IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-01-06

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00:24 <sv2_> hey guys... just did a build/compile for the server/client...

00:24 <sv2_> but i can't figure out what the apps are called.. or where they reside!

00:27 <sv2_> ok.. i seem to have found them under the 'client' dir...

00:30 <sv2_> hmmm.. that seems to be the client... where is the server for boinc?

00:35 <Soul_keeper> CoderForLife, you still awake ?

00:38 <Soul_keeper> nm

00:41 <efc> moo

00:42 <sv2_> anybody here built the bonc server on linux?

00:45 <efc> soul_keeper, i don't remember how to get it

00:46 <Soul_keeper> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Compiling_the_core_client   http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/SourceCode                     just don't use  --disable-server

00:46 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6kfqdq> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

00:46 <efc> the boincstats

00:48 <sv2_> i've compiled/built the source... i did a make.. do i need a "make install"... also.. how the heck does this tie into the apache server?

00:52 <Soul_keeper> i usually compile with --prefix=/home/me/BOINC-test

00:52 <Soul_keeper> then install there, and copy the files out that i want to my old BOINC dir

00:53 <sv2_> Soul_keeper - this is a completely new install... i have no idea which files to copy.. nor where they should go.. nor how the files interface with apache?

00:54 <sv2_> and the docs don't appear to be clear regarding this..

00:54 <Soul_keeper> then do an install to  /home/sv2_/BOINC  or whatever

00:55 <Soul_keeper> i've never run the server myself, so after that you'll just have to toy around till you get it i guess

00:55 <Soul_keeper> or maybe  /home/sv2_/BOINC-server

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01:58 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test.png

01:58 <Soul_keeper> improved :)

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02:01 <efc> Mmm, glad I didn't give you that link then :P

02:02 <efc> I never figured out how to get it

02:04 <efc> this close enough? http://boincstats.com/stats/user_graph.php?pr=sah&id=174100

02:04 <efc> should have done boinc overall but they seem to have dropped my einstein credits

02:05 <efc> there it is if you want it  http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=1828858

02:05 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats | BOINC combined - User stats - Detailed statistics for Eddie Cottongim (at boincstats.com)

02:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah i can add it if you want

02:05 <Soul_keeper> might make cfl feel better :)

02:07 <Soul_keeper> your stats are weird

02:07 <Soul_keeper> no pie charts or anything ...

02:07 <efc> they seemed to have hosed mine at some point

02:07 <efc> created two users out of me. and my einstein credits are gone.

02:09 <Soul_keeper> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=3ce1be75fd5e0b67bc68255c3a5dcb70    this is the link you'll want

02:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/99s8n3> (at boincstats.com)

02:09 <Soul_keeper> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=174100    this south african guy has the same boinstats id   for some reason,  odd

02:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/767fuf> (at boincstats.com)

02:12 <Soul_keeper> you might have to e-mail someone to get einstein communicating with boincstats

02:12 <Soul_keeper> probably using different crossproject id's

02:12 <efc> i didnt have too much credit with them anyway

02:12 <Soul_keeper> so you just run seti fulltime now ?

02:12 <efc> Yeah

02:13 <Soul_keeper> how's that cyrix treating you ?  :)

02:13 <efc> Used to use Einstein as backup but it was heavy on the bandwidth for me

02:13 <efc> The cyrix is one step away from the junk pile.. that PC quit booting

02:13 <efc> no reason, just quit

02:16 <efc> It was always a hunk of crap. Biostar motherboard. Never again.

02:16 <Soul_keeper> yeah they call them MSI  now

02:16 <Soul_keeper> still crappy

02:17 <efc> Biostar is still around.. they might not stink as bad but i'll never risk it

02:20 <Soul_keeper> i dunno, i remember having a p133 and asked them for a motherboard manual and they mailed me one

02:20 <Soul_keeper> that was pretty cool of them

02:21 <Soul_keeper> i kinda expected, having a motherboard that was over 5yrs old at the time, they'd tell me to get lost

02:30 <efc> Yeah, they must have been trying to get rid of them :)

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02:57 <efc> Hmm, its easy to get a 5" cardboard tube, if I want 20 of them

02:57 <Soul_keeper> there has to be an easier way

02:58 <Soul_keeper> probably laying around at a package store or something

02:59 <Soul_keeper> i've used them to make flame throwers before ...

02:59 <efc> I'm wondering if I could buy the 20, use one, and sell the rest at 200% markup on ebay

02:59 <efc> I could be King of Cardboard Tubes

02:59 <Soul_keeper> a little lighter fluid inside, light them up and they shoot flames several feet out the other side

03:00 <Soul_keeper> don't even really need the fluid

03:00 <efc> yazoomills makes them as big as 12". Imagine the fireworks you could make with that!

03:00 <Soul_keeper> heh

03:01 <efc> shockwaves, mushroom cloud

03:01 <Tidus> big bang theory...

03:05 <efc> somebody might ask questions if i bought 200 pounds of black powder to fill it

03:09 <efc> might as well go to ammonium nitrate at that scale

03:09 <efc> 1 kt explosion at 1 mile, yeah!

