IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-01-23

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03:44 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 39.0F / 3.9C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 29.86in / 1011.1hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Clear. Lows in the lower 30s. South winds 5 to 10 mph.; Friday - Mostly sunny in the morning...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs around 50. Southwest winds around 10 mph. (1 more message)

03:44 <CoderForLife> &more

03:44 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Chance of rain 20 percent.; Friday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the mid 20s. Northwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

03:44 <efc> moo

03:44 <CoderForLife> moo

03:45 <CoderForLife> hmm - #boinc has been very quiet

03:45 * efc chirp

03:46 <CoderForLife> I see nothing except ins and outs since I got up from the couch last night

03:47 <efc> I bet companies would sell to me if I wanted to buy 10,000 units instead of .. 1

03:49 <CoderForLife> they make it up in volume

03:50 <efc> trying to buy stuff like this (but not this one)  http://www.robotcombat.com/products/MAG-S28-150.html

03:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c86aqq> (at www.robotcombat.com)

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03:59 <CoderForLife> robot parts just aren't what they used to be

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04:00 <efc> really nice quality stuff from that company but they won't write me back, and they have no distributers for pipsqueaks like me

04:01 <CoderForLife> quite a disturbance in the Force

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04:02 <efc> we didn't really need california anyway

04:03 <CoderForLife> the country feels lighter

04:03 <efc> as if a tremendous dead weight had been removed

04:03 * CoderForLife looks at his mutual fund modeling system

04:04 <CoderForLife> this is not looking good

04:04 <efc> the model is simple. final_value := 0.0

04:05 <efc> I like how the merryl lynch exec gave out 4 billion in bonuses right before BoA ate them

04:05 <CoderForLife> more like final_value = -1,000,000,000,000

04:06 <efc> if only you used Unsigned Ints this would have never happened

04:07 <CoderForLife> the Total Value fund has none, the Real Return fund is getting none

04:07 <CoderForLife> Unsigned Ints = Guaranteed Return of Principle

04:08 <CoderForLife> syntax error in financial markets

04:08 <efc> amazingly in some investments i think you can end up owing more than you put in

04:08 <CoderForLife> yep

04:08 <efc> there was a guy near home who was running a ponzi

04:09 <efc> it went bust, he shot himself

04:09 <efc> and the people who had been paid interest before were sued for it

04:09 <CoderForLife> the only thing he had left to put in was a bullet

04:09 <efc> even though they lost all their principle too

04:11 <efc> i think there are a lot more of those

04:11 <efc> little old lady down the street is probably in one

04:11 <CoderForLife> the ripples continue to roll

04:12 * efc considers making his own motors

04:12 * CoderForLife plots world domination

04:13 <efc> i wish i could do something

04:13 <CoderForLife> what are you doing right now?

04:14 <efc> reading crap on the internet

04:14 <CoderForLife> yeah, that's nothing

04:17 <CoderForLife> In search of breakfast - brb  --  this is about the time you dop off -- tc

04:22 <CoderForLife> b

04:22 <efc> that was quick

04:22 <CoderForLife> my search methods are efficient

04:22 <CoderForLife> Boyer-Moore

04:23 <CoderForLife> a dash of Horspool

04:23 <CoderForLife> a pinch of Knuth

04:23 <efc> over my head, but sounds impressive, here's some money

04:24 <CoderForLife> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boyer%E2%80%93Moore%E2%80%93Horspool_algorithm

04:24 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/dk6zla> (at en.wikipedia.org)

04:25 <efc> Oh yeah, I think I skimmed those chapters..

04:25 <CoderForLife> don't step in the Horspool

04:26 <efc> I thought the "final solution" was DFAs for substring matching

04:27 <CoderForLife> "death from above"?

04:28 <efc> state machines

04:28 <efc> i think that's how grep works

04:28 <CoderForLife> of course

04:28 <efc> more or less O(n) for everything

04:30 <CoderForLife> better O(n) than O(ff)

04:39 <FreeLarry58> yeah found the ca-2 form online so now can start filling it out for tendenitus

04:39 <CoderForLife> have you submitted your request form to get a Gitmo detainee assigned to your local federal prison?  they're going quickly

04:40 <FreeLarry58> didn't hear about that one

04:41 <FreeLarry58> wonder if one of those detainees wants to donate arm for transplant - cant hurt me much more than i feel currently

04:41 <CoderForLife> John Murtha was signing up to send a bunch to his minimum security facility in his self-assessed redneck district

04:41 <FreeLarry58> ahh is that the same one that is surrounded by a mine field? and crocodiles

04:42 <CoderForLife> yeah - rednecks

04:42 <FreeLarry58> let anything go - just dont mess with the still

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04:54 <Tidus_> *yawn*

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04:55 <CoderForLife> time for me to get ready for w@#%

04:55 <CoderForLife> bbiab

04:55 <Tidus> load average: 4.56, 4.69, 3.88

04:55 <Tidus> more action than this machine's seen in a while

04:56 <FreeLarry58> off to start filling out forms and need to make appt with doc in am

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05:32 <CoderForLife> back for a moment

05:36 <Tidus> welcome back for the moment

05:36 <Tidus> lol

05:36 <CoderForLife> heh

05:37 <Tidus> <3 downloading a file, only to find you forgot to name it and it has a completely random filename ....

05:37 <Tidus> not really.

