IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-01-17

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01:00 <Tidus> hooray for cycling the battery on a laptop...

01:00 <Tidus> this wont take long on this machine... lol... barely 20 minutes and it's used a quarter of its juice

01:43 <Tidus> so i've decided the battery on my laptop completely sucks

01:43 <Tidus> 1h2m of run, 21% remaining

01:43 <Tidus> full charge when i unplugged it

01:44 <MTughan> Heh. I can pull 5-6+ hours out of my battery, although my laptop may draw less than yours.

01:45 <Tidus> um yeah, it does

01:45 <Tidus> mine's a 98WHr battery

01:45 <MTughan> 85WHr.

01:45 <MTughan> 14" screen, 2.53GHz Penryn. I don't remember the chipset ATM.

01:46 <Tidus> 17" screen, 1.67ghz merom, intel i945pm chipset

01:46 <MTughan> Loading specs now...

01:49 <MTughan> Hmm, nice spec list Lenovo... It has integrated Intel 4500MHD graphics, but it doesn't list the chipset.

01:49 <Tidus> intel x45

01:49 <Tidus> i could tell ya that one

01:50 <MTughan> Hmm... IIRC, it's a G43.

01:50 <MTughan> GM45, my bad.

01:51 <Tidus> just gave me the 10% warning.

01:51 <Tidus> at 1h9m

01:52 <MTughan> The GM45 has a TDP of 12W.

01:52 <MTughan> Proc has a TDP of 35W. Neither are overclocked.

01:53 <MTughan> Looks like your process has the same TDP...

01:53 <Tidus> 1hr14m until auto-hibernate

01:54 <MTughan> Your laptop doesn't have integrated graphics it seems.

01:54 <Tidus> nope

01:54 <MTughan> The i945PM chipset has a TDP of 7W.

01:54 <Tidus> nvidia 7600-go is the graphics on it

01:54 <Tidus> which i locked to minimal speed

01:54 <MTughan> Weren't we comparing these laptops just one or two days ago? :P

01:54 <Tidus> yes we were

01:54 <Tidus> i can tell ya what the power sucks are

01:54 <Tidus> graphics

01:55 <Tidus> the fact it has 2 hard drives

01:55 <Tidus> and 17" screen

01:55 <MTughan> It was the 7600GO that told me.

01:55 <MTughan> I should do a test on this myself, but I'd have to do it overnight...

01:55 <Tidus> lol

01:55 <Tidus> mine dont take forever

01:55 <MTughan> And considering it's almost 2AM...

01:55 <Tidus> an hr 15 and i'm done

01:55 <MTughan> (I just finished watching Star Wars Ep4)

01:55 <Tidus> probably break 2hrs if the cpu wasn't pegged

01:56 <MTughan> Your chipset was released in Jan 2006... Makes your laptop at max three years old. Not too bad.

01:56 <Tidus> manufacture date was jan 07

01:56 <Tidus> so it's right at 2 yrs

01:57 <MTughan> Yep, the next set of chipsets weren't released until May 2007, so that's right in there.

01:57 * efc is on full P3 burn right now

01:57 <Tidus> mine's a centrino duo "napa" platform

01:57 <MTughan> Older southbridge though... ICH7 compared to ICH9.

01:58 <MTughan> efc: You're burning your P3?

01:58 <MTughan> Hmm, I wonder what my old motherboard had... My old machine was assembled in August 2004, and it was quite advanced for the time.

01:59 <MTughan> Well, except for the fact it used a socket 478 proc.

01:59 <MTughan> 775 was just being rolled out at the time IIRC.

02:00 <efc> two p3-600s

02:01 <efc> i didn't think i'd bother running them again, but its that or resistance heat

02:06 <MTughan> Nice... It was an Intel 875P with ICH5R.

02:07 <MTughan> Released in April 2003.

02:12 <MTughan>

02:12 <Romulus> <> (at

02:23 <Tidus> MTughan: found something broken on win7

02:23 <Tidus> USB selective suspend on battery...

02:23 <Tidus> it doesn't re-activate all the usb ports when you plug it back in

02:26 <Tidus> so i'm stuck using the touchpad until i restart

02:26 <Tidus> because it fails to see my mouse on any of the usb ports

02:26 <Tidus> keyboard works

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02:33 <MTughan> On the mailing list someone was asking about CUDA on Mac... I am so tempted to say "Oh, Apple actually included CUDA capable hardware in a machine?"

02:33 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

02:34 <MTughan> 'lo yoyo

02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

02:34 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 26.1°F / -3.3°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 4.1mph / 6.6km/h | Updated: 8:18 AM CET; Partly Cloudy. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.;

02:34 <MTughan> &wx YOW

02:34 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: -8°F / -22°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.37in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 2:00 AM EST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. Becoming cloudy near midnight with 40 percent chance of flurries overnight. Low -25C(-13F).; Saturday - Cloudy. 40 percent chance of flurries early in the morning. High -12C(10F). (1 more message)

02:34 <yoyo[RKN]> brrr

02:34 <MTughan> You've got it warm... :(

02:34 <MTughan> We hit -30C last night, glad that's gone.

02:35 <yoyo[RKN]> &airport YOW

02:35 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Ottawa - Hull, Canada

02:35 <MTughan> xcamel's getting about the same weather.

02:37 <efc> balmy here

02:38 <efc> 23.5 f

02:38 <Tidus> &weather 65647

02:38 <Romulus> Tidus: Temperature: 22.7F / -5.2C | Humidity: 74% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1026.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Mostly clear. Breezy...warmer. Lows in the lower 20s. South winds 10 to 15 mph in the late evening and early morning increasing to 15 to 25 mph during the predawn hours.; Saturday - Partly cloudy. Breezy. Highs in (1 more message)

02:38 <efc> &wx 30625

02:38 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 55% | Pressure: 30.49in / 1032hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Rest of Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 17. Light and variable winds shifting to the southwest after midnight.; Saturday - Mostly sunny in the morning then becoming partly sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. South winds 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday (1 more message)

02:39 <efc> &more

02:39 <Romulus> efc: Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the lower 30s. Light south winds.; Fire Weather Warning for Morgan County in effect until 9:00 PM EST on January 17, 2009;

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03:01 <MTughan>

03:01 <Romulus> <> (at

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03:30 <MTughan> O_O No way... I'm going to a software engineeing conference next week. One of the keynote speakers is Richard Stallman...

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03:57 <MTughan> Well, now I know the pains... Laptop screens really do suck for accurate color description. Even on my quickly calibrated 2 year old Samsung display, I can tell.

03:58 <KathrynM> MTughan, have you slept recently?

03:59 <MTughan> Not since yesterday. :)

03:59 <MTughan> I guess you noticed it's 4AM here?

03:59 <KathrynM> I did notice.

03:59 <MTughan> I'm tired.

04:00 <KathrynM> I wonder why

04:08 <MTughan> Whoa... The display on the laptop, despite still being very blue oriented, is reflecting red off the black keyboard...

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04:14 <MTughan> Well, I should try to get *some* sleep... Night.

04:15 <Tidus> seeya man

04:38 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:38 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 7.1F / -13.8C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028.0hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny until late afternoon...then becoming mostly cloudy. Highs in the lower 30s. South winds 15 to 20 mph. Wind chill values as low as 2 below.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow showers. (1 more message)

04:38 <CoderForLife> &more

04:38 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Lows in the mid 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Highs around 30. West winds around 10 mph.;

04:41 <Tidus> cold outside

05:00 <CoderForLife> indeed

05:12 <ELGono> morning dudes

05:13 <CoderForLife> hey ELGono

05:17 <ELGono> it's a relief when a 2 week project finally works ;)

05:17 <ELGono>

05:17 <Romulus> <> (at

05:22 <CoderForLife> there's nothing quite so satisfying as success

05:28 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

05:41 <CoderForLife> b

05:42 <ELGono> feels like sitting in royal albert hall

05:42 <ELGono> sounds just great

05:53 <CoderForLife> excellent

06:30 <CoderForLife> off to the store

08:08 <xcamel> 'lo

08:37 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:37 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: -3.5F / -19.7C | Humidity: 84% | Pressure: 30.58in / 1035.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs around 15. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation around an inch. Lows around 11. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Sunday - Snow in the (1 more message)

08:37 <xcamel> &more

08:37 <Romulus> xcamel: morning...then a chance of snow in the afternoon. Additional snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Cold with highs in the mid 20s. Southeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.;

08:47 <xcamel>

08:47 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 17 - IC 410 and NGC 1893 (at

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09:29 <xcamel> 2... 2 degrees... bwhahahah

09:29 <Hodapp> what?

09:29 <xcamel> the temp here

09:30 <xcamel>

09:30 <Romulus> <> (at

09:30 <xcamel> thank the count.

