00:10 <Soul_keeper> I CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE !!!
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01:02 <MTughan> I can't seem to make my processor stable at 3.35GHz, although I haven't really tried yet.
01:03 <MTughan> 3.27 is stable, I'm testing a much higher FSB with a slightly lower multipler, 3.05GHz.
01:03 <Soul_keeper> which CPU ?
01:04 <MTughan> C2Q Q6600.
01:04 <MTughan> BSOD's on me.
01:04 <Soul_keeper> that's 65nm right ?
01:04 <MTughan> Yes.
01:05 <MTughan> I haven't played with the voltages yet, so that'll be my next step.
01:05 <Soul_keeper> my dual core allendales both maxed out at 3GHz even
01:05 <Soul_keeper> my 45nm q9450 maxes out at 3.3GHz
01:05 <MTughan> I'd liken this processor to a Conroe rather than an Allendale.
01:05 <Soul_keeper> it's likely a heat issue, raising the voltage can hinder the oc
01:06 <MTughan> I know.
01:06 <Soul_keeper> liken it to whatever you want
01:07 <Soul_keeper> 3.2GHz was my max during the summer, 3.3 during the winter :)
01:08 <MTughan> It's a little chiller in here right now, hottest core is at 66C under Prime95.
01:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm at 57C on my q9450 right now, full load under boinc
01:10 <Soul_keeper> 63C on my allendale
01:10 <MTughan> I find BOINC runs 10C cooler than Prime95, at least with ABC.
01:11 <MTughan> So I'm figuring my max temp is somewhere around 75C.
01:11 <Soul_keeper> in my experience they get unstable in the mid 60's
01:11 <MTughan> 3.27 was running at 70-71C.
01:11 <Soul_keeper> that's crazy
01:11 <Soul_keeper> i've pushed mine up to 74C before
01:12 <Soul_keeper> think i was trying for 3.4 then or something
01:13 <MTughan> I did attempt a 3.42GHz clock. That didn't last long after I started Prime95. :)
01:13 <Soul_keeper> you could probably hit 3.6 on default voltage with extreme cooling i bet
01:14 <Soul_keeper> i hear of people running at 3.8 on forums
01:14 <Soul_keeper> likely below ambient cooling tho
01:14 <MTughan> Probably. As it is, I think I could get somewhat better temps with a reapplication of the thermal paste and pointing the cooler up/down.
01:15 <Soul_keeper> once the thermal paste settles for a few days it operates at it's best
01:15 <MTughan> In the Antec Nine Hundred, I have that big fan on top that's blowing mostly cool air ATM. It'd probably offer better cooling than the 120mm.
01:16 <MTughan> I can actually give you the exact date I started stressing the comp... Dec 26.
01:16 <Soul_keeper> fun
01:16 <MTughan> I attached to ABC and let it run for 24 hours to start off the process. :D
01:17 <MTughan> Yeow... -9C out there, I have the window open.
01:19 <MTughan> What cooler do you use anyway?
01:19 <MTughan> I'm thinking if I'm going to do any more spending on this comp soon, it'll be to either up the RAM to 8GB or replace the CPU cooler.
01:20 <Soul_keeper> i'm loving my new vid card :)
01:20 <Soul_keeper> mem is high on my list also tho
01:20 <MTughan> What vid card?
01:21 <Soul_keeper> gf 9800GT
01:21 <MTughan> Heh, just looked at the clock on this laptop... 2.53GHz seems paltry now. :D
01:21 <MTughan> BOINCing on it?
01:21 <Soul_keeper> yes
01:21 <MTughan> How did I know... :P
01:21 <Soul_keeper> still kinda early to tell, but it looks like it's doubled my RAC
01:22 <MTughan> Nice!
01:22 <Soul_keeper> not bad for 120 bucks :)
01:22 <MTughan> I'm hoping AI comes out with their ATI app soon... I like the gaming aspect of a 4870, but not much to BOINC ATM.
01:22 <MTughan> I only have one game that can really push the GPU though, and it's only on a 1440x900 screen too.
01:23 <Soul_keeper> yeah
01:23 <Soul_keeper> i think we might have to wait for opencl to come out before things really heat up
01:23 <MTughan> More than likely.
01:24 <MTughan> I'm just wondering if it'll be supported on the current cards, or only on newer cards too.
01:24 <Soul_keeper> hopefully it'll be the same cutoff point
01:24 <Soul_keeper> ati 4xxx series and nv 8xxx series and up
01:25 <MTughan> You mean for CUDA and Brook+?
01:25 <Soul_keeper> yeah
01:25 <Soul_keeper> should be the same for opencl i'd think
01:26 <MTughan> I hope so. Otherwise, not much use for my 4870, or your 9800.
01:26 <Soul_keeper> but there is a lot of beurocracy with standards bodies that have dozens of members so i'd expect it to take a long time
01:26 <Soul_keeper> i've got a radeon 3870 but i don't think it'll be supported
01:26 <MTughan> I don't think my 3470 will be either.
01:28 * efc VGAWonder :(
01:29 <Soul_keeper> i think folding@home was working on the 3xxx gpu's there for awhile just in windows, it's not thru boinc tho so i dunno
01:29 <MTughan> Yeah, I had it running for a bit, tried alongside BOINC.
01:29 <MTughan> Needed a CPU to do it though, wasn't worth it.
01:30 <Soul_keeper> i think the folding@home guys hate boinc, that's the impression i got on their forums after reading a few threads
01:30 <MTughan> Heh.
01:30 <MTughan> I don't know if I blame them.
01:31 <Soul_keeper> well i hate them :)
01:31 <Soul_keeper> i like boinc
01:33 <Soul_keeper> just gotta plot the data now
01:33 <Soul_keeper> your data is in there
01:58 <efc> yep, i owe the *$#@ feds more money
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03:25 <CoderForLife> &more
03:25 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the evening...then partly cloudy with a slight chance of freezing rain after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.;
03:27 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast-something-or-other
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03:39 <CoderForLife> b
03:46 <Tidus> note to self... vista + 2gb ram + enough items open to cause a single line taskbar to be reduced to icons and maybe 3 letters = pegged hard drive light...
03:47 <CoderForLife> note to self P.S.: avoid Vista like the Bubonic Plague
03:47 <Tidus> i can't
03:47 <Tidus> got a couple games that require it :(
03:47 <CoderForLife> thou art doomed
03:47 <Tidus> plus it's the only legit copy of windows i have
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03:59 <Soul_keeper> nothing ever changes in #perl
03:59 <Soul_keeper> can't ask for ANY help at all
04:00 <CoderForLife> There's More Than One Way To Do It
04:00 <Soul_keeper> nothing like spending 5hrs trying to put some data into a db or array
04:00 <Soul_keeper> then asking for a little help and they just belittle you and tell you to RTFM
04:01 <CoderForLife> yeah, I've been really slammed in #perl
04:01 <Soul_keeper> i spent 2 days coding nonstop and didn't ask for a lick of help
04:01 <Soul_keeper> go in there for a few minutes and they jump on me
04:01 <Soul_keeper> i really hate life
04:02 <Soul_keeper> it's amazing how unclear the official doc/tutorials can be
04:02 <Soul_keeper> without examples it's all worthless
04:02 <CoderForLife> #perl is no reflective of #life
04:02 <CoderForLife> er not
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04:03 <Soul_keeper> my whole life is a mess i can't wait till i check out
04:03 <Soul_keeper> i spend all day coding, just wanting to accomplish one damn thing, then it's 1am and i'm still a failure
04:04 <CoderForLife> Coding can be rewarding like that, sometimes
04:05 <Soul_keeper> i just don't understand why they make it so difficult
04:06 <CoderForLife> do you have them in an array?
