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03:08 <sv2_> morning....
03:08 <CoderForLife> morning
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03:16 <Tidus> way early morning, but morning
03:17 <CoderForLife> way early morning 2 u 2
03:18 <CoderForLife> I'm having a terrible time getting a good Windows 7 download
03:19 <up365> who says it'll be any good after the download
03:22 <Tidus> CoderForLife: i got my disc already, just seems MS can't keep the keymaker up
03:23 <CoderForLife> I worry about the quality of download and the keys
03:23 <Tidus> i got mine straight from ms proper
03:24 <CoderForLife> I get 0.5 to 1.0GB, then the xfer stops
03:24 <CoderForLife> I'm on my 12th attempt or so
03:24 <Tidus> yeah, their servers got hammered hard
03:25 <Soul_keeper> why not just download linux if it's such a hassle ?
03:26 <Soul_keeper> i don't understand you people sometimes ...
03:26 <CoderForLife> I have all kinds of Linux
03:26 <CoderForLife> I don't have Windows 7
03:27 <CoderForLife> I need to look at Windows 7
03:27 <CoderForLife> it's simple, really
03:27 <Soul_keeper> well i don't have a sharp calculator, don't mean i wanna head down to the dodge dealer and buy a truck to get it as a "free prize"
03:28 <Soul_keeper> nm, have fun
03:29 <CoderForLife> yeah, phun
03:30 <CoderForLife> brb breakfast
03:46 <CoderForLife> re-b
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04:16 <sv2_> hey... if a client gets multiple workunits.. can it be configured to send results back before others have completed..
04:22 <CoderForLife> completed results are sent back at next server contact, even before other waiting WUs are completed
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04:24 <sv2_> CoderForLife - so is it possible to have a client process 5 work units... have each workunit be asynchronously spawned off to a local app... get the results of the local app as they're completed, and return the finished results.. and then repeat process..
04:25 <sv2_> something tells me you can't 'stuff' a client all the time.. that the client only grabs a chunk of work units on a periodic basis..
04:25 <sv2_> what i really need to be able to accomplish... is to run multiple clients on the client server..
04:29 <CoderForLife> a WU is a chunk of a larger problem - WUs don't get chunked
04:30 <CoderForLife> why don't you "let BOINC be BOINC"? seems like you want it to be some kind of local grid computing environment
04:38 <sv2_> CoderForLife - i'm willing to let boinc be whatever... but i'm also attemtping to see if it might suit my needs.. not sure yet if it will, or won't...
04:45 <CoderForLife> take a look at Amazon EC2
04:45 <CoderForLife> also Hadoop
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04:50 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
04:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.5°F / 0.3°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain this morning...then rain likely with a chance of snow this afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south early this afternoon...then becoming northwest late. Chance of (1 more message)
04:51 <CoderForLife> &more
04:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers in the evening. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph.;
04:54 <Soul_keeper> 7 of the 10 fastest super computers are owned by the energy department ... interesting
05:08 <CoderForLife> your tax dollars at work
05:16 <Soul_keeper> step 1: get a job at energy department
05:16 <Soul_keeper> step 2: bring boinc on a cd
05:16 <Soul_keeper> download/usb stick/whatever
05:16 <Soul_keeper> :)
05:17 <Tidus> lol... watch you get pegged as a threat to 'national security'
05:18 <Soul_keeper> ha
05:19 <Soul_keeper> long as you get away with it for atleast 1 day :) it'd be worth it just for the big blip on the RAC ....
05:19 <Tidus> lol
05:19 <Tidus> big blip alright...
05:20 <Tidus> more like big <font size=72>blip</font>
05:21 <Soul_keeper> supposedly the power of 10,000 of the fastest laptops
05:21 <Soul_keeper> correction: 100,000
05:22 * Soul_keeper wanders off to fall asleep and dream of super computers
06:25 <CoderForLife> off to the store - bbl
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08:06 <xcamel> 'lo
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08:22 <Soul_keeper> good work
08:24 <KathrynM> I think I have a new favorite show.
08:25 <KathrynM> It's totally cracking me up
08:33 <Soul_keeper> :)
08:40 <Romulus> Title: BBC NEWS | Europe | Cat turns up on weatherman's set (at news.bbc.co.uk)
08:48 <xcamel> cute vid
08:54 <xcamel> &wx 12074
08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 1.6°F / -16.9°C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1029.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow this afternoon. Highs in the lower 20s. Light and variable winds. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tonight - Snow. Snow may be heavy at times. Snow (2 more messages)
08:54 <xcamel> &more
08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Lows around 17. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy with snow likely in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 5 to 10 inches possible. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in effect until (1 more message)
08:54 <xcamel> &more
08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: 12:00 PM EST on January 11, 2009;
08:56 <xcamel> ..laughs again
09:03 <xcamel> hold your breayh:
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09:18 <xcamel> spork >> 220.127.116.11
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09:25 <CoderForLife> all the fine folks at Krogers send their greetings
09:25 <CoderForLife> yes, both of them
09:26 <CoderForLife> gesporkened - thx xcamel
09:29 <xcamel> Wash Times is getting really sloppy...
09:29 <xcamel> re: commissioning of CVN-77... George H.W. Bush carrier..
09:30 <CoderForLife> Sandy Berger the publisher?
09:30 <xcamel> last line of news story...
09:30 <xcamel> "The aircraft carrier will be the 10th and final Nimitz-class sub and the ninth in the Navy's fleet."
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09:30 <xcamel> um... say what?
09:30 <CoderForLife> huh?
09:30 <CoderForLife> sub-carrier?
09:31 <xcamel> they're morons.
09:31 <CoderForLife> did we sell one to the Chinese?
09:32 <xcamel> check that.. the reporter and copy editor are morons.
09:32 <CoderForLife> lol written by a Carter
09:32 <CoderForLife> nuke-you-ler
09:33 <CoderForLife> I'm on my 26th Win7 download attempt
09:34 <CoderForLife> I've gotten as far as 345MB out of 2.4GB before it craps out
09:34 <CoderForLife> brb changing out of street clothes into Coder spandex
09:36 <xcamel> wow - all the way up to 7F
09:37 <KathrynM> Coder spandex?
09:37 <KathrynM> I don't even want to know :p
09:40 <CoderForLife> heh -- thought that would get a response from someone
09:41 <xcamel> TMI, generally..
09:41 <CoderForLife> j/k btw
09:42 <xcamel> hoping it makes it to 10F bedore we go out to feed...
09:42 <xcamel> before, even.
09:42 <CoderForLife> we're above freezing so we're merely getting soaked
09:43 <CoderForLife> need my hobbit Second Breakfast after all that food shopping - bbiab
09:44 <xcamel> Second Breakfast should be just a second cup of hot black coffee
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10:29 <CoderForLife> back
10:29 <CoderForLife> I couldn't resist some of that freshly-made popcorn chicken
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10:42 <CoderForLife> that was some heavy rain this morning - glad it wasn't freezing rain
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10:45 <CoderForLife> hey z
10:45 <zombie67> hi
10:45 <zombie67> POV around?
10:45 <CoderForLife> looks away
10:45 <zombie67> k
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10:52 <xcamel> very very cold..
