IRC logs of #boinc for Sunday, 2009-01-25

00:00 <efc> Night rookie

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00:03 <PovAddict> efc: I got my asm working :)

00:19 <efc> cool

00:23 <MTughan> Oh, PovAddict: Remember the stuffed gnu I said was being auctioned off?

00:23 <MTughan> I bought another one from Stallman afterwards. :D

00:23 <MTughan> Got a bunch of free stickers too.

00:24 <MTughan> Four DBD, three GPLv3, two GNU, and one FSF.

00:28 <KathrynM> gonna send one to me, MTughan?

00:28 <MTughan> Which one?

00:28 <Romulus> It has been said that Which one is giving you headaches, MTughan

00:28 <KathrynM> doesn't matter :)

00:28 <MTughan> lol

00:28 <KathrynM>

00:28 <Romulus> <> (at

00:29 <KathrynM> I think Jord's having a bad day

00:29 <MTughan> Heh.

00:30 <KathrynM> gonna get dressed and go grocery shopping

00:30 <KathrynM> :/

00:30 <KathrynM> later taters

00:30 <MTughan> rofl, maybe someone should talk to Jord...

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00:38 <efc> There must be a motor I could make out of neodymium spheres..

00:39 <MTughan_> I don't know what's up with my connection tonight...

01:16 <Soul_keeper> hmmm some senator tryed to extort money from john travolta

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01:24 <Soul_keeper> lol, parents can buy drug sniffing dogs now to keep tabs on their kids

01:25 <PovAddict> MTughan: whats DBD?

01:25 <MTughan> Defective By Design. FSF's campaign against DRM.

01:25 <PovAddict> stickers <3

01:27 <PovAddict> I dont want to stick it on the computer case... what if I change distro next month? :)

01:27 <PovAddict> er, somehow a message didnt get sent

01:28 <PovAddict> I have Ubuntu stickers that came wih my free CD (shipit)

01:28 <MTughan> Ah, makes sense now.

01:28 <PovAddict> but i havent used any yet

01:28 <PovAddict> I dont want to stick it on the computer case... what if I change distro next month? :)

01:29 <Soul_keeper> i guess it's just a drug sniffing dog service, you call them and they bring the dog over to sniff around your kid's room

01:31 <PovAddict> I find it sad that people i knew from high school now join facebook groups like 'no to the price increase in cigarettes'

01:31 <MTughan> lol

01:31 <PovAddict> well, some already smoked back then acually

01:32 * PovAddict cant stand people smoking at less than 1m from him

01:32 <MTughan> I wonder sometimes how Quebecers survive... Seems like they all smoke.

01:32 <MTughan> I think it's a trait from the French.

01:33 <PovAddict> smoking is how hardcore procrastinators suicide

01:33 <MTughan> rofl

01:33 <PovAddict> takes them years!

01:34 <PovAddict> nobody in my immediate family smokes... my mom used to, but stopped smoking long before knowing my dad...

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01:40 <PovAddict> there's a mosquito flying around me -.-

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02:01 <Tidus> i hate hardware failures :(

02:02 <MTughan> Tell me about it... >_>

02:02 <Tidus> hard drive in laptop died. you?

02:02 <MTughan> PSU fuse blow.

02:03 <Tidus> icky

02:03 <mchelen> thats what distributed filesystems and processing are for though :)

02:03 <Tidus> well, one of the hard drives failed out.

02:03 <Tidus> luckily it just held my 'scratch partition'

02:03 <Soul_keeper> brock lesnar is one huge dude

02:03 <Soul_keeper> like 280lbs   looks like a bear

02:04 <Soul_keeper> no fat either

02:11 * Soul_keeper is watching UFC 91

02:13 <Tidus> well, good thing i have a job now

02:13 <Tidus> can replace said hard disk in just a tick over a week

02:13 <Soul_keeper> :)

02:13 <Tidus> getting a nice upgrade too while i'm at it

02:13 <Tidus> going from 100gb to 500

02:14 <Soul_keeper> i saw a 1TB external drive for around 100 bucks

02:14 <Tidus> my laptop's got two internal drive bays for hard disks

02:14 <Tidus> why do i need an external?

02:15 <Soul_keeper> you tell me

02:15 <Soul_keeper> i'm just saying 100 bucks is cheap

02:15 <Tidus> that's about what the 500gb internal will cost

02:16 <Tidus>

02:16 <Romulus> <> (at

02:16 <Soul_keeper> 1 to 2 bucks per GB is nice

02:17 <Soul_keeper> yeah laptop, will charge you a few extra $

02:17 <Tidus> $109 for a 500gb internal

02:17 <Soul_keeper> that's massive for a laptop hard drive

02:17 <Tidus> two of those will keep me set on space for a while

02:17 <Soul_keeper> not bad

02:17 <Tidus> laptop's got two 2.5" hdd bays in it, so 2x500gb on it will be more than plenty

02:17 <Tidus> for now

02:18 <Soul_keeper> ohhh yeah

02:18 <Soul_keeper> i got 2x320  in my desktop for storage

02:18 <Soul_keeper> payed 100 a peice for them a year or more ago

02:18 <Tidus> then if i need more i can just add an external or add more hdd space to my NAS unit

02:19 <Soul_keeper> well once youtube gets their download service going ....

02:19 <Soul_keeper> :)

02:19 <Tidus> heh yeah

02:19 <Tidus> for now though...

02:19 <Romulus> Title: KeepVid: Download and save any video from Youtube, Dailymotion, Metacafe, iFilm and more! (at

02:22 <Soul_keeper> i remember paying nearly 300 bucks for an 80GB hd when they came out

02:45 <MTughan> Heh... Look at the book he's reading in the last panel.

02:45 <Romulus> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del (at

02:46 <Tidus> lol

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03:00 <MTughan>

03:00 <Romulus> <> (at

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03:37 <Tank_Master> isnt the point of the experment to see if we know for su=hrue whats going on?

03:38 <Tank_Master> and whats the point of the experement if we already know for sure whats gonna happen? :P

03:39 <MTughan> Frankly, I'm not worrying about that ATM. It's 3:40AM, and I'm damn tired.

03:42 <MTughan> &nn

03:42 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

03:49 <Soul_keeper> "i wish we had time to bury them fellas"  "the hell with them fellas ... the vultures gotta eat same as the worms"

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05:07 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

05:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 16.3F / -8.7C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1024.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers this afternoon. Highs in the upper 20s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance (1 more message)

05:07 <CoderForLife> &more

05:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of snow showers. Lows 15 to 20. North winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 30. North winds around 5 mph.;

05:14 * KathrynM is thinking about baking cookies

05:15 <Soul_keeper> "a man has to do something for a livin'"  "dyin' ain't much of a livin' son"

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05:46 <CoderForLife> morning KathrynM Soul_keeper

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05:47 <Soul_keeper> hey

05:47 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

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05:56 <meglaw> hello

05:56 <CoderForLife> hello meglaw

05:56 <meglaw> nice to see there is a channel for us

05:58 <CoderForLife> 2 channels - this one for general boinc banter, and #boinc_dev for developer techtalk

05:58 <meglaw> ye

05:59 <meglaw> so, i got like 560k credits, 7k classic seti@home units. ;)

05:59 <CoderForLife> nice

05:59 <meglaw> been regged on seti@home sence 2000. :)

06:02 <CoderForLife> My SAH date is May 14, 1999

06:03 <meglaw> impressice

06:03 <meglaw> -c+v

06:04 <Soul_keeper>    i had 8.3K in seti classic :)

06:04 <Romulus> <> (at

06:04 <meglaw> i hope more boinc projects will starts supporting cuda soon

06:04 <Soul_keeper> i miss my old crew :(

06:04 <meglaw> lol 4h per unit. :) i did one i 8-9 back then. :)

06:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah i always had the fastest most overclocked setups :)  subzero cooling  and all that fun

06:05 <meglaw> ohh

06:05 <meglaw> who´s is Romulus, thats a nice tinyurl transform script

06:06 <CoderForLife> Romulus belongs to xcamel

06:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Are you daft?

