IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-01-19

00:01 <MTughan> &cad

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00:15 <MTughan> Night all.

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03:28 <CoderForLife> plink

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03:40 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 19.5F / -6.9C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1004.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers. Highs in the upper 20s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 30 percent chance of snow showers. Lows 10 to 15. Northwest winds 5 to (1 more message)

03:40 <CoderForLife> &more

03:40 <Romulus> CoderForLife: 10 mph.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers in the morning...then partly sunny in the afternoon. Highs in the mid 20s. Northwest winds around 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent. Wind chill values as low as 2 below in the morning.; Special Weather Statement for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 AM EST on January 19, 2009;

03:40 <Tank_Master> &wx 97123

03:40 <Romulus> Tank_Master: Temperature: 39.9F / 4.4C | Humidity: 49% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1022.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the mid 20s to mid 30s. East wind 5 to 15 mph with local gusts to 25 mph...except 20 to 30 mph with gusts 40 to 50 mph near The Gorge.; Martin Luther King Jr Day - Sunny. Highs 45 to 50. East wind 5 to 15 (2 more messages)

03:40 <Tank_Master> &more

03:41 <Romulus> Tank_Master: mph with local gusts to 25 mph...except east 20 to 30 mph and gusts to 45 mph near The Gorge. Winds easing a bit in the afternoon.; Monday Night - Mostly clear. Patchy fog and freezing fog away from The Gorge late. Lows in the mid 20s to lower 30s. East wind 5 to 15 mph becoming light overnight...except east 15 to 30 mph near The Gorge.; Wind Advisory for Washington County in effect (1 more message)

03:41 <Tank_Master> &more

03:41 <Romulus> Tank_Master: until 12:00 PM PST on January 19, 2009;

03:43 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast-something-or-other

03:45 <Tidus> lol

03:48 <ELGono> finally back online

03:48 <Tank_Master> wb

03:49 <ELGono> will punish some admin today for not powering on box after finishing repairs in serverroom

03:49 <CoderForLife> b

03:49 <ELGono> 14h offline ;(

03:50 <Tank_Master> LOL

03:50 <ELGono> moo don

03:50 <Tidus> ouch

03:50 <CoderForLife> as if being an admin wasn't punishment enough

03:50 <ELGono> hehe

03:50 <ELGono> shutting down a computer by mistake costs a box of beer here

03:51 <CoderForLife> morning JR

03:51 <ELGono> not powering it up it again .... one box more ;)

03:51 <Tidus> those cases of beer get expensive if ya forget too many times :)

03:51 <ELGono> well i had to pay one, once

03:53 <CoderForLife> those pesky KVM switches can cause big mistakes

03:53 <Tank_Master> LOL

03:53 <Tank_Master> if your not carful or use a cheep one

03:53 <CoderForLife> we had one once cross-wired between server racks

03:59 <Tank_Master> esh

04:00 <Tank_Master> that can be bad

04:00 <CoderForLife> it was

04:00 <Tank_Master> anything important lost?

04:01 <CoderForLife> a little bit of data, and the productivity of about 800 people for 20 minutes

04:01 <Tidus> ouch

04:01 <Tank_Master> oh, is that all?

04:01 <Tank_Master> not as bad as my foobar in my first job

04:01 <CoderForLife> yeah, after the yelling by the CEO was over

04:02 <Tank_Master> was cleaning cases...

04:02 <Tank_Master> actidently turned off a comp with the resipies for the tool making wafers at Intel

04:02 <CoderForLife> we had to fix a couple of busted stock trades

04:02 <Tank_Master> ruind all the wafers int he chanber

04:03 <ELGono> hehe i once watched two crazy guy cutting a plate with an angle grinder in the serverroom.....

04:03 <ELGono> producing a white cloud of dust.... wich went directly into a cisco 6509

04:04 <Tidus> eek...

04:04 <ELGono> wich resulted in 3 universities in thuringia being offline for a day while cleaning the device

04:05 <ELGono> i'll never forget the face of main-admin ;)

04:06 <ELGono> dark-red screaming

04:06 <Tidus> :P

04:06 <Tidus> the moral of the story... do your metal-work OUTSIDE the server room

04:07 <ELGono> hehe i would say... don't let any stupid craftsman into your server-room

04:07 <Tidus> i mean, i feel at home with either woodworking tools or behind a keyboard. but don't mix the two

04:09 <ELGono> ;)but a  computer controlled mill is a nice thing for woodworking too

04:10 <Tidus> yeah

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04:39 <CoderForLife> bbiab

04:39 <Tank_Master> ok

04:54 <CoderForLife> back for the moment

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05:05 <CoderForLife> time for the shower - bbiab

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05:35 <CoderForLife> b

05:40 <CoderForLife> off to w@#% - laterz

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06:26 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:08 <hawmps> the heat wave continues...

07:50 <CoderForLife> the words "global warming" are no longer P.C. - it's now "climate change"

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08:17 <hawmps> uh-huh

08:21 <CoderForLife> any change - like "warmer than yesterday"

08:21 <PovAdct_w> X on home machine crashed two hours ago

08:21 <PovAdct_w> as usual, nvidia driver's fault

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09:55 <clusty> &social

09:55 <Romulus>

10:29 <hawmps> I should set up &antisocial

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10:46 <MTughan> 'lo zombie

10:46 <zombie67> hi MT

10:46 <zombie67> anyone have an invite code for ORE for me?

