IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-01-07

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00:06 <MTughan> roflmao! http://www.xkcd.com/527/

00:06 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Keynote (at www.xkcd.com)

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00:07 <MTughan> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/sillies.php?d=20081226

00:07 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8uthl7> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

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00:50 <MTughan> All right, my (moderate) OC stats are up. http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=478923

00:50 <Romulus> Title: CPU-Z Validator 3.0 (at valid.canardpc.com)

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01:42 <FreeLarry> humm Soul_keeper note on processor settings - only good for multicore machines and if at <50 then second or more cores not used by any project

01:43 <FreeLarry> single core machines still use all of processor

01:43 <Soul_keeper> me ?

01:43 <Romulus> It has been said that me is just a better 98 isnt it, Soul_keeper

01:43 <FreeLarry> yup

01:43 <Soul_keeper> ok

01:43 <FreeLarry> from suggestions on setting for gpugrid - i tried it

01:44 <FreeLarry> had to go thru and reset all my machines as it propagated thru bam

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02:52 <efc> Something serious is about to blow up here

02:53 <efc> 60 mph winds they say

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02:58 <efc> sounds like its going to suck the doors off

02:59 <Soul_keeper> lightning :)

02:59 <Soul_keeper> time to go golfing ?

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03:09 <MTughan> If you do go golfing, take a couple balls.

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03:10 <MTughan> lol... http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090107

03:10 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/86bmq7> (at ars.userfriendly.org)

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03:53 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

03:53 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 7°F / -14°C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 9:20 AM CET; Chance of Snow. High:22 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:6 F.; Clear. High:24 F.; Clear. Low:8 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:26 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:13 F.;

04:18 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:18 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 37.4F / 3.0C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.28in / 991.4hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy. Isolated rain showers early this morning...then scattered rain and snow showers late this morning and afternoon. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 (1 more message)

04:19 <CoderForLife> &more

04:19 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Scattered snow showers in the evening... then isolated snow showers after midnight. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Thursday - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.;

04:20 <ELGono> we had -18C tonight

04:21 <ELGono> room mates car gave up this morning

04:21 <CoderForLife> you had coldness

04:21 <ELGono> russian winter... not much humidity.. so doesn't feel that cold

04:21 <CoderForLife> "but it's a dry cold"?

04:22 <ELGono> indeed

04:22 <ELGono> 85% is just above ground

04:22 <ELGono> morning fog

04:22 <CoderForLife> better that than being wet and cold

04:22 <ELGono> yep

04:23 <ELGono> had a nice long walk yesterday

04:23 <ELGono> now just waiting for the postman to arrive ;)

04:24 <ELGono> new parts for supersymetric power amp should arrive today

04:25 <ELGono> just thinking how to integrate the two 6JD8 tubes i still have left over

04:32 <Soul_keeper> havn't seen you talk in awhile ELGono

04:33 <Soul_keeper> good morning

04:35 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:43 <ELGono> yea was busy these days

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04:46 <XioNYC> &wx JFK

04:46 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 35F / 2C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1003hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Today - Rain. Highs around 40. Northeast winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain near 100 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain in the evening...then a slight chance of rain after midnight. Windy with lows in the mid 30s. West (1 more message)

04:47 <XioNYC> &wx EZE

04:47 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 61°F / 16°C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 7:00 AM ARST; Chance of Rain. High:91 F.; Partly Cloudy. Low:66 F.; Chance of Rain. High:87 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.; Chance of Rain. High:86 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:62 F.;

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04:48 <CoderForLife> bwb

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05:05 <MTughan> WTF? I just flashed the BIOS, and my load temps shot up ~10C.

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05:19 <MTughan> Holy sh*t... The new BIOS bumped the Vcore by almost 0.1V!

05:19 <ELGono> the changes section in readme says something about it? maybe the fixed

05:19 <MTughan> 1.344V under P95 to 1.424V!!

05:20 <ELGono> are that bios values or software reading out bios?

05:20 <MTughan> CPU-Z values.

05:21 <MTughan> The BIOS voltage setting is Auto in each case.

05:22 <ELGono> well first lookup readme if they changed something raliting this values... then you can decide to set voltage manually

05:22 <ELGono> but it looks like 0,1V more core voltage heating up a little more so temp values are maybe unchanged, system just went hotter

05:26 <ELGono> trz to set Vcore Voltage to old value manually and check if temperatures are back normal

05:26 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

05:26 <CoderForLife> bbiab

05:26 <ELGono> same here

05:26 <ELGono> laterz don

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05:37 <MTughan> I think this BIOS update fixed some Vdroop issues... While I was running on auto voltages with the first attempt, setting 1.425V in the BIOS resulted in 1.328V as read by CPU-Z.

05:37 <MTughan> I tried setting 1.425V again with the new BIOS based on the previous results, and 1.414V was read.

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05:53 <Soul_keeper> software voltage programs are known to give suedo acurate readings,  the bios readout is what you should pay attention to

05:59 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: It's kind of hard to stress the proc and read the voltage from the BIOS.

05:59 <MTughan> At the same time, that is.

05:59 <Soul_keeper> then get a better program :)

06:00 <MTughan> One that can read the voltage from the BIOS?

06:00 <Soul_keeper> their algorithms obviousely changed, and the software doesn't realize it without a version update

06:01 <MTughan> How do you know there just wasn't that much Vdroop before?

06:01 <Soul_keeper> i dunno what you're talking about now

06:01 <MTughan> 1.425 resulting in 1.414 is quite reasonable.

06:01 <Soul_keeper> i wear a belt for that :)

06:01 <CoderForLife> out the door to w@#% - laterz

06:01 <MTughan> Seeya CFL.

06:02 * CoderForLife salutes

06:02 <Soul_keeper> late

06:03 <MTughan> All right, let's see if I can clear this up... 1.425V set in BIOS. Old BIOS, CPU-Z read 1.328V actual. New BIOS, CPU-Z reads 1.414V actual.

06:03 <Soul_keeper> well even the bios will give you a different reading from actual to set

06:03 <Soul_keeper> that's the case with all boards

06:03 <MTughan> Yes, I know.

06:04 <MTughan> But a difference of almost 0.1V between set and actual?

06:04 <Soul_keeper> sure

06:04 <MTughan> It's now 0.01V.

