IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-01-10

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03:08 <sv2_> morning....

03:08 <CoderForLife> morning

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03:16 <Tidus> way early morning, but morning

03:17 <CoderForLife> way early morning 2 u 2

03:18 <CoderForLife> I'm having a terrible time getting a good Windows 7 download

03:19 <up365> who says it'll be any good after the download

03:22 <Tidus> CoderForLife: i got my disc already, just seems MS can't keep the keymaker up

03:23 <CoderForLife> I worry about the quality of download and the keys

03:23 <Tidus> i got mine straight from ms proper

03:24 <CoderForLife> I get 0.5 to 1.0GB, then the xfer stops

03:24 <CoderForLife> I'm on my 12th attempt or so

03:24 <Tidus> yeah, their servers got hammered hard

03:25 <Soul_keeper> why not just download linux if it's such a hassle ?

03:26 <Soul_keeper> i don't understand you people sometimes ...

03:26 <CoderForLife> I have all kinds of Linux

03:26 <CoderForLife> I don't have Windows 7

03:27 <CoderForLife> I need to look at Windows 7

03:27 <CoderForLife> it's simple, really

03:27 <Soul_keeper> well i don't have a sharp calculator,  don't mean i wanna head down to the dodge dealer and buy a truck to get it as a "free prize"

03:28 <Soul_keeper> nm, have fun

03:29 <CoderForLife> yeah, phun

03:30 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

03:46 <CoderForLife> re-b

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04:16 <sv2_> hey... if a client gets multiple workunits.. can it be configured to send results back before others have completed..

04:22 <CoderForLife> completed results are sent back at next server contact, even before other waiting WUs are completed

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04:24 <sv2_> CoderForLife - so is it possible to have a client process 5 work units... have each workunit be asynchronously spawned off to a local app... get the results of the local app as they're completed, and return the finished results.. and then repeat process..

04:25 <sv2_> something tells me you can't 'stuff' a client all the time.. that the client only grabs a chunk of work units on a periodic basis..

04:25 <sv2_> what i really need to be able to accomplish... is to run multiple clients on the client server..

04:29 <CoderForLife> a WU is a chunk of a larger problem - WUs don't get chunked

04:30 <CoderForLife> why don't you "let BOINC be BOINC"?  seems like you want it to be some kind of local grid computing environment

04:38 <sv2_> CoderForLife - i'm willing to let boinc be whatever... but i'm also attemtping to see if it might suit my needs.. not sure yet if it will, or won't...

04:45 <CoderForLife> take a look at Amazon EC2

04:45 <CoderForLife> also Hadoop

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04:48 <Soul_keeper>,6610.html

04:48 <Romulus> <> (at

04:50 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.5F / 0.3C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 29.90in / 1012.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Rain this morning...then rain likely with a chance of snow this afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southeast winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south early this afternoon...then becoming northwest late. Chance of (1 more message)

04:51 <CoderForLife> &more

04:51 <Romulus> CoderForLife: precipitation 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain and snow showers in the evening. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph.;

04:54 <Soul_keeper> 7 of the 10 fastest super computers are owned by the energy department ...  interesting

05:08 <CoderForLife> your tax dollars at work

05:16 <Soul_keeper> step 1: get a job at energy department

05:16 <Soul_keeper> step 2: bring boinc on a cd

05:16 <Soul_keeper> download/usb stick/whatever

05:16 <Soul_keeper> :)

05:17 <Tidus> lol... watch you get pegged as a threat to 'national security'

05:18 <Soul_keeper> ha

05:19 <Soul_keeper> long as you get away with it for atleast 1 day :)  it'd be worth it just for the big blip on the RAC ....

05:19 <Tidus> lol

05:19 <Tidus> big blip alright...

05:20 <Tidus> more like big <font size=72>blip</font>

05:21 <Soul_keeper> supposedly the power of 10,000 of the fastest laptops

05:21 <Soul_keeper> correction:  100,000

05:22 * Soul_keeper wanders off to fall asleep and dream of super computers

06:25 <CoderForLife> off to the store - bbl

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08:06 <xcamel> 'lo

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08:22 <Soul_keeper> good work

08:24 <KathrynM> I think I have a new favorite show.

08:24 <KathrynM>

08:24 <Romulus> <> (at

08:25 <KathrynM> It's totally cracking me up

08:33 <Soul_keeper> :)

08:40 <xcamel>

08:40 <Romulus> Title: BBC NEWS | Europe | Cat turns up on weatherman's set (at

08:48 <xcamel> cute vid

08:54 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 1.6F / -16.9C | Humidity: 90% | Pressure: 30.41in / 1029.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a chance of snow this afternoon. Highs in the lower 20s. Light and variable winds. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tonight - Snow. Snow may be heavy at times. Snow (2 more messages)

08:54 <xcamel> &more

08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Lows around 17. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy with snow likely in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 5 to 10 inches possible. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in effect until (1 more message)

08:54 <xcamel> &more

08:54 <Romulus> xcamel: 12:00 PM EST on January 11, 2009;

08:56 <xcamel> ..laughs again

08:57 <xcamel>

08:57 <Romulus> <> (at

09:03 <xcamel> hold your breayh:

09:03 <xcamel>

09:04 <Romulus> <> (at

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09:18 <xcamel> spork >>

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09:25 <CoderForLife> all the fine folks at Krogers send their greetings

09:25 <CoderForLife> yes, both of them

09:26 <CoderForLife> gesporkened - thx xcamel

09:29 <xcamel> Wash Times is getting really sloppy...

09:29 <xcamel> re: commissioning of CVN-77... George H.W. Bush carrier..

09:30 <CoderForLife> Sandy Berger the publisher?

09:30 <xcamel> last line of news story...

09:30 <xcamel> "The aircraft carrier will be the 10th and final Nimitz-class sub and the ninth in the Navy's fleet."

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09:30 <xcamel> um... say what?

09:30 <CoderForLife> huh?

09:30 <CoderForLife> sub-carrier?

09:31 <xcamel> they're morons.

09:31 <CoderForLife> did we sell one to the Chinese?

09:31 <xcamel>

09:31 <Romulus> <> (at

09:32 <xcamel> check that.. the reporter and copy editor are morons.

09:32 <CoderForLife> lol  written by a Carter

09:32 <CoderForLife> nuke-you-ler

09:33 <CoderForLife> I'm on my 26th Win7 download attempt

09:34 <CoderForLife> I've gotten as far as 345MB out of 2.4GB before it craps out

09:34 <CoderForLife> brb  changing out of street clothes into Coder spandex

09:35 <xcamel>

09:35 <Romulus> <> (at

09:36 <xcamel> wow - all the way up to 7F

09:37 <KathrynM> Coder spandex?

09:37 <KathrynM> I don't even want to know :p

09:40 <CoderForLife> heh  -- thought that would get a response from someone

09:41 <xcamel> TMI, generally..

09:41 <CoderForLife> j/k btw

09:42 <xcamel> hoping it makes it to 10F bedore we go out to feed...

09:42 <xcamel> before, even.

09:42 <CoderForLife> we're above freezing so we're merely getting soaked

09:43 <CoderForLife> need my hobbit Second Breakfast after all that food shopping - bbiab

09:44 <xcamel> Second Breakfast should be just a second cup of hot black coffee

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10:29 <CoderForLife> back

10:29 <CoderForLife> I couldn't resist some of that freshly-made popcorn chicken

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10:42 <CoderForLife> that was some heavy rain this morning - glad it wasn't freezing rain

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10:45 <CoderForLife> hey z

10:45 <zombie67> hi

10:45 <zombie67> POV around?