05:37 <CoderForLife> <3 not

05:38 <Tidus> glad my comp has a built-in memory card reader...

05:38 <Tidus> using my phone as a card reader gets a bit ... sluggish

05:40 <Tidus> CoderForLife: you know you was gettin on to me for leaving a processor idle?

05:40 <CoderForLife> such a waste

05:40 <Tidus> Linux Katrina 2.6.26-1-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 15 18:15:07 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux

05:40 <Tidus> 04:31:45 up 5 days,  8:26,  5 users,  load average: 1.08, 1.04, 1.01

05:40 <CoderForLife> much better

05:40 <Tidus> had to make sure it was gonna stay stable before i did anything with it

05:41 <CoderForLife> Linux=stable

05:41 <Tidus> old processor under linux = 12 hours uptime... max

05:41 <Tidus> new processor = not so fried

05:41 <Tidus> and an upgrade

05:41 <Tidus> celeron 2.53 to celeron-D 3.2

05:42 <CoderForLife> ah, a hardware problem, not a software problem =)

05:42 <Tidus> yeah

05:43 <Tidus> and even at full tilt the fan noise from it's bearable

05:43 <Tidus> goes from ~600rpm to about 1500

05:46 <Tidus> its only unbearable if the fan goes full tilt... 92mm fan running ~4000 rpm sounds a bit like a hairdryer

05:49 <CoderForLife> what?!?  I can't hear you...

05:49 <Tidus> basically

05:51 <CoderForLife> OK - enough looking at taxes - off to w@#% to create some more

05:51 <CoderForLife> laterz

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06:23 <PovAddict> TGIF

06:26 <KathrynM> plus a long weekend for me

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06:43 <hawmps> 'lo

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07:42 <hawmps> somebody forgot to pack the code in 6.4.4...

07:43 <hawmps> 1.7mb >> 8.7mb is nuts.

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08:14 <quail> evening all

08:20 <hawmps> 'lo Q

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08:28 <KathrynM> &wx ulsan

08:28 <Romulus> KathrynM: Temperature: 23°F / -5°C | Humidity: 39% | Pressure: 30.21in / 1023hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 10:00 PM KST; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:19 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.;

08:28 <KathrynM> windy outside

08:29 <PovAdct_w> &wx eze

08:29 <PovAdct_w> yawn

08:29 <Romulus> PovAdct_w: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 11:00 AM ARST; Scattered Clouds. High:95 F.; Clear. Low:75 F.; Clear. High:95 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:75 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:80 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 F.;

08:49 <PovAdct_w> heh, cute RSS icon...

08:49 <PovAdct_w> KathrynM: http://88.198.60.17/images/smash-rss.gif

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09:06 <KathrynM> cute PovAdct_w

09:11 <PovAdct_w> is there hell in reply to DA in the lists yet?

09:13 <PovAdct_w> I'll just try not to post anything else, and then go on holiday without notice... who knows, he might think I quit

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09:14 <PovAdct_w> :|

09:14 <PovAdct_w> aaaaaaargh

09:14 <PovAdct_w> power outage

09:14 <PovAdct_w> uptime 1 minute

09:25 <hawmps> 'lo PoV

09:26 <hawmps> 6.6.2 seems to be running OK

09:26 <hawmps> lost the 'drag select' on the projects page though

09:26 <PovAdct_w> people on seti forums seem to disagree :P

09:27 <PovAdct_w> hmm

09:27 <hawmps> linux version

09:27 <PovAdct_w> upgrading from...?

09:27 <hawmps> 6.4.4

09:27 <PovAdct_w> I think there were huge manager changes 6.4 -> 6.6

09:28 <hawmps> doesn't look much different

09:28 <PovAdct_w> mostly internal changes, so even selection working differently seems surprising

09:29 <PovAdct_w> (actually, nothing surprises me anymore...)

09:29 <PovAdct_w> "expect everything and the unexpected will never happen"

09:29 <hawmps> shift click works, but right click/drag does not.

09:30 <PovAdct_w> I still have 6.2.19 on this machine at w$%&

09:30 <hawmps> really not a big deal is workfetch is working again - unknown at this point

09:32 <hawmps> er if workfetch

09:51 <hawmps> the new linux exec grew bt 7mb

09:52 <hawmps> er by even

09:53 <PovAdct_w> debugging symbols... they didn't make separate debug/normal packages

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10:03 <hawmps> figures

10:09 <Soul_keeper> they added all the cuda stuff

10:21 <hawmps> seems OK on the mac

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10:21 <hawmps> it just downloaded a ton of seti...

10:32 <Soul_keeper> it seems we could see 40nm GPUs in march

10:33 <Soul_keeper> just in time for my bday :)

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11:16 <hawmps> bday in march?

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13:05 <CoderForLife> boo

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13:22 <hawmps> boo?

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14:13 <Tank_Master> who?

14:16 <Soul_keeper> hawmps, early april

14:26 <hawmps> barely

14:33 <hawmps> spork >> 58.222.11.2

14:34 <Tank_Master> spork >> 127.1.1.1

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14:34 <PovAddict> summer should be illegal

14:34 <PovAddict> &wx eze

14:35 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 93°F / 34°C | Humidity: 34% | Pressure: 29.92in / 1013hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 12mph / 18km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:95 F.; Clear. Low:75 F.; Clear. High:95 F.; Clear. Low:75 F.; Chance of Rain. High:82 F.; Chance of Rain. Low:64 F.;

14:35 <PovAddict> this week every day was 34C, yet every day felt worse than the previous one

14:38 <hawmps> This is great... F* U...RIAA...

