IRC logs of #boinc for Thursday, 2009-01-08

00:14 <sv2_> anyone here...

00:26 * XioNYC isn't paying attention

00:36 <efc> moo

00:47 <sv2_> arrggh...

00:47 <sv2_> anyone around?

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01:04 * XioNYC still isn't paying much attention

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01:24 <sv2_> anyone around?

01:37 * XioNYC won't answer that question anymore.

01:56 <jasong> lol

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02:06 <MTughan> Stop distracting me, I've got to get off to bed...

02:07 <MTughan> :P

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02:10 <MTughan> Night FL, efc.

02:14 <FreeLarry> &nn MTughan

02:14 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

02:14 <efc> night

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03:33 <Soul_keeper> that felt good,  so kid was talking smack in UT  saying  "raped" and "faggot"      so i had to beat him down and tell him not to talk smack to people that are better players than him

03:34 <Soul_keeper> too many kids that can usually beat me, who talk like that.  feels good to finally be able to beat one of them

03:38 <Soul_keeper> "AMD is launching two new 45nm Phenom II CPUs today. There's the Phenom II X4 940 at 3.0GHz and the 920 at 2.8GHz."

03:46 <Soul_keeper> cache tripled and power reduced by nearly 20%

03:46 <Soul_keeper> it's a start

03:48 <mchelen> you have to find servers where the people aren't annoying :D

03:48 <mchelen> or have admin so you can kick them yourself

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04:02 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 27.5F / -2.5C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.54in / 1000.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy with scattered snow showers. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Thursday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 10 to 15 (1 more message)

04:02 <CoderForLife> &more

04:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: mph.; Thursday Night - Partly cloudy. Lows 15 to 20. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming southwest after midnight.;

04:17 <CoderForLife> plink,, - misc web server probes

04:27 <efc> moo

04:36 <Soul_keeper> just read the phenom II review/benchmarks

04:36 <Soul_keeper> it seems to just barely match the yorkfeild

04:36 <Soul_keeper> apparently they'll be releasing ddr3 models next month

04:37 <Soul_keeper> 6 core versions will be when things really get interesting ...

04:37 <CoderForLife> morning efc Soul_keeper

04:37 <Soul_keeper> hello

04:39 <CoderForLife> more plink

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05:05 <CoderForLife> time to start getting ready for w@#%

05:05 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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05:26 <Soul_keeper> "World Community Grid is down at this time because we are in the midst of moving our servers to a new location. This migration, which was announced in the forums and via email, should take about 48 hours starting on January 8th at 3:00 UTC. Please check back after that time."

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05:41 <CoderForLife> off to the saltus minus

05:41 <CoderForLife> laterz

05:45 <xcamel>,,,,,,

05:47 <xcamel>,,,,,,

05:48 <xcamel>,,,,,,,

05:49 <xcamel>,,,,

05:49 <xcamel> all webscans....

05:50 <CoderForLife> ok you win =)

05:52 <xcamel>

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05:52 <xcamel> they're still at it...

05:53 <CoderForLife> just finished a shell script with all those in ti

05:53 <CoderForLife> all splicked

05:54 <CoderForLife> thx

05:54 <CoderForLife> out the door...

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05:57 <amijai> hello

05:58 <amijai> I am trying to attach to seti on linux

05:58 <amijai> the boincmngr is all gray and cannot connect to get the status

05:59 <amijai> it just says error and no messages

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06:20 <Soul_keeper> wrote me a bash script to scan an image, then  ring 3 times and wait 30 seconds   before scanning another :)

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07:10 <hawmps> win7 download day tomorrow...

07:10 <hawmps> heh..

07:10 <Soul_keeper> i guess all the noobs will cause the internet to be slow all day then :(

07:14 <hawmps> only 3MM will be alowed, iirc.

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09:49 <sv2_> morning guys....

09:49 <jackygrahamez> hi

09:49 <jackygrahamez> you got everything under control?

09:49 <sv2_> PovAddict - are you around// jackygrahamez - are you around?!

09:50 <sv2_> hey jackygrahamez!!

09:50 <sv2_> nope.. but closer...

09:50 <jackygrahamez> are you boinc clients connecting to the server?

09:50 <sv2_> i discovered that there appears to be a problem/issue with the apache/httpd config...

09:50 <jackygrahamez> usually there are

09:50 <sv2_> i'm getting what essentially is a 404 error...

09:50 <jackygrahamez> What linux distribution?

09:51 <sv2_> i'll post to pastebin in a sec..

09:51 <sv2_> fedora...

09:51 <jackygrahamez> did you install it using yum?

09:52 <jackygrahamez> Well I usually install it using yum and that seems to be the most painless way

09:53 <jackygrahamez> or maybe I should say least painful way

09:53 <jackygrahamez> the other thing, don't create the project using root, I've got that drilled into my head through David

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10:03 <sv2_> hi jackygrahamez - here's the pastebin link --

10:03 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:04 <sv2_> i consistenly get the client error regardless of what machine i run the client on..

10:04 <sv2_> with the same apache err in the error logs..

10:05 <PovAdct_w> did you restart apache after adding that stuff?

10:05 <PovAdct_w> does /home/boincadm/projects/test2/cgi-bin exist?

10:05 <PovAdct_w> oops missed the file listing - it does exist

10:06 <PovAdct_w> schedulers.txt is wrong

10:06 <PovAdct_w> boinctest2_cgi is instead of boinctest2, not in addition to

10:06 <PovAdct_w>

10:09 <jackygrahamez> I could not open the pastebin

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10:10 <jackygrahamez> could you also give us your /etc/groups?

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10:28 <sv2_> PovAddict - sorry.. had to go outside for a sec...

10:28 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - yes. restarted apache...

10:29 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - sure..

10:30 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - here you go....

10:31 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:31 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: schedulers.txt is the problem

10:32 <sv2_> ok.. so it should be ... removing the boinctest2

10:32 <sv2_> cgi.. not vgi..

10:33 <PovAdct_w> yup

10:33 <PovAdct_w> try opening it in a browser

10:33 <sv2_> i thought the schedulers.txt was auto generated.. wonder how it got the boinctest2..

10:34 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - when i open the corrected url in the browser.. i get the xml.. with a shared mem err msg..

