IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-01-12

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00:16 <Tidus> figured out why my machine got a 2.0 vs a 4.5 on vista.

00:16 <MTughan> Oh?

00:16 <Romulus> I guess Oh is it like SocialBorg, MTughan

00:17 <MTughan> forget Oh

00:17 <Romulus> I hear ya.

00:17 <Tidus> hard disk can only reach 34MiB/sec

00:17 <MTughan> All right...

00:17 <Tidus> 4200rpm sata notebook... what do ya expect? lol

00:17 <MTughan> Heh. Nice.

00:18 <MTughan> There's a reason I prefer the 7200rpm notebook drives.

00:18 <Tidus> but what's weird is it was capable of nearly 100 on vista

00:19 <MTughan> Caching? That's odd.

00:19 <Tidus> could be

00:19 <Tidus> not sure

00:19 <Tidus> i would much rather not use my notebook as a workhorse for video editing lol...

00:19 <Tidus> i normally keep a desktop around with fast large disks for that purpose

00:19 <Tidus> but seeing as i dont have a desktop at the moment... :(

00:20 <MTughan> My 7200rpm SATA1 drive gets 5.4. That's the lowest score I get.

00:20 <MTughan> It's a 120GB drive from mid-2004.

00:21 <Tidus> for pete's sake even the old PATA 200gb that's in my storage server (old celeron 2.53, not nearly fast enough for a workhorse) can outrun the notebook drives

00:21 <Tidus> i think.

00:21 <Tidus> lemme check

00:22 <Tidus> Katrina:~# hdparm -Tt /dev/hdb

00:22 <Tidus> /dev/hdb: Timing cached reads:   1060 MB in  2.00 seconds = 530.11 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads:  186 MB in  3.00 seconds =  61.90 MB/sec

00:22 <Tidus> that's  200gb PATA/100 drive

00:23 <Tidus> it's boot drive only barely eeks out 26MB/sec

00:23 <Tidus> but it's a 20gb ancient ata/66

00:24 <MTughan> Give me a sec, gonna run it on this laptop...

00:24 <MTughan> # /sbin/hdparm -Tt /dev/sda

00:24 <MTughan> /dev/sda:

00:24 <MTughan> Timing cached reads:   11048 MB in  1.99 seconds = 5551.12 MB/sec

00:24 <MTughan> Timing buffered disk reads:  156 MB in  3.00 seconds =  51.98 MB/sec

00:25 <MTughan> Interesting how yours scores more in the buffered disk reads. This is a 160GB 7200rpm SATA2 drive.

00:27 <Tidus> yeah that is weird

00:28 <MTughan> Do you know if there's anything like hdparm for Windows? I don't have a working Linux OS on the Win7 comp.

00:28 <MTughan> Although... I do have a LiveCD that should work.

00:30 <MTughan> If you're waiting for the numbers, it'll have to wait for a bit. Watching a movie.

00:33 <quail> &wx ypad

00:33 <Romulus> quail: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 42% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 14mph / 22km/h | Updated: 3:30 PM CST; Clear. High:87 F.; Clear. Low:69 F.; Clear. High:95 F.; Clear. Low:68 F.; Clear. High:86 F.; Clear. Low:60 F.;

00:43 <Tidus> MTughan: a livecd will be able to do it

00:45 <MTughan> 15-20 minutes left in this.

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00:57 <MTughan> All right, restarting...

00:59 <Tidus> k

01:02 <MTughan> That's odd... It doesn't seem to want to boot from it. It's a Fedora 9 LiveCD on a USB drive. It's worked before, but not now...

01:05 <MTughan> Well, it's an issue for tomorrow... I can save the stats here now, and add mine later if I get it working.

01:05 <Tidus> cool

01:05 <MTughan> But for now, boot Vista, and let BOINC do its thing.

01:05 <Tidus> what kind of machine is it you have win7 on?

01:05 <Tidus> your q6600?

01:05 <MTughan> Same one as Vista. Yeah, that one.

01:05 <Tidus> cool

01:06 <Tidus> i might end up building a phenom II before too long

01:06 <Tidus> or acquiring a twin dual-core opteron machine :)

01:06 <MTughan> I was saying before, once you've used Windows 7, you notice how slow Vista is.

01:07 <Tidus> yeah, that is true

01:07 <Tidus> and how much of a resource hog it is

01:07 <Tidus> i have yet to see the swap thrashing that vista did

01:08 <MTughan> I haven't noticed too much swap thrashing, but I have quite a bit of RAM too.

01:08 <Tidus> i only have 2gb

01:08 <MTughan> 8GB. :)

01:08 <Tidus> vista would swap thrash when playing a game

01:08 <Tidus> win7 don't do that

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01:09 <MTughan> Not even fully loaded yet, already at 1.7GB.

01:09 <Tidus> full load here, 797mb

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01:09 <MTughan> Page file is at 2GB of 16GB apparently...

01:09 <Tidus> vista would be right at a gig with what i have open

01:10 <MTughan> This is Vista I'm watching now.

01:10 <Tidus> i'm on vista

01:10 <Tidus> er.

01:10 <Tidus> sdasdfjkl;asdfjkl;sd

01:10 <Tidus> thanks. i already can't think

01:10 <MTughan> Win7.

01:10 <Tidus> win7

01:10 <MTughan> "I already can't think"? I can tell... :P

01:10 <Tidus> commit charge here on win7 is 1054/6098mb

01:10 <Tidus> 2gb physical 4gb swap

01:11 <Tidus> up time is 8.5hrs

01:11 <Tidus> i restarted earlier to finish program install

01:11 <Tidus> been rather stable too

01:12 <MTughan> Only one other thing I've noticed, although this is with ATI... I installed ATI's beta drivers, but they don't have an OpenGL renderer!

01:12 <Tidus> physical memory (mb): total 2045, cached 1347, available 1240

01:12 <MTughan> Don't know about the default drivers, but I rolled back to them as they gave better performance.