14:38 <hawmps> http://i.gizmodo.com/5137827/monty-python-puts-free-videos-online-sells-23000-more-dvds

14:38 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cu47hz> (at i.gizmodo.com)

14:38 <hawmps> Monty Python Puts Free Videos Online, Sells 23,000% More DVDs

14:43 <Tank_Master> so much for the whole illegal sharing is bad for the industry crap

14:44 <hawmps> we have been telling them that for years... it's like real tax cuts, and how they work every time...

14:44 <PovAddict> is that 230x?

14:56 <hawmps> ask the dead parrot

14:56 <PovAddict> the , vs . always gets me confused

14:57 <PovAddict> ten million with fifty cents, in Spanish it's 10.000.000,50 and in English it's 10,000,000.50

14:57 <Soul_keeper> that would be like they used to sale 1 dvd, now they sale 24

14:58 <hawmps> btw - the OSX version of 6.6.2 version is really ripping through wu's now...

14:59 <Soul_keeper> or they used to sale 100 now they sale 2400  ....   or 1000 now 24000

14:59 <hawmps> the 'instances' thing doesn't make much sense, but 'whatever'

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15:50 <rodolfo_> hello there

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16:04 <PovAddict> hahaha

16:04 <PovAddict> Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.  Requesting 0 seconds of work, reporting 2 completed tasks

16:04 <PovAddict> Scheduler request succeeded: got 20 new tasks

16:05 <Soul_keeper> lol

16:05 <PovAddict> how'd that happen?

16:06 <Soul_keeper> buggy version probably

16:08 * Hodapp wonders why he's not gotten any tasks from GPUGRID recently

16:10 <Soul_keeper> Hodapp, linux ?

16:11 <Soul_keeper> boinc won't request any if X isn't started cause it'll say "no cuda devices detected"

16:11 <Soul_keeper> if you're using windows then that's the problem

16:11 <Soul_keeper> windows is just flawed :)

16:13 <Soul_keeper> you're both welcome

16:13 <Hodapp> I'm on Linux and X is running

16:14 <PovAddict> awesome... I unpacked some code into a RAM disk

16:14 <PovAddict> so it compiled faster

16:15 <PovAddict> then forgot it was a ramdisk... did some edits to some files...

16:15 <PovAddict> a few hours ago my home machine had a short power outage while I was at work

16:18 <Soul_keeper> Hodapp, when you start the boinc_gui  does it say  "cuda device detected" in the messages tab ?

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16:22 <Hodapp> Soul_keeper: Yes.

16:23 <Soul_keeper> what version of boinc ?

16:23 <Hodapp> Soul_keeper: Like I said, GPUGRID has already run a variety of jobs with Cuda.

16:23 <PovAddict> &google linux vdso

16:23 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.21 seconds: What is linux -gate.so.1?: <http://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/08/linux-gate/>; KernelGlossary - Linux Kernel Newbies: <http://kernelnewbies.org/KernelGlossary>; modal echoes of the void: The linux -gate.so & VDSO story: <http://modal-echoes.blogspot.com/2006/11/linux-gateso-vdso-story.html>; RPM resource linux - vdso .so.1()(64bit): (3 more messages)

16:23 <Soul_keeper> Hodapp, i dunno what to tell you then, it works fine for me, just got a WU like 2hrs ago

16:24 <Soul_keeper> you can't be helped

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16:24 <Hodapp> let my try updating the project

16:25 <xcamel> 'lo

16:25 <Hodapp> wtf, it says "requesting 0 seconds of work"

16:25 <PovAddict> what version of boinc ?

16:26 <Hodapp> 6.4.5

16:26 <PovAddict> maybe you crunched "too much" GPUGRID and it "accumulated debt" with other projects

16:27 <PovAddict> which would show the scheduler sucks... it should ignore that if you have idle hardware (your GPU)

16:27 <Hodapp> it's doing the same with seti@home, requesting 0 seconds

16:27 <PovAddict> is your computer idle now? or do you have any tasks?

16:27 <Soul_keeper> suspend the other projects, then update

16:27 <Hodapp> my computer was idle for at least 10 hours today, and I tried telling it just now to run always

16:28 <Hodapp> still requesting 0 seconds of work when I do that

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16:28 <PovAddict> how did you install it? repo packages, binaries from boinc site, self-compiled?

16:29 <Soul_keeper> are you out of disk space or something ?  maybe you got a fishy setting

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16:29 <PovAddict> if he was out of disk it would still ask for work (the server would then refuse to give any)

16:29 <Hodapp> there is ample disk space

16:29 <Hodapp> and I have not touched any settings since it was happily crunching on both seti@home and gpugrid

16:30 <Hodapp> installed from binaries from boinc site

16:30 <PovAddict> do you have a cc_config.xml file in boinc directory?

16:30 <Hodapp> no.

16:31 <PovAddict> create one, with:

16:31 <PovAddict> <cc_config>

16:31 <PovAddict>   <log_flags>

16:31 <PovAddict>     <work_fetch_debug>1</work_fetch_debug>

16:31 <PovAddict>   </log_flags>

16:31 <PovAddict> </cc_config>

16:31 <Tank_Master> anyonw know were to get sheep UPS battery replacements?