09:31 <xcamel> temps going up and then snow tomorrow...

09:35 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

09:35 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.06in / 1018hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 3:20 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Snow. High:41 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.;

09:36 <xcamel> 'lo elg

09:36 <xcamel> out of the deep freeze now?

09:38 <ELGono> yep the high pressure from russia has gone

09:38 <ELGono> well thats good as long as no gas comes from russia neither hehehe

09:39 <xcamel> still having that problem, eh?

09:42 <ELGono> yep no end in sight

09:44 <xcamel> if the environinnies had allowed the building of that LNG ship terminal...

09:46 <xcamel> obtw.. did you see my solar power monitor for the main store?

09:46 <xcamel> generating well now..

09:55 <xcamel> click on live sites, then curtis lumber

09:55 <Romulus> Title: SolrenView (at

10:12 <ELGono> We're sorry but your browser doesn't support frames.

10:12 <ELGono> i don't think so

10:12 <ELGono> ah noscript

10:13 <ELGono>

10:13 <Romulus> <> (at

10:14 <ELGono> thats yours, right?

10:25 <CoderForLife> brrr

10:25 <CoderForLife> back from the store

10:26 <CoderForLife> we are at a sweltering 15F

10:27 <CoderForLife> it didn't feel that way while trying to load groceries into the trunk (the boot, for you Euros)

10:31 <ELGono> learned booth in school ;)

10:31 <ELGono> both

10:35 <CoderForLife> lol

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10:52 <CoderForLife> biab

11:05 <xcamel> damn it's cold

11:05 <xcamel> like a big icecream headache without the icecream.

11:05 <CoderForLife> I not as much as you, but still cold

11:06 <xcamel> up to 6 now, but that 1/2 mile trip to get hay on the tractor...

11:06 <Hodapp> I sentence with no verb.

11:06 <xcamel> ...twice...

11:06 <CoderForLife> I took Tylenol when I got up

11:06 <Hodapp> I made tea.

11:07 <CoderForLife> miles traveled should also have a wind chill modifier

11:07 <CoderForLife> "feels like" miles

11:07 <xcamel> luckily now wind atm

11:08 <xcamel> check that.. no wind

11:08 <CoderForLife> a normal 1/2 mile trip is a 20 "feels like" mile trip

11:09 <CoderForLife> you're exhausted after 100 yards

11:09 <xcamel> overnight low was -9, which was 18 degrees warmer than yesterday

11:10 <CoderForLife> see - the news keeps getting better and better

11:10 <xcamel> warming up to snow tomorrow

11:10 <CoderForLife> see - the news.. oh..

11:11 <xcamel>

11:11 <Romulus> Title: Lledgerock Llamas Galway, NY 12074 Local Weather Conditions (at

11:11 <CoderForLife> look out - there's a big ugly orange thing stalking you

11:14 <xcamel> coming from your direction, it seems...

11:14 <CoderForLife> you're welcome

11:14 <xcamel> tomorrow should be fun - I need to go get feed...

11:15 <xcamel> tg there are people who will load the truck now, instead of having to do it myself...

11:16 <CoderForLife> indeed

11:16 <xcamel> they hired some good kids finally

11:19 <CoderForLife> what is this focus on Lincoln?

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11:21 <xcamel> i would be afraid it's some obsession with John Wilkes Booth

11:22 <CoderForLife> symmetries being what they are

11:26 <xcamel> that old sign at the amusement park...

11:26 <xcamel> "This Is A Dark Ride"

11:26 <CoderForLife> heh

11:29 <CoderForLife> Dutch canals frozen over for the first time in 12 years

11:29 <xcamel> I bet..

11:30 <xcamel> the Trafalgar square fountain froze up too..

11:31 <CoderForLife> global warming, ya know...

11:31 <xcamel> pffft...

11:32 <CoderForLife> is that the sound the theory makes when it goes up in smoke?

11:32 <xcamel> seems so..

11:32 <xcamel> algore is now "the dog on the porch" in the movie "Joe Dirt"

11:40 * CoderForLife dozes at his desk - was up at 3:30am yesterday, asleep at 11;30pm, up at 4:30am

11:41 <CoderForLife> I ain't no spring chicken anymore

11:42 <CoderForLife> bbl

11:48 <xcamel> what did you think of BSG?

11:59 <xcamel> {{{crickets}}}

12:00 <wdsmia> havent watched it yet... its on the dvr

12:03 <xcamel> at least one thing I suspected did happen, and a couple I never saw coming..

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12:16 <xcamel> I really want my global warming back..

12:18 <wdsmia> t-shirt weather here today

12:18 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

12:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 30.5F / -0.8C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 4.0mph / 6.4km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy...windy. Not as cold. Patchy blowing snow. Scattered flurries. High in the mid 30s. Northwest wind 25 to 30 mph decreasing to 15 to 25 mph in the afternoon.; Tonight - Cloudy. Scattered flurries. Low 15 (1 more message)

12:18 <wdsmia> &more

12:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: to 20. West wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Occasional flurries. High in the upper 20s. Northwest wind 15 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph.;

12:19 <xcamel> great video...

12:19 <xcamel>

12:19 <Romulus> <> (at

12:20 <xcamel> really warmed up, eh?

12:20 <xcamel> we went up to 9, back to 8, now 9 again

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12:38 <xcamel> ok.. little birdies all fed now...

12:48 <CoderForLife> lol  ditto =)

12:49 <CoderForLife> it's painful to take the gloves off outside

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12:57 <CoderForLife> off to run some more eraands - bbl

12:57 <PovAddict> if we were made of money, we'd buy a kilogram of ice cream every day

12:57 <PovAddict> but I guess 1kg every two days will do...

12:58 <PovAddict> &wx eze

12:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 93°F / 34°C | Humidity: 36% | Pressure: 29.62in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 18mph / 30km/h | Updated: 3:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:100 F.; Rain. Low:59 F.; Chance of Rain. High:75 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Clear. High:84 F.; Clear. Low:59 F.;

12:58 <PovAddict> &currency convert 36 ars usd

12:58 <Romulus> PovAddict: 36.00 ars = 10.41 usd

12:58 <PovAddict> does that sound like a lot for 1kg of ice cream?

13:04 <xcamel> not nowadays...

13:05 <xcamel> I could go for about 1kg of "warm" right now...

13:05 <PovAddict> heh

13:05 <PovAddict> 32.4C inside

13:05 <PovAddict> I just turned on the AC to avoid death

13:05 <xcamel> still holding at 9F

13:06 <PovAddict> at a "nearby" beach, it rained... dropped from 30C to 20C in less than an hour

13:06 <PovAddict> waiting impatiently for that same rain to come over here

13:08 <PovAddict> :|

13:08 <Romulus> <> (at

13:08 <PovAddict> abusing politic hype to spread malware

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14:07 <Rookie_69> If the sun would quit playing peekaboo with the clouds, I could probably almost adjust my eyes to this screen.

14:09 <Rookie_69> At least I'm getting some sun.

14:11 <MTughan>

14:11 <Romulus> <> (at

14:11 <PovAddict> h8h8h8

14:11 <MTughan> ?

14:12 <PovAddict> hate

14:12 <MTughan> I know what h8 means, I'm wondering why you're saying it.

14:13 <MTughan> I just thought it was a cool graph.

14:13 <PovAddict> because you pwn me on credits

14:13 <MTughan> Oh... :P

14:16 <MTughan> I haven't hit a 1000 credit WU yet, although I think I have one that just hasn't been validated yet. 3 other computers have produced compute errors on it, a 4th is on now. >_>

14:17 <CoderForLife> woot - I was able to replace the passenger-side low beam headlight bulb without breaking anything off, or short-circuiting the car electical system

14:18 * CoderForLife points with pride to his diploma on the wall

14:18 <Rookie_69> Hey! I got one.

14:18 <Romulus> <> (at

14:19 * Rookie_69 wonders if Coder touched the bulb...

14:19 <CoderForLife> no-siree - I knows better than do that

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14:20 <MTughan> Rookie_69: Nice. I've gotten 1K WUs from ABC before, just not using Win7 yet.

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14:20 <Rookie_69> Ah.

14:24 <Rookie_69> I don't look at that box very often. It just sits in the corner quietly linux-ing away.

14:26 <MTughan> I won't post it, but I'll say MilkyWay's line is perfectly linear. :P

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14:38 <MTughan> Interesting...

14:38 <Romulus> <> (at

14:39 <PovAddict> ><

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14:44 <Rookie_69> Hmm... I wonder if it's illegal to use a slow-cooker when you're at home. It should be... The aroma is making me awfully hungry.

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15:10 <Hodapp> illegal? why?