10:45 <CoderForLife> looks away

10:45 <zombie67> k

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10:52 <xcamel> very very cold..

10:53 <xcamel> friggin burrrrr...

10:53 <zombie67> it's ~30F here at lake level at Lake Tahoe

10:53 <xcamel> 11F up from -2

10:54 <zombie67> sorry, 20F

10:56 <xcamel> 30 would be tshirt weather

10:57 <wdsmia> very white here

10:57 <xcamel> local landmark burned to the ground last night...

11:02 <xcamel>

11:02 <Romulus> <> (at

11:05 <xcamel> been around since the late 1700's

11:09 <xcamel> too bad

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11:11 <xcamel> more of a bar/hangout now...

11:11 <xcamel> correction... smoldering pile now.

11:15 <xcamel> ip kill >>

11:16 <CoderForLife> ip smackdown - operation complete

11:17 <CoderForLife> bbl

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11:25 <xcamel> kind of a shame, though.

11:47 <CoderForLife> turning them pages is always hard

11:50 <xcamel> for that little town, it would be like Skyline burning down.

11:50 <CoderForLife> all of them - a tragedy of epic proportions

11:51 <CoderForLife> probably more like The Golden Lamb in Lebanon

11:52 <CoderForLife> a few presidents have stayed there over the years when it was an inn

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11:53 <xcamel> ok.. here is an odd one

11:54 <xcamel> I have some 'software updater' that pops up on winduhs - but is blocked by an activex restriction...

11:54 * CoderForLife clicks File - Open - Oddities

11:54 <xcamel> how to find/kill it

11:55 <CoderForLife> what's the message?

11:55 <xcamel> running spybot s&d

11:56 <xcamel> dunno - popped up overnight - just closed the windows

11:56 <xcamel> didn't really see a message I could track down or trace out

12:01 <xcamel> s&d didn't find anything - avast next..

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12:35 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

12:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 38.4F / 3.6C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; This Afternoon - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance of rain. Highs near 40. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A chance of rain with a slight chance of freezing rain in the evening. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest (1 more message)

12:35 <CoderForLife> &more

12:35 <Romulus> CoderForLife: winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 30 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 30s. West winds around 5 mph.;

12:35 <CoderForLife> very very foggy

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12:37 <CoderForLife> that just the fog inside my head - don't get me started on what's going on outside

12:37 <CoderForLife> avast is your friend, xcamel

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13:09 <wdsmia> that 1 in of snow forcasted last night turned into 8 in this morning

13:10 <CoderForLife> nice return on your investment, and in such a short timeframe

13:12 <CoderForLife> bbl

13:13 <wdsmia> glad i invested in that mega snow blower

13:22 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

13:22 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 28°F / -2°C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.42in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 6:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:15 F.; Clear. High:28 F.; Clear. Low:15 F.; Clear. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:22 F.;

13:23 <xcamel> the BR player works..

13:23 <xcamel> nicely, I might add..

13:25 <PovAddict> &wx eze

13:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 87°F / 31°C | Humidity: 30% | Pressure: 30.07in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM ARST; Scattered Clouds. High:89 F.; Clear. Low:64 F.; Clear. High:89 F.; Clear. Low:59 F.; Scattered Clouds. High:86 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:64 F.;

13:25 <xcamel> &wx 12074

13:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 13.6F / -10.2C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; This Afternoon - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Highs in the lower 20s. Light and variable winds.; Tonight - Snow. Snow may be heavy at times. Snow accumulation of 4 to 8 inches. Lows around 17. Northeast winds (1 more message)

13:25 <xcamel> &more

13:25 <Romulus> xcamel: around 5 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy with snow likely in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Total snow accumulation of 5 to 10 inches possible. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on January 11, 2009;

13:25 <xcamel> &more

13:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: That's all, there is no more.

13:25 <xcamel> just what we need....

13:25 <PovAddict> 31C? that cant be right

13:26 <PovAddict> outside is a zillion degrees

13:26 <xcamel> having a hot flash?

13:26 <DerMeister> I've got -12.2C at the moment

13:26 <xcamel> you have to calculate the 'heat index'

13:26 <xcamel> Hiya DerMeister

13:27 <DerMeister> Well, quite warm at the moment. Yesterday morning we were down at about -20C

13:27 <xcamel> where?

13:27 <DerMeister> Germany

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13:28 <xcamel> town?

13:28 <DerMeister> Near Bayreuth

13:28 <xcamel> ok

13:28 <xcamel> news reports saying europe is in a deep freeze

13:44 * [RKN]frost can confirm these reports ;)

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13:49 <Crewsr3> can I get some recommendation on how to get the most credits.

13:52 <DerMeister> Set up your own project :P

13:52 <Crewsr3> Let me restate this. I'm running boinc and like the rosetta project.  How can I config my computers to generate higher credits per work done

13:53 <Crewsr3> they are all running 24-7 so how can I configure my computer/profile to get the best bang for my buck when it comes to credits

13:53 <DerMeister> Don't let it run anything else than boinc. Make sure that the cpu isn't throttled down by any power-saving software

13:54 <DerMeister> If you like you can although overclock you're computer but this might get dangerous

13:54 <DerMeister> -although +also

13:55 <Crewsr3> I run linux and killed all of the processes that I can and yet my avg credit work does not go up

13:55 <Crewsr3> is there a way to config my computing pref in a way to get the best credits

13:55 <Crewsr3> like lover time, shorter time,

13:55 <Crewsr3> etc

13:56 <Crewsr3> I even kill the gui when it runs at night

13:56 <Crewsr3> still no visable change

13:56 <DerMeister> From personal experiance with rosetta I would say that you should not set the wu-time to a value lower than 3h. I think I got lower credits for doing so.

13:57 <Crewsr3> right now I have it at 8 hours

13:57 <DerMeister> Well, to get a real change you need to buy better or more hardware ;)

13:58 <DerMeister> Just with changing settings etc. you wont gain much more credits unless your previous configuration was pretty much messed up

14:00 <Crewsr3> there was a time when I was able to get 2000 avg a day and now the best I'm getting is 1200 a day so It makes me thing I change something

14:04 <yoyo[RKN]> re

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14:10 <Crewsr3> thanks for the help

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14:14 <PovAddict> anyone here successfully downloaded win7 beta?

14:14 <PovAddict> <Tidus> yeah... 2.5 million people hammering a few machines all at once kinda makes things crash

14:14 <PovAddict> they should use BitTorrent :)

14:14 <PovAddict> like, officially

14:21 <PovAddict> ok found md5s

14:21 <PovAddict> file is fine \o/

14:33 <Tidus> i've successfully got it... yesterday

14:36 <PovAddict>

14:36 <Romulus> <> (at

14:39 <Tidus> and now i have two keys

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14:52 <Tank_Master> will the SETI gpu app run on a geforece 7900 gs?

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14:58 <MTughan_> Ah, that's what I'm looking for... Tank_Master:

14:58 <Romulus> <> (at

14:58 <MTughan_> 7900GS is not on that list.