16:31 <Soul_keeper> i'm using boinc 6.5.0 on my cuda machine

16:31 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: I've never heard of batteries made from sheep

16:31 <Tank_Master> SK - is it better than 6.4.5?

16:31 <Tank_Master> cheep*

16:31 <PovAddict> Tank_Master: they all suck the same

16:31 <Soul_keeper> i think so

16:31 <PovAddict> :P

16:32 <Soul_keeper> they changed a few things with the scheduler i believe

16:32 <Tank_Master> ok

16:32 <Hodapp> PovAddict: restart BOINC?

16:32 <PovAddict> Hodapp: nope, Advanced -> Read config file

16:32 <Tank_Master> I also saw theres a 6.6.0 already o.0!?!

16:32 <Hodapp> then what?

16:32 <Romulus> It has been said that then what is oldschool, Hodapp

16:32 <Soul_keeper> last i checked the linux version for 6.6.0 wasn't out yet

16:32 <PovAddict> then update some project and watch the messages

16:33 <PovAddict> it should say why it doesn't ask for work (in cryptic language :P)

16:34 <Hodapp> http://pastebin.ca/1316347

16:34 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Unnamed - post number 1316347 (at pastebin.ca)

16:34 <PovAddict> do you have any tasks in progress, or is the CPU idle?

16:34 <Hodapp> the CPU is idle.

16:35 <PovAddict> o_o

16:36 <PovAddict> BOINC seems to think you have 5 days of work to be done

16:37 <PovAddict> "total up the estimated time for this project's unstarted and partially completed results" = 470858 seconds

16:38 <Soul_keeper> try 6.5.0

16:39 <PovAddict> actually I think that number isn't used anywhere useful... hmm

16:39 <Hodapp> where is 6.5.0?

16:40 <PovAddict> did it print any [work_fetch_debug] compute_work_requests(): start?

16:40 <Soul_keeper> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dl/

16:40 <Romulus> Title: Index of /dl (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

16:40 <Soul_keeper> ohh wow they've been busy

16:40 <Soul_keeper> 6.6.2  is there now

16:41 <PovAddict> 6.6.* changed the scheduler completely, don't expect it to even work :P

16:41 <Hodapp> the only [work_fetch_debug] that I saw is there in the pastebin

16:41 <xcamel> 6.6.2 started up and didn't do a cpu bmark

16:41 <PovAddict> Hodapp: did it print any other since you pastebin'd? :)

16:41 <Hodapp> no

16:42 <Soul_keeper> then stick with 6.5.0  i know for sure that one works for me

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16:42 <PovAddict> Hodapp: you sure you have both processing and network enabled?

16:42 <PovAddict> in activity menu

16:43 <xcamel> we'll see how it goes...

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16:43 <Hodapp> Of course I'm sure.

16:44 <xcamel> the win version seemed ok

16:44 <PovAddict> well that's what the code checks for

16:44 <Hodapp> http://pastebin.ca/1316357 has some other messages

16:44 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Something - post number 1316357 (at pastebin.ca)

16:44 <PovAddict> if (!activity_suspended && !network_suspended) { calculate work fetch (which definitely outputs debugging stuff) }

16:45 <PovAddict> there, compute_work_requests() did get called...

16:45 * PovAddict dives back into the code

16:48 <PovAddict> add <rr_simulation>1</rr_simulation> to cc_config.xml and re-read config file

16:49 <Hodapp> http://pastebin.ca/1316362

16:49 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Anonymous - post number 1316362 (at pastebin.ca)

16:52 <PovAddict> grr

16:53 <PovAddict> you did add the new tag inside <log_flags>, didn't you?

16:53 <Hodapp> no, you never told me to

16:54 <Hodapp> now I did

16:54 <PovAddict> ah you just sticked it at the end of the xml file?

16:54 <PovAddict> I shouldn't make assumptions

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16:55 <Hodapp> http://pastebin.ca/1316364

16:55 <Romulus> Title: general pastebin - Unnamed - post number 1316364 (at pastebin.ca)

16:55 <PovAddict> there we go...

16:55 <PovAddict> damn that's huge :D

16:56 <Hodapp> THAT'S WHAT SHE S... eh, forget it

16:56 <PovAddict> I walked right into that one didn't I...

16:56 <Tank_Master> lol

16:56 <PovAddict> I think it's not getting any work because it says you already have a SETI task (called ap_19dc08ab_B0_P0_00228_20090121_29136.wu_0) that will take 7 days of processing

16:56 <Hodapp> hmm

16:57 <PovAddict> so you're already filled up

16:57 * PovAddict closes his five text editors

16:57 <Hodapp> isn't it supposed to share resources or something?

16:57 <PovAddict> well, you don't have any idle CPU (apparently)

16:57 <PovAddict> single core?

16:57 <Hodapp> yeah

16:58 <Hodapp> but it seemed to be sharing things previously and running GPUGRID and seti@home tasks simultaneously

16:58 <PovAddict> now it thinks it has too much work and it would be a bad idea to get more (may not meet deadlines)

16:58 <PovAddict> because it's ignoring the fact that you DO have idle hardware: the GPU

16:59 <Hodapp> hmm

17:03 <Hodapp> so I guess I should just let it run and wait?

17:03 <PovAddict> yep... at least your CPU is not idle

17:03 <PovAddict> so you aren't worse than before BOINC supported GPUs at all :)

17:03 <Hodapp> yeah.

