IRC logs of #boinc for Monday, 2009-01-26

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01:56 <jasong> Hey, I think i screwed up a Linux update by stopping it in the middle(I thought it was stalled, but it probably wasn't).  I tried yum clean to try to reset whatever I messed up, but no go

01:56 <jasong> is there an easy way to fix that?

02:00 <Tidus> what is the error when you try to run yum update again?

02:00 <Soul_keeper> sounds like a Suse issue

02:00 <Tidus> yum = fedora

02:00 <Tidus> up2date = suse

02:00 <Soul_keeper> ahhh i was thinking of Yast

02:00 <Soul_keeper> old suse, nm

02:01 <Tidus> new suse can either use yast (zypper library) or ... forget what the other is

02:03 <jasong> Well, I attempt an update, and then it lists a ton of dependencies that it apparently needs, or thinks it needs

02:03 <jasong> And it's refusing to download anything

02:03 <Tidus> stock fedora 10 coming from the dvd?

02:03 <jasong> Fedora 8

02:03 <Tidus> ew.

02:03 <Tidus> that's why it wont update

02:03 <Tidus> F8 = old

02:03 <jasong> Is Fedora 10 better?

02:03 <Tidus> F8 doesn't even get security updates anymore

02:03 <jasong> damn

02:04 <jasong> yum upgrade

02:04 <jasong> ?

02:04 <Tidus> quicker to clean install

02:04 <jasong> okay

02:04 <jasong> lol, looks like I'll be up for a while

02:04 <Tidus> F10 has installable livecds like ubuntu

02:04 <Tidus> save ya from the entire dvd install

02:06 <jasong> Yeah, I downloaded the livecd to check the sound issue, so I already have it

02:06 <jasong> rebooting it now

02:07 <Tidus> who told you to get fedora 8?

02:07 <Tidus> or is that something you already had?

02:07 <jasong> Well, a friend recommended it over Fedora 9, but I haven't seen him in a while

02:07 <Tidus> jasong: always check these things out before you use them

02:08 <Tidus> i skipped 8 due to massive problems

02:08 <jasong> Yeah, but isn't 9 worse?

02:08 <Tidus> actually, no

02:08 <Tidus> i liked 9

02:08 <jasong> hmmmm, my friend said 9 was buggy

02:08 <jasong> (Chuck)

02:08 <jasong> Wait, you don't go to #rieselsieve

02:09 <Tidus> i got 9 halfway through the release cycle of 10

02:09 <Tidus> by that time, there'd been over 300 updates fixing stuff

02:09 <jasong> hmmmm, maybe he'd already given up on it when I came along

02:09 <jasong> brb

02:10 <jasong> livecds sure do take a long time to load

02:11 <Tidus> yeah

02:11 <Tidus> right now i'm on ubuntu 8.10

02:11 <Tidus> waiting on 9.04

02:12 <jasong> What's 9 called?

02:12 <Tidus> ubuntu 9.04?

02:12 <Tidus> jaunty jackalope

02:12 <Tidus> 8.10 is intrepid ibex

02:12 <jasong> lol, I wonder if they'll have a version 27, they won't know what to do

02:13 <Tidus> the release number corresponds to year.month of release

02:13 <Tidus> 8.10 was october 08

02:13 <Tidus> 9.04 is april 09

02:14 <jasong> ah, so it won't be a problem unless Ubuntu's around in 2027

02:14 <Tidus> yeah lol

02:14 <Tidus> jasong:

02:14 <Romulus> <> (at

02:14 <Tidus> my current desktop setup

02:16 <jasong> that's Ubuntu?

02:16 <jasong> I haven't used it in a while

02:16 <Tidus> slightly modified from stock

02:16 <Tidus>

02:16 <Romulus> <> (at

02:16 <Tidus> that's 8.04.1, but 8.10 stock is close

02:17 <jasong> nice, you got WOW to work in Ubuntu

02:18 <jasong> (I'm assuming)

02:18 <Tidus> yeah

02:18 <Tidus> it works fine :)

02:19 <jasong> You ever heard of Runescape?