06:04 <Soul_keeper> if you want  1.4  set  1.45  to be sure you get it

06:05 <Soul_keeper> well then you got it figured out

06:05 <MTughan> If I set 1.45 before, I would've gotten 1.35. Actually, I think I tried that...

06:05 <MTughan> 1.352-1.360V with 1.450V set in BIOS.

06:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's not unheard of

06:05 <Soul_keeper> your PSU could also be playing a role

06:05 <MTughan> If I wanted 1.4V, I would've had to set 1.5V in BIOS.

06:06 <Soul_keeper> what watt PSU are you running ?

06:06 <MTughan> Maybe, but this model has very good reviews. PCP&C Silencer 750.

06:06 <Soul_keeper> nice

06:06 <Soul_keeper> and it's rails are all where they should be ?

06:06 <MTughan> It's only one rail.

06:07 <Soul_keeper> Ok.  what's your 12v rail reading then ?

06:07 <MTughan> IIRC, 60A on the one 12V rail.

06:07 <Soul_keeper> actual voltage

06:07 <MTughan> SpeedFan says 11.3V on the +12V line, PC Probe says 11.98V.

06:08 <Soul_keeper> if it's sagging below 11.5v that could easily account for your vcore suffering

06:08 <MTughan> I'm not sure where SpeedFan gets the value from. PC Probe came with the MB.

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06:09 <Soul_keeper> the pcpc psu don't have voltage pots for adjustment ?

06:10 <MTughan> I don't know what a voltage pot is, so I'll say no.

06:10 <Soul_keeper> look it up on google, they are top quality so i'd assume they would

06:10 <Soul_keeper> could pop open the psu case and up the 12v rail a few .1 increments

06:11 <ELGono> SK ... no thez don't have

06:12 <ELGono> don't care so much about the voltages.... most reliable is bios itself... but even these values are not 100% tight

06:13 <Soul_keeper> well then he just has to accept the reality of the situation, unless you wants to break out a soldering iron

06:13 <ELGono> besides... i drive my P4 CPU with some 0.3V extra voltage for stability reasons ... (3.0GHz running at 3.6GHz)

06:13 <Soul_keeper> :)

06:14 <ELGono> if extra heat doesn't kill your CPU, some extra voltage won't do it neither

06:14 <MTughan> Like I said, it could be 11.98V.

06:14 <ELGono> thats you can prove with a multimeter yourself

06:14 <MTughan> True, and I do have one.

06:14 <Soul_keeper> http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=765175   this guide seems to be comprehensive if you do go into denial

06:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/axleq9> (at www.hardforum.com)

06:15 <MTughan> I'm going to see what the BIOS says first.

06:15 <ELGono> just check at any drive power connector

06:15 <ELGono> board has it's own stabilisation... so measuring just gives a thumbnail value, too

06:16 <Soul_keeper> i've modded boards to where i could manually adjust all voltages with a screw driver in realtime, and read them with a voltmeter before :)

06:16 <MTughan> 3.344V on +3.3, 5.016V on +5, 11.984V on +12.

06:16 <ELGono> well you should measure, while circuit is active with some load

06:17 <MTughan> Yep. Let me just boot Windows and get P95 running again. Which pins do I check?

06:17 <MTughan> I'm assuming by drive power connector you mean a standard 4 pin Molex.

06:17 <ELGono> jepp

06:18 <ELGono> http://www.helpwithpcs.com/courses/power-supply-basics-inc-pinouts.htm

06:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/79csm> (at www.helpwithpcs.com)

06:18 <MTughan> All right, measure a yellow and black apparently...

06:18 <MTughan> Yellow being +12, black ground.

06:18 <ELGono> correct

06:19 <MTughan> I have a 4-pin ATX connector I can measure too.

06:20 <ELGono> but as i said, it's not the board values

06:20 <MTughan> No, it's not plugged in.

06:20 <ELGono> mainboard has mostly it's own voltage regulation (thats where bios gets data from)

06:21 <MTughan> This PSU comes with separate 4- and 8-pin ATX connectors. I used the 8-pin, leaving the 4-pin disconnected.

06:21 <Soul_keeper> the motherboard and psu each have their own internal mechanisms for adjusting the voltages in realtime (every few ms or whatever)  as loads change

06:22 <MTughan> 12.14V on a Molex.

06:22 <Soul_keeper> so if you do something like open a cdrom drive, or power up a secondary hard drive you coud see   a momentary blip and perhaps overcompensation

06:23 <MTughan> Same on the ATX.

06:23 <Soul_keeper> that's fine

06:23 <Soul_keeper> who makes this motherboard you got ?

06:24 <MTughan> Asus.

06:24 <Soul_keeper> it's also a possibility that poor components were used in it's construction, maybe subpar caps.  they might never be able to make it perfect

06:24 <MTughan> Possible.

06:24 <MTughan> P5Q-E. Originally had BIOS 0605, flashed to 1703.

06:27 <Soul_keeper> so what are you trying to do ?

06:27 <MTughan> I'm just saying the new BIOS seemed to improve voltage regulation.

06:28 <Soul_keeper> :)

06:28 <MTughan> Although I think the temperature units were affected. It did say in the log that the algorithm changed.

06:28 <MTughan> So I don't know if 70C as reported by SpeedFan is 70C.

06:29 <Soul_keeper> might not be

06:29 <Soul_keeper> can only compare idle temps between the bios reading and os reading  to get an idea

06:30 <MTughan> Well, I don't know which sensor the BIOS reports. This is a quad-core, so it has 5 measurements in all.

06:30 <Soul_keeper> i dunno either

06:31 <Soul_keeper> could be an average of the 4 cores ...

06:31 <MTughan> And I'm almost 100% sure one of the measurements from SpeedFan is off... When idle, it say one reading was 19C. Ambient at that point was maybe 17-18C.

06:31 <MTughan> said*

06:32 <hawmps> 'lo

06:32 <MTughan> 'lo Doug

06:34 <hawmps> IP kill >> 221.204.251.32

06:34 <hawmps> and 221.6.37.59

06:35 <wdsmia> Michael if you keep calling Jay, Doug, someone is going to get smacked

06:35 <wdsmia> morning Jay

06:36 <MTughan> Dammit... Sorry.

06:36 <MTughan> hawmps: 'lo Jay

06:36 <MTughan> wdsmia: 'lo Doug

06:37 <MTughan> Gotta keep your alternate nicks straight in my head.

06:37 <hawmps> yeah... all that

06:47 <ELGono> why does the postman always ring while taking a shower

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07:45 <hawmps> ugly weather here..