17:05 <xcamel> almost springtime today... but not gonna last...

17:05 <CoderForLife> hello

17:06 <Tank_Master> howdy cfl

17:06 <CoderForLife> did you spork yourself, Tank_Master?

17:06 <Tank_Master> corse

17:06 <Tank_Master> isnt that what they are for?

17:07 <CoderForLife> when you come to a spork in the road, take it

17:07 <Tank_Master> :D

17:09 <CoderForLife> interesting  http://www.instructables.com/id/Real_time_Web_Based_Household_Power_Usage_Monitor/

17:09 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/8gnpzu> (at www.instructables.com)

17:10 <xcamel> 'lo CFL

17:10 <CoderForLife> hello Jay

17:10 <xcamel> "ACORN Could Get Billions from Democrats' Trillion Dollar Spending Plan"

17:11 <xcamel> http://republicanleader.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=109339

17:11 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c9rgtr> (at republicanleader.house.gov)

17:11 <CoderForLife> they need a bailout?

17:11 <xcamel> nice payback...

17:11 <CoderForLife> hush money

17:12 <CoderForLife> BSG again tonight

17:13 <CoderForLife> tgif

17:13 <xcamel> btw... I'm not the only one who came up with the BSG scenario I described...

17:13 <xcamel> great minds...

17:13 <Tank_Master> waahoo

17:14 <Tank_Master> love bsg

17:14 <Tank_Master> whens DrWho or eureka coming back?

17:14 <xcamel> iirc, yes, in march

17:14 <xcamel> or april

17:14 <Tank_Master> for both?

17:14 <xcamel> yes

17:15 <Tank_Master> bummer :P

17:15 <xcamel> the BSG thing is a 'never ending story'

17:16 <Tank_Master> no, this is the last season of bsg

17:16 <xcamel> I mean in the grand plot

17:16 <Tank_Master> ah

17:16 <CoderForLife> they're going to wind it backwards with "Caprica"

17:16 <CoderForLife> ah yes, the cycle of time

17:16 <Soul_keeper> well considering that ACORN and AIG pumped millions into obama's campaigns as he rose to power, it's only fitting to "return the favor" i guess ...

17:16 <wdsmia> re-hi

17:17 <xcamel> humans built toasters and banished them to "another earth", then found out what they were up to the last time and nuked them

17:17 <CoderForLife> speaking of dropping temps - hi Doug

17:17 <xcamel> 2000 years ago, this time around the wheel, the roles reversed

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17:18 <wdsmia> *lo Don

17:18 <xcamel> the cylons nuked the humans on caprica

17:18 <xcamel> so it just goes round and round

17:19 <CoderForLife> quite likely

17:19 <Tank_Master> just like the wheles on the bus...

17:19 <xcamel> 'lo doug in Frostbite Falls

17:19 <xcamel> just like my elegant solution for the Hawking Paradox

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17:20 <CoderForLife> black hole emissions?

17:20 <wdsmia> *lo Jay

17:20 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

17:20 <xcamel> all black holes exist at the point of the big bang

17:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 14.3F / -9.8C | Humidity: 70% | Pressure: 30.45in / 1031.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WNW | Wind Speed: 12.0mph / 19.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy early in the evening then becoming partly cloudy. Bitterly cold. Scattered flurries in the evening. Low zero to 5 below. Northwest wind 10 to 20 mph with gusts to around 30 mph. Wind chill readings 15 to (1 more message)

17:20 <CoderForLife> or quasars somewhere/somewhen else?

17:21 <xcamel> therefore no information is lost

17:21 <wdsmia> &more

17:21 <Romulus> wdsmia: 20 below.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Very cold. High 5 to 10 above. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph decreasing to up to 10 mph in the afternoon. Lowest wind chill readings 15 to 20 below in the morning.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy early in the evening then becoming cloudy. A 50 percent chance of snow after midnight. Low 5 to 10 above. Southwest wind near 5 mph in the evening becoming light.;

17:21 <xcamel> Doug.... KEEP IT OUT THERE.

17:21 * CoderForLife pulls out the Lucasian chair so xcamel can site down

17:22 <CoderForLife> er sit

17:22 <Soul_keeper> so the republican leader is named "Boner" now ?

17:23 <Soul_keeper> "House Republican Leader John Boehner (R-OH) repeatedly urged ... "

17:23 <Tank_Master> lol

17:23 <CoderForLife> has been

17:23 <CoderForLife> he is too tanned right now

17:23 <Tank_Master> what do you think he lends out when he screws someone?

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17:24 <Soul_keeper> too funny

17:24 <xcamel> change you can take to the homeless shelter

17:24 <Tank_Master> :)

17:25 <xcamel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGfQk9XXm24

17:25 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Tarp Song by Bill Zucker I Want some tarp (at www.youtube.com)

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17:26 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

17:26 <CoderForLife> here's trouble

17:26 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

17:26 <Tank_Master> howdy trouble

17:26 <Rookie_69> Oh... Hi, Don.

17:26 <Rookie_69> TM too.

17:26 <xcamel> yummy pizza

17:27 <Rookie_69> If you've got trouble, wait don't run...

17:27 <Rookie_69> This kind of trouble is lots of fun.

17:27 <CoderForLife> hello Mr. D

17:27 <Rookie_69> Pop-O-matic, pop the dice...

17:28 <xcamel> "stimulus package" sounds like randy teenagers... oh wait...