10:34 <PovAdct_w> shared mem? hmm... gotta ./bin/start the project

10:35 <PovAdct_w> going from a browser should give you an error about "no start tag" (because the browser obviously doesn't send the same request as the BOINC client would)

10:37 <sv2_> PovAdct_w -here's the paste

10:37 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:37 <sv2_> i'll try running an actual cmd client

10:37 <PovAdct_w> cd /home/boincadm/projects/test2; ./bin/start

10:38 <sv2_> right.. already started it again..

10:38 <sv2_> will it only run once... or continue to recyle...

10:38 <PovAdct_w> then it shouldn't be giving the shmem error

10:40 <sv2_> the client app is now running.. no errs...

10:40 <sv2_> but no output in the /home/boincadm/projects/test2/upload dir either..

10:41 <PovAdct_w> did the client ever get work?

10:41 <PovAdct_w> "Scheduler request succeeded: got X new tasks

10:41 <PovAdct_w> "

10:43 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - here's a paste of what i'm seeing on the client, running on a linuc/intel box --

10:43 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:43 <PovAdct_w> hmm

10:43 <PovAdct_w> pastebin your result template

10:44 <jackygrahamez> did you make any changes to your template? Did you create an input file?

10:44 <PovAdct_w> I believe hello app is creating an 'output' file and BOINC expects to find something else (like 'out') because that's what the output template says...

10:44 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: input-less app

10:44 <jackygrahamez> how are your creating your work?

10:44 <jackygrahamez> ok

10:47 <sv2_> here you go....

10:47 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:47 <sv2_> and yes... pov.. i think you're right....

10:48 <sv2_> but i didn't know/think if i had to match the output file names....

10:48 <jackygrahamez> so you are using the uppercase templates for the helloworld app

10:49 <sv2_> as far as i could tell/see.. they where essentially the same as the ones i had for the hello example..

10:49 <sv2_> with a few minor mods..

10:50 <sv2_> unless i missed something.. which is quite possible!

10:50 <jackygrahamez> can your run helloworld stand alone to see what it generates?

10:50 <sv2_> it generates an 'output' file..

10:50 <sv2_> named 'output'..

10:51 <jackygrahamez> <open_name>output</open_name>

10:51 <sv2_> ok...

10:51 <sv2_> but do i need to just rerun create_worl as well..

10:51 <sv2_> or can i just rerun the client...

10:52 <PovAdct_w> go to and see if you have any work left :)

10:52 <Romulus> <> (at

10:52 <PovAdct_w> actually... yes you have to create work again

10:52 <PovAdct_w> the existing work is already created with the wrong open_name

10:52 <jackygrahamez> yes but he may also need to cancel the existing work

10:52 <PovAdct_w> changes to a template would only take effect for new work you create later

10:54 <sv2_> here's a paste of the server_status.php page..

10:54 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

10:56 <sv2_> so do i just do a 'create_work', followed by a /bin/stop, bin/start

10:56 <jackygrahamez> can you open ?

10:56 <sv2_> it's open now..

10:57 <jackygrahamez> do you know how to cancel the old workunits?

10:57 <sv2_> nope.. but i think yo're about to tell me!

10:58 <jackygrahamez> if its configured correctly you should see a header for Project Management

10:58 <jackygrahamez> There should be a link on the right for cancel workunits

10:59 <sv2_> i'm getting an err that says i have to edit the cancel_wu_action.php by hand..

11:00 <jackygrahamez> you should also be able to see what workunits are currently created on the link for workunits

11:00 <jackygrahamez> right that's a fail safe

11:00 <jackygrahamez> so people know what they are doing before using it

11:01 <jackygrahamez> you can modify this file /html/ops/index.php

11:01 <jackygrahamez> you can modify this file PROJECT/html/ops/index.php

11:01 <sv2_> ok... it says it's cancelled...

11:01 <sv2_> the '1' workunit that is..

11:01 <jackygrahamez> good

11:02 <sv2_> so i do the 'create_work' now..

11:09 <sv2_> hmm... that didn't work!!!

11:10 <sv2_> i did a 'create_work'.. with the same params as before..

11:11 <jackygrahamez> you update the template file?

11:11 <jackygrahamez> how about reset your client

11:11 <sv2_> yep...

11:11 <sv2_> and yep as well...

11:12 <sv2_> but when i look at the admin page for the work units.. it only shows the 1 cancelled unit..

11:12 <jackygrahamez> ok how about run your client again with a flag --exit_after_finish

11:12 <jackygrahamez> ok you need to have a unique name fore each workunit, i recommend inserting a timestamp using a script

11:13 <sv2_> where does the workunit name get defined..

11:13 <jackygrahamez> here is an example

11:13 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

11:14 <jackygrahamez> -wu_name wu_${time}

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11:15 <jackygrahamez> I have to head home, I got some handymen coming to fix my ceiling

11:15 <jackygrahamez> later sv2_

11:15 <jackygrahamez> see you all

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11:16 <sv2_> ok...

11:18 <PovAdct_w> each workunit needs its own unique name

11:24 <hawmps> a little LHC just came up...

11:25 <PovAdct_w> yup, got some

11:28 <MTughan>

11:28 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

11:29 <PovAdct_w> o.o

11:30 <MTughan> I got one LHC too, even after I just attached my comp... Woo!

11:34 <MTughan> Hmm... Could a kernel update get stuck because I ran out of room on the /boot partition?

11:34 <PovAdct_w> it could I guess

11:37 <MTughan> I've had this happen twice now. Thinking I'll uninstall an old kernel, then install this one...

11:37 <PovAdct_w> the partition should be enough to hold two kernels and then some

11:37 <MTughan> I already have two kernels.

11:37 <MTughan> And this is a third.

11:38 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - when running a client.. does it matter what user it's run as?

11:38 <PovAdct_w> ahh that explains it

11:38 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: no, as long as you always run it as the same user... on first run, the client creates some files, if you run it as another user later, it may fail to open those files

11:40 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - the client is running.. but there's no file 'output' being created..

11:40 <PovAdct_w> it will be created very briefly...

11:41 <PovAdct_w> as soon as the app writes the file, it quits

11:41 <PovAdct_w> when it quits, BOINC moves it somewhere else, so you don't see it called 'output'

11:41 <PovAdct_w> and as soon as BOINC uploads the file, it gets deleted from the client, so at that point it's not in the client directories at all

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11:41 <sv2_> ohh?? what would it be called on the server?