07:46 <hawmps> frz rain/ice

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08:49 <sv2_> morning.....

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08:51 <sv2_> when an aplication is added to a boinc server project... does the app have to be 'signed'?

08:51 <sv2_> one of the sites/articles i've seen, suggested that each file in the dif of the app has to be signed..

08:52 <PovAddict> yes it does

08:52 <PovAddict> hold on switching to a sane IRC

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08:52 <sv2_> in the dir...

08:52 <sv2_> ok....

08:53 <PovAdct_w> update_versions will sign the app files for you if they aren't already signed

08:53 <PovAdct_w> there are security implications to signing stuff directly on the server, but it doesn't really matter for a non-public project

08:53 <Soul_keeper> just ran the opengl demo suit in phoronix-test-suite

08:53 <Soul_keeper> very impressive

08:53 <sv2_> so i only need to run 'update_versions' after the files are in the dir.. and i'll get a sig file for each file?

08:54 <Soul_keeper> i didn't realize stuff other than porn could look so good on my screen :)

08:54 <Soul_keeper> http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/

08:54 <Romulus> Title: Phoronix Test Suite - Linux Testing & Benchmarking Platform (at www.phoronix-test-suite.com)

08:54 <PovAdct_w> Soul_keeper: all good benchmarks and demos are Windows-only

08:55 <PovAdct_w> and now that I'm on a Windows PC, you find a cool Linux-only one? :/

08:55 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - can you walk me through exactly what/how i create files for work units?

08:55 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: I have a suggestion before that

08:55 <PovAdct_w> have you ever used the BOINC client?

08:55 <sv2_> it appears that i need a workunit file, for each input/output file my app might need?

08:55 <Soul_keeper> PovAdct_w, nope

08:56 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - never!

08:56 <Soul_keeper> try that one and see if you still think that

08:56 <PovAdct_w> Soul_keeper: well I'm on Windows now :)

08:56 <sv2_> this is my very 1st test with boinc..

08:56 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: I suggest you install the client on your PC, attach to an existing project, and see how it works...

08:56 <Soul_keeper> phoronix are the people heavy into writing open source 3d drivers

08:57 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: otherwise it's like making a website without having ever used a web browser

08:57 <sv2_> i'm attempting to follow/craft an understanding based on the various sites/articles that i'm finding..

08:57 <hawmps> 2

08:58 <KathrynM> heh.  I've used a web browser and I'm not having much luck with the website building thing :)

08:58 <KathrynM> PovAdct_w, I got moved from aquaman to venom

08:59 <KathrynM> :)

08:59 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: testing

08:59 <PovAdct_w> loads at least

08:59 <KathrynM> yeah

08:59 <PovAdct_w> so you got *those* technical problems off the way

08:59 <KathrynM> so now how do I get something besides a directory listing now?

08:59 <PovAdct_w> well the blog works

08:59 <KathrynM> heh, and I got my account upgraded to unlimited disk and bandwidth

08:59 <PovAdct_w> unlimited?

08:59 <KathrynM> nothing in the gallergy yet

09:00 <KathrynM> yup

09:00 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - in my experience.. not sure i agree with your analogy... but i see where you're going..

09:00 <KathrynM> I did see I can use digicam to upload

09:00 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: shouldn't take you long to try out the client... after all, it's *supposed* to be easy enough for the average Windows lemming

09:01 <sv2_> i've modified the guts of lots of code in my day.. without ever having used the entire app!!

09:01 <PovAdct_w> (not that it succeeds so much at the goal of being easy, but anyway)

09:01 <KathrynM> lol

09:02 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: you also have some stuff to do on the blog... I see you imported the entries but did you also move the comments? (if that's even possible)

09:02 <KathrynM> dunno about the comments.  I exported the xml from wp.com and then imported into my new blog

09:03 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - so you're saying that running a client, attaching to a project will let me understand the relationship between a project 'foo' and the work unit (input/output) files...ie, the wu_templates/result_templates

09:03 <KathrynM> I didn't really look because when I was ready to start working on it, aquaman drown

09:03 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: it will at least give you some info on how the whole system works...

09:04 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: what's a project with short WUs that currently has work? I'd suggest PrimeGrid but that would need messing with subprojects to pick a short one

09:04 <KathrynM> hmmm

09:06 <KathrynM> I'd say PG or Rosetta and create the account on the web.  Then pick either the sub project or set the runtime pref at Rosie to an hour

09:06 <KathrynM> MW isn't too bad.

09:06 <KathrynM> Windows app seems faster than the Linux one

09:06 <KathrynM> they're sub 1-hr on the AMD at work

09:06 <KathrynM> 1.5 hours on my Core Duo at home

09:09 <Soul_keeper> what's that ?

09:09 <Romulus> or what drives many of the ATA crowd

09:09 <KathrynM> milkyway

09:10 <Soul_keeper> ahhh i havn't tryed that one yet

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09:11 <Soul_keeper> "Milkyway@home is a research project that uses Internet-connected computers to do research in modeling and determining the evolution of the Milkyway galaxy. You can participate by downloading and running a free program on your computer. "    sounds fun

09:11 <Soul_keeper> all i use is linux tho, so i might not wanna try it if it's not as good

09:12 <Soul_keeper> i'm looking for a project with fast wu's to throw on my 1800+ athlon,  many of the stuff it gets take 20+ hrs to complete

09:12 <KathrynM> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=36872

09:12 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8ybvsy> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

09:13 <KathrynM> http://milkyway.cs.rpi.edu/milkyway/show_host_detail.php?hostid=41339

09:13 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/axbzgp> (at milkyway.cs.rpi.edu)

09:13 <KathrynM> my two linux hosts

09:13 <PovAdct_w> Soul_keeper: well just short WUs isn't the point... you want a good WU length vs deadline ratio :)

09:13 <KathrynM> at least it'll give you an idea

09:13 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php

09:13 <Romulus> Title: BOINC: compute for science (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

09:13 <Soul_keeper> that'd be good too

09:14 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - that's the client download right?

09:14 <PovAdct_w> I don't care if a project takes 10 days per WU to run on my Pentium 4

09:14 <Soul_keeper> einstein used to be great for my 1800+  it would do the wu's in like 1hr and get lots of credit,  now they take 16hrs and more

09:15 <Soul_keeper> maybe i need another use for the system, it's just getting too slow for boinc

09:15 <Soul_keeper> the credit/watt ratio is not there anymore

09:15 <PovAdct_w> yes sv2_

09:20 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - pretty sure i already have the client.. since i did the boinc build/compile process.. i've got a client/client_gui in the dir tree..