15:12 <Rookie_69> The smell in here is criminal.

15:13 <Rookie_69> I want to eat that roast half-raw.

15:14 <Rookie_69> actually, probably 3/4 raw. It's in a slow cooker

15:15 <Rookie_69> I haven't eaten in six hours or so.

15:15 <Hodapp> Meh. I just have some soda bread in the oven.

15:18 <Rookie_69> That like tea biscuits? I could use them to sop up the juices.

15:19 <Hodapp> I am not sure what tea biscuits are like.

15:19 <Hodapp> but soda bread is basically just a quick bread made with flour, baking soda, baking powder, salt, and buttermilk or yogurt

15:20 <Rookie_69> Probably close enough.

15:21 <Rookie_69> Lol. My search engine never had tea biscuits either.

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15:34 <Rookie_69>

15:34 <Romulus> <> (at

15:35 <Rookie_69> I dunno... They're there now.

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15:44 <Rookie_69> If I wasn't so lazy, I'd go check the cupboards for ingredients...

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15:45 <CoderForLife> fscking Microsoft...

15:45 <Rookie_69> Uh-oh... Coder's back with a vengance.

15:45 <MTughan> /mode #boinc -o CoderForLife

15:45 <MTughan> If you get my meaning... ;)

15:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

15:47 <CoderForLife> explosive expletive deleted

15:47 <CoderForLife> and again

15:47 <MTughan> Any particular reason you're set for auto-op?

15:47 <Rookie_69> Just in case.

15:47 <CoderForLife> because I'm special

15:48 <CoderForLife> in case wdsmia or xcamel is not around to keep order

15:49 <MTughan> Yeah, but even if you just have OP permissions, you can get ChanServ to op you.

15:49 <CoderForLife> the autoop was Doug's decision, I just went with it

15:49 <CoderForLife> now to recover all my lost work

15:50 <PovAddict> what happened?

15:50 <Romulus> Somebody said what happened is a lady brought it to me to fix, and it had a fried video card, PovAddict

15:50 <PovAddict> ...

15:50 <PovAddict> forget what happened, Romulus

15:50 <PovAddict> forget what happened

15:50 <Romulus> Got it!

15:50 <CoderForLife> I had installed Windows Serach to try out, and it's been in my way ever since

15:51 <CoderForLife> I unstalled it, and it finishes with a right now no option no warning system reboot

15:51 <CoderForLife> fscking Microsoft

15:51 <PovAddict> I saw a few Microsoft apps changed their reboot stuff

15:51 <CoderForLife> I'll never recommend upgrading to Office 2007 at w@#% after this

15:51 <PovAddict> instead of showing two options

15:52 <PovAddict> "reboot now" or "don't, I'll reboot later"

15:52 <CoderForLife> I had all kinds of things running

15:52 <PovAddict> it says "your system will be rebooted. check this checkbox for that not to happen"

15:52 <CoderForLife> drive mappings

15:52 <CoderForLife> chats

15:52 <CoderForLife> fscking Microsoft

15:52 <PovAddict> just because it's backwards from what other apps do, it usually causes an unintended reboot

15:53 <CoderForLife> I;m pissed

15:53 <CoderForLife> now - what was I doing before I tried to get Windows Search out of my face

15:54 <Rookie_69> Coding?

15:54 <Romulus> Coding is an interesting thing, Rookie_69

15:55 <CoderForLife> I'm trying to resurrect some skunkworks stuff I did about a year ago - people are finally interested in doing something about it, and were planning to spend $400,000 to buy something that does less than my thing

15:56 <CoderForLife> if that makes any sense

15:57 <CoderForLife> prolly not

15:57 * CoderForLife sighs

15:59 <Rookie_69> You're making Kickapoo Joy Juice?

16:05 * Rookie_69 goes play Solitary.

16:12 * Rookie_69 wonders why paranoid people always pick on him.

16:14 * Rookie_69 never claimed to be a linear thinker.

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16:28 <CoderForLife> back

16:29 <CoderForLife> Kickapoo Joy Juice?

16:29 <Rookie_69>

16:29 <Romulus> Title: skunk!@#&s. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000. (at

16:29 <CoderForLife> I prototyped an enterprise change ciontrol and security provisioning system

16:32 * Rookie_69 looks up and sees big words passing by.

16:33 <CoderForLife> you asked what I was making....

16:33 <Rookie_69> Change I understand... I get that with my coffee.

16:33 <CoderForLife> don't complain when you get the answer

16:33 <Rookie_69> Lol.

16:34 <Hodapp> That's it? I pioneered efficient flexible digital connectivity which introduced functional fiscal innovation in conjunction with fundamental relations simulation.

16:35 <CoderForLife> yep - tied to Active Directory and implemented as JSR-168 compliant portlets

16:35 <Hodapp> It truly offered a way to leverage the inherent synergy in both a top-down and bottom-up manner, which is very innovative.

16:35 <Rookie_69> Stop talking dirty.

16:35 <CoderForLife> designed to make us compliant with the NAIC Model Audit Rule by the end of 2010

16:37 <CoderForLife> I see you have an implicit understanding of these things, Hodapp, or a very good random word generator

16:37 * Rookie_69 goes back and sorts out conversations according to conversor...

16:39 * Rookie_69 then tries to sort out who said what.

16:40 * Rookie_69 thinks tea biscuits would be easier.

16:40 * Rookie_69 never claimed to be a linear thinker.

16:46 <CoderForLife> well, at any rate, there it is

16:47 <Rookie_69> I see.

16:47 <Rookie_69> well, I see the words...

16:48 <CoderForLife> good start - keep staring

16:48 <Rookie_69> Ooh... A butterfly!

16:48 <CoderForLife> zackly

16:49 <PovAddict> we're obviously TFFE members

16:49 <CoderForLife> if you close one eye, then the other, the wings flap

16:49 <CoderForLife> lol Pov

16:49 * Rookie_69 wonders what Pov meant by that.

16:50 <MTughan> I'm not part of TFFE. :D

16:50 <MTughan> And my team recently overtook TFFE too.

16:50 <Rookie_69> sux

16:50 <Rookie_69> 2

16:50 <Rookie_69> B

16:50 <Rookie_69> u

16:50 <CoderForLife> and I don't where you've added to this pile of excrem... er thread

16:51 <Rookie_69> Fecal what?

16:51 <CoderForLife> you confuse membership with caring

16:51 <MTughan> I do?

16:51 <CoderForLife> it takes 2 to race

16:52 <CoderForLife> and I.. well..  meh

16:52 <Rookie_69> This isn't a TFFE channel... We just seem to congregate here.

16:53 <Rookie_69> Sort of like the Church of TFFE...

16:53 <Rookie_69> Wisitors welcome!

16:53 <Rookie_69> ?

16:53 <Rookie_69> Visitors...

16:53 * CoderForLife waves from the back pew

16:54 <MTughan> How the heck to you mistype that? W and V aren't even close on a QWERTY keyboard...

16:54 <CoderForLife> he has a speech impediment

16:54 <Rookie_69> Lack of good judgement?

16:54 <Hodapp> uh, dvorak?

16:54 <Hodapp> wv are right next to each other

16:54 <MTughan> Hodapp: Maybe, but Dvorak isn't nearly as popular as QWERTY last I heard.

16:54 * Rookie_69 abuses a qwerty KB.

16:55 <MTughan> Rookie_69: Do you use QWERTY or Dvorak/

16:55 <MTughan> ?*

16:55 * Rookie_69 abuses a qwerty KB.

16:55 <Hodapp> do you abuse it by typing on it like it's Dvorak?

16:56 * Rookie_69 never took typing in school... as far as he remembers.

16:56 <Hodapp> I took typing. Despite being able to hit 120 wpm, they didn't like how I typed.

16:57 <Rookie_69> 120 words per month??? I envy you.

16:57 <Hodapp> You just gotta work up to typing 4 per day

16:57 <Rookie_69> :-)

16:58 <Rookie_69> Oh, I can type four per day, but it takes a while to correct the mistakes.

17:00 * CoderForLife never took typing

17:00 <Rookie_69> Reading glasses help... I can read the keys again.

17:00 <Rookie_69> ... sort of...

17:00 <CoderForLife> I played trumpet in the band - you couldn't be in the band, and take typing - so, do I play trumpet all day every day?  no........

17:01 <PovAddict> I just exercise my fingers

17:01 * CoderForLife sees a security problem in moving his Code between servers

17:01 <Rookie_69> You could... but the neighbors would complain.

17:01 <CoderForLife> how convenient

17:02 <PovAddict> I type a lot of Code

17:02 <PovAddict> and English

17:02 <PovAddict> and Spanish

17:02 <PovAddict> (yes, in that order...)

17:02 * Rookie_69 would prefer to move his drink orders between servers.

