keeper> 3.2GHz was my max during the summer, 3.3 during the winter :)

01:08 <MTughan> It's a little chiller in here right now, hottest core is at 66C under Prime95.

01:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm at 57C on my q9450 right now, full load under boinc

01:10 <Soul_keeper> 63C on my allendale

01:10 <MTughan> I find BOINC runs 10C cooler than Prime95, at least with ABC.

01:11 <MTughan> So I'm figuring my max temp is somewhere around 75C.

01:11 <Soul_keeper> in my experience they get unstable in the mid 60's

01:11 <MTughan> 3.27 was running at 70-71C.

01:11 <Soul_keeper> that's crazy

01:11 <Soul_keeper> i've pushed mine up to 74C before

01:12 <Soul_keeper> think i was trying for 3.4 then or something

01:13 <MTughan> I did attempt a 3.42GHz clock. That didn't last long after I started Prime95. :)

01:13 <Soul_keeper> you could probably hit 3.6 on default voltage with extreme cooling i bet

01:14 <Soul_keeper> i hear of people running at 3.8 on forums

01:14 <Soul_keeper> likely below ambient cooling tho

01:14 <MTughan> Probably. As it is, I think I could get somewhat better temps with a reapplication of the thermal paste and pointing the cooler up/down.

01:15 <Soul_keeper> once the thermal paste settles for a few days it operates at it's best

01:15 <MTughan> In the Antec Nine Hundred, I have that big fan on top that's blowing mostly cool air ATM. It'd probably offer better cooling than the 120mm.

01:16 <MTughan> I can actually give you the exact date I started stressing the comp... Dec 26.

01:16 <Soul_keeper> fun

01:16 <MTughan> I attached to ABC and let it run for 24 hours to start off the process. :D

01:17 <MTughan> Yeow... -9C out there, I have the window open.

01:19 <MTughan> What cooler do you use anyway?

01:19 <MTughan> I'm thinking if I'm going to do any more spending on this comp soon, it'll be to either up the RAM to 8GB or replace the CPU cooler.

01:20 <Soul_keeper> i'm loving my new vid card :)

01:20 <Soul_keeper> mem is high on my list also tho

01:20 <MTughan> What vid card?

01:21 <Soul_keeper> gf 9800GT

01:21 <MTughan> Heh, just looked at the clock on this laptop... 2.53GHz seems paltry now. :D

01:21 <MTughan> BOINCing on it?

01:21 <Soul_keeper> yes

01:21 <MTughan> How did I know... :P

01:21 <Soul_keeper> still kinda early to tell, but it looks like it's doubled my RAC

01:22 <MTughan> Nice!

01:22 <Soul_keeper> not bad for 120 bucks :)

01:22 <MTughan> I'm hoping AI comes out with their ATI app soon... I like the gaming aspect of a 4870, but not much to BOINC ATM.

01:22 <MTughan> I only have one game that can really push the GPU though, and it's only on a 1440x900 screen too.

01:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah

01:23 <Soul_keeper> i think we might have to wait for opencl to come out before things really heat up

01:23 <MTughan> More than likely.

01:24 <MTughan> I'm just wondering if it'll be supported on the current cards, or only on newer cards too.

01:24 <Soul_keeper> hopefully it'll be the same cutoff point

01:24 <Soul_keeper> ati 4xxx series and nv 8xxx series  and up

01:25 <MTughan> You mean for CUDA and Brook+?

01:25 <Soul_keeper> yeah

01:25 <Soul_keeper> should be the same for opencl i'd think

01:26 <MTughan> I hope so. Otherwise, not much use for my 4870, or your 9800.

01:26 <Soul_keeper> but there is a lot of beurocracy with standards bodies that have dozens of members so i'd expect it to take a long time

01:26 <Soul_keeper> i've got a radeon 3870  but i don't think it'll be supported

01:26 <MTughan> I don't think my 3470 will be either.

01:28 * efc VGAWonder :(

01:29 <Soul_keeper> i think folding@home was working on the 3xxx gpu's there for awhile just in windows, it's not thru boinc tho  so i dunno

01:29 <MTughan> Yeah, I had it running for a bit, tried alongside BOINC.

01:29 <MTughan> Needed a CPU to do it though, wasn't worth it.

01:30 <Soul_keeper> i think the folding@home guys hate boinc, that's the impression i got on their forums after reading a few threads

01:30 <MTughan> Heh.

01:30 <MTughan> I don't know if I blame them.

01:31 <Soul_keeper> well i hate them :)

01:31 <Soul_keeper> i like boinc

01:32 <Soul_keeper>    making a little progress on my own race chart program

01:33 <Soul_keeper> just gotta plot the data now

01:33 <Soul_keeper> your data is in there

01:58 <efc> yep, i owe the *$#@ feds more money

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03:25 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 31.2F / -0.4C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.14in / 1020.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Monday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the upper 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming northeast in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear in (1 more message)

03:25 <CoderForLife> &more

03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the evening...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of freezing rain after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;

03:27 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast-something-or-other

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03:39 <CoderForLife> b

03:46 <Tidus> note to self... vista + 2gb ram + enough items open to cause a single line taskbar to be reduced to icons and maybe 3 letters = pegged hard drive light...

03:47 <CoderForLife> note to self P.S.: avoid Vista like the Bubonic Plague

03:47 <Tidus> i can't

03:47 <Tidus> got a couple games that require it :(

03:47 <CoderForLife> thou art doomed

03:47 <Tidus> plus it's the only legit copy of windows i have

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03:59 <Soul_keeper> nothing ever changes in #perl

03:59 <Soul_keeper> can't ask for ANY help at all

04:00 <CoderForLife> There's More Than One Way To Do It

04:00 <Soul_keeper> nothing like spending 5hrs trying to put some data into a db or array

04:00 <Soul_keeper> then asking for a little help and they just belittle you and tell you to RTFM

04:01 <CoderForLife> yeah, I've been really slammed in #perl

04:01 <Soul_keeper> i spent 2 days coding nonstop and didn't ask for a lick of help

04:01 <Soul_keeper> go in there for a few minutes and they jump on me

04:01 <Soul_keeper> i really hate life

04:02 <Soul_keeper> it's amazing how  unclear the official doc/tutorials can be

04:02 <Soul_keeper> without examples it's all worthless

04:02 <CoderForLife> #perl is no reflective of #life

04:02 <CoderForLife> er not

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04:03 <Soul_keeper> my whole life is a mess i can't wait till i check out

04:03 <Soul_keeper> i spend all day coding, just wanting to accomplish one damn thing, then it's 1am and i'm still a failure

04:04 <CoderForLife> Coding can be rewarding like that, sometimes

04:05 <Soul_keeper>   i just want to put those numbers into a db

04:05 <Soul_keeper> i just don't understand why they make it so difficult

04:06 <CoderForLife> do you have them in an array?