06:06 <CoderForLife> He's a Supybot

06:06 <meglaw> ohh, its not an eggdrop..

06:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

06:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 15.6F / -9.1C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024.3hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny this morning...then mostly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers this afternoon. Highs in the upper 20s. North winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 40 percent (1 more message)

06:07 <CoderForLife> &more

06:07 <Romulus> CoderForLife: chance of snow showers. Lows 15 to 20. North winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 30. North winds around 5 mph.;

06:11 <meglaw> nice i found one for eggdro that does the same. :)

06:34 <KathrynM> gah.  The North American Linksys support folks wouldn't answer a simple question about a router purchases in the US.  They wanted to send me to the Korean folks, who, amazingly, don't speak English.

06:34 <KathrynM> *purchased

06:34 <CoderForLife> hmm

06:35 <CoderForLife> did they give a reason?

06:36 <KathrynM> They're the North American support people.  I'm not in their region

06:37 <KathrynM> I'm just going to plug in the bloody thing and hope I can configure it from the webpage.  If not, I'll boot over to Windows and use their stupid software.

06:37 <CoderForLife> I guess internal politics is the usual reason jsutification given to screw over customers by withholding information

06:37 <CoderForLife> er reason/justification

06:38 <KathrynM> ha.  their stupid registration page doesn't even work with FF3

06:38 <KathrynM> I love it

06:38 * KathrynM bangs her head on her desk

06:39 <CoderForLife> all reasons why I don't buy Linksys

06:39 <CoderForLife> NetGear here

06:39 <KathrynM> My brother sent it to me for Christmas

06:40 <KathrynM> It's gotta be better than what I have.  At least I'll be able to configure it in English.

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06:41 <CoderForLife> I'd stand a better chance with Klingon than Korean

06:43 <KathrynM> me too

06:50 * CoderForLife compares his 2008 tax results to 2007

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07:03 <Xunie> CoderForLife, Man, I still want to install some custom firmware on that router I have (linksys)... Increasing maximum connections, Using it as a NAT/DHCP for my network, Perfect.

07:03 <Xunie> Maybe I can run a custom boinc client on it!

07:04 <Xunie> Would take a year to complete one job.

07:04 <Xunie> But, It works!

07:04 <CoderForLife> lol

07:05 <Xunie> Maybe I can split the boinc job, To my box/laptop _and_ router...

07:06 <Xunie> Wow, But that would require rewriting the algorythm of setiathome (I think)...

07:06 <Xunie> Wow, Maybe I can buy a lot of those routers, Would be awesome to have a super computer made out of routers, And boinc.

07:06 <CoderForLife> most likely

07:06 <Xunie> I'm so geeky, I'll never get a girlfriend.

07:07 * Xunie cries

07:07 <CoderForLife> find a girlfriend that shares your interests

07:07 <Xunie> On a linux BBQ?

07:07 <Xunie> Linux User Group?

07:08 <Xunie> :/

07:08 <CoderForLife> let's ask an expert - KathrynM, where should Xunie look for a geek girl?

07:08 <Xunie> I think we need to set up a community, Like the amish, But only with geeks... Yay!

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07:10 <CoderForLife> &eightball  Will Xunie get a girlfriend?

07:10 <Romulus> CoderForLife: The answer is a resounding no.

07:10 <CoderForLife> oops, sorry Xunie

07:10 <Xunie> Romulus, How about now?

07:10 <Romulus> Xunie: Are you daft?

07:10 <Xunie> Also: Results 1 - 10 of about 5,470,000 for linux dating. (0.26 seconds)

07:10 <Xunie> Fight the system!

07:11 <CoderForLife> rage against the machine

07:11 <Xunie> :)

07:16 <Xunie> Well, To be honest I don't have a GF, And quite frankly, I don't miss out on them...

07:17 <Xunie> I had a crush on a girl at my school, She betrayed her boyfriend with one at the school, And she betrayed her second boyfriend with a third one, And now she is back at the second one...

07:18 <Xunie> TBH: It LOOKS like she is a slut...

07:18 <Xunie> And quite frankly, I am glad she didn't pick me as a 'mate'...

07:19 <CoderForLife> maybe that's how she shops - buys the item at the store, tries it on later, and takes it back for a refund

07:19 <Xunie> (Man, I gotta stop applying scientific terms to personal relations, Sounds so geeky)

07:19 <Xunie> Well, She's a shopaholic.

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07:20 <CoderForLife> ah, I love it when my insights are proven

07:24 * CoderForLife lays his 2007 and 2008 tax returns aside

07:24 <CoderForLife> everything seems to check out

07:25 <Xunie> Going to a pshychiatrist: Courage and 150$ session;   Regaining self confidence: 250$ out with friends on your expense;     Internet Relay Shrinking: Priceless.

07:25 <CoderForLife> heh

07:26 <CoderForLife> Internet Relay Counseling

07:29 <CoderForLife> brb    more beverage

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07:45 * CoderForLife plans his Coding day

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07:56 <Xunie> CoderForLife, Are you planning on the ballmer peak?

07:57 <Xunie>

07:57 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Ballmer Peak (at

07:58 <CoderForLife> as long as it can be achieved with non-alcoholic beverages

07:58 <CoderForLife> sugar and caffeine make a potent cocktail

07:59 <Xunie> Man, I would definatly buy it, Its a hole-in-the-market!

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08:20 <xkahuna> 'lo

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08:26 <xcamel> mornin

08:31 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:31 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 2.9F / -16.2C | Humidity: 85% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the lower 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Lows around 5 above. West winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Partly sunny. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds 5 to 10 mph.;

08:31 <xcamel> &more

08:31 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more.  To do so, call this command with that person's nick.

08:31 <meglaw> &wx 42448

08:31 <Romulus> meglaw: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error

08:31 <xcamel> strange..

08:31 <meglaw> &wx gothenburg

08:31 <xcamel> &zipinfo 42448

08:31 <Romulus> xcamel: Only about 43,000 of the 100,000 possible 5-digit ZIP codes are currently in use.  42448 is not one of them.

08:32 <Romulus> meglaw: Temperature: 10F / -12C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.25in / 1024hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 9mph / 15km/h ; Rest of Today - Cloudy with a 60 percent chance of light snow. Cold. Snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Highs around 15. East winds around 10 mph.; Tonight - Snow likely. Cold. Snow accumulation of 2 to 3 inches. Total snow accumulation 2 (1 more message)

08:32 <xcamel> &more meglaw

08:32 <Romulus> xcamel: to 4 inches. Lows around 6. East winds around 10 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Monday - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Very cold. Highs around 10. Northeast winds around 10 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Dawson County in effect until 6:00 AM CST on January 26, 2009;

08:32 <xcamel> gothenburg germany?

08:32 <meglaw> noo

08:33 <meglaw> &wx goteborg

08:33 <Romulus> meglaw: Temperature: 37°F / 3°C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 29.47in / 998hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 2:20 PM CET; Chance of Rain. High:37 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:32 F.; Chance of Snow. High:35 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:30 F.;

08:33 <meglaw> ah. that agrees.

08:33 <xcamel> switzerland?

08:33 <meglaw> Goteborg, Sweden

08:33 <meglaw> home of vikings, tpb and cute blod girls

08:33 <xcamel> that was my last guess..

08:35 <xcamel> Closest I've been is Denmark

08:35 <meglaw> its cold and dark here

08:36 <xcamel> cold and bright here..

