IRC logs of #boinc for Tuesday, 2009-01-13

00:09 <Tidus> whoa...

00:10 <Tidus> computer just went completely bonkers...

00:11 <MTughan> 7 or Vista?

00:12 <Tidus> 7

00:14 <Tidus> skype went nuts

00:14 <MTughan> Just Skype?

00:14 <Tidus> yeah, but it required a logout to restore aero

00:14 <MTughan> Actually, I did have that issue before... Not sure what it was, it reverted after a bit.

00:15 <MTughan> I've installed the Skype beta on my laptop, isn't started yet.

00:15 <MTughan> I have like 4 programs installed that have asked for restarts, haven't yet. :P

00:16 <Tidus> yeah lol

00:16 <Hodapp> hmm, what'd you guys offer for a decent Socket 754 mobo, Sempron 3000+, 512 MB DDR400, and ATI Radeon 9250? I'm trying to set a baseline price for ebay or craigslist

00:16 <Tidus> 250

00:17 <Tidus> because of 2 things. socket 754, end of upgrade path 2 years ago. and it's agp

00:17 <Hodapp> In what currency?

00:17 <Tidus> 250 USD

00:17 <MTughan> Wow, old GPU... My Radeon 9600 was in 2004.

00:17 <Hodapp> That seems awfully high. I bought almost everything there for $500 about 3 1/2 years ago, and that included a case too.

00:17 <Hodapp> and a fan.

00:17 <Tidus> 200 to 250

00:18 <Hodapp> and double the RAM.

00:18 <Tidus> that's about all i'd give

00:18 <Hodapp> Okay.

00:18 <Tidus> i gave 350 for a socket am2 with 1gb ram, geforce 6600, 200gb disk, case, psu, all of that

00:18 <Hodapp> MTughan: Passively cooled and the last card that's supported completely with the open source ATI 3D drivers at the time.

00:19 <Hodapp> you'd give $350 for that, but $200-$250 for this which is much lower-spec? o_O

00:19 <Tidus> i only got it for 350 because it was with the friend discount.

00:19 <Hodapp> oooh.

00:20 <Tidus> he was wanting 425

00:20 <Tidus> he offered me a socket am2 dell with a x2 4000, 3gb ram, 300gb disk, and a new 22x dvd burner

00:20 <Tidus> for $200

00:20 <Tidus> no OS, but yeah...

00:21 <Hodapp> hmmm

00:22 <Tidus> 350 if i wanted vista ultimate

00:22 * Hodapp snickers uncontrollably

00:22 <MTughan> $150 for Vista Ultimate? Not bad...

00:27 <Hodapp> Alright, you win. Someone else said $200 for the lot of parts I listed.

00:30 <Tidus> cool

00:34 <Tidus> well, it went bonkers, and now i'm pushing it even harder than i was before it went nuts

00:44 <MTughan> One nice thing with Windows 7... If a program is stuck and you want to restart to kill it, it'll pop up a screen saying a program is preventing Windows from shutting down/restarting.

00:44 <MTughan> From which, you can tell it to force restart or just keep waiting.

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01:59 <Tidus> i can't figure out which i like better. all notification icons hidden or all shown

01:59 <Tidus> there's no inbetween like there was on xp / vista

02:00 <jasong>

02:00 <Romulus> <> (at

02:00 <jasong> Microsoft is getting a bit bold

02:00 <jasong> A kid's book about MS crap?

02:02 <jasong> Strangely enough, I found it on the same page as an article about Neo-Nazis.  Perhaps Google found some keyword hits?

02:10 <Tidus> lol

02:15 <Tidus> i think it's funny that an ms product is actually willing to play nice with macs...

02:15 <Tidus> windows home server also talks time machine for macs

02:24 <XioNYC> &wx JFK

02:24 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds...becoming southwest around 5 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tuesday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

02:24 <XioNYC> &more

02:24 <Romulus> XioNYC: cloudy with a chance of rain in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Windy with lows around 20. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph...becoming northwest 15 to 25 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.;

02:24 <XioNYC> ugh

02:24 <XioNYC> &nn

02:24 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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03:30 <efc> moo

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03:47 <efc> hmm, i have more checks, i must have more money

03:47 <Tank_Master> LOL

03:47 * Tank_Master agrees

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03:52 <efc> brb

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04:08 <efc> the vibrance stuff started getting on my nerves

04:11 <Tank_Master> ?

04:12 <efc> my monitor was seeming a little dull

04:12 <efc> so I turned on that digital vibrance thing i the nvidia drivers, which I always found gross before

04:14 <Tank_Master> heh

04:14 <Tank_Master> yeah

04:14 <Tank_Master> Ive used it int he past, just real suttle

04:14 <Tank_Master> like a half a notch

04:14 <Tank_Master> but I dont use it any more

04:16 <Tank_Master> anywho, gn

04:22 <efc> night

04:24 <CoderForLife> plink

04:31 <CoderForLife> here's a job for you efc,2933,479747,00.html

04:31 <Romulus> Title: - Australia Offers 'Best Job in World' On Paradise Island - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News (at

04:34 <efc> :(

04:35 * FreeLarry58 thinks CoderForLife very generous for sharing

04:35 <CoderForLife> I'm sure you can play with your telescope, too

04:35 * Tank_Master pushes CoderForLife into a crevasse

04:35 <CoderForLife> I'm too big to fit into a crevasse

04:35 <efc> still acquiring parts

04:35 * Tank_Master smacks CoderForLife with a red Swingline stapler

04:36 <Tank_Master> :P

04:36 * FreeLarry58 crevasse = grand canyon

04:36 <Tank_Master> anywho, gn ye all

04:36 * CoderForLife fires Tiny Tot staples at Tank_Master

04:38 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:53 <CoderForLife> b

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05:02 <CoderForLife> snow moving in - getting ready for w@#% a bit early

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05:34 <CoderForLife> still too warm for snow - local temp is 38F

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05:35 <CoderForLife> looks like it's just raining outside

05:35 <CoderForLife> time to hit the street

05:35 <CoderForLife> laterz

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05:39 <FreeLarry> humm wonder if the disconnect here has any connection to the vista machine crashing suddenly

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06:26 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:14 <hawmps> &wx 12020

07:14 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 11.4F / -11.4C | Humidity: 86% | Pressure: 30.00in / 1015.8hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers this afternoon. Highs in the lower 30s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely in the evening...then a chance of snow (1 more message)

07:14 <hawmps> &more

07:14 <Romulus> hawmps: showers after midnight. Total snow accumulation around an inch. Lows around 8 above. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph... becoming west 15 to 20 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny and much colder. Near steady temperature around 9 above. West winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

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08:01 <PovAddict> I want to write a trojan that uninstalls Silverlight off people's computers

08:03 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: hah, advertising the island

08:10 <PovAddict> I read about companies paying people to blog positively about their software and stuff like that...

08:13 <Soul_keeper>   nice

08:13 <Romulus> <> (at

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08:36 <jackygrahamez> hi

08:36 <jackygrahamez> &wx 2001

08:36 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

08:36 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20011

08:36 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 33.2F / 0.7C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then clearing. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny. Highs in (1 more message)

08:36 <jackygrahamez> &more

08:36 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: the lower 30s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph...becoming west 5 to 10 mph in the afternoon.;

08:39 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:39 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: -6.8F / -21.6C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.43in / 1030.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Today - Sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Very cold. High around 10. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Tonight - Snow. Not as cold. Snow accumulation of 2 to 3 inches. Low 5 to (2 more messages)

08:39 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:39 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: 10 above. Southeast wind 10 to 15 mph shifting to the southwest after midnight. Chance of snow 90 percent. Wind chill readings 5 to 10 below.; Wednesday - Cloudy until late afternoon then becoming partly sunny. Very cold. Breezy. Areas of blowing snow. Scattered flurries. High around 10. North wind 15 to 25 mph with gusts to around 35 mph. Wind chill readings 10 to 15 below.; Wind Chill (1 more message)

08:39 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:39 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Advisory for Polk County in effect until 9:00 AM CST on January 13, 2009;

08:41 <wdsmia_w> It be cold out there

08:47 <Soul_keeper>   this is impressive,  the atom can do 4 threads now. and paired with a geforce 9400   it could do a little damage with GPUgrid

08:47 <Romulus> Title: AnandTech: NVIDIA's Ion Platform: Hands on at CES 2009 (at

08:47 <Soul_keeper> i wonder how much it'll market for

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09:03 <PovAddict> hehe

09:03 <Romulus> <> (at

09:08 <jackygrahamez> sv2_ you there?