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04:28 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:28 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30.3F / -0.9C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Occasional freezing rain this morning...possibly mixed with sleet early. Occasional rain late this morning and afternoon. Ice accumulation of up to a tenth of an inch. Highs in the mid 30s. East winds around 5 (2 more messages)

04:29 <CoderForLife> &more

04:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Rain likely. Near steady temperatures in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph. Chance of rain 70 percent.; Wednesday - Cloudy with a chance of rain and snow showers. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton County in (1 more message)

04:29 <CoderForLife> &more

04:29 <Romulus> CoderForLife: effect until 12:00 PM EST on January 06, 2009;

04:53 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:59 <CoderForLife> bwb

05:06 <CoderForLife> maybe efc can use some self-assembling optics  http://thefutureofthings.com/news/6022/self-assembling-optics.html

05:06 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/736vdk> (at thefutureofthings.com)

05:15 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#% and get out in front of the ice

05:16 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:29 <hawmps> 'lo

06:29 <hawmps> spork >> 74.141.18.36

06:37 <PovAddict> off to w&@$

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09:47 <hawmps> &wx 12020

09:47 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 21.6F / -5.8C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Snow likely in the evening...then snow and sleet after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows in the mid 20s. East winds 5 (1 more message)

09:47 <hawmps> &more

09:47 <Romulus> hawmps: to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 90 percent.; Wednesday - Snow and sleet. Freezing rain in the afternoon. Additional snow and sleet accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Ice accumulation of less than one quarter of an inch. Highs around 30. East winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 08, 2009;

09:47 * hawmps groans

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09:54 <hawmps> 'lo ElG

09:54 <hawmps> ..er not

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10:51 <hawmps> 1/3 of our solar array >> http://lrllamas.com/solar.jpg

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11:10 <jackygrahamez> hi

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11:16 <Pinchiukas> so will "Server error: can`t attach shared memory

11:16 <Pinchiukas> " solve itself?

11:16 <Pinchiukas> or should I do something?

11:17 <Pinchiukas> &whatis windows

11:17 <Romulus> Pinchiukas: "windows" could be http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/boinc_6.2.19_windows_intelx86.exe

11:18 <jackygrahamez> Is boinc website still down?

11:21 <hawmps> seems so..

11:22 <hawmps> nice...

11:22 <hawmps> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090106.html

11:23 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 6 - Jupiter Eclipsing Ganymede (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

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11:27 <Soul_keeper> what time does http://boincstats.com/ update ?

11:27 <Romulus> Title: BOINCstats - BOINC Statistics / BAM! - BOINC Account Manager - Detailed user, host, team and country statistics with charts for BOINC. (at boincstats.com)

11:34 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Usually the stats are brought in about 30 minutes from now, but it can take up to an hour after that to parse and purge.

11:34 <Soul_keeper> thanks

11:34 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test.png   does this look better MTughan ?

11:35 <Soul_keeper> apparently i was plotting the points in reverse order previousely ...

11:35 <MTughan> Nice. The lines help too.

11:36 <Soul_keeper> wdsmia apparently pulls in 1M a month

11:36 <wdsmia_w> :)

11:37 <Soul_keeper> had to make my chart bigger ...

11:58 <MTughan> rofl... http://photos.media.macrumorslive.com/p/2009-01-06/f1231260992.jpg

11:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/75m9hk> (at photos.media.macrumorslive.com)

11:58 <MTughan> Live at Macworld (starts in 2 minutes), everyone's got a laptop!

11:59 <MTughan> Just imagine the BOINCing power of that room...

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12:09 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

12:12 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:12 <MTughan> Uh... iPhoto '09 apparently includes face detection.

12:12 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

12:12 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 8.8°F / -12.9°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020.2hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 6:04 PM CET; Clear. High:17 F.; Clear. Low:8 F.; Chance of Snow. High:28 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:12 F.; Clear. High:22 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:17 F.;

12:25 <MTughan> WTH? "STEVE JOBS JUST DIED" was put into the live feed... I think someone found a security hole.

12:34 <PovAddict> link to live feed?

12:36 <MTughan> Not anymore... 4chan hacked it.

12:37 <PovAddict> is it completely down?

12:38 <MTughan> Nope... Look at your own risk: http://www.macrumorslive.com/

12:38 <Romulus> Title: MacRumors.com : Macworld San Francisco 2009 Keynote Live Coverage (at www.macrumorslive.com)

12:39 <PovAddict> omg

12:41 <MTughan> Arstechnica is up: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20090106-macworld-ars-macworld-2009-keynote-live-on-ars.html

12:41 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8ssgfh> (at arstechnica.com)

12:42 <PovAddict> did they put the god damn timeline back?

12:42 <PovAddict> in iMovie

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12:42 <MTughan> Yes, finally.

12:47 <MTughan> http://twitter.com/macrumors gives more infrequent updates too.

12:47 <Romulus> Title: Twitter / macrumors (at twitter.com)

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12:53 <PovAddict> I'll wait for the downloadable video

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12:54 <MTughan> Fair enough.

12:55 <hawmps> fairy Nuff?