01:12 <Tidus> yeah, i'm using the default nvidia drivers shipped

01:12 <Tidus> seems to run a bit better than the custom package i used on vista

01:13 <MTughan> Total: 8190; Cached: 1442; Free: 5253

01:13 <Tidus> finally got the dual core issue fixed

01:13 <MTughan> After booting Firefox and Thunderbird... Total: 8190; Cached: 1442; Free: 5001

01:14 <Tidus> i just shot myself into the gig territory

01:15 <Tidus> launched skype, xfire, official WL messenger and yahoo

01:15 <Tidus> free is now 960 lol

01:15 <MTughan> xfire?

01:15 <Tidus> gamer's version of msn. also allows recording

01:16 <MTughan> Ah. I usually see that as in Crossfire, but I know you're running Nvidia GPUs.

01:16 <Tidus>

01:16 <Romulus> Title: Xfire - Gaming Simplified (at

01:16 <Tidus> also a rather nice server browser for many first person shooter games

01:17 <Tidus> shows what your friends are playing, and allows you to jump straight into the same server they're playing on

01:18 <MTughan>

01:18 <Romulus> <> (at

01:18 <MTughan> Whoa, the benchmarks went up again... :D

01:18 <Tidus> nice

01:19 <MTughan> Anyway, I get 3000/8000 on Vista, and Win7 gets 3000/8700... Nice boost for integer projects if that's true.

01:19 <Tidus> i don't have anything running boinc at the moment

01:19 <Tidus> i won't do it on portables... lost a lot of leg hair to that one

01:20 <Tidus> and my nas box is too flaky

01:21 <MTughan> I figure once I've sorted out the overclocking and most of the OS issues, this box will pull in about 8-10K/day.

01:21 <MTughan> My Fedora 8 x64 C2D pulls in about 4K/day now.

01:22 <Tidus> cool

01:23 <MTughan> Anyway, I should be off to bed... Have class at 10AM tomorrow.

01:23 <Tidus> k.. till tomorrow

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04:53 <CoderForLife> ack Monday

05:04 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:13 <CoderForLife> b

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05:51 <CoderForLife> late getting ready for w@#% - too busy working on w@#% at home

05:51 <CoderForLife> bbiaf

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06:28 <CoderForLife> ok - out the door - laterz

06:29 <hawmps>,, << spork

06:31 <CoderForLife> thx - all "Somolia pirate"d

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08:26 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20011

08:26 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 31.4F / -0.3C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023.2hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs around 40. Northwest winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 20s. South winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. (1 more message)

08:26 <jackygrahamez> &more

08:26 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Highs in the mid 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.;

08:28 <hawmps> lol - blizzard predicted for inauguration day....

08:29 * Hodapp searches for a clever albeit racist remark to make about white snow and half-black men

08:29 <Hodapp> uh...

08:29 <jackygrahamez> really? is hell freezing over?

08:29 <hawmps> "Halfrican American"

08:29 <Hodapp> I should watch the inauguration with my dad

08:29 <Hodapp> just to see how many comments he makes that include the words "socialist", "terrorist", "black", or "African American"

08:31 <Hodapp> bonus points if he says "He thinks he's going to fix the economy by raising everyone's taxes... well, he's going to find out he's wrong."

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08:33 <jackygrahamez> I don't think he will say any of the above. In fact I think the left will be very disappointed because he will try to move himself to the right to make you happy

08:34 <Hodapp> You don't think my dad's going to say any of the above quotes?

08:34 <jackygrahamez> oh I misunderstood

08:35 <jackygrahamez> Well Obama already pissed off the gays with the guy who is doing the prayer

08:35 * PovAdct_w installs two security updates by hand, hoping they finally install correctly

08:36 <Hodapp> jackygrahamez: What do I care, he already pissed off the (neo-)conservatives by getting himself elected...

08:36 <jackygrahamez> All the more reason for me to support him

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08:38 <Hodapp> The conservatives I'm mostly okay with, but not the neoconservatives.

08:39 <Hodapp> shame, because it seems the majority of the GOP is the latter

08:39 <jackygrahamez> I was happy to see Susan Eisenhower and Christopher Buckley in the Obama camp

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08:40 <PovAdct_w> nope - wtf

08:41 <PovAdct_w> those updates keep reappearing in Windows Updates as available to install

08:42 * Hodapp jumps up and down


08:42 <Hodapp> LOOK AT ME

08:42 <Hodapp> YOU'RE NOT WATCHING

08:42 <Hodapp> UPDATE!

08:42 <Soul_keeper> it appears all the teams with a bird for a mascott won over the weekend ...

08:42 <PovAdct_w> Hodapp: yeah so I update

08:42 <Hodapp> and it appears I still don't care about most of them.

08:42 <PovAdct_w> and reboot

08:42 <Hodapp> PovAdct_w: yes, and then it does it again.

08:42 <PovAdct_w> and a few minutes later... -_-

08:42 <Soul_keeper> someone forgot to take their meds

08:43 <PovAdct_w> you?

08:43 <Romulus> hmm... you are upper fayl, PovAdct_w

08:43 <Soul_keeper> no the kid screaming to the other kid

08:43 <Soul_keeper> maybe obama will feed you all ridalin

08:43 <PovAdct_w> <MTughan> I was saying before, once you've used Windows 7, you notice how slow Vista is.

08:43 <Hodapp> Soul_keeper: I was imitating Windows.

08:43 <PovAdct_w> MTughan: what about Win7 vs WinXP?

08:44 <Soul_keeper> lol  ahh

08:44 <Hodapp> Soul_keeper: If you know me in person you know I'd never have the energy to do that for real at 8:44 AM

08:44 <PovAdct_w> 8 am? what's that?

08:44 <PovAdct_w> does that time actually exist?

08:44 <Soul_keeper> 5:44am here

08:44 <hawmps> &wx Pok, AK

08:44 <Romulus> hawmps: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

08:44 <Hodapp> PovAdct_w: Remember that one time you had that nightmare and woke up screaming?