04:06 <Soul_keeper> can't figure out how to do that either

04:06 <CoderForLife> look at the split function in perl

04:06 <Soul_keeper> i can open the file, then sit there for several hours getting nowhere

04:06 <Soul_keeper>    here is my attempt at split

04:06 <Romulus> Title: Paste #34218 from "Soul_keeper" at (at

04:08 <CoderForLife> um - I see several issues

04:08 <CoderForLife> open FILE1 then while <FILE>

04:09 <CoderForLife> shouldn't the while refer to FILE1?

04:09 <Soul_keeper> yes thanks

04:09 <CoderForLife> next, if you have more than one line in FILE1, stats_db will be overwritten with each line

04:10 <CoderForLife> might not be a problem in your case

04:11 <Soul_keeper> it's all on one line

04:11 <CoderForLife> see example 1 at

04:11 <Romulus> <> (at

04:13 <CoderForLife> read your line into $data, then split it into @values, then use foreach loop to print them

04:13 <CoderForLife> get that to work before worrying about the database access

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04:15 <Soul_keeper> my problem seems to lie in getting the output from the text file it seems

04:17 <CoderForLife> I'm working on it - give me a sec

04:22 <CoderForLife>

04:22 <Romulus> Title: Paste #34219 from "CodeForLife" at (at

04:23 <CoderForLife> note that your data begins with a space; shouldn't hurt anything, I'm thinking

04:24 <Soul_keeper> i'm still getting an odd error

04:24 <CoderForLife> basically needed to use the @ operator to specify array

04:26 <CoderForLife> what error?

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04:28 <Soul_keeper> Global symbol "@stats_db" requires explicit package name at ./ line 18.

04:29 <CoderForLife> disregard my space comment - only looked like it on the web page

04:29 <CoderForLife> line 18?

04:30 <Soul_keeper>

04:30 <Romulus> Title: Paste #34220 from "Soul_keeper" at (at

04:30 <CoderForLife> before the open FILE1, try putting "my @stats_db;"

04:30 <CoderForLife> ah "I hate "use strict;"

04:31 <Soul_keeper> tryed that same issue

04:31 <CoderForLife> comment out strict and warnings

04:31 <Soul_keeper> ok it appears  strict was the problem :)

04:31 <CoderForLife> I am not a strict Perl Coder =)

04:31 <Soul_keeper> works now

04:31 <CoderForLife> cool =)

04:32 <Soul_keeper> i still got a lot of work ahead of me on this one, but i think this calls for a break

04:32 <CoderForLife> OK HTH

04:32 <CoderForLife> good luck

04:32 <Soul_keeper> maybe some sleep,  thanks

04:37 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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05:25 <CoderForLife> need to gather my things and head off to w@#%

05:25 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:38 <hawmps> ip kills,,,,,

06:38 <hawmps> also

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07:38 <Soul_keeper>             MUAHAHAHAHA !!!

07:47 <Soul_keeper> that's the culmination of 2 days worth of work ... lol

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08:02 <CoderForLife> omg hawmps - you under attack?

08:02 <hawmps> just catching up...

08:04 <CoderForLife> you need to ask for the quantity discount

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08:07 * CoderForLife notices that suddenly he's been volunteered to be in a race

08:07 <Soul_keeper> hahaha

08:08 <Soul_keeper> FreeLarry58  mopped the floor with us all

08:10 <CoderForLife> I haven't raced since E-30 whooped up on me in QMC

08:13 <Soul_keeper> maybe we'll have to start a race,  that chart was just the last 30 days pulled from boincstats

08:13 <Soul_keeper> something updated daily would be interesting

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08:25 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, we need to find someone slower tho :)

08:36 <Soul_keeper>

08:36 <Romulus> Title: Federico Razzoli (at

08:38 <Soul_keeper> that's impressive how he talked about already having ported gcc and the filesystem

08:38 <Soul_keeper> either it was nothing to him or he's very humble

08:43 <CoderForLife> maybe I need to power on some of my machines that I took offline due to the electric bill

08:49 <Soul_keeper> nah don't waist electricity

08:50 <Soul_keeper> can still do things efficiently :)

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10:49 <sv2_> morning..

10:49 <jackygrahamez> hi

10:50 <sv2_> got a couple of questions... looking for a possible framework for a distributed application/process.. and wanted to talk to someone who's knowlegable about boinc..

10:51 <jackygrahamez> shoot

10:51 <sv2_> thanks...

10:52 <sv2_> i'm considering a crawler kind of app... i'll have a separate script for each site i crawl...

10:52 <sv2_> i'll have ~5000 of these scripts...

10:52 <sv2_> i'd like a process that allows me to submit these scripts to the given client servers in my network...

10:53 <sv2_> as well as the ability to monitor the overall health of the apps/systems/etc...

10:53 <PovAdct_w> BOINC isn't really made to send a specific thing to a specific client

10:53 <sv2_> eventually, i'll think about running all of this on the amazon ec2 cloud system..

10:54 <sv2_> does boinc allow me to send the 'next' thing to the 'next available/ready' client?

10:54 <PovAdct_w> boinc lets you put a bunch of stuff in the "work to do" queue, then clients grab from it

10:55 <sv2_> ok.. so it's a client pull mechanism...

10:55 <PovAdct_w> yes, clients never open any ports

10:55 <jackygrahamez> I wrote some code that submits to specific clients that I own and later David added a little code built in to create workunits for specific clients

10:55 <PovAdct_w> clients do HTTP requests to the server asking for work

10:56 <sv2_> hmm.. if clients don't open ports.. how do they download the 'work' to be run on the client box..

10:56 <sv2_> got it....

10:56 <PovAdct_w> same way your web browser does

10:56 <sv2_> so the client does open a port.. just a basic http port..

10:56 <PovAdct_w> not a listening port

10:56 <PovAdct_w> it's an outgoing connection

10:56 <sv2_> right..

10:57 <sv2_> hmm..

10:57 <PovAdct_w> in your case you control all the clients, right?

10:58 <sv2_> so i could have a boinc client.. fire back to the server.. get the next work app...

10:58 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - yes...

10:58 <PovAdct_w> that is, they're all computers under your control?

10:58 <sv2_> yes..

10:58 <PovAdct_w> then you could force all clients to immediately request work after you add it to the queue

10:58 <PovAdct_w> usually, you'd have to wait for clients to do their periodic connection

10:59 <sv2_> the boinc client, running on the client machine, will be an app i create/modify, based on a boinc template, yes/no?

10:59 <PovAdct_w> no

10:59 <PovAdct_w> the boinc client contacts the server, downloads your app, runs it, returns result, fetches more work

10:59 <PovAdct_w> decides what project to run next

10:59 <PovAdct_w> etc

11:00 <sv2_> got it... that's what i wanted to hear!!