12:59 <PovAddict> &seen fairy_nuff

12:59 <Romulus> PovAddict: fairy_nuff was last seen in #boinc 2 years, 0 weeks, 6 days, 16 hours, 18 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <Fairy_Nuff> and good night from here

12:59 <hawmps> Mike, did you see: http://lrllamas.com/solar.jpg ?

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14:09 <FreeLarry58> that's some solar aray there jay

14:09 <FreeLarry58> one of your stores?

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14:14 <Soul_keeper> http://sterlingdesktops.com/boincrace/test.png   chart now auto updates daily at 10:10am PST    let me know if anyone else wants to be added

14:18 <wdsmia_w> How about adding a few more points to mine :P

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14:21 <Soul_keeper> :)

14:22 <FreeLarry58> huh? you mean i was in a race Soul_keeper?  - i knew i should have got some more running shoes

14:23 <Soul_keeper> just a chart generated every day showing the preceding 30 days

14:23 <FreeLarry58> oh - kind of guessed that ;)

14:24 <hawmps> the main store..

14:25 <hawmps> 420 panels, 60+Kw

14:25 <FreeLarry58> lol more than enough i think

14:25 * FreeLarry58 wonders when his 7700 pending credits on einstien will clear

14:25 <FreeLarry58> times approx 3

14:27 <FreeLarry58> i see i wont complete the gpugrid unit on time and its causing everything else to stay suspended too

14:28 <FreeLarry58> so think i'll avoid that for a while longer

14:28 <FreeLarry58> really mucks up gaming - have to suspend boinc while using machine for other things

14:28 <Soul_keeper> you gotta have an up to date boinc version for it to work right

14:28 <FreeLarry58> 6.4.5

14:28 <Soul_keeper> odd

14:29 <Soul_keeper> works fine for me

14:29 <FreeLarry58> not only usling the gpu but almost 100 percent of cpu also

14:29 <Soul_keeper> what is the resource share ?

14:29 <FreeLarry58> 100 i think

14:30 <FreeLarry58> like most of my projects

14:30 <Soul_keeper> well if the resource share is say 30%  then it should use 30% of one core

14:30 <FreeLarry58> humm is that set at project or thru boincstats?

14:30 <Soul_keeper> leaving the rest of the core to another project

14:30 <Soul_keeper> project settings

14:31 <FreeLarry58> it does vary depending on what i'm doing but makes vid/music playback choppy

14:31 <FreeLarry58> oleder cpu

14:31 <FreeLarry58> amd 3500

14:31 <jackygrahamez> oh they are finally up

14:32 <FreeLarry58> yup with 8400 vid card 256 meg

14:32 <PovAddict> Soul_keeper: you aren't HTML-scraping boincstats.com are you?

14:32 <Soul_keeper> mine is set to 50% of resource share, but it's only using 8% of one core

14:32 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, yeah

14:32 <FreeLarry58> almos 42 hrs procesessing and 53% done

14:33 <Soul_keeper> interesting

14:35 <FreeLarry58> this machine http://einstein.phys.uwm.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=659340 will have to try and get to gpu site to see settings

14:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/a87kgj> (at einstein.phys.uwm.edu)

14:35 <PovAddict> what makes you think you're allowed to do that

14:35 <PovAddict> http://boincstats.com/forum/forum_thread.php?id=1161

14:35 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7p7bdh> (at boincstats.com)

14:36 <Soul_keeper> if they didn't want me accessing their website then it shouldn't be on the internet :)

14:36 <PovAddict> that's like saying 'if you didn't want me to steal that image you shouldn't have put it on the internet', just because it's on the internet doesn't mean anyone can copy it

14:36 <Soul_keeper> ahhh ic

14:37 <Soul_keeper> no it's nothing like saying that

14:39 <Soul_keeper> i'll look into a better method, but i doubt grabbing 7 pages once a day will cause any trouble

14:41 <FreeLarry58> humm settings for gpu same as for other projects just defaults

14:44 <FreeLarry58> http://www.gpugrid.net/show_host_detail.php?hostid=20722

14:44 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8qlxg9> (at www.gpugrid.net)

14:44 <FreeLarry58> well off to do chores

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15:14 <hawmps> btw... the whole array saw "first light" today, but then it clouded up.

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15:41 <FreeLarry58> isn't that the way it always goes jay

15:47 <FreeLarry58> tried to update the cpu usage to see if machine would work smoother with gpu grid - doesn't appear to have any effect on performance

15:47 <FreeLarry58> still choppy

15:48 <FreeLarry58> next will be suspend when in use

15:48 <Soul_keeper> what driver version you using ?

15:48 <FreeLarry58> latest from nvidia

15:48 <Soul_keeper> the beta ?

15:48 <Soul_keeper> 2.1 ?

