IRC logs of #boinc for Wednesday, 2009-01-21

00:01 <Tidus> i want less cold.

00:12 <Soul_keeper> i need rain so i can mow the yard

00:13 <Soul_keeper> havn't mowed it in over a year now ...

00:13 <Soul_keeper> it's never cold here, just dry

00:16 <Soul_keeper> you do any gpu computing Tidus ?

00:20 <MTughan> http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/sillies.php?d=20090114

00:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/6tgptf> (at www.ctrlaltdel-online.com)

00:20 <MTughan> I guess being the Grim Reaper has its benefits... xD

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01:02 <efc> &wx 31088

01:02 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 24F / -4C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.13in / 1020hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 10mph / 17km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows around 20. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Wednesday - Sunny. Highs in the mid 40s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Wednesday Night - Clear. Lows in the mid 20s. Light and variable winds.; Fire Weather Warning, Fire Weather Watch (1 more message)

01:02 <efc> &more

01:02 <Romulus> efc: for Houston County in effect until 6:00 PM EST on January 22, 2009;

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04:13 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

04:13 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 17.2F / -8.2C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.78in / 1008.4hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs around 30. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Thursday - Mostly sunny. Warmer with highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph.;

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04:45 <CoderForLife> brb   breakfast

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05:17 <CoderForLife> time to get ready for w@#%

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05:39 <clusty> hoy ppl

05:39 <clusty> long time no see

05:45 <CoderForLife> hi clusty

05:45 <xcamel> 'lo...by..

05:45 <CoderForLife> bye Jay

05:45 <CoderForLife> hi KathrynM

05:46 <clusty> so whats cooking lately?

05:46 <CoderForLife> w@#%ing for a living

05:46 <CoderForLife> how about you

05:47 <clusty> same i presume...

05:47 <CoderForLife> you make a living presuming?  =)

05:47 <clusty> but my chain will be loosened quite a bit :D

05:48 <CoderForLife> heh

05:48 <clusty> no more 9-5 for me

05:48 <clusty> :D

05:48 <clusty> gonna work from home for the same guys

05:48 <clusty> on my own hours

05:48 <CoderForLife> cool

05:48 <CoderForLife> I work 4:00am to 9:00pm weekdays

05:48 <clusty> holly molly

05:49 <clusty> that is really rough

05:49 <clusty> the perks better be good...

05:49 <CoderForLife> then I really step it up on weekends

05:49 <clusty> so you are the live to work type of guy i guess

05:49 <clusty> :D

05:50 <CoderForLife> sometimes greatness is thrust upon us

05:50 <CoderForLife> I think that's Shakespeare after a fashion

05:50 <CoderForLife> well....    off to w@#%

05:51 <clusty> adioso

05:51 <CoderForLife> (surprise)

05:51 <CoderForLife> laterz

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05:55 <CoderForLife> "Be not afraid of greatness; some are born great, some achieve greatness, and others have greatness thrust upon them." William Shakespeare

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06:02 <KathrynM> http://technologizer.com/2009/01/19/ataris-1984-touch-tablet-a-retro-unboxing/

06:02 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/97qxnn> (at technologizer.com)

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07:08 <hawmps> re-hi

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07:16 <yang> In climateprediction I am unable to select another profile for computer than default, I have created also work profile

07:24 <yang> found it

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10:34 <hawmps> hmm...

10:35 <hawmps> FYI: do not apply firmware updates to seagate > 300 GB drives... you **will** brick it.

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10:35 <jackygrahamez> hi

10:35 <hawmps> 'lo Jack

10:35 <jackygrahamez> hi hawmps

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10:42 <hawmps> you missed: FYI: do not apply firmware updates to seagate > 300 GB drives... you **will** brick it.

10:46 <DerMeister> Hm... just one of these drives has more space than *all* my harddrives together...

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10:59 <hawmps> imaging some IT dweeb doing that to a 10TB corporate array...