10:46 <MTughan> ORE?

10:46 <zombie67>

10:47 <Romulus> Title: Open Rendering Environment (ORE) (at

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11:24 <hawmps> something new?

11:25 <hawmps> PoV's project?

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11:38 <PovAdct_w> no

11:38 <PovAdct_w> finnish thing using BURP's code

11:38 <PovAdct_w> apparently Janus (BURP admin) was hired to work on it

11:50 <zombie67> from their RSS feed "Each invited user can then send five invites to any of their friends through an online form found on the website. "

11:51 <PovAdct_w> o rly

11:51 <zombie67> oops, wrong channel

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12:55 <MTughan> PovAdct_w:

12:55 <Romulus> <> (at

12:55 <MTughan> Says iPhone, but it should apply to the iPod touch too I would think.

12:58 <MTughan> O_O I got 12K on ABC yesterday...

12:58 <MTughan> By far the best value yet. Next is just over 10K.

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13:21 <Soul_keeper> ok

13:31 <PovAdct_w> what I'd like to know is if it's possible for an app to temporarily add extra words to the dictionary for a text field...

13:31 <PovAdct_w> so an IRC program can add the nicknames in the channel to the autocorrection for example

13:36 <Soul_keeper> anything is possible

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13:37 <PovAdct_w> ...if Apple lets you

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13:38 <Soul_keeper>   awesome chart

13:38 <Romulus> <> (at

13:38 <Soul_keeper> shows how much power current vid cards drawl

13:38 <PovAdct_w> O_O

13:38 <PovAdct_w> that's INSANE

13:39 <PovAdct_w> 500 wats a gpu? why would anyone use that -_-

13:39 <PovAdct_w> I think GPUs aren't faster than CPUs if you measure credits/watt

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13:41 <Soul_keeper> those are multi gpu setups with sli/cf

13:42 <Soul_keeper> but yeah i'm at the point where i don't want something pulling over 100 watts,  anymore is just insanity

13:42 <PovAdct_w> my card doesn't even support cuda

13:43 <PovAdct_w> and I'm NOT planning on upgrading, considering the recent increase in electricity bill

13:45 <Soul_keeper> haha

13:46 <Soul_keeper> that's what i'm looking at anymore, if i replace a peice of hardware i want it to consume less power than the previous peice

13:46 <Soul_keeper> they are saying intel's larrabee could take 300 watts now

13:50 <Tank_Master> wonder how much 3x295 is

13:51 <DerMeister> Looks like my GPU is too old to be listed in that chart :/

13:52 <Tank_Master> they say mine is 86w

13:52 <Soul_keeper> Tank_Master, 867watts

13:53 <Tank_Master> man o man thats a lot

13:53 <Soul_keeper>  going by this number and multiplying it by 3

13:53 <Romulus> <> (at

13:53 <Tank_Master> thik it would have 10x the performance of my 8800 512?

13:56 <Soul_keeper> 8800 has 112 SP and the  295 has 480 SP

13:56 <Soul_keeper> so 3x 480 = 1440 / 112 = 12.86

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13:57 <Soul_keeper> so yeah probably roughly 10x in realworld

13:57 <Soul_keeper> assuming that's an 8800GT

13:58 <Soul_keeper> but pulls 10x the power :)

13:58 <Soul_keeper> so performance/watt remains the same

13:59 <Tank_Master> hehe

14:00 <Soul_keeper> i was reading an article

14:00 <Tank_Master> its a 8800 gts 512MB though

14:00 <Soul_keeper> nvidia gpu's have not changed since geforce 8,  they are basically the same just more SP, and different clocks

14:01 <Soul_keeper> i think the gts has 96 SP   so not much different

14:01 <Soul_keeper> but more mem bandwidth

14:02 <Tank_Master> yeah

14:02 <Soul_keeper> the havn't released any new technology since the 8800 tho

14:02 <Tank_Master> someone the other day was adimate that my card series has overheating issues

14:02 <Soul_keeper> gt300 is supposed to be the next step

14:03 <Soul_keeper> doubtfull

14:03 <Tank_Master> I told him at 45C, yeah right

14:03 <Soul_keeper> nvidia engineers said on a forum post they can operate safely up to like 90+ C

14:03 <Tank_Master> "but be has 30 years of computer experence"

14:03 <Tank_Master> so?

14:03 <Romulus> Rumor has it so is iStat, Tank_Master

14:04 <Tank_Master> about the sam as CPUs then

14:04 <Soul_keeper> yeah

14:05 <Tank_Master> my core atm is at 65C

14:05 <Tank_Master> wichis is well under the 90C

14:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah "operate safely" could just mean they "won't fry"

14:06 <Soul_keeper> might get unstable tho

14:06 <Tank_Master> and the fan is only at 50%

14:06 <Tank_Master> yeah, I increase the fan speed

14:10 <Tank_Master> looks like at 100% I might get down to 55/56C

14:10 <Tank_Master> but its not worth the noise

14:11 <Tank_Master> and I figure if there was a serious issue, it would have been brought up in the gpugrid forums

14:12 <Soul_keeper> sounds about the same as my card

14:12 <Soul_keeper> i run the fan speed at 100% all the time

14:12 <Tank_Master> what do you have?