14:58 <Tank_Master> blasted

14:58 <Tank_Master> :P

14:58 <Tank_Master> I didnt think so

14:58 <Tank_Master> but I was hopin

14:59 <FreeLarry58> it didn't work on the 8400 either Tank_Master

14:59 <MTughan_> I knew I had posted a list on one of the BOINC forums somewhere, but couldn't remember it for the life of me...

14:59 <FreeLarry58> evrything errrored out

14:59 <MTughan_> It also says you should have 256MB of graphics memory.

14:59 <Tank_Master> odd

14:59 <Tank_Master> I think the 8400 works on the gpugrid

14:59 <Tank_Master> its just issues with deadlines

14:59 <FreeLarry58> 8400 also to slow for the gpugrid

14:59 <Tank_Master> yeah

15:00 <MTughan_> How old is the 7900 now?

15:00 <Rookie_69> Laundry becons me. :-S

15:00 <FreeLarry58> would have taken over 100 hrs to complete and 4 day turnaround to quick

15:00 <Tank_Master> I made a mistake last night when I installed the win7 b1

15:00 <FreeLarry58> ouch

15:01 <Tank_Master> I forgot to set it to best performance

15:01 <Tank_Master> so I woke up with it sleeping this morning :P

15:01 <Tank_Master> blasted envirnmentals

15:01 <PovAddict> I wonder if I have a DVD-R around

15:01 <Tank_Master> I just installed off the HD

15:01 <FreeLarry58> vista machine still crashing out frequently here

15:02 <PovAddict> I want to burn it so I can delete it off the HD

15:02 <Tank_Master> win7 is more stable than vista...

15:02 <Tank_Master> sadly enough

15:02 <FreeLarry58> hear they took some things out to make it closer to xp

15:02 <Tank_Master> bout the only thing less stable than vista is a mac

15:03 <MTughan_> You mean a Mac on Vista?

15:03 <MTughan_> OS X is stable.

15:03 <Tank_Master> no, its in meby ways frter away from XP than vista is

15:03 <FreeLarry58> whats the link for win7

15:03 <Tank_Master> hold on

15:03 <PovAddict>

15:03 <Romulus> <> (at

15:04 <MTughan_> "slmgr -rearm"? Does that disable the key checking?

15:04 <Tank_Master> 32bit -

15:04 <Romulus> <> (at

15:04 <PovAddict> download links in my link

15:04 <Tank_Master> 64bit -

15:04 <Romulus> <> (at

15:04 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: That Google group provides tinyurls.

15:04 <Tank_Master> so does rommie

15:05 <MTughan_> And you posted the 64-bit version for 32-bit.

15:05 <Tank_Master> and I dont care for google

15:05 <Tank_Master> after instaling, youll want to patch it

15:05 <MTughan_> Look at the tinyurls Rommie gave, they're the same link.

15:05 <FreeLarry58> humm 180 day

15:06 <FreeLarry58> not sure it worth it to me

15:06 <Tank_Master> 32bit mp3 corruption patch -

15:06 <Romulus> <> (at

15:06 <Tank_Master> 64bit patch -

15:06 <Romulus> <> (at

15:06 <MTughan_> Tank_Master: Look at your links. You posted the same link for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. It's the 64-bit ISO.

15:07 <PovAddict> stop repeating that... if someone wants 64-bit he can use my link instead :]

15:07 <Tank_Master> 64bit - F0FDFFE1B021/EN/7000.0.081212-1400_client_en-us_Ultimate-GB1CULXFRE_EN_DVD.ISO

15:07 <Tank_Master>

15:07 <Romulus> <> (at

15:07 <Tank_Master> there we go

15:07 <MTughan_> Yeah, but if someone's lazy and tried to download the 32-bit version, he'll get the 64-bit instead... Not a good idea.

15:08 <FreeLarry58> true but have 64 bit on most machines here

15:08 <MTughan_> Same. It's only if someone has older hardware. But I'll leave this topic alone now.

15:09 * FreeLarry58 remembers having ME still on machine when xp came out

15:10 <Tank_Master> people with older hardware should be shot :P

15:10 <FreeLarry58> blah

15:10 <Tank_Master> lol

15:10 <FreeLarry58> this machine still working

15:10 <Tank_Master> or go play with dos

15:10 <MTughan_> Up until 2 weeks ago, I had the P4 in here... Damn, that was slow compared to this.

15:10 <FreeLarry58> sorry left it off this machine this time round

15:11 <FreeLarry58> so this machine a P4

15:11 <MTughan_> What socket and clock speed?

15:12 <FreeLarry58> 2.8 think skt 76x?

15:12 <MTughan_> I had a socket 478 and 2.8GHz.

15:12 <MTughan_> LGA755?

15:12 <MTughan_> 775*

15:12 <FreeLarry58> humm this might still be a 478 not sure has been forever since i took off heatsink

15:12 <MTughan_> In the desktop market, at least recently, it was 487 -> LGA775 -> LGA1366.

15:13 <FreeLarry58> 775

15:13 <FreeLarry58> on the others

15:13 <MTughan_> You're more lucky if you have a 775, because then you have a *chance* at least of upgrading to a Core proc.

15:13 <FreeLarry58> humm haven't tried a 1366 yet

15:14 <MTughan_> Although a Core proc would be hampered by the DDR RAM used at the time...

15:14 <FreeLarry58> this machine the oldest in house but not the slowest

15:14 <FreeLarry58> so i found out MTughan

15:14 <MTughan_> :P

15:15 <FreeLarry58> well time to get ready for --w----yuck

15:15 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: what day of the week is it today for you?

15:16 <FreeLarry58> wednsday

15:17 <FreeLarry58> and tomorrow is BDay - 51

15:17 <FreeLarry58> or is that 15

15:17 <PovAddict> not 58?

15:17 * PovAddict points at nickname

15:17 <FreeLarry58> that year

15:17 <PovAddict> oic

15:18 <PovAddict> then yeah 51

15:18 <FreeLarry58> thats what i said 15

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15:18 <PovAddict> whatever you say :)

15:18 <FreeLarry58> lol and next year 25

15:19 <PovAddict> I *think* my parents are older... not sure, my mom has been 50 for a few years now

15:19 <FreeLarry58> 05 > 15> 25 > 35

15:20 <FreeLarry58> works for the first 5 years then have to use correct

15:20 <PovAddict> she had to think twice (or more) when doctor asked for age...

15:20 <FreeLarry58> mom over 70

15:21 <FreeLarry58> lol women still don't like to tell correct year to anyone

15:21 <PovAddict> the doctor said "are you really sure? it's important to have the real age for this..."

15:21 <FreeLarry58> anyway bye now -- tca

15:21 <PovAddict> I bet he has to deal with that problem often

15:22 <PovAddict> convincing women not to lie the age to him

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15:34 <Rookie_69> I don't lie about my age. I'm 26... and have been for 20 years now! Lol.

15:35 <MTughan_> I'm 18, and I don't have to lie about that. :D

15:36 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Laundry is mostly done so now the dirty dishes in the sink are haunting me. I need a live-in maid. ;-)

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15:41 <Rookie_69> ... one who can cook.

15:45 * Rookie_69 remembers dirty slow-cooker on counter from last week and hurries out to soak it.

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15:51 <MTughan_> All right, that should help... Somehow, overnight, Firefox started taking 1GB RAM, 2.3GB of VRAM.

15:51 <MTughan_> And I was wondering why it had slowed down significantly.

15:52 <PovAddict> happened to me once

15:52 <MTughan_> It's not speedy yet, but it's speeding up.