11:04 <jackygrahamez> I met Obama http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff358/jackygrahamez/011909_221612.jpg

11:04 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/9qcd7l> (at i539.photobucket.com)

11:05 <jackygrahamez> :-)

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11:26 <Tank_Master> lol jacky :P

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11:34 <PovAdct_w> photoshopped

11:34 <Tank_Master> duh

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12:50 <jackygrahamez> Close, actually a cardboard cut-out

13:03 <MTughan> All right, I found the broken fuse in the PSU...

13:04 <MTughan> I've got to go, but I'll leave this question: does F12AH./250V mean anything in terms of fuses?

13:05 <wdsmia_w> ROFL

13:12 <hawmps> 12amp/250volts (common fuse)

13:13 <hawmps> under a buck at Radio Shack

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13:26 <MTughan_> Hmm, lappie must've gone to sleep...

13:32 <PovAdct_w> did you see hawmps's answer?

13:33 <MTughan_> 12A/250V.

13:33 <PovAdct_w> "under a buck at Radio Shack"

13:33 <MTughan_> I can confirm it's that fuse that blew. I jumped it with a wire, worked.

13:33 <MTughan_> Yep.

13:33 <PovAdct_w> do you think you could replace it yourself?

13:34 <MTughan_> I'd have to unsolder it, but yes.

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14:07 <MTughan> All right, I've decided I

14:08 <MTughan> ..'m just gonna scrap this PSU now... putting in a wire, I was careless, and touched hot to ground with my pliers. Large spark, and I was a bit tingly afterwards.

14:08 <MTughan> It still works, but I've shocked this PSU twice, and almost myself the second time, and I figure I shouldn't be poking around in one for a while.

14:11 <MTughan> At least I know what happened though, and it is the power supply that died.

14:12 <hawmps> correction... you just killed it.

14:14 <MTughan> No, it still works. I tried it very carefully after the big spark, and it'll still power 12V.

14:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:15 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 100% | Pressure: 29.77in / 1008hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Clear. High:41 F.; Clear. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.;

14:16 <MTughan> I figure after that one though, it was close enough to components and big enough that I'm not going to risk powering up my system with it.

14:17 <MTughan> New PSU, fully tested and warranted: $150. Fix old PSU, no warranty, possible fire hazard: <$1.

14:17 <MTughan> I'll take the safe route, thanks.

14:21 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm off to C/C++ class. And all in one piece.

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15:04 <hawmps> 221.204.242.113 << spork

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15:55 <xcamel> 'lo

15:58 <jackygrahamez> ciao

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16:08 <CoderForLife> hmm

16:08 <CoderForLife> what happened to me?

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16:09 <CoderForLife> 221.204.242.113 sporked - thx Jay

16:10 <xcamel> various hubs have been popping off today...

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16:12 <CoderForLife> ok thx

16:13 <xcamel> I really want to be able to use the "I'm Sorry" defense when forgetting to pay $50,000 in taxes...

16:13 <PovAddict> o.o

16:14 <CoderForLife> careful - you wouldn't want to set youself up to be Treasury Secretary

16:15 <PovAddict> heh

16:15 <PovAddict> http://geekotic.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/image4.png

16:15 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/84cx5r> (at geekotic.com)

16:15 <CoderForLife> and all those pecky reminder notices that jam your mailbox...

16:15 <PovAddict> capacitor piracy?

16:15 <CoderForLife> er pesky =)

16:16 <CoderForLife> interesting Pov

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16:16 <CoderForLife> bbiab   din-din

16:16 <xcamel> thanks, but too early yet.

16:17 <CoderForLife> early, but needed/wanted

16:17 <CoderForLife> plink adsl-70-228-38-150.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net

16:17 * CoderForLife walks away

16:19 <PovAddict> plink 67.210.235.154 & 72.252.209.134

16:20 <MTughan> This the effects of Downadup and a possible botnet with it?

16:21 <PovAddict> those two IPs were just trying to find vulnerable stuff on my webserver

16:21 <PovAddict> I doubt it's related to downadup

16:22 <xcamel> iptables takes good care of it.