10:53 <xcamel> friggin burrrrr...
10:53 <zombie67> it's ~30F here at lake level at Lake Tahoe
10:53 <xcamel> 11F up from -2
10:54 <zombie67> sorry, 20F
10:56 <xcamel> 30 would be tshirt weather
10:57 <wdsmia> very white here
10:57 <xcamel> local landmark burned to the ground last night...
11:05 <xcamel> been around since the late 1700's
11:09 <xcamel> too bad
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11:11 <xcamel> more of a bar/hangout now...
11:11 <xcamel> correction... smoldering pile now.
11:15 <xcamel> ip kill >> 18.104.22.168
11:16 <CoderForLife> ip smackdown - operation complete
11:17 <CoderForLife> bbl
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11:25 <xcamel> kind of a shame, though.
11:47 <CoderForLife> turning them pages is always hard
11:50 <xcamel> for that little town, it would be like Skyline burning down.
11:50 <CoderForLife> all of them - a tragedy of epic proportions
11:51 <CoderForLife> probably more like The Golden Lamb in Lebanon
11:52 <CoderForLife> a few presidents have stayed there over the years when it was an inn
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11:53 <xcamel> ok.. here is an odd one
11:54 <xcamel> I have some 'software updater' that pops up on winduhs - but is blocked by an activex restriction...
11:54 * CoderForLife clicks File - Open - Oddities
11:54 <xcamel> how to find/kill it
11:55 <CoderForLife> what's the message?
11:55 <xcamel> running spybot s&d
11:56 <xcamel> dunno - popped up overnight - just closed the windows
11:56 <xcamel> didn't really see a message I could track down or trace out
12:01 <xcamel> s&d didn't find anything - avast next..
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12:35 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
12:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 38.4°F / 3.6°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain. Highs near 40. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain with a slight chance of freezing rain in the evening. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest (1 more message)
12:35 <CoderForLife> &more
12:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph.;
12:35 <CoderForLife> very very foggy
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12:37 <CoderForLife> that just the fog inside my head - don't get me started on what's going on outside
12:37 <CoderForLife> avast is your friend, xcamel
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13:09 <wdsmia> that 1 in of snow forcasted last night turned into 8 in this morning
13:10 <CoderForLife> nice return on your investment, and in such a short timeframe
13:12 <CoderForLife> bbl
13:13 <wdsmia> glad i invested in that mega snow blower
13:22 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf
13:22 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 28Â°F / -2Â°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.42in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 6:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 ° F.; Clear. Low:15 ° F.; Clear. High:28 ° F.; Clear. Low:15 ° F.; Clear. High:32 ° F.; Clear. Low:22 ° F.;
13:23 <xcamel> the BR player works..
13:23 <xcamel> nicely, I might add..
13:25 <PovAddict> &wx eze
13:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 87Â°F / 31Â°C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ARST; Scattered Clouds. High:89 ° F.; Clear. Low:64 ° F.; Clear. High:89 ° F.; Clear. Low:59 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 ° F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 ° F.;
13:25 <xcamel> &wx 12074
13:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 13.6°F / -10.2°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Highs in the lower 20s. Light and variable winds.; Tonight - Snow. Snow may be heavy at times. Snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Lows around 17. Northeast winds (1 more message)
13:25 <xcamel> &more
13:25 <Romulus> xcamel: around 5 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy with snow likely in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 5 to 10 inches possible. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on January 11, 2009;
13:25 <xcamel> &more
13:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: That's all, there is no more.
13:25 <xcamel> just what we need....
13:25 <PovAddict> 31C? that cant be right
13:26 <PovAddict> outside is a zillion degrees
13:26 <xcamel> having a hot flash?
13:26 <DerMeister> I've got -12.2°C at the moment
13:26 <xcamel> you have to calculate the 'heat index'
13:26 <xcamel> Hiya DerMeister
13:27 <DerMeister> Well, quite warm at the moment. Yesterday morning we were down at about -20°C
13:27 <xcamel> where?
13:27 <DerMeister> Germany
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13:28 <xcamel> town?
13:28 <DerMeister> Near Bayreuth
13:28 <xcamel> ok
13:28 <xcamel> news reports saying europe is in a deep freeze
13:44 * [RKN]frost can confirm these reports ;)
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13:49 <Crewsr3> can I get some recommendation on how to get the most credits.
13:52 <DerMeister> Set up your own project :P
13:52 <Crewsr3> Let me restate this. I'm running boinc and like the rosetta project. How can I config my computers to generate higher credits per work done
13:53 <Crewsr3> they are all running 24-7 so how can I configure my computer/profile to get the best bang for my buck when it comes to credits
13:53 <DerMeister> Don't let it run anything else than boinc. Make sure that the cpu isn't throttled down by any power-saving software
13:54 <DerMeister> If you like you can although overclock you're computer but this might get dangerous
13:54 <DerMeister> -although +also
13:55 <Crewsr3> I run linux and killed all of the processes that I can and yet my avg credit work does not go up
13:55 <Crewsr3> is there a way to config my computing pref in a way to get the best credits
13:55 <Crewsr3> like lover time, shorter time,
13:55 <Crewsr3> etc
13:56 <Crewsr3> I even kill the gui when it runs at night
13:56 <Crewsr3> still no visable change
13:56 <DerMeister> From personal experiance with rosetta I would say that you should not set the wu-time to a value lower than 3h. I think I got lower credits for doing so.
13:57 <Crewsr3> right now I have it at 8 hours
13:57 <DerMeister> Well, to get a real change you need to buy better or more hardware ;)
13:58 <DerMeister> Just with changing settings etc. you wont gain much more credits unless your previous configuration was pretty much messed up
14:00 <Crewsr3> there was a time when I was able to get 2000 avg a day and now the best I'm getting is 1200 a day so It makes me thing I change something
14:04 <yoyo[RKN]> re
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14:10 <Crewsr3> thanks for the help
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14:14 <PovAddict> anyone here successfully downloaded win7 beta?
14:14 <PovAddict> <Tidus> yeah... 2.5 million people hammering a few machines all at once kinda makes things crash
14:14 <PovAddict> they should use BitTorrent :)
14:14 <PovAddict> like, officially
14:21 <PovAddict> ok found md5s
14:21 <PovAddict> file is fine \o/
14:33 <Tidus> i've successfully got it... yesterday
14:39 <Tidus> and now i have two keys
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14:52 <Tank_Master> will the SETI gpu app run on a geforece 7900 gs?
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14:58 <MTughan_> Ah, that's what I'm looking for... Tank_Master: http://www.nvidia.com/object/cuda_learn_products.html
14:58 <MTughan_> 7900GS is not on that list.
14:58 <Tank_Master> blasted
14:58 <Tank_Master> :P
14:58 <Tank_Master> I didnt think so
14:58 <Tank_Master> but I was hopin
14:59 <FreeLarry58> it didn't work on the 8400 either Tank_Master
14:59 <MTughan_> I knew I had posted a list on one of the BOINC forums somewhere, but couldn't remember it for the life of me...
14:59 <FreeLarry58> evrything errrored out
14:59 <MTughan_> It also says you should have 256MB of graphics memory.