09:21 <sv2_> all of this is on linux by the way..

09:21 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: when compiling the server you probably used (or should have used :D) --disable-client

09:21 <KathrynM> details :)

09:22 <KathrynM> so it's not barfing at autosetup anymore?

09:22 <PovAdct_w> and to get the GUI built you need a bunch of libraries

09:22 <KathrynM> a metric ton :)

09:22 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: hmm no they haven't fixed that yet

09:23 <PovAdct_w> maybe sv2_ used the server_stable tag which has none of the client translation mess

09:23 <PovAdct_w> or he checked out the code a while ago

09:23 <KathrynM> ah

09:23 <KathrynM> true

09:23 <KathrynM> makes my regression testing script run really fast :)

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09:24 <KathrynM> PovAdct_w, did you read Paul's email :)

09:24 <PovAdct_w> I haven't checked my mail yet

09:33 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - nope.. i assumed that not disbaling the client/server would then generate both!

09:33 <sv2_> didn't see anything in the docs one way or the other on this!!

09:33 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: that's correct, not using any setting makes it build both

09:33 <sv2_> i checked the stable code out a few days ago..

09:42 <PovAdct_w> what is the 'server' you're using?

09:42 <PovAdct_w> same machine you're IRCing from? :)

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09:43 <KathrynM> <------ sleep

09:43 * KathrynM crosses her fingers

09:43 <PovAdct_w> bye

09:43 <KathrynM> ttyl

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09:47 <sv2_> PovAdct_w -???? not sure what yo mean by the question??

09:48 <PovAdct_w> where did you install the BOINC server? is it the same computer you're using now to chat?

09:48 <sv2_> no... the server is on an amd dual core 4Gmem/fedora.. the chat is a win2000 box..

09:50 <sv2_> i'm looking at the files for the hello sample/test app.. regarding the workunit/template files.. from both the tar.gz files from the cern site.. and what i have in my templates dir..

09:50 <sv2_> mind if i post the chunks of the files to pastebin with my questions?

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10:02 <PovAdct_w> install the BOINC client for Windows on your win2000 box (so you get the BOINC GUI)

10:18 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - my question at the moment.. is how does one know what values/which values to insert in the workunit/results wu files?

10:19 <sv2_> as an example.. i'm looking at the hello_re.xml, world_wu.xml files for the hello app example..

10:19 <PovAdct_w> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/JobIn

10:19 <Romulus> Title: JobIn - BOINC - Trac (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

10:19 <PovAdct_w> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/WorkGeneration#templates

10:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/7qu584> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

10:21 <sv2_> the hello_re.xml is similar to the uc_result that i have in the hello/templates dir i created for the app..

10:21 <sv2_> however, the world_wu.xml (from the gz) is different from the uc_wu that i have..

10:22 <sv2_> i'll check the urls you posted..

10:22 <PovAdct_w> in your case, the workunit file would list no input files

10:24 <sv2_> right.. for the hello app..

10:24 <sv2_> in fact.. the resource estimates could also appear to be 0 as well..

10:25 <PovAdct_w> you should enter a small number

10:26 <PovAdct_w> remember like a thousand million rsc_fpops_est means 1 second of processing on modern CPUs

10:27 <sv2_> right...

10:28 <sv2_> but my targeted app is pretty much all text parsing.. no math ops...

10:28 <PovAdct_w> text parsing uses CPU anyway :)

10:28 <PovAdct_w> either way, your app has special needs (little CPU, lots of network)

10:28 <sv2_> i'm considering a crawler...

10:29 <sv2_> right... i assumed the fpop was "floating ops"

10:29 <sv2_> got it...

10:29 <sv2_> !!

10:29 <sv2_> so what i really need..is someone who's already got a good deal of boinc/app creation experience.. and to hire them for a few hours..

10:30 <PovAdct_w> rsc_fpops_est / estimated fpops the client computer can do = estimated time the WU will take to run

10:30 <sv2_> or a couple of bottles of an ok wine!

10:30 <PovAdct_w> I just used my Linux machine to build the hello app for Windows :)

10:31 <sv2_> so PovAdct_w - let's assume that i have 100 unique crawling apps..

10:32 <sv2_> hmm...

10:32 <PovAdct_w> http://stuff.povaddict.com.ar/nicolas/hello.exe

10:33 <sv2_> can a boinc client/app, running on a local machine, spawn a 3rd party app/process already resident on the local box..

10:38 <sv2_> hey.. just ran the linux boincclient.. spit out some screen.. then sat there..

10:51 <PovAdct_w> yeah you have to use boinccmd to control the running client

10:51 <PovAdct_w> that's why I said it would be better if you install it on Windows where you have the GUI

10:53 <PovAdct_w> as for boinc apps spawning other processes

10:53 <PovAdct_w> it depends...

10:53 <PovAdct_w> on Windows, depending on the installation method, it may be running in quite a limited sandbox

11:06 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - all of the targeted 'client' machines would be linux...

11:07 <sv2_> i'm considering running a boinc system, using linux images over the amazon ec2 system.. in this case, i control all of the client configurations, as they would essentially be images..

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11:16 <sv2_> has anyone ever used boinc/amazon yet??

11:23 <mchelen> is there a boinc ami?

11:23 <PovAdct_w> ami?

11:23 <mchelen> that is the amazon ec2 machine image format

11:24 <mchelen> there are alot made by the community, might be a boinc one made already

11:25 <mchelen> http://exprexxo.net/wiki/index.php?title=Seti_ami

11:25 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/9vuquz> (at exprexxo.net)

11:25 <PovAdct_w> it's still a good idea to bundle it with the account file so it's already attached to the project you want

11:25 <PovAdct_w> can you modify ami images?

11:26 <mchelen> yeah you can modify whatever and build a new one

11:26 <mchelen> also there are some other ways to customize it like loading a ram image or files from s3

11:27 <mchelen> idk which method is best but one should work :)

11:28 <mchelen> yeah it looks like they suggest attaching it to your project and then generating the new ami image

11:31 <hawmps> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090107.html

11:31 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 7 - The Galactic Core in Infrared (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

11:31 <hawmps> cool shot

11:33 <PovAdct_w> understatement.. wow

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11:50 <hawmps> makes a nice desktop background

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12:16 <sv2_> ok... how do i attach to my test project, using the linux boinc_client from the cmd line..