08:46 <hawmps> sadly, it seems m$ has decided to torture xp users with vista prior to upgrading to win7

08:46 <Hodapp> hawmps: well, duh, then Win7 will look better

08:46 * Hodapp observes that all the lights in the building just got brighter when his roommate's girlfriend quit using the hairdryer

08:46 <PovAdct_w> yeah people will get used to the problems in Vista, then Win7 will look so much better

08:46 <PovAdct_w> I noticed my sister is quick to get used to problems

08:46 <Soul_keeper> so what's the min requirment ?  dual core and 4GB of mem ?

08:47 <PovAdct_w> it's typical that I see an error on her computer and she says "oh yeah I always get that"

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08:47 <PovAdct_w> she just ignores it

08:47 <Hodapp> "Um. Turn the monitor on."

08:48 <Hodapp> "Oh. Uh. Thanks."

08:48 <PovAdct_w> instead of for example telling me so I can try to fix it

08:48 <PovAdct_w> Hodapp: my sister isn't that much of a computer noob (fortunately) :)

08:48 <PovAdct_w> I remember I once saw her go to a Flash-heavy site

08:48 <Soul_keeper> i misread your line.  i thought you were saying  "once you've used win 7 you notice how fast vista is"

08:49 <jackygrahamez> my gosh I remember when the minimum requirements were 1mb of ram, why do these opperating systems keep getting so big

08:49 <PovAdct_w> and very quickly click on all the FlashBlock placeholders to activate them

08:49 <PovAdct_w> so quick it was obvious she had done that a hundred times on that website

08:49 <Soul_keeper> jackygrahamez, because each of the 10,000 employee's has to contribute 10K worth of code minimum ...

08:50 <PovAdct_w> I told her flashblock had a whitelist and she didn't seem to care

08:50 <jackygrahamez> Is M$ laying people off?

08:51 <Soul_keeper> the only ones i've heard they layed off were the halo team

08:51 <Soul_keeper> they have like 30 billion in cash laying around

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08:56 <PovAdct_w> I wonder what would happen if someone says Microsoft stocks are gonna go down a lot

08:56 <PovAdct_w> once a few people believe it and sell, it becomes true

08:56 <PovAdct_w> I wonder if you can take a company down with a rumor like that

08:57 <Soul_keeper> yeah the analysts do that all the time

08:57 <Soul_keeper> they get on tv and tell people to buy it, so that way they can sell their 10million or so shares

08:57 <PovAdct_w> well let's make it widespread and kill microsoft

08:57 <Soul_keeper> then when they wanna buy they get on tv and tell people to sell

08:57 <jackygrahamez> this can be done

08:57 <PovAdct_w> lol

08:58 <jackygrahamez> KillM$@Home

08:58 <PovAdct_w> yup

08:58 <Soul_keeper> MS could afford to buy F, GM, and chrystler  right now

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08:59 <jackygrahamez> I could start saying Steve Ballmer was making interesting calls to Rob Blagojevich

09:00 <Soul_keeper> they are bigger than ibm right now by market cap, and got over twice the cash

09:00 <Soul_keeper> ha

09:03 <jackygrahamez> Anyone good at python here?

09:03 <Soul_keeper> i'm into perl and c/c++ myself

09:03 <jackygrahamez> I'm trying to figure out how to include a library on windows platform libxml2dom

09:05 <Soul_keeper>   says you got some package requirements there

09:05 <Romulus> Title: libxml2dom (at

09:06 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

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09:07 <wdsmia_w> &more

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09:07 <wdsmia_w> &more

09:07 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: to 5 below. Northwest wind 25 to 35 mph decreasing to 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Gusts up to 45 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent. Wind chill readings around 10 below.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Very cold. High 5 to 10 above. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph shifting to the southwest around 5 mph in the afternoon. Lowest wind chill readings 15 to 20 below in the morning.; Blizzard Warning, Winter (1 more message)

09:07 <wdsmia_w> &more

09:07 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on January 12, 2009;

09:07 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

09:07 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 51.3F / 10.7C | Humidity: 40% | Pressure: 29.47in / 997.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs 79 to 84. Winds east 15 mph. Gusts to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows 51 to 61. Winds east 15 to 20 mph. Gusts to 30 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly sunny. Highs 76 to 81. Light winds.; (1 more message)

09:09 <sv2_> hi jackygrahamez !!! so you got my email!!

09:10 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - are you using windows/linux for the boinc server/client?

09:11 <jackygrahamez> yes, I'm trying to include the packages on the windows client since it is easier for me to test that way

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09:11 <PovAdct_w> sv2_: FYI the server doesn't run in Windows

09:11 <jackygrahamez> I know

09:11 <PovAdct_w> might work under cygwin but I think nobody has tried such a beast :)

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09:12 <jackygrahamez> Otherwise I could see if my 64-bit Redhat can run the client on the server, I had trouble doing that for some reason

09:12 <jackygrahamez> Let me try doing that again

09:14 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - go to -- look for easy_install. should be a windows package to install... this should allow you to install some of the required pacakges on the windows machine..

09:15 <jackygrahamez> thanks I'll give that a shot if I can't get the client working on the server

09:15 <sv2_> the client being the python script i sent you?

09:16 <jackygrahamez> no I was having trouble attaching to the project from the server

09:16 <jackygrahamez> it was not your script

09:16 <sv2_> ok.. got it...

09:19 <jackygrahamez> I try to connect the client running on the server and it says can't connect to local host

09:22 <sv2_> is that you connecting to the python script? or something else?

09:23 <jackygrahamez> no I'm just talking about the BOINC client to my server

09:24 <jackygrahamez> it works on other computers over the internet, but for whatever reason not the server

09:30 <sv2_> so this is a complete windows client.. connecting to a linux boinc server?

09:31 <sv2_> i'm confused.. are the server/client on the box? (i would assumes so)

09:34 <PovAdct_w> jackygrahamez: if you were connecting remotely it wouldn't say "local host" :)

09:34 <jackygrahamez> I have a remote 64-bit linux box I am administering which runs Hydrogen@Home. For testing that 64-bit linux platform I am trying to run the BOINC clinet on that box. I first tried to attach to Hydrogen@Home on that box then I tried two other proejcts, neither seem to work, could it be a firewall?