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12:36 <hawmps> &wx 12020

12:36 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 30.6F / -0.8C | Humidity: 67% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 9.0mph / 14.5km/h ; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. Highs in the lower 30s. South winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Snow showers likely in the evening...then a chance of snow (1 more message)

12:37 <hawmps> &more

12:37 <Romulus> hawmps: showers after midnight. Total snow accumulation around an inch. Lows around 8 above. Southwest winds 15 to 20 mph... becoming northwest after midnight. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Wednesday - Mostly sunny and much colder. Near steady temperature around 9 above. West winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

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14:03 <XioNYC> &wx 10010

14:04 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 41.3F / 5.2C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: in / hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain this afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. South winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain and snow (1 more message)

14:04 <XioNYC> &more

14:04 <Romulus> XioNYC: in the evening. Breezy with lows around 20. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph with gusts up to 20 mph...increasing to northwest 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph after midnight. Chance of precipitation 20 percent.; Wednesday - Sunny and brisk. Cold with highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.;

14:16 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

14:16 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 3.4F / -15.9C | Humidity: 64% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Very cold. High around 10. Northwest wind 5 to 10 mph shifting to the southwest in the afternoon.; Tonight - Snow. Not as cold. Snow accumulation of 2 to 3 inches. Low 5 to 10 above. Southeast wind (1 more message)

14:16 <hawmps> chill from hell coming...

14:17 <wdsmia_w> its a bit crisp out there

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14:49 <PovAddict> Tidus:

14:49 <Romulus> <> (at

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15:22 <Tank_Master> would it be worth geting a 1050w PS over an 850w if it is only $30 more?

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15:57 <xcamel> re-hi

15:58 <xcamel>,, << spork

15:59 <DerMeister> The last time I bough a PSU these things had about 400W to 500W... o_O

15:59 <FreeLarry58> morn - i see update tuesday in swing

15:59 <FreeLarry58> DerMeister now they getting around 750W

16:00 * FreeLarry58 at least at store i go to

16:00 <FreeLarry58> store mostly pushing the 550W psu tho

16:01 <MTughan> Tank_Master: Depends on its efficiency. If the 850W has higher efficiency, it's probably better than going with a cheap 1050W.

16:02 <Tank_Master> same

16:02 <Tank_Master> same effecently

16:02 <Tank_Master> same company, same lone of PS

16:02 <Tank_Master> line*

16:02 <FreeLarry58> rail ratings? for 12 and 5VDC?

16:02 <MTughan> Well, your choice. Most computers can't use 850W steady, but 1050W would give you more expandability.

16:03 <MTughan> FreeLarry58: Presumably the same if the same brand and line.

16:03 <jackygrahamez> i'm going home :-)

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16:03 <FreeLarry58> not always MTughan

16:03 <FreeLarry58> at least from the retail boxes i checked at sstore - some vary by 10 or more amps per rail

16:04 <FreeLarry58> depending on ratings

16:04 <Tank_Master> its the endermax revolution series

16:04 <FreeLarry58> while i agree they probably could be pushed some - voltage instablity more likely if overloading a rail

16:04 <xcamel> iirc, when they tested them, most put out much less than their rating...

16:05 <xcamel> it doesn't pay to buy a cheap one.

16:05 <FreeLarry58> humm gave up on endermax years ago as was unstable at ratings

16:05 <FreeLarry58> maybe they have changed?

16:06 <FreeLarry58> or was that enermax?

16:07 <FreeLarry58> using mostly allied psu currently

16:08 <MTughan> I think Enermax used to make some good PSUs. I sort of stopped following PSUs until recently, when I got a PC Power and Cooling unit.

16:08 <MTughan> Dunno about their current line.

16:09 <FreeLarry58> same - been a while since last build

16:10 <FreeLarry58> dang ie7 taking a long time loading pages

16:10 <FreeLarry58> think M$ antiphising is slow today

16:11 <FreeLarry58> getting machine to lockup slightly also

16:14 <FreeLarry58> did everyone have fun with the lhc run over last few days?

16:14 <MTughan> Gah, I hate Intel's drivers ATM... Trying to get their Turbo Memory driver installed, because my laptop has it. But it keeps saying the OS isn't supported.

16:14 <FreeLarry58> let me guess XP which they stopped supporting this month

16:15 <FreeLarry58> in an attempt to force everyone to bad os vista then to win&

16:15 <FreeLarry58> 7

16:15 <MTughan> No, Windows 7.

16:15 <FreeLarry58> ohhh beta which isn't supported yet

16:15 <MTughan> Not even forcing Vista compatibility works though.

16:16 <FreeLarry58> nope it wont as os being reported as win7

16:16 <FreeLarry58> and drivers are assigned by os

16:17 <PovAddict> DerMeister: blame CPUs

16:17 <PovAddict> er GPUs

16:17 <Tidus> PovAddict: and that picture was supposed to mean what exactly?

16:17 <PovAddict> Tidus: look carefully...

16:17 <PovAddict> arrows...

16:18 <PovAddict> FreeLarry58: compatibility mode, among other things, changes the answer when the app asks "what version of the OS am I in?"

16:18 <Tidus> the shape?

16:18 <FreeLarry58> not always

16:18 <PovAddict> Tidus: toolbar as full of arrows as DDR

16:19 <MTughan> lol...

16:19 <FreeLarry58> hes trying to dl and install a driver - mostly ones that load prior to os so closer to machine

16:19 <PovAddict> ah a driver

16:19 <Tidus> oh lol... seems a bit emptier than that ddr screenshot

16:19 <PovAddict> count the arrows!

16:19 <MTughan> FreeLarry58: This is in the installer.

16:19 <PovAddict> 9 or 10

16:19 <Tidus> vs 400 for that ddr screenshot :P

16:20 <Tidus> unless you mean just at the top

16:20 <FreeLarry58> lol installer may work but driver wont - went thru a lot of problems with ME long ago like it

16:20 <MTughan> Underlying, the framework is quite similar to Vista. Which the driver is designed for.

16:20 <Tidus> MTughan: i found a use for the superbar, finally.

16:20 <MTughan> Superbar?

16:21 <Tidus> and MTughan: i tried to use a vista driver on win7 ... endless bluescreen cycle

16:21 <PovAddict> superbar to the rescue

16:21 <PovAddict> -_-

16:21 <FreeLarry58> they removed parts of vista framework to make win7 more stable but installers are very specific

16:21 <FreeLarry58> and drivers more so

16:21 <Tidus> MTughan: yeah, i moved taskbar back to the left, turned the large icons and always combine back on

16:22 <Tidus> and pinned my most often used programs to it

16:22 <Tidus> similar to what i did with the osx dock

16:22 <MTughan> Hmm, odd effect... I didn't do that, even with OS X.

16:23 <FreeLarry58> well off to think about what to make for lunch -- tca

16:24 <Tidus> MTughan: ... give it about 30 seconds

16:25 <MTughan> Oh, didn't realize you meant time to download... :P

16:25 <PovAddict> hmm shiny

16:25 <PovAddict> you're tempting me to try it

16:25 <MTughan> IRC over telnet?

16:26 <Tidus> irc over ssh to my debian machine

16:26 <PovAddict> you should know IRC over telnet doesn't look like that :D

16:26 <PovAddict> the titlebar buttons on Skype look ugly

16:27 <Tidus> yeah, that's the skype beta as well

16:27 <MTughan> They're custom, not Vista.

16:27 <Tidus> so expect weirdness

16:27 <MTughan> Or Win7.

16:27 <PovAddict> I once tried writing an app with a custom-drawn titlebar

16:28 <PovAddict> I don't know why so many apps do that

16:28 <PovAddict> it's not only annoying but also very hard to code

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16:28 <MTughan> I've got 3 devices left in the Device Manager on my laptop that don't quite work yet...