17:02 <PovAddict> and play some on the "other keyboard"

17:03 <Rookie_69> accordian?

17:03 <PovAddict> (the one with black and white keys instead of letter-labelled keys)

17:03 * Rookie_69 slaps himself for ignoring spell-check.

17:04 * CoderForLife fixes security problem preventing the writing of log files

17:05 <CoderForLife> how convenient

17:05 <PovAddict> rarely is huh

17:05 <CoderForLife> very, very rarely

17:06 * Rookie_69 can barely play the radio.

17:06 <CoderForLife> the only time I've seen it is where the developer tried to drop the database, and mistakenly had typed "P" (production database) instead of "T" (test database).  Security prevented him from destroying the database

17:07 <CoderForLife> dinner call - bbiab

17:07 <PovAddict> I once typed somecommand > ./

17:07 <PovAddict> instead of somecommand | ./

17:08 <PovAddict> overwrote my pastebin script with the log output I wanted to put on pastebin

17:08 <PovAddict> now I chmod my scripts so that *I* can't write to them

17:10 <Rookie_69> That something like "Don't ever log in as root"?

17:10 <Rookie_69> Too much power in the wrong hands...

17:11 <PovAddict> gov't?

17:11 <Rookie_69> Same thing.

17:12 * Rookie_69 dreams about living in a place where all government employees make minimum wage.

17:14 <Rookie_69> ... including the president/premier/prime minister/whatever.

17:20 <Rookie_69> Our police recruits apparently take home more during six months of training than I make in a year and I defended this country for sixteen years... well, I fixed the trucks driven by the people who defend this country for sixteen years...

17:24 * Rookie_69 wanders off with a fifteen year old knot in his stomach.

17:25 <Rookie_69> Ok... 14 years next week.

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17:36 <CoderForLife> back

17:37 <CoderForLife> yummy Skyline chili

17:37 <CoderForLife> heh PovAddict

17:38 * CoderForLife looks into mysql query failure after moving web site

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17:38 <CoderForLife> moo efc

17:38 <CoderForLife> maybe, jusy maybe, my problem has something to do with security

17:38 <CoderForLife> er just

17:38 <efc> moo

17:41 <MTughan> Hmm... Obama's inauguration speech is to be streamed using Silverlight. FAIL.

17:42 <wdsmia>

17:42 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:50 <MTughan> I'm fine then, I guess...

17:52 <Rookie_69> ... or not paying attention.

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17:59 <PovAddict> always a problem

17:59 <PovAddict> <.<

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18:10 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

18:10 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 33.0F / 0.6C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.89in / 1012.1hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: West | Wind Speed: 6.0mph / 9.7km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Occasional flurries. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Occasional flurries. High in the upper 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts (1 more message)

18:10 <wdsmia> &more

18:10 <Romulus> wdsmia: to around 30 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Colder. Low 10 to 15. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.;

18:12 <Rookie_69_> &seen conatose

18:12 <Romulus> Rookie_69_: I have not seen conatose.

18:12 <PovAddict> &seen comatose

18:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: I have not seen comatose.

18:12 <Rookie_69_> &seen comatosed

18:12 <Romulus> Rookie_69_: I have not seen comatosed.

18:12 <Rookie_69_> Oh well.

18:12 <wdsmia> he left before the move to freenode

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18:21 * MTughan has just about hit 8000 pending on ABC

18:21 <wdsmia> good start

18:22 <MTughan> Which looks like about 16,000-48,000 in actual credits.

18:22 <PovAddict> 800 workunits?!

18:22 <PovAddict> 8000*

18:23 <MTughan> No, 8000 credits pending.

18:23 <PovAddict> then what do you mean 16,000-48,000 in actual credits

18:23 <PovAddict> ?

18:23 <MTughan> ABC does at least 2x claimed for granted.

18:23 <MTughan> And that number increases as the claimed/runtime increases. Remember the exponential relationship?

18:24 <MTughan> I just have to wait for my wingmen to finish the WUs... >_>

18:25 <MTughan> And just like that, I'm up to 8500 pending... O_O

18:25 <MTughan> My lappie must've reported some results.

18:26 <MTughan> Wow... I have a WU that claimed 420 credits on ABC. From my experience with this computer, any above 130 are granted 1K...

18:27 <MTughan> So even just linearly, I should be granted at least 3000 credits for it... xD

18:37 * Rookie_69_ never claimed to be a linear thinker.

18:38 * KathrynM tries to wake up

18:38 <MTughan> How about an exponential thinker? Can you figure this out?

18:38 <Romulus> <> (at

18:38 <Rookie_69_> Boo!

18:38 * KathrynM yawns

18:39 <MTughan> It looks like "f(x) = 30.67 * 1^x", but 1^x is always equal to 1, no matter the x.

18:39 <CoderForLife> it's uselsss

18:39 <Rookie_69_> I guess I'm not all that scary.

18:39 <CoderForLife> give it up KathrynM

18:40 <KathrynM> I wonder if I start now, I'll get my contacts in my eyes by the time the grocery store opens

18:40 <MTughan> Is anyone going to look at my screenshot?

18:40 <KathrynM> fine fine

18:40 <KathrynM> I

18:40 <KathrynM> I'll look

18:41 <Rookie_69_> I did... I looked away very quickly.

18:41 <KathrynM> nice fit

18:41 <KathrynM> I don't think I ever saw such a nice fit in any of my real world data

18:41 <MTughan> It's a correlation between ABC WU runtimes and what they grant. But I'm wondering about the equation.

18:41 <KathrynM> but I don't understand why x is only in the exponent

18:41 <KathrynM> just like you

18:42 <KathrynM> what did you use to get the regression equation?

18:42 <MTughan> I blew it up just to make sure that's what it said, and I wasn't missing anything.

18:42 <KathrynM> lol

18:42 <MTughan> I added in an exponential regression, and asked to have it also show its equation and correlation. That's what it gave me.

18:43 <KathrynM> what program?

18:43 <MTughan> OpenOffice Calc.

18:43 <MTughan> 3.0.0.

18:43 <KathrynM> *shrug*

18:43 <KathrynM> Last time I did regression in a spread sheet was, oh, 1999

18:43 <KathrynM> My weapon of choice was SPSS

18:44 <MTughan> SPSS?

18:44 <Rookie_69_> Just last... century.

18:44 <KathrynM> Statistical Package for the Social Sciences

18:44 <KathrynM> And the only reason I did it in a spread sheet is that the prof started teaching it that way so we would understand the calculations

18:45 <CoderForLife> mine was SAS

18:45 <CoderForLife> now I'm looking at WEKA

18:45 <CoderForLife> and R

18:45 <KathrynM> I didn't do all that much beyond ANOVA and trend analysis

18:45 <KathrynM> at least in grad school

18:45 <KathrynM> our lab used SuperANOVA

18:45 <MTughan> Hold on, I've got to go get laundry...

18:46 <KathrynM> On a blueberry G3 tower no less

18:46 <CoderForLife> I'm off to the Couch

18:46 <CoderForLife> my SAS was on IBM mainframe

18:46 <CoderForLife> 3081 and 3083

18:46 <CoderForLife> laterz

18:47 <Soul_keeper> any of you gone to circuit city today ?

18:47 <Soul_keeper> supposed to be good deals right ?

18:47 <KathrynM> only in my dreams

18:47 <Soul_keeper> yeah only in the US and canada

18:48 <Soul_keeper> they have a bunch of 24" lcd's

18:48 <Soul_keeper> wonder how much they'll knock off the price ...

18:49 <Rookie_69_> $.99

18:50 <Soul_keeper> you people sound like you're in a bad mood ...

18:50 <Soul_keeper> guess i'll go back out of town

18:57 <MTughan> There are Circuit City's in Canada?

18:57 <Soul_keeper> they own a subsidiary up there, few hundred stores.  not sure what they call it

18:57 <Soul_keeper> it might not be liquidating, they could spin it off tho

18:57 <Rookie_69_> Circuit City bought out Radio Shack... The Source.

18:57 <MTughan> "Are you also shutting down your operations in Canada?

18:57 <MTughan>     * No, our Canadian operations will continue.  They are not affected by the liquidation of Circuit City's U.S. operations.  The Canadian operations employ approximately 3,000 associates.

18:57 <MTughan> "

18:58 <MTughan> Oops, sorry for the newlines...

18:58 <MTughan> Oh yeah... "The Source, by Circuit City", as their full name goes.

18:58 <Soul_keeper> nice

18:58 <MTughan> Because Radio Shack US sued Radio Shack Canada.

18:59 <Soul_keeper> i had 3,000 bucks in their stock, maybe it'll be transfered into the canadian portion after a restructure

18:59 <Rookie_69_> It's all Intertan, I think.