11:00 <PovAdct_w> your app uses mostly network?

11:01 <PovAdct_w> any app that doesn't keep the CPU at 100% while it runs isn't exactly a "typical" BOINC app (but there are still mechanisms to handle that)

11:02 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - it will... in the crawling phase.. a lot of http gets/page fetches/parsing of data.. i'll be having abuch of data returned in a datafile, to be sent back to the boinc master..

11:02 <sv2_> i assume i can have multiple boinc clients on a single client box..

11:03 <sv2_> does boinc provide monitoring functionality.. to monitor the overall health/status of the various client systems..

11:03 <PovAdct_w> yes

11:04 <PovAdct_w> the user interface is on a separate program, talking over TCP to the client

11:04 <sv2_> ok....

11:04 <PovAdct_w> you can make your own program / scripts that uses the same protocol to control *all* the clients

11:04 <PovAdct_w> and, for example, force them to contact the server immediately

11:04 <sv2_> now... is there someone i could talk to on the phone about what i'm considering...

11:04 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - are you in the US/Canada?

11:05 <PovAdct_w> btw, there's usually no point in running multiple clients in the same computer, and it may cause problems if you do

11:05 <sv2_> what kind of issues?

11:05 <jackygrahamez> Yeah I was wondering about that

11:05 <PovAdct_w> I'm in Argentina and my spoken English is nowhere as good as my written English ;)

11:06 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - can i email you what i'm considering in more detail..

11:06 <PovAdct_w> well, for example, they'd all try to use the same port number for the "GUI control"

11:07 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: I sent you my email address on a private message

11:08 <PovAdct_w> ok, back in an hour or so

11:08 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - let me back up a second... you said i can have a single boinc client running..

11:08 * PovAdct_w hits breaks

11:08 <sv2_> but i'm assuming i can force the client to keep gettting additional working client apps.../

11:08 <PovAdct_w> yes, it's best if you run one boinc client per computer

11:09 <jackygrahamez> Are these multicore computers?

11:09 <sv2_> so i can have multiple numbers of my client apps running.. on a given client server?

11:09 <PovAdct_w> the client may be running multiple apps at the same time though

11:09 <PovAdct_w> for example, it would run two CPU intensive apps on a dualcore

11:09 <sv2_> right... no prob...

11:10 <sv2_> i'm assuming that boinc allows the client app to send back data on the client server resources..

11:10 <jackygrahamez> yes

11:10 <jackygrahamez> I test my apps on my server sometimes

11:11 <PovAdct_w> support for network apps (that don't use CPU) isn't quite good, and BOINC developers kind of don't care about improving it (long story, let's just say getting GPUs supported quick gets them funding, even if they lose flexibility in the process)

11:11 <sv2_> cool..

11:11 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: apps create output files, when the app finishes, boinc uploads those files

11:12 <PovAdct_w> usually it's just one file though

11:12 <sv2_> so i'm also assuming that i can restrict a boinc client from requesting new work, if it's resources are already beyond some limit..

11:12 <PovAdct_w> (projects that need to upload a lot of files just make the app put them in a .zip on completion :P)

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11:13 <sv2_> right...

11:13 <sv2_> but i'll have a single file for each run of work..

11:13 <PovAdct_w> ok, now leaving for real

11:13 <sv2_> i'll put this in am email to you!

11:13 <sv2_> thanks!!

11:13 <PovAdct_w> back in an hour as PovAddict :P

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11:27 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20011

11:27 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 48.3F / 9.1C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. Northwest winds around 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and sleet after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of (1 more message)

11:27 <jackygrahamez> &more

11:27 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: precipitation 20 percent.; Tuesday - Cloudy. A chance of rain and sleet in the morning...then rain and sleet in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.;

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11:33 <BadBarbarian> wow theres an OP today lol 'lo Hawmps

11:33 <MTughan_> Heh. He's been op for a while now IIRC.

11:36 *** hawmps sets mode: -o hawmps

11:36 <hawmps> lol

11:37 <MTughan_> 'lo Dogu

11:37 <MTughan_> Doug*

11:39 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,

11:41 <wdsmia_w> *lo MT

11:41 <hawmps> 'lo Mike, Doug

11:41 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

11:42 <wdsmia_w> *lo Johnboy

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12:05 <sv2_> &wx 78759

12:05 <Romulus> sv2_: Temperature: 36.3F / 2.4C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.48in / 998.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy with occasional light rain. Occasional drizzle. Highs in the lower 40s. North winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Tonight - Rain. Near steady temperature in the upper 30s. North winds 5 mph shifting (1 more message)

12:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

12:05 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 16°F / -9°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:26 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Clear. High:22 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:15 F.;

12:06 <sv2_> where the heck is sxf?

12:06 <yoyo[RKN]> Berlin

12:07 <sv2_> cold!

12:07 <yoyo[RKN]> jup

12:09 <MTughan_> &airport sxf

12:09 <Romulus> MTughan_: Berlin - Schoenefeld, Germany

12:10 <yoyo[RKN]> and will be colder in the next hours

12:11 <MTughan_> &wx yow

12:11 <Romulus> MTughan_: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Light Snow Showers | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM EST; Today - Cloudy with sunny periods. 60 percent chance of flurries early this afternoon. High -4C(24F).; Tonight - Cloudy. 40 percent chance of flurries overnight. Low -10C(14F).; Tuesday - Cloudy. 40 percent (1 more message)

12:11 <MTughan_> Yep, you're a bit colder.

12:12 <yoyo[RKN]> &airport yow

12:12 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Ottawa - Hull, Canada

12:12 <MTughan_> Not that either is particularly warm.

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12:12 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

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12:13 <MTughan_> I never really liked Ottawa's airport code. I just think they named it because they though people'd be going "Yow!" :P

12:14 <sv2_> give me florida/texas!!

12:14 <sv2_> the beach baby!!

12:14 <MTughan_> Naw, I like the cold. Makes for good overclocking. :D

12:14 <Soul_keeper> no comment on my chart MTughan ? :/

12:14 <MTughan_> I didn't see much of a chart.

12:14 <MTughan_> Link again?

12:15 <Soul_keeper>

12:15 <sv2_> PovAddict - you back yet??

12:15 <MTughan_> Ah, the lines weren't in it when I viewed it last night.

12:15 <Soul_keeper> :)

12:16 <MTughan_> When's the period for that? IE, when did you start and end?

12:16 <MTughan_> Ah, date's on there...

12:17 <MTughan_> Looks cool. Should look better when I have full res too...

12:17 <Soul_keeper> i could make it cleaner

12:17 <MTughan_> Working with 1280x1024 ATM.

12:17 <Soul_keeper> ahh

12:18 <MTughan_> Odd, I thought it was actually 1024x768 before, but whatever... 1440x900 should do that image some more justice.

12:18 <MTughan_> Anyway, nice image.