04:06 <Soul_keeper> can't figure out how to do that either
04:06 <CoderForLife> look at the split function in perl
04:06 <Soul_keeper> i can open the file, then sit there for several hours getting nowhere
04:06 <Romulus> Title: Paste #34218 from "Soul_keeper" at 22.214.171.124 (at sial.org)
04:08 <CoderForLife> um - I see several issues
04:08 <CoderForLife> open FILE1 then while <FILE>
04:09 <CoderForLife> shouldn't the while refer to FILE1?
04:09 <Soul_keeper> yes thanks
04:09 <CoderForLife> next, if you have more than one line in FILE1, stats_db will be overwritten with each line
04:10 <CoderForLife> might not be a problem in your case
04:11 <Soul_keeper> it's all on one line
04:11 <CoderForLife> see example 1 at http://perlmeme.org/howtos/perlfunc/split_function.html
04:13 <CoderForLife> read your line into $data, then split it into @values, then use foreach loop to print them
04:13 <CoderForLife> get that to work before worrying about the database access
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04:15 <Soul_keeper> my problem seems to lie in getting the output from the text file it seems
04:17 <CoderForLife> I'm working on it - give me a sec
04:22 <Romulus> Title: Paste #34219 from "CodeForLife" at 126.96.36.199 (at sial.org)
04:23 <CoderForLife> note that your data begins with a space; shouldn't hurt anything, I'm thinking
04:24 <Soul_keeper> i'm still getting an odd error
04:24 <CoderForLife> basically needed to use the @ operator to specify array
04:26 <CoderForLife> what error?
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04:28 <Soul_keeper> Global symbol "@stats_db" requires explicit package name at ./race3.pl line 18.
04:29 <CoderForLife> disregard my space comment - only looked like it on the web page
04:29 <CoderForLife> line 18?
04:30 <Romulus> Title: Paste #34220 from "Soul_keeper" at 188.8.131.52 (at sial.org)
04:30 <CoderForLife> before the open FILE1, try putting "my @stats_db;"
04:30 <CoderForLife> ah "I hate "use strict;"
04:31 <Soul_keeper> tryed that same issue
04:31 <CoderForLife> comment out strict and warnings
04:31 <Soul_keeper> ok it appears strict was the problem :)
04:31 <CoderForLife> I am not a strict Perl Coder =)
04:31 <Soul_keeper> works now
04:31 <CoderForLife> cool =)
04:32 <Soul_keeper> i still got a lot of work ahead of me on this one, but i think this calls for a break
04:32 <CoderForLife> OK HTH
04:32 <CoderForLife> good luck
04:32 <Soul_keeper> maybe some sleep, thanks
04:37 <CoderForLife> bbiab
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05:25 <CoderForLife> need to gather my things and head off to w@#%
05:25 <CoderForLife> laterz
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06:38 <hawmps> ip kills 184.108.40.206, 220.127.116.11, 18.104.22.168, 22.214.171.124, 126.96.36.199, 188.8.131.52
06:38 <hawmps> also 184.108.40.206
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07:47 <Soul_keeper> that's the culmination of 2 days worth of work ... lol
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08:02 <CoderForLife> omg hawmps - you under attack?
08:02 <hawmps> just catching up...
08:04 <CoderForLife> you need to ask for the quantity discount
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08:07 * CoderForLife notices that suddenly he's been volunteered to be in a race
08:07 <Soul_keeper> hahaha
08:08 <Soul_keeper> FreeLarry58 mopped the floor with us all
08:10 <CoderForLife> I haven't raced since E-30 whooped up on me in QMC
08:13 <Soul_keeper> maybe we'll have to start a race, that chart was just the last 30 days pulled from boincstats
08:13 <Soul_keeper> something updated daily would be interesting
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08:25 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, we need to find someone slower tho :)
08:36 <Romulus> Title: Federico Razzoli (at federico.razzoli.com)
08:38 <Soul_keeper> that's impressive how he talked about already having ported gcc and the filesystem
08:38 <Soul_keeper> either it was nothing to him or he's very humble
08:43 <CoderForLife> maybe I need to power on some of my machines that I took offline due to the electric bill
08:49 <Soul_keeper> nah don't waist electricity
08:50 <Soul_keeper> can still do things efficiently :)
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10:49 <sv2_> morning..
10:49 <jackygrahamez> hi
10:50 <sv2_> got a couple of questions... looking for a possible framework for a distributed application/process.. and wanted to talk to someone who's knowlegable about boinc..
10:51 <jackygrahamez> shoot
10:51 <sv2_> thanks...
10:52 <sv2_> i'm considering a crawler kind of app... i'll have a separate script for each site i crawl...
10:52 <sv2_> i'll have ~5000 of these scripts...
10:52 <sv2_> i'd like a process that allows me to submit these scripts to the given client servers in my network...
10:53 <sv2_> as well as the ability to monitor the overall health of the apps/systems/etc...
10:53 <PovAdct_w> BOINC isn't really made to send a specific thing to a specific client
10:53 <sv2_> eventually, i'll think about running all of this on the amazon ec2 cloud system..
10:54 <sv2_> does boinc allow me to send the 'next' thing to the 'next available/ready' client?
10:54 <PovAdct_w> boinc lets you put a bunch of stuff in the "work to do" queue, then clients grab from it
10:55 <sv2_> ok.. so it's a client pull mechanism...
10:55 <PovAdct_w> yes, clients never open any ports
10:55 <jackygrahamez> I wrote some code that submits to specific clients that I own and later David added a little code built in to create workunits for specific clients
10:55 <PovAdct_w> clients do HTTP requests to the server asking for work
10:56 <sv2_> hmm.. if clients don't open ports.. how do they download the 'work' to be run on the client box..
10:56 <sv2_> got it....
10:56 <PovAdct_w> same way your web browser does
10:56 <sv2_> so the client does open a port.. just a basic http port..
10:56 <PovAdct_w> not a listening port
10:56 <PovAdct_w> it's an outgoing connection
10:56 <sv2_> right..
10:57 <sv2_> hmm..
10:57 <PovAdct_w> in your case you control all the clients, right?
10:58 <sv2_> so i could have a boinc client.. fire back to the server.. get the next work app...
10:58 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - yes...
10:58 <PovAdct_w> that is, they're all computers under your control?