16:32 <xcamel> I have a quickie bash script called spork for it

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16:36 <jasong> If this chat shows up on the Internet, I wonder how many people will type in "quickie bash" and be disappointed. ;)

16:36 <MTughan> lol

16:36 <xcamel> you be a sickie...

16:36 <jasong> Well, bash means party, so just a little :)

16:37 <xcamel> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/index2.html

16:37 <PovAddict> from what I saw in my web server log, some people searched for "pov .avi" and were disappointed too

16:38 <PovAddict> (they found povray animations instead of point-of-view porn)

16:38 <xcamel> they're all jonesing for a porn@home project too..

16:38 <MTughan> rofl

16:38 <jasong> What's point-of-view porn?

16:39 <jasong> The person getting serviced holds the camera?

16:39 <xcamel> you-don-wanna-know

16:39 <jasong> My apologies to anyone offended, I won't get any worse

16:39 <CoderForLife> back

16:39 <CoderForLife> yummy

16:39 <PovAddict> sort of, jasong

16:40 <PovAddict> ask the internets

16:40 <CoderForLife> Ooo Povplinks

16:40 <MTughan> I wish we had access to Google's logs... How many people in the channel just Googled "pov porn". xD

16:41 <CoderForLife> more than googled povplinks

16:43 <MTughan> Heh, your talking isn't important then.

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16:46 <MTughan> lol... In the channel stats, it has " * Tank_Master slaps PovAddict with a lampfish" for an example in the "Big Numbers" section. The next example is " * PovAddict slaps Tank_Master".

16:47 * PovAddict slaps Tank_Master to make his stats higher

16:47 * Tank_Master sends 501 lampfishes after PovAddict

16:48 <MTughan> Instead of WW3, it's BOINC War 1!

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16:48 <PovAddict> MTughan: uh no

16:48 <MTughan> Slapping each other back and forth... PovAddict's weapon is his text. Tank_Master has his lampfishes.

16:48 <xcamel> how do I loop this and then exit on target '0' ?

16:48 <MTughan> Okay, maybe not. It'd make for an interesting scene though.

16:48 <xcamel> printf "Enter the Ip address to be blocked? "

16:48 <xcamel> read TARGET

16:48 <xcamel> TARGET=$TARGET

16:48 <xcamel> iptables -I INPUT -s $TARGET -j DROP

16:48 * Tank_Master slaps MTughan with Ozzy Osbourne

16:49 <PovAddict> go look at seti forum and you'll see this is the 3453th war

16:49 <MTughan> Did you just pull that number from your a$$?

16:49 * Tank_Master sends 6349 lampfishes after MTughan

16:49 <PovAddict> yes

16:50 <xcamel> ...being ignored

16:50 <MTughan> Let me guess: DA has been the accused each time?

16:50 * Tank_Master burns xcamel's house down

16:50 <Tank_Master> better? :P

16:50 <MTughan> This is more like the #boinc I know and love... xD

16:51 <xcamel> it was a simple question...

16:51 * CoderForLife rolls his eyes

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16:52 <MTughan> lol

16:52 <CoderForLife> better?

16:52 <Romulus> Somebody said better is those where the image.jpg is a directory with a index.html spewing all kinds of nasty stuff your way :), CoderForLife

16:52 <xcamel> fire, huh...

16:52 <CoderForLife> forget better

16:52 <Romulus> Gotcha, CoderForLife.

16:52 <xcamel> he said the magic word...

16:52 <CoderForLife> lol

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16:53 <Tank_Master> wish I could forget things that easly

16:53 <CoderForLife> forget Tank_Master

16:53 <Romulus> Got it!

16:53 <xcamel> anyway, how do I loop that little script for input...

16:53 <Tank_Master> hehe

16:53 <CoderForLife> I'm not a shell Coder =)

16:53 <Tank_Master> forget so?