15:53 <PovAddict> restart?

15:54 <MTughan_> It's just grabbing more memory. It'll be fine in a couple minutes.

15:55 <PovAddict> wow

15:55 <PovAddict> upgrading language packs in Ubuntu

15:55 <PovAddict> after installing, 12MB will be *freed*

15:55 <MTughan_> Nice!

15:55 <xcamel> re hi

15:55 <PovAddict> er... wut?

15:56 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

15:56 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

15:56 <PovAddict> packages seem to have gone to 33KB

15:56 <xcamel> ok.. I'm totally sold on bluray

15:57 <Rookie_69> I've heard horror stories but never experienced it.

15:57 <xcamel> bought myself a high end unit for xmas

15:58 <xcamel> just got it installed

15:59 <xcamel> watched the new x-files movie. the quality is as good as the theater

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16:11 <sv2_> hey PovAddict - got your email reply...

16:13 <sv2_> boinc would/could almost satisy my needs.. for my potential crawling app/process...

16:14 <sv2_> the onlyissue that i can't get my heand around.. is that the voinc client doesn't return completed work, until all the work has been completed..

16:14 <sv2_> so if i had a client processing multiple workunits..

16:14 <sv2_> the client would have to wait until it had a response/reply for all the workunits..

16:16 <MTughan_> Oh gah...

16:16 <Romulus> Title: Comics - (at

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16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> you can send trickle messages, sv2_

16:25 <yoyo[RKN]> but do you really need intermediate results?

16:25 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: from a possibly-wrapped Python app?

16:26 <PovAddict> :)

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> argh

16:26 <yoyo[RKN]> but why not

16:27 <MTughan_> It would have to be a specially tweaked wrapper.

16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> if the python app somehow writes this info into a file, the wrapper could read it and send trickles

16:27 <yoyo[RKN]> the wrapper must be tweaked anyway, it contains bugs

16:28 <PovAddict> I'm working on something that may avoid use of wrapper in his case

16:30 <yoyo[RKN]> would be easier if the wrapper would be a perl app (or any other scripting language)

16:32 <PovAddict> yay, got the hello world test working

16:33 <Rookie_69> Next is the Goodbye Cruel World test?

16:33 <PovAddict> maybe

16:33 <xcamel> that works

16:35 * Rookie_69 needs a new bulb in his oven... He can't see his pizza burn.

16:37 <Rookie_69> Mmm... burnt just enough. :-)

16:37 <xcamel> toasty pie

16:41 * Rookie_69 notes that pizza sauce can be hot.

16:41 <PovAddict> cheese too

16:43 <Rookie_69> Yup.

16:45 <xcamel> chicken wing pizza tonight

16:45 <xcamel> before the snow hits..

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16:48 <Rookie_69> I never thought of chicken wings, just leftover pig.

16:49 <Rookie_69> That's ok, because I didn't have any leftover chicken wings.

16:50 <xcamel> hot wing pizza (more like chicken tenders in sauce) is fantastic...

16:51 <MTughan_> 53 minutes to compress a file... xD

16:51 <MTughan_> Trying to compress an 8.27GB DV file.

16:51 <MTughan_> &math 8.27 * .9

16:51 <Romulus> MTughan_: 7.443

16:52 <MTughan_> At the rate it's going, that's not too bad.

16:53 <xcamel> try compressing the full FC10 dvd iso...

16:58 * Rookie_69 expects to get Jay's leftover snow tomorrow.

17:00 <xcamel> still can't tell what we're going to get..

17:01 <Rookie_69> Me too... between 2 and 20 cm forecast.

17:03 <Rookie_69> One inch or eight inches... Same thing.

17:05 <xcamel> not exactly

17:06 <Rookie_69> Yeah... 2 cm doesn't usually need to be shoveled.

17:06 <KathrynM> My favorite is the 6 inches of partly cloudy that comes frequently in Cleveland.

17:07 <Rookie_69> Partly cloudy... partly blizzard?

17:07 <Rookie_69> Hi, K.

17:08 <KathrynM> That's when the weather forcasters assure us that it'll just be cloudy and then we get hammered with lake effect snow

17:10 <Rookie_69> No lake effect here... just good old Atlantic storms.

17:12 <Rookie_69> Gulf Stream fighting with Labrador Current is always worth a glance.

17:13 <Rookie_69> ... big fog bank too.

17:14 <sv2_> PovAddict - hey.. just reading the earlier posted msgs... what are you working on that might ease my pain!!

17:15 <PovAddict> no process-level wrapping of python

17:15 <sv2_> yoyo[RKN] - trickle msgs??? care to point to a url for more info??

17:15 <PovAddict> make the python interpreter (running your script) the real BOINC app

17:15 <Rookie_69> Demerol.

17:15 <PovAddict> but since a real BOINC app *has* to use the BOINC API to communicate with the core client...

17:16 <PovAddict> import boinc; boinc.init();

17:16 <sv2_> ohhh!! so i could just have a python script be the client.. which could handle my issues!

17:16 <PovAddict> ...once I finish the python binding to the BOINC API :)

17:17 <sv2_> PovAddict - might have to send you a bottle of vino!

17:17 <yoyo[RKN]> is there not a way to use the wrapper?

17:18 <yoyo[RKN]> I would compile the python script to exe, so you do not need python on the client and than use the wrapper.

17:18 <Rookie_69> No Napa Valley hooch for Argentina's finest (youngest?).

17:20 <sv2_> yoyo[RKN] - you're referring to a .pyc file, yes/no??

17:20 <xcamel> send him a plastic bottle of maddog

17:20 <sv2_> Rookie_69 - i was talking richard's wild irish rose.. or some mad dog 202/0

17:20 <yoyo[RKN]> yes

17:20 <sv2_> Rookie_69 - i was talking richard's wild irish rose.. or some mad dog 20/20

17:21 <yoyo[RKN]> no

17:21 <Romulus> Title: FrontPage - (at

17:21 <Rookie_69> I was talking about Pov being 18...

17:21 <Rookie_69> :-)

17:21 <Rookie_69> ... I mean ;-)

17:22 <sv2_> PovAddict - probably has no idea what i was referring to...

17:22 <sv2_> i could have kids older that PovAddict

17:23 * PovAddict has had alcohol, didn't like it

17:23 <PovAddict> felt like acid in my mouth

17:24 <Rookie_69> Apparently, people get addicted to acid too.

17:26 <Rookie_69> I'm pretty sure I don't have any kids younger than Pov. :-(

17:27 <MTughan_> PovAddict: Is this normal?

17:27 <Romulus> <> (at

17:27 <PovAddict> :|

17:27 <MTughan_> I'd say no then.

17:28 <PovAddict> ask if he has a global_prefs_override.xml, otherwise I'd ask in BAM forum

17:28 <MTughan_> Edited.

17:29 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... Maybe it was Michael that was 18... I get confused easily.

17:29 <MTughan_> Both Pov and I are 18.

17:29 <Rookie_69> Oldtimers Disease...

17:29 <Rookie_69> I was 18 once... Once!

17:30 <MTughan_> Uh... PovAddict: Is it just me, or is the update time one hour behind?

17:30 <DerMeister> Yeah, me too... Some years ago ^^

17:30 <MTughan_> WTF? 45 minutes behind...

17:31 * Rookie_69 misquotes Joe Piscopo.