10:58 <sv2_> yes..
10:58 <PovAdct_w> then you could force all clients to immediately request work after you add it to the queue
10:58 <PovAdct_w> usually, you'd have to wait for clients to do their periodic connection
10:59 <sv2_> the boinc client, running on the client machine, will be an app i create/modify, based on a boinc template, yes/no?
10:59 <PovAdct_w> no
10:59 <PovAdct_w> the boinc client contacts the server, downloads your app, runs it, returns result, fetches more work
10:59 <PovAdct_w> decides what project to run next
10:59 <PovAdct_w> etc
11:00 <sv2_> got it... that's what i wanted to hear!!
11:00 <PovAdct_w> your app uses mostly network?
11:01 <PovAdct_w> any app that doesn't keep the CPU at 100% while it runs isn't exactly a "typical" BOINC app (but there are still mechanisms to handle that)
11:02 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - it will... in the crawling phase.. a lot of http gets/page fetches/parsing of data.. i'll be having abuch of data returned in a datafile, to be sent back to the boinc master..
11:02 <sv2_> i assume i can have multiple boinc clients on a single client box..
11:03 <sv2_> does boinc provide monitoring functionality.. to monitor the overall health/status of the various client systems..
11:03 <PovAdct_w> yes
11:04 <PovAdct_w> the user interface is on a separate program, talking over TCP to the client
11:04 <sv2_> ok....
11:04 <PovAdct_w> you can make your own program / scripts that uses the same protocol to control *all* the clients
11:04 <PovAdct_w> and, for example, force them to contact the server immediately
11:04 <sv2_> now... is there someone i could talk to on the phone about what i'm considering...
11:04 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - are you in the US/Canada?
11:05 <PovAdct_w> btw, there's usually no point in running multiple clients in the same computer, and it may cause problems if you do
11:05 <sv2_> what kind of issues?
11:05 <jackygrahamez> Yeah I was wondering about that
11:05 <PovAdct_w> I'm in Argentina and my spoken English is nowhere as good as my written English ;)
11:06 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - can i email you what i'm considering in more detail..
11:06 <PovAdct_w> well, for example, they'd all try to use the same port number for the "GUI control"
11:07 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: I sent you my email address on a private message
11:08 <PovAdct_w> ok, back in an hour or so
11:08 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - let me back up a second... you said i can have a single boinc client running..
11:08 * PovAdct_w hits breaks
11:08 <sv2_> but i'm assuming i can force the client to keep gettting additional working client apps.../
11:08 <PovAdct_w> yes, it's best if you run one boinc client per computer
11:09 <jackygrahamez> Are these multicore computers?
11:09 <sv2_> so i can have multiple numbers of my client apps running.. on a given client server?
11:09 <PovAdct_w> the client may be running multiple apps at the same time though
11:09 <PovAdct_w> for example, it would run two CPU intensive apps on a dualcore
11:09 <sv2_> right... no prob...
11:10 <sv2_> i'm assuming that boinc allows the client app to send back data on the client server resources..
11:10 <jackygrahamez> yes
11:10 <jackygrahamez> I test my apps on my server sometimes
11:11 <PovAdct_w> support for network apps (that don't use CPU) isn't quite good, and BOINC developers kind of don't care about improving it (long story, let's just say getting GPUs supported quick gets them funding, even if they lose flexibility in the process)
11:11 <sv2_> cool..
11:11 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: apps create output files, when the app finishes, boinc uploads those files
11:12 <PovAdct_w> usually it's just one file though
11:12 <sv2_> so i'm also assuming that i can restrict a boinc client from requesting new work, if it's resources are already beyond some limit..
11:12 <PovAdct_w> (projects that need to upload a lot of files just make the app put them in a .zip on completion :P)
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11:13 <sv2_> right...
11:13 <sv2_> but i'll have a single file for each run of work..
11:13 <PovAdct_w> ok, now leaving for real
11:13 <sv2_> i'll put this in am email to you!
11:13 <sv2_> thanks!!
11:13 <PovAdct_w> back in an hour as PovAddict :P
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11:27 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 48.3°F / 9.1°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 40s. Northwest winds around 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of rain and sleet after midnight. Lows in the lower 30s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of (1 more message)
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11:27 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: precipitation 20 percent.; Tuesday - Cloudy. A chance of rain and sleet in the morning...then rain and sleet in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.;
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11:33 <BadBarbarian> wow theres an OP today lol 'lo Hawmps
11:33 <MTughan_> Heh. He's been op for a while now IIRC.
11:36 *** hawmps sets mode: -o hawmps
11:36 <hawmps> lol
11:37 <MTughan_> 'lo Dogu
11:37 <MTughan_> Doug*
11:41 <wdsmia_w> *lo MT
11:41 <hawmps> 'lo Mike, Doug
11:41 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay
11:42 <wdsmia_w> *lo Johnboy
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12:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
12:05 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 16Â°F / -9Â°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1025hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 5:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:26 ° F.; Clear. Low:13 ° F.; Clear. High:22 ° F.; Clear. Low:13 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:15 ° F.;
12:06 <sv2_> where the heck is sxf?
12:06 <yoyo[RKN]> Berlin
12:07 <sv2_> cold!
12:07 <yoyo[RKN]> jup
12:09 <MTughan_> &airport sxf
12:09 <Romulus> MTughan_: Berlin - Schoenefeld, Germany
12:10 <yoyo[RKN]> and will be colder in the next hours
12:11 <MTughan_> &wx yow
12:11 <Romulus> MTughan_: Temperature: 23Â°F / -5Â°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Light Snow Showers | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 12:00 PM EST; Today - Cloudy with sunny periods. 60 percent chance of flurries early this afternoon. High -4C(24F).; Tonight - Cloudy. 40 percent chance of flurries overnight. Low -10C(14F).; Tuesday - Cloudy. 40 percent (1 more message)
12:11 <MTughan_> Yep, you're a bit colder.
12:12 <yoyo[RKN]> &airport yow
12:12 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Ottawa - Hull, Canada
12:12 <MTughan_> Not that either is particularly warm.
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12:13 <MTughan_> I never really liked Ottawa's airport code. I just think they named it because they though people'd be going "Yow!" :P
12:14 <sv2_> give me florida/texas!!
12:14 <sv2_> the beach baby!!
12:14 <MTughan_> Naw, I like the cold. Makes for good overclocking. :D
12:14 <Soul_keeper> no comment on my chart MTughan ? :/
12:14 <MTughan_> I didn't see much of a chart.
12:14 <MTughan_> Link again?
12:15 <sv2_> PovAddict - you back yet??
12:15 <MTughan_> Ah, the lines weren't in it when I viewed it last night.
12:15 <Soul_keeper> :)
12:16 <MTughan_> When's the period for that? IE, when did you start and end?
12:16 <MTughan_> Ah, date's on there...
12:17 <MTughan_> Looks cool. Should look better when I have full res too...
12:17 <Soul_keeper> i could make it cleaner
12:17 <MTughan_> Working with 1280x1024 ATM.