16:54 <Tank_Master> bloddy hell

16:54 <PovAddict> bah, that's a typical pattern that I wish *any* programming language supported

16:54 <PovAddict> ("loop with check in the middle")

16:54 <CoderForLife> take a stab, PovAddict

16:55 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d4cc5684b

16:55 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

16:55 <PovAddict> ...damn

16:55 <PovAddict> I pastebinned my test instead :P

16:55 <PovAddict> http://pastebin.com/d178f41c2

16:55 <Romulus> Title: Bash pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at pastebin.com)

16:55 <Tank_Master> LOL pov

16:57 <CoderForLife> looks plausible

16:58 * PovAddict slaps Tank_Master with one of Knuth's books

16:58 <CoderForLife> ouch

16:58 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Control_flow#Loop_with_test_in_the_middle

16:58 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/2fs7ss> (at en.wikipedia.org)

16:59 * Tank_Master slaps PovAddict with a SQL Server 2000 MSDN book

16:59 <CoderForLife> why would you want to harm a nice Knuth book?

17:00 <xcamel> that worked.. now add if target  = 0 exit

17:00 <xcamel> ok.. that worked too. thanks.

17:00 <PovAddict> I already had that

17:00 <CoderForLife> I didn't know shell syntax

17:01 <xcamel> my attempt was pretty close. thanks.

17:02 <PovAddict> using 'test' may not be best though... I think it will break if you press enter without typing anything

17:02 <PovAddict> ah... if [[ $TARGET = 0 ]]; then break; fi;

17:05 <xcamel> that is ok too...

17:05 <MTughan> http://arstechnica.com/journals/hardware.ars/2009/01/21/ans-9010-ram-disk-offers-potential-to-read-and-write-data-at-6-4-gbs

17:05 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8d64qv> (at arstechnica.com)

17:05 <xcamel> it's good enough

17:06 <PovAddict> I meant "break" as in "explode / give an error", not "break the loop" :)

17:06 <PovAddict> MTughan: RAM disk?!

17:06 <PovAddict> that speed must be insane

17:07 <MTughan> Says up to 6.4GB/s.

17:07 <MTughan> Although at current speeds, not much faster than SSDs. Probably a limitation of SATA.

17:07 <xcamel> now it works correctly

17:07 <CoderForLife> quail - southernvaleslug.org domain name has expired

17:08 <CoderForLife> quail - your blog is not accessible

17:12 <PovAddict> I think it would be great enough to have a huge chunk of RAM as disk write cache, on the disk itself, with a battery

17:13 <PovAddict> while on normal use, it would write super-fast to the RAM, then it can take its time to save to disk

17:13 <PovAddict> on a power outage, uses battery to finish writing all that is left in RAM

17:13 <MTughan> Ow... Graphics driver crash. Win7++

17:14 <MTughan> I'm pretty sure they've moved the graphics driver from kernel space to userspace, which explains why it can be updated/restarted without a restart.

17:15 <DerMeister> I doubt that they did that

17:15 <MTughan> What do you think they did?

17:15 <DerMeister> The performance costs would be quite big

17:16 <DerMeister> I would guess that have the ability to unload/reload the driver without rebooting. Installing and loading drivers without reboot already worked for winxp.

17:17 <MTughan> Maybe.

17:18 <DerMeister> I don't see a reason why the driver would need to be in user space in order to unload it. Sure, if it was in user space unloading it would be easier and probably less risky

17:18 <PovAddict> "The biggest change in the WDDM is that much of the graphics driver has been moved from kernel space to user space."

17:18 <PovAddict> Windows *Vista*

17:18 <DerMeister> Well, looks like I guessed wrong :)

17:18 <PovAddict> http://ati.amd.com/products/wp/atiwddmwhitepaperfinalv38.pdf <- page 8

17:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/axe3fe> (at ati.amd.com)

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17:24 <zombie67> damn turkeys startles the heck out of me!