11:42 <PovAdct_w> I told you, <workunitname>_0

11:42 <PovAdct_w> somewhere in upload

11:42 <sv2_> there are no files in the /home/boincadm/projects/test2/upload dir

11:42 <sv2_> on the boinc server

11:42 <PovAdct_w> did you fix the template and generate more workunits?

11:43 <sv2_> i fixed the template.. changed from 'out' to 'output' which is the name of the file in the hello app...

11:44 <sv2_> i then ran the create_work.. using a different name... and i see/saw the workunit appear in the admin page..

11:44 <sv2_> i can paste the client result...

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11:45 <PovAdct_w> maybe the client was running the old workunit (with bad name) again; if a WU fails it gets resent a few more times

11:46 <sv2_> is there a way to 'clear' the client!

11:46 <sv2_> or should i just rebuild the project... and start over..

11:46 <PovAdct_w> well it's not up to the client

11:46 <PovAdct_w> the server is re-sending the task :)

11:47 <PovAdct_w> I think starting over may be a good idea

11:47 <PovAdct_w> naturally, each time you create a project from scratch you make less mistakes than in the previous attempt :)

11:47 <sv2_> slow painful knowledge!!

11:48 <sv2_> and all of this.. to get to the point... where i can try to determine if boinc can actually be used for my overall project..

11:48 <sv2_> oh.. did yo ever get my initial email?@@

11:48 <PovAdct_w> yes

11:48 <PovAdct_w> started replying to it

11:48 <PovAdct_w> and that's when I got one of the power outages

11:49 <sv2_> no prob...

11:49 <sv2_> as i see it... if a boinc client... can call/spawn out to run an external app.. this could work...

11:50 <PovAdct_w> what are your crawler apps written in?

11:50 <PovAdct_w> Python?

11:50 <Romulus> hmm... Python is fairly readable, PovAdct_w

11:50 <PovAdct_w> ...

11:50 * PovAdct_w slaps the bot

11:50 <sv2_> also.. is there a way for the server to give the same work to only a specified number of client machines..

11:51 <PovAdct_w> what do you mean?

11:51 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - the test ones have been python...

11:52 <sv2_> in order for this to work... i envision a table of the urls to be parsed.. a client would attach to the server.. i'd give it a url...

11:52 <sv2_> but i don't need all clients having the same url...

11:52 <PovAdct_w> nope, each workunit would have its own URL

11:52 <PovAdct_w> to crawl

11:52 <sv2_> at the same time.. for qa/err checking..i'd want a few clients to process the same url.. and then compare the results..

11:53 <PovAdct_w> that feature is built into BOINC, a workunit can be replicated X times

11:53 <sv2_> so i'd essentially have to create a separate workunit for each url i'd want to crawl..

11:53 <PovAdct_w> then the validator (which you will surely need to customize) can compare their output files and decide if they match

11:55 <sv2_> i need a bonic guru...

11:55 <sv2_> this would go a helluva lot faster...

11:55 <sv2_> to be able to determine if this damn thing is even feasible!

11:56 <PovAdct_w> I know of something that could help you make the app... will all apps be Python?

11:56 * PovAdct_w knows nothing about Perl

11:57 <sv2_> not sure... the test crawlers have been basic python... using the mach libs..

11:57 <sv2_> mech..

11:58 <PovAdct_w> mech?

11:58 <sv2_> the unfortunate issue.. is that each college is similar.. but different enough.. so that the system will have to have separate crawlers for each school..

11:58 <PovAdct_w> oh python mechanize?

11:58 <sv2_> mechanize.. i python import/lib for crawling/parsing text..

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11:58 <jackygrahamez> hi

11:58 <PovAdct_w> wb

11:58 <sv2_> hey..

11:58 <jackygrahamez> any progress sv2_?

11:59 <sv2_> nope...

11:59 <jackygrahamez> I got the handy men fixing the ceiling over my bathtube

11:59 <jackygrahamez> I have not been able to take a shower for a month, good thing they have showers at work

12:00 <PovAdct_w> :o

12:00 <sv2_> as i was telling PovAdct_w - i have a situation where i created an additional work unit... with a new name.. and ran the client.. but i'm not getting anything in the upload dir.. i can see the new workunit in the admin page..

12:00 <MTughan> w00t, 5 LHC tasks now.

12:01 <jackygrahamez> how about you use the uppercase app

12:02 <PovAdct_w> I think uppercase, as an example app, is over-complex

12:02 <jackygrahamez> maybe

12:03 <jackygrahamez> but I offer you my binaries and create_work_example script for testing

12:03 <PovAdct_w> did you see the app we're using?

12:04 <jackygrahamez> hello?

12:04 <PovAdct_w>

12:04 <Romulus> Title: C++ pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

12:04 <PovAdct_w> can't get much simpler than that

12:05 <sv2_> here's the hello paste....

12:05 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

12:06 <sv2_> same one from PovAdct_w!

12:07 <sv2_> here's the paste from the boinc client now...

12:07 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

12:08 <sv2_> haven't rebuit the project yet..

12:08 <PovAdct_w> is helloWU1 the new one?

12:08 <PovAdct_w> what did you call the workunit after fixing the template?

12:08 <PovAdct_w> this is all getting harder than it should be -_--

12:08 <PovAdct_w> -_-'

12:08 <sv2_> yes..

12:10 <jackygrahamez> indeed

12:11 <jackygrahamez> did you look at your logs. specifically file_upload_handler.log

12:11 <sv2_> let me just rebuild the project... and start from scratch...

12:12 * PovAdct_w grabs some more candies

12:12 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - didn't know there were logs!

12:12 <sv2_> where are they?

12:12 <PovAdct_w> projects/test2/log_toshiba in your case :)

12:12 <jackygrahamez> under your main project directory there should be some logs generated by your daemons

12:13 <jackygrahamez> you can also look at the http logs

12:13 <PovAdct_w> mmm

12:13 <MTughan> If there were no logs, we'd all go crazy. :P

12:13 <PovAdct_w>

12:13 <PovAdct_w>

12:13 <Romulus> <> (at

12:13 <Romulus> <> (at

12:14 <jackygrahamez> ahh

12:14 <sv2_> there is no file_upload....log!!!