12:17 <Soul_keeper> ahh
12:18 <MTughan_> Odd, I thought it was actually 1024x768 before, but whatever... 1440x900 should do that image some more justice.
12:18 <MTughan_> Anyway, nice image.
12:18 <Soul_keeper> yeah it's 1000x2500
12:18 <MTughan_> Care to include Pov?
12:19 <Soul_keeper> sure if i get his boincstats id or crossproject id
12:19 <MTughan_> One sec, I'll pull it up...
12:23 <Soul_keeper> ok i'll mess with it later
12:25 <MTughan_> All right, I'm heading "home", after some lunch... bbl
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12:39 <Niklas_E> is there anyway to reconfigure "boinc when you have installed it?
12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> a user has this problem in a wu: Incorrect function. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)
12:48 <hawmps> not really
12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> what does it mean?
12:48 <yoyo[RKN]> the app called a incorrect boinc function?
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13:04 <Niklas_E> Anyone know how to make setiathome work on gentoo? How do I install it?
13:06 <MTughan> Shouldn
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13:06 <MTughan> ..'t be any installing for SETI. If you get BOINC running and attach your machine to SETI, it should work automatically.
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13:07 <Niklas_E> would 6.2.15 work?
13:07 <Niklas_E> of boinc
13:07 <MTughan> Should. What are you trying now?
13:08 <Niklas_E> tried that but said something about wrong version
13:08 <MTughan> Do you have the specific error message?
13:09 <Soul_keeper> the seti devs seem to like 6.4.5
13:10 <Niklas_E> lets see,
13:10 <Soul_keeper> i'm using 6.5.0 but others have said there are bugs in this version
13:11 <MTughan> I'm running 6.2.19.
13:11 <Niklas_E> mån 5 jan 2009 18.54.02|SETI@home|Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a version of Astropulse.
13:11 <MTughan> Your app_info... Do you know where the project data files are?
13:11 <Soul_keeper> did you try resetting the project ?
13:12 <Niklas_E> nope,
13:12 <Niklas_E> doesn't know you could do that
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13:12 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: IIRC, resetting doesn't delete an app_info.
13:14 <MTughan> Yeow, this is one hot chip... Running with a higher FSB and lower multiplier, core 1 is steady at 77C.
13:14 <MTughan> I got 71 with a lower FSB and higher multiplier, and a higher final clock.
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13:17 <MTughan> One thing: will the higher multiplier just result in possibly higher memory speeds? Any use going with it over the lower FSB for BOINC?
13:18 <Soul_keeper> lower mult should translate to higher mem speeds, higher fsb speeds
13:18 <Soul_keeper> overall faster system
13:18 <MTughan> Yep, I'm just below a 1600MHz FSB now.
13:18 <Soul_keeper> that core temp is dangerous tho imo
13:18 <MTughan> I know...
13:19 <MTughan> Previous clock, 40MHz lower had the same temp.
13:19 <MTughan> I'm wondering if I should stick with the lower FSB and higher multiplier?
13:19 <Soul_keeper> well with a higher fsb, you could drop the core clock lower and still get the same or better performance
13:19 <MTughan> I definitely wouldn't up the voltage right now.
13:20 <MTughan> What does the multiplier do in terms of how a processor calculates anyway? Any idea?
13:20 <Soul_keeper> if you do got with the higher mult, then run the memory slow with the tightest timings you can
13:21 <Soul_keeper> it's basically fsb x mult = cpu freq
13:21 <MTughan> I know, but I'm wondering what effect it has.
13:21 <Soul_keeper> and mem dividers are basically a multiple/fraction of fsb also
13:21 <Soul_keeper> but the way they calculate things with HT and quad/dual pumped stuff you gotta look things up
13:22 <Soul_keeper> just a math equation
13:24 <jackygrahamez> I'm back
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13:25 <Soul_keeper> everything used to be multiples of the 33MHz pci bus but i think that's all independent now
13:25 <yoyo[RKN]> wb jackygrahamez
13:27 <jackygrahamez> Hi yoy[RKN] I heard somewhere you may be writing a book?
13:28 <yoyo[RKN]> yes, it is mainly finished and will be published soon
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13:37 <MTughan> I'm wondering if I should try to push the FSB higher and lower the multiplier again...
13:38 <Soul_keeper> depends what your motherboard/mem can handle
13:38 <Soul_keeper> you'll have start messing with voltages/timings
13:38 <MTughan> I'm more than likely not going to be able to run 1:1 FSB:RAM.
13:38 <MTughan> That would require pushing the FSB to 2132MHz overall.
13:38 <Soul_keeper> could corrupt your bios if you got a cheesy motherboard
13:39 <MTughan> It's an Asus P5Q-E, P45 chipset.
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13:39 <Soul_keeper> nice
13:41 <PovAddict> damn
13:41 <PovAddict> came back to find the computer screen black and blinking screen LED
13:42 <PovAddict> not even the ttys worked
13:42 <PovAddict> dunno what I'd do without my jailbroken iPod touch
13:42 <PovAddict> I ssh'd to this machine and checked dmesg
13:42 <PovAddict> sure enough... NVRM: Xid (0001:00): 16, Head 00000000 Count 00f192c1
13:43 <PovAddict> same stupid error I have been getting around once a month, along with this screen symptom (and X using all CPU)
13:44 <Soul_keeper> NVRM shoulds like part of the nvidia driver
13:44 <PovAddict> yup
13:44 <PovAddict> as a sidenote, switching between IRC via mibbit.com and using ssh on the Terminal app on the iPod touch is... crap
13:44 <PovAddict> often I went to ssh, checked something, went back to the browser
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13:49 <PovAddict_> DAMN THE WORLD
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13:49 <PovAddict> as soon as I got everything booted up again, I got one of those split-second power outages
13:50 <PovAddict> shuts computer down but leaves it in a confused state
13:50 <PovAddict> power led still on
13:50 <PovAddict> power button does nothing
13:50 <PovAddict> I have to turn off the power strip for a few seconds
13:57 <sv2_> not cool PovAddict!!
13:58 <jackygrahamez> I power my computer with attitude
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14:01 <PovAddict> I need a UPS
14:01 <PovAddict> or
14:01 <PovAddict> a generator connected to a bike
14:02 <PovAddict> would be good so I get some exercise
14:02 <MTughan> You'd still probably want a battery to at least store the power so you don't have to predict outages.
14:03 <sv2_> PovAddict - is this for a single machine... or would the ups handle multiple boxes?
14:03 <sv2_> PovAddict - oh.. did you get my email?
14:03 <PovAddict> single machine + router + modem
14:03 <PovAddict> I did
14:03 <PovAddict> didn't read it yet
14:03 <PovAddict> I only just got my computer to show something on screen remember :)
14:03 <sv2_> yeah..!! i know that feeling!
14:03 <MTughan> Big flakes of snow falling...