16:29 <CoderForLife> plink

16:29 <MTughan> A PCI Simple Communications Controller, a PCI Memory Controller (probably Turbo Memory), and an "Unknown Device".

16:29 <CoderForLife> bbiab

16:29 <MTughan> Tidus: Do I care ask what your background is?

16:29 <Tidus> you like?

16:29 <Tidus> or wanna see the whole thing?'

16:30 <FreeLarry58> MTughan is the chipset driver for mb installed? that should take care of most of those

16:30 <PovAddict> both?

16:30 <Romulus> Rumor has it both are running at 2.7G or identical at 53.3w, PovAddict

16:30 <PovAddict> ... >_<

16:30 <MTughan> FreeLarry58: Yes.

16:30 <Tidus> forget both

16:30 <Romulus> Gotcha.

16:30 <PovAddict> slash-ignore-Romulus

16:30 <Tidus> MTughan: you like the background or you just wanna see the whole thing?

16:30 <MTughan> I don't know. All I can see is basically a skirt.

16:30 <Tidus> it's nothing bad

16:31 <MTughan> And a short one at that.

16:31 <FreeLarry58> MTughan has the mb site got drivers for the items?

16:31 <MTughan> Dunno. You can probably look it up if you want. It's a Lenovo T400, model 2765-T7U.

16:32 <MTughan> Tidus: All my wallpapers can be found here, except for one.

16:32 <Romulus> <> (at

16:32 <Tidus> MTughan:

16:32 <Romulus> <> (at

16:32 <MTughan> It's Carrot Bomb, which I modified to be more black.

16:32 <MTughan> Interesting...

16:32 <Soul_keeper> one of the seti founders apparently passed away in november

16:33 <Soul_keeper> "Giuseppe Cocconi, author (with Philip Morrison) of the first paper on radio SETI, 'Searching for Interstellar Communications' and a central figure in particle physics and cosmic rays, passed away on 9 November at age 94"

16:33 <MTughan> Oh yes, new feature, seemingly borrowed straight from OS X: you can have multiple wallpapers, and Windows will fade between them.

16:33 <Tidus> and if you unplug, it'll pause the fading to increase battery life

16:33 <MTughan> Ah, you use Handbrake too... Very useful program.

16:34 <Tidus> MTughan: the link i posted is my current wallpaper

16:34 <Tidus> as you can see, nothing terrible :)

16:34 <MTughan> I saw it.

16:36 <Tank_Master> the frequency of crash?

16:36 <Tidus> ?

16:36 <Tank_Master> ugg, wrong window

16:36 <PovAddict> nothing terrible? she has a piercing!

16:36 <PovAddict> :P

16:37 <Tidus> yes, but only one, and no tattoos :P

16:38 * FreeLarry58 notes he will break 1M in two days on einstien -- 2 projects over 1M then so which one to work on next

16:39 <PovAddict> ok concentration-attempt time

16:39 <wdsmia_w> @Larry

16:39 <Romulus> <> (at

16:39 <PovAddict> going back to that Python-C++ Code

16:40 <PovAddict> wdsmia_w: >_<

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16:40 <Tidus> MTughan: i'm just glad they fixed that slightly retarded disk defragmenter that shipped with vista

16:40 <FreeLarry58> wdsmia lol i know you have lots of projects over by far but limited here

16:40 <MTughan> Haven't actually used it yet.

16:41 <Tidus> MTughan: i have, it's quite speedy

16:41 * MTughan wishes the DVD reader on his laptop was faster

16:41 * FreeLarry58 hates defrag on vsta as cant see what its doing

16:42 <Tidus> FreeLarry58: that's what i'm glad they fixed. the win7 one at least gives you a progress bar and will defrag more than one disk at a time

16:42 <Tidus> MTughan: heh, i wish the same thing

16:42 <FreeLarry58> ahh use to only doing one disk at time but really missed the progress screen

16:43 <Tidus> it doesn't have the red/blue progress screen, but they were nice enough to give a percentage field at least

16:44 <FreeLarry58>

16:44 <Romulus> <> (at

16:45 <Soul_keeper>,news-3280.html   hahaha

16:45 <Romulus> <> (at

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16:49 <FreeLarry58> yes Soul_keeper - reaction to that story is mixed - yes the youngster did wrong by taking car keys.  but did the state do any better by taking all children from house?

16:50 <Tidus> FreeLarry58: also, defrag handles running multiple passes on its own until further passes wont reduce fragmentation any more

16:50 <FreeLarry58> that is a nice feature Tidus

16:51 <FreeLarry58> time to turn steak bbl

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17:08 <MTughan> PovAddict: You keep triggering XChat...

17:08 <PovAddict> why?

17:09 <MTughan> Because you keep joining, nick colliding, then renaming.

17:09 <PovAddict> I only succeded once at nick colliding (a minute ago)

17:09 <PovAddict> my previous attempt got me a connection timeout a minute later, and I never saw the "nick collision from services" message

17:10 <MTughan> It did kill the nick, and then you renamed.

17:10 <MTughan> Although that was the last time on IPv6... You're on IPv4 now.

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17:16 <MTughan> All right, got Bluetooth up, although it hasn't been tested yet.

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17:18 <MTughan> Yep, it works. Mouse is connected.

17:22 <MTughan> Huh... Even though I've had this laptop since mid-September or so, the battery still has gotten only 14 cycles.

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17:27 <Tidus> heh. i dont know how many cycles mine's been through

17:27 <Tidus> it's almost never unplugged.

17:28 <MTughan> I didn't know until I installed Lenovo's Power Manager tool.

17:28 <MTughan> This laptop has switchable graphics too, although I've never used it.

17:28 <MTughan> It was only supported on Vista, and this has only run XP and Fedora.

17:30 <Tidus> mine's just got the nvidia 7600

17:32 <Tidus> but your would probably require a restart to switch graphics

17:32 <MTughan> No, apparently it can switch on the fly.

17:32 <Tidus> that's what i like about the new macbook pro... to switch from the nvidis 9400 to the 9600 all you have to do is logout

17:32 <Tidus> or vice versa

17:32 <MTughan> I'm gonna give it a try later tonight.

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17:33 <MTughan> Just installing trackpad drivers now...

17:33 <Tidus> cool.

17:34 <MTughan> Hmm, let's try enabling switching graphics now...

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17:35 <MTughan> Maybe this is like Hybrid SLI.

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17:35 <MTughan> It's an Intel GMA4500 and a Radeon HD3470.

17:37 <MTughan> OS started in 640x480 (or something else small), installed drivers, and asked to restart. Doing so now...

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17:39 <xcamel> re-re-hi

17:39 <MTughan> Well, display looks just like it did on discrete alone... Good sign.

17:39 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

17:40 <Tidus> MTughan: nice

17:40 <MTughan> Both graphics adapters are shown in Device Manager. As to how to switch...

17:40 <Tidus> is there no hardware switch on it?

17:40 <MTughan> No.

17:41 <Tidus> like no Fn+ ?? key combo?

17:41 <MTughan> Both adapters are shown in GPU-Z, although I don't see if it says which is enabled...

17:41 <MTughan> Just to switch between external and internal monitors.

17:41 <Tidus> look in your screen resolution properties

17:41 <Tidus> that'll tell ya which one's 'hooked up'

17:42 <MTughan> "Mobile PC Display"

17:42 <Tidus> mobile pc display on ?

17:42 <MTughan> It's on the Intel Integrated.

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17:46 <xcamel> &wx FlinFlon

17:46 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

17:47 <xcamel> &wx Snow Lake

17:47 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: -13°F / -25°C | Humidity: 59% | Pressure: 30.43in / 1030hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 4:00 PM CST; Tonight - Clear. Wind up to 15 km/h. Low -34C(-29F). Extreme wind chill -45 overnight.; Wednesday - Sunny. Wind up to 15 km/h. High -25C(-13F). Extreme wind chill -46 in the morning. Wednesday night clear. Low -33C(-27F).; (1 more message)

17:47 <xcamel> &more

17:47 <Romulus> xcamel: Thursday - Sunny. High -18C(0F).;

17:47 <wdsmia> didnt know Snow lake was in Iowa :)

17:48 <MTughan> Gonna try restarting once more...