15:48 <FreeLarry58> not sure -

15:50 <FreeLarry58> 6.14.11.7824

15:51 <Soul_keeper> 180.06 = 2.1

15:51 <Soul_keeper> 78.24  that's half a year old

15:51 <FreeLarry58> numbers i show are what appear in properties

15:51 <FreeLarry58> humm will check site again then

15:52 <Soul_keeper> http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_get.html

15:52 <Romulus> Title: Download CUDA Code - complete and free toolkit for creating derivative !@#&s (at www.nvidia.com)

15:54 <deprecated> Mac users, The ultimate new toy for your farm: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/92328

15:54 <Romulus> Title: Apple Introduces Revolutionary New Laptop With No Keyboard | The Onion - America's Finest News Source (at www.theonion.com)

15:55 <FreeLarry58> dl'ing 180.60 now will se if changes anything

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15:56 <Soul_keeper> yeah they mislabled it on their site for some reason  says 180.60  but filename is  180.06

15:56 <Soul_keeper> but it works fine for me

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15:58 <FreeLarry58> humm should be interesting as that machine set to use japanese as second language and the install program running in japanese

15:59 <FreeLarry58> restart underway

15:59 <sv2_> hey guys... thanks to the pointers over the last few days regarding boinc! i now seem to have a basic server up/running...

16:00 <sv2_> so i'm now trying to figure out how to create a simple client/server app to test this process out.

16:01 <sv2_> initially, i'd like to be able to have a client app send something back to the server, and be able to have this written to a file on the boinc server... or something similar..

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16:04 <FreeLarry58> sorry sv2_ i haven't a clue

16:04 <FreeLarry58> Soul_keeper will driver updated but still choppy

16:04 <xcamel> hmm... snow moving in...

16:05 <FreeLarry58> keep it xcamel i had enough - lucky me its all melted now ;0 now just worry about flooding

16:06 <MTughan> All right, nothing too much out of the ordinary for the first day. iLife '09, iWork '09, new MBP 17", and iTunes (as I understand) is going DRM-free.

16:06 <xcamel> this one might get ugly

16:06 <xcamel> no iFail?

16:06 <MTughan> Macrumors had that... Their live feed was hacked.

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16:09 <FreeLarry58> i notice a lot more explorer operations while gpugrid running

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16:10 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:10 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 1.4°F / -17.0°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 10:04 PM CET; Clear. High:15 F.; Clear. Low:8 F.; Chance of Snow. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:8 F.; Clear. High:24 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:17 F.;

16:10 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx fra

16:10 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 18°F / -8°C | Humidity: 45% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CET; Clear. High:26 F.; Clear. Low:8 F.; Chance of Snow. High:24 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:13 F.; Clear. High:26 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:12 F.;

16:11 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

16:11 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 48.2F / 9.0C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.72in / 1006.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Today - Periods of rain and becoming breezy. Highs 45 to 50. South wind increasing to 15 to 25 mph.; Tonight - Windy with rain...locally heavy. Lows in the 40s. South wind 20 to 30 mph with local gusts near 40 mph.; (1 more message)

16:12 <FreeLarry58> &more

16:12 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Wednesday - Rain...locally heavy...and breezy. Highs near 50. South wind 15 to 25 mph.; Areal Flood Watch for Kitsap County in effect until 2:00 PM PST on January 09, 2009; Special Weather Statement for Kitsap County in effect until 10:30 AM PST on January 08, 2009;

16:13 <Soul_keeper> "explorer operations" ?

16:14 <Soul_keeper> internet explorer ?

16:14 <Romulus> Somebody said internet explorer is free because M$ could afford to take an initial loss to gain complete market control, Soul_keeper

16:15 <MTughan> rofl...

16:18 <MTughan> All right, 3.27GHz seems to be the max OC I can get, at least on air.

16:18 <MTughan> It's respectable.

16:19 <MTughan> &math 363 / 266 - 1

16:19 <Romulus> MTughan: 0.364661654135

16:19 <MTughan> 36% overclock.

16:19 <Soul_keeper> you won't know the max stable untill summer time comes along :)

16:20 <MTughan> Yeah, I know...

16:20 <MTughan> I'm considering getting a small water cooling kit though, not too expensive. Seems to get good reviews overall.

16:20 <MTughan> Gigabyte's 3D Galaxy II, $170 at NCIX.

16:20 <PovAddict> do you have air conditioning?

16:21 <MTughan> Natural AC, I guess... :P

16:21 <PovAddict> put it in strong heat mode

16:21 <PovAddict> :)

16:21 <MTughan> Sorry, it'll switch automatically in 3-4 months.

16:22 <Soul_keeper> check out  dangerden.com  if you go water

16:22 <Soul_keeper> they are the best imo

16:22 <MTughan> Probably, but then I run into two issues: cost, and availability, even online.

16:23 <Soul_keeper> well water cooling ain't cheap

16:23 <MTughan> There's no way I'll be able to get anything for water cooling from retail, so online will have to do.

16:23 <MTughan> Well, I have a bit I can spend, but there's still the availability of the parts.

16:24 <xcamel> no liquid nitrogen?

16:24 <Soul_keeper> when i did it a few years ago i used a  30 dollar pond pump from the local department store, and a 20 dollar industrial refridgerator radior  from the local thrift shop

16:24 <MTughan> And you think water's expensive?

16:24 <MTughan> I'm going to have some dinner... bbl

16:24 <MTughan> Once I'm satisfied, we can talk later. I haven't had anything to eat today though...

16:24 <xcamel> enjoy..