12:17 <sv2_> the '--attach_project' uses the url/key... what would these be?

12:22 <PovAddict> you don't have an account yet; like I said, it would be easier to start with the GUI (so install it on Windows; you can't really get the GUI on the server accessing it remotely can you?)

12:23 <sv2_> so you're saying that each client has to setup an account with the boinc server?

12:25 <sv2_> i'm looking at the url/browser mgmt page...

12:25 <PovAddict> no, each user... in your case, all clients could run on the same account

12:25 <sv2_> how is this set up...

12:25 <sv2_> is it on the browser/mgmt page/app..

12:26 <PovAddict> *that* is why I told you to download the Windows client and attach to an existing project :)

12:27 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

12:27 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 6:20 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:30 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:12 F.; Clear. High:24 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:17 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.;

12:28 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

12:36 <sv2_> PovAddict - i don't want to restart the windows box yet...which i have to do, in order to run the windows client

12:37 <sv2_> but, when i'm looking at the cmdline boinc_client help, it indicates that it requires a 'key'..

12:37 <sv2_> i assume that i'd still need this key with the windows gui , yes/no??

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12:52 <sv2_> hmm... do i have to modify the project.inc file.. in order to be able to send emails out?

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13:16 <jackygrahamez> hi

13:16 <jackygrahamez> um I'm having issues

13:17 <jackygrahamez> with my scheduler

13:17 <jackygrahamez> http://alpha.hydrogenathome.org/hydrogen_cgi/

13:18 <jackygrahamez> http://alpha.hydrogenathome.org/hydrogen_cgi/cgi

13:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/9eakcf> (at alpha.hydrogenathome.org)

13:18 <jackygrahamez> Server can't open log file

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13:55 <jackygrahamez> looks like a permission issue?

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14:45 <sv2_> hi PovAddict - downloaded/installed the windows client...

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14:46 <sv2_> but i can't seem to connect to the client/url for my test hello app..i'm looking at the url for the app from the admin page..

14:46 <jackygrahamez> Hi sv2_

14:46 <sv2_> hey jack!!!

14:46 <jackygrahamez> I run into permission issues every time I do this

14:47 <sv2_> i just found 3 of my linux boxes..dead/fried!!

14:47 <jackygrahamez> what???

14:47 <sv2_> they were old... but it just accelerated my timeline!

14:48 <sv2_> i've got a test app.. the hello app that i mentioned to you...

14:48 <jackygrahamez> do u have a file under PROJECT/html/user/scheduler.txt

14:49 <jackygrahamez> if you click the url in that file it should tell you if the scheduler is working

14:49 <sv2_> schedulers.txt...

14:50 <sv2_> what is the scheduler?

14:50 <Romulus> Somebody said the scheduler is your only public server. No client is allowed to connect to the database directly, sv2_

14:50 <jackygrahamez> thats the one

14:50 <jackygrahamez> do you have a domain name for your server by the way?

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14:51 <sv2_> internal to my firewall...

14:51 <jackygrahamez> right

14:51 <sv2_> the realy box that i was using.. was one of the boxes that has died..

14:51 <jackygrahamez> so if other computers on the network try to ping it will they reach it?

14:51 <sv2_> i do....

14:52 <sv2_> yes...

14:52 <sv2_> but for some reason.. the schedulers/txt has localhost.localdomain..

14:52 <sv2_> so i have a config isssue somewhere..

14:53 <jackygrahamez> Yes I think the other computers on your network will need to use a different domain name than localhost

14:53 <sv2_> right....

14:53 <sv2_> but i don't know where in the project to make the correction..

14:53 <PovAddict> btw, BOINC6 asks for a reboot because it adds user accounts

14:53 <sv2_> might be the config.xml..

14:54 <PovAddict> secret is, you don't really have to reboot, you can also logout and back in

14:55 <jackygrahamez> on my fedora 8 box I can change the hostname here /etc/sysconfig/network

14:55 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: make_project looked at your hostname and stored it in config files as part of URLs

14:55 <PovAddict> changing the hostname won't magically go and fix the config files

14:56 <jackygrahamez> no but he might want to recreate the project

14:56 <sv2_> where does make_project look to find the ip/sysname?

14:57 <PovAddict> probably your system hostname

14:57 <sv2_> is it looking at the /etc/host file?

14:57 <PovAddict> you can change it anyway

14:57 <PovAddict> make_project has lots of options

14:58 <sv2_> so i changed the config.xml... changed the localhost...

14:58 <PovAddict> changing the system hostname usually brings problems, I've always had to reboot to fix that stuff

14:58 <PovAddict> sv2_: config.xml and html/user/schedulers.txt have to have URLs that clients can access

14:59 <jackygrahamez> since its an internal network where will the domain names be registered?

14:59 <zombie67> ugh.  The most dangerous thing you can do to a computer is cycle the power.  I just lost a Pentium D that way

14:59 <PovAddict> :|

15:00 <sv2_> pov... the schedulers.txt does...

15:00 <sv2_> as does the config.xml..

15:00 <PovAddict> and what does the client (not) do?

15:00 <sv2_> i just changed the config.xml...

15:00 <sv2_> is there something i have to run, now that i changed the config.xml file..

15:01 <sv2_> the admin page still has the localhost stuf..

15:01 <PovAddict> oh crap

15:01 <PovAddict> the download URLs for the app were added to the database when you ran update_versions

15:01 <PovAddict> hmph

15:01 <sv2_> so should i run.. bin/update_versions again..

15:01 <PovAddict> changing the URL of a project is always problematic, a hundred places to update

15:02 <jackygrahamez> how about dump the project & the database?

15:02 <PovAddict> maybe you're better off creating the project again with make_project

15:03 <PovAddict> pass --delete_prev_inst and --drop_db_first to make_project

15:03 <PovAddict> same project name as your current test

15:03 <jackygrahamez> whats his url?

15:03 <sv2_> right... but what do i need to do to have the correct url?

15:03 <PovAddict> jackygrahamez: not public

15:03 <sv2_> instead of the localhost.localdomain..