18:59 <Soul_keeper> just have to wait and see i guess

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19:00 <Soul_keeper> i had 3000 bucks in a different stock last year and basically lost it all

19:00 <Soul_keeper> never know

19:01 <Soul_keeper> worth 6 bucks now and costs 10 bucks to sell it :)

19:04 <MTughan> Ah, there we go... Stupid OOo saw a multiple of 1.001804903, and decided to round it to 1.

19:04 <MTughan> So the equation is actually 30.67 * 1.001804903^x.

19:05 <MTughan> rofl... So using that equation, where x is the runtime in seconds, I should be granted almost 23K for that WU... xD

19:06 <MTughan> &math 30.6739882669 * 1.001804903 ** 74933.26

19:06 <Romulus> MTughan: 1482407965479087856003728156603928817492789021417389888110592

19:06 <MTughan> &math 30.6739882669 * (1.001804903 ** 74933.26)

19:06 <Romulus> MTughan: 1482407965479087856003728156603928817492789021417389888110592

19:06 <MTughan> Uh... No...

19:06 <wdsmia> lol he gets a q6600 and now he is a credit whore

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19:07 <MTughan> I don't know, Rommie screws up somewhere.

19:07 <MTughan> The TI-83 does it correctly though.

19:08 <MTughan> But seriously, this is one massive WU... I'll usually hit maybe 25,000 seconds CPU time. This one clocked in at 75,000 seconds.

19:09 <MTughan> wdsmia: It's because I'm trying to catch you. ;)

19:09 <wdsmia> good luck

19:10 <Rookie_69_> I look at the SETI status page and see 30,000 SETI WU's and three Astropulse... I wonder if I'm the only one doing Astropulse?

19:11 <PovAddict> maybe

19:11 <Rookie_69_> I seem to have five or ten running at any given time.

19:12 <MTughan> Oops, that last value is garbage... That workunit was crunched on the laptop, for which I don't have any data.

19:12 <wdsmia> looking at your rac I can see why no one else is running them :P

19:12 <Rookie_69_> :-P

19:12 <MTughan> However, I have another one that was crunched on here, and claimed even more. xD

19:13 <Rookie_69_> Stop staring at my RAC, you pervert.

19:13 <MTughan> rofl

19:13 <MTughan> KathrynM watching this? xD

19:13 <MTughan> Oh wow, emoticons don't do justice in this situation...

19:19 <PovAddict> lol

19:20 <Rookie_69_> You're in a "situation"?

19:21 <MTughan> Who?

19:21 <Rookie_69_> &math calc 75000/60/60

19:21 <Romulus> Rookie_69_: 20.8333333333

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19:22 <MTughan> The other one is 61,500 seconds.

19:22 <MTughan> &math 61500 / 3600

19:22 <Romulus> MTughan: 17.0833333333

19:23 <MTughan> Still means 20K credits. It'll only get 1K though. Still fine with me.

19:27 <Rookie_69_> I forget.

19:30 <KathrynM> bah.  was fixing a script

19:31 <KathrynM> missed your whole discussion MTughan

19:31 <MTughan> Heh.

19:31 <Rookie_69_> Good.

19:31 <KathrynM> helps to have the script cd to the correct directory

19:31 <KathrynM> I wrote it at 10PM last night...  I should be awake when coding.

19:32 <KathrynM> I'll never become a Coder at this rate.

19:32 <Rookie_69_> IIRC, some of if might have been misconscrued as sexist.

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19:33 <KathrynM> I'm used to the sexist stuff in here.  New females might not be so forgiving.

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19:33 <KathrynM> oh, just missed a huge piece of logic.................

19:33 <KathrynM> damn it

19:33 <PovAddict> wtf?

19:33 <Romulus> Title: Prob (at

19:33 <KathrynM> Is there anything smaller than a small c?

19:34 <PovAddict> their server code is from before BOINC switched from CVS to SVN

19:34 * Rookie_69_ started writing script once, but gave up on writing that Great American/Canadian novel.

19:35 <KathrynM> how long has that been?

19:35 <Rookie_69_> >Is there anything smaller than a small c? A small P?

19:35 <MTughan> KathrynM: What do you mean?

19:35 <KathrynM> (verysmallc)oder ---> coder ---> Coder

19:36 <MTughan> ucoder?

19:36 <PovAddict> <!-- $Id:,v 1.101 2006/02/20 19:11:48 ballen Exp $ -->

19:36 <MTughan> (I can't type the micro symbol off hand here)

19:36 <KathrynM> lol

19:36 <PovAddict> µcoder

19:36 <MTughan> That.

19:36 <KathrynM> perfect.  I didn't even think of that

19:38 * Rookie_69_ tucks small p out of sight.

19:38 <PovAddict> pizza ->

19:38 <MTughan> A poder? lol

19:38 <Rookie_69_> Yeah... That's it.

19:39 <KathrynM> oh, pizza sounds good

19:39 <KathrynM> Pizza is good any time of the day

19:40 <Rookie_69_> Doug has this annoying habit of waiting until his pizza won't burn his mouth. I can't see it.

19:40 <MTughan> BTW Rookie, you have a tail.

19:41 <Rookie_69_> Pizza has to embed itself into the palate to be appreciated.

19:41 <Rookie_69_> Oh yeah... Last split.

19:41 *** Rookie_69_ is now known as Rookie_69

19:42 <Rookie_69> Better?

19:42 <Romulus> Somebody said Better is those where the image.jpg is a directory with a index.html spewing all kinds of nasty stuff your way :), Rookie_69

19:43 <MTughan> Yep. ;)

19:43 * Rookie_69 wonders why anyone was watching his tail.

19:43 <MTughan> Like we were watching your RAC?

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19:44 <Rookie_69> Apparently someone was.

19:45 <Soul_keeper> i heard your RAC is from an implant

19:45 <Rookie_69> If I wasn't so shy, I'd say I had a nice tail.

19:45 <MTughan> I didn't mean to push it to this...

19:46 * Rookie_69 wonders how they figured out he was a mouse.

19:47 <wdsmia> Big ears and beedie eyes may have had somthing to do with it

19:48 <Rookie_69> Maybe I'm a hamster... They don't got no tail, right?

19:49 <MTughan> What, I'm supposed to be looking at a hamster's ass?

19:49 <Rookie_69> No.

19:50 <MTughan> My laundry calls... bbiab

19:50 <ELGono> moo dudes

19:51 <Rookie_69> I listened to my laundry last weekend. This week it can scream it's head off.

19:51 <Rookie_69> Hi, JR!

19:51 <ELGono> sleepless night in ilmenau .... think supper was a bit hot ;)

19:52 <ELGono> nice curry chicken

19:52 <Rookie_69> Hausenpfeffer with hot sauce?

19:52 <Rookie_69> Oh.

19:52 <ELGono> close enough ;)

19:52 <Rookie_69> Lol.

19:53 <ELGono> think it will burn twice

19:53 <Rookie_69> :0(

19:53 <Rookie_69> ?

19:53 <Rookie_69> :-(

19:53 <ELGono> hmm looks like you don't have that saying over the pond

19:54 <Rookie_69> C'mon Ice cream...

19:54 <ELGono> next shop open at this time is 3km away

19:54 <ELGono> and we have ice rain outside

19:55 <ELGono> already did some nice slides this afternoon

19:55 <Rookie_69> That which burns going in will surely burn coming out... Hopefully, ice cream will ease the pain...

19:56 <ELGono> well it's new to me that it should help with the second burning ;)

19:56 <Rookie_69> Movie: Up In Smoke.

19:56 <ELGono> lol

19:56 <ELGono> yeah

19:56 <ELGono> haven't seen it for quite a while

19:57 <ELGono> but still remember the banana song

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20:03 <wdsmia> someone ate my pizza

20:03 <wdsmia> oh must have been me...

20:06 <wdsmia> cant belive I ate the hole thing

20:07 * Rookie_69 ate a hole thing once...

20:08 <wdsmia> did you use the tail as floss?

20:09 <Rookie_69> Tail? I ain't had tail in...

20:09 <Rookie_69> What year is this?

20:10 <wdsmia> the 21st century?

20:10 <Rookie_69> Oh. :-(

20:12 <PovAddict> crazy weather

20:12 <PovAddict> we had dinner outside and it's *cold*

20:12 <PovAddict> &wx eze

20:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 68°F / 20°C | Humidity: 68% | Pressure: 29.74in / 1007hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 17mph / 28km/h | Updated: 11:00 PM ARST; Chance of Rain. High:98 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:59 F.; Chance of Rain. High:75 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Clear. High:80 F.; Clear. Low:57 F.;

20:12 <PovAddict> dropped from 35 to 20 in how many hours?