02:19 <jasong> That's what I play

02:20 <Tidus> yeah, never liked it too much

02:20 <jasong> I've read that WOW generally attracts older players than Runescape

02:21 <jasong> Since I never really left childhood behind ;) I guess that's why I like Runescape so much

02:21 <Tidus> lol

02:22 <Tidus> i'm thinking about going back to gentoo though, as I prefer something that's rolling release and fully customisable

02:22 <Tidus> thought about arch as well

02:23 <jasong> That install was fast, updating now

02:24 <Tidus> yeah, the livecds tend to go a bit faster

02:24 <jasong> Never really understood the whole foot animation in Fedora 10 updates

02:25 <jasong> Yeah, it's such a weird idea you're not responding ;)

02:25 <Tidus> lol

02:25 <jasong> The toes detach and re-attach, to potray what exactly?

02:26 <Tidus> what program is the toes attaching and reattaching?

02:26 <jasong> It's the update process for Fedora 10

02:26 <jasong> The animation indicates it's checking for updates

02:26 <Tidus> yeah

02:26 <Tidus> shouldn't be too many

02:27 <jasong> There seem to be quite a few, but I don't know how often updates come out

02:27 <jasong> Looked like about 100 of em or so

02:28 <jasong> The Bourne Again shell?  maybe people don't use Linux because  the puns are so truly horrible

02:32 <jasong> quote: "“GNU's Not Unix”; it is pronounced g-noo, as one syllable with no vowel sound between the g and the n."

02:33 <jasong> I've always felt like nothing, phonetically speaking, can end with a consonant, unless you speak really oddly

02:33 <jasong> There's always some sort of sound after the consonant

02:33 <jasong> imo

02:33 <Tidus> most of the words in that sentence ended on a consonant

02:33 <Tidus> with a consonant sound at the end

02:34 <jasong> Well, yes, I guess so with the s, but sort seems to me to end with an uh sound

02:34 <Tidus> nothing ends on 'eeng'

02:35 <jasong> Maybe not in your language :p ;)

02:35 <Tidus> american english

02:35 <jasong> That looks like it ends in an ug

02:35 <jasong> eengug

02:35 <jasong> oops

02:35 <jasong> eenguh

02:36 <jasong> maybe not as loud as if you'd said the uh intentionally

02:36 <Tidus> 'eeng-lish'

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02:37 <jasong> ah, you found another exception

02:37 <jasong> I guess I really need to work on what I mean to say

02:37 <jasong> I'm simply saying that a lot of consonants seem to force you to put something after them when spoken

02:37 <Tidus> attach = 'a-tatch'

02:38 <jasong> And, to me, gnu, seems to be guh-noo, rather than g-noo

02:39 <Tidus> it sounds that way to me as well

02:39 <Tidus> but it's the same sound as in the common asian name Nguyen

02:39 <Tidus> pronounced 'nyen'

02:39 <jasong> hmmmm, I've noticed a cool "feature" about F10

02:40 <Tidus> oh? whats that?

02:40 <jasong> wait, nm, same feature small change

02:40 <Tidus> what feature would that be?

02:40 <jasong> On f8, the password prompt has a black screen

02:40 <Tidus> wallpaper kinda shifts color depending on what time it is?

02:40 <jasong> On f10, it has wallpaper

02:40 <jasong> oooh, really?

02:41 <Tidus> yeah, the stock wallpaper will subtly shift color every 6 hours

02:41 <jasong> They probably got the idea from the nintendo people

02:41 <Tidus> they started that with F8

02:41 <jasong> oh

02:41 <jasong> lol, I never noticed

02:41 <Tidus> if it's 12:00pm outside, the wallpaper'll be brighter than it would be, example... now. it's 1:45am here

02:43 <Tidus> was more noticable on F9, due to the 'sulphur' background

02:44 * jasong wonders how much faster the update would go with an Intel flash drive instead of a hard drive

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03:19 <jasong> Anybody know where the Fedora 10 source is on the hard drive?  From the way my program is "complaining" it seems to expect a local directory.

03:19 * jasong goes to bed, but will check back in the morning

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03:31 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 19.0F / -7.2C | Humidity: 79% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Scattered snow showers. Lows 10 to 15. Northeast winds around 5 mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy. Highs in the upper 20s. North winds around 5 mph.; Monday Night - Cloudy. (1 more message)

03:31 <CoderForLife> &more

03:31 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Snow...mainly after midnight. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. Lows in the lower 20s. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 90 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Hamilton County in effect until 7:00 AM EST on January 28, 2009;