08:36 <xcamel> Temperature: 2.9°F / -16.2°C

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08:37 <xcamel> I see everyone in Holland is back on skates now...

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08:37 <xcamel> all the canals froze over after how many years?

08:37 <meglaw> Daylight Length: 7h 53m

08:40 <xcamel> yea, you're 10° further north than I am...

08:41 <meglaw> it sucks

08:41 <meglaw> so Romulus is not running utf-8 i see

08:41 <xcamel> sunrise 7:16, sunset 4:58 here

08:42 <xcamel> I should fix that one of these days...but I'm lazy

08:42 <meglaw> i wanna move down 20-30 degrees

08:42 <meglaw> i wanna be able to grow more stuff outside

08:42 <meglaw> as it is now all i can get up is like tomatos and strawbetters and herbs

08:43 <meglaw> and only that during 4 short summermonths

08:44 <xcamel> Frankly I never figured out how to set a default font for supybot

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08:52 <CoderForLife> morning Jay

08:53 <CoderForLife> finished up my taxes this morning - ready to file them this week

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09:04 <xcamel> mornion Don

09:04 <xcamel> lol

09:04 <xcamel> mornin even

09:05 <xcamel> 'What, Me Worry? MAD Magazine Going Quarterly'

09:05 <xcamel> oh noes!

09:06 <xcamel> wowza..

09:06 <xcamel>

09:06 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 25 - Annular Eclipse: The Ring of Fire (at

09:11 <xcamel> 7... 7 degrees... bwahahahaha

09:12 * CoderForLife looks out the window and counts

09:12 <CoderForLife> I see 13 degrees out there

09:14 <xcamel> with your eye you did spy...

09:14 <CoderForLife> a-yuppa

09:14 <CoderForLife> I spy with my little eye

09:16 <xcamel> what is the usual cause of css not loading on refresh...

09:17 <CoderForLife> lack of server response

09:17 <xcamel> server error?

09:19 <CoderForLife> I'm going to start a fire in the fireplace and Code on the counch - bb from there

09:19 <CoderForLife> er couch

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09:29 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

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09:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 7.6F / -13.6C | Humidity: 83% | Pressure: 30.46in / 1031.4hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Light snow early in the morning...then a chance of light snow late in the morning. A slight chance of light snow in the afternoon. Snow accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Total snow accumulation 3 to 5 inches. High around (1 more message)

09:29 <wdsmia> &more

09:29 <Romulus> wdsmia: 15. North wind near 5 mph. Chance of snow near 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of light snow. Low zero to 5 above. North wind around 5 mph.; Monday - Cloudy with a 40 percent chance of light snow. High around 15. Northeast wind around 5 mph.; Winter Weather Advisory for Polk County in effect until 12:00 PM CST on January 25, 2009;

09:29 <CoderOnTheCouch> hi Doug

09:29 <wdsmia> *lo Don

09:30 <CoderOnTheCouch> 13F here - I'm about to light a fire in the fireplace

09:33 <xcamel> Doug and I neck and neck in the chill dept.

09:38 <xcamel> it **might** hit the 20's later

09:39 <xcamel> wow - yesterday we picked up 258.2 kWh solar power

09:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> goog job on the insolation conversion

09:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> outside to feed the birds, groom the bird feeder area and bit and retrieve some firewood - bbiab

09:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> er "a bit"

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10:07 <CoderOnTheCouch> birds fed - fire going in the fireplace

10:08 <xcamel> woohoo - up to 11F

10:08 <CoderOnTheCouch> what a rate of rise

10:09 <xcamel> +4.05/hr

10:16 <CoderOnTheCouch> be careful that you don't pop the top off the mercury thermometer

10:18 <xcamel> lol

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12:52 <PovAddict>

12:52 <Romulus> <> (at

12:53 <wdsmia> driveway clear... till the snow plow comes by again

12:56 <meglaw>

12:57 <meglaw> i wanna have one of those for seti

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13:04 <PovAddict> for seti? what a waste

13:14 <meglaw> why

13:14 <meglaw> ok, maby folding would be more worthwile..

13:14 <meglaw> but folding is not on boinc!

13:14 <PovAddict> there are half a dozen protein-folding projects in boinc

13:14 <PovAddict> folding@home just happens not to be one of them

13:15 <Mufleta> theres one as a sub project of WCG

13:15 <PovAddict> it seems people think distributed computing = seti or folding...

13:16 <meglaw> i need a psu.

13:16 <MTughan_> I'd take that and put it on GPUGRID.

13:16 <MTughan_> meglaw: Same here.

13:16 <meglaw> i long for next pay

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13:16 <PovAddict> couldn't fix it?

13:16 <PovAddict> @ MTughan

13:16 <CoderOnTheCouch> peeps

13:16 <meglaw> psu+big hdd + more ram = sell for profit

13:17 <meglaw> have a p4 box just standing there, doing nothing

13:17 <Hodapp> heating your room?

13:18 <MTughan_> PovAddict: I could, but after nearly shocking myself with 120V and who knows how many amps, I figure I'm better off getting a new PSU.

13:18 <PovAddict> o_o

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13:18 <PovAddict> how?

13:18 <Romulus> Somebody said how is breakfast, PovAddict

13:18 <MTughan> Didn't I tell you about that?

13:19 <PovAddict> nope

13:19 <PovAddict> did you try to change the fuse with the PSU plugged in or what? :P

13:19 <Hodapp> The number of amps is probably just < 1 mA, because it starts to become fatal quickly after that.

13:19 <MTughan> No, I tried to splice a wire in place of the fuse while it was still plugged in, albeit it turned off.

13:19 <MTughan> Hodapp: I didn't touch it, but I created a very large spark.

13:20 <MTughan> My pliers jumped hot to ground, and I'm just glad they were insulated.

13:24 <Hodapp> Eh, you'd prolly be fine if they weren't. It probably brought the hot line to ground briefly.

13:25 <Hodapp> so the pliers probably were at ground as well,

13:29 <MTughan> I still felt tingly in the fingers afterwards.

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13:30 <MTughan> Plus I blackend the insulation on the wire I was splicing in.

13:30 <Hodapp> you probably still caused a large current flow

13:31 <MTughan> Yeah.

13:31 <MTughan> It was bigger than the spark I got when I shorted out the PSU and blew the fuse, which was rated for 12A.

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13:34 <CoderOnTheCouch> now the sequence is complete

13:34 <MTughan> Odd... BOINCStats hasn't done the daily yet.

13:40 <PovAddict> I think it would be a very good idea.

13:40 <PovAddict> -  Mahatma Ghandi, when asked what he thought of Western civilization

13:42 <efc> moo

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13:50 <BadBarbarian> 'lo zcamel

13:50 <BadBarbarian> Xcamel sorry

13:50 <MTughan> 'lo BB

13:51 <BadBarbarian> hi MT

13:51 <efc> everybody uses kermitcamel anyway now

13:51 <CoderForLife> hey BB

13:51 <BadBarbarian> hey CLL

13:51 <BadBarbarian> CFL

13:51 * efc ba dum ching

13:51 <BadBarbarian> lol

13:52 <BadBarbarian> silly silly man

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13:54 <CoderForLife> bbl

13:56 <PovAddict> argh, how do I get rid of a zombie process? >.<

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13:57 <efc> Shoot in the head or decapitate. Oh, process.

14:00 <PovAddict> 3031 nicolas   20   0     0    0    0 Z    0  0.0   0:00.00 foo <defunct>

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14:28 <xcamel> nic..

14:28 <xcamel> keep an eye out for anyone reporting journal commit errors running 6.6.2 linux

14:29 <xcamel> might not be related but...