09:35 <PovAdct_w> so you're making the client connect to a project hosted on the same computer, and it fails?

09:35 <jackygrahamez> I tried the same computer and other projects

09:36 <jackygrahamez> they all have the same message, I downloaded the binary client did not compile it

09:43 <jackygrahamez> Correction, I can connect to

09:43 <Romulus> Title: Welcome to Docking@Home! Please read our latest news to get an overview of our current status (at

09:44 <jackygrahamez> ok so whats keeping me from connecting to the project hosted on the same box

09:44 <PovAdct_w> paste(bin) the whole error you get...

09:49 <jackygrahamez> Interesting, I cannot navigate to my main page from the browser unless I type in localhost

09:50 <PovAdct_w> I had similar trouble here

09:51 <PovAdct_w> I suggest editing /etc/hosts and add an entry with your project's domain name

09:51 <PovAdct_w> pointing to

09:55 <jackygrahamez> thanks that fixed it

09:56 <jackygrahamez> sv2_ I should be able to test this on 64-bit now

09:57 <jackygrahamez> If I'm not mistaken, that's better because it matches your environment

10:28 <sv2_> sort of!!

10:28 <sv2_> it does as i'm on linux...

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11:14 <jackygrahamez> Hmm I'm importing packages first libxml2dom, then mechanize now I'm having trouble with tidy

11:21 <jackygrahamez> error: Could not find suitable distribution for Requirement.parse('uTidylib')

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11:29 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - python-tidy...

11:38 <jackygrahamez> the pypi cannot find that package

11:39 <jackygrahamez> i did a search on that website for the other tidy packages and they had issues as well

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11:42 <jackygrahamez> what version of python are you on sv2_?

11:42 <jackygrahamez> maybe I need to upgrade

11:43 <jackygrahamez> I got Python 2.4.3

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12:13 <MTughan> Use at least 2.5.x, if not 2.6.x.

12:13 <MTughan> 3.0.x changes quite a few things, so don't use that yet.

12:13 <PovAdct_w> 3.0 is intentionally incompatible

12:13 <PovAdct_w> I just upgraded from 2.5 to 2.6 here

12:13 <MTughan> I know.

12:14 <MTughan> And in regards with Win7 vs. XP: from what I can remember, it's just as fast, if not faster.

12:14 <MTughan> It's been a while since I've used XP though, and I had it heavily modified. Took quite a while to boot.

12:15 <PovAdct_w> would be interesting to see a real comparison between them

12:16 <PovAdct_w> Vista is a CPU blackhole

12:16 <MTughan> Actually, what am I saying, I haven't used XP for a while... I have it on this laptop! D'oh!

12:16 <PovAdct_w> :D

12:16 <PovAdct_w> or maybe we could say it's just a blackhole: it sucks

12:17 <MTughan> All right, quick notes. Win7 is faster to start up, although that could be a performance bottleneck too. The difference between an OC'd quad, 4x the RAM, and a 2.5" < 3.5" drive (same capacity and rotational speed).

12:18 <PovAdct_w> I've yet to see a Windows version that doesn't get slower with time

12:18 <MTughan> This install is fairly new, probably about October.

12:18 <PovAdct_w> ah not too bad then

12:19 <MTughan> Laptop came with Vista Business giving me downgrade (or upgrade, depending on your view) rights.

12:20 <XioNYC> &wx JFK

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12:20 <XioNYC> &more

12:20 <Romulus> XioNYC: midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. A chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 40 percent.;

12:23 <MTughan> Aha! PovAdct_w:

12:23 <Romulus> Title: Windows 7 beta 1 performance - How does the OS compare to Vista and XP? | Hardware 2.0 | (at

12:24 <MTughan> I knew I had seen that before, but couldn't remember where.

12:25 <PovAdct_w> :|

12:28 <PovAdct_w> lol!

12:28 <PovAdct_w> A says problem X exists, B reports A has said this, C blogs that B has said it, D picks up C's blog and puts out a note on its RSS feed, this gets picked up by A who says "look, someone else with the same problem!".

12:29 <MTughan> Nice...

12:29 <PovAdct_w> typical

12:29 <PovAdct_w> blogs quoting each other and few have actual content

12:39 <MTughan> Whoa... Apparently my LCD monitor can be driven at 75Hz. I thought LCDs only went up to 60Hz.

12:55 <CoderForLife> my LCD at w@RK is 75 Hz

12:56 <CoderForLife> ditto home

12:57 <MTughan> Quick, say your goodbyes! :P

12:57 <PovAdct_w> :D

12:58 <jackygrahamez> bye

13:00 <CoderForLife> buh-bye

13:00 <CoderForLife> "evening" - is that when it'll come back up?

13:07 <MTughan> lol, I like the OS...

13:07 <Romulus> <> (at

13:08 <PovAdct_w> wanna fix that?

13:08 <MTughan> I can't ATM, but sure...

13:10 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - yum install python-tidy

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13:10 <sv2_> i'm running python v2.5.1

13:10 <PovAdct_w> MTughan: :)

13:10 <Romulus> <> (at

13:11 <PovAdct_w> seems to already have some Win7 detection...

13:11 <jackygrahamez> which distribution do you have sv2_?

13:11 <sv2_> jackygrahamez - if i recall, you can comment out the import tidy..

13:11 <jackygrahamez> linux

13:11 <PovAdct_w> MTughan: what version do you have?

13:11 <PovAdct_w> of BOINC

13:11 <jackygrahamez> no linux distro

13:11 <sv2_> i'm runnin fedora 9

13:11 <MTughan> It's running 6.2.19.

13:12 <MTughan> I don't trust the 6.4.x series yet...

13:12 <jackygrahamez> I was not able to get a higher verion of python through my package repository

13:12 <jackygrahamez> I'm embarased to say what version of linux I have

13:13 <PovAdct_w> MTughan: yup, 6.2.19 doesn't have that particular code

13:13 <MTughan> So 6.2.x is still supported, but not actively developed or bugfixed? AKA, that code will never get into 6.2.20 or something?