12:18 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's  1000x2500

12:18 <MTughan_> Care to include Pov?

12:19 <Soul_keeper> sure if i get his boincstats id or crossproject id

12:19 <MTughan_> One sec, I'll pull it up...

12:20 <MTughan_>

12:20 <Romulus> <> (at

12:23 <Soul_keeper> ok i'll mess with it later

12:25 <MTughan_> All right, I'm heading "home", after some lunch... bbl

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12:39 <Niklas_E> is there anyway to reconfigure "boinc when you have installed it?

12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> a user has this problem in a wu: Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)

12:48 <hawmps> not really

12:48 <yoyo[RKN]>

12:48 <Romulus> <> (at

12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> what does it mean?

12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> the app called a incorrect boinc function?

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13:04 <Niklas_E> Anyone know how to make setiathome work on gentoo? How do I install it?

13:06 <MTughan> Shouldn

13:06 * XioNYC is away: auto-away

13:06 <MTughan> ..'t be any installing for SETI. If you get BOINC running and attach your machine to SETI, it should work automatically.

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13:07 <Niklas_E> would  6.2.15 work?

13:07 <Niklas_E> of boinc

13:07 <MTughan> Should. What are you trying now?

13:08 <Niklas_E> tried that but said something about wrong version

13:08 <MTughan> Do you have the specific error message?

13:09 <Soul_keeper> the seti devs seem to like 6.4.5

13:10 <Niklas_E> lets see,

13:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm using 6.5.0  but others have said there are bugs in this version

13:11 <MTughan> I'm running 6.2.19.

13:11 <Niklas_E> mn  5 jan 2009 18.54.02|SETI@home|Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a version of Astropulse.

13:11 <Niklas_E>

13:11 <MTughan> Your app_info... Do you know where the project data files are?

13:11 <Soul_keeper> did you try resetting the project ?

13:12 <Niklas_E> nope,

13:12 <Niklas_E> doesn't know you could do that

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13:12 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: IIRC, resetting doesn't delete an app_info.

13:14 <MTughan> Yeow, this is one hot chip... Running with a higher FSB and lower multiplier, core 1 is steady at 77C.

13:14 <MTughan> I got 71 with a lower FSB and higher multiplier, and a higher final clock.

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13:17 <MTughan> One thing: will the higher multiplier just result in possibly higher memory speeds? Any use going with it over the lower FSB for BOINC?

13:18 <Soul_keeper> lower mult should translate to higher mem speeds, higher fsb speeds

13:18 <Soul_keeper> overall faster system

13:18 <MTughan> Yep, I'm just below a 1600MHz FSB now.

13:18 <Soul_keeper> that core temp is dangerous tho imo

13:18 <MTughan> I know...

13:19 <MTughan> Previous clock, 40MHz lower had the same temp.

13:19 <MTughan> I'm wondering if I should stick with the lower FSB and higher multiplier?

13:19 <Soul_keeper> well with a higher fsb, you could drop the core clock lower and still get the same or better performance

13:19 <MTughan> I definitely wouldn't up the voltage right now.

13:20 <MTughan> What does the multiplier do in terms of how a processor calculates anyway? Any idea?

13:20 <Soul_keeper> if you do got with the higher mult, then run the memory slow with the tightest timings you can

13:21 <Soul_keeper> it's basically    fsb x mult = cpu freq

13:21 <MTughan> I know, but I'm wondering what effect it has.

13:21 <Soul_keeper> and mem dividers are basically a multiple/fraction of fsb also

13:21 <Soul_keeper> but the way they calculate things with  HT and quad/dual pumped stuff you gotta look things up

13:22 <Soul_keeper> just a math equation

13:24 <jackygrahamez> I'm back

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13:25 <Soul_keeper> everything used to be multiples of the 33MHz pci bus but i think that's all independent now

13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> wb jackygrahamez

13:27 <jackygrahamez> Hi yoy[RKN] I heard somewhere you may be writing a book?

13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, it is mainly finished and will be published soon

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13:37 <MTughan> I'm wondering if I should try to push the FSB higher and lower the multiplier again...

13:38 <Soul_keeper> depends what your motherboard/mem can handle

13:38 <Soul_keeper> you'll have start messing with voltages/timings

13:38 <MTughan> I'm more than likely not going to be able to run 1:1 FSB:RAM.

13:38 <MTughan> That would require pushing the FSB to 2132MHz overall.

13:38 <Soul_keeper> could corrupt your bios if you got a cheesy motherboard

13:39 <MTughan> It's an Asus P5Q-E, P45 chipset.

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13:39 <Soul_keeper> nice

13:41 <PovAddict> damn

13:41 <PovAddict> came back to find the computer screen black and blinking screen LED

13:42 <PovAddict> not even the ttys worked

13:42 <PovAddict> dunno what I'd do without my jailbroken iPod touch

13:42 <PovAddict> I ssh'd to this machine and checked dmesg

13:42 <PovAddict> sure enough... NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 16, Head 00000000 Count 00f192c1

13:43 <PovAddict> same stupid error I have been getting around once a month, along with this screen symptom (and X using all CPU)

13:44 <Soul_keeper> NVRM  shoulds like  part of the nvidia driver

13:44 <PovAddict> yup

13:44 <PovAddict> as a sidenote, switching between IRC via and using ssh on the Terminal app on the iPod touch is... crap

13:44 <PovAddict> often I went to ssh, checked something, went back to the browser

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13:49 <PovAddict_> DAMN THE WORLD

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13:49 <PovAddict> as soon as I got everything booted up again, I got one of those split-second power outages

13:50 <PovAddict> shuts computer down but leaves it in a confused state

13:50 <PovAddict> power led still on

13:50 <PovAddict> power button does nothing

13:50 <PovAddict> I have to turn off the power strip for a few seconds

13:57 <sv2_> not cool PovAddict!!

13:58 <jackygrahamez> I power my computer with attitude

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14:01 <PovAddict> I need a UPS

14:01 <PovAddict> or

14:01 <PovAddict> a generator connected to a bike

14:02 <PovAddict> would be good so I get some exercise

14:02 <MTughan> You'd still probably want a battery to at least store the power so you don't have to predict outages.

14:03 <sv2_> PovAddict - is this for a single machine... or would the ups handle multiple boxes?

14:03 <sv2_> PovAddict - oh.. did you get my email?

14:03 <PovAddict> single machine + router + modem

14:03 <PovAddict> I did

14:03 <PovAddict> didn't read it yet

14:03 <PovAddict> I only just got my computer to show something on screen remember :)

14:03 <sv2_> yeah..!! i know that feeling!

14:03 <MTughan> Big flakes of snow falling...