17:48 <xcamel> northern Manatoba

17:49 <MTughan> BTW, the standard way of booting Windows partitions with GRUB works with Windows 7. It was something like "chainloader +1".

17:50 <Tidus> cool

17:50 <Tidus> worked with vista too

17:50 <Tidus> rootnoverify (hd0,0)

17:50 <Tidus> chainloader +1

17:50 <MTughan> That's it.

17:51 <xcamel> it's in the grub manpages

17:54 <CoderForLife> re-hi

17:54 <xcamel> 'lo Don

17:55 <Tidus> hi don

17:55 <xcamel> hope you have your woolies and muckluks

17:55 <CoderForLife> we

17:55 <CoderForLife> 're about to find the edge of the table

17:55 <xcamel> and filled your gas tank tonight

17:56 <CoderForLife> gas tank gets filled every Saturday morning

17:56 <xcamel> you're gonna wish you hadn't waited..

17:57 <CoderForLife> the tank is nearly full - I have driven 28 miles since fill-up

17:57 <CoderForLife> it's only miles to w@#%

17:57 <CoderForLife> er 7

17:58 <CoderForLife> so what's your dire forecast?

18:00 <CoderForLife> I'll ask Rommie

18:00 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

18:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 22.6F / -5.2C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.08in / 1018.5hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 2.9mph / 4.7km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Scattered flurries until early morning...then a chance of snow late. Lows 10 to 15. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph...becoming light southwest winds after midnight. Chance of snow 50 (2 more messages)

18:00 <CoderForLife> &more

18:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent.; Wednesday - Snow likely. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Highs in the upper 20s. South winds 10 to 15 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Wednesday Night - Cloudy. Snow likely in the evening...then a chance of snow after midnight. Total snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches possible. Lows 5 to 10 above. Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph. Chance of snow 70 (1 more message)

18:02 <CoderForLife> &more

18:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: percent. Wind chill as low as 10 below after midnight.;

18:03 <Tidus> well i'm impressed with windows 7's stability, even at this early beta stage

18:03 <CoderForLife> cool - I need to install it, somewhere...

18:04 <Tidus> i've had this machine flagged for the past 24 hours and not a single glitch yet

18:04 <CoderForLife> you been using it for "normal activities"?

18:04 <Tidus> yep

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18:04 <CoderForLife> any gaming?

18:04 <Tidus> i've been subjecting it to standard production load and gaming

18:05 <CoderForLife> how's the annoying security pop-ups?

18:05 <Tidus> less than vista

18:05 <Tidus> by default even

18:05 <Tidus> but its control is more granular... there's 4 steps now instead of on/off

18:05 <CoderForLife> well that wan't hard to beat - everything was a pop-up in vista, so it seemed

18:06 <CoderForLife> that was my A-number-One gripe

18:06 <Tidus> on 7 you can set it to ignore if you attempt to change system settings (ie no popup) but pop one up if a program tries, for example

18:06 <CoderForLife> it cried wolf too often

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18:07 <Tidus> right now mine's set to notify only but don't block desktop when i change system settings

18:07 <Tidus> if a program tries it'll still block desktop and request allow/deny

18:11 <CoderForLife> well - imho - less is more

18:12 <Tidus> but yeah, i've been subjecting windows 7 to my standard workload

18:12 <Tidus> handles it aptly, and remains more responsive than vista when the machine's flaggintout

18:12 <Tidus> flagging out *

18:13 <CoderForLife> thx for the early report

18:13 <CoderForLife> 32 or 84 bit?

18:13 <MTughan> Yeah, it's faster than Vista.

18:13 <MTughan> 84-bit, lol

18:13 <Tidus> rofl84

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18:13 <Tidus> i'm on 32, MTughan's on 64

18:13 * CoderForLife looks at his keyboard

18:13 <MTughan> &math 2 ** 64

18:13 <Romulus> MTughan: 18446744073709551616

18:13 <MTughan> &math 2 ** 84

18:13 <Romulus> MTughan: 19342813113834066795298816

18:13 <Tidus> and i upgraded from vista

18:13 <Tidus> MTughan did a clean install

18:13 <CoderForLife> who put those keys there?

18:14 <MTughan> I've done two clean installs of 64-bit 7 now.

18:14 <Tidus> someone change your keys around, don?

18:14 <CoderForLife> I've got to pick a victim box

18:14 <Tidus> MTughan's done two clean installs of 7, and i upgraded directly from vista sp1

18:15 <Tidus> went flawless except for one program snafu and a HAL issue

18:15 <CoderForLife> did I read that there will be no upgrade to final Win 7 from beta?

18:15 <MTughan> Not as I know.

18:17 <Tidus> CoderForLife: and one thing you'll be glad to hear... ram use in 7 is about 20% less (in my experience) under identical loads as vista

18:18 <CoderForLife> Win 7 = Vista 3.0

18:18 <MTughan> You mean Vista 2.0?

18:18 <CoderForLife> takes MS 3 times to get anything right

18:18 <MTughan> Which was the second time?

18:18 <Tidus> vista beta :P

18:19 <CoderForLife> heh

18:19 <MTughan> Ah...

18:19 <Tidus> i really need a second monitor...

18:19 <Soul_keeper> are you sure they've gotten it right tho ?

18:19 <CoderForLife> if it "works" and is barely acceptable, then it's version 3.0

18:19 <Tidus> that would have been vista.

18:19 <CoderForLife> DOS 3, Windows 3

18:19 <Tidus> works and barely acceptable

18:20 <CoderForLife> Vista didn't reach that level for me

18:20 <Tidus> i consider win7 the "3.1" if its time

18:20 <Tidus> s/if/of/

18:20 <Soul_keeper> if you pay them 300 bucks for it, and think you're getting a good deal, then it's 3.0 :)

18:20 <CoderForLife> heh

18:20 <CoderForLife> I had to dis-recommend Vista at w@#%

18:21 <Soul_keeper> i got linux computers that i havn't rebooted since last time they released a vista

18:21 <CoderForLife> the support burden would be too high

18:21 <CoderForLife> ditto Soul_keeper

18:22 <CoderForLife> time to go talk to the wife

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18:22 * KathrynM yawns

18:22 <CoderForLife> I need to do that every week or so

18:22 <Soul_keeper> :)

18:22 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM

18:22 <Tidus> hopefully more often than 'every week or so'

18:22 <Tidus> hi KathrynM :)

18:23 <KathrynM> moanin all

18:23 <CoderForLife> I need to go try out my new laptop "caddy"

18:24 <MTughan> Ah, there it is... Tidus: The power manager for the laptop has an option now, "Switchable Graphics". :D

18:24 <Tidus> nice

18:24 <MTughan> Attempting to switch now...

18:25 <MTughan> And no go... :(

18:25 <Tidus> as i said, probably requires a restart

18:25 <MTughan> It says that some high-graphics programs can stop it. I wonder if Windows would do that...

18:25 <Tidus> try temporarily disabling aero

18:25 <CoderForLife> here's what I bought, to be able to use the laptop while in front of the TV

18:25 <Romulus> <> (at

18:26 <MTughan> Yep, that was my thought.

18:26 <Tidus> CoderForLife: nice

18:26 <CoderForLife> yeah, it's pretty sturdy

18:26 <Tidus> i'm using an old metal chair lol

18:27 <KathrynM> nice

18:27 <MTughan> Hmm, seems to have frozen the laptop...

18:27 <CoderForLife> I'm going down now to try it out.  I was trying to use the laptop on the coffee table all hunched over

18:27 <CoderForLife> yeow

18:27 <KathrynM> ouch

18:27 <KathrynM> painful

18:28 <CoderForLife> mm-hmm

18:28 <CoderForLife> this should be better = more Coding

18:28 <CoderForLife> ttfn

18:28 <xcamel> put it outside - it'll be frozen solid..