12:14 <jackygrahamez> :-)

12:14 <PovAdct_w> there was no file uploaded

12:14 <jackygrahamez> I see

12:14 <PovAdct_w> BOINC uploads the file when the app finishes successfully, that has yet to happen :)

12:15 <jackygrahamez> did you try running the client using --exit_after_finish

12:15 <PovAdct_w> we already know what the problem is, so...

12:15 <jackygrahamez> whats the problem?

12:15 <PovAdct_w> just gotta get work created with the right open_name for the output file

12:15 <PovAdct_w> and wait for the client to run it

12:15 <PovAdct_w> thing is the queue still has work with the wrong filename

12:15 <PovAdct_w> and the client was running from those

12:16 <jackygrahamez> I thought he canceled it and reset the client

12:16 <PovAdct_w> I dunno if he finally cancelled it

12:16 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: what did you call the workunit after fixing the template?

12:16 <jackygrahamez> ok I'm heading back to the office

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12:16 <sv2_> here's what i have in the admin page

12:17 <MTughan> Cool... Nautilus on Linux can play FLACs by itself.

12:17 <PovAdct_w> MTughan: I'd say that's bad

12:17 <MTughan> It might use Gstreamer as a backend.

12:18 <MTughan> Yeah, it uses Gstreamer.

12:18 <PovAdct_w> I once saw someone on IRC who used ERC as a client

12:18 <PovAdct_w> ERC - an IRC client for Emacs

12:18 <MTughan> lol

12:19 <PovAdct_w> emacs is the most bloated software in the world -_-

12:19 <sv2_> helloWU, helloWU1...

12:19 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: those had the correct name? strange

12:20 <PovAdct_w> you sure you didn't edit one template and give another to create_work? :P

12:20 <sv2_> hey.. i just checked the admin page for the helloWU1.. here's the paste --

12:20 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

12:20 <sv2_> it looks like it has errs!!

12:20 <PovAdct_w> click [More detail]

12:22 <sv2_> PovAdct_w ???

12:22 <Romulus> Rumor has it PovAdct_w is not found, sv2_

12:22 <sv2_> PovAdct_w ???

12:22 <Romulus> I guess PovAdct_w is not found, sv2_

12:22 <sv2_> ??

12:22 <MTughan> Romulus is a bot... Ignore him.

12:22 <Romulus> MTughan: Are you daft?

12:23 <MTughan> &cyborg Romulus

12:23 <Romulus> MTughan: R.O.M.U.L.U.S.: Robotic Operational Machine Used for Logical Utility and Sabotage

12:23 <sv2_> MTughan - got that.. i was wondering what would happen if i did ??

12:23 <MTughan> Ah... No, it just does a word followed by a question mark.

12:23 <MTughan> BOINC?

12:23 <Romulus> Rumor has it BOINC is all perfect and stuff, MTughan

12:24 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - i just checked in the test2/templates dir.. the result/wc are the right modified files..

12:24 <sv2_> did the paste make sense?

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12:30 <PovAdct_w> there is a More detail link

12:30 <PovAdct_w> Summary | More detail | Return to main admin page

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12:46 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - too late.. already started to rebuild!

12:46 <sv2_> but somehting tells me i'm going to have the same issue..

12:46 <sv2_> give me a few mins..

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12:58 <jackygrahamez> hi

13:04 <sv2_> arrghhh.. same thing!

13:04 <sv2_> hey jackygrahamez!

13:05 <sv2_> i rebuilt.. made the changes.. got the matched output file name...

13:07 <sv2_> same thing... the paste output for the client is --

13:07 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

13:07 <jackygrahamez> rebuilt the project?

13:09 <jackygrahamez> you ran hello stand alone?

13:09 <PovAdct_w> go to admin page

13:09 <PovAdct_w> search for that WU

13:10 <PovAdct_w> probably something like _ops/db_action.php?table=result&id=1&detail=high

13:11 <sv2_> i'm here... at the results...

13:11 <sv2_> and i see the errs again..

13:11 <PovAdct_w> anything in stderr out?

13:12 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - wait.. the date is screwed up...

13:13 <jackygrahamez> your system date?

13:14 <sv2_> here's the paste...

13:14 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

13:14 <sv2_> the paste is of the admin - db_action.php.... "more detail"

13:16 <PovAdct_w> hmm

13:16 <PovAdct_w> still says in progress

13:16 <PovAdct_w> so the client didn't report back to the server yet

13:17 <jackygrahamez> does this look right to you PovAdct_w? <file_name>helloWU_1_0</file_name>

13:17 <PovAdct_w> yes

13:17 <PovAdct_w> the open_name isn't shown there

13:17 <PovAdct_w> oh it is

13:18 <PovAdct_w> anyway <file_name> is the real name it will have when it gets uploaded

13:18 <jackygrahamez> I typically use <file_name><OUTFILE_0/></file_name>

13:18 <sv2_> i just did a reattach to the project on the client..

13:19 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: what you see there is after BOINC replaced <OUTFILE_0/>

13:19 <sv2_> but it keeps recycling... and saying that "Output file... is absent"

13:21 <sv2_> i was looking in the logs... and saw what appears to be an err in the "sample_work_generator.log"

13:22 <sv2_> the paste of the log file is ---

13:22 <jackygrahamez> what is it?

13:22 <Romulus> Somebody said it is an OK movie, jackygrahamez

13:22 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

13:22 <PovAdct_w> forget it

13:22 <Romulus> Got it.

13:22 <PovAdct_w> there

13:22 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: why is the work generator running at all? lol

13:22 <PovAdct_w> you use create_work anyway

13:23 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - be nice!! it's in the config.xml.. if i need to remove it.. i will!

13:23 <PovAdct_w> meh

13:23 <PovAdct_w> <- too tired

13:26 <sv2_> could i have screwed something up in the config files.. for the wu/results

13:28 <PovAdct_w> hmm

13:28 <PovAdct_w> I want to buy a new hard disk

13:29 <PovAdct_w> been so long since I bought any hardware :P

13:29 <sv2_> what size... and for how much...

13:29 <PovAdct_w> I guess I'll see what's available when I get to the shop :)

13:30 <PovAdct_w> is there any issue at all with compatibility?