14:04 <PovAddict> MTughan: xkcd relevant :]

14:04 <PovAddict> &wx eze

14:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 94°F / 34°C | Humidity: 19% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:93 F.; Clear. Low:69 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:93 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:89 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:62 F.;

14:04 <MTughan> Ah, the metric conversions? xD

14:04 <PovAddict> humidity seems low

14:04 <MTughan> 140km/h: raptor on hoverboard

14:05 <PovAddict> 200kg: your mom

14:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:05 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 14°F / -10°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Clear. High:24 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Clear. High:22 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:15 F.;

14:05 <MTughan> 220kg: your mom (including cheap jewelery)

14:05 <MTughan> 223kg: your mom (also including makeup)

14:06 <MTughan> -40C: Spit goes "clink" xD

14:07 <PovAddict> thankfully I've never seen that happen

14:07 <MTughan> Well, 408MHz FSB (1624MHz quad-pumped) with a 7x mult, seems to level out at 70-71C.

14:07 <MTughan> &math 266 * 2

14:07 <Romulus> MTughan: 532

14:07 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to double the default FSB...

14:08 <MTughan> I'm looking at getting a new cooler though, hopefully then I can push higher. Looking at a Xigmatek S1263 (or something like that, don't remember exact).

14:09 <MTughan> S1283, my bad.

14:30 <jackygrahamez> What's a good irc client on linux

14:30 * XioNYC is back (gone 01:18:12)

14:30 <jackygrahamez> ?

14:31 <PovAddict> I use Konversation

14:31 <jackygrahamez> RH5

14:31 <PovAddict> just because it came with KDE

14:31 <PovAddict> didn't bother looking much

14:33 <jackygrahamez> Are there any issues with creating a BOINC server on a 64-bit server?

14:34 <PovAddict> I'd guess *most* are 64-bit for performance reasons...

14:34 <PovAddict> using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit server is a waste, and all fast CPUs are 64-bit nowadays

14:34 <jackygrahamez> That's what I was hoping

14:34 <PovAddict> for the BOINC server itself, 64-bit doesn't really matter; but the database server (MySQL) would surely benefit

14:35 <PovAddict> (database server meaning mysqld, I'm not implying you'd use separate physical servers)

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14:36 <jackygrahamez> I'm just having a little trouble right now with the _autosetup

14:36 <PovAddict> XioNYC: please make your auto-away set you as 'away' without sending any message to the channel...

14:36 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: ah, errors on first step, fun :)

14:36 <jackygrahamez> :-)

14:37 <PovAddict> brb attacking fridge

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14:45 <hawmps> cripes... ip kill >>

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15:00 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - thanks for the reply.. sent you a re-reply!

15:01 <Sidde> hi. got a hopfully quick question. i've just installed boinc_client and attached to the seti project with my setikey. But no work gets downloaded

15:03 <jackygrahamez> I just got your message

15:03 <jackygrahamez> I'll write back

15:07 <FreeLarry58> yuck the commute home last night was hairy.  slid all the way under and past a tree that fell across highway

15:07 <FreeLarry58> lucky me only a scratch on the hood of the car

15:07 <hawmps> luckt indeed.

15:07 <hawmps> er lucky even..

15:08 <FreeLarry58> yah i stopped by a snowplow that was on side checking his equipment so it could get radioed in

15:08 <FreeLarry58> 6 inches last night.  mostly melted now but probably will be icy for tonight also

15:09 <hawmps> My brother hit one head on and damn near took the plow right off his truck.

15:09 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - cool, thanks... are you int the US/Canada?

15:09 <FreeLarry58> after looking at the plow on the freeway that isn't something i want to try

15:12 <hawmps> not fun

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15:13 <FreeLarry58> well time for dailies and get ready to commute again

15:13 <FreeLarry58> tca

15:13 <hawmps> watch for down trees...

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15:51 <PovAddict> I've never had so many problems in the same day

15:53 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:53 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 10°F / -12°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CET; Clear. High:24 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Clear. High:22 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:15 F.;

15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> gets colder and colder

15:55 <xcamel> got up to the mid 30's here..

15:55 <xcamel> turned out to be a fairly nice day...

16:14 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:14 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 30.3F / -0.9C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. The low around 16. West winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. The high around 30. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night (1 more message)

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16:17 <xcamel> &more

16:17 <Romulus> xcamel: - Snow likely in the evening...then snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 3 to 6 inches. The low in the mid 20s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 08, 2009;

16:19 <xcamel> that aint gonna be pretty.

16:22 <xcamel> Bog slug of yuk getting its act together down in Louisiana...

16:22 <xcamel> big even...

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16:26 <xcamel> 'lo Xio

16:31 <PovAddict> &ping

16:31 <Romulus> pong

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16:34 <xcamel> long lo ping?

16:35 <jasong> hmmmm, me?  If, so, then no, since my laptop is fixed, I'm switching back to it

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16:44 <XioNYC> &wx 10010

16:44 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 43.6F / 6.4C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: in / hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tuesday (1 more message)

16:44 <PovAddict> &wx eze

16:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 93°F / 34°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:93 F.; Clear. Low:69 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:93 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:89 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:62 F.;

16:44 <PovAddict> humidity going up (was 19% last I checked)

16:44 <xcamel> of course it's hot down on the butt end of the earth...

16:44 <PovAddict> yeah

16:45 <PovAddict> had multiple power problems

16:45 <PovAddict> UPS purchase cannot be postponed more

16:45 <xcamel> Hey Nic... you have an opportunity...

16:46 <xcamel> suggest a "manual option" for workfetch...

16:46 <PovAddict> there are credits to buy air conditioners, lots of people go buy them, but we don't have enough power generation

16:46 <xcamel> the "just gimme some" option.

16:47 <PovAddict> (there are also credits to buy cars and the roads can't cope with the current amount)

16:47 <PovAddict> xcamel: hmm I should look into that...

16:47 <PovAddict> in theory it shouldn't be hard to literally do what some people asked for, "request 1 sec" button

16:47 <xcamel> you could also call it "force fetch", but that would sound like you're abusing your dog...

16:48 <xcamel> naaah... request cache fill...

16:48 <xcamel> not "one second" - otherwise, why bother?

16:48 <xcamel> I have been doing it the hard way since the wf has been all frakked up..

16:49 <wdsmia_w> request boinc work (as it to work)

16:49 <xcamel> just manually suspend all projects with work in the chache

16:50 <xcamel> when the client runs out of all work, it forces a fill of whatever project(s) are not suspended

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16:52 <xcamel> oops... power out again..

16:52 <wdsmia_w> no new work unless empty would be a nice one also

16:54 <wdsmia_w> well about time to pack up and go home bbiab

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16:55 <PovAddict> internets down

16:55 <PovAddict> adding a manual request function seems relatively simple

16:56 <xcamel> a big, red, "Just fill the damn thing" button...

16:57 <xcamel> or "get out of credit debtor prison" card...