14:31 <PovAddict> doubt it... but interesting

14:32 <PovAddict> however most reports would be in seti forums (where lots of people who don't really know what they're doing have been running 6.6.2 since before it was even announced in boinc_alpha)

14:32 <PovAddict> and I stay away from the insanity that the seti forum is...

14:33 <xcamel> ya think?

14:33 <PovAddict> apparently seti gpu app was as rushed as the boinc client with gpu support

14:34 <PovAddict> and it even caused "science problems" (invalid results)

14:34 <xcamel> I should go back then..

14:34 <xcamel> not hard to do..

14:34 <PovAddict> they'll have to reprocess the affected signal recordings eventually

14:35 <PovAddict> additionally, there were flamewars in the forums about stupid rumors like "is David Anderson trying to get a job at nvidia?"

14:37 <PovAddict>

14:37 <Romulus> <> (at

14:40 <xcamel> we'll go with 6.4.4 for a while and see what happens..

14:41 <xcamel> bbl..

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15:23 <jasong> This is going to be off-topic, but the ##windows channel scrolls too fast for my oddly working brain to tolerate, so I'm hoping someone here can help me...

15:24 <CoderForLife> the fault there is Windows

15:24 <shirish> slightly OT here too, but seems to be down? Can somebody confirm?

15:25 <jasong> I'm trying to determine if my Windows box is capable of playing sound in it's present configuration.  It's a crunching box, and I've just recently decided I wanted to do some gaming.

15:25 <shirish> =

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15:25 <MTughan> WCG is up... shirish: You're using ?

15:25 <shirish> MTughan: yup

15:25 <MTughan> jasong: Look for audio ports on the back. ;)

15:25 <MTughan> shirish: I can get to it.

15:25 <jasong> lime green, right?

15:25 <jasong> or at least a light shade of green

15:25 <shirish> MTughan: its up here now as well, for about an hour it wasn't up, oh well :)

15:26 <MTughan> jasong: Usually.

15:26 <MTughan> shirish: Glad to help.

15:26 <jasong> I have two ports that seem to be the right color

15:26 <shirish> MTughan: thank you, bye for now :)

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15:27 <MTughan> Well, plug some headphones or speakers into there and try playing some music. Worst that can happen is that it's a microphone port.

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15:27 <MTughan> Or some sounds, I just said music.

15:27 <jasong> I've tried that and I got nothing

15:27 <MTughan> XP, Vista, Win7, or older?

15:27 <CoderForLife> make sure the volume is turned up

15:27 <jasong> I tried RealPlayer with headphones and with the speakers, and got absolutely nothing

15:28 <jasong> xp

15:28 <jasong> all the updates Windows Update recommended are installed

15:28 <MTughan> There should be a sound icon in the taskbar. Try double clicking it to bring out the sound output mixer.

15:28 <MTughan> For XP, IIRC, master and Wave out should not be muted.

15:28 <CoderForLife> technically, it's the "Volume" icon

15:29 <jasong> hmmm, that doesn't seem to be here

15:29 <MTughan> Looks like a speaker. ;)

15:29 <jasong> nope, no speaker icon

15:29 <CoderForLife> sux to be your box

15:29 <MTughan> Bring up Device Manager?

15:29 <jasong> brb

15:30 <CoderForLife> yep, that's the next step

15:30 <CoderForLife> see if there

15:30 <CoderForLife> s an audio device

15:30 * CoderForLife wonders how the Enter key got where the spostrophe goes

15:30 <MTughan> What section though? It's under Sound, video, and game controllers in Win7, but jasong can probably figure it out.

15:30 <MTughan> lol

15:31 <MTughan> Well, the apostrophe is right beside the Enter key on a QWERTY.

15:32 <CoderForLife> someone must have switched them in the dark

15:32 <PovAddict> where the spostrophe sposedly is

15:32 <jasong> Had to search, but I found it

15:33 <CoderForLife> under "Sound, video and game controller" in XP, I see I have "SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio"

15:34 <MTughan> jasong: So you do have a sound controller listed?

15:34 <jasong> I have some sections for audio codecs and things, but no particular company

15:35 <jasong> My grandmother just cooked me lunch, and she's going to bitch until I go eat, I'll be back asap

15:35 <CoderForLife> eat then =)

15:35 <MTughan> Do you see anything like (CoderForLife's) "SoundMAX Integrated Digital Audio" or (my) "High Definition Audio Device"? <- Answer when you come back, I just didn't want to type that out again... ;)

15:35 <CoderForLife> I'm heading back down to the couch

15:35 <PovAddict> or AC'97?

15:36 <MTughan> AC'97 is an audio stanard AFAIK.

15:36 <CoderForLife> anything with a red "X" on it (iirc) would be bad

15:36 <PovAddict> could still appear in the driver's name

15:37 <MTughan> Is it a red X or a yellow exclamation mark?

15:37 <CoderForLife> The properties would reveal if it's a hardware device, particularly if it has interrupt mappings

15:37 <CoderForLife> ah, maybe it's the yellow Bang symbol

15:38 <CoderForLife> I forbid hardware problems, so I can't recall =)

15:38 <MTughan> lol

15:39 <CoderForLife> ... to the couch ...

15:39 <MTughan> Seeya.

15:40 <CoderForLife> aiiee  plink

15:44 <jasong> Well, no odd symbols, but when I click on each sub-category the location is always "unknown."

15:47 * jasong uses this opportunity to go wash the chicken smell off

15:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> re-couched

15:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> your clicker smells like chicken?

15:53 <CoderOnTheCouch> &wx 45140

15:53 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Temperature: 20.4F / -6.4C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.27in / 1024.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Snow. Snow accumulation an inch or less. Near steady temperatures in the lower 20s. North winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 100 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 50 percent chance of snow. Lows 10 to 15. (1 more message)

15:53 <CoderOnTheCouch> &more

15:53 <Romulus> CoderOnTheCouch: Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs around 30. North winds around 5 mph.; Winter Storm Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 28, 2009; Special Weather Statement for Hamilton County in effect until 4:00 PM EST on January 25, 2009;

15:54 <Hodapp> what about hamilton county?

15:54 <CoderOnTheCouch> that's putting a watch out in advance...

15:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> Hamilton County, Ohio

15:55 <CoderOnTheCouch> where are you Hodapp?

15:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> Wilmington?

15:56 <Hodapp> nah

15:58 <CoderOnTheCouch> trying to guess at the "woh" in your address

15:59 <MTughan> Wapakoneta, Ohio according to an IP geolocation service.

15:59 <CoderOnTheCouch> Armstrongville

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16:00 <CoderOnTheCouch> Armstrong was a professor at UC while I was there - got to ride on the elevator with him =)

16:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> he's a good elevator pilot, too

16:01 <MTughan> Got a ZIP with the geolocation too: 45819.

16:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> ty Sherlock Tughan  =)

16:02 <MTughan> Fine, you want a URL?

16:02 <CoderOnTheCouch> absolutely

16:03 <MTughan>

16:03 <Romulus> Title: Free Product Demo | IP2Location™ (at

16:03 <CoderOnTheCouch> found you Hodapp, we did

16:11 <efc> I've now assembled one of each size of PVC from 1/2" to 3". Now I can build Voltron or something.

16:12 <CoderOnTheCouch> and then proceed toward world conquest?

16:13 <efc> need 4" for world conquest

16:13 <MTughan> lol

16:14 <jasong> Speaking of world conquest, I need to fix my sound so I can start my own civilization on the computer :)

16:15 <MTughan> So you did find the audio device?

16:16 <jasong> I found out that things are FUBAR, but I'm not sure how to solve that problem.  And the Windows help system doesn't seem to cover my problem

16:17 <MTughan> Can you find the volume control? I think it's in the Accessories start menu somewhere.