13:30 <XioNYC> "As big as they come" and "for free", of course ;-)

13:30 <PovAdct_w> exactly!

13:30 * XioNYC couldn't resist

13:30 <PovAdct_w> would *anything* with a SATA connector Just Work(tm)?

13:30 <PovAdct_w> or is there anything else I'd have to look for?

13:31 <sv2_> PovAdct_w - what's the mobo/system

13:31 <sv2_> check

13:31 <Romulus> Title: PRICEWATCH :: Price Comparison Tool - Find the lowest prices on computer parts, electronics and more before you buy (at

13:31 <PovAdct_w> I forget mobo model now; any command I can use in Linux to check?

13:32 <PovAdct_w> (I'm not physically near the computer I plan to use it with)

13:33 <sv2_> not aware of a linux cmd for mobo...

13:33 <XioNYC> "cat /proc/cpuinfo"?  "/proc/sysboard"?  Something in /proc should point to it.

13:33 <sv2_> or dmesg perhaps..

13:33 <PovAdct_w> I was looking at hwinfo

13:34 <sv2_> but most run of the mill sata drives should support any board within the last 4-5 years..

13:34 <sv2_> that have the sata controller.

13:35 <XioNYC> I'm 99.7% certain that SATA Just Plain Works™ (but that 0.2% is what causes trouble)

13:35 <XioNYC> ... 0.3%

13:35 * XioNYC isn't 100% to begin with.

13:36 <sv2_> hey.. what happens if i build an app for a linux platform while i'm on amd platform... and then run the client from the intel box..

13:37 <PovAdct_w> unless you explicitly used a compiler switch to generate amd-optimized code, it will just work

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13:41 <sv2_> PovAddict - you still around?

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13:55 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - you still here??

13:55 <jackygrahamez> yes

13:55 <jackygrahamez> just dividing me attention around

13:56 <sv2_> just discovered something... i took the 'hello' app that i created on the amd box... and copied it over to the intel box, where i'm running the client... the bin/exe didn't run..

13:56 <jackygrahamez> that explains something

13:56 <jackygrahamez> dependencies perhaps

13:57 <jackygrahamez> it was built dynamically

13:57 <sv2_> on my amd box.. i only created a intel project.. i need to check creating a amd project and see if i get the same thing

13:57 <jackygrahamez> I think you should take my uppercase binaries

13:58 <jackygrahamez>

13:58 <Romulus> Title: Index of /download (at

13:59 <sv2_> isn't the uppercase you have.. the same as the test case?

13:59 <sv2_> or is it different..

13:59 <jackygrahamez> If the binaries did not work on the amd and they only ran on intel, that means they were compiled with amd dependencies

14:00 <jackygrahamez> I'm not sure how to compile them statically

14:00 <jackygrahamez> but my binaries should work for you on either platform

14:00 <jackygrahamez> there is of course a setting called HR

14:00 <jackygrahamez> hold on

14:00 <sv2_> but the testcase is probably different...

14:01 <jackygrahamez>

14:01 <Romulus> <> (at

14:02 <jackygrahamez> if you have fine grain classification, it won't distribute the app to AMD, that's not the case though, its actually problem running the app

14:03 <jackygrahamez> just so I understand correctly, you cannot run it on the amd using the command line

14:03 <sv2_> exactly

14:03 <sv2_> actually.. can't run it onn the intel..

14:03 <jackygrahamez> I think you should try my uppercase and I'll give you all the files you need

14:03 <jackygrahamez> oh really

14:03 <sv2_> the amd is the box the boinc server is on.. that i built the hello app on..

14:04 <jackygrahamez> then that hello app is really messed up

14:04 <jackygrahamez> ok so it runs in the command line on the amd

14:06 <jackygrahamez> these are my templates

14:06 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

14:07 <jackygrahamez> are you running this thing on windows?

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14:28 <sv2_> hey jackygrahamez - linux/amd platform...

14:29 <sv2_> just rebuilt and reran...

14:29 <sv2_> got similar errs...

14:30 <sv2_> here's the paste.... --

14:30 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

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14:46 <hawmps> &wx 12020

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14:47 <hawmps> &more

14:47 <Romulus> hawmps: cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 15. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Friday - Partly sunny. Highs in the mid 20s. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Special Weather Statement for Saratoga County in effect until 4:15 PM EST on January 08, 2009;

14:47 <hawmps> snow squall all day...

14:47 <jackygrahamez> did you rebuild the hello app?

14:57 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

14:58 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:58 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 19°F / -7°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CET; Clear. High:22 F.; Clear. Low:13 F.; Chance of Snow. High:29 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:27 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:19 F.;

14:59 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,

15:13 <infinisoft> Phenom II's released.

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15:16 <jackygrahamez> how's it coming along sv2_?

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15:56 <xcamel> key-ripes.

15:58 <xcamel>,,,,,,,

15:58 <xcamel>,,,,

15:59 <xcamel> all friggin webscans

15:59 <xcamel> correction >> /webmail/bin/msgimport

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16:04 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Cool.

16:05 <MTughan> Wow, I still have LHC tasks coming in...

16:11 <xcamel> ditto

16:13 <MolbO|s_a_woomen> is some ANN tasks with boinc?

16:16 <MTughan> PovAddict: How come some of your posts to the mailing lists have the accented a and some don't?

16:17 <MTughan> Some read "Nicols" and some read just "Nicolas".

16:18 <xcamel> ANN?

16:18 <CoderForLife> greetings Boincsters

16:18 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:18 <xcamel> greeting, coders

16:18 <CoderForLife> heya Michael Jay

16:18 <MolbO|s_a_woomen> xcamel neural networks

16:19 <MTughan> MolbO|s_a_woomen: Just my inexperience, but have you tried AI?

16:19 <Romulus> <> (at

16:19 * CoderForLife scrambles to look for LHC WUs

16:20 <MolbO|s_a_woomen> MTughan oo nice tnx

16:21 <MTughan> np

16:22 * CoderForLife stops all other WUs in favor of LHC

16:22 <MTughan> I hadn't done that before as I wasn't getting enough LHC WUs in to keep all cores busy, but I have enough now.