14:59 <Tank_Master> odd
14:59 <Tank_Master> I think the 8400 works on the gpugrid
14:59 <Tank_Master> its just issues with deadlines
14:59 <FreeLarry58> 8400 also to slow for the gpugrid
14:59 <Tank_Master> yeah
15:00 <MTughan_> How old is the 7900 now?
15:00 <Rookie_69> Laundry becons me. :-S
15:00 <FreeLarry58> would have taken over 100 hrs to complete and 4 day turnaround to quick
15:00 <Tank_Master> I made a mistake last night when I installed the win7 b1
15:00 <FreeLarry58> ouch
15:01 <Tank_Master> I forgot to set it to best performance
15:01 <Tank_Master> so I woke up with it sleeping this morning :P
15:01 <Tank_Master> blasted envirnmentals
15:01 <PovAddict> I wonder if I have a DVD-R around
15:01 <Tank_Master> I just installed off the HD
15:01 <FreeLarry58> vista machine still crashing out frequently here
15:02 <PovAddict> I want to burn it so I can delete it off the HD
15:02 <Tank_Master> win7 is more stable than vista...
15:02 <Tank_Master> sadly enough
15:02 <FreeLarry58> hear they took some things out to make it closer to xp
15:02 <Tank_Master> bout the only thing less stable than vista is a mac
15:03 <MTughan_> You mean a Mac on Vista?
15:03 <MTughan_> OS X is stable.
15:03 <Tank_Master> no, its in meby ways frter away from XP than vista is
15:03 <FreeLarry58> whats the link for win7
15:03 <Tank_Master> hold on
15:04 <MTughan_> "slmgr -rearm"? Does that disable the key checking?
15:04 <PovAddict> download links in my link
15:04 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: That Google group provides tinyurls.
15:04 <Tank_Master> so does rommie
15:05 <MTughan_> And you posted the 64-bit version for 32-bit.
15:05 <Tank_Master> and I dont care for google
15:05 <Tank_Master> after instaling, youll want to patch it
15:05 <MTughan_> Look at the tinyurls Rommie gave, they're the same link.
15:05 <FreeLarry58> humm 180 day
15:06 <FreeLarry58> not sure it worth it to me
15:06 <Tank_Master> 32bit mp3 corruption patch - http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=a754008b-d574-4e39-b4ba-67b859a242b7
15:06 <Tank_Master> 64bit patch - http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=0c56bf3c-9370-4fda-b4c8-5dc63d55626d
15:06 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: Look at your links. You posted the same link for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. It's the 64-bit ISO.
15:07 <PovAddict> stop repeating that... if someone wants 64-bit he can use my link instead :]
15:07 <Tank_Master> 64bit - F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO
15:07 <Tank_Master> there we go
15:07 <MTughan_> Yeah, but if someone's lazy and tried to download the 32-bit version, he'll get the 64-bit instead... Not a good idea.
15:08 <FreeLarry58> true but have 64 bit on most machines here
15:08 <MTughan_> Same. It's only if someone has older hardware. But I'll leave this topic alone now.
15:09 * FreeLarry58 remembers having ME still on machine when xp came out
15:10 <Tank_Master> people with older hardware should be shot :P
15:10 <FreeLarry58> blah
15:10 <Tank_Master> lol
15:10 <FreeLarry58> this machine still working
15:10 <Tank_Master> or go play with dos
15:10 <MTughan_> Up until 2 weeks ago, I had the P4 in here... Damn, that was slow compared to this.
15:10 <FreeLarry58> sorry left it off this machine this time round
15:11 <FreeLarry58> so this machine a P4
15:11 <MTughan_> What socket and clock speed?
15:12 <FreeLarry58> 2.8 think skt 76x?
15:12 <MTughan_> I had a socket 478 and 2.8GHz.
15:12 <MTughan_> LGA755?
15:12 <MTughan_> 775*
15:12 <FreeLarry58> humm this might still be a 478 not sure has been forever since i took off heatsink
15:12 <MTughan_> In the desktop market, at least recently, it was 487 -> LGA775 -> LGA1366.
15:13 <FreeLarry58> 775
15:13 <FreeLarry58> on the others
15:13 <MTughan_> You're more lucky if you have a 775, because then you have a *chance* at least of upgrading to a Core proc.
15:13 <FreeLarry58> humm haven't tried a 1366 yet
15:14 <MTughan_> Although a Core proc would be hampered by the DDR RAM used at the time...
15:14 <FreeLarry58> this machine the oldest in house but not the slowest
15:14 <FreeLarry58> so i found out MTughan
15:14 <MTughan_> :P
15:15 <FreeLarry58> well time to get ready for --w----yuck
15:15 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: what day of the week is it today for you?
15:16 <FreeLarry58> wednsday
15:17 <FreeLarry58> and tomorrow is BDay - 51
15:17 <FreeLarry58> or is that 15
15:17 <PovAddict> not 58?
15:17 * PovAddict points at nickname
15:17 <FreeLarry58> that year
15:17 <PovAddict> oic
15:18 <PovAddict> then yeah 51
15:18 <FreeLarry58> thats what i said 15
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15:18 <PovAddict> whatever you say :)
15:18 <FreeLarry58> lol and next year 25
15:19 <PovAddict> I *think* my parents are older... not sure, my mom has been 50 for a few years now
15:19 <FreeLarry58> 05 > 15> 25 > 35
15:20 <FreeLarry58> works for the first 5 years then have to use correct
15:20 <PovAddict> she had to think twice (or more) when doctor asked for age...
15:20 <FreeLarry58> mom over 70
15:21 <FreeLarry58> lol women still don't like to tell correct year to anyone
15:21 <PovAddict> the doctor said "are you really sure? it's important to have the real age for this..."
15:21 <FreeLarry58> anyway bye now -- tca
15:21 <PovAddict> I bet he has to deal with that problem often
15:22 <PovAddict> convincing women not to lie the age to him
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15:34 <Rookie_69> I don't lie about my age. I'm 26... and have been for 20 years now! Lol.
15:35 <MTughan_> I'm 18, and I don't have to lie about that. :D
15:36 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Laundry is mostly done so now the dirty dishes in the sink are haunting me. I need a live-in maid. ;-)
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15:41 <Rookie_69> ... one who can cook.
15:45 * Rookie_69 remembers dirty slow-cooker on counter from last week and hurries out to soak it.
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15:51 <MTughan_> All right, that should help... Somehow, overnight, Firefox started taking 1GB RAM, 2.3GB of VRAM.
15:51 <MTughan_> And I was wondering why it had slowed down significantly.
15:52 <PovAddict> happened to me once
15:52 <MTughan_> It's not speedy yet, but it's speeding up.
15:53 <PovAddict> restart?
15:54 <MTughan_> It's just grabbing more memory. It'll be fine in a couple minutes.
15:55 <PovAddict> wow
15:55 <PovAddict> upgrading language packs in Ubuntu
15:55 <PovAddict> after installing, 12MB will be *freed*
15:55 <MTughan_> Nice!
15:55 <xcamel> re hi
15:55 <PovAddict> er... wut?
15:56 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.
15:56 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn
15:56 <PovAddict> packages seem to have gone to 33KB
15:56 <xcamel> ok.. I'm totally sold on bluray
15:57 <Rookie_69> I've heard horror stories but never experienced it.