16:17 <jasong> Apparenlty, I either have no sound system at all, or the code is screwed up

16:17 <jasong> brb

16:17 <MTughan> It's possible that it does have onboard sound, but you just need the drivers for it too.

16:18 <jasong> it says that there are no mixers available, and it doesn't display the volume control at all

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16:19 <MTughan> All right, so it won't work right now. What motherboard is it?

16:20 <jasong> Good question, I got it about two years ago to make a quad-core cruncher.  Other than the fact that it's an Intel board for a Core2Quad, I'm not sure

16:20 <jasong> brb

16:20 <CoderOnTheCouch> you want to see if Windows can find and config your audio hardware?

16:20 <MTughan> jasong?>

16:20 <jasong> Yes, I think that's the best place to start

16:21 <CoderOnTheCouch> Control Panel/Add Hardware

16:21 <jasong> i've been on Linux for 2-3 years, so my XP skills are rusty

16:21 <Hodapp> btw, WOH = Western Ohio

16:21 <CoderOnTheCouch> ah, thx Hodapp

16:22 <CoderOnTheCouch> north of Dayton and south of Toledo

16:22 <CoderOnTheCouch> You'll soon know the Power of the Dark Side jasong

16:24 <jasong> okay, the drivers are definitely not installed, and the automatic install didn't work.  So now it's a problem of figuring out where to get the drivers

16:25 <MTughan> You said it was an Intel board?

16:25 <jasong> Audio device on high definition audio bus

16:25 <MTughan> CPU-Z should be able to get the MB manufacturer and model.

16:25 <jasong> That's the name that XP gave it

16:25 <jasong> ah, yeah, thanks

16:26 <MTughan> And the drivers can be found through here:

16:26 <Romulus> Title: Download Software, Drivers and Utilities (at

16:27 <CoderOnTheCouch> follow the yellow brick road

16:35 <jasong> Okay, I'm not sure what to do next.  but I now know it's a Socket 775 board, according to cpu-z

16:35 <jasong> 775 LGA it says

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16:36 <CoderOnTheCouch> anything on sound, integrated or otherwise?

16:37 * CoderOnTheCouch is not sure CPUZ gives that - memory fades as he grows older

16:37 <jasong> Well, there's stuff about NVIDIA, I had to get a graphics card to get the board working at all

16:37 <MTughan> jasong: Look in the Motherboard tab, IIRC.

16:38 <MTughan> Mainboard, my bad.

16:38 <jasong> nforce 680i sli

16:39 <jasong> Is that better or worse than GeForce?

16:39 <MTughan> That sounds the northbridge chipset.

16:39 <jasong> I'm guessing worse

16:39 <MTughan> like*

16:39 <MTughan> If your northbridge is an Nforce 680i, it's not an Intel MB.

16:39 <jasong> SPP and MCP, does that ring a bell?

16:40 <MTughan> I believe those are memory profiles.

16:40 <jasong> Yeah, it says it's NVIDIA

16:40 <MTughan> In the Mainboard tab in CPU-Z, what does it say for the Manufacturer?

16:40 <jasong> ah, okay, so the cpu is Intel and the motherboard is NVIDIA I guess

16:41 <jasong> Yes, nvidia

16:41 <MTughan> Nvidia doesn't make motherboards, just like they don't make graphics cards. They make the chips.

16:41 <jasong> Well, the manufacturer is listed as NVIDIA, so I don't know what to say

16:41 <PovAddict> who makes cards?

16:42 <MTughan> BFG, Asus, XFX, Palit, all the sub companies.

16:42 <jasong> Pheonix

16:42 <jasong> That's listed a little ways down

16:42 <jasong> Pheonix Technologies, LTD

16:42 <MTughan> Phoenix... That could be a MB manufacturer, although I've never heard of them.

16:42 <MTughan> Pheonix, not Phoenix?

16:43 <jasong> sorry, yeah

16:43 <jasong> oops

16:43 <jasong> phoenix

16:43 <PovAddict> never seen "Phoenix BIOS" in a POST screen?

16:43 <jasong> I hate that word

16:43 <MTughan> Ah, that's where I've seen it... Yeah, that the BIOS maker.

16:43 <MTughan> Thanks Pov.

16:44 <MTughan> Looks like Asus, BFG, Biostar, EliteGroup, EVGA, Gigabyte, MSI, and XFX made boards based on the nForce 600 chipsets.

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16:45 <jasong> I found the website

16:45 <MTughan> jasong: I don't suppose you see one of those names actually on the motherboard?

16:45 <jasong> Let me look with the flashlight, brb

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16:46 <MTughan> Don't hold me to this, but I believe manufacturers stick with basically one maker of audio chipsets for the most part, so if you can find the actual maker, that narrows down the possibilities greatly.

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16:46 <jasong> I'm seeing nforce 680i sli again

16:46 <jasong> Could that be helpful?

16:47 <MTughan> Not really.

16:47 <jasong> okay

16:48 <jasong> What's a 1394 specfication?

16:48 <MTughan> Firewire.

16:48 <efc> Firewire?

16:48 <jasong> okay

16:48 <MTughan> IEEE 1394 is the Firewire spec.

16:48 <efc> Survey Says..

16:49 <MTughan> I don't know about other makers, but Asus usually puts their logo and model somewhere near the PCI/PCIe slots

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16:57 <jasong> Apparently, I traveled a similar route on the net yesterday, because I'm back to dealing with the fact that Driver Detective refuses to run properly on my computer.

17:00 <MTughan> Hmm... Trying to load drivers from BFG's site loaded generic drivers from Nvidia. You can always try this:

17:00 <Romulus> <> (at

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17:32 <jasong> Question, if I incorrectly loaded GeForce drivers on an nForce board, could that be the reason for my troubles?

17:32 <jasong> I seem to remember "successfully" loading GeForce drivers

17:33 <jasong> lol, it's a piratey tinyurl

17:33 <jasong> 3gdrrr

17:33 <jasong> Arrrr, I'm a pirate

18:00 <CoderOnTheCouch> Arrgh, me hearty

18:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> taking out the trash - bbasap

18:04 * KathrynM groans

18:04 <KathrynM> no w*@&

18:04 <KathrynM> and of course I forgot to turn off my alarm

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18:05 <PovAddict> >.<

18:09 <FreeLarry58> than go back to bed KathrynM

18:10 * FreeLarry58 off to store to see what sort of horse linament he can find for tendons

18:10 <KathrynM> I'm awake now.

18:10 <KathrynM> and I burnt my bagel :/

18:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> aww

18:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> back from taking out the trash

18:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> time to change my e-mail address on all my boinc projects

18:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> you here PovAddict?

18:26 <PovAddict> sort of

18:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm going to start changing my addresses - hopefully I won't come all unglued

18:37 <CoderOnTheCouch> one down, 19 more to go

18:37 <Tidus> cool

18:40 <CoderOnTheCouch> 2.. that's 2 projects changed..  ah ah ah

18:40 <KathrynM> CodingCountOnTheCouch

18:40 <FreeLarry58> ohhh thats going to take a while

18:41 <FreeLarry58> then a couple of days for boincstats to make changes - wonder if it will update the retired projects you have

18:42 <CoderOnTheCouch> unknown

18:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm changing the address on each account page, so prolly not

18:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> like ALife

18:43 <FreeLarry58> lol - only if the projects still allow updates

18:43 <FreeLarry58> yeah its gone gone

18:44 <CoderOnTheCouch> go 'head - cheer me up

18:44 <FreeLarry58> same boat a few months ago

18:44 <FreeLarry58> riesel really hurt me

18:46 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm changing account passwords too

18:47 <FreeLarry58> ohh don't forget after you do to make the changes in bam account

18:48 <CoderOnTheCouch> what do I need to do there?