17:28 <Rookie_69> Pop a six and you move twice.

17:28 <CoderForLife> we made a decision at w@#% one time with a pop-a-matic a woman had on her keychain

17:28 <Soul_keeper> haha

17:29 <CoderForLife> we couldn't decide, so it was as good approach as any

17:29 <PovAddict> 1 to 5, you die

17:29 <PovAddict> 6, roll again!

17:29 <Rookie_69> Lol.

17:30 <xcamel> sounds like a chinese court...

17:30 <Rookie_69> Russian Roulette with a vengence.

17:30 <CoderForLife> makes for quick decisions

17:31 <Rookie_69> Lol. Reminds me of one of the Monty Python movies.

17:31 * CoderForLife does data entry to update personal finances

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17:32 <CoderForLife> um

17:33 <xcamel> &url -with 'python'

17:33 <Romulus> xcamel: Are you daft?

17:33 <Rookie_69> Mebbe...

17:33 <xcamel> nutz..

17:34 <PovAddict> &last url --with python

17:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a net!@#& the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must (1 more message)

17:34 <PovAddict> or not

17:34 <PovAddict> &url last --with python

17:34 <Romulus> PovAddict: http://i.gizmodo.com/5137827/monty-python-puts-free-videos-online-sells-23000-more-dvds

17:34 <PovAddict> \ø/

17:34 <xcamel> that was the one..

17:35 <xcamel> check it out, Glenn

17:35 <Rookie_69> Trial and error...

17:35 <CoderForLife> aka w@#%

17:36 <xcamel> "Cops: New York dealers sold heroin branded with president's name"

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17:37 <PovAddict> o_O

17:37 <Rookie_69> Hey! that link works. I get a lot of "This video can't be played in your area" messages lately.

17:38 <Tank_Master> o.0?

17:38 <Soul_keeper> youtube is supposed to be slowly implementing video downloads now, to where you can save them

17:38 * Rookie_69 saves link.

17:39 <Soul_keeper> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V25iA2XPzuA&NR=1

17:39 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - Muddy Waters - Got my Mojo !@#&in' (at www.youtube.com)

17:39 <xcamel> thought you'd like it..

17:39 <Soul_keeper> :)

17:44 <PovAddict> I deployed a new app on my test boinc project, but nobody's requesting work

17:45 <PovAddict> so I think I'll go get ice cream while waiting for the users ->

17:46 <xcamel> icecream is good..

17:47 <Rookie_69> Did you tell anybody you were deploying a new app?..

17:47 <Rookie_69> Ice cream sounds good.

17:47 <Tank_Master> icecream app?

17:47 <PovAddict> Rookie_69: I did, but nobody is looking at the forums either ;)

17:48 <Rookie_69> I scream!

17:48 <Rookie_69> Point taken.

17:50 <xcamel> pov - leaving the symbol tables in slowed BM operation down alot

17:50 <xcamel> makes it "laggy"

17:51 <PovAddict> hmm probably it's not just symbol tables

17:51 <PovAddict> but also compiled with debugging code and without optimization...

17:51 <xcamel> go figure

17:51 <PovAddict> (or maybe just debugging code... I don't think they turn optimization off for debug builds)

17:51 <xcamel> the exec is huge

17:51 <PovAddict> if you just care about exec size, run 'strip' on it

17:52 <PovAddict> $ strip boinc

17:52 <CoderForLife> eek

17:52 <PovAddict> can't tell you what to do about the lag though

17:52 <xcamel> it's boincmanager that's slowed way down

17:52 <CoderForLife> a rather harsh way to remove debugging symbols

17:53 <PovAddict> strip boincmgr :)

17:53 <PovAddict> hmm

17:53 <xcamel> we'll see..

17:53 <xcamel> cd /misc/BOINC

17:53 <PovAddict> it might also be that the new code to communicate with the core client just sucks :) (I mentioned before that 6.6 manager changes lots of internals)

17:55 <xcamel> cut them both down to 1/3 size

17:55 <Tank_Master> -rm *.*

17:55 <xcamel> yeah.. that did it..

17:55 <xcamel> taking out the trash...

17:56 <xcamel> spork >> 92.113.149.136

17:57 <Tank_Master> while your at it - sport 10.1.10.1

17:59 <xcamel> in your dreams..

17:59 <PovAddict> ::1?

18:02 <CoderForLife> Stephen's home for dinner - going downstairs to sit with him

18:02 <CoderForLife> bbiab

18:06 <PovAddict> cross-compiling Python for Windows on a Linux machine - this will be fun...

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18:08 <Tank_Master> o.0?

18:09 <Tank_Master> glutten for punishment?

18:09 <PovAddict> failed on first file it tried to compile \o/

18:09 <Rookie_69> Say Hi to Stephen for us outlanders...

18:17 * CoderForLife returns

18:18 <CoderForLife> I'll tell him as he comes by, Rookie_69

18:19 <CoderForLife> Stephen says Hi - if he knew NovaScotian he'd say it in that

18:20 <xcamel> lol

18:21 <CoderForLife> just reporting the halifax

18:22 * xcamel groans

18:22 <PovAddict> hmm

18:22 <CoderForLife> reminder: my purpose here is to entertain - there is no quality measure

18:23 <PovAddict> I think my system is configured to reboot on a ctrl-alt-del; but is it only from a tty? is it safe to press ctrl-alt-del while on X?