13:14 <PovAdct_w> I dunno, probably not

13:14 <MTughan> Do you know how well 6.4.5 works?

13:14 <PovAdct_w> 6.3.9 first version to detect Win7

13:16 <MTughan> That didn't answer my question... Is 6.4.5 working well enough for 24/7 work?

13:16 <PovAdct_w> I wouldn't trust it either

13:17 <MTughan> All right, that works for me.

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13:20 <MTughan> PovAdct_w: Would modifying the <os_name> tag in client_state.xml work? Or would BOINC overwrite that?

13:21 <PovAdct_w> hmm good question... let's find out!

13:21 <MTughan> "Let's" as in you, or me?

13:23 <MTughan> Well, I'm doing it on Vista at least...

13:24 <MTughan> Overwritten.

13:25 <MTughan> Although I don't know what it would do if it doesn't detect a Windows version it knows. It might leave it there, depending on the implementation. I'd bet it'd overwrite that too though.

13:26 <MTughan> The version number is detected correctly, and the fact that it's a 64-bit version.

13:29 <PovAdct_w>

13:29 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

13:29 <PovAdct_w> #iphone

13:30 <MTughan> Yeah, I figured it out after reading it twice...

13:31 <PovAdct_w> I remember a dev asking if someone had an immediate need to get the 'shutdown' command working

13:31 <PovAdct_w> someone answered "I know someone who would need it, he currently has his power button disconnected"

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13:34 <MTughan> Dammit! I have to submit a bug to the Mozilla developers... It's way too easy to drag a tab off! How do Chrome users stay sane?!

13:34 <PovAdct_w> you have to drag like 20px down in Chrome to have the tab go off

13:34 <MTughan> Ah... I think it's like 1px here.

13:35 <MTughan> It was alright when you could only reorder tabs, because it just came unsettled for a sec, then went back in.

13:35 <PovAdct_w> and like 5px sideways to change the order of tabs within the window (I think that's a *Windows* configuration, dragging icons and windows in any program use the same threshold)

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13:47 <MTughan> Ah, it's fine. They're going to implement a threshold (probably half the tab height), and the issue has been marked as blocking the release of FF3.1.

13:48 <MTughan> Aw, dammit... Either I didn't notice it before, or now Vista is affected by "yellow fever".

13:54 <MTughan> I don't see any calibration thing.

13:57 <MTughan> Fixed... It's a Samsung color profile!

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14:44 <hawmps> hmmm.. 24KW day..

14:45 <jackygrahamez> upgrading python made no difference

14:45 <hawmps> &math calc 455 * 415 * (.14*.90)

14:45 <Romulus> hawmps: 23791.95

14:45 <hawmps> ok.. 23.8

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14:46 <jackygrahamez> I can't get that python-tidy, when I uncomment the tidy I get IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: ''

14:56 <jackygrahamez> I got the following python packages

14:56 <Romulus> Title: pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

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15:19 <hawmps>

15:19 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 12 - Unusual Light Pillars Over Latvia (at

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15:31 <jackygrahamez> I'm having trouble getting a python-tidy for Redhat

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15:57 <xcamel> anyone know QMC status?

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16:00 <xcamel> spork..

16:06 <MTughan> Google Chrome set to release for Mac/Linux this summer:

16:06 <Romulus> <> (at

16:07 <MTughan> hawmps: Nice APOD.

16:07 <MTughan> Odd light bouncing, but looks damn cool.

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16:33 <MTughan> PovAddict: Google Chrome set to release for Mac/Linux this summer:

16:33 <Romulus> <> (at

16:33 <PovAddict> they're taking over the world! /o\

16:33 <MTughan> And XFX is starting to produce ATI cards.

16:34 <PovAddict> Microsoft working on a Google Docs rival /o\

16:34 <MTughan> They've been one of Nvidia's top producers, and exclusive up until now.

16:34 <PovAddict> the world is going backwards

16:34 <MTughan> Apple is working on, although that doesn't allow online editing (yet).

16:34 <PovAddict>

16:34 <Romulus> <> (at

16:35 <PovAddict> web apps pretending to be desktop apps are a disease

16:35 <PovAddict> ...and it's spreading

16:35 <MTughan> Yeah...

16:36 <PovAddict> "With Workspace we're focused on that lightweight editing," Hutchinson said. "You can do text, formatting, and move things around, but when you get into rich graphics editing, much longer documents or writing a letter to the CEO, you'll probably want to be on the PC."

16:36 <PovAddict> hmm it's something...

16:36 <PovAddict> ...taking over the world too?

16:36 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft Tag - Linking real life with the digital world (at

16:37 <MTughan> I read something about that too... They released an iPhone app at Macworld for that.

16:38 <PovAddict> wow

16:38 <PovAddict> "Thanks in large part to Vista's unpopularity, Windows' share of the OS market has fallen just below 90% for the first time in recent memory as frustrated users turn to Macs and even Linux machines."

16:38 <PovAddict> I didn't know they had dropped below 90%!

16:38 <MTughan> Linky?

16:39 <PovAddict>

16:39 <Romulus> <> (at

16:39 <MTughan> F*** you Microsoft... To view more information on Microsoft Tag, you need Silverlight.

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16:40 <PovAddict> their loss :)

16:41 <PovAddict> have I been under a rock or what?

16:41 <PovAddict> they talk about netbooks as if they had been the hype during all of 2008

16:41 <PovAddict> I discovered them not long ago

16:41 <MTughan> I hadn't heard that Windows had dropped below 90%, but I can believe that.

16:42 <PovAddict> I mean I knew about eeePC and that stuff but netbooks didn't seem "widespread"

16:42 <MTughan> And I've seen netbooks around. I've even seen them as the main machine at a LEGO robotics competition!