18:48 <PovAddict> if he uses bam at all...

18:48 <PovAddict> CoderOnTheCouch: do you use BAM?

18:48 <PovAddict> if you do, you could use BAM to change your email/password in one click...

18:50 * FreeLarry58 feeling the burn from new linament and brace

18:50 * FreeLarry58 hope it helps

18:51 <CoderOnTheCouch> I'm making the passwords unique for each project

18:51 <PovAddict> ah then BAM won't work anyway :)

18:52 <CoderOnTheCouch> I was taking my password cue from something you had said previously Pov

18:53 <PovAddict> ?

18:56 <CoderOnTheCouch> about someone cracking boinc accounts if all your passwords were the same

18:59 <MTughan> PovAddict:

18:59 <Romulus> <> (at

19:00 <MTughan> Check the graphs further down.

19:00 <MTughan> Actually, I could've posted anyone's... The three I keep tabs on all suffer from the same problem.

19:00 <PovAddict> JpGraph error

19:01 <MTughan> Yeah.

19:01 <MTughan> Maybe the daily screwed up somewhere?

19:08 <CoderOnTheCouch> um...   do I have to change the settings in each boincmgr I'm running???

19:10 * CoderOnTheCouch waits in fear

19:10 <PovAddict> the boincmgr is irrelevant, remember it's just the GUI :P

19:10 <PovAddict> but no, you don't have to change anything on the running computers

19:10 <CoderOnTheCouch> ok thanks

19:11 <CoderOnTheCouch> I was worried that I was @#$%ing myself over

19:13 <CoderOnTheCouch> OK - got 14 of 20 changed - need to check the password e-mails on some

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19:29 <Soul_keeper> i hate video games

19:30 <Soul_keeper> hours and hours and hours, trying to beat something called  "the unbeatable challenge" ....

19:30 <Soul_keeper> so then i get real angry and modify the headers so it's easier   and i still can't beat it

19:31 <PovAddict> the more you take to beat it, the better it will feel when you finally make it

19:32 <Soul_keeper> yeah but so much of it is change by %  that even if i did beat it, i'd likely never be able to repeat it

19:32 <Soul_keeper> chance

19:32 * CoderOnTheCouch rolls up the couch for the evening

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19:32 <Soul_keeper> i think it was specifically designed by whoever wrote it to be "unbeatable"

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19:36 <Soul_keeper> it's like you got a small base and 4 soldiers, and they send waves of 5 soldiers at you, each like 4 times more powerfull than one of yours

19:37 <Soul_keeper> and they focus on your weakest unit each turn

19:44 <meglaw> i want monney!

19:45 <Soul_keeper> me too

19:46 * CoderForLife gets in line for money

19:46 <CoderForLife> but I'll be in my sleeping bag

19:46 <CoderForLife> gn

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20:07 <MTughan> All right, looks like this PSU can still work... Going to finish off the WCG WUs I have now if I can, but only on two cores to limit power consumption. I'm not not really convinced about my wire...

20:08 <MTughan> All 8GB of memory are still recognized, graphics card is working, and the CPU still seems to work properly, but I'm going to run tests on all of them after a new one is installed.

20:13 <Soul_keeper> vin diesel and  "the rock"   are the same person right ?

20:13 <Soul_keeper> hmmm guess not

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20:27 <jasong> lol

20:28 <jasong> My manager at KFC thought Roseanne of the show "Roseanne" and Rosie O'Donnell were the same person

20:29 <jasong> They're both fat, obnoxious, ugly and have the name Rose in common, so she made a mental leap

20:30 <Soul_keeper> sounds about right

20:30 <Soul_keeper> heh

20:33 <jasong> Possibly stupid question, but if I install Linux and then install XP as a virtual machine, will the sound driver thing be the responsibility of the Linux install at that point?

20:34 <jasong> (I may be phrasing the question badly)

20:35 <jasong> In other words, when it comes to drivers for a Windows VM, which one has most control over drivers?

20:35 <Soul_keeper> yeah everything would essentially run thru the alsa drivers

20:35 <Tidus> jasong: windows has drivers built-in for most all the vmware devices

20:35 <jasong> No, I mean having Windows as a VM

20:35 <Tidus> when you install the vmware-tools in the virtual machine, that'll fix the remaining couple that work funny

20:35 <PovAddict> jasong: Windows would have a driver for "VMware soundcard"

20:35 <PovAddict> not for your real card

20:36 <MTughan> Tidus, PovAddict: He's having trouble getting Windows to recognize his card as a native install. That's the premise for doing a Linux install with VM.

20:36 <PovAddict> what the "VMWare sound card" does is play the audio using whatever the host OS uses

20:36 <jasong> ahh

20:36 * Soul_keeper don't use virtual junk ...

20:36 <jasong> interesting

20:36 <jasong> I might just try that

20:37 <jasong> Makes me wish I hadn't started a 2.5 stint to look for Fermat number factors

20:37 <jasong> +week

20:37 <PovAddict> first see if Linux plays audio by itself... :)

20:38 <jasong> oh, a livecd?

20:38 <jasong> Yeah, that would be a good idea

20:39 <PovAddict> either that or installing...

20:39 <PovAddict> but it would be pretty stupid to try to get Windows in a VM before checking if audio works in Linux... :)

20:39 <jasong> Yeah, but if I install, I might lose windows...I'm very impulsive, so sometimes it's better not to try somethign at all

20:39 <jasong> ah, should've waited before typing

20:40 <jasong> See, impulsive

20:40 <jasong> ;)

20:40 <MTughan> Sounds like me sticking my hands into a power supply... ;)

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20:43 <jasong> hmmm, looks like the live cd will take 2-3 hours to download

20:43 * jasong twiddles thumbs

20:43 <Tidus> jasong: what kind of sound card do you have?

20:44 <jasong> good question, I haven't even confirmed that the computer is capable of sound at all

20:44 <Tidus> lol

20:44 <MTughan> We were trying to figure that out. He has an nForce 680i SLI chipset, but I don't know that we found the MB maker.

20:44 <jasong> It's was originally built to just be a cruncher

20:44 <Tidus> most nforce boards have audio built in

20:44 <jasong> Oh, I think it's Phoenix Technologies

20:45 <Tidus> look for 3.5mm headphone jacks on the back of the machine

20:45 <MTughan> We found an audio device in the Device Manager, and I believe a plug on the rear.

20:45 <jasong> My dad thinks it's a software issue, but I don't know

20:45 <MTughan> jasong: Phoenix is the BIOS maker, not the motherboard maker.

20:45 <jasong> oh

20:45 <jasong> I plugged in headphones and didn't hear anything when I tried to play something in Real Player

20:46 <Tidus> which jack did you plug it in to? lol... the green one?

20:46 <Tidus> green = line out, blue = line in, pink = microphone

20:46 <jasong> There are two green ones very close together, I tried both

20:46 <Tidus> it's gonna be a BRIGHT green

20:46 <MTughan> Not always... I've seen on a laptop that black be the output. But for desktops, I think they're always green.

20:47 <jasong> I have a lot of light green stuff

20:47 <jasong> I mean for the jacks

20:47 <Tidus> hm...

20:47 <jasong> Well, take off the "a lot"

20:47 <Tidus> does windows show a volume icon on the taskbar?

20:47 <jasong> no

20:47 <jasong> no icon

20:47 <Tidus> it will by default if it finds a sound path

20:48 <jasong> that's why my dad thinks it's a software problem

20:48 <Tidus> and you've installed the nforce chipset drivers?

20:48 <MTughan> IIRC, there was an audio device in the Device Manager, but no driver installed.

20:48 <Tidus> nforce != geforce

20:48 <jasong> Well, the install software claimed in did, but nothing seemed to change

20:49 <MTughan> Did you restart after installing the drivers?