14:04 <PovAddict> MTughan: xkcd relevant :]
14:04 <PovAddict> &wx eze
14:04 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 94Â°F / 34Â°C | Humidity: 19% | Pressure: 29.81in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:93 ° F.; Clear. Low:69 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:93 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. High:89 ° F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:62 ° F.;
14:04 <MTughan> Ah, the metric conversions? xD
14:04 <PovAddict> humidity seems low
14:04 <MTughan> 140km/h: raptor on hoverboard
14:05 <PovAddict> 200kg: your mom
14:05 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
14:05 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 14Â°F / -10Â°C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Clear. High:24 ° F.; Clear. Low:13 ° F.; Clear. High:22 ° F.; Clear. Low:13 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:15 ° F.;
14:05 <MTughan> 220kg: your mom (including cheap jewelery)
14:05 <MTughan> 223kg: your mom (also including makeup)
14:06 <MTughan> -40C: Spit goes "clink" xD
14:07 <PovAddict> thankfully I've never seen that happen
14:07 <MTughan> Well, 408MHz FSB (1624MHz quad-pumped) with a 7x mult, seems to level out at 70-71C.
14:07 <MTughan> &math 266 * 2
14:07 <Romulus> MTughan: 532
14:07 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to double the default FSB...
14:08 <MTughan> I'm looking at getting a new cooler though, hopefully then I can push higher. Looking at a Xigmatek S1263 (or something like that, don't remember exact).
14:09 <MTughan> S1283, my bad.
14:30 <jackygrahamez> What's a good irc client on linux
14:30 * XioNYC is back (gone 01:18:12)
14:30 <jackygrahamez> ?
14:31 <PovAddict> I use Konversation
14:31 <jackygrahamez> RH5
14:31 <PovAddict> just because it came with KDE
14:31 <PovAddict> didn't bother looking much
14:33 <jackygrahamez> Are there any issues with creating a BOINC server on a 64-bit server?
14:34 <PovAddict> I'd guess *most* are 64-bit for performance reasons...
14:34 <PovAddict> using a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit server is a waste, and all fast CPUs are 64-bit nowadays
14:34 <jackygrahamez> That's what I was hoping
14:34 <PovAddict> for the BOINC server itself, 64-bit doesn't really matter; but the database server (MySQL) would surely benefit
14:35 <PovAddict> (database server meaning mysqld, I'm not implying you'd use separate physical servers)
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14:36 <jackygrahamez> I'm just having a little trouble right now with the _autosetup
14:36 <PovAddict> XioNYC: please make your auto-away set you as 'away' without sending any message to the channel...
14:36 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: ah, errors on first step, fun :)
14:36 <jackygrahamez> :-)
14:37 <PovAddict> brb attacking fridge
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14:45 <hawmps> cripes... ip kill >> 220.127.116.11
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15:00 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - thanks for the reply.. sent you a re-reply!
15:01 <Sidde> hi. got a hopfully quick question. i've just installed boinc_client and attached to the seti project with my setikey. But no work gets downloaded
15:03 <jackygrahamez> I just got your message
15:03 <jackygrahamez> I'll write back
15:07 <FreeLarry58> yuck the commute home last night was hairy. slid all the way under and past a tree that fell across highway
15:07 <FreeLarry58> lucky me only a scratch on the hood of the car
15:07 <hawmps> luckt indeed.
15:07 <hawmps> er lucky even..
15:08 <FreeLarry58> yah i stopped by a snowplow that was on side checking his equipment so it could get radioed in
15:08 <FreeLarry58> 6 inches last night. mostly melted now but probably will be icy for tonight also
15:09 <hawmps> My brother hit one head on and damn near took the plow right off his truck.
15:09 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - cool, thanks... are you int the US/Canada?
15:09 <FreeLarry58> after looking at the plow on the freeway that isn't something i want to try
15:12 <hawmps> not fun
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15:13 <FreeLarry58> well time for dailies and get ready to commute again
15:13 <FreeLarry58> tca
15:13 <hawmps> watch for down trees...
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15:51 <PovAddict> I've never had so many problems in the same day
15:53 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
15:53 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 10Â°F / -12Â°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CET; Clear. High:24 ° F.; Clear. Low:13 ° F.; Clear. High:22 ° F.; Clear. Low:13 ° F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:15 ° F.;
15:54 <yoyo[RKN]> gets colder and colder
15:55 <xcamel> got up to the mid 30's here..
15:55 <xcamel> turned out to be a fairly nice day...
16:14 <xcamel> &wx 12074
16:14 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 30.3°F / -0.9°C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 29.99in / 1015.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then clearing. The low around 16. West winds 10 to 15 mph...diminishing to around 5 mph after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. The high around 30. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night (1 more message)
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16:17 <xcamel> &more
16:17 <Romulus> xcamel: - Snow likely in the evening...then snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 3 to 6 inches. The low in the mid 20s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 08, 2009;
16:19 <xcamel> that aint gonna be pretty.
16:22 <xcamel> Bog slug of yuk getting its act together down in Louisiana...
16:22 <xcamel> big even...
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16:26 <xcamel> 'lo Xio
16:31 <PovAddict> &ping
16:31 <Romulus> pong
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16:34 <xcamel> long lo ping?
16:35 <jasong> hmmmm, me? If, so, then no, since my laptop is fixed, I'm switching back to it
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16:44 <XioNYC> &wx 10010
16:44 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 43.6°F / 6.4°C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: in / hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain and snow in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tuesday (1 more message)
16:44 <PovAddict> &wx eze
16:44 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 93Â°F / 34Â°C | Humidity: 26% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:93 ° F.; Clear. Low:69 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:93 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:68 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. High:89 ° F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:62 ° F.;
16:44 <PovAddict> humidity going up (was 19% last I checked)
16:44 <xcamel> of course it's hot down on the butt end of the earth...
16:44 <PovAddict> yeah
16:45 <PovAddict> had multiple power problems
16:45 <PovAddict> UPS purchase cannot be postponed more
16:45 <xcamel> Hey Nic... you have an opportunity...
16:46 <xcamel> suggest a "manual option" for workfetch...
16:46 <PovAddict> there are credits to buy air conditioners, lots of people go buy them, but we don't have enough power generation
16:46 <xcamel> the "just gimme some" option.
16:47 <PovAddict> (there are also credits to buy cars and the roads can't cope with the current amount)
16:47 <PovAddict> xcamel: hmm I should look into that...
16:47 <PovAddict> in theory it shouldn't be hard to literally do what some people asked for, "request 1 sec" button
16:47 <xcamel> you could also call it "force fetch", but that would sound like you're abusing your dog...
16:48 <xcamel> naaah... request cache fill...
16:48 <xcamel> not "one second" - otherwise, why bother?
16:48 <xcamel> I have been doing it the hard way since the wf has been all frakked up..
16:49 <wdsmia_w> request boinc work (as it to work)
16:49 <xcamel> just manually suspend all projects with work in the chache
16:50 <xcamel> when the client runs out of all work, it forces a fill of whatever project(s) are not suspended
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16:52 <xcamel> oops... power out again..