14:12 <Soul_keeper> 9800GT   the same as a 8800GT

14:12 <Tank_Master> ah

14:12 <Tank_Master> i say some 280s for arounf $300

14:13 <Tank_Master> to bad I have to get a new powersupply first

14:13 <Soul_keeper> yeah they just aren't worth it

14:13 <Soul_keeper> my card is running at 60C right now

14:13 <Tank_Master> about the same as mine at 66%

14:14 <Soul_keeper> 40nm will be out this year, possibly by summer

14:14 <Tank_Master> I think the bfg o/c bords have a better heatsink on them

14:14 <Tank_Master> then some other brands

14:14 <Soul_keeper> mine has the 2 slot "dust devil" design

14:14 <Soul_keeper> noise don't bother me

14:17 <Tank_Master> lol at dust devil

14:18 <MTughan> The dual-slot design is better for internal heat management.

14:18 <MTughan> Instead of the heat from the GPU being dumped back into the case for the CPU and PSU to remove, it's exhausted right out.

14:18 <Tank_Master> right

14:18 <Tank_Master> thats how mine is

14:18 <BadBarbarian> my 8600 gt 1gig ddr3 is running about 55c oced to the max

14:18 <MTughan> Also allows a bigger fan, which can be quieter.

14:18 <MTughan> BadBarbarian: Idle or load?

14:19 <BadBarbarian> load

14:19 <Tank_Master> sucks air from in the case and blows it out the back

14:19 <Tank_Master> BB!

14:19 <BadBarbarian> hey

14:19 <MTughan> Nice... My 4870 gets a lot hotter on load.

14:19 <Tank_Master> howdy

14:19 <MTughan> I'm at 53C idle ATM, although it's quiter than the CPU fan.

14:20 <BadBarbarian> i do have a very good case with 2 very very large fans + my big typhoon

14:20 <BadBarbarian> the only outlet fan is the ps

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14:21 <MTughan> I've got 3x 120mm fans, 1x 200mm fan, and a 92mm CPU fan, along with the GPU and PSU fan.

14:21 <MTughan> 2x 120mm for input, and a 120, 200, and the PSU fan for exhaust. The Antec Nine Hundred, if you're wondering.

14:21 * Hodapp -> GPU 55 C at full load, CPU 30 C at full load

14:22 <MTughan> Hodapp: Water cooling?

14:22 <Hodapp> No.

14:22 <Hodapp> Zalman

14:22 <MTughan> What's your ambient?

14:22 <Hodapp> stock fan an GPU (9800 GT)

14:22 <BadBarbarian> crunching ??

14:22 <Hodapp> I dunno, I'm not gonna stop my CPU/GPU for you to see :P

14:22 <BadBarbarian> wow

14:22 <Hodapp> idle is prolly about 40-45 C on the GPU

14:23 <MTughan> Because my GPU can get around 85+ celsius, and CPU is at 57-66C, depending on which core you look at.

14:23 <MTughan> Although I need more cool air in here... I can probably bring that temp down to around 55C on the hottest core.

14:23 <Hodapp> meh.

14:23 <BadBarbarian> i run 59 to 55c crunching seti

14:23 <MTughan> Oh, and my TIM cleaner came today, so I can reseat the CPU fan. I think I broke it a couple days ago.

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14:24 <MTughan> Whoops... Gotta get to class. bbl

14:27 <Tank_Master> hf

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15:13 <hawmps> almost made it above freezing today...

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15:22 <efc> moo

15:26 <ELGono> &weather meiningen,germany

15:26 <Romulus> ELGono: Temperature: 43°F / 6°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.18in / 988hPa | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 9:20 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:41 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:24 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:21 F.;

15:26 <ELGono> rain on melting snow

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15:49 <FreeLarry58> slippery icy slush then ELGono

15:49 <FreeLarry58> like i had just after xmas

15:52 <FreeLarry58> &wx 98366

15:52 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Temperature: 45.4F / 7.4C | Humidity: 94% | Pressure: 30.34in / 1027.3hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny...except patchy morning fog and low clouds. Highs in the 40s to lower 50s. Light wind.; Tonight - Clear. Patchy fog after midnight. Lows in the upper 20s to mid 30s. Light wind.; Tuesday - Sunny...except patchy (1 more message)

15:52 <FreeLarry58> &more

15:52 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: morning fog and low clouds. Highs in the 40s. Light wind.; Air Stagnation Advisory for Kitsap County in effect until 10:00 PM PST on January 20, 2009;

15:53 <efc> moo FreeLarry

15:55 <Soul_keeper> &wx 91977

15:55 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 79.5F / 26.4C | Humidity: 23% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 7.6mph / 12.2km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly cloudy. Highs 81 to 86 in the western valleys to 76 to 81 near the foothills. Winds east 15 mph in the morning becoming light.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows 47 to 57. Light winds.; Tuesday - (1 more message)

15:56 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:56 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.30in / 992hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSE | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h | Updated: 9:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:39 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:37 F.; Chance of Rain. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Rain. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.;

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16:00 <xcamel_> re-hi

16:01 <efc> moo xcamel

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16:01 <efc> I've searched 3 counties now for 6" sonotube..