03:38 <Soul_keeper> i just got a seti WU that finished in 8 secs

03:44 <KathrynM> nice weather CoderForLife

03:44 <CoderForLife> your problem is that you grew up in weather like this

03:45 <KathrynM> or worse

03:45 <CoderForLife> indeed

03:45 <KathrynM> gotta love the Lake Erie Snow Machine

03:52 <CoderForLife> or not =)

03:55 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

03:55 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 51.3F / 10.7C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Scattered Clouds | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 2.7mph / 4.3km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Patchy fog. Lows 41 to 51. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 40 percent.; Monday - Mostly cloudy with a chance of showers. Patchy fog. Highs 54 to 59 in (1 more message)

04:00 <CoderForLife> &more Soul_keeper

04:00 <Romulus> CoderForLife: the western valleys to 50 to 55 near the foothills. Light winds becoming west 15 mph in the afternoon. Chance of measurable precipitation 40 percent.; Monday Night - Mostly cloudy with a slight chance of showers. Lows 37 to 47. Light winds. Chance of measurable precipitation 20 percent.;

04:08 <CoderForLife> need.. food...

04:08 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

04:14 <meglaw>

04:14 <Romulus> <> (at

04:30 <Soul_keeper> "This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota"   lol

04:30 <KathrynM> wtf...  F9 doesn't come with wget out of the box

04:30 <CoderForLife> um

04:31 <KathrynM> or did I install it myself before and I've forgotten

04:31 <CoderForLife> It doesn't appear to be a special install on my F9

04:32 <KathrynM> hmm

04:32 <KathrynM> interesting

04:32 <KathrynM> I just had to install it with yum

04:32 <CoderForLife> looks like a normal part of the install - the rpm is in my copy of network-install

04:33 <KathrynM> *shrug*

04:40 <jrodger> I had to install wget with f9 seperately, same in f10

04:42 <jrodger> but I guess network install could be different....I used a live install

04:45 <CoderForLife> maybe it depends on what software you pick

04:47 <CoderForLife> I'm going to start getting ready for w@#% - bbiab

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05:15 <clusty> booo

05:21 <KathrynM> boo hoo?

05:21 <KathrynM>

05:21 <Romulus> <> (at

05:45 <CoderForLife> back for a moment

05:46 <CoderForLife> lol KathrynM

05:47 * CoderForLife looks at the gathering weatherdoom

05:48 <Soul_keeper> now that's how you win a game, jump in a recode it :)

05:49 <Soul_keeper> was too hard, now it's nearly too easy ...

05:49 <CoderForLife> The Kobayashi Maru

05:49 <Soul_keeper> when it came time to show down against the boss i had like 20 soldiers to send after him and surround him :)

05:49 <Soul_keeper> i like winning

05:50 <KathrynM> CoderForLife,

05:50 <Romulus> <> (at

05:50 <KathrynM> I like the last frame.

05:50 <KathrynM> That's so me.

05:50 <CoderForLife> lol

05:51 <KathrynM> Where can I find a class taught with puppets?

05:51 <Soul_keeper> haha

05:51 <CoderForLife> I didn't have enough parentheses in my vocabulary to do Lisp

05:51 <KathrynM> :)

05:53 <CoderForLife> and what's really scary, I understood the prior 3 frames

05:56 <Soul_keeper> listening to the guys in the #cuda channel they make it sound like it's pretty easy to get the hang of

05:56 <Soul_keeper> i havn't tryed yet tho

06:00 <Soul_keeper> exciting these computers are

06:01 * Soul_keeper goes to sleep

06:08 <CoderForLife> OK - time to head back to the salt mine - two conference calls today with vendors - one to talk about pricing, the other to talk about progress

06:08 <KathrynM> fun fun fun

06:10 * CoderForLife exits - Wicked Witch of the West style

06:10 <CoderForLife> laterz

06:11 * CoderForLife always wanted to try that, minus the getting set on fire part

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06:32 <hawmps> 'lo

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08:05 <hawmps> damn chilly this morning...

08:05 <hawmps> -3.3F

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08:12 <PovAdct_w> "* jasong gets annoyed at the memory of the slogan,'We're not American'ts, we're Americans.'"

08:12 <PovAdct_w> heh

08:12 <PovAdct_w> you're unitedstatians :P

08:17 <PovAdct_w> <jrodger> I had to install wget with f9 seperately, same in f10, but I guess network install could be different....I used a live install

08:18 <PovAdct_w> I think network install *uses* wget to download the packages, so it has to have it...