17:44 <xcamel> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap090121.html

17:44 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 21 - A Lenticular Cloud Over New Zealand (at antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov)

17:45 <CoderForLife> very nice

17:45 <jasong> Question for the smart people, is there any fundamental difference between an upload and a download, other than the name?

17:45 <Hodapp> Um, yes.

17:46 <jasong> I'm reading an article in Wired where the Comcast dude is complaining that 2/3rds of his network's upload bandwidth is being used by p2pers

17:46 <Hodapp> Download is a transfer from remote to local. Upload is a transfer from local to remote.

17:46 <jasong> lol, good point, but I mean is there a fundamental difference that would be important to a computer

17:46 <CoderForLife> In an asymmetric communications situation, like ADSL, it makes a big difference

17:47 <xcamel> I was going to say something, but I won't

17:47 <Hodapp> You just did.

17:47 <jasong> Say it xcamel, because I'm confused as to why they can't just reassign bandwidth

17:47 <CoderForLife> he would have said more... =)

17:48 <jasong> To me, and I admit I don't know much about it, he just wants to keep his gobs of money instead of fixing the problem with the network

17:49 <jasong> Am I wrong, partly right, or...?

17:49 <xcamel> the premise they are trying to make is false on it's face

17:50 <MTughan> They want people to pay more money for more upload speed too. :)

17:50 <xcamel> the vast majority of internet traffic in order is, spam, corporate data, government data, then everything else is way below that.

17:53 <CoderForLife> bb from the laptop

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18:03 <xcamel> oh great...

18:03 <CoderOnTheCouch> time to feed the birdies - brb

18:04 <zombie67> cfl, are you on facebook?

18:04 <xcamel> Heartland data services breached recently.. 7 million cc files possible...

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18:11 <PovAddict> heh

18:11 <PovAddict> "Woo! I just found a Sun server that costs more than my house! :-D"

18:11 <xcamel> correction: Possibly 100M Accounts Stolen

18:12 <PovAddict> &currency convert 3 gbp usd

18:12 <Romulus> PovAddict: 3.00 gbp = 4.19 usd

18:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> yeah - a big topic of discussion today xcamel

18:13 <xcamel> that's a bad one - done from the inside

18:14 <CoderOnTheCouch> http://www.2008breach.com/

18:14 <Romulus> Title: Heartland Payment Systems (at www.2008breach.com)

18:15 <CoderOnTheCouch> it went undetected

18:18 <PovAddict> site down

18:20 <CoderOnTheCouch> I was just readin it

18:21 <CoderOnTheCouch> works for me

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18:38 <rodolfo> hello there

18:39 <rodolfo> could anyone help me?

18:40 <xcamel> with what?

18:42 <rodolfo> xcamel: skype call test doesn't work for me

18:42 <rodolfo> xcamel: i'd like test with another person

18:42 * PovAddict thinks that's kinda offtopic

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18:50 <xcamel> my skype is off now..

18:59 <efc> moo

19:01 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

19:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> moo

19:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> back on the couch

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19:53 <xcamel> gtrrrrr

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19:56 <MTughan> It wasn't me!

19:56 <xcamel> you broke it!

19:58 <wdsmia> it was that 50A 250V fuse he stuck in there

19:58 <MTughan> Uh... I didn't stick any fuse in.

19:59 <MTughan> And I haven't touched it for 2-3 hours now.

19:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> &ping

19:59 <Romulus> pong

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19:59 <MTughan> Closed it up, and the next place it's going to be taken is the garbage.

19:59 <MTughan> 'lo COTC

19:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> heya Michael

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20:04 <MTughan> See, it wasn't me! It was one of their sponsors!

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20:11 <xcamel> lol PoV: Argentine prez: Fidel Castro `believes in Obama'

20:11 <xcamel> neat trick channeling a dead guy...

20:11 <PovAddict> huh, I thought I had disabled the politics filter

20:12 <PovAddict> I guess Konversation only saves settings on a clean quit, and last time it quit it was for an X crash

20:13 <zombie67> pov, did you get my email?