16:06 <xcamel_> how long?

16:06 <Romulus> hmm... how long is that, xcamel_

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16:06 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

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16:06 <efc> 4 feet

16:06 <PovAddict> Romulus: that's what she said

16:06 <Romulus> PovAddict: Are you daft?

16:07 <xcamel> see here... you'll be much happier...

16:07 * efc wacks PovAddict with a 4 foot tube

16:07 <xcamel>

16:07 <Romulus> <> (at

16:08 <xcamel> nutz.. I thought they had 6"

16:09 <efc> at $310 for 4", its not looking so economical

16:09 <efc> I'm sure its awesome stuff, though

16:12 <xcamel> go back to the 1/2" birch

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16:13 <efc> Whats wrong with the Sonotube? The no-name tube at lowe's/H.D. was sturdy enough, just the wrong size, and Sonotube is probably sturdier.

16:14 <efc> (it was "Quiktube")

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16:23 <FreeLarry58> moo efc

16:23 <FreeLarry58> morn xcamel PovAddict and all

16:23 <MTughan> 'lo FL

16:23 <FreeLarry58> morn MTughan

16:23 <xcamel> you might want to check local machine shops for 6" industrial tubing cuts and scraps - or a scrapyard..

16:24 <xcamel> even metals recyclers

16:24 * FreeLarry58 scratches head wondering what efc needs 6" length of carbon tube needed for

16:25 <xcamel> telescope main tube

16:25 <FreeLarry58> ahh

16:25 <xcamel> also..

16:25 <xcamel>

16:25 <MTughan> All right, got my TIM cleaner and LED strips... Although the LED strips are longer than expected. I might need to mount them diaganally.

16:25 <Romulus> Title: ATM's Resource List - Telescope Making - Supplies for Mirror Making and Telescope Building (at

16:27 <FreeLarry58> making a high end telescope - not for peeping on neighbors

16:27 <FreeLarry58> ;0

16:30 <xcamel> spork >> << webmail hack

16:31 <wdsmia>

16:31 <Romulus> <> (at

16:31 <efc> its not high end yet, but it looks like it will end up that way

16:32 <efc> i will incorporate it into CFL's wall

16:33 <FreeLarry58> lol

16:34 <FreeLarry58> humm those interesting numbers wdsmia

16:37 <xcamel> indeed - but seeing lhc never gives out enough work to make it sweat... why bother...

16:38 <wdsmia> 2 cores on LHC the other 6 on another proj :)

16:38 <MTughan> You mean one core on LHC, the other three on another project. ;)

16:39 <wdsmia> true

16:39 <wdsmia> 1 ht core on LHC

16:39 <FreeLarry58> lol yeah getting a few lhc currently but not many

16:39 <MTughan> BTW, how does HT work on the i7? Giving some good numbers?

16:39 <DerMeister> that's a nice monster:

16:39 <Romulus> <> (at

16:40 <MTughan> 28GB of memory?

16:40 <wdsmia>

16:40 <Romulus> <> (at

16:40 <MTughan> &math 3070 / 1024

16:40 <Romulus> MTughan: 2.998046875

16:40 <MTughan> Oh, duh... 3GB. :)

16:41 <wdsmia> just got it give me a chance to build it up

16:41 <MTughan> Heh.

16:41 <DerMeister> Well, judging from the rac of this machine it does more work in one day than I do in two months...

16:42 <FreeLarry58> DerMeister that machine seems to have a lot of comp errors tho

16:43 <DerMeister> that explains the "low" rac. that user obviously has another machine of this type with an rac above 7,000.

16:44 <FreeLarry58> yeah

16:44 <DerMeister> Currently I need almost half a year for 7,000 credits... :/

16:44 * MTughan is getting about 9000 credits/day.

16:44 <FreeLarry58> humm just had a 14000 credit day on abc yesterday

16:44 <FreeLarry58> thats almost a new record for me

16:45 <FreeLarry58> but many machines

16:45 <MTughan> Seems ABC had a high yesterday then... Struck gold with 12K+ on ABC yesterday. Record for me too.

16:45 <FreeLarry58> yeah my pending dropped to alomost 7100 now back over 8000

16:45 <DerMeister> According to boincstats I've never had more than 966 credits on a single day

16:46 <MTughan> I've move the quad over to WCG for the time being. I'm lagging there, considering it's my team's main project.

16:46 <FreeLarry58> just one machine DerMeister that ain't bad but you might want a second

16:47 <DerMeister> No, not just one.

16:47 <DerMeister> Currently I have only two but about a year ago I had a third one running and my brother's desktop although donated some idle time to boinc.

16:48 <FreeLarry58> only 9 active currently

16:48 <Romulus> <> (at

16:48 <DerMeister> However, none of these machines is/was running 24/7...