17:32 <xcamel> halfzhimers

17:32 <MTughan_> PovAddict: Can you look at that thread again, and confirm that the "Last modified" is about 45 minutes behind actual time?

17:33 <xcamel> btw the pizza is good..

17:33 <Rookie_69> So was mine.

17:34 <Rookie_69> ... and will be again in the morning.

17:34 <Rookie_69> ...

17:34 <Rookie_69> I hope.

17:36 <sv2_> i was 18... 30 years ago..

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17:36 <Rookie_69> Twice 18... and ten.

17:39 <Rookie_69> ... as far as I remember.

17:39 <xcamel> I was 20, 30 years ago..

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17:53 <sv2_> xcamel  so we're kindred souls!

17:53 <xcamel> could be...

17:54 <xcamel> or we're just old farts with computers...

17:55 <Rookie_69> More likely.

17:55 <xcamel> that inclused you...

17:55 <xcamel> includes even

17:55 <Rookie_69> I know.

17:55 <Rookie_69> :-(

17:55 <xcamel> somebody keeps moving the 'S' when I'm not looking...

17:55 <sv2_> xcamel - sorry... can't go there with you!!

17:56 <sv2_> the ladies i deal with wouldn't agree either!

17:56 <xcamel> how many kids yop got?

17:56 <Rookie_69> Funny... It's usually my T key that jumps around.

17:56 <xcamel> or admit to...

17:57 <sv2_> i have no kids.. that i know of!!

17:57 <sv2_> although i do have alot of computers..

17:57 <sv2_> and a couple of cats.. tupac.. and biggie!!

17:57 <Rookie_69> Kaput?

17:58 <Rookie_69> Close...

17:58 <xcamel> kids, cats, dogs, geese, ducks, llamas, alpacas, turkeys, a rabbit...

17:58 <PovAddict> llama llama duck :)

17:58 <Rookie_69> Canadian... Oh, you menyioned Geese.

17:59 <Rookie_69> ... mentioned...

17:59 <PovAddict> <Rookie_69> Funny... It's usually my T key that jumps around.

17:59 <xcamel> turkey llama paca llama duck duck goose.

17:59 <Rookie_69> Lol.

18:00 <PovAddict> Rookie_69:

18:00 <Romulus> Title: Flash The Llama Song (at

18:00 * xcamel 's brain splits open

18:01 <PovAddict> lol

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18:03 <xcamel> bbl..

18:04 * Rookie_69 starts to show his age as he wanders off for a nap.

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18:07 * Rookie_69 finds his bed covered with half dry laundry. :-(

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18:24 <sv2_> hi jackygrahamez - you get my reply email?!

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18:39 <xcamel> ok.. short power nap

18:40 <efc> moo

18:40 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

18:40 <xcamel> spork >>

18:45 <jasong> If dual channel RAM is set up properly, is there a difference between the response times of 4x1GB and 2x2GB?

18:55 <xcamel> shouldn't be

18:59 <MTughan_> You get more expanability with 2x2GB though.

18:59 <MTughan_> Eg, I'm going to be adding another 2x2GB to my system tonight. :D

19:01 <PovAddict> 8GB?

19:07 <MTughan_> Yep.

19:07 <PovAddict> h8

19:08 <MTughan_> I think I might have to restart earlier than I was planning though... Getting short on memory 70% of 4GB already, and now explorer is acting up!

19:08 <MTughan_> &math .7 * 4096

19:08 <Romulus> MTughan_: 2867.2

19:09 <MTughan_> &math .7 * 4

19:09 <Romulus> MTughan_: 2.8

19:09 <PovAddict> huh

19:09 <PovAddict> OS?

19:09 <PovAddict> see what app is eating it all, that can't be possible

19:10 <MTughan_> Have to restart too to swap out the power cord. I now have my original massive 14 gauge grounded cord.

19:10 <PovAddict> ah

19:10 <MTughan_> Firefox is taking almost 200MB, and that's the largest.

19:10 <PovAddict> restart Firefox alone...

19:10 <MTughan_> svchost is next, at 168MB.

19:10 <MTughan_> Firefox is downloading a file.

19:10 <PovAddict> but if you have to reboot *anyway*, might as well...

19:11 <MTughan_> Firefox tops all the memory columns, except for "Paged Pool". audiodg takes that there (audiodg being the Windows audio driver).

19:15 <sv2_> you guys don't know how good you have it.. with mem going for ~5$/Gig....

19:15 <sv2_> i remember using tape to write simple programs on!! on a teletype machine!!

19:16 <MTughan_> This 8GB still cost me $300CDN.

19:16 <MTughan_> $200*

19:16 <xcamel> isn't that about $35 US now

19:16 <xcamel> ??

19:16 <MTughan_> Yes, it's not the couple thousand it used to be.

19:17 <MTughan_> DDR2-1066 RAM.

19:17 <sv2_> really?? i just saw an add for 4G (2x2) for ~40/50$...

19:17 <MTughan_> What speed? I got a higher speed.

19:17 <MTughan_> And this 4GB kit was $100CDN.

19:17 <sv2_> i think this was 600

19:17 <MTughan_> I doubled that for 2x2x2GB, or 4x2GB.

19:17 <PovAddict> &currency convert 100 CAD USD

19:17 <Romulus> PovAddict: 100.00 cad = 84.19 usd

19:18 <sv2_> i recall playing with a vax 11/780 with 10M of mem.. and thought i was in heaven!!

19:18 <MTughan_> lol

19:18 <PovAddict> why don't you write the crawler in C++ then? to save memory

19:19 <sv2_> rambus just had their patents overturned in a lawsuit by micron..

19:19 <sv2_> PovAddict - python has easier to use routines to deal with string/dom/text manipulation...

19:19 <PovAddict> what would you do in 10MB? :)

19:20 <sv2_> hey.. we used to write early tank trainer simulators in that mess..

19:20 <sv2_> we had the seriously large disk platters for drive storage...

19:20 <MTughan_> Now we have graphics cards with 1GB of RAM... And dual GPU cards with 2GB of RAM. :D

19:20 <sv2_> damm .. i feel old!!! .. make that wise!

19:21 <sv2_> progress!

19:21 <PovAddict> I don't call it progress when glorified text editors (IDEs) can reach 300MB...

19:21 <PovAddict> of RAM usage

19:21 <sv2_> i've told people for 20-25 yers.. that engineers by and large are the only ones who get pleasure out of creating things that put people out of jobs..!!

19:21 <MTughan_> Are those the indexing features doing that?

19:21 <PovAddict> :D

19:21 <sv2_> PovAddict - always charcoal and rock!

19:22 <MTughan_> lol, nice..

19:22 <PovAddict> MTughan_: no, mostly the fact that it's Java :)

19:22 <MTughan_> Ah, Eclipse?

19:22 <MTughan_> You gonna eclipse Eclipse's RAM usage? :P

19:22 <PovAddict> and GC only cares about the program itself not running out of memory

19:23 <PovAddict> doesn't give a crap about leaving little memory left for other programs in the same computer

19:23 <MTughan_> w00t, explorer's back up!

19:23 <MTughan_> 2 minutes on the download, and then I'm restarting...

19:24 <MTughan_> Gah, damn speed governors on Linux... Proc scaled down to 0.8GHz again...

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19:45 <efc> sv2_: I used a Microvax in the not-so-distant past..