16:25 <Soul_keeper> then you just gotta buy the block online for like 60 bucks, and hoses at home depot for like 20 bucks,  plus  some additive at the autoparts store for like 10 bucks (redline or equivalent)

16:25 <MTughan> University = (sarcastic) fun

16:25 <xcamel> and pray it doesn't leak

16:25 <Soul_keeper> if you buy all those things from an enthusiast site they'll kill you with premiums

16:26 <Soul_keeper> and used a 5 dollar walmart clear plastic bread box  for my resevoir :)

16:28 <FreeLarry58> not internet just windows explorer - os  i think

16:29 <Soul_keeper> all your problems are windows related

16:29 <Soul_keeper> linux purrs like a kitten :)

16:29 <FreeLarry58> yup would appear so

16:29 <FreeLarry58> works fine with suspend operations while comp in use

16:30 <FreeLarry58> but slows the processing down

16:30 <Soul_keeper> they need another update or two to boinc to work out the small kinks

16:30 <PovAddict> ha

16:30 <PovAddict> small kinks

16:30 <Soul_keeper> the gpu stuff is still pretty new

16:30 <xcamel> &wx 12074

16:30 <FreeLarry58> may work better if was on multi core machine but none available currently - unless you can talk PovAddict into setting up the linux quad

16:31 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 26.7F / -2.9C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.05in / 1017.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Snow likely this evening...then snow and sleet after midnight. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. The low in the mid 20s. East winds around 5 mph...becoming northeast around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of (2 more messages)

16:31 <xcamel> &more

16:31 <Romulus> xcamel: precipitation near 100 percent.; Wednesday - Freezing rain. Sleet and snow. Additional snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Ice accumulation of less than one quarter of an inch. The high in the lower 30s. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of precipitation near 100 percent.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. Snow in the evening...then scattered snow showers after midnight. Total snow (1 more message)

16:31 <xcamel> &more

16:31 <Romulus> xcamel: accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Ice accumulation of up to one tenth of an inch. The low in the mid 20s. Northeast winds around 5 mph...becoming west after midnight. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 08, 2009;

16:31 <xcamel> sheesh.

16:31 <PovAddict> the scheduler should be rewritten designing it since the beginning to work with multiple resources

16:31 * FreeLarry58 is glad he's on west coast currently

16:32 <xcamel> sadly, the warning is for > 24 hours

16:32 <xcamel> that is never good.

16:32 <FreeLarry58> yeah i know xcamel

16:32 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

16:32 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 67.5F / 19.7C | Humidity: 41% | Pressure: 29.44in / 996.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 3.4mph / 5.5km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs 60 to 65. Light winds.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 35 to 45. Light winds.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Highs 67 to 72. Light winds.;

16:32 <xcamel> you suck, SK.

16:32 <xcamel> :-)

16:32 <PovAddict> what will you tell me then?

16:32 <PovAddict> &wx eze

16:32 <FreeLarry58> &zipcode 91977

16:32 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Spring Valley, CA

16:32 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 91°F / 33°C | Humidity: 31% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:93 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Chance of Rain. High:89 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:66 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:93 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:66 F.;

16:33 <FreeLarry58> figures

16:33 <xcamel> you are a roasted banana

16:33 <PovAddict> only 33C? yesterday it was 34 but today feels hotter

16:33 <FreeLarry58> more humidity?

16:33 <PovAddict> that could be

16:33 <PovAddict> I saw 19% yesterday (ugh)

16:33 <Soul_keeper> it's always within striking distance of 70F here all year

16:33 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

16:33 <xcamel> 91 @ 31% isn't all that bad.

16:33 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 1.2°F / -17.1°C | Humidity: 58% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 10:19 PM CET; Clear. High:15 F.; Clear. Low:8 F.; Chance of Snow. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:8 F.; Clear. High:24 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:17 F.;

16:34 <yoyo[RKN]> brrrrr

16:34 <FreeLarry58> &wx manilla

16:34 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

16:34 <xcamel> geez, yo.

16:34 <FreeLarry58> &wx manila

16:34 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 73°F / 23°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 5:00 AM PHT; Unknown. High:80 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:71 F.; Chance of Rain. High:86 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:69 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:78 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:69 F.;

16:34 <Soul_keeper> FreeLarry58, you got some ladies there ?

16:34 <FreeLarry58> humm might make a nice place to retire too

16:34 <FreeLarry58> wifes from that area

16:35 <Soul_keeper> nice

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16:35 <FreeLarry58> thinking about it in about 5 to 8 yrs

16:39 <Soul_keeper> sounds good

16:43 <xcamel> wow - be a 'virtual border patrol agent'

16:45 <Soul_keeper> they've been hiring big the last few years

16:45 <Soul_keeper> think they plan an 8-10% increase this year like last

16:47 <xcamel> video surveillance via the web...http://www.blueservo.net/camload.php?camid=10&frameid=5

16:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/9hbtzs> (at www.blueservo.net)

16:47 <xcamel> runs in linux, using firefox

16:48 <xcamel> choice of many cameras..

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16:50 <xcamel> barometer dropping, head starting to feel like its going to cave in.

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17:03 <sv2_> hey PovAddict - not to be a bother.. but have you created a "client" app for boinc?

17:04 <sv2_> ie, an app that the boinc client downloads/runs on the client machine?