16:42 * CoderForLife peeks out from under a rock

16:42 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

16:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 33.6F / 0.9C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Snow...mainly after midnight. Snow accumulation around an inch. Near steady temperatures in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Tuesday - Snow in the morning...then a (2 more messages)

16:43 <PovAddict> I've seen them on sale here too

16:43 <CoderForLife> hmm

16:43 <PovAddict> ...only since this month

16:43 <CoderForLife> snow 2 nite

16:43 <CoderForLife> &more

16:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of snow in the afternoon. Areas of blowing snow. Total snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Highs in the lower 30s. Temperatures falling into the lower 20s in the afternoon. West winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming northwest in the afternoon. Gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy. Much colder with lows 5 to 10 above. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph (1 more message)

16:43 <PovAddict> or maybe I saw them for xmas... but I had never seen them here before at all

16:43 <CoderForLife> &more

16:43 <Romulus> CoderForLife: with gusts up to 25 mph... becoming light west winds after midnight.; Winter Weather Advisory for Hamilton County in effect until 1:00 PM EST on January 13, 2009;

16:45 <MTughan> Gah, what is it with "the cloud"?! PovAddict: Check item #7.

16:45 <PovAddict> ask stallman :)

16:45 <CoderForLife> bbiab   din-din

16:45 * CoderForLife doesn't mind being ignored

16:46 <PovAddict> agree 120% with #10

16:46 <PovAddict> and #9

16:47 <MTughan> #10 and then some, yeah.

16:47 <MTughan> Also agree with #4 and 5.

16:47 <PovAddict> 28.9C >.<

16:49 <PovAddict> huh

16:49 <Romulus> <> (at

16:50 <MTughan> I don't know, I've never used the screensaver or application graphics.

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17:03 <xcamel> << ho hum

17:09 <xcamel> hmmm...

17:09 <xcamel>

17:09 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:19 <CoderForLife> back

17:19 <CoderForLife> Hello Jay


17:20 <MTughan> We saw you before CFL.

17:20 * PovAddict jumps off his chair

17:20 <CoderForLife> tee hee

17:20 <MTughan> We were just caught up in conversation. :P

17:20 <CoderForLife> caught, all right

17:20 <CoderForLife> I am unsure of the direction

17:22 <CoderForLife> wattup boincers?

17:26 <Tidus> just wakin up?

17:26 <CoderForLife> who? You?  Me?

17:26 <PovAddict> first base

17:27 <Tidus> i'm just wakin up

17:27 <CoderForLife> I came across a new Linux "arch" today

17:27 <Tidus> MTughan: found another feature in win7. windows key + up arrow maximizes, win+down restore / minimize

17:27 <MTughan> Yep, that definitely doesn't exist in Vista.

17:27 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: was it archlinux?

17:28 <CoderForLife> arch as in i386, x86_64, etc

17:28 <PovAddict> ah

17:28 <PovAddict> &google linux arch

17:28 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.10 seconds: Arch Linux: <>; Arch Linux: <>; Arch Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Linux arch Command: <>; Arch Linux : An End To My Distro Shuffle?: <>; Review - Arch Linux (1 more message)

17:28 <Tidus> what'd ya find ?

17:28 <CoderForLife> Enter uname -a and get...

17:29 <CoderForLife> Linux novstart #1 SMP Tue May 6 12:41:02 UTC 2008 s390x s390x s390x GNU/Linux

17:29 <Tidus> oh the s390 ...

17:29 <Tidus> i've played on hppa

17:29 <CoderForLife> yeah, close...

17:30 <PovAddict> Darwin iPod 9.3.1 Darwin Kernel Version 9.3.1: Sun Jun 15 21:37:01 PDT 2008; root:xnu-1228.6.76~45/RELEASE_ARM_S5L8900X iPod1,1 arm N45AP Darwin

17:30 <CoderForLife> it's actually an Independent Facility for Linux (IFL) processor inside the z9 mainframe

17:30 <CoderForLife> our base mainframe runs at 200 mips; this bad boy will run 1000 mips

17:30 <MTughan> Linux michaellinux #1 SMP Thu Oct 23 04:26:07 EDT 2008 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

17:31 <MTughan> :D

17:31 <Tidus> Linux Katrina 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

17:31 <PovAddict> I don't know what people are waiting to throw mainframes to the trash -_-'

17:31 <PovAddict> I've seen documentation calling them "IBM dinosaurs"

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17:31 <CoderForLife> this can run several hundred Linux virtual servers at the same time

17:32 <Tidus> so can my toaster :P

17:33 <Tidus> nah, just kidding

17:33 <xcamel> mine runs at bogomips

17:33 <CoderForLife> I think we'll be challenged to find the RPM for mc.s390x

17:33 <CoderForLife> I asked them for the bogomips rating

17:33 <CoderForLife> the mainframe guys just looked at me dumbfounded

17:34 <CoderForLife> the first thing they wanted to do was hook the Linux security into Active Directory

17:34 <xcamel> mainframe guys are normally dumbfounded

17:34 <xcamel> period.

17:35 <CoderForLife> rpmfind has no packages for s390x

17:35 <xcamel> sorry, no seultrix avaiable

17:35 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: build from source like a real man

17:35 <PovAddict> :D

17:35 <CoderForLife> you want the mainframe system engineers building Linux apps from source?

17:36 <CoderForLife> hint: no

17:36 <xcamel> only if you have about a month to spare..

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17:37 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

17:37 <CoderForLife> they wanted me to tell them how to use LDAP to authenticate Linux users against AD - I told them I never wanted to do that with Linux

17:37 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 32F / 0C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 30.22in / 1023hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 13mph / 20km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph...becoming south after midnight.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday (1 more message)

17:37 <XioNYC> &more

17:37 <Romulus> XioNYC: Night - Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Windy with lows around 20. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph...becoming northwest 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

17:38 <xcamel> hmmm.. 2 million more acres taken from private property owners...

17:41 <MTughan> &math 2.5 / .38

17:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 6.57894736842

17:41 <MTughan> &math 2.5 / .38 - 2.5

17:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 4.07894736842

17:42 <MTughan> Heh, just found a Vista bug... Window previews don't update if the window is minimized.