15:57 <xcamel> bought myself a high end unit for xmas
15:58 <xcamel> just got it installed
15:59 <xcamel> watched the new x-files movie. the quality is as good as the theater
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16:11 <sv2_> hey PovAddict - got your email reply...
16:13 <sv2_> boinc would/could almost satisy my needs.. for my potential crawling app/process...
16:14 <sv2_> the onlyissue that i can't get my heand around.. is that the voinc client doesn't return completed work, until all the work has been completed..
16:14 <sv2_> so if i had a client processing multiple workunits..
16:14 <sv2_> the client would have to wait until it had a response/reply for all the workunits..
16:16 <Romulus> Title: Comics - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
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16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> you can send trickle messages, sv2_
16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> but do you really need intermediate results?
16:25 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: from a possibly-wrapped Python app?
16:26 <PovAddict> :)
16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> argh
16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> but why not
16:27 <MTughan_> It would have to be a specially tweaked wrapper.
16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> if the python app somehow writes this info into a file, the wrapper could read it and send trickles
16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> the wrapper must be tweaked anyway, it contains bugs
16:28 <PovAddict> I'm working on something that may avoid use of wrapper in his case
16:30 <yoyo[RKN]> would be easier if the wrapper would be a perl app (or any other scripting language)
16:32 <PovAddict> yay, got the hello world test working
16:33 <Rookie_69> Next is the Goodbye Cruel World test?
16:33 <PovAddict> maybe
16:33 <xcamel> that works
16:35 * Rookie_69 needs a new bulb in his oven... He can't see his pizza burn.
16:37 <Rookie_69> Mmm... burnt just enough. :-)
16:37 <xcamel> toasty pie
16:41 * Rookie_69 notes that pizza sauce can be hot.
16:41 <PovAddict> cheese too
16:43 <Rookie_69> Yup.
16:45 <xcamel> chicken wing pizza tonight
16:45 <xcamel> before the snow hits..
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16:48 <Rookie_69> I never thought of chicken wings, just leftover pig.
16:49 <Rookie_69> That's ok, because I didn't have any leftover chicken wings.
16:50 <xcamel> hot wing pizza (more like chicken tenders in sauce) is fantastic...
16:51 <MTughan_> 53 minutes to compress a file... xD
16:51 <MTughan_> Trying to compress an 8.27GB DV file.
16:51 <MTughan_> &math 8.27 * .9
16:51 <Romulus> MTughan_: 7.443
16:52 <MTughan_> At the rate it's going, that's not too bad.
16:53 <xcamel> try compressing the full FC10 dvd iso...
16:58 * Rookie_69 expects to get Jay's leftover snow tomorrow.
17:00 <xcamel> still can't tell what we're going to get..
17:01 <Rookie_69> Me too... between 2 and 20 cm forecast.
17:03 <Rookie_69> One inch or eight inches... Same thing.
17:05 <xcamel> not exactly
17:06 <Rookie_69> Yeah... 2 cm doesn't usually need to be shoveled.
17:06 <KathrynM> My favorite is the 6 inches of partly cloudy that comes frequently in Cleveland.
17:07 <Rookie_69> Partly cloudy... partly blizzard?
17:07 <Rookie_69> Hi, K.
17:08 <KathrynM> That's when the weather forcasters assure us that it'll just be cloudy and then we get hammered with lake effect snow
17:10 <Rookie_69> No lake effect here... just good old Atlantic storms.
17:12 <Rookie_69> Gulf Stream fighting with Labrador Current is always worth a glance.
17:13 <Rookie_69> ... big fog bank too.
17:14 <sv2_> PovAddict - hey.. just reading the earlier posted msgs... what are you working on that might ease my pain!!
17:15 <PovAddict> no process-level wrapping of python
17:15 <sv2_> yoyo[RKN] - trickle msgs??? care to point to a url for more info??
17:15 <PovAddict> make the python interpreter (running your script) the real BOINC app
17:15 <Rookie_69> Demerol.
17:15 <PovAddict> but since a real BOINC app *has* to use the BOINC API to communicate with the core client...
17:16 <PovAddict> import boinc; boinc.init();
17:16 <sv2_> ohhh!! so i could just have a python script be the client.. which could handle my issues!
17:16 <PovAddict> ...once I finish the python binding to the BOINC API :)
17:17 <sv2_> PovAddict - might have to send you a bottle of vino!
17:17 <yoyo[RKN]> is there not a way to use the wrapper?
17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> I would compile the python script to exe, so you do not need python on the client and than use the wrapper.
17:18 <Rookie_69> No Napa Valley hooch for Argentina's finest (youngest?).
17:20 <sv2_> yoyo[RKN] - you're referring to a .pyc file, yes/no??
17:20 <xcamel> send him a plastic bottle of maddog
17:20 <sv2_> Rookie_69 - i was talking richard's wild irish rose.. or some mad dog 202/0
17:20 <yoyo[RKN]> yes
17:20 <sv2_> Rookie_69 - i was talking richard's wild irish rose.. or some mad dog 20/20
17:21 <Romulus> Title: FrontPage - py2exe.org (at www.py2exe.org)
17:21 <Rookie_69> I was talking about Pov being 18...
17:21 <Rookie_69> :-)
17:21 <Rookie_69> ... I mean ;-)
17:22 <sv2_> PovAddict - probably has no idea what i was referring to...
17:22 <sv2_> i could have kids older that PovAddict
17:23 * PovAddict has had alcohol, didn't like it
17:23 <PovAddict> felt like acid in my mouth
17:24 <Rookie_69> Apparently, people get addicted to acid too.
17:26 <Rookie_69> I'm pretty sure I don't have any kids younger than Pov. :-(
17:27 <MTughan_> PovAddict: Is this normal? http://www.intelligencerealm.com/user/forum_thread.php?id=271&nowrap=true#1583
17:27 <PovAddict> :|
17:27 <MTughan_> I'd say no then.
17:28 <PovAddict> ask if he has a global_prefs_override.xml, otherwise I'd ask in BAM forum
17:28 <MTughan_> Edited.
17:29 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... Maybe it was Michael that was 18... I get confused easily.
17:29 <MTughan_> Both Pov and I are 18.
17:29 <Rookie_69> Oldtimers Disease...
17:29 <Rookie_69> I was 18 once... Once!
17:30 <MTughan_> Uh... PovAddict: Is it just me, or is the update time one hour behind?
17:30 <DerMeister> Yeah, me too... Some years ago ^^
17:30 <MTughan_> WTF? 45 minutes behind...
17:31 * Rookie_69 misquotes Joe Piscopo.
17:32 <xcamel> halfzhimers
17:32 <MTughan_> PovAddict: Can you look at that thread again, and confirm that the "Last modified" is about 45 minutes behind actual time?
17:33 <xcamel> btw the pizza is good..
17:33 <Rookie_69> So was mine.
17:34 <Rookie_69> ... and will be again in the morning.
17:34 <Rookie_69> ...
17:34 <Rookie_69> I hope.
17:36 <sv2_> i was 18... 30 years ago..
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17:36 <Rookie_69> Twice 18... and ten.
17:39 <Rookie_69> ... as far as I remember.