15:03 <PovAddict> --url_base to make_project

15:04 <PovAddict> the main project page will be on URL_BASE/PROJECT/

15:04 <PovAddict> admin in URL_BASE/PROJECT_ops/

15:04 <PovAddict> default URL base is http://<hostname>/

15:04 <jackygrahamez> yeah but his hostname is localhost

15:04 <PovAddict> then he changes the URL base and he's done :)

15:05 <PovAddict> I always have to change it

15:05 <PovAddict> since my hostname is 'ubuntu' and there is no way you can use that name to access my machine from the outside Internet

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15:24 <sv2_> ok.. back now...

15:25 <sv2_> whew....

15:25 <sv2_> in the admin page.. i can now see the http://192.168.1.45/boinc.... for the test client/app..

15:30 <sv2_> arrgghhh... when i use the windows client.. i enter the url as listed on the admin page

15:31 <jackygrahamez> I don't think the client really works with ip addresses, correct me if I'm wrong

15:31 <jackygrahamez> I think you need to have a hostname registered on the domain

15:31 <jackygrahamez> I've never ran it over a local network so I'm not sure how to do that

15:32 <jackygrahamez> do you have a domain name server on your intranet?

15:33 <sv2_> i do... but it still doesn't make a difference

15:34 <sv2_> says... "the url you supplied is not that of a boinc project"

15:34 <jackygrahamez> did you use the ip address for the url?

15:34 <sv2_> i tried using the uppercase test app as well.. same thing..

15:35 <sv2_> i used both the ipaddress// as well as the domain url..

15:35 <PovAddict> can you get to the page from a browser on the Windows machine?

15:35 <sv2_> http://192.168.1.45/boinctest2......   http://toshiba.tmesa.com/boinctest2...

15:35 <sv2_> i can.. looking at it now..

15:36 <sv2_> the dns works... the internal network isn't an issue..

15:37 <PovAddict> if the browser works, boinc should work... maybe it can't access anything?

15:38 <PovAddict> enter this URL in boinc attach project wizard instead: http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/

15:38 <Romulus> Title: Leiden Classical (at boinc.gorlaeus.net)

15:38 <sv2_> here's a pastebin of the uppercase page from the admin browser http://pastebin.com/m6652b82a

15:38 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

15:39 <PovAddict> if BOINC says "not the URL of a boinc project", it doesn't even know there are apps

15:39 <PovAddict> all it did was fetch whateveryoutyped/get_project_config.php

15:39 <PovAddict> like http://boinc.gorlaeus.net/get_project_config.php

15:39 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/79kban> (at boinc.gorlaeus.net)

15:41 <sv2_> i should be inserting/using the url as displaued in the pastebin page right?? <url>....</url>

15:42 <jackygrahamez> yeah I got mine working http://alpha.hydrogenathome.org/hydrogen_cgi/cgi

15:42 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/9eakcf> (at alpha.hydrogenathome.org)

15:42 <PovAddict> you should be using what your config.xml has as "master_url"

15:44 <jackygrahamez> I'm heading out. Good luck sv2_

15:44 <sv2_> right.. which has http://192.168.1.45:/boinctest2

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15:44 <sv2_> thanks jack!!

15:44 <sv2_> i'm looking at the http.conf files...

15:46 <sv2_> nope.. appears to be ok...

15:47 <sv2_> i've opened up the permissions.. 777 on everything...

15:47 <PovAddict> http://192.168.1.45/boinctest2/get_project_config.php loads on a browser?

15:47 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/77unrz> (at 192.168.1.45)

15:48 <sv2_> i've set the own.. chown boincadm:boinc -R * so everything is owned by boincadm... apache is part of the boinc group.

15:48 <sv2_> PovAddict - yes.. displays the xml..

15:49 <PovAddict> did you try attaching to a different project?

15:52 <sv2_> i've tried attaching to both the hello, and the test uppercase app..

15:53 <PovAddict> I meant a project like

15:53 <PovAddict> SETI@Home

15:53 <sv2_> oh... didn't try.. i can give it a shot..

15:54 <sv2_> that connects... but it just displays the url...

15:54 <sv2_> hmm...

15:56 <sv2_> PovAddict - need you to help me out here.....

15:56 <PovAddict> are you in advanced view in the BOINC Manager?

15:56 <sv2_> when i simply used the url "http://192.168.1.45/boinctest2" i connected..

15:56 <PovAddict> the so-called simple view is quite an abomination

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15:56 <sv2_> i was able to then signin...

15:57 <sv2_> however.. i thought i actually have two projects on the boinc server.. the hello app, and the uppercase app..

15:57 <sv2_> is there a way to specify which one i want to run?

15:57 <PovAddict> you mean two apps in the same project?

15:58 <PovAddict> if you actually created two projects, it doesn't matter what server they are in

15:58 <PovAddict> each project has its own URL

15:58 <PovAddict> and they have to be attached separately

15:59 <sv2_> so there'd be a boinctest1, boinctest2, ....

15:59 <sv2_> not separated in the 'apps' folder...

16:00 <PovAddict> you *can* have multiple apps in the same project

16:00 <sv2_> so what can i see on the boinc server box, to tell that i actually ran the hello app..

16:01 <sv2_> but i'm assuming the multiple apps on a project, would be app1, app2,...

16:01 <sv2_> which is not the same as separate projects..

16:03 <xcamel> ip kill > dovecot hack >> 203.161.254.168

16:06 <xcamel> 'lo, btw

16:15 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

16:15 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 22.5F / -5.3C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy. Colder. Scattered flurries in the late morning and early afternoon. High in the mid 20s. Temperature steady or slowly falling in the afternoon. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around (1 more message)

16:15 <wdsmia_w> &more

16:15 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: 30 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low 10 to 15. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.; Thursday - Partly sunny. High in the upper 20s. West wind around 5 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.;

16:22 <xcamel> 'lo Doug

16:22 <wdsmia_w> *lo Jay

16:22 <xcamel> long duration spooge-fest storm here.

16:26 <wdsmia_w> doesnt look like theres much sun for your solar panels

16:26 <xcamel> no, not hardly.

16:31 <PovAddict> send me some panels and run a cable through here

16:33 <PovAddict> whew

16:33 <PovAddict> caught up with mailing list

16:33 <PovAddict> that message from Paul was indeed giant

16:33 <xcamel> 'lo Nic

16:39 <xcamel> pdb message >> 'epic opus'

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16:53 <sv2_> so what can i see on the boinc server box, to tell that i actually ran the hello app..