19:45 <xcamel> how about a nixdorf mini and unibasic

19:48 <efc> Sounds ugly

19:51 <efc> we shut off the vax 6200 a few years ago

19:55 <MTughan_> bbiab

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19:59 <CoderForLife> re-hi

19:59 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

19:59 <efc> moo CFL

19:59 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 32.1F / 0.1C | Humidity: 92% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 30s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph.;

19:59 <CoderForLife> moo efc

20:00 <KathrynM> morning

20:00 <CoderForLife> hey KathrynM

20:00 <efc> tried out some PVC fittings for the telescope parts today. 6" PVC too big for the objective. 1 1/4" is ok for the eyepiece.

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20:00 <KathrynM> got all my photos resized last night

20:00 <CoderForLife> just watched a footbrawl game while Coding on the warbird musuem online store

20:00 * KathrynM misses football

20:01 <KathrynM> especially the tight ends..................

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20:01 <CoderForLife> lol

20:01 <KathrynM> jackygrahamez!

20:01 <jackygrahamez> hi

20:01 <jackygrahamez> Hi KathrynM

20:02 <CoderForLife> I hope you meet your objective objective efc

20:03 <xcamel> 'lo Jack, Don

20:04 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

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20:06 <jackygrahamez> ay mates

20:06 <CoderForLife> pretty soon you'll be able to order bricks for the "Walk of Veterans" at the warbird museum online - don't everyone applaud at once

20:06 * KathrynM applauds

20:07 <KathrynM> soon(ish) I'll have pictures in my gallery

20:07 * CoderForLife applauds

20:07 <KathrynM> don't everyone applaud at once :-]

20:07 <KathrynM> lol

20:07 <KathrynM> I got them resized last night.

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20:07 <CoderForLife> I got to get this nice ape off my back

20:08 <KathrynM> Doing them direcotry by directory was faster than trying to figure out how to write a script to go through the directories

20:08 <MTughan> Just doing a Memtest now...

20:08 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM, can i see your boincstats ?

20:08 <CoderForLife> I remember now - you're Michael

20:09 <CoderForLife> did i pass your memtest?

20:09 <MTughan> >_>

20:09 <MTughan> Just finished installing another 4GB of RAM in here for a total of 8GB. Testing it so if it fails, I can take it back.

20:09 <KathrynM> Soul_keeper, yea

20:09 <CoderForLife> ah

20:10 <efc> Got a new x58 board MTughan?

20:10 <KathrynM>

20:10 <Romulus> <> (at

20:10 <MTughan> If I had an x58, I'd do triple-channel, and have 6GB. So no.

20:10 <MTughan> It's a P45.

20:11 <xcamel> dfl -- major recommendation on bluray

20:11 <Soul_keeper> KathrynM, i think you're more powerfull than CoderForLife :)

20:11 <MTughan> Hmm?

20:12 <Soul_keeper> i got a p35  works great

20:12 <MTughan> xcamel: What were you talking about with Blu-Ray?

20:12 <xcamel> got mine up and running - outstanding video

20:13 <MTughan> You know they can fit HD video on a DVD, just that they didn't want to stick with the old?

20:14 <xcamel> your point?

20:14 <Soul_keeper> good work KathrynM

20:14 <KathrynM> huh?

20:14 <MTughan> Do a comparison. 8GB DVD can be compressed down to 1.5GB.

20:15 <MTughan> KathrynM: He's talking about this.

20:17 <Soul_keeper> was thinking about adding you :)

20:17 <KathrynM> ah

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20:27 <CoderForLife> gn boincsters

20:27 <MTughan> Night CFL.

20:32 <xcamel> laterz..

20:37 <MTughan> &math .5 / .22

20:37 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.27272727273

20:38 <MTughan> 2.3 hours to do the Memtest... :(

20:38 <MTughan> At current rates anyway.

20:38 <KathrynM> woo hoo!  I figured it out!

20:38 <KathrynM>

20:38 <Romulus> Title: Gallery (at

20:39 <MTughan> Nice.

20:39 <KathrynM> Blog's up too

20:39 <KathrynM> I need to move the files over from so I can set that blog to private

20:53 <xcamel> laterz...

20:54 <Rookie_69> I went for a nap and dozed off.

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20:58 <Tidus> i must say... windows 7 isn't all it's cracked up to be

21:00 <MTughan> You're on it now?

21:00 <Tidus> yeah

21:01 <MTughan> Had a bear of a time getting a key last night... Download of the ISO was easy enough.

21:01 <Tidus> did an in place upgrade from vista

21:01 <MTughan> Ah, I'm also doing a clean install.

21:01 <Tidus> oh hell they gave me 3 keys this morning just trying to get the iso

21:01 <MTughan> lol

21:01 <Tidus> brb, restarting for video card driver

21:05 <Rookie_69> The guy in the apartment behind me must be playing country music again... I can hear both notes clearly.

21:13 <efc> Country or Western?

21:14 <Rookie_69> Yes.

21:15 <Rookie_69> I'm drowning it out with 70's music... including disco... I dunno.

21:16 <Rookie_69> ... Doug's radio... 93.3 KIOA.

21:22 <MTughan> wdsmia: Are you playing country?

21:23 <Rookie_69> I don't think Doug lives in the apartment next to me...

21:24 <MTughan> Where are you?

21:24 <Romulus> hmm... you are upper fayl, MTughan

21:25 <Rookie_69> Dartmouth.

21:25 <MTughan> Maybe Doug's playing over shortwave... xD

21:25 <Rookie_69>

21:25 <Romulus> Title: 93.3 KIOA - Iowa's Greatest Hits - Homepage (at

21:25 <MTughan> wdsmia -> West DeS Moines, IowA.

21:26 <Rookie_69> Maybe...

21:26 <Rookie_69> :-)

21:28 <Tidus> well that about broke it.

21:28 <MTughan> If he were a radio-show host, it might explain where he gets the money for all the computers. xD

21:28 <MTughan> Tidus: What video card?

21:28 <Tidus> nvidia 7600-go

21:28 <Tidus> had to disable driver signature enforcement

21:28 <MTughan> Cause I know ATI has Windows 7 beta drivers. Does Nvidia not?

21:29 <Tidus> they're built in to the os

21:29 <Tidus> according to nvidia

21:30 <Tidus> but... the stock drivers give absolutely terrible performance

21:31 <MTughan> I'll see how it goes later on tonight... I've just got to rid one partition of 70GB of video, then I have a free drive to use.

21:31 <MTughan> I've got a Radeon HD4870.

21:37 <Tidus> uhoh.

21:37 <Tidus> BIG stopping point

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21:37 <Tidus> it's only using a single core on my dualcore

21:41 <Rookie_69> Goto bios and turn on multi proc?

21:41 <Tidus> Rookie_69: haven't changed anything on it since vista (which used both cores)

21:43 <Rookie_69> I'm out of ideas then.

21:43 <MTughan> Does it show both cores in device manager?

21:43 <Tidus> nope

21:44 <Tidus> it seems to have gotten setup for a generic single proc pc

21:44 <MTughan> What proc?

21:44 <Tidus> even though both cores are active in bios

21:44 <Tidus> it's a core 2 T5500

21:44 <MTughan> Yeah, that's not that old... Odd.

21:46 <Tidus> brb

21:46 <Tidus> might have found af ix

21:48 <Rookie_69> I tried windoze XP 64 bit beta years ago and gave up because of glitches and lack of available drivers... It's a Beta!