16:48 <FreeLarry58> 8 here in house 1 at brother in laws house

16:48 <MTughan>

16:49 <Romulus> <> (at

16:49 <FreeLarry58> ahh all mine run 24/7

16:49 <DerMeister> Well, boincstats lists even 11 hosts for me - but some of them are duplicates.

16:49 <MTughan> Only 2/3 of those machines are running. The variable number because one shows up twice, under Vista and Win7.

16:50 <MTughan> Oops, 3/4 machines... Forgot my roommate's laptop.

16:50 <DerMeister> well: these are mine:

16:50 <Romulus> <> (at

16:50 <DerMeister> all those 2.4GHz P4s are a single machine - as well as the Pentium Ms...

16:51 <MTughan> You've never tried merging them?

16:51 <xcamel> I think I have 13 working on it...

16:52 <FreeLarry58> lol undrstand DerMeister - to merge think he would have to attach to 2 or more projects at same time so the cpid sync

16:52 <DerMeister> MTughan: no, because most of them were created by using different clients (synecdoche and boinc). They would re-appear after merging unless I throw away one of the clients

16:52 <FreeLarry58> think i have 9 active

16:53 <MTughan> Heh, funny... My Vista machine is still getting credit even though it hasn't crunched for probably about 3 days now.

16:53 <MTughan> Or maybe longer, I don't remember.

16:53 <DerMeister> FreeLarry58: that wouldn't be a problem - almost all of these clients are attached to about five projects

16:53 <xcamel> someone please explain to me what "sign of douche" is?

16:53 <FreeLarry58> yeah haven't crunched einstein for a while but still have close to 2000 pending

16:54 <FreeLarry58> at same time?

16:54 <xcamel> being sarcastic, of course...

16:54 * FreeLarry58 hot water bottle with dripping attachment?

16:54 <xcamel> well... synecdoche

16:55 <xcamel> you figure it out...

16:55 <FreeLarry58> hummmm

16:55 <DerMeister> FreeLarry58: well, it *should* sync itself as soon the client is attached to almost all my projects. However, as a last resort I could still manually edit the host id

16:55 <FreeLarry58> &google synecdoche

16:55 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Search took 0.13 seconds: Synecdoche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Synecdoche , New York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <,_New_York>; Synecdoche , New York (2008): <>; YouTube - SYNECDOCHE , NEW YORK : Official Trailer -- HD: (2 more messages)

16:57 <efc> is offering to sell me Obama collectible plates for $9.99

16:58 <efc> time to click "this is junk" on thunderbird

16:58 <FreeLarry58> xcamel was new term to me so took a look

16:58 <Romulus> Title: Synecdoche - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at

16:59 <FreeLarry58> so most of us use it everyday and just don't realize it

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17:02 <xcamel> "metaphor" is so much easier though

17:04 <MTughan> Look at the credit/day graph. I only see up to Jan 14.

17:04 <Romulus> <> (at

17:05 <MTughan> Anyone else see it? I just posted to the BS forums about it.

17:06 <DerMeister> Seems to work correctly for my hosts

17:07 <MTughan> Do you only see up until January 14th for that host though?

17:09 <MTughan> Oops... I posted in a starred thread...

17:10 <DerMeister> Four your host, yes. January 14th the latest day in the graphs.

17:10 <MTughan> Hmm... Even though the thread was starred, the image presented as example only goes to Jan 14 too.

17:12 <FreeLarry58> yeah not the first time his charts bog down on updates - last time it took a few days to get corrected and updated

17:12 <FreeLarry58> think his processors getting overloaded

17:13 <FreeLarry58> at least daily updates showing on bottom

17:13 <MTughan> Yeah, the text is easy enough to generate. The images are more computationally-intensive, and that's even without AA.

17:14 <PovAddict> not really

17:14 <PovAddict> I bet DB load from fetching the data is more than CPU load from drawing the image

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17:14 <MTughan> Oh, possibly...

17:14 <PovAddict> it's a giant DB

17:15 <MTughan> Well, I posted in a starred thread about it... We'll see what Willy does.

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17:41 <xcamel> some parts of the net are damned slow tonight?

17:42 <xcamel> tidbit... Edgar Allan Poe at 200

17:42 <MTughan> That's possible... Some people in another channel are complaining they can't get a site they're working on up quickly, but I can get it fine.

17:42 <xcamel> I thought someone said a big pipe in the southland went down this morning

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17:59 <Soul_keeper>   everything looks fine here :)

17:59 <Romulus> Title: Net!@#& Overview /// Internet Traffic Report (at

18:09 <xcamel> some domains really have the anchor tossed out...

18:09 <Tidus> gotta love sarcastic kernel devs...

18:09 <Tidus> SFF is the legacy IDE interface that has been around since              ? ? the dawn of time.

18:13 <xcamel> older than ESDI?

18:13 <xcamel> older than MFM

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18:15 <xcamel> 'lo z

18:15 <zombie67> hi

18:15 <PovAddict> &google calc 24743387 bytes + 244849754 bytes + 78334914 byets

18:15 <Romulus> PovAddict: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.