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20:18 <Rookie_69> A fish.

20:18 <Rookie_69> 42?

20:18 <Romulus> It has been said that 42 is pretty darn weird. But is it odd, Rookie_69

20:19 <Rookie_69> slartibartfast?

20:20 <Rookie_69> It appears that the Romulus is not all-knowing.

20:20 <wdsmia> Rookie_69 are you daft?

20:21 <Rookie_69> ... or my typing leaves something to be desired.

20:21 <Rookie_69> Umm... yes.

20:21 <Rookie_69> I thought I made that clear.

20:24 <Rookie_69> Thermo sitting at a balmy -14C.

20:24 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

20:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: -3.6°F / -19.8°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.50in / 1032.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 9:24 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of flurries late this evening and overnight. Wind up to 15 km/h. Low -20C(-4F). Cold wind chill -29 overnight.; Sunday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Snow (1 more message)

20:24 <Rookie_69> &more

20:24 <Romulus> Rookie_69: beginning late in the day. Wind becoming southeast 20 km/h (12 mph) in the afternoon. High -1C(30F). Sunday night snow and local blowing snow changing to rain overnight. Snowfall amount 10 cm(3.9 in). Rainfall amount 5 mm. Fog patches overnight. Wind southeast 40 km/h (25 mph) gusting to 60 km/h (37 mph). Temperature rising to 4C(39F) by morning.; Monday - Rain or snow. High 3C(37F).;

20:25 <Rookie_69> One of them must be wrong.

20:26 <Rookie_69> Dire Straits comes to mind...

20:26 <MTughan> "Updated 9:24 AST", that's 2 minutes ago at this point.

20:27 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

20:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 32.0F / 0.0C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.91in / 1012.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 2.0mph / 3.2km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Occasional flurries. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph. Gusts up to 30 mph in the evening.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Occasional flurries. High in the upper 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts (1 more message)

20:27 <wdsmia> &more

20:27 <Romulus> wdsmia: to around 30 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Colder. Low 10 to 15. Northwest wind 5 to 15 mph. Gusts up to 25 mph in the evening.;

20:27 <wdsmia> heat wave :)

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20:28 <Rookie_69> &wx yow

20:29 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 3°F / -16°C | Humidity: 78% | Pressure: 30.23in / 1024hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h | Updated: 8:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries this evening. Periods of snow beginning near midnight. Amount 2 to 4 cm(0.8 to 1.6 in). Wind up to 15 km/h (9 mph). Low -17C(1F). Wind chill -25 overnight.; Sunday - (1 more message)

20:29 <wdsmia> &wx yaw

20:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -3.8°F / -19.9°C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.50in / 1032.7hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 9:29 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of flurries late this evening and overnight. Wind up to 15 km/h. Low -20C(-4F). Cold wind chill -29 overnight.; Sunday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Snow (1 more message)

20:30 <Rookie_69> Yaw... yow... same thing.

20:30 <MTughan> Hey, we're above 0F! :)

20:30 <MTughan> I'm YOW, you're YAW.

20:30 <PovAddict> yeow

20:30 <MTughan> That would work perfectly if there was a YEW...

20:30 <MTughan> &airport YEW

20:30 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: I couldn't find YEW in airport.

20:30 <Rookie_69> YAW is an almost closed naval air station...

20:31 <MTughan> Apparently not.

20:31 <Rookie_69> &wx whz

20:31 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

20:31 <Rookie_69> ?

20:31 <Rookie_69> &wx yhz

20:31 <MTughan> WHZ or YHZ?

20:31 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: -4°F / -20°C | Humidity: 71% | Pressure: 30.50in / 1033hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 9:00 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of flurries late this evening and overnight. Wind up to 15 km/h. Low -20C(-4F). Cold wind chill -29 overnight.; Sunday - Cloudy with 60 percent chance of flurries. Snow beginning (1 more message)

20:32 <Rookie_69> &weather alert

20:32 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: -20°F / -29°C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1003hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM MST; Clear. High:-18 F.; Clear. Low:-23 F.; Clear. High:-14 F.; Clear. Low:-18 F.; Clear. High:-7 F.; Clear. Low:-22 F.;

20:32 <wdsmia> &wx McMurdo

20:32 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 29°F / -2°C | Humidity: 56% | Pressure: 29.04in / 983hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM NZDT; Chance of Snow. High:28 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-2 F.; Clear. High:28 F.; Clear. Low:-2 F.; Partly Cloudy. High:24 F.; Clear. Low:4 F.;

20:35 <wdsmia> &wx Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station

20:35 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: -17°F / -27°C | Humidity: | Pressure: in / hPa | Conditions: Snow | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h | Updated: 1:00 PM NZDT; Chance of Snow. High:-12 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-15 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-4 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-9 F.; Chance of Snow. High:-7 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:-16 F.;

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20:36 <MTughan> Technically, they're in summer. :)

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20:36 <Rookie_69> They are in summer.

20:37 <MTughan> Pov can attest to that.

20:39 <PovAddict> yup

20:39 <Rookie_69> I really hope my summer gets warmer than that. I've got a full schedule of piloting someone else's boat ahead of me.

20:40 <Rookie_69> ... after I change all the leaky coolant hoses...

20:44 <Rookie_69> I couldn't afford to feed those twin 350's...

20:45 <MTughan> Yay, just beat a game of Mahjong...

20:54 <MTughan> w00t! Shot the moon in Hearts!

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20:57 <wdsmia> wb

20:58 <Rookie_69> I seem to have had a problem shutting down Goggle Earth.

20:58 <Rookie_69> Imagine that.

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21:00 <MTughan> Goggle Earth? You view the earth through goggles?

21:01 * MTughan won a game of Hearts

21:01 <Rookie_69> Well, I view it through lcd's... but close enough.

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21:06 <MTughan> &math 61500 / 3600

21:06 <Romulus> MTughan: 17.0833333333

21:07 <Rookie_69> I got a TV Guide crossword book in the bathroom, but I'm not very good at them... I guess I don't watch enough soaps.

21:09 * Rookie_69 doesn't have a Hearts.

21:09 <MTughan> Comes with Windows.

21:10 <Rookie_69> Oh yeah... The game...

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21:30 <Soul_keeper> i just went to circuit city, 10% off everything  and still a rip off

21:31 <Tidus> lol

21:31 <Rookie_69> 50%off is getting closer.

21:31 <Soul_keeper> 65 bucks for a single stick of 2GB ddr2 with 10% off that basically covers sales tax:  newegg price 20 bucks

21:31 <Tidus> i just got done changing out a failing proc

21:32 <Tidus> and yeah... you pay out the nose for the 'get it now' convenience...

21:32 <Soul_keeper> 200 bucks for a 9600GT:  newegg price 105 bucks

21:32 <Soul_keeper> their cheapest television is over 200 bucks

21:33 <Soul_keeper> and they want like 450 bucks for a 24" lcd monitor

21:33 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: if you need a tv, go to a pawn shop, buy a used tv, then go buy a converter box if needed

21:33 <Tidus> i did that, total cost was $130 for a 27" tv that was barely 3 years old and still in perfect condition

21:33 <Soul_keeper> yeah my dad has an ancient 1970's tv  he needs an upgrade

21:34 <Tidus> hey don't knock those old consoles...

21:34 <Tidus> those things just dont blow up

21:34 <Soul_keeper> lol

21:34 <Soul_keeper> yeah i guess it's getting "fuzzy" on him

21:34 <Rookie_69> 1970's tv needs upgrade... 2000's box needs replacement???

21:35 <Tidus> yeah, apparently tvs have a much longer usable life

21:35 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: but seriously... that's what i did when my parents tv blew up.

21:35 <Soul_keeper> sounds like a plan

21:36 <Tidus> went to a pawn shop, paid 89 bucks for a 27" orion unit that wasn't even 3 years old, and bought a digital converter box

21:36 <Soul_keeper> he doesn't even need the converter box

21:36 <Tidus> cable?

21:36 <Romulus> Somebody said cable is shared, if you were the only one in your building you might get what they promised, Tidus

21:36 <Soul_keeper> yeah

21:36 <Tidus> cool

21:36 <Tidus> so just check out a pawn shop... seen a 50" rear projection HD unit in one for $499

21:37 <Soul_keeper> yeah he just needs something basic and small or it won't fit in his entertainment set,  i figure like 18"   probably 50 bucks max

21:38 <Soul_keeper> i'll hafta measure it out

21:38 <Tidus> my stepmom cried on that christmas day...