21:48 <MTughan> I don't think XP x64 ever had too many drivers.

21:49 <Rookie_69> That box eventually got linux loaded on it.

21:50 <Rookie_69> ... and crunches ABC@home just fine.

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21:57 <Rookie_69> Ray Stevens... The Streak... :-)

22:09 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Astropulse waiting for memory... Do you think I'm overtasking this box?

22:10 <Rookie_69> No matter... LHC is running in the meantime.

22:12 <Tidus> fixed it

22:12 <Tidus> MTughan: if it doesn't work correct for you, msconfig -> boot -> advanced -> detect hal -> restart twice

22:13 <MTughan> Thanks Tidus.

22:16 * MTughan likes Linux

22:17 <MTughan> Hasn't gone over 1GB of RAM used in my 2GB laptop, no swap.

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22:30 <lakitu> hey - i think - not sure - but i think Boinc took out half my memory - i uninstalled it, but ever since: i can only use half my memory =/ i like BOINC, but i think it gave my computer an issue.

22:30 <PovAddict> it *is* (remotely) possible that it caused your RAM to overheat :)

22:30 <PovAddict> so half your RAM burned up

22:31 <lakitu> hm, how do i test?

22:31 <PovAddict> seems super-unlikely though

22:31 <PovAddict> what OS?

22:31 <Romulus> Rumor has it what OS are you on, PovAddict

22:31 <lakitu> win xp

22:31 <PovAddict> I'd say first step open computer case and see if all RAM sticks are correctly connected, maybe one got loose :)

22:32 <MTughan> And hope you have two RAM sticks.

22:32 <lakitu> but it still lists the total as 3.5 gigs (usable)

22:32 <PovAddict> how much do you really have?

22:32 <lakitu> that much - actually 4.0, but i think some is allocated for the video card

22:32 <Rookie_69> Memory is about the only component I haven's blown up.

22:32 <MTughan> Are you on XP 32-bit or 64-bit?

22:33 <PovAddict> I don't understand your problem then

22:33 <lakitu> but at about ~1200 or ~1500 i run out of memory

22:33 <lakitu> 32bit

22:33 <PovAddict> so Windows lists the correct total

22:33 <lakitu> 1200-1500 mb

22:33 <lakitu> yes

22:33 <MTughan> It should've never shown 4GB then, unless you have PAE on.

22:33 <PovAddict> (you can't use all 4GB if you have 32-bit, so showing 3.5GB is "normal")

22:33 <lakitu> right - i understand that

22:33 <lakitu> that's not the issue

22:33 <PovAddict> the problem is you "run out of memory" with just 1.5GB used?

22:33 <lakitu> i'm running out at half my available memory

22:33 <lakitu> yes

22:34 <lakitu> this is pretty recent

22:34 <lakitu> it DID work fine

22:34 <lakitu> i suspected BOINC & uninstalled it, but the 'ceiling' still seems to be there

22:34 <lakitu> =/

22:34 <lakitu> how do i test RAM?

22:35 <lakitu> or would it not show 3.5GB if it was burned out

22:35 <MTughan> You can get a copy of Memtest86, but that can't test from Windows.

22:35 <PovAddict>

22:35 <Romulus> Title: Memtest86+ - Advanced Memory Diagnostic Tool (at

22:36 <PovAddict> can boot from CD, USB key, or floppy

22:36 <lakitu> memory's cheap, i'm fine with buying more memory, if it's burnt out. but i just want to figure out what the problem is

22:37 <lakitu> ok, going to try it - thanks

22:37 <lakitu> for the help

22:37 <lakitu> maybe bb

22:37 <MTughan> Tell me about it... Basically got 8GB for $200. :D

22:38 <MTughan> And fast RAM at that.

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22:39 <MTughan> Whoa... If you triple-click the tab bar in FF, it opens a new tab.

22:40 <MTughan> At least with 3.1b2. Dunno if it's in 3.0.x.

22:40 <PovAddict> double-clicking an empty space in the tab bar works since maybe 1.0 :)

22:41 <MTughan> An empty space, yes. But this is on an existing tab.

22:41 <sigmund_> it's not in 3.0.5 osx, at lest

22:41 <Rookie_69> I just bought 4 MB of mem for $300. Oh wait... That was 18 years ago or so.

22:41 <MTughan> lol

22:42 <sigmund_> I think it's forbidden by Moores Law go regret prices paid for copmuter hardware in the distant past.

22:43 <Rookie_69> How about the recent past?

22:43 <PovAddict> fined under moore's law?

22:43 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: ah but how recent is recent and how distant is distant?

22:43 <sigmund_> I remember my 2.1GB drive from 1992.....

22:43 <PovAddict> a judge will have to decide

22:43 <MTughan> sigmund_: Hard drive?

22:44 <sigmund_> MTughan: yep

22:44 <MTughan> Yep... And now you can get a 1TB drive for $150 or less. I haven't checked for a while.

22:44 <PovAddict> I'd never buy such a big drive

22:45 <MTughan> The drive would wear out before you used it all? :P

22:45 <PovAddict> I don't trust bits so close together

22:45 <Rookie_69> I would.

22:45 <sigmund_> and I remember buying 1GB of 266DDR ECC for 300$ or so in 2001

22:45 <MTughan> You know they used multiple platters now, right?

22:45 <PovAddict> did they ever have only one platter?

22:45 <MTughan> Yes.

22:45 <MTughan> $174 for a 1.5TB drive... >_>

22:46 <Rookie_69> My first HD was MFM and 20 MB?..

22:46 <sigmund_> MTughan: that drive is actually still working. Although it's about as noisy as a 747 during takeoff :s

22:46 <MTughan> Nice. :P

22:47 <sigmund_> Not really. Except from my ability to ake up my entire block at will :P

22:48 <sigmund_> but, talking about expensive hardware, anyone know where to get a cheap SPARC laptop?

22:49 <Rookie_69> Somebody used the words cheap and laptop in the same sentence?

22:49 <MTughan> I think you can get a $300 laptop.

22:50 <MTughan> And I'm not thinking of the OLPC laptops.

22:50 <sigmund_> I usually buy my current PowerPC 12"s in pairs these days, compaired to their usefullness they're pretty cheap..

22:50 <MTughan> You still get PPC procs?

22:51 <sigmund_> MTughan: Apple G4 1,5GHz 12".

22:51 <MTughan> iBook?

22:51 <sigmund_> powerbook

22:51 <MTughan> I think the PowerBooks were bigger...

22:51 <MTughan> Or not.

22:51 <MTughan> I had a MacBook, Intel Core Duo 2.0GHz. It's being replaced by Apple after three failed motherboards.

22:51 <sigmund_> I onyl wish they would make a serious 12" these days :(

22:52 <MTughan> Or logic boards, as Apple calls them.

22:52 <sigmund_> i would pay from the nose if they could get me one of those

22:52 <sigmund_> one of my 12" powerbooks blew up while I was using it

22:52 <sigmund_> battery malfunction happening on my lap

22:53 <sigmund_> Apple gave me a 13,3" black full spec as a replacement

22:53 <MTughan> Barring quality, you can get an Acer 8.9" laptop for $265CDN.

22:53 <sigmund_> I gave it to my brother and purchased a second hand 12" powerbook to replace my old one

22:53 <Rookie_69> Ice your lap first or too much heat builds up.

22:54 <MTughan> You don't like the Intel processors?