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18:34 <xcamel> &wx Resolute

18:34 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: -31°F / -35°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 30.01in / 1016hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM CST; Tonight - A few clouds. Wind becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) early this evening. Low -36C(-33F). Wind chill -51.; Wednesday - Cloudy periods. Wind northwest 20 km/h (12 mph). High -27C(-17F). Wind chill -46. Wednesday (1 more message)

18:36 <xcamel> &wx Keno City

18:36 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 40F / 4C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.58in / 1036hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 15 to 25. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

18:37 <xcamel> &wx Keno City Yukon

18:37 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 40F / 4C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.58in / 1036hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows 15 to 25. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Areas of fog in the morning. Highs in the mid 40s to lower 50s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Wednesday Night - Mostly (1 more message)

18:40 <MTughan> &wx Alert, Nunavut

18:40 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: -13°F / -25°C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.47in / 998hPa | Conditions: Blowing Snow | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 29mph / 46km/h | Updated: 8:00 AM MST; Chance of Snow. High:-16 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-18 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-12 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-15 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-13 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-18 F.;

18:41 <MTughan> Hmm, thought it'd be colder there.

18:43 <MTughan> Well, changing the graphics seems to do something, but it always comes back on the integrated... Just gonna switch back to discrete only. It's low power enough that I can get 6+ hours out of the discrete with this battery.

18:44 <xcamel> Nunners are having a heat wave

18:45 <Tidus> heh, lucky you. I get a tick under 2 hrs out of this laptop

18:45 <xcamel> find something on the west side of lower hudson bay...

18:45 <Tidus> and that's with the power profile set on "maximum battery"

18:45 <MTughan> I upgraded the battery. Standard was 4-cell I think. $50, and it's up to 9-cell.

18:46 <Tidus> mine's got a 98watthr battery in it

18:46 <MTughan> Let me see if I can find my stats...

18:46 <MTughan> 85WHr apparently.

18:47 <MTughan> Which is slightly above design capacity.

18:47 <Tidus> mine's 98WHr

18:48 <Tidus> but only 2hrs life

18:48 <MTughan> I saw. So I guess my machine just has better power consumption,.

18:48 <Tidus> and that's with full power management enabled

18:48 <Tidus> screen brightness all the way down, agressive hdd management

18:48 <MTughan> What size screen?

18:48 <Tidus> 17

18:48 <MTughan> That'd make some difference... 14.

18:48 <Tidus> my old 14.1 dell would eek out 4 hrs

18:49 <MTughan> Possibly the graphics have gotten more power efficient too.

18:49 <Tidus> when on battery my graphics downclock a LOT

18:49 <Tidus> from 400 ramdac and 380 mem to 100/100

18:50 <MTughan> What graphics did you say you had? GeForce 7600?

18:50 <Tidus> yah

18:50 <MTughan> Hmm, no power stats on Wikipedia anyway...

18:51 <Tidus>     nVIDIA ForceWare Clocks:

18:51 <Tidus>       Level #1                                          GPU: 100 MHz, Memory: 135 MHz

18:52 <Tidus>       Level #2                                          GPU: 200 MHz, Memory: 200 MHz

18:52 <Tidus>       Level #3                                          GPU: 450 MHz, Memory: 300 MHz

18:52 <Tidus>       Level #4                                          GPU: 450 MHz, Memory: 380 MHz

18:52 <Tidus> small flood, sorry

18:52 <MTughan> One thing that could help too... This is 55nm, yours is 90nm. Although I don't think it'd create that much difference...

18:52 <MTughan> Mine is at 680/800, which is maxed ATM.

18:54 <Tidus> mine's PCI-e x16, with link state power management disabled on ac, enabled on max battery life unplugged

18:54 <MTughan> Unplugged, it scales down to 148/202.

18:55 <MTughan> When plugged in and unused, scales to 337/396.

18:56 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm going to dinner... bbl

18:56 <Tidus> k

18:56 <Tidus> i'm gonna unplug later and see how long it'll go

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19:00 <Tidus> i have it set to full aggressive on battery

19:01 <Tidus> lock cpu back to 1ghz, disable scaling up

19:01 <Tidus> screen brightness all the way down, disabled gpu scale up

19:05 <Tidus> i still haven't seen one that could best one i sold in college...

19:05 <Tidus> it was an older ibm, had a 15" 1400x1050 screen, older pentium-m architecture at 1.5ghz

19:05 <Tidus> unplug it with aggressive battery management and it'd give ya 8 hrs with the wifi on

19:17 <xcamel> national auto industry roundtable on radio tonight (WJR online also)

19:19 <Tidus> MTughan: i know one thing for certain... my next notebook is gonna be something a little bit smaller

19:19 <Tidus> this thing's a pain to travel with

19:19 * Tidus wishes he'da kept his dell...

19:19 <Tank_Master> hey! cool, win7's wordpad can read in Office Open XML .docx and OpenDocument .odt files

19:20 <Tidus> yeah and they made it a slightly more featured program while they were at it

19:20 <Tank_Master> someone would proble sew them if they did

19:21 <Tank_Master> personally Id like a disk with amny more of MS's app on it and you pick and choose which ones to install.

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19:54 <Jacolyte> uhm.. how do I register to use BOINC? I don't see any registration links anywhere

19:55 <Tank_Master> use how?

19:55 <Tank_Master> you download the BOINC software, install it, then attach a project

19:55 <FreeLarry58> register? nevr heard of that - have to get account for each project

19:55 <xcamel> you register projects, not boinc itself..

19:56 <Tank_Master> in teh attach project wizzerd, there will be a selection of a lot of project you can work on

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19:56 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:56 <Tank_Master> efc!

19:56 <efc> hey

19:57 <Jacolyte> I want to do Rosetta@home, and I don't see a registration link there either

19:57 <FreeLarry58> new user or existing account - check under tools attach to project

19:58 <Jacolyte> I'm not using a GUI :/

19:58 <Tank_Master> aaahhhhh

19:58 <Jacolyte> I'm running this on my toy server that I'm SSH'd into

19:58 <FreeLarry58> ahh beyound me

19:58 <Tank_Master> theres the prob :P

19:58 <Jacolyte> T_T

19:58 <Tank_Master> your looking for the command to enter to attach a peoject

19:58 <Jacolyte> mmh... I believe I did that

19:58 <Jacolyte> but...

19:59 <Jacolyte> when I do: boinc_client --show_projects

19:59 <Jacolyte> there's no projects listed

19:59 <Tank_Master> I dont think you can create an account from commant line, youll have to do that from the web site

20:00 <Jacolyte> I see no links T_T

20:01 <Jacolyte> I'm baffled as to why Berkeley would release such software that leaves command line users in the dark

20:01 <Tank_Master> you have to manually do it, just a sec

20:01 <Jacolyte> !

20:01 <Tank_Master> commandline is oldskool, obsolete almost

20:02 <Jacolyte> I hope you're talking about Berkeley's command line tools... and not the command line in general

20:02 <Jacolyte> :/

20:02 <Tank_Master> :)

20:03 <Jacolyte> it may be obsolete for average home users... but it is far from obsolete for power users

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20:03 <Tank_Master>

20:03 <Romulus> <> (at

20:04 <Tank_Master> create an account from there

20:04 <Jacolyte> woohoo

20:04 <Tank_Master> sorry it took so long, my normal way of getting that info doesnt seem to work any more

20:05 <Jacolyte> how come it's so hard to find on the main page?

20:05 <Tidus> because they assume you're using the gui

20:05 <Tidus> which'll lead you through project registration as you attach

20:05 <Tank_Master> its not on the main page

20:05 <Jacolyte> well, /through/ the main page

20:05 <Tank_Master> some other peojects remove the links to

20:06 <Tank_Master> it might be a db access security thing

20:06 <Tank_Master> I dunno

20:07 <zombie67> well crap

20:07 <Tank_Master> what?

20:07 <Tank_Master> wud you do now?

20:07 <zombie67> I lost one of my PDs

20:08 <Tank_Master> o.0?

20:08 <Tank_Master> forget where you stashed it?

20:08 <Tank_Master> :P

20:08 <zombie67> had to turn it off (reroute the power cord), and now it won't turn on again

20:08 <Tank_Master> not good

20:08 <Tidus> bad power supply?

20:08 <zombie67> fiddled with all the connections

20:08 <zombie67> either a bad PSU or switch

20:08 <Tank_Master> reset the bios jumper?