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08:24 <wdsmia_w> &wx 50319

08:24 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: Temperature: 8.6F / -13.0C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.47in / 1031.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Cloudy...flurries. High 10 to 15. North wind around 5 mph.; Tonight - Cloudy. A slight chance of light snow in the evening... then a chance of light snow after midnight. Low 5 to 10 above. Northeast wind around 5 (1 more message)

08:24 <wdsmia_w> &more

08:24 <Romulus> wdsmia_w: mph. Chance of snow 50 percent.; Tuesday - Cloudy. Light snow likely in the morning...then a slight chance of light snow in the afternoon. Snow accumulation around 1 inch. High around 15. North wind around 5 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.;

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11:48 <Soul_keeper>,1997.html   underclocked athlon64 beats the atom in every way :)

11:48 <Romulus> <> (at

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11:58 <PovAdct_w> Soul_keeper: including power usage?

11:59 <Soul_keeper> yes

11:59 <Soul_keeper> the chipset uses atleast 11 watts less

12:00 <PovAdct_w> underclocked athlon64 both *faster* and *less power usage* than atom? when the atom was specifically designed to be efficient? Intel just got pwned :)

12:00 <Soul_keeper> athlon at 1GHz uses 8watts and can be run fanless, compared to atom at 1.6GHz at 4 watts  but for some reason runs hotter with a fan

12:01 <Soul_keeper> but at 1GHz it stomps the atom

12:01 <Soul_keeper> and you can clock the athlon even lower to beat that 4 watts, but then blueray playback stops working right

12:02 <Soul_keeper> yeah atom sucks, i blame HT and the low amount of cache, plus the chipset

12:02 <PovAdct_w> how much power does that athlon use at stock speed?

12:05 <Soul_keeper> i think it's the low power 45 watter, can't remember

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12:11 <Soul_keeper> i think AMD's ddr3 capable cpu's next month will offer more performance than many suspect

12:11 <Soul_keeper> should be enough to put it cleanly above core2 imo

12:15 <Hodapp> they've benchmarked, it beats a core2 but not i7 if I remember right

12:15 <Hodapp> oh wait, "next month"

12:15 <Soul_keeper> yeah those were the DDR2 versions

12:16 <Soul_keeper> didn't clearly beat core2, but was atleast it's equal

12:17 <Soul_keeper> i7 uses triple channel ddr3 if i'm not mistaken

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13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

13:24 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

13:24 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 32.5°F / 0.3°C | Humidity: 97% | Pressure: 29.66in / 1004.3hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h | Updated: 7:19 PM CET; Clear. High:39 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:37 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:26 F.; Clear. High:35 F.; Clear. Low:22 F.;

13:26 <Tidus> rofl...

13:26 <Romulus> <> (at

13:27 <Tidus> do spammers really think we're that stupid?

13:28 <Soul_keeper> yes

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13:30 <PovAdct_w> MTughan:

13:30 <Romulus> <> (at

13:31 <PovAdct_w> it even has wrong english grammer

13:31 <MTughan> Hehe, f*** Windows.

13:31 <MTughan>

13:32 <Romulus> <> (at

13:32 <PovAdct_w> I saw the video

13:35 <PovAdct_w> Windows still seems to run slow at -232 degrees

13:35 <PovAdct_w> Your Windows EULA prohibits operation in such an environment.

13:38 <Soul_keeper>    apparently the democrats think birth controll is an essentially earmark for the new obama stimulus plan ....


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13:41 * XioNYC tabulates the tax revenue from condom sales, puchased by those who now have Copious Free Time because both partners have No Job and have been Left Behind

13:42 <MTughan> Damn, that must be cold... pouring liquid nitrogen on someone's head.

13:42 <PovAdct_w> I can't believe that part

13:43 <PovAdct_w> how come their skull didn't crack open with the sudden temperature change?

13:44 <MTughan> Probably not much liquid, and it would warm up quite a bit before it reached their head.

13:44 <PovAdct_w> probably but still...

13:44 <PovAdct_w> I also didn't see enough super-thick gloves

13:44 <PovAdct_w> and they seemed to be handling ln containers...

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13:51 <MTughan> PovAddict:

13:51 <Romulus> <> (at

13:53 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: test.png hasn't updated since yesterday. test2.png did update.