22:54 <sigmund_> MTughan: I just think that 13,3" widescreen is overrated, and I believe the 12" form factor is the ultimate laptop for travelling

22:55 <MTughan> I think it's about the same height as a 12", but I'd have to check that.

22:55 <sigmund_> and I am a touring sound/AV engineer, and need to bring my laptop everwhere

22:55 <sigmund_> it's about the same height, but wider (doh) and weighs more

22:56 <sigmund_> it barely fit into my backpack at the time, and my 6 plane rides every week made my point during the 4 months I had it.

22:57 <sigmund_> I'm far more comfortable using a 3 year old laptop than using the current 13,3" form apple

22:57 <MTughan> The new aluminum MacBooks are slightly lighter than the lastest 12" PB.

22:57 <MTughan> All the plastic models were slightly heavier.

22:57 <sigmund_> On top of that I would like being taken seriously, not them cutting out firewire, and never even having an extension slot on the 13,3"s.

22:58 <MTughan> Yeah, I don't know why they cut out FW...

22:58 <sigmund_> Whu do I have to drag around a 15" to be a "professional"?

22:58 <MTughan> And 15" is definitely bigger and heavier.

22:58 <Rookie_69> ... as long as your complaint isn't that it won't balance on your steering wheel...

22:58 <MTughan> lol

22:58 <sigmund_> I thoght doing all the national broadcasted award shows qualified me as a "professional"

23:00 <Rookie_69> Doing all the award winners might make you a "Professional" though... ;-)

23:00 <sigmund_> Hehe. I wish

23:01 <sigmund_> Just get me Apple R&D on the line, I bet I could personally sell 1000 12" MBPs just one the ppl asking me what laptop I use every bloody week

23:03 <sigmund_> But I would really like a SPARCIV laptop to run solaris on.

23:03 <MTughan> You can run Solaris on x86. Dunno about PPC.

23:04 <sigmund_> opensolaris is kinda ppc

23:04 <sigmund_> x86 is not interesting, it's for pussies :P

23:04 <MTughan> I don't know, most of the BOINC world uses it or a derivative called x86_64.

23:05 <PovAddict> most of the world uses x86

23:05 <PovAddict> that doesn't make it good

23:05 <Rookie_69> It's not what you have... It's how you use it.

23:05 <PovAddict> it's like Windows

23:05 <sigmund_> i have several frebsd servers running x86_64

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23:06 <sigmund_> perhaps I'll just move to ppc g4 running openbsd or something, that'll have to do as to obscurity

23:06 <sigmund_> but I think I'd just be happier having a Sun branded laptop to drag around with me.

23:06 <PovAddict> run GNU Hurd on a universal turing machine...

23:08 <sigmund_> PovAddict: I heard I had to pay Stallman my weight in beer in order to obtain a license to GNU Hurd

23:08 <PovAddict> sigmund_: not really, you can just download Hurd

23:08 <PovAddict> good luck getting it to WORK though

23:09 <sigmund_> Oh, that's where the beer comes in handy

23:09 <Tank_Master> lol

23:09 <MTughan> 'lo TM

23:10 <MTughan> I just upgraded my machine to 8GB RAM. :D

23:10 <Tank_Master> howdu MT

23:10 <Tank_Master> lol

23:10 <Tank_Master> nice

23:11 <sigmund_> Oh. There's another reason for me to whine. The G4 12" only goes to 1,25

23:11 <sigmund_> and the largest 2,5" PATA HDD is 250GB

23:12 <sigmund_> And by that I guess I have bothered you enough. Good nigh, everyone :)

23:12 <MTughan> Just looking that up... I would think you can get bigger.

23:13 <MTughan> Oh, apparently not.

23:13 <Rookie_69> I enjoy a good whine once in a while.

23:13 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... That's wine.

23:13 <MTughan> 2.5" SATA drives go up to at least 500GB...

23:13 <MTughan> Stupid manufacturers.

23:13 <MTughan> Whoa... 500GB laptop drives? That's massive.

23:14 <sigmund_> MTughan: there are unconfirmed romours of some strange 2GB chip giving lucky users 2,25GB, but I've never been able to obtain details

23:14 <MTughan> Largest 7200rpm drive is 320GB.

23:14 <MTughan> 2.25GB of what?

23:15 <sigmund_> RAM

23:15 <MTughan> What speed RAM? DDR2, with two slots, you can go to at least 4GB, and possibly 8GB.

23:15 <sigmund_> oh, you were talking hard drives all away. Think I really have to go to bed now :)

23:15 <MTughan> lol, night.

23:16 <sigmund_> It's a "logic board" limitation.

23:16 <sigmund_> Good night :)

23:16 <sigmund_> (it being 5.16 AM here should be reason enough)

23:17 <Rookie_69> Almost time to get up.

23:20 <Rookie_69> I took a three hour nap, so it's really only 9:20 here to me.

23:22 <MTughan> Well, going on the fact that Firewire is missing on the new MBs... A poll held on a Mac site asked what would you rather keep, Ethernet or Firewire?

23:23 <MTughan> 61% said Firewire, 39% said Ethernet.

23:23 <PovAddict> what.

23:25 <MTughan> Frankly, I don't blame them. It's easy enough to set up a secure WAP, and that makes Ethernet not needed.

23:25 <Tank_Master> I dont see any use for fireware

23:25 <Tank_Master> all my devices I ave are usb

23:25 <MTughan> DV cameras, external HDDs, high-end audio equipment.

23:26 <Tank_Master> and why would you want to get rid of ethernet?

23:26 <MTughan> Not get rid of it. Replace it.

23:26 <Tank_Master> ah

23:26 <MTughan> Oh, and you can do Ethernet over Firewire. :D

23:26 <PovAddict> I'd use ethernet and stop using wi-fi, if I could

23:26 <PovAddict> it's just the practical issue of running ethernet cable upstairs, and well, iPhone/iPod touch :)

23:27 <MTughan> Get a PCI wireless card.

23:27 <PovAddict> huh

23:28 <PovAddict> already did

23:28 <PovAddict> if I could, I'd wire it instead

23:28 <MTughan> Oh sorry, I took it as the other way around... Ignore that.

23:29 <Rookie_69> Mom won't mind all the cables laying around the house...

23:29 <MTughan> Wireless-to-Ethernet bridge? :P

23:32 <Rookie_69> I have cables tied up where they're least likely to trip me...

23:33 <Rookie_69> ... except for that one across the bedroom door...

23:34 <MTughan> That's what I'm looking for...

23:34 <Rookie_69> Rockin' Pneumonia and the boogie woogie blues...

23:35 <MTughan>

23:35 <Romulus> <> (at

23:35 <MTughan> That's hard to type out...

23:37 <Rookie_69> Oh... Rockin' Pneumonia and the boogie woogie flu.

23:38 <KathrynM> well, I guess I should get moving.  I have no desire to go out, but there's a serious lack of food in the house.

23:39 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

23:39 <Rookie_69> That's the one I have.

23:39 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 39°F / 4°C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM KST; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:22 F.; Clear. High:33 F.; Clear. Low:22 F.; Clear. High:35 F.; Clear. Low:26 F.;

23:39 <Romulus> <> (at

23:39 <KathrynM> laters

23:40 <Rookie_69> Bye.

23:42 <Rookie_69> All work and no food makes house a dull place.

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23:54 <Rookie_69> Imagine that.

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