16:57 <CoderForLife> hello

16:57 <xcamel> 'lo CFL

16:57 <CoderForLife> hiya Jay

16:58 <xcamel> all of the boinc devs need to commit themselves to "CHANGE!"

16:58 <xcamel> like.... simplify, simplify, simplify.

16:59 <CoderForLife> I commit my change to credits using Coinstar

16:59 <PovAddict> it should be as simple as posslble, but no simpler

16:59 <CoderForLife> thank you PovEinstein

17:00 <MTughan> Hmm, I think Aqua uses Fortran in their app...

17:02 <PovAddict> hmm

17:02 <xcamel> lol

17:02 <PovAddict> I see two different chunks of code described as "pick best project to fetch work from"

17:02 <xcamel> very interesting...

17:03 <xcamel>

17:03 <Romulus> <> (at

17:03 <xcamel> FDK To Begin Mass Production of High-Capacity Li-Ion Capacitors (2000 Farads!)

17:04 <CoderForLife> wha?  2000 Farads?!

17:04 <PovAddict> don't put your fingers there

17:05 <xcamel> indeed... one seriously burnt digit.

17:05 <CoderForLife> what's the capacitance of the Earth?

17:06 <PovAddict> voltage?

17:06 <xcamel> I remember a capacitor the size of a freight car that was 2 farads, 300,000v

17:06 <jasong> has nip/tuck gone the scifi route?  I just saw a really weird advert

17:06 <PovAddict> that's a lot of volts :)

17:06 <xcamel> Steinmetz labs used it to explode telephone poles.

17:07 <xcamel> ie: lab lightning.

17:07 <CoderForLife>

17:07 <Romulus> <> (at

17:07 <PovAddict> tesla coil PSU

17:08 <PovAddict> nF?

17:09 <MTughan> All I can think of are nanofarads, but that's not that impressive.

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17:10 <PovAddict> exactly

17:10 <PovAddict> the Earth has 700nF? I can hold that on a finger

17:11 <PovAddict> I think I get this code now...

17:11 <CoderForLife> thinking waaaaay back to college physics, I thought it was a couple farads

17:12 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: deflation

17:12 <PovAddict> or is that devaluation... not sure which matches best for analogy

17:13 <xcamel> cfl: crust to core is a huge capacitor - millions of farads

17:13 <PovAddict> here's an interesting one

17:14 <PovAddict> if you suspend a workunit, BOINC won't fetch any more work from that project

17:14 <xcamel> uh-huh

17:14 <jackygrahamez> I'm getting errors on this 64-bit RH5 when I run _autosetup

17:14 <jackygrahamez>

17:14 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

17:15 <PovAddict> that is, if the project has any workunit in suspended-by-user state, BOINC won't get work from it

17:15 <jackygrahamez> Any ideas?

17:15 <xcamel> suspend a project, and boinc will fill empties like a banchee

17:15 <PovAddict> that hit me once...

17:15 <PovAddict> I had PrimeGrid WUs from different sub-projects

17:15 <PovAddict> I suspended one of them, because I wanted to run from the other subproject for the race

17:15 <PovAddict> and then BOINC wouldn't get any more PG work

17:16 <PovAddict> omg

17:16 <jackygrahamez> I should create sub-PrimeGrid

17:16 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: the mess they are doing with translation files has broken compilation

17:16 <xcamel> nail-on-head, POV

17:17 <jackygrahamez> ah thanks I noticed several updates today...I'll give it a day

17:17 <jackygrahamez> or I could also take older versions

17:34 <MTughan> Confirmed, the Aqua app is written entirely in Fortran.

17:35 * CoderForLife programmed a lot in FORTRAN

17:36 <MTughan> Reason I had asked is that they were having trouble getting the app to run on OS X Tiger systems, because they were compiling on a Leopard box. The flags I know work for C and its derivatives, but I have no idea how to do it with Fortran.

17:40 <CoderForLife> GOTO

17:40 <xcamel> couples in retirement homes "do it with Fortran"

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17:40 <CoderForLife> couples in retirement homes "do it with keypunch cards"

17:43 <CoderForLife> and when they do, they Hollerith

17:43 <CoderForLife> bbiab

17:46 <xcamel> indeed...

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17:47 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:47 <PovAddict> ok, 16757 broke compilation

17:47 <PovAddict> I was going to get jack to "update" to 16756 but guess I was too late :)

17:48 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:49 <wdsmia> *lo Jay well I see my ISP is still snafu

18:11 <xcamel> go figure...

18:23 <jasong> I love Sonic drive-through commercials.  it hasn't caused me to buy anything from them, which I guess means they've failed, but their commercials are AWESOME

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18:30 <jasong> karma

18:30 <jasong> hmmm

18:30 <jasong> &karma

18:30 <Romulus> jasong: Error: I have no karma for this channel.

18:31 <PovAddict> &karma xcamel

18:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: xcamel has neutral karma.

18:31 <PovAddict> &karma BOINC

18:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: BOINC has neutral karma.

18:31 <PovAddict> I guess nobody used it

18:31 <PovAddict> &xcamel++

18:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: Are you daft?

18:31 <PovAddict> meh

18:31 * CoderForLife grumbles

18:31 * KathrynM groans

18:32 <CoderForLife> (expletive deleted) NetZero

18:32 <CoderForLife> I had subscribed to NetZero so my sister could have dial Internet access while in the nusring home

18:32 <CoderForLife> I canceled in October

18:32 <jasong> Hey, if I wanted to buy an e-book reader for the sole purpose of being able to own a bunch of programming tutorials without cluttering up my space, are there enough good programming e-books to make that worthwhile?

18:32 <CoderForLife> no billing in November, but now I've gotten charges in December and January

18:33 * CoderForLife grumbles

18:34 <CoderForLife> what's the difference between a programming e-book and a programming book on an e-book reader?

18:34 <CoderForLife> answer: nothing

18:34 <jasong> I know that.  Did I phrase it badly, or are you complaining about redundancy. or...?

18:34 <CoderForLife> do a Kindle and buy a book, or do one of the other e-book readers, imho

18:35 <jasong> Yeah, I'm meaning to buy a reader, but I want to wait until they start making them in color

18:35 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: his question is if there are good enough programming e-books to make the reader worth having

18:35 <PovAddict> jasong: why'd you want color?

18:36 <jasong> because it will make e-magazines look a TON better

18:36 <CoderForLife> the question is, are there programming books good enough - the reader is just a delivery mechanism

18:36 <jasong> true

18:36 <PovAddict> can you get any book in e-book form?

18:37 * KathrynM is waiting for her python books to arrive.

18:37 <CoderForLife> pert much now

18:37 <KathrynM> the dead tree variety.

18:37 <KathrynM> I do better with stuff I can write in.

18:37 <CoderForLife> have you looked at the Amazon Kindle store?

18:37 <CoderForLife> many programming books

18:37 <PovAddict> brb fireworks

18:37 <CoderForLife> which ones would you buy, Kindle or not?