20:09 <zombie67> good idea, I'll try that tomorrow

20:09 <zombie67> tried everything I could think of

20:09 <Tank_Master> sometimes a mobo wont turn back on when it detects a short

20:09 <Tank_Master> only way to clear that is to reset the bios

20:09 <zombie67> it was tied for first place, fastest PD

20:10 <zombie67> 3.4ghz

20:10 <Tank_Master> bummer

20:10 <Tank_Master> that hurts

20:10 <Tidus> i've retired almost all of my netburst machines

20:10 <Tidus> only one left still running is this 2.53 celeron

20:10 <zombie67> still, probably not worth swapping out the CPU with my slowest, 3.2ghz

20:10 <Tank_Master> no, probably not

20:10 <zombie67> these are PDs

20:11 <zombie67> it was my fav too.

20:11 <Tidus> pentium-D ?

20:11 <zombie67> a super compact Dell

20:11 <Tidus> just a pair of p4 prescotts slapped on the same die

20:11 <zombie67> tidus:  yes

20:11 <zombie67> about the size of two stacked medium pizza boxes

20:12 <zombie67> probably pulled the least amount of power of all the PD boxes

20:12 <Tidus> only netburst machine i have anymore is the 2.53 celeron

20:12 <Tidus> only other intel i have is this core 2 laptop

20:13 <Tidus> none of the others are running at the moment but they're all amd

20:13 <Tidus> the other 2? i think?

20:13 <Tank_Master> amd?!?

20:13 <Romulus> It has been said that amd is saying 8 core cpu's next year, Tank_Master

20:13 <Tank_Master> stfu rommie

20:13 * Tank_Master pushes Romulus into a crevasse

20:13 <zombie67> anyway, TM, if I can't get it going, I will have a PD 3.4ghz and 2gb DDR2 RAM surplus.

20:14 <Tank_Master> and rommie, you tellin me not til 2010?

20:14 <Tank_Master> works for me :)

20:14 <Tank_Master> parts still sell

20:15 <zombie67> you have any use for them?

20:15 <Tank_Master> yeah

20:15 <Jacolyte> Authorization failure: -155

20:15 <Jacolyte> :/

20:15 <zombie67> okay.  oh, and I will also tear out the 80gb HD

20:16 <Tank_Master> that will me handy for a cluster comp

20:16 <Tank_Master> be *

20:16 <zombie67> ERR_NOT_IMPLEMENTED -150

20:16 <zombie67> BOINC encountered a system call to memory that wasn't designed for this platform.

20:16 <zombie67> Use the correct version of BOINC for your CPU and operating system.

20:16 <zombie67> oh, 155

20:17 <zombie67> RR_AUTHENTICATOR -155

20:17 <zombie67> The scheduler request host ID number doesn't match with the authenticator.

20:17 <zombie67> You are missing your authenticator key. Detach from and re-attach to the project.

20:20 <Jacolyte> "boinc_cmd --project_attach URL auth          attach to project"

20:20 <Jacolyte> I know what URL is... what would auth be?

20:21 <Jacolyte> I tried username, email, etc

20:21 <Jacolyte> but I still get that -155 error

20:21 <Tank_Master> the auth is a key that should be downloaded wen the client attaches to the project for the first time

20:21 <Tank_Master> but the client needs to support that function

20:21 <Jacolyte> ehh..

20:21 <Jacolyte> crap

20:21 <Tank_Master> I dont know how up to date they keep their command line versions

20:23 <Jacolyte> I'll just get this thing setup from my windows machine

20:23 <Jacolyte> -_-

20:25 <Tank_Master> :)

20:26 <Soul_keeper> is this the windows 7 channel now ?

20:27 <Jacolyte> "brb

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20:28 <zombie67> tm, what do you think of W7?

20:32 <MTughan> Dunno about TM, but I'm liking it.

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20:34 <Tidus> zombie67: i'm likin it too

20:34 <Tank_Master> I like it to

20:35 <Tank_Master> the new beta 1 has added a few new thing that will come in handy

20:35 <MTughan> Did you install it anywhere?

20:35 <Tidus> Tank_Master: what few new things?

20:36 <Tank_Master>

20:36 <Romulus> <> (at

20:36 <Tank_Master> I have the beta 1 on all my comps now

20:38 <Soul_keeper> i'm sorry

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20:39 <zombie67> ugh....XP updates....and I am running both CELS and AQUA....neither checkpoint

20:42 <Tidus> Tank_Master: already figured out most of those

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20:44 <zombie67> is it really new?  Or just updated GUI for vista?

20:46 <Tidus> zombie67: it's quite a major overhaul

20:46 <Tidus> Tank_Master: did you figure out the 'in' joke on the default background?

20:47 <MTughan> What, the fish referred to as "Betta"? :P

20:47 <Tidus> yeah

20:47 <Tidus> pronounced "BETA"

20:48 <zombie67> major in what way?

20:48 <MTughan> Speed, memory footprint, usability.

20:48 <zombie67> did they finally add back all the things removed from Vista due to schedule?

20:48 <MTughan> Probably a couple others, but those are the big ones.

20:48 <Tidus> winfs is still gone

20:48 <zombie67> new file system?

20:48 <MTughan> Disk Defragmenter is back.

20:49 <Tidus> MTughan: do you use msn messenger?

20:49 <MTughan> No.

20:49 <Tidus> ok.

20:49 <zombie67> did they finally get rid of the...what's it called...single massive file for settings?

20:49 <Tidus> no the registry is still there

20:49 <zombie67> ugh

20:49 <zombie67> so how is this better then?

20:49 <MTughan> I think too many applications depend on the registry to abolish it.

20:50 <Tidus> MTughan: i figured out how to get WL Messenger to not appear first and foremost on the taskbar

20:50 <Tidus> simply set it to run in 'vista compatibility' mode... it'll move itself back to the tray

20:50 <MTughan> lol

20:50 <zombie67> 1st real question:  How well does BOINC run  on it?

20:51 <MTughan> Seems to do well. Added 500MFLOPS to my benchmarks.

20:51 <MTughan> Win7:

20:51 <Romulus> <> (at

20:51 <MTughan> Vista:

20:51 <Romulus> <> (at

20:52 <MTughan> Hey, finally a use for Firefox's "drag tab off to make a new window" and Aero Snap... :P

20:54 <Tidus> lol

20:56 <zombie67> tm:  the bios jumper....that the one near the battery?

20:56 <Tidus> zombie67: it's usually labelled JP1

20:58 <zombie67> no JP1

20:58 <zombie67> but I see only the one jumper

20:58 <MTughan> What, the CMOS clear jumper?

20:58 <zombie67> wouldn't pulling the battery do the same?

20:58 <Tidus> zombie67: just unplug the machine and pull the battery

21:02 <zombie67> no love

21:06 <zombie67> worth $40 to try replacing it?

21:06 <zombie67>

21:06 <Romulus> <> (at

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21:15 <zombie67> I'm gonna do it

21:16 <PovAddict> nice knowing you?

21:18 <Tidus> MTughan: i've made my power management settings even more aggressive

21:18 <Tidus> MTughan: on battery, it now locks cpu and gpu speeds to minimal

21:18 <MTughan> Cool.

21:19 <MTughan> Just downloading a C++ compiler for Windows ATM.

21:19 <zombie67> bought

21:19 <Tidus> and i switch screen color depth to 16 bit, which also disables aero, which theoretically reduces cpu usage

21:19 <Tidus> and i also set cooling mode to passive, which'll prefer slowing the cpu over turning the fan on

21:20 <MTughan> Always a good thing.

21:20 <Tidus> disabled aero also equates to less gpu usage

21:20 <Tidus> hoping i can eek out a bit more than 2 hrs with those settnigs

21:21 <MTughan> lol... Huge effort, small return.

21:21 <PovAddict> <zombie67> wouldn't pulling the battery do the same?

21:21 <PovAddict> no, capacitors would keep the cmos settings

21:21 <MTughan> How the heck did you get that line?

21:21 <PovAddict> you need to take battery off *and* use the jumper

21:22 <Tidus> MTughan: what line?

21:22 <PovAddict> MTughan: there's that nice link in the channel topic

21:22 <Tidus> and any return is worth the effort

21:22 <MTughan> Oh yeah, that... :P

21:23 <MTughan> PovAddict: For a C++ course we have, we're starting out with Dev-C++ and MinGW. :D

21:23 <PovAddict> I started with Dev-C++!