20:50 <MTughan> Ouch... After I get a new PSU here, I need to OC it again. My stats dropped from 3000/8500 to 2300/6500.

20:50 <jasong> not sure, but I've restarted about a million times in the last couple days, give or take 999,985

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20:51 <MTughan> Well, restarting before the drivers installing is different than restarting after the install. ;)

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20:51 <jasong> okay, brb

20:51 <MTughan> wb Jay.

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20:52 <MTughan> Or not...

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20:57 <jasong> I was about to post a screenshot, but one of the last few reboots had me offline on that computer

20:57 <jasong> so I'm going backwards

20:57 <MTughan> Restart didn't do anything then?

20:58 <jasong> no, but I've confirmed that there's either no sound card or the drivers are wonky, because that's what Real Player told me

20:59 <jasong> So it's not a physical connection problem, in my opinion

20:59 <jasong> I know no one said that, I'm just saying it to disqualify it

20:59 <Tidus> linux should hold sound up on that computer without a problem. got to reading about the 680SLI's sound bits... it'll just use the snd_hda_intel module to provide sound

20:59 <MTughan> No, I agree it's a software problem.

21:00 <jasong> Well, if Linux gives me sound, then my next order of business is to back up my DCing work, and then install Linux

21:01 <jasong> I'm curioous to see how much my Fermat work is slowed down by using a virtual xp

21:01 * Tidus wonders what Fermat is

21:01 <jasong> Has anyone ever experienced a speedup in DCing from using a virtual xp?

21:01 <jasong> Fermat number work

21:01 <jasong> I'm searching for factors of Fermat numbers

21:02 <jasong> 2^(2^m)+1

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21:02 <jasong> So F0 would be 2^(2^0)+1, or 3

21:02 <jasong> and they get bigger VERY quickly

21:04 * jasong goes to make brown pudding in a porcelain bowl

21:06 <Soul_keeper> you gonna eat it after you make it ?

21:11 <Tidus> ok was reading about Fermat's Last Theorem... made my head swim

21:15 <jasong> Yeah, lucky for me you don't have to understand the math to participate in the search

21:15 <jasong> Actually, that's one of the reasons DCing is as effective as it is

21:15 <Tidus> i can somewhat understand the math, just been a while since i've done stuff like that

21:17 <jasong> have you ever really considered how much knowledge is behind any simple task?  Even hammering a nail is probably built on hundreds of years of knowledge

21:18 <PovAddict> knowledge is hierarchical

21:18 <Tidus> yeah, but what i see it as goes something like this: pointy end goes in the wall, hammer hits the other end, try to not hit your thumb.

21:18 <jasong> Someone had to smelt the metal, someone had to invent the claw part, someone had to come up with the machine to make the nail, someone had to make the parts to make the machine to make the nail

21:18 <PovAddict> how do explain what double method dispatch is to someone who hasn't ever programmed a computer?

21:19 <jasong> And you can watch a video on a computer without having any idea how the millions of bits are placed on the hard disk

21:19 <PovAddict> also, hammering a nail needs knowledge you get during your first year of life (or maybe before you're born)

21:19 <jasong> true

21:19 <PovAddict> how to move your fingers to "grab" the hammer for example

21:20 <jasong> We don't start out with much at all, we don't even understand the proper methods to feed ourselves and eliminate wastes

21:20 <jasong> I think it's been said that the more complex the animal is, the longer childhood is

21:20 <PovAddict> apparently humans learn how to do anything via trial and error

21:21 <jasong> or at least that tends to be true, I think

21:21 <PovAddict> send an impulse to a random nerve

21:21 <jasong> Mostly error

21:21 <PovAddict> get feedback (through eyes, and touch sensors) saying what you just did caused your arm to move

21:22 <Tidus> we know how to scream from day one :)

21:22 <jasong> true

21:22 <jasong> lol

21:23 <PovAddict> if someone could swap the nerve connections of your arm, you wouldn't take that long to re-learn how to do stuff

21:23 <PovAddict> I read about people working on that ability on robots

21:23 <PovAddict> let the robot learn how to move forwards with the motors it has

21:23 <jasong> When I stick my tongue out at a one year old, they tend to do the same thing

21:24 <PovAddict> the idea is, if a motor breaks, the robot could start again trying to figure out how to move without that motor

21:24 <PovAddict> by itself, not needing humans to reprogram it

21:24 <jasong> Like the T100 in Terminator

21:25 <jasong> Remember at the end, it had a full arm, a partial arm, and not much else

21:25 <PovAddict> a spider can walk if you break all but one of its legs

21:25 <PovAddict> will take forever to move from point A to B but it can

21:26 <jasong> lol, the spider's better than me, you can break my pinkie and I won't want to anywhere

21:26 <jasong> +go

21:26 <PovAddict> lol

21:27 <jasong> I deal with pain very effectively, but only when it'

21:27 <jasong> s someone elses

21:27 <PovAddict> XD

21:27 <jasong> If you're in pain, I'm a good person to have around, if I'm in pain, God help the person who decides to aid me

21:28 <jasong> If I'm too groggy to feel pain, that can actually make me more effective, that was proven about a decade ago

21:29 <jasong> saved my grandfather from a carbon monoxide filled house

21:29 <jasong> though, I guess carbon monoxide isn't painful, so I may be wrong

21:29 <PovAddict> nope, quiet death

21:30 <jasong> Yeah, I felt like I'd been awake for about two weeks

21:30 <PovAddict> apparently, if you've breathed carbon monoxide, and you feel "ok" afterwards, you still should go to the doctor

21:30 <jasong> You ever try to drag an unwilling man through two rooms while you feel like you could pass out at any mometn?

21:31 <PovAddict> symptoms may show up a day after...

21:31 <jasong> oh, yeah, the headache is no fun

21:31 <PovAddict> er, no, and I'm not interested in having the experience

21:31 <PovAddict> :P

21:31 <PovAddict> CO permanently f***s up your blood cells

21:31 <jasong> My mother felt so bad afterward, she was the reason for the carbon monoxide

21:32 <jasong> Permanently?

21:32 <jasong> Don't they replenish themselves?

21:32 * jasong feels nervous

21:33 <PovAddict> hemoglobin and oxygen make a not-quite-stable combination

21:33 <MTughan> They f*** up blood cells that are affected permanently, but all blood cells everytually die or bleed out, and new ones are made in your marrow. I believe that's how it would work.

21:33 <PovAddict> so they separate again when they reach cells needing oxygen

21:34 <PovAddict> that's how oxygen transport works

21:34 <PovAddict> same with carbon dioxide, the combination isn't very stable, so the two molecules separate in your lungs and CO2 goes out

21:34 <jasong> ah, ok

21:35 <jasong> Yeah, they told me to take it easy for a few weeks

21:35 <PovAddict> however, hemoglobin and carbon monoxide make a stable combination and the resulting molecule will stay in that state

21:36 <PovAddict> so the affected red blood cells can carry less oxygen (or maybe none at all)

21:37 <PovAddict> your body produces new blood cells all the time

21:38 <PovAddict> so in theory, you'd eventually recover fully

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21:39 <PovAddict> the problem is if, little time (days) after being exposed to carbon dioxide, your brain runs low on oxygen because of your messed-up red blood cells...

21:39 <PovAddict> then brain cells die

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21:48 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, do you own a bedazzler ?