18:38 <jasong> Yes, I have, it's mostly the thing about most readers not being able to display in color that's keeping me from buying a reader

18:38 <CoderForLife> ok, there's a stumbling block

18:38 <jasong> yes, a major one

18:39 <CoderForLife> yup, if color is a requirement, stick with paper books

18:39 <jasong> Well, if there's a decent number of good tutorials, I might actually take the leap

18:39 <PovAddict> missed them

18:39 * CoderForLife <- Kindle owner for about a year

18:39 <jasong> Do you like it?

18:40 <CoderForLife> s'ok - mostly use it for reading on airplanes

18:40 <CoderForLife> no technical reading

18:40 <jasong> Yeah, I have this fear that something better will show up while it'

18:40 <jasong> s still on back order

18:40 * CoderForLife watches the train pass jasong by

18:40 <jasong> lol

18:41 * jasong is afraid a faster train will show up

18:41 * CoderForLife returns to crabbing at NetZero

18:41 * KathrynM returns to pleading with DNS (not that it'll do any good)

18:41 <jasong> I think if I can wait until June or so, much better stuff will be available

18:42 * jasong has a birthday in June

18:43 <PovAddict> o.O

18:44 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #95266 (at

18:44 <CoderForLife> what's it called when you have the credit card company reverse the charges?

18:44 <PovAddict> I recall hearing of "chargeback"

18:44 <KathrynM> yeah, chargeback sounds about right to me

18:44 <CoderForLife> I think you're right

18:44 <CoderForLife> thanks

18:44 <PovAddict> but then I don't even have a credit card

18:46 <jasong> Credit cards are something greedy people get so that they can buy cool stuff, but it makes the long-term value of their labor much less than they realize

18:46 <jasong> I don't think credit should be used for anything except houses and cars

18:46 <CoderForLife> Credit cards is how business is done these days

18:46 <PovAddict> jasong:

18:46 <PovAddict> yeah

18:46 <PovAddict> people who have multiple credit cards and use them to pay each other

18:47 <jasong> True, but if you don't intend to pay it off at the end of the month, you probably think you're more intelligent than you are

18:47 <jasong> oh, sorry, pov

18:47 <jasong> delayed post

18:47 <jasong> lol, now I've accidently insulted CFL

18:47 <jasong> my bad :(

18:47 <jasong> -lol

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18:51 * jasong fears he's killed the mood :(

19:07 * CoderForLife grumbles

19:09 <CoderForLife> here's what I'm reading on Kindle

19:09 <Romulus> <> (at

19:11 <CoderForLife> off to talk to the wife - laterz

19:17 <PovAddict> ok, looks like I can add a manual "fetch X seconds of work from project Y", but I don't know what would happen if you trigger it while the client is doing another project communication

19:17 <PovAddict> undefined behavior :)

19:19 <PovAddict> here we go

19:35 <PovAddict> success (I think :P)

19:37 <PovAddict> xcamel:

19:37 <Romulus> <> (at

19:42 * xcamel wakes from a rip van winkle nap

19:43 <sv2_> PovAddict - hey.. can you recommend a solid/good how to install boinc server guide for fedora/centos?

19:43 <xcamel> where's the big red "Just F'n Fillit!" button?

19:44 <PovAddict> this took me long enough! I've yet to touch any GUI code :)

19:45 <PovAddict> a button saying "just fill the cache" doesn't make much sense though

19:45 <PovAddict> it's what BOINC is supposed to always do

19:45 <xcamel> it would make people happy, and you would be a hero. Would that work for you?

19:46 <PovAddict> what project should it get work from?

19:46 <PovAddict> ^ that decision is what most of the ugly work fetch code is about

19:46 <PovAddict> so what you're asking is "fix the scheduler/workfetch" :) (which I can't do overnight)

19:49 <PovAddict> a "fill the cache" button is like a "stop system from crashing" button... why would it be a button??

19:50 <xcamel> simply, the highlighted selection in the project list... or the <my project> in boinc_cmd

19:51 <xcamel> btw.. I dream in color, and think in GUI

19:52 <xcamel> ps: "stop system from crashing" is a 12lb (5.9 kilo) sledge hammer.

19:53 <Soul_keeper> damnit

19:53 <Soul_keeper> i just lost an AP wu after like 40hrs of work

19:53 <PovAddict> the best way to accelerate a windows PC is at 9.81m/s²

19:54 <Soul_keeper> was almost done, then i "shutdown connected client"  and when i restarted boinc deleted the app and app_info.xml

19:54 <xcamel> pov: that would be a trebuchet.

19:54 <PovAddict> lol

19:54 <Romulus> <> (at

19:55 <Soul_keeper> lol

19:56 <xcamel> one think that has made my 'manual workfetch' much easier is the drag select in boicmanager

19:56 <Soul_keeper> so angry so damn angry

19:56 <xcamel> einstein down or something?

19:58 <Soul_keeper> i hate seti now

19:58 <Soul_keeper> just because of that lost WU

19:58 <Soul_keeper> i'm going to take it personal now

19:59 <Soul_keeper> i had reset  seti beta   apparently boinc reset  seti as well

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20:00 <Soul_keeper> efc, hey !

20:00 <efc> hey

20:02 <Soul_keeper> show me your boincstats link efc

20:02 <efc> i'm sure they're pitiful

20:04 <xcamel> ah.. got some

20:04 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

20:04 <Soul_keeper> show me your boincstats link xcamel :)

20:04 <xcamel> top of

20:05 <xcamel>

20:05 <Romulus> <> (at

20:05 <Soul_keeper>

20:05 <xcamel> why?

20:05 <Soul_keeper> ok got it

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20:16 <MTughan> Holy crap, that's some Vdroop... I set 1.4125V in BIOS, CPU-Z read 1.320V.

20:16 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you gonna catch wdsmia ?

20:16 <Romulus> <> (at

20:17 <Soul_keeper> that's insane

20:17 <wdsmia> :)

20:17 <Soul_keeper> he's averaging like 30K+ a day

20:17 <Soul_keeper> impressive wdsmia

20:18 <MTughan> Maybe with 4 quads OC'd like this one, but not anytime soon...

20:18 <Soul_keeper> you'd need more than that ...

20:18 <Soul_keeper> maybe 8 of them :)

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20:19 <MTughan> That ain't happening anytime soon.

20:19 <xcamel> I've cut back on my boxes, and limited my projects though...

20:21 <MTughan> Still getting ~30K RAC?

20:21 <MTughan> I

20:21 <MTughan> I'll be lucky to get 12K with the quad attached now. Dual gets about 3.5-4K on Linux x64.

20:25 <MTughan> 1.45V set in BIOS now...

20:25 <MTughan> Not that I'd like to set it much higher.

20:29 <MTughan> Well, for the first few minutes at least, this is looking promising.