16:56 <sv2_> hi PovAddict - should the output file from the hello app be in my boin server somewhere??

16:58 <CoderForLife> greetings all

16:59 <CoderForLife> thx for the dovecot sploink, xcamel

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17:04 <CoderForLife> anybody home?

17:04 <sv2_> hey..

17:04 <CoderForLife> hey sv2_

17:06 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:06 <xcamel> where you been?

17:09 <xcamel> woha... bad lag...

17:10 <xcamel> &ping

17:10 <Romulus> pong

17:12 <xcamel> &wx 12074

17:12 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 32.6F / 0.3C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.21in / 989.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Snow and freezing rain or occasional rain or sleet this evening...then a chance of snow showers after midnight. Total snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows in the upper 20s. Light and variable (2 more messages)

17:12 <PovAddict> :|

17:13 <xcamel> &more

17:13 <Romulus> xcamel: winds...becoming west 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 80 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Near steady temperature in the upper 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of snow showers in the evening...then partly cloudy after midnight. Cooler (1 more message)

17:13 <xcamel> &more

17:13 <Romulus> xcamel: with lows around 15. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Winter Weather Advisory for Saratoga County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 08, 2009;

17:13 <PovAddict> sv2_: if anything ran, you'd have seen it in the client too

17:13 <xcamel> formatting a 173gb replacement drive for the winbox

17:14 <PovAddict> sv2_: http://192.168.1.45/boinctest2/results.php?hostid=1

17:14 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8x7z3c> (at 192.168.1.45)

17:20 <sv2_> hey pov... the client is doing something!!

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17:20 <sv2_> however.. i think it's the uppercase client.

17:20 <sv2_> when i check the admin page... i see a number of tasks/processes that have been, i guess completed/run...

17:22 <sv2_> but given that the hello app generates an output file.. does that file get copied back to the master boinc server?

17:22 <sv2_> and if so... where would it reside?

17:23 <PovAddict> uppercase client?

17:23 <PovAddict> did you use --beta_app?

17:23 <PovAddict> or test-app whatever it's called

17:24 <PovAddict> I complained long against make_project --test_app

17:25 <PovAddict> it gets you a fully functional project with all the components enabled and working, and gives you no information on how anything works

17:25 <PovAddict> it just *does stuff*

17:25 <PovAddict> while setting everything up by hand at least you learn what each part is supposed to do

17:26 <PovAddict> effectively the "learn by doing" disappears

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17:29 <CoderForLife> hey Jay

17:29 <CoderForLife> just got off the phone with NetZero

17:30 <CoderForLife> when I cancelled my sister's dialup access after she got home from the nursing home, they switched me to NetZero 3G instead of cancelling all service

17:31 <CoderForLife> I just got that cancelled and a credit for 2 months "service"

17:32 <xcamel> go figure..

17:32 <CoderForLife> thanks for "missing" me - been busy the last 2 days with an out-of-town vendor visitor - we went out to dinner last night

17:32 <CoderForLife> all done - they're on their way to Hartford

17:32 <CoderForLife> mentioned a lot of ice expected

17:33 <xcamel> some ISP's have their own special level of hell waiting for them in the hereafter...

17:33 <CoderForLife> indeed so, sir

17:33 <CoderForLife> my next step was going to be a chargeback

17:33 <xcamel> did you catch my photo of part of the solar array?

17:34 <CoderForLife> no I didn't

17:34 <CoderForLife> do tell

17:34 <xcamel> http://lrllamas.com/solar.jpg

17:34 <xcamel> that's 1/2 of it..

17:34 <CoderForLife> looking

17:35 <xcamel> er... 1/3 even

17:35 <CoderForLife> wow  that's great

17:35 <CoderForLife> it's going to be huge

17:35 <CoderForLife> how many kW?

17:35 <xcamel> 60+

17:35 <CoderForLife> zounds

17:36 <CoderForLife> you going to switch anything like forklifts to electric?

17:36 <xcamel> solectra 63 KW digital inverter, direct to internal grid

17:36 <xcamel> we use all it can make

17:38 <xcamel> I get a better picture one of these days - the total is 7200 SqFt

17:38 <CoderForLife> ah, for normal ulilities - do you do any milling?

17:39 <xcamel> a little..

17:39 <xcamel> it shaves the demand loads

17:39 * CoderForLife feels foolish asking that of a lumberman

17:39 <CoderForLife> very cool

17:39 <CoderForLife> how long to payback?

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17:40 <xcamel> really.. we hardly do any anymore. countertops, window/door assembly is about it

17:40 <CoderForLife> heh

17:42 <CoderForLife> lol  Leon Panetta gets Sandy Berger endorsement

17:43 <xcamel> Smokey Bear endorses Flame Throwers.

17:44 <CoderForLife> lol  zackly

17:46 <xcamel> LP couldn't even figure his boss was "doing the monica" right under his nose...

17:47 <CoderForLife> he'll make a fine cheif of intelligence

17:49 <CoderForLife> not a chief

17:51 <Tidus> http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/56641

17:51 <xcamel> there is a good joke in there somewhere..

17:51 <Romulus> Title: Study: Tetris Helps to Reduce Post-traumatic Stress - Shacknews - PC Games, PlayStation, Xbox 360 and Wii video game news, previews and downloads (at www.shacknews.com)

17:53 <xcamel> CIA... Chef... Cordon Bleu

17:56 <CoderForLife> Chia

17:56 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:56 <CoderForLife> hello Iowa Ice Man

17:56 <xcamel> Headline: "In State of State, Paterson Renews Call for Federal Stimulus"

17:57 <xcamel> my reply... "Clinton, or Spitzer?"

17:57 <KathrynM> mr CoderForLife hello

17:57 <CoderForLife> lol  I was thinking the same thing xcamel

17:57 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM of Linux

17:58 <KathrynM> lol

17:59 <KathrynM> Found out yesterday I get a new class next week.

17:59 <KathrynM> We're going to be reading "Charlotte's Web"

17:59 <KathrynM> I'm excited.

17:59 <xcamel> new kids?

17:59 <KathrynM> nope

17:59 <KathrynM> not new to me

17:59 <xcamel> great story

17:59 <KathrynM> I had them when they were in the kindergarten

18:00 <KathrynM> Yeah, that's why I picked it.

18:00 <xcamel> "Hellraiser" would be more fun...

18:00 <xcamel> oh...wait...

18:00 <KathrynM> lol

18:01 <xcamel> 'such a pretty puzzle box...'