17:39 <xcamel> I was 20, 30 years ago..
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17:53 <sv2_> xcamel so we're kindred souls!
17:53 <xcamel> could be...
17:54 <xcamel> or we're just old farts with computers...
17:55 <Rookie_69> More likely.
17:55 <xcamel> that inclused you...
17:55 <xcamel> includes even
17:55 <Rookie_69> I know.
17:55 <Rookie_69> :-(
17:55 <xcamel> somebody keeps moving the 'S' when I'm not looking...
17:55 <sv2_> xcamel - sorry... can't go there with you!!
17:56 <sv2_> the ladies i deal with wouldn't agree either!
17:56 <xcamel> how many kids yop got?
17:56 <Rookie_69> Funny... It's usually my T key that jumps around.
17:56 <xcamel> or admit to...
17:57 <sv2_> i have no kids.. that i know of!!
17:57 <sv2_> although i do have alot of computers..
17:57 <sv2_> and a couple of cats.. tupac.. and biggie!!
17:57 <Rookie_69> Kaput?
17:58 <Rookie_69> Close...
17:58 <xcamel> kids, cats, dogs, geese, ducks, llamas, alpacas, turkeys, a rabbit...
17:58 <PovAddict> llama llama duck :)
17:58 <Rookie_69> Canadian... Oh, you menyioned Geese.
17:59 <Rookie_69> ... mentioned...
17:59 <PovAddict> <Rookie_69> Funny... It's usually my T key that jumps around.
17:59 <xcamel> turkey llama paca llama duck duck goose.
17:59 <Rookie_69> Lol.
18:00 <Romulus> Title: Flash The Llama Song (at www.albinoblacksheep.com)
18:00 * xcamel 's brain splits open
18:01 <PovAddict> lol
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18:03 <xcamel> bbl..
18:04 * Rookie_69 starts to show his age as he wanders off for a nap.
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18:07 * Rookie_69 finds his bed covered with half dry laundry. :-(
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18:24 <sv2_> hi jackygrahamez - you get my reply email?!
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18:39 <xcamel> ok.. short power nap
18:40 <efc> moo
18:40 <xcamel> 'lo Ed
18:40 <xcamel> spork >> 22.214.171.124
18:45 <jasong> If dual channel RAM is set up properly, is there a difference between the response times of 4x1GB and 2x2GB?
18:55 <xcamel> shouldn't be
18:59 <MTughan_> You get more expanability with 2x2GB though.
18:59 <MTughan_> Eg, I'm going to be adding another 2x2GB to my system tonight. :D
19:01 <PovAddict> 8GB?
19:07 <MTughan_> Yep.
19:07 <PovAddict> h8
19:08 <MTughan_> I think I might have to restart earlier than I was planning though... Getting short on memory 70% of 4GB already, and now explorer is acting up!
19:08 <MTughan_> &math .7 * 4096
19:08 <Romulus> MTughan_: 2867.2
19:09 <MTughan_> &math .7 * 4
19:09 <Romulus> MTughan_: 2.8
19:09 <PovAddict> huh
19:09 <PovAddict> OS?
19:09 <PovAddict> see what app is eating it all, that can't be possible
19:10 <MTughan_> Have to restart too to swap out the power cord. I now have my original massive 14 gauge grounded cord.
19:10 <PovAddict> ah
19:10 <MTughan_> Firefox is taking almost 200MB, and that's the largest.
19:10 <PovAddict> restart Firefox alone...
19:10 <MTughan_> svchost is next, at 168MB.
19:10 <MTughan_> Firefox is downloading a file.
19:10 <PovAddict> but if you have to reboot *anyway*, might as well...
19:11 <MTughan_> Firefox tops all the memory columns, except for "Paged Pool". audiodg takes that there (audiodg being the Windows audio driver).
19:15 <sv2_> you guys don't know how good you have it.. with mem going for ~5$/Gig....
19:15 <sv2_> i remember using tape to write simple programs on!! on a teletype machine!!
19:16 <MTughan_> This 8GB still cost me $300CDN.
19:16 <MTughan_> $200*
19:16 <xcamel> isn't that about $35 US now
19:16 <xcamel> ??
19:16 <MTughan_> Yes, it's not the couple thousand it used to be.
19:17 <MTughan_> DDR2-1066 RAM.
19:17 <sv2_> really?? i just saw an add for 4G (2x2) for ~40/50$...
19:17 <MTughan_> What speed? I got a higher speed.
19:17 <MTughan_> And this 4GB kit was $100CDN.
19:17 <sv2_> i think this was 600
19:17 <MTughan_> I doubled that for 2x2x2GB, or 4x2GB.
19:17 <PovAddict> ¤cy convert 100 CAD USD
19:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: 100.00 cad = 84.19 usd
19:18 <sv2_> i recall playing with a vax 11/780 with 10M of mem.. and thought i was in heaven!!
19:18 <MTughan_> lol
19:18 <PovAddict> why don't you write the crawler in C++ then? to save memory
19:19 <sv2_> rambus just had their patents overturned in a lawsuit by micron..
19:19 <sv2_> PovAddict - python has easier to use routines to deal with string/dom/text manipulation...
19:19 <PovAddict> what would you do in 10MB? :)
19:20 <sv2_> hey.. we used to write early tank trainer simulators in that mess..
19:20 <sv2_> we had the seriously large disk platters for drive storage...
19:20 <MTughan_> Now we have graphics cards with 1GB of RAM... And dual GPU cards with 2GB of RAM. :D
19:20 <sv2_> damm .. i feel old!!! .. make that wise!
19:21 <sv2_> progress!
19:21 <PovAddict> I don't call it progress when glorified text editors (IDEs) can reach 300MB...
19:21 <PovAddict> of RAM usage
19:21 <sv2_> i've told people for 20-25 yers.. that engineers by and large are the only ones who get pleasure out of creating things that put people out of jobs..!!
19:21 <MTughan_> Are those the indexing features doing that?
19:21 <PovAddict> :D
19:21 <sv2_> PovAddict - always charcoal and rock!
19:22 <MTughan_> lol, nice..
19:22 <PovAddict> MTughan_: no, mostly the fact that it's Java :)
19:22 <MTughan_> Ah, Eclipse?
19:22 <MTughan_> You gonna eclipse Eclipse's RAM usage? :P
19:22 <PovAddict> and GC only cares about the program itself not running out of memory
19:23 <PovAddict> doesn't give a crap about leaving little memory left for other programs in the same computer
19:23 <MTughan_> w00t, explorer's back up!
19:23 <MTughan_> 2 minutes on the download, and then I'm restarting...
19:24 <MTughan_> Gah, damn speed governors on Linux... Proc scaled down to 0.8GHz again...
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19:45 <efc> sv2_: I used a Microvax in the not-so-distant past..
19:45 <xcamel> how about a nixdorf mini and unibasic
19:48 <efc> Sounds ugly
19:51 <efc> we shut off the vax 6200 a few years ago
19:55 <MTughan_> bbiab
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19:59 <CoderForLife> re-hi
19:59 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140
19:59 <efc> moo CFL
19:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.1°F / 0.1°C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph.;
19:59 <CoderForLife> moo efc
20:00 <KathrynM> morning
20:00 <CoderForLife> hey KathrynM
20:00 <efc> tried out some PVC fittings for the telescope parts today. 6" PVC too big for the objective. 1 1/4" is ok for the eyepiece.