16:52 <wdsmia_w> no new work unless empty would be a nice one also
16:54 <wdsmia_w> well about time to pack up and go home bbiab
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16:55 <PovAddict> internets down
16:55 <PovAddict> adding a manual request function seems relatively simple
16:56 <xcamel> a big, red, "Just fill the damn thing" button...
16:57 <xcamel> or "get out of credit debtor prison" card...
16:57 <CoderForLife> hello
16:57 <xcamel> 'lo CFL
16:57 <CoderForLife> hiya Jay
16:58 <xcamel> all of the boinc devs need to commit themselves to "CHANGE!"
16:58 <xcamel> like.... simplify, simplify, simplify.
16:59 <CoderForLife> I commit my change to Amazon.com credits using Coinstar
16:59 <PovAddict> it should be as simple as posslble, but no simpler
16:59 <CoderForLife> thank you PovEinstein
17:00 <MTughan> Hmm, I think Aqua uses Fortran in their app...
17:02 <PovAddict> hmm
17:02 <xcamel> lol
17:02 <PovAddict> I see two different chunks of code described as "pick best project to fetch work from"
17:02 <xcamel> very interesting...
17:03 <xcamel> FDK To Begin Mass Production of High-Capacity Li-Ion Capacitors (2000 Farads!)
17:04 <CoderForLife> wha? 2000 Farads?!
17:04 <PovAddict> don't put your fingers there
17:05 <xcamel> indeed... one seriously burnt digit.
17:05 <CoderForLife> what's the capacitance of the Earth?
17:06 <PovAddict> voltage?
17:06 <xcamel> I remember a capacitor the size of a freight car that was 2 farads, 300,000v
17:06 <jasong> has nip/tuck gone the scifi route? I just saw a really weird advert
17:06 <PovAddict> that's a lot of volts :)
17:06 <xcamel> Steinmetz labs used it to explode telephone poles.
17:07 <xcamel> ie: lab lightning.
17:07 <PovAddict> tesla coil PSU
17:08 <PovAddict> nF?
17:09 <MTughan> All I can think of are nanofarads, but that's not that impressive.
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17:10 <PovAddict> exactly
17:10 <PovAddict> the Earth has 700nF? I can hold that on a finger
17:11 <PovAddict> I think I get this code now...
17:11 <CoderForLife> thinking waaaaay back to college physics, I thought it was a couple farads
17:12 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: deflation
17:12 <PovAddict> or is that devaluation... not sure which matches best for analogy
17:13 <xcamel> cfl: crust to core is a huge capacitor - millions of farads
17:13 <PovAddict> here's an interesting one
17:14 <PovAddict> if you suspend a workunit, BOINC won't fetch any more work from that project
17:14 <xcamel> uh-huh
17:14 <jackygrahamez> I'm getting errors on this 64-bit RH5 when I run _autosetup
17:14 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)
17:15 <PovAddict> that is, if the project has any workunit in suspended-by-user state, BOINC won't get work from it
17:15 <jackygrahamez> Any ideas?
17:15 <xcamel> suspend a project, and boinc will fill empties like a banchee
17:15 <PovAddict> that hit me once...
17:15 <PovAddict> I had PrimeGrid WUs from different sub-projects
17:15 <PovAddict> I suspended one of them, because I wanted to run from the other subproject for the race
17:15 <PovAddict> and then BOINC wouldn't get any more PG work
17:16 <PovAddict> omg
17:16 <jackygrahamez> I should create sub-PrimeGrid
17:16 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: the mess they are doing with translation files has broken compilation
17:16 <xcamel> nail-on-head, POV
17:17 <jackygrahamez> ah thanks I noticed several updates today...I'll give it a day
17:17 <jackygrahamez> or I could also take older versions
17:34 <MTughan> Confirmed, the Aqua app is written entirely in Fortran.
17:35 * CoderForLife programmed a lot in FORTRAN
17:36 <MTughan> Reason I had asked is that they were having trouble getting the app to run on OS X Tiger systems, because they were compiling on a Leopard box. The flags I know work for C and its derivatives, but I have no idea how to do it with Fortran.
17:40 <CoderForLife> GOTO
17:40 <xcamel> couples in retirement homes "do it with Fortran"
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17:40 <CoderForLife> couples in retirement homes "do it with keypunch cards"
17:43 <CoderForLife> and when they do, they Hollerith
17:43 <CoderForLife> bbiab
17:46 <xcamel> indeed...
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17:47 <wdsmia> re-hi
17:47 <PovAddict> ok, 16757 broke compilation
17:47 <PovAddict> I was going to get jack to "update" to 16756 but guess I was too late :)
17:48 <xcamel> 'lo Doug
17:49 <wdsmia> *lo Jay well I see my ISP is still snafu
18:11 <xcamel> go figure...
18:23 <jasong> I love Sonic drive-through commercials. it hasn't caused me to buy anything from them, which I guess means they've failed, but their commercials are AWESOME
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18:30 <jasong> karma
18:30 <jasong> hmmm
18:30 <jasong> &karma
18:30 <Romulus> jasong: Error: I have no karma for this channel.
18:31 <PovAddict> &karma xcamel
18:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: xcamel has neutral karma.
18:31 <PovAddict> &karma BOINC
18:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: BOINC has neutral karma.
18:31 <PovAddict> I guess nobody used it
18:31 <PovAddict> &xcamel++
18:31 <Romulus> PovAddict: Are you daft?
18:31 <PovAddict> meh
18:31 * CoderForLife grumbles
18:31 * KathrynM groans
18:32 <CoderForLife> (expletive deleted) NetZero
18:32 <CoderForLife> I had subscribed to NetZero so my sister could have dial Internet access while in the nusring home
18:32 <CoderForLife> I canceled in October
18:32 <jasong> Hey, if I wanted to buy an e-book reader for the sole purpose of being able to own a bunch of programming tutorials without cluttering up my space, are there enough good programming e-books to make that worthwhile?
18:32 <CoderForLife> no billing in November, but now I've gotten charges in December and January
18:33 * CoderForLife grumbles
18:34 <CoderForLife> what's the difference between a programming e-book and a programming book on an e-book reader?
18:34 <CoderForLife> answer: nothing
18:34 <jasong> I know that. Did I phrase it badly, or are you complaining about redundancy. or...?
18:34 <CoderForLife> do a Kindle and buy a book, or do one of the other e-book readers, imho
18:35 <jasong> Yeah, I'm meaning to buy a reader, but I want to wait until they start making them in color
18:35 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: his question is if there are good enough programming e-books to make the reader worth having
18:35 <PovAddict> jasong: why'd you want color?
18:36 <jasong> because it will make e-magazines look a TON better
18:36 <CoderForLife> the question is, are there programming books good enough - the reader is just a delivery mechanism
18:36 <jasong> true
18:36 <PovAddict> can you get any book in e-book form?
18:37 * KathrynM is waiting for her python books to arrive.
18:37 <CoderForLife> pert much now
18:37 <KathrynM> the dead tree variety.