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16:23 <CoderForLife>

16:23 <Romulus> <> (at

16:23 <xcamel> ditto, again

16:24 <xcamel> full bore lhc for now..

16:24 <CoderForLife> yup yup

16:25 * xcamel needs the bump

16:26 <CoderForLife> WUs getting aborted by LHC faster than I can crunch them

16:26 <MTughan> I only saw one cancelled, although I haven't been here long.

16:27 <CoderForLife> I had one abort before I could run it

16:28 <MTughan> It's good that you didn't lose any crunching time over it though.

16:28 <xcamel> I think I might have lost 2

16:30 <sv2_> hey PovAddict!!

16:32 <sv2_> hey guys... can you have more than one boinc client running at once on a machine?

16:32 <sv2_> or rather.. how do you process multiple workunits??

16:33 <CoderForLife> multiple machines with multiple CPUs

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16:34 <sv2_> CoderForLife - on a single machine.. can you have multiple clients?

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16:35 <CoderForLife> 1) depends on OS and 2) no reason to

16:36 <CoderForLife> bbiab

16:36 <sv2_> i want to process multiple/simultaneous workunits.. how do i accomplish this with a single client machine?

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16:40 <CoderForLife> what OS?

16:40 <Romulus> It has been said that what OS are you on, CoderForLife

16:52 <xcamel> somebody remember to throw up a message when lhc runs out of work...

16:52 <sv2_> CoderForLife - assume linux/fedora for now.

16:53 <Soul_keeper> MTughan,   check now

16:54 <sv2_> basically.. i'm considering a situation where i want to slam the machine.. so i'm investigating how boinc/client works, and if it can handle multiple worunits

16:55 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Yeah, the quad still isn't crunching full-time, although it's doing more.

16:56 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, like those numbers i added ?

16:56 <MTughan> Yep, you can see how it gets faster.

16:57 <Soul_keeper> we are racing from now on :)

16:57 <MTughan> And I'm still OC'ing.

17:01 <Soul_keeper> lol, just don't fry it

17:01 <xcamel> lol - lhc units completed before the work time limit expires..

17:01 <xcamel> er download timer..

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17:16 <xcamel>

17:16 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 8 - NGC 2736: The Pencil Nebula (at

17:17 <xcamel> nice..

17:19 <CoderForLife> spronkze - web scanning

17:19 <CoderForLife> dindin time - bbl

17:20 <xcamel> 3rd ditto

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17:32 <PovAddict> MTughan: I have used multiple email clients over time

17:32 <PovAddict> nowadays I regularly use three, possibly all three in the same day

17:32 <PovAddict> some may lack the accented á

17:33 <xcamel> 5" of snow from a 'flurry"

17:33 <PovAddict> sv2_: I'm thinking the problem might be the hello app

17:33 <PovAddict> I'll try building a project from scratch here

17:34 <PovAddict> sv2_: also are you sure the app you compiled is 32-bit? :)

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17:46 <xcamel> web scanning...

17:48 <MTughan> rofl... Was just watching a story about Obama and his Blackberry. They were citing concerns over hacking, so they showed a Linux terminal with "ifconfig eth0" in the line. xD

17:49 <PovAddict> apparently Jurassic Park had a scene where someone is searching for a file on a computer and it shows a 3D UI

17:49 <MTughan> They have that in "Hackers" too... So inefficient.

17:49 <PovAddict> a lot of people thought that was typical Hollywood not making computers look like what they really look

17:50 <PovAddict> but that 3D file manager used in Jurassic Park really exists

17:50 <MTughan> Considering Hackers was made in the mid-90's too.

17:50 <PovAddict>

17:50 <Romulus> Title: fsn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

17:51 <MTughan> Is it still around?

17:51 <PovAddict> follow the link in 'See Also'

17:52 <MTughan> Oh, I missed that...

17:52 <MTughan> Interesting, although I don't see how useful it could be.

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17:55 <zombie67> how do I tell the version of .Net I have installed on an XP64 box?

17:57 <MTughan>

17:57 <CoderForLife> back

17:57 <Romulus> Title: How to determine which versions of the .NET Frame!@#& are installed and whether service packs have been applied (at

17:58 <MTughan> Says it applies to v2.0 and lower, but I can confirm v3.0 is there as well.

17:58 <xcamel> call a soothsayer.

17:59 <CoderForLife> just call out into the air - Microsoft is listening

17:59 <MTughan> lol

18:00 <zombie67> thanks

18:00 <xcamel> via google air

18:01 <zombie67> bizarre

18:01 <zombie67> there is a 3.5 available, but it doesn't show up when I try to do an update.  not even an optional update

18:02 <PovAddict> might be manual-download-only

18:02 <zombie67> yes, I can manually d/l

18:02 <CoderForLife> plink

18:02 <zombie67> but why not show up via update?

18:02 <xcamel> 'lo zombie

18:02 <zombie67> hi x

18:02 <xcamel> nailed.

18:02 <PovAddict> I don't think I've even seen 3.0 show up in Windows Updates

18:03 <MTughan> Comes with Vista I think, although XP would be an update.

18:03 <zombie67> and after upgrading to 3.5, it still doesn't tell me that 3.5 SP1 is available

18:04 <PovAddict> why do you want 3.5 anyway?

18:04 <zombie67> gerasim is barfing

18:04 <zombie67> .Net seems to be the issue

18:04 <PovAddict> gerasim uses .NET on its science app?

18:04 <PovAddict> fail

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18:05 <zombie67>

18:05 <Romulus> <> (at

18:05 <zombie67> there are a few projects that need .Net

18:05 <PovAddict> I had never seen any

18:06 <zombie67> and then there are is at least one that needs a fairly current version of Java

18:06 <PovAddict> which?

18:06 <Romulus> which are getting into the area of pr0n, PovAddict

18:06 <PovAddict> o.0

18:06 <PovAddict> forget which

18:06 <Romulus> Okay.

18:06 <zombie67> the one that needs java is malariacontrol

18:07 <PovAddict> those are a pair of failprojects then

18:08 <PovAddict> in some projects we see people asking for apps to be correctly statically-linked so they don't need certain C libraries

18:08 <PovAddict> and in others they need whole runtime environments installed before?!

18:08 <MTughan> zombie67: Which version of Java?