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> how are the memory requirements handled by Boinc

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13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> example

13:54 <Soul_keeper> MTughan, yeah i took test.png off the list

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13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> Quad processor, 3GB RAM

13:54 <Soul_keeper> didn't think anyone would care

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> each wu configured with max memory of 1GB

13:54 <MTughan> Not really, I'm just watching test2.png more. :P

13:54 <yoyo[RKN]> 4 wus are started, consuming less memory

13:55 <Soul_keeper> my GPU didn't kick in till the 6th day

13:55 <yoyo[RKN]> after 1h all4 wus require 1GB each?

13:55 <MTughan> I thought it had encountered an error and was just letting you know.

13:56 <MTughan> yoyo[RKN]: I'd presume that BOINC just enforces the limits, though not necessarily on hardware RAM. It'd probably just go to swap through the OS.

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13:57 <DerMeister> MTughan: but that would be plain wrong

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13:57 <MTughan> I'm just saying my thoughts. I don't know how it works.

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13:58 <yoyo[RKN]> it's much worse in my current case, each wu require 1,5 GB

13:59 <yoyo[RKN]> the app finishes with 0xc0000005 on winXP sp3, don't know what this means.

13:59 <Romulus> <> (at

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14:00 <DerMeister> I wouldn't be surprised if the whole memory handling in the core client is completly broken.

14:02 <MTughan> DA released an "out of band" patch for BOINC dev versions.

14:02 <DerMeister>

14:02 <Romulus> <> (at

14:03 <DerMeister> yoyo[RKN]: from your description I would guess that a call to malloc or some similar function failed because there was no free memory left. But the result of this call wasn't checked which means that at some later point a pointer pointing to an invalid memory position was used (probably for writing)

14:04 <DerMeister> Conclusion: Always check the return value of malloc or use C++ and new instead ;)

14:06 <hawmps> oh cripes - next snowstorm - 6"--12"

14:12 <MTughan> hawmps: When is that?

14:15 <MTughan> Because we have 5-10cm (2-4") predicted for next Sunday.

14:16 <Soul_keeper> 2 cats humping in my backyard ...

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14:17 <MTughan> How the heck did I do that...

14:17 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Thanks, we needed to know that.

14:17 <hawmps> Here at home..

14:17 <hawmps> starting tomorrow night

14:18 <MTughan> Just hitting you then. Not coming north.

14:19 <Soul_keeper> heh

14:21 <MTughan> Anyway, I'm off to C++ class. bbl

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14:26 <jasong> Can anyone recommend any highly opinionated tech sites to me?  I've been informed that I spend too much time reading . (silly inside jokes are a plus)

14:27 <Soul_keeper> anandtech  tomshardware   are two of the biggest

14:28 <Soul_keeper> amdzone hothardware and others exists ...

14:29 <jasong> Wow, that's 4

14:29 <jasong> awesome

14:34 <jasong> bookmarked

14:37 <jasong>

14:37 <Romulus> <> (at

14:37 <jasong> Microrefrigerators, for micro-brew maybe?

14:37 <jasong> ;)

14:37 <jasong> Nah, some sort of chip-cooling tech

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14:42 <hawmps> peltier effect chips

14:55 <jasong> Trivia question:Have there been times in the past where the whole rapid improvement of chips has slowed down?  I believe the average doubling time is about 19 months, but has doubling ever taken 2, or even 3 years? (or worse?)

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15:10 <Soul_keeper> i don't believe so jasong

15:10 <Soul_keeper> moore's law has held up pretty well over the years

15:16 <yoyo[RKN]> at least 4 running wus, each requires 1,5GB, should be to much for a win32 system

15:17 <hawmps> the last batch of seti units have been pretty nasty..

15:18 <PovAddict> home \o/

15:19 <yoyo[RKN]> wb PovAddict

15:20 <yoyo[RKN]> my ecm wu needs 1,5 GB. 4 of them parallel on a win32 system are crashing.

15:26 <PovAddict> yoyo[RKN]: I think 0xc0000005 is the equivalent of a Linux segfault

15:27 <PovAddict> may not be related to memory at all

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16:06 <xkahuna> test 1...2...3...