18:23 * Rookie_69 shuts up because he's confused.

18:23 <PovAddict> I need to send ctrl-alt-del over a vnc session and my client doesn't have a special button for it

18:23 <CoderForLife> iirc, there is a simple test, PovAddict

18:24 <CoderForLife> is there a menu choice?

18:24 <PovAddict> this vnc client has no menus and no toolbar (I should be glad it has scroll bars)

18:25 <CoderForLife> um, it sux =)

18:25 <CoderForLife> right mouse click?

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18:26 <PovAddict> sends right mouse click to remote server

18:26 * CoderForLife shrugs

18:27 <CoderForLife> I run UltraVNC

18:27 <CoderForLife> there's a menubar button labeled "CAD"

18:27 <PovAddict> none of the vnc clients available in ubuntu repo seem to have anything more than the remote screen's contents and scrollbars

18:27 <xcamel> in the vnc window it would be ctl-alt-bkspace

18:28 <CoderForLife> hmm

18:28 <xcamel> shuts x on that end

18:28 <xcamel> er it should

18:28 <PovAddict> no, that would shut X on *my* end...

18:28 <CoderForLife> you want to send CAD to the other side, right?

18:29 <xcamel> otherwise from a console window there - type init 2

18:29 <PovAddict> I'm on Linux connecting to Windows, need to send it a ctrl-alt-del for logon

18:29 <xcamel> oops - init 3

18:29 <PovAddict> but I fear it would reboot my local Linux machine instead

18:29 <xcamel> can you open a tty in that window?

18:29 <CoderForLife> Shift-Ctrl-Alt-Del

18:30 <xcamel> that's the one

18:30 <CoderForLife> according to Google

18:30 <PovAddict> in what window?

18:30 <xcamel> the vnc

18:30 <CoderForLife> right

18:30 <CoderForLife> 4 keys

18:30 <PovAddict> I see this in the VNC client -> http://www.csuci.edu/it/tutorials/images_lablogon/01.gif

18:30 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cxyn3h> (at www.csuci.edu)

18:31 <PovAddict> VNC client on Linux, VNC server on Windows

18:31 <CoderForLife> when the VNC window on your side has input focus

18:32 <PovAddict> FOUND IT

18:32 <CoderForLife> *drum roll*

18:32 <PovAddict> Ctrl-F8 opened a list of options, including "Change color depth, "Refresh screen now", "Send Ctrl-alt-del"

18:32 <CoderForLife> eureka

18:33 <PovAddict> manpage didn't mention ctrl-F8 anywhere

18:33 <PovAddict> heh, it's really slow

18:33 <PovAddict> it decided it was on the local machine, so it disabled compression

18:33 <PovAddict> it's not on the local machine, it's a ssh tunnel (so I get to it via 127.0.0.1)

18:34 <CoderForLife> what kinds of trouble am I going to get into changing the e-mail address I've given to all the BOINC projects?

18:34 <CoderForLife> spammers have the address

18:35 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: CPID split, your all-project stats will "break" and join back when all projects update

18:35 <CoderForLife> do I need to use the same address for all?

18:35 <PovAddict> when some projects change and others don't yet, it will look like you have two accounts

18:35 <xcamel> it helps..

18:36 <CoderForLife> I just see 9 kinds of heck breaking out

18:36 <xcamel> only 9?

18:36 <PovAddict> you *can* use different addresses, but then things like this won't work -> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_223629.gif

18:36 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/csy4oj> (at www.boincstats.com)

18:36 <CoderForLife> one for each current project?

18:36 <PovAddict> because it can't link together your accounts on different projects

18:37 <CoderForLife> that's just *gotta* work

18:37 <xcamel> it amazes me that noone is running a secret 'harvester@home' project...

18:37 <CoderForLife> I suppose I can just change them all to a new one

18:37 <PovAddict> if email addresses differ, there is no way it can know user 2361 on LHC is the same as user 20898 on QMC

18:37 <CoderForLife> running you own mail server has it's advantages

18:37 <PovAddict> (note stats sites don't get your email address, they get a hash)

18:39 <CoderForLife> I'll just move to a new address

18:40 <CoderForLife> one of my weekend projects

18:54 <CoderForLife> hmm - it's not good when your check number is nearly equal to your check amount

18:57 <xcamel> I've kept mine "off by $0.17" for 10 years..

18:58 <CoderForLife> some kind of perverse pleasure?

18:59 * CoderForLife makes another wall payment

19:00 <xcamel> seems so..

19:00 <PovAddict> how long will you be paying for it?

19:01 <CoderForLife> 5 years

19:01 <PovAddict> eep

19:01 <CoderForLife> about $1600 per month

19:01 <CoderForLife> well not exactly

19:01 * PovAddict doesn't want to make the multiplication

19:01 <CoderForLife> expecting a large tax refund due to casuality loss

19:02 <PovAddict> casuality loss?