17:42 <Tidus> lol

17:44 <PovAddict> many apps completely stop updating their windows if they are minimized...

17:44 <xcamel> sounds like a feature to me...

17:45 <MTughan> Oh, that's possible... I noticed it with a Firefox download window.

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17:58 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:59 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:59 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 32.6F / 0.3C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 29.96in / 1014.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 9.0mph / 14.5km/h ; Late This Afternoon - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Windy. West wind 15 to 30 mph with gusts to around 40 mph.; Tonight - Bitterly cold. Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of light snow in the evening...then partly (2 more messages)

17:59 <wdsmia> &more

17:59 <Romulus> wdsmia: cloudy after midnight. Areas of blowing snow after midnight. Windy. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 25 to 35 mph with gusts to around 45 mph decreasing to 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Lowest wind chill readings 15 to 20 below after midnight.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Very cold. High 10 to 15. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the west 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon. Lowest wind chill (1 more message)

17:59 <wdsmia> &more

17:59 <Romulus> wdsmia: readings 15 to 20 below in the morning.; Winter Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect until 6:00 PM CST on January 12, 2009;

18:05 <CoderForLife> snow with 40mph?

18:06 <CoderForLife> =blizzard

18:06 <wdsmia> yup

18:07 <CoderForLife> wind chill to 20 below

18:07 <CoderForLife> they sure know how to party hearty in Iowa

18:07 <xcamel> that's going to be here by thursday - possible WC's to -30

18:07 <wdsmia> would have been really bad if it hadnt got up into the low 30's today snow was the light fluffy stuff

18:08 <wdsmia> you can have it

18:08 <CoderForLife> we're supposed to get 1 to 3 inches with some wind to drift it up real nice

18:08 <CoderForLife> I bow to your storm supremacy

18:09 <xcamel> snow tomorrow... then the blast from the cold side of hell.

18:09 <CoderForLife> Stephen's home - time for dinner table discussions - bbl

18:13 <xcamel> yeah, that "move out, get married, and have children" conversation is always interesting...

18:13 <wdsmia> lol

18:14 <xcamel> parents can get really bored without grandchildren, and end up spending their kids inheritance pretty quickly...

18:14 <PovAddict>

18:14 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:15 <xcamel> perfect..

18:15 <Tidus> go dell...

18:15 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:21 <MTughan> That is a massive card...

18:23 <Tidus> that's a LOT of card for the rough equivalent of 25 dollars

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18:24 <PovAddict> !

18:24 <PovAddict> gbp?

18:25 <PovAddict> &currency convert 12.95 gbp ars

18:25 <Romulus> PovAddict: 12.95 gbp = 66.21 ars

18:25 <PovAddict> !

18:25 <MTughan> Whoa, I didn't even realize the price...

18:26 <PovAddict> &currency convert 12.95 gbp cad

18:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: 12.95 gbp = 23.33 cad

18:26 <MTughan> I know the approximate price conversion.

18:26 <PovAddict> &currency convert 500 eur ars

18:26 <Romulus> PovAddict: 500.00 eur = 2305.20 ars

18:27 <xcamel> fwiw - I've had good luck with PNY/nvidia in the past

18:28 <xcamel> um... false advertising..

18:28 <xcamel> PNY Nvidia Quadro FX 4600 SDI 768MB PCI-E PNY ...$4,915.99 - FXVideoCards

18:28 <xcamel> PNY NVIDIA Quadro FX 4600 SDI - Graphics ...$5,185.43 -

18:28 <xcamel> PNY Technologies - PNY NVIDIA Quadro FX 4600 SDI$5,440.00 - CORPORATeGO

18:28 <xcamel> that thing costs as much as a small car...

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18:30 <wdsmia> talking small cars whats the status of your jeep?

18:31 <PovAddict> lol @ small

18:33 <xcamel> born on date is 1/27

18:34 <xcamel> assuming Jeep is still in business then...

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18:46 <zombie67> cels test is shut down.  any way to find out what my id was?

18:46 <zombie67> number, not userid

18:47 <PovAddict> boincstats knows it?

18:48 <zombie67> nope

18:48 <PovAddict> maybe it would be in your client if the project had a link for the manager that took you to your user details

18:48 <zombie67> they never listed the test project

18:48 <zombie67> none of my clients are attached

18:49 <PovAddict> then I'm not sure what answer you expected to your question :D

18:49 <zombie67> I thought there was a page out there that kept a snapshot of stats from dead projects

18:50 <PovAddict> there is

18:50 <PovAddict> it doesn't have cels either

18:50 <PovAddict> did cels ever export stats?

18:51 <PovAddict> wtf

18:51 <PovAddict> is the stats archive I knew of

18:51 <PovAddict> it's stuck in December 2007

18:51 <zombie67> they must have exported stats, because free-dc lists them

18:52 <zombie67> but in order for it to list it in my sig, I have to put in my userid

18:52 <PovAddict> what was the URL of it?

18:52 <PovAddict> I see cels in boincstats... did they have a separate test project?

18:52 <zombie67> yes

18:54 <PovAddict>

18:54 <Romulus> Title: Cels@Home [Second] Test Project (at

18:54 <PovAddict> it's still up :)

18:55 <PovAddict>

18:55 <PovAddict>

18:55 <Romulus> <> (at

18:55 <Romulus> <> (at

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18:58 <zombie67> ah!  They moved it.  Thanks!

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18:58 <zombie67> used to be

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19:06 <xcamel> those to the west of me... eyeball the moonrise tonight - it's beautiful.

19:21 <zombie67> somehow SETI@home knows I have 167 classic units.  how does it know?

19:21 <zombie67> how do I tell what my account name/number was for seti classic?

19:24 <PovAddict>

19:24 <Romulus> <> (at

19:24 <PovAddict> SETI@Home automatically created accounts for SETI classic users ->

19:24 <Romulus> <> (at

19:25 <zombie67> "Your current SETI@home/BOINC account is already linked to a Classic account.