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20:00 <KathrynM> got all my photos resized last night
20:00 <CoderForLife> just watched a footbrawl game while Coding on the warbird musuem online store
20:00 * KathrynM misses football
20:01 <KathrynM> especially the tight ends..................
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20:01 <CoderForLife> lol
20:01 <KathrynM> jackygrahamez!
20:01 <jackygrahamez> hi
20:01 <jackygrahamez> Hi KathrynM
20:02 <CoderForLife> I hope you meet your objective objective efc
20:03 <xcamel> 'lo Jack, Don
20:04 <CoderForLife> hello Jay
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20:06 <jackygrahamez> ay mates
20:06 <CoderForLife> pretty soon you'll be able to order bricks for the "Walk of Veterans" at the warbird museum online - don't everyone applaud at once
20:06 * KathrynM applauds
20:07 <KathrynM> soon(ish) I'll have pictures in my gallery
20:07 * CoderForLife applauds
20:07 <KathrynM> don't everyone applaud at once :-]
20:07 <KathrynM> lol
20:07 <KathrynM> I got them resized last night.
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20:07 <CoderForLife> I got to get this nice ape off my back
20:08 <KathrynM> Doing them direcotry by directory was faster than trying to figure out how to write a script to go through the directories
20:08 <MTughan> Just doing a Memtest now...
20:08 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM, can i see your boincstats ?
20:08 <CoderForLife> I remember now - you're Michael
20:09 <CoderForLife> did i pass your memtest?
20:09 <MTughan> >_>
20:09 <MTughan> Just finished installing another 4GB of RAM in here for a total of 8GB. Testing it so if it fails, I can take it back.
20:09 <KathrynM> Soul_keeper, yea
20:09 <CoderForLife> ah
20:10 <efc> Got a new x58 board MTughan?
20:10 <MTughan> If I had an x58, I'd do triple-channel, and have 6GB. So no.
20:10 <MTughan> It's a P45.
20:11 <xcamel> dfl -- major recommendation on bluray
20:11 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM, i think you're more powerfull than CoderForLife :)
20:11 <MTughan> Hmm?
20:12 <Soul_keeper> i got a p35 works great
20:12 <MTughan> xcamel: What were you talking about with Blu-Ray?
20:12 <xcamel> got mine up and running - outstanding video
20:13 <MTughan> You know they can fit HD video on a DVD, just that they didn't want to stick with the old?
20:14 <xcamel> your point?
20:14 <Soul_keeper> good work KathrynM
20:14 <KathrynM> huh?
20:14 <MTughan> Do a comparison. 8GB DVD can be compressed down to 1.5GB.
20:17 <Soul_keeper> was thinking about adding you :)
20:17 <KathrynM> ah
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20:27 <CoderForLife> gn boincsters
20:27 <MTughan> Night CFL.
20:32 <xcamel> laterz..
20:37 <MTughan> &math .5 / .22
20:37 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.27272727273
20:38 <MTughan> 2.3 hours to do the Memtest... :(
20:38 <MTughan> At current rates anyway.
20:38 <KathrynM> woo hoo! I figured it out!
20:38 <Romulus> Title: Gallery (at esladventures.net)
20:39 <MTughan> Nice.
20:39 <KathrynM> Blog's up too
20:39 <KathrynM> I need to move the files over from wp.com so I can set that blog to private
20:53 <xcamel> laterz...
20:54 <Rookie_69> I went for a nap and dozed off.
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20:58 <Tidus> i must say... windows 7 isn't all it's cracked up to be
21:00 <MTughan> You're on it now?
21:00 <Tidus> yeah
21:01 <MTughan> Had a bear of a time getting a key last night... Download of the ISO was easy enough.
21:01 <Tidus> did an in place upgrade from vista
21:01 <MTughan> Ah, I'm also doing a clean install.
21:01 <Tidus> oh hell they gave me 3 keys this morning just trying to get the iso
21:01 <MTughan> lol
21:01 <Tidus> brb, restarting for video card driver
21:05 <Rookie_69> The guy in the apartment behind me must be playing country music again... I can hear both notes clearly.
21:13 <efc> Country or Western?
21:14 <Rookie_69> Yes.
21:15 <Rookie_69> I'm drowning it out with 70's music... including disco... I dunno.
21:16 <Rookie_69> ... Doug's radio... 93.3 KIOA.
21:22 <MTughan> wdsmia: Are you playing country?
21:23 <Rookie_69> I don't think Doug lives in the apartment next to me...
21:24 <MTughan> Where are you?
21:24 <Romulus> hmm... you are upper fayl, MTughan
21:25 <Rookie_69> Dartmouth.
21:25 <MTughan> Maybe Doug's playing over shortwave... xD
21:25 <Romulus> Title: 93.3 KIOA - Iowa's Greatest Hits - Homepage (at www.kioa.com)
21:25 <MTughan> wdsmia -> West DeS Moines, IowA.
21:26 <Rookie_69> Maybe...
21:26 <Rookie_69> :-)
21:28 <Tidus> well that about broke it.
21:28 <MTughan> If he were a radio-show host, it might explain where he gets the money for all the computers. xD
21:28 <MTughan> Tidus: What video card?
21:28 <Tidus> nvidia 7600-go
21:28 <Tidus> had to disable driver signature enforcement
21:28 <MTughan> Cause I know ATI has Windows 7 beta drivers. Does Nvidia not?
21:29 <Tidus> they're built in to the os
21:29 <Tidus> according to nvidia
21:30 <Tidus> but... the stock drivers give absolutely terrible performance
21:31 <MTughan> I'll see how it goes later on tonight... I've just got to rid one partition of 70GB of video, then I have a free drive to use.
21:31 <MTughan> I've got a Radeon HD4870.
21:37 <Tidus> uhoh.
21:37 <Tidus> BIG stopping point
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21:37 <Tidus> it's only using a single core on my dualcore
21:41 <Rookie_69> Goto bios and turn on multi proc?
21:41 <Tidus> Rookie_69: haven't changed anything on it since vista (which used both cores)
21:43 <Rookie_69> I'm out of ideas then.
21:43 <MTughan> Does it show both cores in device manager?
21:43 <Tidus> nope
21:44 <Tidus> it seems to have gotten setup for a generic single proc pc
21:44 <MTughan> What proc?
21:44 <Tidus> even though both cores are active in bios
21:44 <Tidus> it's a core 2 T5500
21:44 <MTughan> Yeah, that's not that old... Odd.
21:46 <Tidus> brb
21:46 <Tidus> might have found af ix
21:48 <Rookie_69> I tried windoze XP 64 bit beta years ago and gave up because of glitches and lack of available drivers... It's a Beta!
21:48 <MTughan> I don't think XP x64 ever had too many drivers.
21:49 <Rookie_69> That box eventually got linux loaded on it.
21:50 <Rookie_69> ... and crunches ABC@home just fine.
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21:57 <Rookie_69> Ray Stevens... The Streak... :-)
22:09 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Astropulse waiting for memory... Do you think I'm overtasking this box?