19:02 <CoderForLife> I will retire about $17000 of that debt in one swell foop

19:02 <PovAddict> ah

19:02 <CoderForLife> US tax deduction for unexpected damages or theft of property

19:03 <CoderForLife> but the other pieces of money are running on 5 year schedules

19:04 <CoderForLife> I'll take the payment I'm making on the $17000, and double down on the next most expensive loan

19:05 <CoderForLife> I'll continue to chip away at the $78,000

19:06 * CoderForLife grabs his pick axe

19:07 <xcamel> ou need a bigger axe

19:08 <xcamel> stealth "y"

19:08 <CoderForLife> oy vey

19:09 <CoderForLife> doesn't look like my axe ship is going to come in this year

19:11 <CoderForLife> final form 4684 was updated in TurboTax this week, so I'm ready to produce my tax return

19:15 <CoderForLife> woot

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19:20 * xcamel hates taxes

19:20 <PovAddict> xcamel: you'll now be charged a fine for saying you hate taxes

19:20 <PovAddict> and we'll apply taxes on the fine

19:27 * Rookie_69 thinks Don lives off fo the FUB principal.

19:28 <Rookie_69> ... Nothing personal...

19:29 <CoderForLife> FUB?  as in FUBAR?

19:30 <Rookie_69> FUB as in F*xck You Buddy!

19:35 * CoderForLife tries to enjoy it

19:38 <CoderForLife> well - bills are all written

19:40 * Rookie_69 looks at Gregor and wonders why wdsmia isn't missing limbs.

19:42 <wdsmia> yee thow I walk thur the valley of the shadow of death I shall fear not... for Im the biggest SOB in the valley

19:43 <Rookie_69> If I had my life to live over... I'd live it over a whorehouse.

19:46 <Rookie_69> Left eye focuses on screen...

19:47 <Rookie_69> Right eye wanders off...

19:48 * xcamel eyes cross trying to follow

19:49 * CoderForLife closes his eyes after arm wrestling SAP today

19:50 <xcamel> you don't 'use' SAP -- you marry it.

19:50 <CoderForLife> no - they buy someone else you're married to

19:51 <CoderForLife> Business Objects

19:52 <xcamel> "big love"

19:53 <CoderForLife> the people in the room were quite amazed/entertained today as I worked the new SAP account team

19:58 <CoderForLife> brb  beverage

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20:06 <xcamel> wonder if 'moonlight' is going to be any good..

20:06 <CoderForLife> wazzat - new series?

20:07 <PovAddict> silverlight for linux?

20:07 <xcamel> on at 9

20:07 <PovAddict> I'd rather boycott sites using silverlight >:)

20:08 <CoderForLife> it's a regular Ponzi bonanza out there

20:16 * KathrynM waves hello from the beginning of a 4 day weekend

20:17 <CoderForLife> nice - hiya KathrynM

20:17 <KathrynM> I have a programming goal to work toward.

20:17 <KathrynM> I want to write a bingo card generator.

20:17 <CoderForLife> ah, perfect!

20:18 <KathrynM> I still don't know enough python, but I'm getting there

20:18 <CoderForLife> it's good to have a specific goal when learning a new language

20:19 * KathrynM nods

20:20 <PovAddict> when I wanted to start learning assembly, my goal was quite "advanced"... currently left low in the to-do list

20:20 <KathrynM> :)

20:20 <PovAddict> now I have something tricky to do...

20:20 <PovAddict> compile a static python library for Windows

20:21 <PovAddict> I can either struggle with mingw cross-compiler, or VNC to the computer at w$%& (which has Windows and Visual Studio)

20:21 <KathrynM> better you than me

20:22 <CoderForLife> it's Rarely Convenient to do Windows things the non-Windows way

20:22 <PovAddict> well, I *have* successfully compiled quite a few Windows binaries with mingw, from Linux

20:22 <PovAddict> and ran them with Wine to see if they worked :)

20:23 <PovAddict> but Python doesn't seem to like mingw... there is a set of patches to make it work but it's for an old python version, the project seems abandoned

20:25 <CoderForLife> maybe it's haunted...

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20:25 <CoderForLife> jinxed...

20:25 <PovAddict> there are two options...

20:25 <PovAddict> a configure/make system, which doesn't work right on Windows, or a visual studio project file

20:26 <PovAddict> guess what other open source project has that problem...

20:28 <PovAddict> argh

20:28 <PovAddict> alt-f4 closes the vnc client, instead of sending it to the remote machine so some window there closes

20:28 <CoderForLife> heh

20:28 <CoderForLife> frustrating

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20:33 <PovAddict> just did it again -.-

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20:35 <CoderForLife> I don't suppose you can reassign keys, like in a cfg file somewhere

20:38 <PovAddict> opening project properties *still* makes visual studio crash, even now that I installed its SP1

20:38 <CoderForLife> that's weird - what version of VS?

20:39 <PovAddict> 2005

20:41 <CoderForLife> I have VS 2008 Professional

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20:56 <xcamel> nytol..

20:57 <CoderForLife> cya

20:57 <CoderForLife> me 2 very soon

21:03 <CoderForLife> ok me 2 time

21:03 <CoderForLife> gn boinclanders near and far

21:04 * CoderForLife sees he was never here, only away

21:04 * CoderForLife sighs, and disappears into the gathering mists

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21:37 <jasong> off-topic for the channel, but does anyone here use Steam to game?

21:38 * jasong goes to watch Fringe on Hulu.com , so my response may not come for a while :)

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22:07 <PovAddict> CoderForLife: something must be wrong with the OS or something

22:07 <PovAddict> I reinstalled visual studio and it still crashes when I try to view project properties

22:08 <Soul_keeper> lol

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22:21 <PovAddict> it's kinda funny when I see somebody on a mailing list or whatever... with a name like 李祥曦

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22:55 <PovAddict> /summon zombie67

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