20:13 <PovAddict> yes, wtf? :)

20:14 <zombie67> big-ass turkeys, eh?

20:14 <zombie67> I have a herd of them living in my back yard, about 30 strong

20:14 <xcamel> I have 5 pet toms..

20:15 <zombie67> xcamel, are you on facebook?

20:15 * CoderOnTheCouch chuckles

20:16 <PovAddict> now that you mention it...

20:16 <xcamel> nope

20:16 <xcamel> sit-on-my-face-book?

20:16 <zombie67> is there a place like pastebin for pictures?

20:17 <CoderOnTheCouch> that was a popular expression when I was in high school

20:17 <PovAddict> zombie67: imagebin.ca

20:17 <MTughan> zombie67: Imagebin. Don't know the URL off by heart.

20:17 <MTughan> Yeah, that. :P

20:18 <PovAddict> or imagebin.org

20:18 <zombie67> kay, just a sec

20:18 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm going up to bed

20:18 <CoderOnTheCouch> gn folks

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20:20 <PovAddict> zombie67: http://web.archive.org/web/20070703174012/http://orlyowl.com/gobble.jpg

20:20 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/66jd5m> (at web.archive.org)

20:21 <MTughan> Gah, my graphics card keeps crashing...

20:22 <zombie67> wtf kind of dr moro crap is that??

20:23 <xcamel> hmm... not opening

20:23 <xcamel> was that a pic on the net?

20:23 <xcamel> it looks like a great grey owl

20:24 <PovAddict> yes it was :P

20:24 <zombie67> http://imagebin.org/36461

20:24 <Romulus> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)

20:24 <PovAddict> orlyowl.com seems to be dead, I had to dig archive.org

20:24 <xcamel> I have the only pair in NY on my property...

20:24 <xcamel> You have no idea how big those birds are.

20:25 <xcamel> the mail is nearly a meter tall

20:25 <xcamel> er male, even.

20:25 <xcamel> [duh]

20:27 <efc> an owl? Holy Who

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20:29 <zombie67> http://imagebin.org/36462

20:29 <Romulus> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)

20:29 <xcamel> largest owl species in the world.

20:29 <zombie67> http://imagebin.org/36463

20:29 <Romulus> Title: Imagebin - A place to slap up your images. (at imagebin.org)

20:29 <zombie67> there ya go

20:30 <zombie67> normally they are out back, and I hear them when the neighbor feeds them

20:30 <xcamel> the "baby" from 3 years ago caught and ate a 15 lb beaver.

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20:30 <xcamel> toss some corn cobs out there - they'll go CRAZY....

20:30 <zombie67> this afternoon, their gobble was so loud, I thought they were in the house.  That is when I took the picture of them on my fence

20:30 <zombie67> will do

20:31 <zombie67> usually I throw out my old veggies and stale bread

20:31 <PovAddict> lol

20:31 <xcamel> this time of year they are eating grubs mostly

20:31 <CoderForLife> hide small children

20:31 <xcamel> and it looks like there are a bunch of 'jakes'

20:32 * CoderForLife crawls toward the bedroom

20:32 <zombie67> no kidding.  These are wild of course, but with the neighbor feeding them 2x daily for 3+ years, they have gotten huge

20:32 <xcamel> jakes are turkeys that don't know what sex they are yet.

20:32 <zombie67> yeah, it's odd, it seems to be a mixed flock

20:32 <zombie67> I thought that was a no-no with turkeys

20:32 <zombie67> maybe the free food overrides it

20:33 <xcamel> sex ratio is determined by the size of the flock, and feeding conditions...

20:33 <zombie67> the big ones are about 3' tall

20:33 <zombie67> ah.

20:33 <zombie67> I thought it was like deer

20:33 <xcamel> nope..

20:33 <zombie67> one male

20:34 <zombie67> and then a separate herd of males w/o herds

20:34 <xcamel> watch out for an "alpha hen"

20:34 <zombie67> I also have a herd of mule deer, about 25 strong

20:34 <xcamel> they can really hurt you.