17:04 <sv2_> i'm trying to get my head around this.. without much luck..

17:06 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d309bade1 <- about as simple as it can get

17:07 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

17:07 <PovAddict> no input files used

17:09 <sv2_> PovAddict - ok... now bear with me!! the client app you provided (hello world) is compiled on the boinc server..

17:09 <sv2_> and it's installed/placed at a given location within the boinc project space yes/no?

17:10 <PovAddict> first time, you have to add the "application" (abstract concept) to the server

17:10 <sv2_> ok.. i've seen reference to that....

17:11 <sv2_> and once it's added/built.. the boinc client app, running on the client machine, can then attach to the "hello world" app, right?

17:11 <PovAddict> the only thing that really adds is a "short name" (like 'crawl') and a long name (like "Web crawler for the college pages") to the database, nothing fancy

17:12 <PovAddict> then after you put the app executable (and any files it may need) in the right place in the server, you add the "application version"

17:12 <PovAddict> which is a particular version of the app for a particular platform

17:12 <PovAddict> then you generate workunits for that application

17:12 <PovAddict> clients ask for work, get some back, download the app they need to do that work, and run it :)

17:13 <sv2_> does the boinc client running on the client machine, actually download the "hello world" client app.. i'm assuming it does..

17:13 <sv2_> ok..

17:13 <sv2_> so in theory.. i can have a simple shell script.. that does something like "ls -al"

17:13 <sv2_> and use this as the client app...

17:14 <PovAddict> not really...

17:14 <PovAddict> your app links with a library

17:14 <sv2_> but what happens to the "hello world" that's written to the local file on the client machine (the fprintf)

17:14 <PovAddict> when your app calls boinc_init (from that library), communication happens between the app and the BOINC client

17:15 <PovAddict> a shell script can't do that :)

17:15 <sv2_> how does that local file, get back to the boinc server..

17:15 <PovAddict> when you generate work, you say the workunits have an output file called 'output'

17:15 <PovAddict> then your app, at any moment before finishing, writes something to a file called that

17:15 <sv2_> is there a good website that lays this out in minute detail you can point me to!!

17:16 <PovAddict> starting here I guess http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/ProjectMain

17:16 <Romulus> Title: ProjectMain - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

17:16 <sv2_> let me check...

17:17 <sv2_> did you ever get my email from yesterday?

17:17 <sv2_> and i see your system is back up!!

17:17 <PovAddict> (careful with the tutorials in "Overview documents", they are for "type this and that and your server is running! oh and you have no idea how anything on it works")

17:17 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: You said you got a pond pump for a watercooling setup? How much did that cost, did it need to be submerged, and how loud is it?

17:19 <xcamel> you can get the small async pumps online, and they are pretty quiet

17:19 <Soul_keeper> submerged so it was quiet

17:19 <MTughan> How big a reservoir did you have?

17:20 <Soul_keeper> you can get good 400 or 600GPH ones for under 50 bucks, maybe 30 if you get a deal

17:20 <Soul_keeper> maybe a 1 gallon sized resevoir

17:21 <MTughan> One gallon... Hmm, not too bad.

17:22 <xcamel> get a 2L jolt cola bottle...

17:22 <xcamel> and some good sealant.

17:22 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:22 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

17:23 <MTughan> I was thinking a pop bottle, but I want something sealed...

17:23 <MTughan> Although if you cut the top off, put the pump in there, and sealed the top back on, that could work.

17:23 <MTughan> Construction silicone oughta seal it.

17:24 <MTughan> There's a home depot near here, and they should have pond pumps too.

17:25 <xcamel> those are all really too big

17:25 <xcamel> you only need like 4-8 gph

17:25 <xcamel> unless you have some huge radiator

17:27 <MTughan> Looks like I can get an 80 GPH pump for $15.

17:31 <MTughan> &math convert 400 L to gallons

17:31 <Romulus> MTughan: 105.668820943

17:31 <MTughan> The pump that comes with the Gigabyte kit is 105 GPH.

17:33 <MTughan> xcamel: Are you thinking 4-8 GPM?

17:33 <MTughan> 4 GPM would be 240 GPH.

17:34 <PovAddict> http://headrush.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/03/16/twittercurve.jpg

17:34 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/378ajl> (at headrush.typepad.com)

17:35 <MTughan> lol

17:35 <xcamel> yummy... sloppy joes

17:36 <xcamel> you want a slow flow rate, and a high thermal uptake to be the most efficient...

17:37 <Soul_keeper> depends

17:37 <Soul_keeper> some blocks/radiators work better slow

17:38 <Soul_keeper> the older blocks liked it fast tho

17:38 <xcamel> laws of thermal hydrodynamics

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17:39 <Soul_keeper> faster is always better if you got the radiator to handle it :)

17:40 <MTughan> Doesn't matter how fast it's going really. If it's moving faster, the water is in contact with both the CPU and radiator shorter. So in theory, the same cooling ability.

17:41 <Soul_keeper> i guess

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17:42 <xcamel> less time for thermal uptake, and expulsion...

17:43 <xcamel> slower is better, variable is best, as evey system is different, and the type/quality of the coolant is highly variable.