20:30 <MTughan> Oh, I backed the FSB back down and put the multiplier back up. Testing 3.35GHz.

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20:32 <Soul_keeper> efc, you never gave me your boincstats

20:33 <Soul_keeper> fine

20:34 <MTughan> Ah nuts, BSOD.

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20:38 <MTughan> 1.37 Vcore under load right now.

20:54 <MTughan> Well, up to 75C under one core with P95...

20:55 <MTughan> At least 8C cooler with ABC, so that's fine, but I'm not going any higher on the voltage. 1.376V after Vdroop is enough.

21:09 <sv2_> PovAddict - hey.. can you recommend a solid/good how to install boinc server guide for fedora/centos?

21:09 <xcamel> damn...

21:09 <sv2_> oe anyone for that matter..!! can you recommend a solid/good how to install boinc server guide for fedora/centos?

21:10 <xcamel> ask yoyo...

21:10 <xcamel> when he's here

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21:14 <MTughan> Aiee... 83C, too hot.

21:14 <MTughan> I think my CPU cooler might not be quite on. The heatpipes aren't hot.

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21:22 <quail> &wx ypad

21:23 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 77°F / 25°C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 12:30 PM CST; Clear. High:84 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Chance of Rain. High:73 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 F.; Clear. High:69 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:55 F.;

21:26 <xcamel> 'lo Q

21:33 <xcamel> ip kill >> crawler hax

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21:37 <xcamel> 'lo desti

21:46 <PovAddict> MTughan: water?

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22:02 <MTughan> I'm starting to consider water cooling, yeah...

22:03 <MTughan> Canada just beat Sweden in the WJHC.

22:03 <MTughan> 5-1.

22:05 <PovAddict> consider lowering that clock too

22:05 <PovAddict> would help a lot in cooling down

22:06 <MTughan> I will. I'm just trying a "blend" preset in P95 now, as that'll test more without stressing the proc as much.

22:06 <MTughan> I can hit 3.27GHz with standard voltages though.

22:07 <MTughan> That maxes at 71C with the large load of P95.

22:07 <PovAddict> taking it down to stock speeds would improve my RAC too (when viewed next to yours)

22:08 <MTughan> You wish... :P

22:08 <PovAddict> whats the max temp?

22:08 <MTughan> Maxes about 63C with ABC.

22:09 <PovAddict> I mean max supported before it blows up (or starts automatic protection like underclocking)

22:09 <MTughan> Oh, dunno. It didn't at 83C.

22:10 <PovAddict> P4 apparently can cope 75C... my p4 has always been close to the limit

22:10 <MTughan> I was always around 68C on my P4.

22:10 <PovAddict> atm Im more worried about the hard disk on that computer

22:11 <MTughan> My HDDs are at 16C. xD

22:11 <PovAddict> ... whats the room temperature

22:11 <MTughan> Probably around there, if not slightly warmer.

22:12 <MTughan> Windows's open, -7C outside.

22:13 <PovAddict> my computer room is 28C right now

22:14 <jasong> lol, is that good or bad?

22:14 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't think my heatsink is dissipating as much heat as it could... When the CPU was at 78C, I took a chance and touched some of the heatpipes on the cooler.

22:14 * jasong never learned to tell

22:14 <MTughan> They were cold.

22:14 <PovAddict> anyway the P4 disk reaches 40C loaded; not good

22:15 <jasong> Hey, does anyone know if Terminator and Heroes was on tonight?

22:15 <PovAddict> &math convert 28 C F

22:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 82.4

22:16 <PovAddict> jasong: 82F room

22:16 <jasong> Yeah, that's hot

22:16 <MTughan> &math convert 16 C to F

22:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 60.8

22:16 <MTughan> 61F on the hard disks here, probably a good indicator of ambient.

22:17 <jasong> lol, that's pretty cold

22:17 <PovAddict> I insist: dry ice would be interesting to try

22:18 <PovAddict> water ice of course wouldnt work on a computer

22:18 <jasong> I tried dried ice once, lost a bunch of skin on my tongue...Or is that not what you meant? ;)

22:18 <MTughan> Oil submersion is too expensive an inconvenient for me.

22:18 <PovAddict> what temperature is dry ice at?

22:19 <MTughan> -79C/-109F.

22:19 <MTughan> Wikipedia++

22:19 <PovAddict> oil submerged cooling is crazy...

22:20 <PovAddict> hmm like watercooling was in the past... maybe in the future we'll think it's normal?

22:21 <PovAddict> hmm 79C... seems too cold, could crack stuff from the temperature change (like PCB plastic)

22:21 <sv2_> you really want liquid nitrogen/oxygen...

22:21 <MTughan> Try LN2. IIRC, it's -191C.

22:21 <sv2_> played with it years ago when i worked at nasa....

22:22 <sv2_> fun stuff...

22:22 <MTughan> lol

22:22 <PovAddict> sv2: thats dangerous to handle, and i cant exactly pour it insid a computer case :)

22:22 <sv2_> get a some of that in a styrofoam cup.. throw it in the air!!

22:22 <MTughan> Hmm... How would would LN2 and an IV drip work?

22:23 <sv2_> make sure your fingers don't get too cold!!

22:23 <sv2_> do that until the mgr comes walking by...

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22:23 <sv2_> but back to serious issues...

22:24 <PovAddict> liquid oxygen sounds interesting though, would even improve the room air once it evaporates

22:24 <sv2_> in order to create my own fedora boinc server.. i just download the source.. and build/compile it.. right?

22:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: No smoking.

22:25 <PovAddict> smoking?

22:25 <sv2_> anything else i need to do?

22:25 <MTughan> Oxygen + flame/heat = more fire.

22:26 <PovAddict> download, compile, run make_project script

22:26 <PovAddict> and thats where the fun starts ... -.-

22:28 <PovAddict> MTughan: I cant stand cigarette smoke, so zero chance I'd start smoking

22:28 <MTughan> All right, don't play with matches.

22:29 <PovAddict> nobody in my house smokes (my smom used to, but stopped before even meeting my dad, looong ago)

22:30 <PovAddict> mom*

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22:52 <jasong> My dad used to smoke, he quit because I was badly allergic to it, even his clothes had a bad effect on my breathing

22:52 <jasong> You're killing yourself, didn't make him quit.  You're killing your son, that worked like a charm

22:53 <PovAddict> I once saw an ad about 'passive smoking'

22:54 <jasong> I once saw an ad about Viagra, then I saw it again, and again, and again...

22:54 <jasong> YYKWIM?

22:54 <jasong> oops

22:54 <jasong> YKWIM?

22:55 <PovAddict> very exaggerated, showed a woman smoking and feeding her 2 year old kid at the same time

22:55 <jasong> I saw an ad where a fetus was smoking

22:55 <jasong> That was kind of gross, for more than one reason

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