21:49 <PovAddict> I don't know what that is

21:49 * PovAddict asks the internets

21:49 <PovAddict> ...huh

21:49 <Soul_keeper>

21:49 <Romulus> Title: Bedazzler (at

21:50 <PovAddict> ah I saw that crap on TV

21:50 <Soul_keeper> LOL

21:50 <PovAddict> the CALL WITHIN THE NEXT 5 SECONDS AND YOU GET ONE FREE advertisements

21:51 <PovAddict> "The cheap-ass rhinestone-studding tool favored by art teachers and over-excitable soccer moms everywhere, the biggest piece of crap sold on late-night TV since the ThighMaster, the reason women own shirts with glittery kitty-cats on them." ?

21:56 <Soul_keeper> PovAddict, you think MTughan owns one ?

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21:56 <PovAddict> ...

21:56 <PovAddict> why?

21:56 <Soul_keeper> haha

21:57 <MTughan> No. Damn your thoughts.

21:57 <Soul_keeper> :)

21:58 <MTughan> Heck, I could get a bit more RAM for the $30 they charge. ;)

21:59 <Soul_keeper> ohh yeah dirty cheap

22:00 <Soul_keeper> cheaper than a bedazzler now

22:11 <jasong> Reduce the value of your wardrobe for just $19.95

22:11 <MTughan> lol

22:11 <MTughan> + $7.95 shipping.

22:12 <MTughan> Looks like Milkyway is quite slow ATM...

22:12 <jasong> Maybe they have a bunch of really short work units going out

22:18 <Soul_keeper> people crying because they lost their jobs on 60 minutes ....

22:20 <efc> There's always somebody crying on 60 minutes

22:25 <jasong> What do you guys think of the coverage of the Obama-Chri---I mean the new President. ;)

22:26 <jasong> If he screws up the country, I doubt the Republican party will be merciful

22:27 <jasong> On the other hand, he could be Godsend

22:27 <jasong> +a

22:28 * jasong sends Obama psychic waves telling him to put solar panels in space

22:30 <efc> That might exceed the $800 billin

22:31 <jasong> Yes, but he can use accounting magic and claim it went to the hybrid cars

22:32 <jasong> I mean taxes seem to simply go into a big pot anyway, so why destroy the illusion?

22:32 <jasong> That was half-serious/ half-sarcastci

22:33 <efc> the solar/wind projects might be a decent idea, might even make money, but not with the govt doing them, and def not a govt in a mad scramble to liquidate money as fast as possible

22:33 <jasong> good point

22:34 <efc> If solar is going for price X, say $100 a watt installed, and you suddenly through a hundred billion dollars at it, that price is going through the roof

22:35 <jasong> I think it's more like $2-$3 per watt, but you have a good point

22:38 <efc> I haven't heard if the govt would own or operate these things, or if they'd basically just be giving low interest loans to power companies to do it

22:40 <efc> When you have a govt contract, things work weird

22:40 <efc> You actually get in more trouble if you don't spend all the money, than if you spend too much

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22:51 <KathrynM> So apparently I've just consumed some sort of traditional Korean soup for Lunar New Year.

22:51 <KathrynM> Not bad.  I only have half a pot of the stuff left, plus three more bags of the stuff frozen.

22:51 <KathrynM> Gotta love students and their gifts...

22:55 <jasong> What country are you in Kathy?

22:56 <MTughan> South Korea IIRC.

22:56 <jasong> wow

22:57 <jasong> The only thing I know about South Korea is they have the scary North Korean country on their border

22:57 * jasong hopes it isn't the other way around and he just offended kathy

22:58 * jasong is a dumbass American.

22:58 <MTughan> North Korea is communist, South Korea is democratic, I think.

22:59 <KathrynM> MTughan,  is correct

23:00 <KathrynM> And I have today and tomorrow off w&@^ for Lunar New Year

23:00 <KathrynM> I just wish I would have ordered pizza yesterday :/

23:00 <KathrynM> Nothing is open today

23:00 <jasong> South Koreans like pizza.  I'll add that to my list of useless but really interesting facts

23:01 <KathrynM> They love it

23:01 <KathrynM> And they eat pickles with it

23:01 <KathrynM> We've got Pizza Hut and Dominos

23:02 <jasong> My dad went to South Korea once.  I asked him what he saw when he got off the plane, and he said, with a serious expression,"Well, I got off the plane, looked around, and you know what I saw?"

23:02 <jasong> "A shitload of Korean people."

23:02 <wdsmia> asks jasong to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

23:02 <jasong> sorry

23:03 <jasong> Did I just apologize to a bot?

23:03 <jasong> yep

23:03 <jasong> But sorry to the rest

23:04 <jasong> oh, and I think that question mark should be a period

23:04 <KathrynM> lol

23:04 <KathrynM> yeah, there are quite a few Korean people here :)

23:04 <jasong> Reminds me of the whole grammatical difference between,"May I do something," and "Can I do something."

23:05 <jasong> "Can I take your bags sir?"  "I don't know, CAN you?"

23:05 <Tidus> yeah, 'Can I?' implies are you capable, where "May I?" asks permission

23:05 <KathrynM> I had a teacher who would answer "Yes you can, but you may not."

23:05 <jasong> English classes?

23:05 <jasong> wait, are you also Korean?

23:05 <KathrynM> elementary school, IIRC

23:06 <KathrynM> me?

23:06 <Romulus> I guess me is just a better 98 isnt it, KathrynM

23:06 <KathrynM> nope.

23:06 <KathrynM> shut up rommie

23:06 <Tidus> forget me

23:06 <Romulus> I hear ya!

23:06 <KathrynM> :)

23:06 <Tidus> rofl

23:06 <KathrynM> I'm as American as they come.

23:06 <Tidus> jasong: no, i'm not korean. i'm american

23:07 <KathrynM> I'm rewriting my credit/hour calculating script in python

23:07 <KathrynM> why?  because it can do floating point math, unlike bash

23:07 * jasong gets annoyed at the memory of the slogan,"We're not American'ts, we're Americans."

23:07 <KathrynM> and I can

23:07 <KathrynM> oh yeah, and it's about the limit of my programming ability :)

23:08 <Tidus> i'm just waiting on something to hurry up and finish downloading at its poky 20k/sec

23:08 <Tidus> oh, which reminds me.

23:08 <Tidus>

23:08 <Romulus> <> (at

23:08 <Tidus> ^^ any ideas on making that better?

23:10 <KathrynM> nice

23:10 <KathrynM> although I'm a KDE gal myself

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23:14 <jasong> This situation with my sound card is driving me batty

23:14 <jasong> Did I already say that the livecd doesn't have sound either?

23:15 <MTughan> Nope, you didn't...

23:15 <jasong> well, now I did

23:23 <KathrynM> woot!  it works!

23:27 <jasong> I've come up with a new light bulb joke, tell me what you think of it.

23:27 <jasong> How many Europeans does it take to screw in a light bulb?

23:27 <jasong> Wait, I just realized my joke doesn't make sense

23:27 * jasong feels silly

23:27 <efc> It still turned out funny

23:28 <MTughan> lol

23:28 <jasong> I was trying to make a joke about a European saying how many, and then I'd say,"you admitted you use light bulbs, now we're going to fine you."

23:28 <jasong> But of course,"How many?" isn't an admission of anythign

23:31 <KathrynM>

23:31 <Romulus> Title: Python pastebin - collaborative debugging tool (at

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23:43 <MTughan> roflmao... Someone on Ncix asked in the forums whether a 2000W blade server PSU would be enough to run 2x GTX 280's in SLI...

23:45 <efc> The answer is No right ?!

23:45 <BadBarbarian> hee hee

23:45 <MTughan> Yeah, that was someone's answer... xD

23:45 <MTughan>

23:45 <Romulus> <> (at

23:47 * efc watches dinosaurs chew up a bunch of navy seals on Scifi

23:48 <efc> This island is totally full of dinos, with no indication of what they eat

23:49 <efc> so apparently their primary food source is the teams of navy seals which come periodically to investigate

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