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18:10 <CoderForLife> I'm going to crawl away - mud-wrestling with vendors is very tiring

18:10 <CoderForLife> tc boinclanders near and far

18:10 <CoderForLife> gn

18:12 <xcamel> laterz then..

18:18 <MTughan> Uh, just wow... Preliminary results, but it looks like lowering the voltage by 0.0125V in the BIOS resulted in a 15C drop along all 4 cores.

18:18 <MTughan> 0.016V drop as reported by CPU-Z.

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18:47 <sv2_> hi PovAddict - i'm back.. had to run out for a sec... i just read your statement on the test_case (uppercase)... i had thought it would be ok to run both apps the uppercase, and the hello...

18:47 <PovAddict> sv2_: yes, the problem with using test_app your first time is... psychological let's say

18:48 <PovAddict> you get a fully working server, processing uppercase workunits

18:48 <PovAddict> yet you'd have no idea how to add your own app to it

18:48 <sv2_> i'm going to remove the reference to the uppercase from the config.xml/projects.xml files... this will leave just the hello app..

18:49 <PovAddict> if you have to go through the xadd/update_versions mess yourself since the beginning, by the time you add a real app (ie. not hello) you'd already know how :)

18:49 <sv2_> however.. i still don't know exactly how i can tell that the hello app has run on the client, ie, is a file supposed to be sent back to the boinc server .. the 'output' file??

18:49 <PovAddict> find upload -type f

18:50 <PovAddict> when a workunit finishes and gets uploaded, the file stays somewhere in the upload dir of the server

18:50 <sv2_> ok.. so there really should be an 'output' file on the boinc server...

18:50 <sv2_> or whatever the hello app called its output..

18:50 <PovAddict> no, the 'output' name is only used client-side; once it's uploaded, it will be called workunitname_0

18:51 <sv2_> ohh....

18:51 <sv2_> and i didn't know there was even an upload dir!!

18:52 <sv2_> umm.. where would the upload dir be?

18:52 <PovAddict> same place as config.xml

18:54 <sv2_> got it.. just found it... hmm.. nothing's there... guess the hello never worked..

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19:16 <CoderForLife> &wx Hartford CT

19:16 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.2F / 0.1C | Humidity: 96% | Pressure: 29.08in / 984.6hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Rain and freezing rain likely this evening... then a slight chance of snow showers after midnight. Little or no snow accumulation. Near steady temperature in the lower 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 (2 more messages)

19:17 <CoderForLife> &more

19:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph...becoming west 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 70 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Cooler with lows around 17. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.; Winter (1 more message)

19:17 <CoderForLife> &more

19:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Storm Warning for Hartford County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on January 08, 2009;

19:21 <xcamel> he's back...

19:22 * CoderForLife looks around

19:23 <CoderForLife> off to lay on the bed with the TV on an...  Zzzzzz

19:23 <CoderForLife> re-gn

19:24 <xcamel> already did the 19.25 minute power nap.

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19:43 <efc> &wx 31088

19:43 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 55F / 13C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 29.79in / 1009hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy with a 20 percent chance of showers in the afternoon. Windy. Lows in the upper 30s. West winds 20 to 25 mph becoming southwest 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Sunny...windy. Highs in the lower 60s. West winds 15 to 25 mph.; (1 more message)

19:56 <xcamel> even freezin here, after a full day of ugly.

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20:18 <xcamel> conectile dysfunction...

20:36 <sv2_> hey... how do you stop all boinc related processes...

20:37 <sv2_> short of going through the ps tbl.

20:37 <xcamel> what platform?

20:37 <sv2_> fedora

20:37 <xcamel> killall boinc

20:38 <xcamel> should work

20:38 <sv2_> nope...

20:38 <xcamel> killall boinc*

20:38 <sv2_> i've got processes like feeder, etcx...

20:38 <xcamel> started as child procs?

20:39 <sv2_> daemons started from the config.xml...

20:39 <xcamel> you might have to write a kill script.

20:39 <sv2_> not sure what/where they get initiated..

20:42 <PovAddict> ./bin/stop

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21:50 <xcamel> wow - got really foggy out

21:51 <XioNYC> &wx JFK

21:51 <MTughan> Ballmer's saying that in the future, everything you use will be connected by the Internet.

21:51 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 39F / 4C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.14in / 987hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Rain early...then a chance of rain this evening. Windy with lows in the mid 30s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph...becoming west 25 to 35 mph with gusts around 45 mph. Chance of rain 80 percent.; Thursday - Partly (2 more messages)

21:51 <MTughan> CES keynote is streaming live.

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21:53 <xcamel> &more XioNYC

21:53 <Romulus> xcamel: sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Windy with highs in the upper 30s. West winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts around 45 mph in the morning...decreasing to 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy and windy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.; Wind Advisory for Queens County (1 more message)

21:53 <xcamel> &more XioNYC

21:53 <Romulus> xcamel: sunny in the morning...then becoming mostly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers. Windy with highs in the upper 30s. West winds 25 to 35 mph with gusts around 45 mph in the morning...decreasing to 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 40 mph.; Thursday Night - Mostly cloudy and windy. Lows in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 20 to 25 mph with gusts up to 35 mph.; Wind Advisory for Queens County (1 more message)

21:54 <xcamel> &more

21:54 <Romulus> xcamel: in effect until 12:00 PM EST on January 08, 2009;

21:54 <xcamel> laters..

21:55 <XioNYC> Later.

22:00 <MTughan> Windows 7 beta is available for registered developers now, to the general public on Friday.

22:08 <sv2_> ok... i'm still running into an issue trying to get the "hello" app to be run as a boinc aapp/project..

22:09 <sv2_> i run the client... and it's stating that "already attached to http://192.168.1.45/boinctest2/"...

22:10 <sv2_> and then it hangs a few lines later...

22:38 <sv2_> arrggh... now i'm getting a msg "scheduler request failed :http file not found"

22:38 <sv2_> anyone able to shed light on what the heck this means..

22:40 <jasong> Um, it means it expected a file and didn't find it?  have you verified that the file actually exists in that location?

22:41 * jasong hopes he hasn't accidentally insulted sv2

22:45 <sv2_> i would.. if i knew what the heck the file was it's screaming about!

22:45 <sv2_> hi jasong - you didn't insult me!!

22:45 <sv2_> i was looking at a different window... my bad..

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