20:34 <xcamel> alphas never breed or lay eggs

20:35 <zombie67> alpha females??

20:35 <xcamel> their whole purpose is to protect the sitting hens

20:35 <xcamel> toms could care less

20:35 <zombie67> wow.  learn something every day

20:36 <zombie67> I sent out the picture to a friend who lives in the valley, at the edge of my hills.  He responede with this:

20:36 <zombie67> I was walking my dog the other day and a  mom turkey and all the chicks were crossing

20:36 <zombie67> the street.   One of the chicks couldn't make it up and over the curb---  it was

20:36 <zombie67> squeeking  pathetically---  so I decided to give it a helping hand.

20:36 <zombie67> ....  I helped the little chicky up and then was immediately attacked by the mom turkey!

20:36 <xcamel> they will fight predators to the death to protect the breeding stock

20:36 <zombie67> That f__cker  swooped me and my dog half way down Stagecoach.    After about 100 yards

20:36 <zombie67> at a full out run,  I stopped to catch my breath and see where it was at.

20:36 <zombie67> It was right on my ass!!! and chased me all the way to Turquise.

20:36 <zombie67> Son-of-a-bitch turkeys!

20:36 <xcamel> you can not outrun them

20:37 <zombie67> do turkeys have the big claw like roosters?

20:37 <xcamel> 30mph 1 foot off the fround

20:37 <xcamel> uh-huh

20:37 <xcamel> er ground even

20:39 <xcamel> they **will** hurt you.

20:39 <zombie67> behind my house is huge undeveloped bowl.  maybe a quarter mile across, and 500 feet from the top edges to the bottom.  I saw one of those big fat suckers fly straight across it.  A turkey 500 feet off the ground!  Amazing

20:42 <efc> i used to talk to some owls int he mountains. Screechers probably.

20:43 <efc> they'd recognize my sound and say 'back off'

20:43 <xcamel> Bog hooters are really cool - they will 'talk' to you...

20:44 <xcamel> cripes...

20:44 <xcamel> "Big"

20:44 <zombie67> problem:  with all the food my neighbor feed to the turkeys, she attracted a flock of pigeons...about 80 of them.  And they decided my roof was the place to spend their nights.

20:45 <zombie67> guess what that means....

20:45 <xcamel> that gets kind of gross.

20:45 <zombie67> no kidding

20:45 <zombie67> crap EVERYWHERE

20:45 <xcamel> got a .410 shotgun?

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20:46 <zombie67> scaring them off several times a week does nothing

20:46 <xcamel> put a "fake owl" up there..

20:46 <zombie67> There is a local red-tailed hawk!

20:46 <zombie67> too many of them to be worried

20:47 <xcamel> rt's hate pigeons

20:47 <xcamel> and won't eat them

20:47 <zombie67> I am thing about some how putting one of those motion-detecting sprinklers on my roof

20:47 <xcamel> the owl is better.. mortal enemy of the winged pigs

20:48 <zombie67> think a motionless owl will really work?

20:48 <xcamel> http://www.yardlover.com/products.php?pid=562&gclid=CLmr6saHoZgCFQG7Ggod03o9mw

20:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d23guo> (at www.yardlover.com)

20:49 <xcamel> move it once a week

20:50 <zombie67> does it have to be on the roof?  Or will it work someplace in the yard?

20:51 <zombie67> ordered

20:51 <xcamel> on the peak of the roof is best

20:52 <xcamel> but other places will work

20:52 <xcamel> it's won't bother the turkeys.

20:52 <zombie67> thanks for the advise

20:57 <xcamel> no problem..

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22:12 <Soul_keeper> &weather 2000

22:12 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

22:13 <Soul_keeper> no aussie postcodes, as i suspected

22:18 <quail> CoderForLife: yeah I have just noticed it has expired, but I have paid for it?

22:19 <quail> CoderForLife: I should say I have renewed it

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