18:37 <KathrynM> I do better with stuff I can write in.
18:37 <CoderForLife> have you looked at the Amazon Kindle store?
18:37 <CoderForLife> many programming books
18:37 <PovAddict> brb fireworks
18:37 <CoderForLife> which ones would you buy, Kindle or not?
18:38 <jasong> Yes, I have, it's mostly the thing about most readers not being able to display in color that's keeping me from buying a reader
18:38 <CoderForLife> ok, there's a stumbling block
18:38 <jasong> yes, a major one
18:39 <CoderForLife> yup, if color is a requirement, stick with paper books
18:39 <jasong> Well, if there's a decent number of good tutorials, I might actually take the leap
18:39 <PovAddict> missed them
18:39 * CoderForLife <- Kindle owner for about a year
18:39 <jasong> Do you like it?
18:40 <CoderForLife> s'ok - mostly use it for reading on airplanes
18:40 <CoderForLife> no technical reading
18:40 <jasong> Yeah, I have this fear that something better will show up while it'
18:40 <jasong> s still on back order
18:40 * CoderForLife watches the train pass jasong by
18:40 <jasong> lol
18:41 * jasong is afraid a faster train will show up
18:41 * CoderForLife returns to crabbing at NetZero
18:41 * KathrynM returns to pleading with DNS (not that it'll do any good)
18:41 <jasong> I think if I can wait until June or so, much better stuff will be available
18:42 * jasong has a birthday in June
18:44 <Romulus> Title: QDB: Quote #95266 (at qdb.us)
18:44 <CoderForLife> what's it called when you have the credit card company reverse the charges?
18:44 <PovAddict> I recall hearing of "chargeback"
18:44 <KathrynM> yeah, chargeback sounds about right to me
18:44 <CoderForLife> I think you're right
18:44 <CoderForLife> thanks
18:44 <PovAddict> but then I don't even have a credit card
18:46 <jasong> Credit cards are something greedy people get so that they can buy cool stuff, but it makes the long-term value of their labor much less than they realize
18:46 <jasong> I don't think credit should be used for anything except houses and cars
18:46 <CoderForLife> Credit cards is how business is done these days
18:46 <PovAddict> jasong:
18:46 <PovAddict> yeah
18:46 <PovAddict> people who have multiple credit cards and use them to pay each other
18:47 <jasong> True, but if you don't intend to pay it off at the end of the month, you probably think you're more intelligent than you are
18:47 <jasong> oh, sorry, pov
18:47 <jasong> delayed post
18:47 <jasong> lol, now I've accidently insulted CFL
18:47 <jasong> my bad :(
18:47 <jasong> -lol
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18:51 * jasong fears he's killed the mood :(
19:07 * CoderForLife grumbles
19:09 <CoderForLife> here's what I'm reading on Kindle http://www.amazon.com/Red-Mars-and-Green/dp/B000FBFNNI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=digital-text&qid=1231200520&sr=1-1
19:11 <CoderForLife> off to talk to the wife - laterz
19:17 <PovAddict> ok, looks like I can add a manual "fetch X seconds of work from project Y", but I don't know what would happen if you trigger it while the client is doing another project communication
19:17 <PovAddict> undefined behavior :)
19:19 <PovAddict> here we go
19:35 <PovAddict> success (I think :P)
19:37 <PovAddict> xcamel: http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/manual-work-fetch.png
19:42 * xcamel wakes from a rip van winkle nap
19:43 <sv2_> PovAddict - hey.. can you recommend a solid/good how to install boinc server guide for fedora/centos?
19:43 <xcamel> where's the big red "Just F'n Fillit!" button?
19:44 <PovAddict> this took me long enough! I've yet to touch any GUI code :)
19:45 <PovAddict> a button saying "just fill the cache" doesn't make much sense though
19:45 <PovAddict> it's what BOINC is supposed to always do
19:45 <xcamel> it would make people happy, and you would be a hero. Would that work for you?
19:46 <PovAddict> what project should it get work from?
19:46 <PovAddict> ^ that decision is what most of the ugly work fetch code is about
19:46 <PovAddict> so what you're asking is "fix the scheduler/workfetch" :) (which I can't do overnight)
19:49 <PovAddict> a "fill the cache" button is like a "stop system from crashing" button... why would it be a button??
19:50 <xcamel> simply, the highlighted selection in the project list... or the <my project> in boinc_cmd
19:51 <xcamel> btw.. I dream in color, and think in GUI
19:52 <xcamel> ps: "stop system from crashing" is a 12lb (5.9 kilo) sledge hammer.
19:53 <Soul_keeper> damnit
19:53 <Soul_keeper> i just lost an AP wu after like 40hrs of work
19:53 <PovAddict> the best way to accelerate a windows PC is at 9.81m/sÂ²
19:54 <Soul_keeper> was almost done, then i "shutdown connected client" and when i restarted boinc deleted the app and app_info.xml
19:54 <xcamel> pov: that would be a trebuchet.
19:55 <Soul_keeper> lol
19:56 <xcamel> one think that has made my 'manual workfetch' much easier is the drag select in boicmanager
19:56 <Soul_keeper> so angry so damn angry
19:56 <xcamel> einstein down or something?
19:58 <Soul_keeper> i hate seti now
19:58 <Soul_keeper> just because of that lost WU
19:58 <Soul_keeper> i'm going to take it personal now
19:59 <Soul_keeper> i had reset seti beta apparently boinc reset seti as well
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20:00 <Soul_keeper> efc, hey !
20:00 <efc> hey
20:02 <Soul_keeper> show me your boincstats link efc
20:02 <efc> i'm sure they're pitiful
20:04 <xcamel> ah.. got some
20:04 <xcamel> 'lo Ed
20:04 <Soul_keeper> show me your boincstats link xcamel :)
20:05 <Soul_keeper> boincstats.com
20:05 <xcamel> why?
20:05 <Soul_keeper> ok got it
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20:16 <MTughan> Holy crap, that's some Vdroop... I set 1.4125V in BIOS, CPU-Z read 1.320V.
20:16 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, you gonna catch wdsmia ? http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=100947
20:17 <Soul_keeper> that's insane
20:17 <wdsmia> :)
20:17 <Soul_keeper> he's averaging like 30K+ a day
20:17 <Soul_keeper> impressive wdsmia
20:18 <MTughan> Maybe with 4 quads OC'd like this one, but not anytime soon...
20:18 <Soul_keeper> you'd need more than that ...
20:18 <Soul_keeper> maybe 8 of them :)
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20:19 <MTughan> That ain't happening anytime soon.
20:19 <xcamel> I've cut back on my boxes, and limited my projects though...
20:21 <MTughan> Still getting ~30K RAC?
20:21 <MTughan> I
20:21 <MTughan> I'll be lucky to get 12K with the quad attached now. Dual gets about 3.5-4K on Linux x64.
20:25 <MTughan> 1.45V set in BIOS now...
20:25 <MTughan> Not that I'd like to set it much higher.
20:29 <MTughan> Well, for the first few minutes at least, this is looking promising.