18:16 <PovAddict> &google calc 24743387 bytes + 244849754 bytes + 78334914 bytes

18:16 <Romulus> PovAddict: (24 743 387 bytes) + (244 849 754 bytes) + (78 334 914 bytes) = 331.81005 megabytes

18:21 <CoderForLife> hello all

18:21 * KathrynM yawns

18:22 <CoderForLife> hello KathrynM

18:22 * CoderForLife *dares* to hit the tab key

18:23 * PovAddict is deleting packages off his system

18:24 <PovAddict> PPPoE... nope, I use ethernet to a NAT router

18:24 * PovAddict marks ppp, pppconfig, pppoeconf, wvdial for removal

18:24 <PovAddict> no bluetooth hardware on this machine

18:24 <KathrynM> freeing up disk space?

18:24 * PovAddict deletes bluez-*

18:24 <PovAddict> KathrynM: yup, I'm up to a whole 1.6GB free!

18:24 <PovAddict> ...maybe I should just go buy a disk

18:25 <KathrynM> well, you are w*@&ing these days

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18:29 <CoderForLife> w@#%, ugh

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18:29 <KathrynM> defintely ugh

18:29 <CoderForLife> I just escaped from there

18:29 <MTughan__> Ugh? I just burned out my new PSU...

18:29 <CoderForLife> late day conference call

18:29 <PovAddict> why do I have koffice-doc-en if I don't have koffice?

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18:30 <xcamel> 'lo Don

18:30 <MTughan> Seems the LED light control is improperly grounded... I touched the PSU, and zap.

18:30 <MTughan> Gone.

18:30 <KathrynM> I'm getting ready to go there

18:30 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

18:30 <MTughan> It*

18:30 <xcamel> poofage on the PSU

18:30 <Tidus> PovAddict: it might be in there due to something from kde-pim having its docs in there

18:31 <CoderForLife> PunSU

18:31 <PovAddict> I marked it for deletion and nobody complained

18:31 <PovAddict> = no installed package depended on it

18:31 <Tidus> hm.

18:31 <PovAddict> so gone it will be

18:32 <Tidus> PovAddict: what distro is this?

18:32 <PovAddict> Kubuntu

18:32 <Tidus> ah.

18:32 <PovAddict> I'd install Debian directly

18:32 <PovAddict> but

18:32 <CoderForLife> the destro distro

18:32 <Tidus> ew. no. *cough*vomit*

18:32 <PovAddict> need the new disk *first*

18:33 <Tidus> PovAddict: the debian netinstall disk is roughly 70mb

18:33 <PovAddict> so?

18:33 <Romulus> Rumor has it so is iStat, PovAddict

18:33 <Tidus> forget so

18:33 <Romulus> I hear ya.

18:41 <PovAddict> someone told me he cleaned up his packages by marking EVERYTHING for deletion

18:41 <PovAddict> then unmarking packages he knew he needed (and its dependencies)

18:41 <PovAddict> way too tedious though

18:45 <Tidus> what i normally do on any debian based distro is just start with the 'server' install, which installs just the base system, no X, no nothing

18:45 <Tidus> then install what i need on top of that

18:51 <CoderForLife> this is "domain name renewal night" for me - need to focus on the ones I want to keep, and add some new ones to my portfolio

18:52 <CoderForLife> i.e., spend money

18:52 <KathrynM> have fun

18:53 <PovAddict> my ipod has more free space than my Linux partition

18:53 <PovAddict> -.-

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19:17 <KathrynM> off to the germ factory

19:17 <Tidus> yay

19:18 <xcamel>

19:18 <Romulus> <> (at

19:18 <xcamel> Smallest known exoplanet may actually be Earth-mass

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19:41 <PovAddict> &currency convert 45 USD ARS

19:41 <Romulus> PovAddict: 45.00 usd = 155.59 ars

19:44 <PovAddict> &currency convert 200 ARS USD

19:45 <Romulus> PovAddict: 200.00 ars = 57.84 usd

19:52 <xcamel> great video (fireball)

19:52 <xcamel>

19:52 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Amazing Fireball hits Southern Scandinavia 17 Jan 09 !! (at

19:57 <MTughan> All right, I'm pretty sure now my PSU is toast. Not literally.

19:59 <MTughan> Anyone know how long you should wait for capacitors to discharge before opening a power supply?

20:00 <wdsmia> new box is running like greased lightning :)

20:01 <efc> in TVs, I believe it can take days or more.

20:01 <xcamel> i7 ?

20:01 <Romulus> I guess i7 is the name fo rhte desktop varent, xcamel

20:01 <FreeLarry58> depends on cap sizes MTughan and if discharge path available

20:01 <FreeLarry58> else use shorting probe and discharge to ground

20:01 <MTughan> Should it be plugged in, but turned off?

20:02 <CoderForLife> well - nuf42nite

20:02 <FreeLarry58> turn comp off not just shutdown

20:02 <MTughan> Also, I figured out what happened. The PCI bracket on the switch touched a heatsink in the PSU, and it shorted to the case.

20:02 <CoderForLife> "24" comes on in about an hour

20:02 <CoderForLife> gn all

20:02 <xcamel> laterz..

20:02 <MTughan> The PSU case, that is, I don't know about the outside case.