21:23 <PovAddict> cool IDE

21:24 <PovAddict> you'll eventually get used to quickly closing the runtime error popup every time you do code completion :)

21:24 <MTughan> lol

21:24 <PovAddict> do you have Dev-C++ on your computer now?

21:24 <MTughan> Installing it now. That's what I was downloading.

21:25 <PovAddict> it has some sort of package manager built-in

21:25 <PovAddict> you can download libraries through it

21:25 <MTughan> Tools->Package Manager?

21:25 <PovAddict> yep

21:26 <PovAddict> I suggest you install Insight (a graphical debugger), it's way better than the debugging features built into the IDE itself

21:26 <PovAddict> actually, both are frontends to gdb :)

21:26 <MTughan> If it was there.

21:26 <MTughan> 9 packages listed, all of which seem to be installed already.

21:26 <PovAddict> oh well I have to go

21:26 <PovAddict> annoying parents and all...

21:26 <MTughan> Heh. Night.

21:27 <PovAddict> isn't there a button to update the package list?

21:27 <Tidus> MTughan: my cpu's capable of passively cooling at 1ghz :)

21:27 <PovAddict> maybe so much time passed since last dev-c++ version that the update server is down :D

21:27 <MTughan> Reload Database, but that didn't do anything.

21:28 <PovAddict> ah wait, I think package manager is exclusively to see what's already installed :)

21:28 <PovAddict> Tools, Check for updates/packages

21:28 <Tidus> MTughan: stays at 55C when downclocked to 1ghz and fan's off

21:28 <Tidus> under 100% load

21:28 <PovAddict> yeah package manager is like Windows's add/remove programs :)

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21:29 <PovAddict> you should see this

21:29 <MTughan> I found it, although not through the package manager.

21:29 <PovAddict> it's the menu item above "Package Manager"

21:29 <MTughan> No Insight.

21:30 <MTughan> Found SDL...

21:34 <PovAddict> what about the other server?

21:34 <MTughan> PlanetMirror was down, devpaks didn't have it.

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21:37 <PovAddict> should be in the main server

21:37 <PovAddict> Insight_Bin: GUI frontend for GDB. Very powerful.

21:37 <MTughan> is the one selected when the dialog comes up, and it says it can't connect.

21:38 <PovAddict> "Dev-C++ primary devpak server"

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21:38 <MTughan> "  Welcome to the newly relaunched PlanetMirror. We've updated our mirrors, improved the way we serve you files, and optimised our systems to give you the best and most up to date mirrors available! "

21:38 <MTughan> That might be why... :P

21:39 <PovAddict> planetmirror mirrors thousands of things

21:39 <PovAddict> anyway, the primary server should be there...

21:39 <MTughan> All I have is and

21:40 <PovAddict>

21:40 <Romulus> <> (at

21:40 <MTughan> PlanetMirror gives: "Could not connect to remote site. The remote site might be down, or your connection to the Internet might not be working..."

21:41 <PovAddict> find and replace your mirrors.cfg with that one

21:41 <PovAddict> which I don't know why is not the bundled default

21:41 <MTughan> Yeah, find it...

21:42 <Tidus> MTughan: preliminary tests with those power management settings are looking nice

21:42 <Tidus> 30 minutes unplugged with cpu pegged and the dvd drive spinning only dropped it 23%

21:44 <MTughan> PovAddict: The only mirrors.cfg file on my computer is the one I downloaded.

21:45 <PovAddict> :/

21:45 <PovAddict> oh well, sleep ->

21:45 <zombie67> [18:21]  <PovAddict> <zombie67> wouldn't pulling the battery do the same?

21:45 <zombie67> wait!

21:45 <MTughan> lol...

21:45 * PovAddict hits breaks

21:45 <zombie67> how long do I need to pull the jumper?

21:46 <zombie67> I assume caps need time to discharge?

21:46 <Tidus> 30 seconds should do it

21:46 <PovAddict> didn't I say this already? ok I'll say it again:

21:46 <Tank_Master> 30 day aught to do it

21:46 <Tidus> pull battery and move jumper into the clear position, leave it for 30 seconds

21:46 <PovAddict> hardware is the thing that makes noise next to me while I play with software

21:46 <zombie67> clear position??

21:46 <Tidus> the cmos reset jumper is a 3 pin jumper

21:47 <MTughan> There's three pins, the jumper is on two? Move the jumper to the other two, that's the clear position.

21:47 <Tidus> it's normally on pins 1 and 2 for normal operation

21:47 <Tank_Master> pulling the battery will also reset everything

21:47 <Tidus> pins 2 and 3 for clear

21:47 <Tank_Master> dont need to do both

21:47 <zombie67> bah!

21:47 <zombie67> nothing is labeled!

21:47 <Tank_Master> just putt the battery

21:47 <Tank_Master> pull*

21:47 <zombie67> i don;t know if I even have the right jumper

21:47 <Tank_Master> esh

21:47 <zombie67> I already did that

21:47 <MTughan> What MB model di tou have?

21:47 <MTughan> do you*

21:48 <Tank_Master> dontplay with jumpers if you dont know that they do

21:48 <zombie67> POV says that is not sufficient

21:48 <Tank_Master> from my experence it is

21:48 <zombie67> caps act like batteries

21:49 <Tidus> most capacitors on motherboards aren't the slow discharge type found in say a vcr

21:49 <PovAddict> well the jumper is there for a *reason*

21:49 <PovAddict> why would they put a jumper if taking the battery off for a second was enough?

21:49 <Tidus> it's been my experience that simply unplugging the machine and yanking the battery for a few minutes does the trick

21:49 <Tidus> especially when i can't *find* the jumper

21:49 <Tank_Master> so you dont have to pull the battery

21:50 <MTughan> This conversation is so convoluted at this point...

21:50 <Tank_Master> clearing the jumper usually reserts eertying, but keeps the system time

21:50 <Tank_Master> pulling the battery will also reset the clost

21:50 <Tank_Master> clock*

21:50 <Tank_Master> mt, I agree :P

21:51 <PovAddict> my C:\Dev-Cpp on the other copmuter (where I have it installed) seems... incomplete

21:51 <MTughan> PovAddict: Figured I'll just download the package manually. I see two Insights, binary and source. Presumably, I want source.

21:51 <MTughan> Binary, damn it!

21:51 <Tidus> lol

21:51 <PovAddict> MTughan: no, binary, unless you want to compile insight from source (it's giant btw)

21:51 <zombie67> none of it worked....i think it's clearly the PSU.

21:51 <Tidus> dyslexics are teople poo

21:51 <zombie67> thanks for the PSU ordered

21:51 <MTughan> I meant to say binary, but my fingers wouldn't listen to my head.

21:52 <PovAddict> hmm this folder seems incomplete as if I had uninstalled dev-c++ but left the what the installer didn't add in first place

21:52 <MTughan> Tidus: Thanks, but I'm not dyslexic.

21:52 <PovAddict> like, code I wrote, or devpaks I installed

21:52 <PovAddict> but, say, devcpp.exe is not there

21:53 <Tidus> MTughan: neither am i, i just suffer from the 'fingers wont listen' syndrome too

21:53 <MTughan> Heh.

21:53 <MTughan> Anyway, Insight installed.

21:53 <Tidus> so i figured it'd be funny to say that

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21:54 <zombie67> impfarm has been down for a while

21:55 <PovAddict> really?

21:55 <MTughan> Oh, and our C++ class... According to our teacher, some people have been told to write while loops like "while(1) { if(x < 5) break; ... }" rather than "while (x >= 5) { ... }"

21:55 <PovAddict> MTughan: wtf

21:55 <MTughan> He said we'll lose marks on a test if we write that.

21:56 <Tidus> bad programming right there...

21:56 <MTughan> They're equivalent, sure. Doesn't help though.

21:56 <zombie67> really....try it yourself

21:56 <zombie67>

21:57 <PovAddict> "begin: ... if (x >= 5) goto begin;" is equivalent too

21:57 <PovAddict> zombie67: I did, and I tried to connect to the server through ssh too

21:57 <MTughan> Well, yeah.

21:57 <MTughan> He strongly discourages gotos. Very strongly.