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17:45 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, i see you posted in that forum thread you linked earlier,  what was the solution that was being given to people who e-mailed to "work something out"  ?

17:45 <PovAddict> I didn't email, so I wouldn't know

17:46 <Soul_keeper> ahhh i thought you were the expert

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18:22 * FreeLarry58 thinks a water pump out of decorative table fountain would be suffiecient for water cooler flow

18:26 <xcamel> check the mainlandmart website... chinese stuff, but good quality.

18:29 <MTughan> Huh? You mean Walmart?

18:31 <xcamel> mainlandmart.com

18:31 <xcamel> and very un-spendy

18:32 <MTughan> Do they ship to Canada?

18:33 <xcamel> I believe they do.

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18:53 <xcamel> 'lo Crewsr3

19:00 * PovAddict doesn't like how kpdf renders stuff

19:01 <KathrynM> PovAddict, aquaman is still underwater.  oh why won't he come up for air?

19:01 <PovAddict> did they recently have a huge good price deal?

19:02 <KathrynM> oh yeah

19:02 <xcamel> 'lo Kat

19:02 <KathrynM> 2 years hosting + domain for 40 bucks

19:02 <KathrynM> only reason I got it

19:02 <KathrynM> which is also why I'm not too peeved

19:02 <KathrynM> bbiab

19:03 <MTughan> "aquaman is still underwater.  oh why won't he come up for air?" Do you two have some secret code or something?

19:03 <sv2_> hey PovAddict - when building/compiling a client 'app', should the root/boincadm user do it?

19:03 <PovAddict> sv2_: you don't need to do it on the server

19:03 <MTughan> Building, it doesn't matter.

19:04 <PovAddict> any user who can compile (and has the BOINC libraries) can do it

19:04 <sv2_> PovAddict ??? - i thought the hello.c app was done on the server?

19:04 <sv2_> which is then downloaded by the boinc client... did i miss something?

19:05 <PovAddict> the compilation can done in any computer you want to

19:05 <PovAddict> as long as then you copy the final executable to the server :)

19:05 <sv2_> got it...

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19:06 <sv2_> ok.. a basic sys adm question... where do i add to the PATH var for all users...

19:06 <sv2_> is that the /etc/.profile?

19:06 <PovAddict> ... what do you want to add?

19:07 <sv2_> when i'm building the hello.c that i copied from you.. i need to add the additional boinc dirs to find the "boinc_api.h, filesiz.h' files...

19:07 <sv2_> gcc -o hello hello.c

19:07 <MTughan> -I<include_dir> -L<lib_dir>

19:07 <PovAddict> PATH has nothing to do with that

19:08 <sv2_> PovAddict - i thought that there was/is a sys var which can be set for libs to be searched from..

19:08 <MTughan> There is, but it's GCC specific, and I haven't found it.

19:09 <PovAddict> g++ -o hello hello.c -I../somewhere/boinc/api -I../somewhere/boinc/lib

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19:10 <MTughan> What about link libraries?

19:10 <PovAddict> I forget...

19:10 <PovAddict> bah

19:11 <MTughan> Because that command compiles and links in the same step.

19:11 <MTughan> Well, same command call, maybe not same step.

19:11 <sv2_> just did that.. got undefined reference errs..

19:11 <PovAddict> replace $BOINC with wherever you have the BOINC code downloaded and compiled...: -I$BOINC -I$BOINC/lib -IBOINC/api -L$BOINC/lib -L$BOINC/api -lboinc -lboinc_api

19:11 <PovAddict> whew

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19:13 <sv2_> http://pastebin.com/mfaaba4

19:13 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

19:13 <sv2_> let me try what you typed...

19:13 <PovAddict> yeah, you have to link boinc and boinc_api

19:18 <KathrynM> MTughan, no secret code.  I bought a domain and hosting.  And yesterday the server I'm on "aquaman" decided to drown.

19:18 <MTughan> Ah, okay.

19:19 <KathrynM> I was up at like 3AM and couldn't sleep.  I was going to work on at least getting a landing page up on my site.

19:19 <KathrynM> Because there's literally nothing on there right now.

19:20 <sv2_> hmm.. can't find boinc_api on the system!!

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19:21 <PovAddict> should be in boinc/api/libboinc_api.a

19:21 <MTughan> You did build the BOINC libraries, right?

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19:22 <sv2_> i screwed up and had gcc, instead of g++...

19:22 <MTughan> Heh.

19:22 <sv2_> now it's barfing on config.h...

19:22 <MTughan> Although that should affect linking boinc_api.

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19:23 <PovAddict> you need a -I for the boinc dir itself too

19:23 <PovAddict> -I$BOINC -I$BOINC/lib -I$BOINC/api

19:24 <sv2_> found it just now..

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19:27 <sv2_> displying the current errs at -->http://pastebin.com/m285c832f

19:27 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

19:29 <MTughan> Looks like a missing library, although I don't know which one it could be.

19:29 <PovAddict> this may seem weird but try -lboinc_api -lboinc (opposite order)

19:29 <MTughan> Ah yes...