20:30 <MTughan> Oh, I backed the FSB back down and put the multiplier back up. Testing 3.35GHz.
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20:32 <Soul_keeper> efc, you never gave me your boincstats
20:33 <Soul_keeper> fine
20:34 <MTughan> Ah nuts, BSOD.
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20:38 <MTughan> 1.37 Vcore under load right now.
20:54 <MTughan> Well, up to 75C under one core with P95...
20:55 <MTughan> At least 8C cooler with ABC, so that's fine, but I'm not going any higher on the voltage. 1.376V after Vdroop is enough.
21:09 <sv2_> PovAddict - hey.. can you recommend a solid/good how to install boinc server guide for fedora/centos?
21:09 <xcamel> damn...
21:09 <sv2_> oe anyone for that matter..!! can you recommend a solid/good how to install boinc server guide for fedora/centos?
21:10 <xcamel> ask yoyo...
21:10 <xcamel> when he's here
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21:14 <MTughan> Aiee... 83C, too hot.
21:14 <MTughan> I think my CPU cooler might not be quite on. The heatpipes aren't hot.
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21:22 <quail> &wx ypad
21:23 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 77Â°F / 25Â°C | Humidity: 50% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 12:30 PM CST; Clear. High:84 ° F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 ° F.; Chance of Rain. High:73 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:55 ° F.; Clear. High:69 ° F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:55 ° F.;
21:26 <xcamel> 'lo Q
21:33 <xcamel> ip kill >> 18.104.22.168 crawler hax
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21:37 <xcamel> 'lo desti
21:46 <PovAddict> MTughan: water?
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22:02 <MTughan> I'm starting to consider water cooling, yeah...
22:03 <MTughan> Canada just beat Sweden in the WJHC.
22:03 <MTughan> 5-1.
22:05 <PovAddict> consider lowering that clock too
22:05 <PovAddict> would help a lot in cooling down
22:06 <MTughan> I will. I'm just trying a "blend" preset in P95 now, as that'll test more without stressing the proc as much.
22:06 <MTughan> I can hit 3.27GHz with standard voltages though.
22:07 <MTughan> That maxes at 71C with the large load of P95.
22:07 <PovAddict> taking it down to stock speeds would improve my RAC too (when viewed next to yours)
22:08 <MTughan> You wish... :P
22:08 <PovAddict> whats the max temp?
22:08 <MTughan> Maxes about 63C with ABC.
22:09 <PovAddict> I mean max supported before it blows up (or starts automatic protection like underclocking)
22:09 <MTughan> Oh, dunno. It didn't at 83C.
22:10 <PovAddict> P4 apparently can cope 75C... my p4 has always been close to the limit
22:10 <MTughan> I was always around 68C on my P4.
22:10 <PovAddict> atm Im more worried about the hard disk on that computer
22:11 <MTughan> My HDDs are at 16C. xD
22:11 <PovAddict> ... whats the room temperature
22:11 <MTughan> Probably around there, if not slightly warmer.
22:12 <MTughan> Windows's open, -7C outside.
22:13 <PovAddict> my computer room is 28C right now
22:14 <jasong> lol, is that good or bad?
22:14 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't think my heatsink is dissipating as much heat as it could... When the CPU was at 78C, I took a chance and touched some of the heatpipes on the cooler.
22:14 * jasong never learned to tell
22:14 <MTughan> They were cold.
22:14 <PovAddict> anyway the P4 disk reaches 40C loaded; not good
22:15 <jasong> Hey, does anyone know if Terminator and Heroes was on tonight?
22:15 <PovAddict> &math convert 28 C F
22:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: 82.4
22:16 <PovAddict> jasong: 82F room
22:16 <jasong> Yeah, that's hot
22:16 <MTughan> &math convert 16 C to F
22:16 <Romulus> MTughan: 60.8
22:16 <MTughan> 61F on the hard disks here, probably a good indicator of ambient.
22:17 <jasong> lol, that's pretty cold
22:17 <PovAddict> I insist: dry ice would be interesting to try
22:18 <PovAddict> water ice of course wouldnt work on a computer
22:18 <jasong> I tried dried ice once, lost a bunch of skin on my tongue...Or is that not what you meant? ;)
22:18 <MTughan> Oil submersion is too expensive an inconvenient for me.
22:18 <PovAddict> what temperature is dry ice at?
22:19 <MTughan> -79C/-109F.
22:19 <MTughan> Wikipedia++
22:19 <PovAddict> oil submerged cooling is crazy...
22:20 <PovAddict> hmm like watercooling was in the past... maybe in the future we'll think it's normal?
22:21 <PovAddict> hmm 79C... seems too cold, could crack stuff from the temperature change (like PCB plastic)
22:21 <sv2_> you really want liquid nitrogen/oxygen...
22:21 <MTughan> Try LN2. IIRC, it's -191C.
22:21 <sv2_> played with it years ago when i worked at nasa....
22:22 <sv2_> fun stuff...
22:22 <MTughan> lol
22:22 <PovAddict> sv2: thats dangerous to handle, and i cant exactly pour it insid a computer case :)
22:22 <sv2_> get a some of that in a styrofoam cup.. throw it in the air!!
22:22 <MTughan> Hmm... How would would LN2 and an IV drip work?
22:23 <sv2_> make sure your fingers don't get too cold!!
22:23 <sv2_> do that until the mgr comes walking by...
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22:23 <sv2_> but back to serious issues...
22:24 <PovAddict> liquid oxygen sounds interesting though, would even improve the room air once it evaporates
22:24 <sv2_> in order to create my own fedora boinc server.. i just download the source.. and build/compile it.. right?
22:24 <MTughan> PovAddict: No smoking.
22:25 <PovAddict> smoking?
22:25 <sv2_> anything else i need to do?
22:25 <MTughan> Oxygen + flame/heat = more fire.
22:26 <PovAddict> download, compile, run make_project script
22:26 <PovAddict> and thats where the fun starts ... -.-
22:28 <PovAddict> MTughan: I cant stand cigarette smoke, so zero chance I'd start smoking
22:28 <MTughan> All right, don't play with matches.
22:29 <PovAddict> nobody in my house smokes (my smom used to, but stopped before even meeting my dad, looong ago)
22:30 <PovAddict> mom*
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22:52 <jasong> My dad used to smoke, he quit because I was badly allergic to it, even his clothes had a bad effect on my breathing
22:52 <jasong> You're killing yourself, didn't make him quit. You're killing your son, that worked like a charm
22:53 <PovAddict> I once saw an ad about 'passive smoking'
22:54 <jasong> I once saw an ad about Viagra, then I saw it again, and again, and again...
22:54 <jasong> YYKWIM?
22:54 <jasong> oops
22:54 <jasong> YKWIM?
22:55 <PovAddict> very exaggerated, showed a woman smoking and feeding her 2 year old kid at the same time
22:55 <jasong> I saw an ad where a fetus was smoking
22:55 <jasong> That was kind of gross, for more than one reason
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