20:02 <FreeLarry58> most will discharge within an hour - if in hurry use screwdriver to short to case ground

20:03 <FreeLarry58> con be done from the +VdC side to ground

20:03 <MTughan> I don't think I have an electrically insulated screwdriver...

20:03 <FreeLarry58> but may loose rail if you try from jack

20:03 <FreeLarry58> handle on most screwdrives enough as not dealing with high voltages

20:04 <MTughan> I'm wondering if I should attempt this... Problem is that I don't know what happened fully.

20:04 <FreeLarry58> if open ps case go from +side of cap to ground

20:04 <MTughan> Whether I blew the PSU, or the MB.

20:05 <FreeLarry58> ugg can be hard - can you get reading from ps? if so how does waveform look like

20:05 <FreeLarry58> you may have lost part of filter

20:05 <MTughan> I can't turn it on.

20:05 <FreeLarry58> disconnect from mb and accessories completely then try to turn on

20:05 <MTughan> Whether I don't have enough load outside of the motherboard, or what. I've tried connecting two LED strips, an external panel, and 4 fans, but nothing.

20:06 <FreeLarry58> if it has a shorting connection may have to short it to get ps on

20:06 <FreeLarry58> some ps needed it as hookup on mb header

20:06 <MTughan> I used some directions from the internet for running water cooling without turning on the computer. Said to short the green Power On wire with ground. I tried that.

20:07 <FreeLarry58> still no output? if so the ps blew fuse most likely

20:07 <MTughan> How much load does a PSU need to turn on? Anything?

20:07 <FreeLarry58> fuse located internally on board

20:08 <FreeLarry58> 0 but need path

20:08 <MTughan> What does that mean?

20:08 <FreeLarry58> no load required - green grounding wire supposed to signal good to go

20:08 <MTughan> Yep... I meant about needing a path.

20:09 <FreeLarry58> all volatge regulation is internal to ps (to some degree)

20:10 <MTughan> Also, if a fuse did blow, is that replaceable? I figure the warranty is gone anyways, so I'm not worrying about that.

20:11 <FreeLarry58> screwdriver shorting probe can be easily made - take a length of wire and wrap bare copper around driver shaft - attach aligator clip to other end to allow attachment to ground and use blade of screwdriver to touch + terminal of caps

20:11 <FreeLarry58> most are but some require desoldering

20:11 <MTughan> Yeah, the warranty's gone... Just checked PCP&C's site.

20:12 <FreeLarry58> if you lucky fuse blew before ic components got damaged

20:17 <MTughan> Hmm, that's interesting... Just took the cover off, making sure I didn't touch anything inside.

20:17 <PovAddict> everything is black?

20:17 <PovAddict> :P

20:17 <MTughan> The case is connected to the ground, so I would think the power that was in the heatsink would've just rushed to the ground. Is that the right thinking?

20:18 <MTughan> PovAddict: The fan is. :P

20:19 <MTughan> FreeLarry58?

20:19 <Romulus> hmm... FreeLarry58 is here, MTughan

20:20 <FreeLarry58> heatsink not really for power storage but idea same - ground potential

20:21 <MTughan> I know it's not for storage, but if it were touching any components like that, it would be energized all the same. Correct?

20:21 <FreeLarry58> not really - it could be used as ground point

20:22 <MTughan> But if I basically just connected the heatsink to the ground, I could understand if it turned off, but would it blow anything>

20:22 <MTughan> ? *

20:22 <FreeLarry58> the SCR's would be attached to it for heat transfer but heatsink should have to + or - reading as to be at ground potential

20:22 <jasong> I just found more proof that being a multi-millionaire doesn't mean you're good in your field.

20:23 <jasong> You can't turn off the Wii remote unless the box is already turned on.

20:23 * FreeLarry58 holds pocket open for jasong to have multi-millionares drop thier spare change into it

20:23 <efc> Is it just me or is google getting less effective lately..

20:24 <jasong> So if you turn off the box using the switch, the remote stays on until you turn the Wii BACK on, then you turn off the remote and the box too

20:24 <FreeLarry58> information overload - or just too many people using to many keywords for items

20:25 <PovAddict> efc: blame blogs

20:25 <PovAddict> who quote each other all the time

20:25 <FreeLarry58> ugg that sounds too complicated for me jasong - maybe one reason dont have a Wii here

20:25 <FreeLarry58> jasong myself i would probably just remove remotes batteries if wanted to make sure off

20:26 <jasong> lol, I wasn't stating it as a good method, I was stating it to show how the Nintendo people aren't as smart as we're supposed to think they are

20:26 <efc> yes, and the link farm pages that seem to be getting better at swarming with semi-relevant but un-helpful information

20:27 * FreeLarry58 google kind of reminds me of old search program used in service called Haystack

20:27 <FreeLarry58> but that was limited to internal DB's

20:28 <jasong> Perhaps Google could come up with a button to click if the results are totally non-relevant.  They'd give you a simple test to make sure you understand, and then just let you loose

20:28 <MTughan> I'm just thinking that it might be easier, although not necessarily cheaper, to just replace the PSU.