21:57 <MTughan> Said in his 25+ years of programming, he's only used a goto once.

21:58 <PovAddict> nicolas@ubuntu ~/src/boinc> grep goto **.cpp | wc -l

21:58 <PovAddict> 109

21:58 <MTughan> >_>

21:58 <PovAddict> :D

21:58 <PovAddict> fail!

21:58 <PovAddict> anyway I'm outta here

21:59 <PovAddict> hope your teacher teaches C++

21:59 <MTughan> He's teaching C ATM.

21:59 <PovAddict> and not C with s/printf/cout/

21:59 <PovAddict> ah

22:00 <MTughan> I think just to get us started with the memory model. Most people only have Python under their belt and are just starting Java, let along C++.

22:00 <MTughan> alone*

22:00 <PovAddict> well the bad thing is pretending to teach C++ and teaching C instead :) (I read a horror story of a C++ teacher that didn't mention classes (as in OOP) in the whole course)

22:00 <MTughan> Ouch...

22:01 <MTughan> Oh, and my Java teacher likes Smalltalk... :P

22:01 <PovAddict> some bad books are like that too

22:01 <Tank_Master> can anyone guess why MS put the fish as the default background in win7?

22:01 <Tidus> Tank_Master: i know

22:01 <MTughan> Are you wondering or testing people?

22:01 <PovAddict> smells?

22:01 <Tidus> Tank_Master: the fish is a betta fish, prounounced "BETA"

22:01 <MTughan> Because I know too...

22:02 <Tank_Master> yep :)

22:02 <xcamel> nytol..

22:02 <MTughan> Night Jay.

22:02 * PovAddict slaps Tank_Master with a win7 fish

22:02 <Tank_Master> LOL

22:02 <PovAddict> GONE ffs

22:02 <MTughan> What about Win7 with a fish shell?

22:02 <MTughan> PovAddict uses that.

22:02 * Tank_Master sends hords of Win 7 fishes after PovAddict

22:02 <MTughan> The fish shell, that is.

22:03 * MTughan has already replaced the backgrounds with his own.

22:03 * Tidus upgraded from vista, so never had to look at the default.

22:03 * efc remembers the windows 95 Plus fish tank

22:04 <MTughan> It's not a bad picture actually. Just not my type.

22:04 <Tidus> anybody in here remember when HP was pushing mopy?

22:04 <Tank_Master> :)

22:05 * efc wouldn't mind another fish screensaver on this 24" ..

22:05 <MTughan> Cool, the Betta fish wallpaper is widescreen... 1920x1200.

22:06 <MTughan> C:\Windows\Web\Wallpaper\img24.jpg

22:07 <MTughan> img11.jpg is very nice too.

22:07 <efc> that 95 computer was the first one I had with real sound. The fish would swim, there'd be a bubble sound, then it would lock up..

22:07 <Tidus> MTughan: did you know those wallpapers are only valid for those of us in US and canada?

22:07 <Tidus> the installer changes those depending on where you select your locatin

22:08 <MTughan> Not in that location.

22:08 <Tidus> s/locatin/location/

22:08 <Tank_Master> just relized they have a pic from Creater Lake

22:08 <Tank_Master> in the win7 beta backgrounds

22:08 <MTughan> That's C:\Windows\Globalization\<something else>.

22:08 <Tidus> oh yeah... forgot, different location

22:08 <Tidus> c:\Windows\Globalization\MCT

22:09 <MTughan> Yep.

22:09 <Tidus> hidden folder

22:09 <MTughan> More than hidden, because I've configured Explorer to show hidden files. I think it's marked a system file.

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22:09 <MTughan> Split!

22:10 <Tidus> C:\Windows\Globalization\MCT\MCT-AU\Wallpaper\AU-wp1.jpg

22:10 <Tidus> i like that one

22:11 <Tidus> AU CA and ZA are the same images

22:11 <Tidus> only GB and US got their own

22:11 <MTughan> They said some of the contries have just placeholders for now.

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22:12 <MTughan> wp6.jpg is apparently in Washington state, so they really are just placeholders.

22:12 <MTughan> 2 in Spain, 3 in New Zealand, 4 in Scotland.

22:13 <MTughan> No info for 1, and 5 == 2.

22:13 <Tidus> 1 is just a sunset, lol

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22:14 <Tidus> and never noticed 2 and 5 were the same

22:14 <MTughan> I didn't before either, 'til I looked at their descriptions.

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22:14 <MTughan> Anyway, I have to be off for a bit. bbl

22:15 <Tidus> "So often, we live our life without thinking. We just do things because we're born in a certain environment and people are expecting certain things from you. Sometimes its important to look within yourself and discover what really makes you happy and what's important to you."[3] - Robert Westerholt

22:15 <Tank_Master> tc MT

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22:52 <MTughan> brb

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22:52 <Tank_Master> gl

23:00 <MTughan> Had to restart XChat for a new font.

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23:05 <Tidus> holy crap....

23:05 <Romulus> Title: CPU-Z Validator 3.0 (at

23:07 <zombie67> need a free RAR app for XP

23:08 <Soul_keeper> impressive Tidus

23:10 <zombie67> no one?

23:10 <Romulus> It has been said that no one is irreplaceable, zombie67

23:11 <jackygrahamez> &wx 20011

23:11 <Romulus> jackygrahamez: Temperature: 38.9F / 3.8C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 29.87in / 1011.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 15.0mph / 24.1km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly cloudy late this evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows in the lower 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. (1 more message)

23:13 <MTughan> zombie67: Try 7-zip.

23:13 <zombie67> IE blows up when I try to dl it

23:13 <zombie67> f'ing windows

23:13 <MTughan> So why are you using IE?

23:14 <MTughan> Tidus: Nice...

23:14 <zombie67> this is a dedicated cruncher

23:14 <MTughan> Hold on, I'll try to mirror it...

23:14 <zombie67> I am not going to tweak it to make it work

23:15 <zombie67> man, windows is messed up

23:15 <MTughan> About 30 seconds...

23:16 <MTughan> Holy crap, upload is slow today...

23:16 <MTughan>

23:16 <Romulus> <> (at

23:18 <MTughan> Ow... Worse than abysmal.

23:19 <Tidus> ROFL

23:19 <Tidus> better than mine

23:19 <MTughan> Max I've reached is 8000/8000. Normally around 6000-7000 apiece.

23:20 <MTughan> Problem is we only get 10Mbit Ethernet run to the rooms here.

23:20 <Tank_Master> bitchn fast d/l!

23:20 <MTughan> I know... :(

23:21 <MTughan> Upload's just a little slower than normal, but I have no frigging idea what's up with download speeds.

23:21 <Tidus> MTughan:

23:21 <Tidus> that's mine

23:22 <KathrynM> oh dear lord.  they kids upstairs are playing twinkle twinkle little star on those horrilble plastic recorders

23:22 <KathrynM> oh god, now Ode to Joy

23:22 * MTughan grits his teeth

23:22 * Tidus comforts, patpats KathrynM

23:22 <KathrynM> lol

23:22 <MTughan> At least you have a faster download than me... Think we could download Kathy out of there?

23:22 <Tank_Master> KM!

23:22 <Tidus> MTughan: maybe

23:22 <MTughan> KathrynM: How's your upload speed? :P

23:23 <KathrynM> dunno

23:23 <KathrynM> :)

23:23 <KathrynM> I'm at home.  I can hear them through the open window

23:23 <KathrynM> Which I'm now going to shut

23:24 <Tank_Master> :P

23:24 * KathrynM gathers up the stuff for her class' science project and heads back to w*@^

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23:25 <Tank_Master> sounds fun

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23:44 <MTughan> Hmm, I think I know why zombie wanted to extract a RAR on XP...

23:44 <Romulus> <> (at

23:48 <Tank_Master> just use winrar

23:49 <MTughan> Is it free?

23:49 <Tank_Master> yep

23:49 <Tank_Master> has it

23:49 <MTughan> Oh well. 7-zip can extract more anyway.

23:49 <Tank_Master> it probably works to

23:49 <MTughan> What, WinRAR or 7-zip?

23:49 <Tank_Master> both

23:50 <MTughan> Wouldn't surprise me.

23:52 <Tidus> afk for a bit

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