22:10 <Rookie_69> No matter... LHC is running in the meantime.
22:12 <Tidus> fixed it
22:12 <Tidus> MTughan: if it doesn't work correct for you, msconfig -> boot -> advanced -> detect hal -> restart twice
22:13 <MTughan> Thanks Tidus.
22:16 * MTughan likes Linux
22:17 <MTughan> Hasn't gone over 1GB of RAM used in my 2GB laptop, no swap.
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22:30 <lakitu> hey - i think - not sure - but i think Boinc took out half my memory - i uninstalled it, but ever since: i can only use half my memory =/ i like BOINC, but i think it gave my computer an issue.
22:30 <PovAddict> it *is* (remotely) possible that it caused your RAM to overheat :)
22:30 <PovAddict> so half your RAM burned up
22:31 <lakitu> hm, how do i test?
22:31 <PovAddict> seems super-unlikely though
22:31 <PovAddict> what OS?
22:31 <Romulus> Rumor has it what OS are you on, PovAddict
22:31 <lakitu> win xp
22:31 <PovAddict> I'd say first step open computer case and see if all RAM sticks are correctly connected, maybe one got loose :)
22:32 <MTughan> And hope you have two RAM sticks.
22:32 <lakitu> but it still lists the total as 3.5 gigs (usable)
22:32 <PovAddict> how much do you really have?
22:32 <lakitu> that much - actually 4.0, but i think some is allocated for the video card
22:32 <Rookie_69> Memory is about the only component I haven's blown up.
22:32 <MTughan> Are you on XP 32-bit or 64-bit?
22:33 <PovAddict> I don't understand your problem then
22:33 <lakitu> but at about ~1200 or ~1500 i run out of memory
22:33 <lakitu> 32bit
22:33 <PovAddict> so Windows lists the correct total
22:33 <lakitu> 1200-1500 mb
22:33 <lakitu> yes
22:33 <MTughan> It should've never shown 4GB then, unless you have PAE on.
22:33 <PovAddict> (you can't use all 4GB if you have 32-bit, so showing 3.5GB is "normal")
22:33 <lakitu> right - i understand that
22:33 <lakitu> that's not the issue
22:33 <PovAddict> the problem is you "run out of memory" with just 1.5GB used?
22:33 <lakitu> i'm running out at half my available memory
22:33 <lakitu> yes
22:34 <lakitu> this is pretty recent
22:34 <lakitu> it DID work fine
22:34 <lakitu> i suspected BOINC & uninstalled it, but the 'ceiling' still seems to be there
22:34 <lakitu> =/
22:34 <lakitu> how do i test RAM?
22:35 <lakitu> or would it not show 3.5GB if it was burned out
22:35 <MTughan> You can get a copy of Memtest86, but that can't test from Windows.
22:35 <Romulus> Title: Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool (at www.memtest.org)
22:36 <PovAddict> can boot from CD, USB key, or floppy
22:36 <lakitu> memory's cheap, i'm fine with buying more memory, if it's burnt out. but i just want to figure out what the problem is
22:37 <lakitu> ok, going to try it - thanks
22:37 <lakitu> for the help
22:37 <lakitu> maybe bb
22:37 <MTughan> Tell me about it... Basically got 8GB for $200. :D
22:38 <MTughan> And fast RAM at that.
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22:39 <MTughan> Whoa... If you triple-click the tab bar in FF, it opens a new tab.
22:40 <MTughan> At least with 3.1b2. Dunno if it's in 3.0.x.
22:40 <PovAddict> double-clicking an empty space in the tab bar works since maybe 1.0 :)
22:41 <MTughan> An empty space, yes. But this is on an existing tab.
22:41 <sigmund_> it's not in 3.0.5 osx, at lest
22:41 <Rookie_69> I just bought 4 MB of mem for $300. Oh wait... That was 18 years ago or so.
22:41 <MTughan> lol
22:42 <sigmund_> I think it's forbidden by Moores Law go regret prices paid for copmuter hardware in the distant past.
22:43 <Rookie_69> How about the recent past?
22:43 <PovAddict> fined under moore's law?
22:43 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: ah but how recent is recent and how distant is distant?
22:43 <sigmund_> I remember my 2.1GB drive from 1992.....
22:43 <PovAddict> a judge will have to decide
22:43 <MTughan> sigmund_: Hard drive?
22:44 <sigmund_> MTughan: yep
22:44 <MTughan> Yep... And now you can get a 1TB drive for $150 or less. I haven't checked for a while.
22:44 <PovAddict> I'd never buy such a big drive
22:45 <MTughan> The drive would wear out before you used it all? :P
22:45 <PovAddict> I don't trust bits so close together
22:45 <Rookie_69> I would.
22:45 <sigmund_> and I remember buying 1GB of 266DDR ECC for 300$ or so in 2001
22:45 <MTughan> You know they used multiple platters now, right?
22:45 <PovAddict> did they ever have only one platter?
22:45 <MTughan> Yes.
22:45 <MTughan> $174 for a 1.5TB drive... >_>
22:46 <Rookie_69> My first HD was MFM and 20 MB?..
22:46 <sigmund_> MTughan: that drive is actually still working. Although it's about as noisy as a 747 during takeoff :s
22:46 <MTughan> Nice. :P
22:47 <sigmund_> Not really. Except from my ability to ake up my entire block at will :P
22:48 <sigmund_> but, talking about expensive hardware, anyone know where to get a cheap SPARC laptop?
22:49 <Rookie_69> Somebody used the words cheap and laptop in the same sentence?
22:49 <MTughan> I think you can get a $300 laptop.
22:50 <MTughan> And I'm not thinking of the OLPC laptops.
22:50 <sigmund_> I usually buy my current PowerPC 12"s in pairs these days, compaired to their usefullness they're pretty cheap..
22:50 <MTughan> You still get PPC procs?
22:51 <sigmund_> MTughan: Apple G4 1,5GHz 12".
22:51 <MTughan> iBook?
22:51 <sigmund_> powerbook
22:51 <MTughan> I think the PowerBooks were bigger...
22:51 <MTughan> Or not.
22:51 <MTughan> I had a MacBook, Intel Core Duo 2.0GHz. It's being replaced by Apple after three failed motherboards.
22:51 <sigmund_> I onyl wish they would make a serious 12" these days :(
22:52 <MTughan> Or logic boards, as Apple calls them.
22:52 <sigmund_> i would pay from the nose if they could get me one of those
22:52 <sigmund_> one of my 12" powerbooks blew up while I was using it
22:52 <sigmund_> battery malfunction happening on my lap
22:53 <sigmund_> Apple gave me a 13,3" black full spec as a replacement
22:53 <MTughan> Barring quality, you can get an Acer 8.9" laptop for $265CDN.
22:53 <sigmund_> I gave it to my brother and purchased a second hand 12" powerbook to replace my old one
22:53 <Rookie_69> Ice your lap first or too much heat builds up.
22:54 <MTughan> You don't like the Intel processors?
22:54 <sigmund_> MTughan: I just think that 13,3" widescreen is overrated, and I believe the 12" form factor is the ultimate laptop for travelling
22:55 <MTughan> I think it's about the same height as a 12", but I'd have to check that.