18:08 <PovAddict> they should bundle Java if they need it

18:08 <PovAddict> or make a native binary with gcj

18:08 <zombie67> I thought you needed to install java?

18:09 <zombie67> MT:  don't recall.  And their site is down currently

18:09 <PovAddict> if you need to, they are doing it wrong, and should do it the way I just said

18:09 <zombie67> I think nanohive needed .Net

18:09 * PovAddict doesn't know why any CPU intensive BOINC project would use .NET or Java

18:16 <infinisoft> Anyone seen this?

18:16 <Romulus> Title: - Stemcell computing (at

18:22 <xcamel> hmmm.. no.

18:23 <zombie67> bbl

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18:29 <MTughan> What. The. F*ck. Windows installed major updates and now wants me to install...

18:29 <MTughan> I've explicitely told it to notify me, but not download or install updates without consulting me.

18:30 <MTughan> Worse, they're not even for Microsoft's Vaunted WGA. It's for .NET.

18:32 <MTughan> Anyway, I should restart anyway... Boost the OC. bbl

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18:40 <CoderForLife> I'm going to slink away for the evening

18:40 <CoderForLife> laterz

18:40 * CoderForLife slinks

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18:44 <mib_8pjd28> Hey

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18:48 <sv2_> hey PovAddict - thanks for your help on this!! here's what i found out...

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18:50 <sv2_> PovAddict - i built the initial hello app on my amd system, and created the app for the intel platform. (didn't occur to me that this would cause issues!! as i recall, building/compiling static wouldd resolve the issue) didn't discover this, until i actually copied the app to the amd and realized that the binary didn't run!

18:51 <sv2_> PovAddict - when i recreated the hello, and named it as an amd client/project to run on the amd client.. everything works as expoected... i have the output file...

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18:51 <sv2_> PovAddict - now, i have a bunch of additional questions that pertain to my targeted project...

18:51 <MTughan> Figure it's just easier to stay on the Linux comp.

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18:52 <sethy> MToughan, when you see Pov, can you send him my way ASAP

18:52 <sethy> ?

18:52 <MTughan> You're not sticking around?

18:53 <sethy> nah, i have a beer to finish and a shower to take

18:53 <MTughan> Heh. Sure.

18:53 <MTughan> And that can come out the wrong way... I meant "Sure, I'll let him know."

18:54 <sethy> by all means, join me for the beer

18:54 <sethy> never for the shower

18:54 <MTughan> Naw, I don't drink.

18:54 <MTughan> Besides, I've got an OC to do. :D

18:55 <sethy> awesome

18:55 <sethy> isn't there some new Mac pro coming out

18:55 <MTughan> &math (363 / 266 - 1) * 100

18:55 <Romulus> MTughan: 36.4661654135

18:55 <sethy> ?

18:55 <MTughan> 36.46% OC right now...

18:55 <sethy> sweet

18:55 <sethy> from what?

18:55 <MTughan> Probably sometime soon, but it wasn't at Macworld.

18:56 <MTughan> Apple will probably update it to use the Nehalem procs, along with their iMac line. Many people also expect an update to the Mac mini.

18:56 <MTughan> Stock is 2.4GHz. It's a C2Q Q6600.

18:56 <MTughan> This is 3.267GHz.

18:57 <sethy> yeah the g8?

18:57 <sethy> i was looking at it

18:57 <MTughan> Huh? You mean G0?

18:57 <sethy> i dont know

18:57 <MTughan> The processor stepping, right?

18:57 <sethy> the one that has 2 quadcores

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18:58 <MTughan> A processor that has two quads, or a computer?

18:59 <sethy> computer

18:59 <xcamel> burrr...

18:59 <MTughan> Did we go back to the Mac Pro, or are you talking about something else?

18:59 <xcamel> was 34 this morning, now 17

18:59 <MTughan> &wx YOW

18:59 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 12°F / -11°C | Humidity: 73% | Pressure: 29.55in / 1000hPa | Conditions: Low Drifting Snow | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 21mph / 33km/h | Updated: 6:00 PM EST; Tonight - Clearing early this evening. Low -16C(3F).; Friday - Sunny with cloudy periods. High -11C(12F). Friday night a few clouds. Low -22C(-8F).; Saturday - A mix of sun and cloud with 30 percent chance of (1 more message)

18:59 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:59 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 22.5F / -5.3C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.98in / 1015.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Not as cold. Low in the lower 20s. Temperature steady or slowly rising after midnight. Southeast wind near 10 mph increasing to 10 to 15 mph after midnight.; Friday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of sleet (2 more messages)

19:00 <MTughan> We got quite a bit of snow earlier in the day.

19:00 <MTughan> At least you don't have any wind. :(

19:01 <sethy> mac pro

19:01 <MTughan> Dunno, I've never heard of a "G8" Mac Pro.

19:02 <MTughan> The only thing I can think of is that someone extended the G5 naming on into the Intel lines.

19:03 <sethy> i dont know

19:03 <sethy> 'm not a mac fan am i?

19:03 <MTughan> lol

19:04 <MTughan> Well, extending the G5 name with the current number of revisions, that would result in G8. But the G4 and G5 names referred to the PowerPC processors they used.

19:04 <MTughan> Anyway, if you're looking for a new 8-core Mac Pro (or even the single processor sibling), it might be worthwhile to hold off for a month or two.

19:05 <MTughan>

19:05 <Romulus> <> (at

19:06 <xcamel> webscanners still at it..

19:06 <xcamel> << ip kill

19:07 <xcamel> must be a new zombie bot virus going around...

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19:31 <MTughan> Ah, love that winter for overclocking... The processor has cooled down somewhat since I opened the window.

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19:38 <xcamel> frostbite on your feet though...

19:39 <MTughan> PovAddict: Apple possibly working on multi-core iPhones and iPod touches.

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19:49 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:50 <sv2_> hey!!

19:51 <sv2_> has anyone created a project/app that interfaces with an external app on the client machine through either an exec/shell call or that does a spawn of a process?

19:51 <sv2_> is this even possible?

19:51 <sv2_> also, has anyone created a python clienta app??

19:51 <efc> Hey

19:53 <PovAddict> MTughan: multWHAT

19:53 <PovAddict> multi-core iPhone?

19:53 <PovAddict> why in god's name :P

19:55 <sv2_> hey PovAddict - did you see my earlier msgs to you about where i am on this...