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16:16 <MTughan> lol

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16:17 <xcamel> doing a low level verify on my drives... that stupid journal commit error keeps coming back

16:25 <BadBarbarian> snowing here

16:25 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86303

16:25 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 37.7F / 3.2C | Humidity: 60% | Pressure: 29.83in / 1010.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: South | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Colder. Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow and rain showers in the morning...a chance of snow showers in the afternoon. Little or no snow accumulation. Snow level 5000 feet in the morning. Highs 38 to 44. (2 more messages)

16:25 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:25 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Southwest winds around 15 mph. Chance of precipitation 50 percent.; Tonight - Mostly cloudy with a 40 percent chance of snow showers. Little or no snow accumulation. Storm total snow accumulation up to 1 inch. Lows 20 to 26. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. A 10 percent chance of snow (1 more message)

16:25 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:25 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: showers. No snow accumulation. Highs 41 to 47. Light winds becoming north 15 to 20 mph in the afternoon.;

16:26 <BadBarbarian> &wx 86046

16:26 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Temperature: 29F / -1.7C | Humidity: 56% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1010.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: WSW | Wind Speed: 12mph / 19.3km/h ; Today - Breezy...colder. Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation around 1 inch. Highs 30 to 38. Southwest winds 15 to 25 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tonight - Snow showers likely. Snow accumulation 1 to 2 inches. Storm (1 more message)

16:26 <BadBarbarian> &more

16:26 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: total snow accumulation 3 to 4 inches. Lows 14 to 22. Southwest winds around 15 mph early in the evening becoming light. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Tuesday - Mostly cloudy in the morning then becoming partly cloudy. A 20 percent chance of snow showers. No snow accumulation. Highs 32 to 38. Light winds becoming north around 15 mph in the afternoon.;

16:26 <xcamel> 'lo BB

16:26 <BadBarbarian> 'lo xcamel

16:27 <xcamel> we're going to get 6-12" tomorrow night into wednesday

16:27 <BadBarbarian> good snow at the old house

16:27 <xcamel> I am sick to f*ing death of winter

16:27 <BadBarbarian> this one will be there in a day or two

16:27 <xcamel> I want my global warming back

16:27 <BadBarbarian> that was a farce to begain with

16:28 <BadBarbarian> if anything we are headed into an iceage

16:29 <xcamel> especially if the environazis keep going the way they are..

16:29 <BadBarbarian>

16:29 <Romulus> <> (at

16:30 <xcamel> is also a good resource

16:30 <BadBarbarian> it has alot more to do with sunspots than nasa wants us to know

16:31 <xcamel> with hansen the AGW prophet there... go figure.

16:31 <xcamel> false prophet, that is...

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16:32 <BadBarbarian> theres been almost no sunspots for over 2 years

16:32 <xcamel> how well I know... it makes shortwave listening really suck

16:33 <xcamel> another 'maunder minimum'

16:33 <BadBarbarian> very true i have to get my news on the web now cant tune in the BBC

16:33 <BadBarbarian> yep

16:33 <CoderForLife> home again

16:33 <xcamel> 'elo

16:33 <BadBarbarian> 'lo CFL

16:33 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian xcamel =)

16:33 <BadBarbarian> :)

16:34 * CoderForLife pounds his hands on his desk, trying to speed up the thaw

16:34 <xcamel> stuck using xchat on kahuna..

16:34 <CoderForLife> just retrieved the trash cans at the street - a cold endeavor

16:34 <CoderForLife> brought the neighbor's can and recycling bins back also

16:35 <Soul_keeper> puts hair on yur chest CoderForLife don't be a pansy boy :)

16:35 <BadBarbarian> i think theres an icechat for linux now

16:35 <CoderForLife> freezes my fingers off, you mean

16:35 <xcamel> more like putting frost on your grapes

16:36 <CoderForLife> sports coats weren't meant for sanitation engineering wear

16:36 <BadBarbarian>

16:36 <Romulus> <> (at

16:36 <CoderForLife> anyways - brought dinner home as well - time to go dive in

16:36 <CoderForLife> bbiab

16:37 <xcamel> It could erase all life from earth too, so your toilet really wouldn't be an issue.

16:37 <BadBarbarian> hee hee

16:38 <CoderForLife> just as I'm experiencing

16:38 <Romulus> <> (at

16:38 <xcamel> great..

16:38 <xcamel> we need 'net guns'

16:39 <xcamel> anyone know of a way to get the journal commit error to give up more information?

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16:49 <xcamel> wb mike

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16:49 <MTughan> Same to you?

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16:49 <MTughan> Same to you.

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16:52 <jasong> This is going to sound like a retarded question, but how do I verify what version of Fedora I have?

16:52 <jasong> I think I have Fedora 8, but I can't for the life of me get the computer to tell me what I'm running

16:52 <MTughan> uname -a?