22:55 <sigmund_> and I am a touring sound/AV engineer, and need to bring my laptop everwhere
22:55 <sigmund_> it's about the same height, but wider (doh) and weighs more
22:56 <sigmund_> it barely fit into my backpack at the time, and my 6 plane rides every week made my point during the 4 months I had it.
22:57 <sigmund_> I'm far more comfortable using a 3 year old laptop than using the current 13,3" form apple
22:57 <MTughan> The new aluminum MacBooks are slightly lighter than the lastest 12" PB.
22:57 <MTughan> All the plastic models were slightly heavier.
22:57 <sigmund_> On top of that I would like being taken seriously, not them cutting out firewire, and never even having an extension slot on the 13,3"s.
22:58 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't know why they cut out FW...
22:58 <sigmund_> Whu do I have to drag around a 15" to be a "professional"?
22:58 <MTughan> And 15" is definitely bigger and heavier.
22:58 <Rookie_69> ... as long as your complaint isn't that it won't balance on your steering wheel...
22:58 <MTughan> lol
22:58 <sigmund_> I thoght doing all the national broadcasted award shows qualified me as a "professional"
23:00 <Rookie_69> Doing all the award winners might make you a "Professional" though... ;-)
23:00 <sigmund_> Hehe. I wish
23:01 <sigmund_> Just get me Apple R&D on the line, I bet I could personally sell 1000 12" MBPs just one the ppl asking me what laptop I use every bloody week
23:03 <sigmund_> But I would really like a SPARCIV laptop to run solaris on.
23:03 <MTughan> You can run Solaris on x86. Dunno about PPC.
23:04 <sigmund_> opensolaris is kinda ppc
23:04 <sigmund_> x86 is not interesting, it's for pussies :P
23:04 <MTughan> I don't know, most of the BOINC world uses it or a derivative called x86_64.
23:05 <PovAddict> most of the world uses x86
23:05 <PovAddict> that doesn't make it good
23:05 <Rookie_69> It's not what you have... It's how you use it.
23:05 <PovAddict> it's like Windows
23:05 <sigmund_> i have several frebsd servers running x86_64
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23:06 <sigmund_> perhaps I'll just move to ppc g4 running openbsd or something, that'll have to do as to obscurity
23:06 <sigmund_> but I think I'd just be happier having a Sun branded laptop to drag around with me.
23:06 <PovAddict> run GNU Hurd on a universal turing machine...
23:08 <sigmund_> PovAddict: I heard I had to pay Stallman my weight in beer in order to obtain a license to GNU Hurd
23:08 <PovAddict> sigmund_: not really, you can just download Hurd
23:08 <PovAddict> good luck getting it to WORK though
23:09 <sigmund_> Oh, that's where the beer comes in handy
23:09 <Tank_Master> lol
23:09 <MTughan> 'lo TM
23:10 <MTughan> I just upgraded my machine to 8GB RAM. :D
23:10 <Tank_Master> howdu MT
23:10 <Tank_Master> lol
23:10 <Tank_Master> nice
23:11 <sigmund_> Oh. There's another reason for me to whine. The G4 12" only goes to 1,25
23:11 <sigmund_> and the largest 2,5" PATA HDD is 250GB
23:12 <sigmund_> And by that I guess I have bothered you enough. Good nigh, everyone :)
23:12 <MTughan> Just looking that up... I would think you can get bigger.
23:13 <MTughan> Oh, apparently not.
23:13 <Rookie_69> I enjoy a good whine once in a while.
23:13 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... That's wine.
23:13 <MTughan> 2.5" SATA drives go up to at least 500GB...
23:13 <MTughan> Stupid manufacturers.
23:13 <MTughan> Whoa... 500GB laptop drives? That's massive.
23:14 <sigmund_> MTughan: there are unconfirmed romours of some strange 2GB chip giving lucky users 2,25GB, but I've never been able to obtain details
23:14 <MTughan> Largest 7200rpm drive is 320GB.
23:14 <MTughan> 2.25GB of what?
23:15 <sigmund_> RAM
23:15 <MTughan> What speed RAM? DDR2, with two slots, you can go to at least 4GB, and possibly 8GB.
23:15 <sigmund_> oh, you were talking hard drives all away. Think I really have to go to bed now :)
23:15 <MTughan> lol, night.
23:16 <sigmund_> It's a "logic board" limitation.
23:16 <sigmund_> Good night :)
23:16 <sigmund_> (it being 5.16 AM here should be reason enough)
23:17 <Rookie_69> Almost time to get up.
23:20 <Rookie_69> I took a three hour nap, so it's really only 9:20 here to me.
23:22 <MTughan> Well, going on the fact that Firewire is missing on the new MBs... A poll held on a Mac site asked what would you rather keep, Ethernet or Firewire?
23:23 <MTughan> 61% said Firewire, 39% said Ethernet.
23:23 <PovAddict> what.
23:25 <MTughan> Frankly, I don't blame them. It's easy enough to set up a secure WAP, and that makes Ethernet not needed.
23:25 <Tank_Master> I dont see any use for fireware
23:25 <Tank_Master> all my devices I ave are usb
23:25 <MTughan> DV cameras, external HDDs, high-end audio equipment.
23:26 <Tank_Master> and why would you want to get rid of ethernet?
23:26 <MTughan> Not get rid of it. Replace it.
23:26 <Tank_Master> ah
23:26 <MTughan> Oh, and you can do Ethernet over Firewire. :D
23:26 <PovAddict> I'd use ethernet and stop using wi-fi, if I could
23:26 <PovAddict> it's just the practical issue of running ethernet cable upstairs, and well, iPhone/iPod touch :)
23:27 <MTughan> Get a PCI wireless card.
23:27 <PovAddict> huh
23:28 <PovAddict> already did
23:28 <PovAddict> if I could, I'd wire it instead
23:28 <MTughan> Oh sorry, I took it as the other way around... Ignore that.
23:29 <Rookie_69> Mom won't mind all the cables laying around the house...
23:29 <MTughan> Wireless-to-Ethernet bridge? :P
23:32 <Rookie_69> I have cables tied up where they're least likely to trip me...
23:33 <Rookie_69> ... except for that one across the bedroom door...
23:34 <MTughan> That's what I'm looking for...
23:34 <Rookie_69> Rockin' Pneumonia and the boogie woogie blues...
23:35 <MTughan> That's hard to type out...
23:37 <Rookie_69> Oh... Rockin' Pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu.
23:38 <KathrynM> well, I guess I should get moving. I have no desire to go out, but there's a serious lack of food in the house.
23:39 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan
23:39 <Rookie_69> http://www.netgear.com/Products/RoutersandGateways/SuperGWirelessRouters/WGT624.aspx That's the one I have.
23:39 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 39Â°F / 4Â°C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM KST; Chance of Snow. High:35 ° F.; Chance of Snow. Low:22 ° F.; Clear. High:33 ° F.; Clear. Low:22 ° F.; Clear. High:35 ° F.; Clear. Low:26 ° F.;
23:39 <KathrynM> laters
23:40 <Rookie_69> Bye.
23:42 <Rookie_69> All work and no food makes house a dull place.
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23:54 <Rookie_69> Imagine that.
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