19:31 <xcamel> hmmm.. no cfl tonight

19:32 <sv2_> hmm.. updated errs are at -->http://pastebin.com/m7f3b711d

19:32 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

19:32 <MTughan> Add -pthread to the end I think.

19:32 <sv2_> fewer errs.. but still crashing on start_thread..

19:32 <sv2_> let me try..

19:33 <sv2_> aha.. at least it didn't crash...

19:33 <PovAddict> built the program?

19:34 <sv2_> yes... and i ran it as well... 'time ./hello' and got output files..

19:35 <sv2_> let me check my pork roast on the grill.. been there for 10 hours..

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19:47 <sv2_> ok...

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20:01 <MTughan> Apparently, Nvidia's 9400M chipset supports CUDA. Apple's newer MacBooks use that... :D

20:02 <MTughan> I'm not expecting phenomenal performance, but if it works, it should offer up some performance boosts.

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20:36 <xcamel> poof, and foop

21:17 <sv2_> hey guys....

21:17 <sv2_> i've got the hello app built.. now to figure out the next steps..

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21:43 <sv2_> hey jackygrahamez!!!

21:43 <sv2_> pschic vibes!

21:43 <sv2_> psychic

21:49 <sv2_> hey.. i created a "hello" app.. and i can't seem to figure out how to get it added to the boinc database..

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21:50 <PovAddict> I'm 50 minutes late for a meeting with my pillow

21:51 <sv2_> i see!!!

21:51 <sv2_> hey PovAddict!

21:51 <PovAddict> g'night

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21:53 <sv2_> talk to you later....

21:53 <sv2_> anyone else here..

21:53 <xcamel> nytol..

22:02 <MTughan> Holy sh*t, that's a lot of power... 2x HD4870X2 cards under load can make a system draw 700+W.

22:03 <MTughan> 740W with those GPUs and a C2D E8400.

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22:49 <sv2_> hey MTughan - got the sample hello app built.. managed to successfully run the xadd/update_versions as well...

22:49 <sv2_> what do i do now!

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23:01 <MTughan> sv2_: Sorry, I don't know. I know client side stuff and compiling, but I haven't worked with the server.

23:05 <sv2_> MTughan - then you might be good to ask....!!!!

23:06 <sv2_> i've got the client app "hello".. and i think it's added to the boinc server/database..

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23:09 <sv2_> but i have no idea how to attach the boinc client to the "hello" client app...

23:10 <MTughan> What platform did you register for the app on the server? Also, does it show up in apps.php?

23:10 <MTughan> brb...

23:11 <MTughan> b

23:24 <sv2_> ummm... where is the app.php? in my browser.. i can see the hello app... along with variosu detail for it...

23:24 <sv2_> i'm running all this on a linux/fedora platform..

23:24 <MTughan> Is your server publicly viewable?

23:25 <sv2_> nope...

23:25 <MTughan> All right, that's fine.

23:25 <sv2_> what's the name of the 'client' app for boinc?

23:25 <MTughan> Is the BOINC stuff under a separate subdirectory or in the root of Apache's dir?

23:26 <MTughan> BTW, the page I'm looking for is basically this: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php

23:26 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

23:26 <sv2_> separate dir... i've got it under /usr/src/boinc...

23:26 <MTughan> Are there PHP pages in there?

23:26 <sv2_> right... i have that...

23:27 <MTughan> Well, any applications registered with the server should show up in that page.

23:27 <sv2_> i was looking at boinctest2_ops... as opposed to boinctest2...

23:27 <sv2_> i see the hello app....

23:27 <sv2_> so it's registered...

23:27 <MTughan> That's good.

23:27 <sv2_> so do i run the client.. and somehow attach to the hello app??

23:27 <MTughan> You're trying to get it downloaded to the BOINC client?

23:28 <sv2_> yes...

23:28 <sv2_> i think!!

23:28 <sv2_> i'm trying to run the hello test app on my client machine..

23:28 <MTughan> That's where my thinking takes me. You've registered the app, now you want to try it out.

23:28 <sv2_> on the client box.. i have the boinc client... ..

23:28 <MTughan> One more thing though... Are there any workunits for the app created?

23:28 <sv2_> right!

23:29 <sv2_> umm.. not that i did!!

23:29 <sv2_> how would i do that?

23:29 <sv2_> or not that i'm aware that i did...

23:29 <MTughan> That's a problem. Because how BOINC works is it downloads a WU along with the associated app (hello in this case), and then uses the app to compute the WU.

23:29 <MTughan> I don't know how to create WUs.

23:29 <sv2_> i've tried to cobble together how to build the test...

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23:51 <efc> &wx 31088

23:51 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 70F / 21C | Humidity: 88% | Pressure: 29.64in / 1004hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h ; Tonight - Chance of showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms in the evening...then showers with a slight chance of thunderstorms after midnight. Windy. Lows in the upper 50s. Southwest winds 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 90 percent.; (1 more message)

23:51 <efc> &more

23:51 <Romulus> efc: Wednesday - Showers likely in the morning...then mostly sunny in the afternoon. Windy. Highs around 60. West winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of rain 60 percent.; Wednesday Night - Partly cloudy. Colder. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 5 to 15 mph.; Tornado Watch for Houston County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 07, 2009;

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