16:52 <PovAddict> "lsb_release -a" works on all linuxes AFAIK

16:52 <jasong> thanks, I'll try that

16:53 <PovAddict> uname just tells you that you have GNU/Linux, and some kernel version information

16:53 <MTughan> Yeah, uname would depend on you having a kernel that corresponds to the Linux distro you're running.

16:53 <MTughan> No, you'll usually see "kernel 2.6.xx.fc8" or something.

16:53 <PovAddict> 2.6.24-23-generic

16:54 <MTughan> Well, depends on the distro.

16:54 <PovAddict> I see 'ubuntu' in uname -a, but that's the hostname :)

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16:54 <jasong> okay, it had fc8 at the very end of my kernel, so how do I tell it to upgrade to Fedora 10?

16:54 <PovAddict> jasong: I heard it's easier to clean-install

16:54 <jasong> yum upgrade didn't accomplish much

16:54 <MTughan> PovAddict:

16:54 <PovAddict> yum upgrade will just update all your packages to the latest available in fc8 repository

16:55 <jasong> lol, yes, that's assuming you have common sense.  I have a high IQ, but common sense?  Not a bit of it between my ears

16:55 <MTughan> There is an upgrade path, just gotta find the info on it again..

16:56 <MTughan> Oh, BTW: F11 will use ext4 as the default filesystem. I believe Ubuntu 9.04 is moving there too.

16:56 <MTughan> <- Use the second option.

16:56 <Romulus> Title: Fedora Project (at

16:56 <jasong> thanks mt

16:57 <MTughan> The only thing you'll want to watch for (or at least the biggest thing to watch out for) are packages that have been specifically compiled for the previous kernel version. I'm thinking graphics drivers here.

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16:58 <jasong> so I need to boot a Fedora 10 install dvd and just be careful with my selections, huh?

16:59 <MTughan> No, you may need to remake graphics drivers.

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16:59 <MTughan> Among other stuff if you've compiled kernel modules.

16:59 <MTughan> Multiplying ops... This can't be good.

16:59 <jasong> Well, I've got two computers and no truly important data, so I'll just jump in :)

16:59 <CoderForLife> back

16:59 <xkahuna> loadable modules for lvm

17:00 <xkahuna> don, can you kill off the 'xcamels' for me

17:00 <CoderForLife> sure - if I can remember how

17:00 <MTughan> /msg ChanServ OP #boinc

17:00 <PovAddict> xkahuna: that won't help you recover the nickname

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17:00 <PovAddict> /nickserv ghost xcamel <password>

17:01 <xkahuna> no kidding nic..

17:01 <CoderForLife> lol

17:01 <MTughan> xcamel isn't here, just xcamel_ and xcamel__.

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17:01 <MTughan> Or maybe XChat's user list wasn't up to date...

17:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o xcamel

17:02 <xcamel> userlist is fraked

17:02 <CoderForLife> I guess I missed my big chance, eh?

17:02 <MTughan> I could believe it, as it still doesn't show you...

17:02 <MTughan> Oh, right... It could've been op, XChat puts those at the top. :)

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17:03 <xcamel> I'm on the box that runs romulus and piespy - and it doesn't like it.

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17:03 <MTughan> CoderForLife: /mode #boinc -o CoderForLife

17:04 <CoderForLife> huh?

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17:04 * MTughan points to the green dot by CFL's nick

17:04 <jasong> I really hope this torrent speeds up, it's hanging around 3 days as the time it'll finish downloading

17:04 <CoderForLife> green dot?

17:04 <xcamel> it's a bit of a pest

17:04 <MTughan> CoderForLife: You were still op.

17:04 <CoderForLife> i wuz...

17:05 <CoderForLife> not now

17:05 <jasong> ah, there we go, 4 hours

17:05 <MTughan> The /mode took it off.

17:05 <CoderForLife> I didn't use mode

17:05 <CoderForLife> msg chanserv deop

17:05 <MTughan> Graphical can do it too.

17:05 <MTughan> Or using ChanServ...

17:06 <CoderForLife> winterdeath approaches

17:06 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

17:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 24.9F / -3.9C | Humidity: 72% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - A slight chance of snow early this evening...then snow likely late this evening. Snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 3 to 5 inches. Lows 15 to 20. Northeast winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 100 percent.; (2 more messages)

17:06 <CoderForLife> &more

17:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Tuesday - Snow...mixing with sleet and freezing rain in the afternoon. Additional snow and sleet accumulation around an inch. Light ice accumulation. Highs in the upper 20s. Northeast winds around 10 mph. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Tuesday Night - Sleet...snow and freezing rain. Snow and sleet accumulation of 1 to 2 inches. Ice accumulation of up to a tenth of an inch. Lows (1 more message)

17:06 <xcamel> 25F must be nice..