19:56 <sv2_> and much thanks by the way!!

19:56 <PovAddict> no

19:56 * PovAddict scrolls up

19:56 <xcamel> so they can charge more

19:56 <PovAddict> the problem with intel/amd is probably not because of intel/amd but because of 32-bit/64-bit

19:56 <PovAddict> is the AMD box 64-bit?

19:57 <sv2_> the intel/amd are both 64...

19:57 <sv2_> dual core..

19:57 <sv2_> running 64bit fedora..

19:59 <PovAddict> hmm wonder what sethy wanted

19:59 <PovAddict> xcamel: looks like a good reason

19:59 <PovAddict> ...

20:00 <MTughan> Yeah, was just going to say that sethy wanted you...

20:00 <PovAddict> he PM'd me

20:00 <PovAddict> and messaged me in MSN

20:00 <MTughan> Just been dusting out the computer. It's not too bad, but it's picked up a bit in the two weeks I've had it.

20:01 <MTughan> It was in a rather dusty room for 2-3 days around New Years' though. That could've done it.

20:01 <PovAddict> hope he's not with suicidal tendencies again

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20:04 <MTughan> Ah, sh*t... That OC was looking promising. Just BSOD'd.

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20:11 <wdsmia> &ping

20:11 <Romulus> pong

20:12 <xcamel> pflung

20:17 <xcamel> still munching on lhc's

20:18 <wdsmia> Damn ISP tech spent a hr and came up with the same diag that I told him when he arrived

20:20 <sv2_> anyone know of a boinc project written in python??

20:21 <PovAddict> sv2_: I know of one that used python for an app but it was kind of a hack the way they did it :)

20:21 <PovAddict> I once thought of making a python binding to the BOINC API

20:21 <PovAddict> never did it because I thought nobody would use python for a BOINC app, because it's slow

20:21 <PovAddict> but your project proves somebody would...

20:22 <PovAddict> if the app doesn't do heavy number crunching

20:22 <PovAddict> but something like crawling :)

20:23 <xcamel> someone needs to write a new boinc project...

20:23 <sv2_> thanks PovAddict!!

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20:24 <xcamel> something that identifies all the spammers on the net, and makes their ISP's explode.

20:25 <PovAddict> or what about something that tries to hack into people's computers using known-and-long-fixed-by-windows-updates vulnerabilities

20:25 <PovAddict> if it succeeds, probably a spambot also succeeded in the past

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20:25 <PovAddict> so once in, remove the spambot :)

20:26 <PovAddict> a lot of spam comes from hacked Windows machines

20:26 <MTughan> Firewalls FTW.

20:27 <MTughan> At least it's some protection.

20:27 <PovAddict> IE has bugs too

20:27 <PovAddict> :)

20:27 <MTughan> I use Firefox.

20:27 <PovAddict> the average Windows lemming doesn't

20:27 <MTughan> One sec...

20:29 <MTughan>

20:29 <Romulus> <> (at

20:36 <xcamel> no big news there..

20:37 <MTughan> Oh, and about multi-core...

20:37 <Romulus> <> (at

21:06 * xcamel yawns

21:12 <xcamel> lol...

21:12 <xcamel> "If Government spending improved the economy,  Sweden should be a Global Superpower"

21:12 <efc> We can Save Money by Spending Money

21:13 <xcamel> I can solve this entire problem in 6 months.

21:13 <xcamel> Suspend all government taxes (all of them) for the same period.

21:13 <xcamel> **all taxes**

21:18 <efc> It all trickles up

21:20 <xcamel> to the federal treasury..

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21:30 <sv2_> xcamel - ok.. so you suspend all taxes... and who pays for your local police when your car is jacked!

21:33 <xcamel> the amount of tax money already in the system would dumbfound you.

21:33 <BadBarbarian> Hi Xcamel

21:33 <xcamel> 'lo BB

21:34 <MTughan> sv2_: You'd be "bruce" sending messages to boinc_dev and boinc_projects?

21:34 <xcamel> Hows things in Art Bell land?

21:34 <BadBarbarian> i move an hr away 2000 feet lower lol

21:34 <xcamel> lol

21:35 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86303

21:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 44.1F / 6.7C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 25 to 31. Light winds.; Friday - Breezy...cooler. Partly cloudy. Highs 48 to 54. Light winds becoming north 15 to 25 mph in the late morning and afternoon.; Friday Night - Breezy. Partly cloudy. Lows (1 more message)

21:35 <BadBarbarian> &more

21:35 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: 20 to 26. North winds 15 to 25 mph.;

21:35 <BadBarbarian> 25 degrees warmer lol

21:35 <xcamel> anyway.. found new digs?

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21:40 <BadBarbarian> yes

21:40 <BadBarbarian> got cable now 6 meg

21:41 <BadBarbarian> not bad for 33.00 a month

21:42 <MTughan> rofl...

21:42 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - NVIDIA: Adam & Jamie draw a MONA LISA in 80 milliseconds! (at

21:42 <BadBarbarian> 100.00 a month i get high speed digital cable and phone with free long distance in the US

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21:48 <xcamel>

21:48 <Romulus> <> (at

21:49 <xcamel> still at it >>

21:49 <xcamel> some idiot finds an exploit, and it spreads like the clap...

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21:53 <sv2_> MTughan - hey.. that eould be me!!! glad to meet ya!

21:54 <xcamel> good deal, BB

21:55 <sv2_> MTughan - from my short research... it appears that you can easily create a client app that will access external files.. but i'm not sure about running external apps via shell/exec/etc...

21:56 <sv2_> MTughan - but i'm still not sure if you can create a client that's written in something like python/perl...

21:57 <xcamel> laterz, all.

21:59 <efc> night x

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22:38 <MTughan> &math convert 437 mi to km

22:38 <Romulus> MTughan: 703.283328

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22:57 <MTughan> wdsmia: How many computers do you have? I have someone interested.

23:10 <sv2_> MTughan - you don't by chance recall what attributes are required to build the hello app do you??

23:11 <sv2_> i've lost my notes..

23:12 <MTughan> No, sorry.

23:26 <wdsmia> MTughan too many

23:37 <sv2_> MTughan - found it.. gotta like pastebin!

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