20:28 <wdsmia> press to test release to detonate

20:28 <FreeLarry58> i found it so MTughan

20:29 <jasong> So, a Nazi page, even though offensive to most, might not be non-relevant, so it shouldn't get a non-vote, which is the type of thing they'd be teaching

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20:29 * jasong is high on caffiene and a little unstable right now

20:29 <efc> Wonder how they are beating PageRank in the first place. Extensive cross linking, I guess.

20:29 <FreeLarry58> jasong you would need more than just word Nazi in search to quantify relavancy

20:29 <PovAddict> jasong: Google does have something like that

20:29 <jasong> How do I use it?

20:30 <jasong> Is it those arrows they show?

20:30 <MTughan> The problem is that I don't have enough money to replace it... At least with the same model.

20:30 <FreeLarry58> use a phrase

20:30 <efc> I would think that a couple of Google employees looking for that full time would keep it to a minimum

20:30 <FreeLarry58> or write a question

20:30 <PovAddict> jasong: but you have to login, and being logged in while on search means you're giving away even more privacy to them than usual

20:30 <jasong> ahhh, nice

20:31 <FreeLarry58> &google Prewar Nazi Youth Organizations

20:31 <Romulus> FreeLarry58: Search took 0.27 seconds: When the War was Over: Women, War , and Peace in Europe, 1940-1956: <>; Meeting of Representatives of International Youth Organizations ...: (3 more messages)

20:31 <jasong> What about that DC supported search engine?  does anyone have an opinion on that?

20:31 <FreeLarry58> humm haven't tried one that i know off

20:31 <PovAddict> depspid tried to do something like that IIRC

20:32 <PovAddict> and Google *is* distributed computing :)

20:32 <PovAddict> except it's all internal machines

20:32 <jasong> Majestic-12 is what I'm talking about

20:32 <jasong> any opinions on that?

20:33 <jasong> Not the government thing, something else

20:33 <PovAddict> all I found is UFO stuff

20:33 <PovAddict> ah there it is

20:34 <PovAddict> hmm I've seen it before :o

20:36 <PovAddict> ew, .NET

20:36 <xcamel> larry...

20:37 <PovAddict> lol

20:38 <jasong> Yeah, I guess he just wanted the extra Linux user bandwidth with as little hassle as possible

20:38 <xcamel> (Adams admits...)

20:38 <Romulus> Title: - Portland, Oregon (at

20:38 <PovAddict> huh? using .NET *adds* hassle for Linux users

20:39 <jasong> No, I mean less hassle for HIM

20:39 <jasong> Of course, I don't understand programming, so I could be wrong

20:39 <xcamel> ".not" for linux

20:39 <PovAddict> ah sure :P

20:40 <jasong> See, if all you want to do is get something working, as opposed to working well, then the way you decide to do things is going to be different

20:40 <jasong> So, he probably started out by making a Window

20:41 <jasong> s thing, and then said, "Hey, i can grab some lInux users," and did minimum labor to get it working on Linux

20:41 <jasong> just my opinion

20:43 <jasong> Wow, I never realized it, but a lower-case l is bigger tahn a capital I

20:43 <jasong> Il

20:43 <jasong> Weird, I'd think it'd be the other way around

20:43 <MTughan> Depends on the font. I is bigger than l here.

20:44 <jasong> Caffeine's wearing off, sanity should be at normal level within the next 15 minutes.(I'm half-joking and half not)

20:44 <jasong> It's like booze, you have to wait until a while AFTER you feel normal before you're truly normal

20:45 <jasong> (Not that I

20:45 <jasong> 've ever been normal

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20:47 <jasong> Hey, I just saw My Bloody Valentine, and I'm wondering something... If you put a turkey in a sanitized clothes dryer, is it possible to cook it enough to not have to worry about food poisoning?

20:47 <xcamel> it would never get hot enough

20:48 <jasong> ah, ok, so the police dude probably wouldn't be safe to eat either

20:48 <jasong> just kidding

20:48 <xcamel> it might turn into 'turkey jerky' though

20:48 <MTughan> bbl

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20:49 <jasong> It would probably turn to mush before it turned to turkey jerky, unless you turned off the spinning

20:50 <xcamel> pretty much how a 'meat dryer' works (not the similarity...)

20:50 <xcamel> er 'note' even

20:50 * efc does understand why horror movies go with Valentines Day

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20:54 <MTughan> Who knew that I'd be falling back to Windows for something?

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21:06 <PovAddict> "Disbelief in magic can force a poor soul into believing in government and business."

21:11 <xcamel> good line except it's "Disbelief in the black arts can force a poor soul into believing in government and business."

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21:55 <xcamel> nytol..

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22:05 <jasong> I've always thought that being involved in government and politics meant you were either into the black arts or being influenced by them ;)

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23:59 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

23:59 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 28F / -2C | Humidity: 75% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1005hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. Snow likely this evening. Total snow accumulation of 1 to 3 inches. Lows around 20. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 60 percent.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. Highs around 30. North winds 10 to 15 mph.; (1 more message)

23:59 <XioNYC> &more

23:59 <Romulus> XioNYC: Tuesday Night - Mostly cloudy in the evening...then becoming partly cloudy. Lows around 20. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph.;

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