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21:38 <Soul_keeper> i think circuit city will lower their prices more as the week goes on,  there were tons of people there and nobody was really buying anything

21:38 <Tidus> she really wasn't expecting me to show up with a tv

21:38 <Soul_keeper> haha

21:39 <Tidus> i cried because they were lookin at this little 13" color unit from 25 feet away

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21:39 <Soul_keeper> yeah my dad is going blind, but he really loves tv and potatoe chips

21:40 <Tidus> good tv blows up, stepmom grabs the bedroom tv which is 13" big...

21:41 <Soul_keeper> so i figure circuit city would need a 60-70% off sale on their memory to make it competitive

21:42 <Tidus> plus, now they can actually see dvds as they were meant to be seen... crisp and clear, not fuzzy due to being ran through a dodgy converter box

21:42 <Rookie_69> I remember grandma had 13" tv with no picture perched on top of 21"tv with no sound...

21:42 <Soul_keeper> 45% off for the video cards to be competitive

21:42 <PovAddict> lol Rookie_69

21:42 <Tidus> Rookie_69: that's redneck for ya... got two tvs, one for picture one for sound

21:42 <Soul_keeper> my grandma had to big wooden tv box

21:42 <Soul_keeper> the*

21:43 <Soul_keeper> it was like a peice of furniture, you could sit on it

21:43 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: that's what i call a console.

21:43 <Soul_keeper> she'd watch her westerns and chain smoke

21:43 <Tidus> where i'm living now, we got one of those in the living room... solid oak cabinet, takes 2 people to move a 25" tv

21:43 <PovAddict> &wx eze

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21:43 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 64°F / 18°C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 29.80in / 1009hPa | Conditions: Light Rain | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 23mph / 37km/h | Updated: 12:00 AM ARST; Chance of Rain. High:98 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:59 F.; Chance of Rain. High:75 F.; Clear. Low:51 F.; Clear. High:80 F.; Clear. Low:57 F.;

21:43 <Soul_keeper> those were great tv's at a kid tho, couldn't have told me otherwise

21:44 <PovAddict> unbelievable

21:44 <Soul_keeper> pong looked incredible on them

21:44 <PovAddict> lol pong

21:45 <Soul_keeper> nintendo mario bros looked awesome the month it came out

21:46 <Tidus> great to play regular nintendo on, even just for the authenticity factor

21:46 <Rookie_69> Our TV sat in the basement for years... Then dad bought a colour tv for the living room. Both channels came in in colour.

21:46 <PovAddict> I want a USB sega controller

21:47 <Tidus> both channels, Rookie_69 ?

21:47 <Rookie_69> Yup.

21:47 <Soul_keeper> there are way too many channels on cable anymore, i get lost

21:47 <PovAddict> any good?

21:48 <Soul_keeper> and it seems the radio stations are all owned by mexicans now

21:48 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: that's why i have a computer hooked up to my cable box...

21:48 <Tidus> can search for programs, it does the tuning for me

21:48 <Soul_keeper> nice

21:48 <Tidus> also doubles as a dvr

21:48 <PovAddict> cable box?

21:49 <Tidus> yeah, apparently if you want any of the channels that the number is over 100, you have to have a digital gateway box

21:49 <PovAddict> we only have around 70 channels here

21:50 <PovAddict> and the "digital TV" hype is barely catching on, I don't know anyone who has it

21:50 <Tidus> we have 70 on our family cable plan here, but there's well over 200 available if you go digital

21:50 <Tidus> PovAddict: digital tv's not a hype. less than a month before the switch is required in the us

21:50 <PovAddict> required?

21:50 <Soul_keeper> i've noticed our cable has gotten really slow, i think the more channels/customers they add the slower the network gets.  takes like 10secs to change a chan now

21:51 <Tidus> on 19 february 2009, all analog over the air broadcast tv will cease

21:51 <PovAddict> digital over air?

21:51 <PovAddict> o_o

21:51 <Tidus> yep

21:51 <Soul_keeper> obama wants to delay that till july i believe

21:51 <PovAddict> over air we have 5 chans here

21:51 <Soul_keeper> and he wants an extra few 100 million

21:51 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: doubt it'll happen

21:51 <Rookie_69> I only have cable for the internet... If I really want to watch something, I'll try to download it.

21:52 <Tidus> PovAddict: we have 4 over the air in analog, about 18-20 with the same antenna on digital

21:52 <PovAddict> bfd

21:53 <PovAddict> why are they moving to digital? I thought the reason was RF spectrum overload, but if it's only 4 channels in analog...

21:53 <Tidus> digital broadcasts take less bandwidth

21:53 <Rookie_69> Some big company told them to do it.

21:53 <Tidus> and multiple channels can be multiplexed into the same frequency

21:54 <PovAddict> you exchange white noise for MPEG artifacts

21:54 <Rookie_69> ... and more commercials can be broadcast.

21:54 <Tidus> PovAddict: yeah, basically... but it takes REALLY low signal for it to artifact around on you

21:55 <Tidus> in my experiences, if the signal is low enough for it to spew artifacts, it's low enough that analog would be all fuzz and staticky and in some cases blue screen

21:56 <Rookie_69> Eww... blue screen...

21:56 <Tidus> Rookie_69: you know how newer tvs and vcr's would rather paint a silent solid color screen instead of snow and white noise?

21:57 * Rookie_69 thinks BSOD.

21:57 <Tidus> heh, aint seen one of those in a while around here...

21:57 <Rookie_69> Yup.

21:59 * Rookie_69 notices a 19" tv in the corner that hasn't been on in weeks.

22:00 <Rookie_69> 'me should hook up a boinc box to it just so it gets turned on once in a while.

22:01 <Rookie_69> .../me should...

22:01 <Rookie_69> Stupid keyboard.

22:06 <Rookie_69> Anything I say hereafter will probably involve staring at the screen through one squinty eye...

22:07 <Rookie_69> &google hereafter

22:07 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Search took 0.10 seconds: hereafter - definition of hereafter by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <>; hereafter - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary: <>; Hereafter (2008): <>; The Sweet Hereafter (1997): (2 more messages)

22:07 <Rookie_69> &more

22:07 <Romulus> Rookie_69: <>; the hereafter - home: <>; Hereafter .com: <>; Resurrection Judgement and the Hereafter: <>; UnitedVisualArtists » Hereafter - part of Picture House at Belsay Hall: <>; the official Hereafter homepage: (1 more message)

22:07 <Rookie_69> &more

22:07 <Romulus> Rookie_69: <>; Belief in the Hereafter (Islaam.Com): <>

22:08 <Rookie_69> Nope... That's not it.

22:09 <Rookie_69> ... that which happens after here?

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22:16 <Tidus> k, i'll bbl... gonna reformat the laptop to get this failed install of win7 off it

22:16 <Rookie_69> I'm gonna go watch the red and blue lights next door.

22:17 <Rookie_69> Mostly red.

22:24 <Rookie_69> Probably somebody shoved a gas grenade under some rival dope dealer's door again... They're airing the place out.

22:26 <Rookie_69> The cops are escorting out a gentleman with his hands behind his back...

22:27 <Rookie_69> Brr.

22:28 <Rookie_69> They obviously didn't want his hands to get frostbite.

22:30 * Rookie_69 is too poor to live in a nice neighbourhood.

22:30 <Tidus> hooray.

22:32 <Rookie_69> I'll try not to take that personally.

22:32 <Rookie_69> ;-)

22:33 <Tidus> lol...

22:33 <Tidus> ssh on a linux rescuecd... woot

22:34 <Tidus> i really need to install bitlbee or finch on this machine...

22:34 <Tidus> that way i have my IMs available through ssh

22:37 <Rookie_69> Most of my linux experience is I and I... Install and Ignore. It seems to work for me.

22:37 <PovAddict> "Being brave is feeling scared and still carrying on. (Or is that stupid?)"

22:37 <Rookie_69> Yes.

22:39 <Tidus> Rookie_69: that's normally my linux experience too, just i tend to tinker and break.

22:40 <PovAddict> that's the way to learn

22:40 <Tidus> heh, been doing that for the past 8 years

22:40 <Rookie_69> Hmm... probably won't get police report until monday... I'll have forgot about this by then.

22:41 * Tidus is glad they put ssh on the fedora 10 install disc

22:41 <Rookie_69> *I used to tinker a bit, but forgot what to tinker with.

22:42 <Rookie_69> BOINCmangler was a godsend.

22:43 <Rookie_69> All those command line things were getting on my brain.

22:45 <Tidus> heh

22:45 <Rookie_69> It seems to me I had to back up a few versions of FC to get SATA to work without having a spare brick around to beat my head with.

22:46 <Tidus> F9 and F10 have never given me any issues

22:47 <Rookie_69> Apparently, I settled on FC4 or something.

22:47 <Rookie_69> It was a while ago.

22:47 <Tidus> F8 was the buggy one for me

22:49 <Rookie_69> I just wanted 64 bit box to run 64 bit OS and Win was out of the question.