19:25 <zombie67> Please click on "Your Account" and look in the "Work done" section to see your Classic statistics."

19:25 <zombie67> so it just shows the stats, not the account number/name

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19:32 <xcamel> the classic stats are pretty old...

19:33 <PovAddict> no sh*t

19:34 <xcamel> then why are you obsessed with them? they're like white dog poop in the back lot now...

19:34 <PovAddict> zombie67 is

19:34 <PovAddict> I don't even have a classic account

19:35 * xcamel snickers..

19:35 <PovAddict> when I found about SETI, their website had a big message saying

19:36 <PovAddict> "here are the downloads, but don't use get these unless you're upgrading; get BOINC instead" and a link to it

19:36 <PovAddict> oslt

19:37 <zombie67> free-dc lists non-BOINC projects in your signature too.  but they need the account number/name

19:37 <zombie67> this includes seti classic

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19:55 * Hodapp still attempts to get seti@home to use CUDA...

19:57 <Hodapp> it looks like it refuses to download the CUDA-enabled application.

19:59 <MTughan> This has probably been suggested, but... Does BOINC detect a coprocessor?

19:59 <Hodapp> Yes.

19:59 <MTughan> All right, just to be sure. :P

20:00 <Hodapp> gpugrid fails because of a problem I think I finally fixed but it's deferred all communication for 22 hours

20:00 <Hodapp> meh.

20:00 <MTughan> You can tell BOINC to update the project, it'll still connect, and usually ask for work.

20:01 <Hodapp> gpugrid?

20:01 <Romulus> Somebody said gpugrid is in linux, Hodapp

20:01 <MTughan> Yeah.

20:01 <Hodapp> "project is temporarily shut down for maintenance"?

20:01 <MTughan> Oh, that's different...

20:02 <Hodapp> Different from what?

20:02 <MTughan> From just being deferred because you ask too often for work. LHC does that.

20:02 <Hodapp> That's the first time I've gotten the maintenance message.

20:03 <Hodapp> It is in fact deferring communication because I asked too often for work.

20:03 <Hodapp> it was, at least.

20:03 <MTughan> That's fine. Usually, if you wait a couple minutes, then update it, it'll ask for work.

20:04 <Hodapp> It's just going to suddenly decide that I don't need to wait another 22 hours?

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20:05 <MTughan> No, the core client will basically "cancel" the deferral and contact the project anyway. Whether the project will defer you again or something else, is up to the server.

20:06 <Hodapp> My messages about the daily quota being reached are all from the server.

20:06 <MTughan> Oh, you've reached a daily quota... All right, then you won't get any more workunits. I thought it was something else.

20:07 <Hodapp> hmmm.

20:08 <xcamel> daily limits wouldn't bee needed if people didn't hack their way into hogging them...

20:09 <Hodapp> whatever.

20:12 <Hodapp> The reason I'm running into them is because their application kept quitting early because I didn't set something up right with CUDA. But it appears nothing on the local side ever caught this - it just ignored the errors and asked for more work.

20:14 <xcamel> that is going to be an ongoing problem

20:14 <Hodapp> What do you mean?

20:15 <xcamel> "a bug in the program"

20:16 <Hodapp> Looks like more of a misfeature than a bug.

20:18 <xcamel> the problem with CUDA, more like the elephant in the corner, is expecting a GPU to do 'real math' - they dont.

20:18 <MTughan> GPUGRID's servers are running again.

20:19 <Hodapp> Yeah, but I can't do anything with them.

20:23 <efc> does anybody use this Nvidia digital vibrance stuff? my monitor was looking a little dull so I was trying it..

20:23 <Hodapp> it just looks like saturation to me.

20:23 <efc> This is a high-gamut monitor

20:23 <efc> Not sure if that would be making it look dull

20:24 <xcamel> Mike, is a Canadian porn star considered a "Busy Beaver" ??

20:24 <Hodapp> How much higher is its gamut?

20:24 <efc> will look..

20:24 * xcamel runs an hides

20:25 <efc> 102%

20:25 <MTughan> xcamel: How should I know?

20:25 <Hodapp> And where does that number come from?

20:25 <efc> HP's specs

20:25 <PovAddict> brb

20:25 <Hodapp> Link to them.

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20:26 * efc grumble

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20:26 <MTughan> 'lo IPv6 Pov

20:28 <efc>

20:28 <Romulus> <> (at

20:28 <efc> or better

20:28 <Romulus> <> (at

20:28 <efc> hope that proves something

20:37 <Hodapp> nothing on that page convinces me it's anything more than marketing with little to back it up

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21:16 <jackygrahamez> hi

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21:26 <sv2_> hey

21:27 <Hodapp> hey.

21:28 <xcamel> 'lo sv

21:33 <xcamel> hi Jack

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21:55 <xcamel> laterz..

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22:05 <jackygrahamez> hi

22:06 <jackygrahamez> I did it again, watched another two hours of Jack Bauer violating human rights

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23:21 <Tidus> MTughan: win7 is seemingly quite a bit more stable than vista for me

23:22 <Tidus> even in this beta stage

23:22 <Tidus> had the cpu pegged for 24hrs now

23:24 <MTughan> Yeah, although to do an install can take a while...

23:25 <MTughan> Just cleaned off XP on my laptop and installed Win7. I made a list of programs to download/install. 40 in all. xD

23:25 <Tidus> ouch

23:25 <MTughan> And one I can't even get ATM... Can you get to ?

23:26 <Tidus> no i cant

23:26 <MTughan> Gah. I need Python.

23:26 <Tidus> but i've had this thing pegged out hard for the last 24 hours and not even a hiccup

23:27 <MTughan> If nothing else, I can probably use ActivePython, but I'd prefer original.

23:27 <MTughan> Yeah. I haven't gotten there yet (I want to flush out the rest of the BOINC tasks on this machine), but this computer will probably use Win7 as its main OS for a while.

23:29 <Tidus> i've had it testing under prime95

23:29 <MTughan> Ah, that's stress.

23:29 <MTughan> Reminds me, I need to OC this further...

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