22:49 <Tidus> Rookie_69: you might give F10 a spin, always worked well for me

22:50 <Rookie_69> But that would involve working my ass off for a few minutes...

22:51 <Rookie_69> Not to mention all the downloading...

22:51 <Tidus> rofl

22:52 <Rookie_69> Maybe if someone said it would crunch faster...

22:52 <Tidus> newer kernel than FC4, it might

22:52 <Tidus> been quite a few performance tweaks involved between the kernel in FC4 and F10

22:53 <Tidus> not to mention you wont be a security risk :P

22:54 <Rookie_69> I've not been allowed to have secrets in many years anyhow.

22:54 <Tidus> i mean security risk as in your computer wont be hacked as easy

22:55 <Rookie_69> The older the OS, the less people are interested in hacking, it seems.

22:57 <Rookie_69> Oh... Gas company outside now... maybe it was just a gas leak.

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23:03 <Rookie_69> F-10 x86-64 iso dl now... slow.

23:03 <Tidus> yeah... tends to be on a direct download

23:03 <Tidus> use a torrent.

23:03 <Tidus> faster.

23:06 <PovAddict> "City accountants Madeley-Finnegan said that since 1999 the number of children with poor numeracy had risen from five out of ten to 50% - an increase of nearly a double"

23:06 <Rookie_69> Apparently. 2 1/2 hours instead of three days.

23:06 <Rookie_69> Lol.

23:07 <Tidus> Rookie_69: using a torrent instead of direct download? lol

23:07 <Tidus> PovAddict: lol

23:08 <Rookie_69> Lol to bean counters that don't know how to count beans.

23:08 <PovAddict> bailouts explained

23:08 <PovAddict> "You screwed up and lost all our money! Here, have some more of our money! And don't do it again!"

23:11 <Tidus> well, 2 hrs after the processor change at full load, seems to be running better than it used to, and a bit cooler to boot

23:13 <Rookie_69> Dump out the mud and any box should run a bit cooler.

23:14 <Rookie_69> I found that out through experience.

23:18 <efc> moo

23:18 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

23:19 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Box seems to be maxed out.

23:20 <Rookie_69> Might have something to do with 561 kb dl speed...

23:21 <Rookie_69> ... on a 500 kb connection.

23:22 <Tidus> heh

23:23 <Tidus> Rookie_69: 5mb cable?

23:24 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Firefox is sucking up most of the cycles.

23:24 <Rookie_69> IIRC.

23:24 <Rookie_69> I forget.

23:26 <Rookie_69> Yeah... 5 Mb.

23:26 <Tidus> theoretically you can reach 600KiB/sec

23:28 <Rookie_69> I could get 15 Mb theoretical for another $10 per month, I'm told.

23:28 <Tidus> i had 15mb... was nice

23:28 <Tidus> ~1.8MiB/sec on a torrent... oh yeah

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23:29 <Rookie_69> ~580 kb down atm.

23:30 <Rookie_69> Astropulse now sucking up most og the cycles... as it should be.

23:30 <Rookie_69> ... of...

23:30 <Tidus> keyboard problems?

23:31 <Rookie_69> Always.

23:31 <Tidus> same here...

23:34 <Rookie_69> Hmm... Maybe it's just this cold, but I can't even taste my gin.

23:35 <Tidus> i always thought gin was rather nasty

23:35 <Tidus> always preferred the captain myself.

23:35 <Rookie_69> Some people would say that's a good thing.

23:36 <Rookie_69> I drank too much rum when I was younger and tend to stay away from it now.

23:36 <Tidus> i rarely drink

23:36 <Tidus> only on special occasions

23:36 <Soul_keeper> which one of you is the roomba fanatic ?

23:37 <Soul_keeper>    check this out, impressive

23:37 <Rookie_69> ... although a bit mixed with egg nog at xmas is good.

23:37 <Romulus> Title: Meet Rovio (at

23:37 <Tidus> Rookie_69: captain and coke. that's what i usually drink when i drink

23:37 <Tidus> either that or i'll just get a 6 pack of beer

23:38 <Rookie_69> Battery acid would taste better to me...

23:38 <Soul_keeper> apparently sells at walmart for 300 bucks ...

23:38 <Tidus> so anybody know what happened to TheGasGiant or Spit_theDog ?

23:38 <Soul_keeper> they dissapeared like 2yrs ago i guess

23:39 <Rookie_69> &seen TheGasGiant

23:39 <Romulus> Rookie_69: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 12 weeks, 6 days, 17 hours, 45 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * TheGasGiant sneaks in

23:39 <Tidus> 3 months ago

23:39 <Tidus> &seen Spit_theDog

23:39 <Romulus> Tidus: Spit_theDog was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 35 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)

23:39 <Tidus> nearly two years.

23:39 <Rookie_69> Paul's been around, but Jan hasn't.

23:40 <Tidus> last time i talked to Jan, she was gracious enough to help me repair dually

23:40 <Rookie_69> I miss serenading Jan with Freddt Mercury tunes...

23:40 <Rookie_69> ... Freddy...

23:41 * Tidus switches the keys back around on Rookie_69's keyboard.

23:41 <Soul_keeper> TheGasGiant  was here talking about gpugrid in october

23:41 <Tidus> 22:33:33 up  2:28,  3 users,  load average: 1.01, 1.05, 1.01

23:41 <Tidus> i think that would work so much nicer than the 2.53 that kept locking up

23:41 <Tidus> soon as load average hit 1 it seemed.

23:42 <Rookie_69> I just assumed Paul was here when I was at work...

23:44 <Rookie_69> Jan apparently had a hard time with Peter's death, bit that only accounts for half of her time not being here, I think.

23:44 <Rookie_69> ...but...

23:45 <Rookie_69> Switch the rest back, will ya?

23:45 <Soul_keeper> i'm going to refuse to buy excessively power hungry hardware anymore

23:46 <Soul_keeper> these new nvidia video cards are just insanity

23:46 <Tidus> um... yeah?

23:46 <Tidus> heh...

23:46 <Soul_keeper> they have two 6 pin power connectors on them

23:46 <Soul_keeper> and the cards are even bigger than previous cards

23:47 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: that's why i like ati at present.

23:47 <Tidus> they're not as power hungry

23:48 <Rookie_69> ... but they don't boinc.

23:48 <Soul_keeper>

23:48 <Romulus> <> (at

23:48 <Tidus> yeah, i know... cuda

23:48 <Rookie_69> Lol.

23:49 <Soul_keeper> cuda is great and all, but it's just not worth it if they are gonna drawl all that power

23:49 <Soul_keeper> i think they'll need the 40nm shrink to compel me

23:49 <Tidus> ati's already on 45nm

23:49 <Soul_keeper> no they are on 55nm

23:49 <Tidus> too bad they don't have something comparable to cuda...

23:50 <Tidus> Soul_keeper: the 4850/70 are 55?

23:50 <Soul_keeper> nvidia just went to 55nm as well, but the power saving wasn't impressive

23:50 <Soul_keeper> Tidus, yeah

23:50 <Rookie_69> I used to prefer ATI... until I tried to get the extras working...

23:50 <Soul_keeper> 40nm  is apparently the next step for them

23:50 <Soul_keeper> sometime this year

23:51 <Soul_keeper> i like ati better in every way, except cuda/boinc (and that's a very big issue for me)

23:51 <Soul_keeper> time will likely fix that tho with opencl and what not

23:52 <Soul_keeper> but the power usage of nvidia's new cards basically makes them equivalent to buying a server

23:52 <Rookie_69> I worked hard to get an All-in-wonder remote to work then it just stopped and never worked since.

23:52 <Soul_keeper> i avoid those all-in-one things

23:53 <Tidus> i avoid all integrated stuff like that

23:53 <Tidus> preferring separate video / tv tuner

23:53 <Rookie_69> The video is fine, just the remote is garbage.

23:53 <Soul_keeper> i used to own an all-in-wonder ati card back in 1998    never got it working ....

23:53 <Tidus> last all-in-wonder i had was a radeon 9700

23:53 <Tidus> never again

23:53 <Soul_keeper> i agree

23:54 <Tidus> my media center box at the moment is using the integrated x200 video and a Hauppauge PVR-150 tv tuner

23:56 <Rookie_69> Win Media Edition updated itself and turned my Media center box into a... box.

23:57 <Rookie_69> I should reinstall it and see which update screwed it, but that's too much work.

23:58 <Rookie_69> It still crunches.

23:59 <Soul_keeper> think i'm gonna crash, got me a headache  ttyl

23:59 <Tidus> seeya Soul_keeper

23:59 <Rookie_69> It's past my bedtime too.

23:59 <Rookie_69> By a few hours.

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