17:06 <CoderForLife> &more

17:06 <Romulus> CoderForLife: around 20. Northeast winds around 10 mph... becoming north after midnight. Chance of precipitation 100 percent.; Winter Storm Warning for Hamilton County in effect until 12:00 PM EST on January 28, 2009;

17:07 <CoderForLife> I see little good in that forecast

17:07 <xcamel> we're going to get 6-12 starting tomorrow night

17:07 <PovAddict> &wx eze

17:07 <Romulus> PovAddict: Temperature: 81°F / 27°C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.95in / 1014hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 16mph / 26km/h | Updated: 7:00 PM ARST; Clear. High:84 F.; Clear. Low:64 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. High:82 F.; Chance of a Thunderstorm. Low:68 F.; Chance of Rain. High:87 F.; Clear. Low:68 F.;

17:08 <CoderForLife> panic buying has ensued at the local grocery stores - demolition derbys in the parking lots

17:09 <CoderForLife> saw 2 wrecks on the way home, and the storm hasn't started yet

17:09 <MTughan> &wx YOW

17:09 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 5°F / -15°C | Humidity: 61% | Pressure: 30.32in / 1027hPa | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: ENE | Wind Speed: 5mph / 7km/h | Updated: 5:00 PM EST; Tonight - Cloudy periods. 30 percent chance of flurries this evening. Low -23C(-9F).; Tuesday - Sunny. High -10C(14F). Tuesday night increasing cloudiness. 40 percent chance of flurries overnight then snow beginning. Low (1 more message)

17:09 <MTughan> &more

17:09 <Romulus> MTughan: -14C(6F).; Wednesday - Periods of snow. High -10C(14F).;

17:10 <xcamel> &wx 12074

17:10 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 14.7F / -9.6C | Humidity: 63% | Pressure: 30.44in / 1030.7hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy this evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. The low around 7 above. Southwest winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday - Partly sunny. The high in the lower 20s. West winds around 5 mph.; Tuesday Night - Partly cloudy (1 more message)

17:10 <xcamel> &more

17:10 <Romulus> xcamel: with a chance of snow in the evening...then cloudy with snow after midnight. Snow accumulation of 2 to 4 inches. The low around 11. Light and variable winds...becoming east around 5 mph after midnight. Chance of snow 80 percent.; Winter Storm Watch for Saratoga County in effect until 12:00 AM EST on January 29, 2009;

17:10 <xcamel> &more

17:10 <Romulus> xcamel: Error: That's all, there is no more.

17:10 <xcamel> nice mess, Ollie..

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17:15 <xcamel> hmmm.. smells like dinner...

17:17 * CoderForLife sniffs cautiously

17:17 <CoderForLife> smells like roasting WUs

17:19 <xcamel> Feb 2 - mail your teabags to obummer and congress.

17:19 <MTughan> ?

17:19 <CoderForLife> hmm interesting

17:19 <xcamel> teaparty 2009

17:19 <MTughan> Why?

17:19 <xcamel> because we have 536 horses asses in washington

17:20 <xcamel> in honor of the Boston Tea Party

17:20 <CoderForLife> ^^^ there you have it

17:21 <CoderForLife> no taxation from our poor representation

17:22 <xcamel> you mean "of"

17:22 <CoderForLife> what do you think? bailout MS?

17:22 <xcamel> oh.. wait..

17:22 <Romulus> <> (at

17:23 <xcamel> "Boo-Friggin-Hoo"

17:23 <CoderForLife> lol

17:23 <CoderForLife> c'mon, don't hold back =)

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17:25 <CoderForLife> well - going to fill the feeders, bring in a bit more firewood before the pile get snowed on, and then do some w@#% homew@#% on the laptop downstairs

17:25 <CoderForLife> bb from there

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17:28 <jasong> The more I think about the Comcast blocking situation, the more it drives me nuts.  In my mind, if they'd altered their methods a bit, they could have gotten what they wanted without people caring, even if they did find out

17:29 <jasong> I mean, delaying a torrent packet by a few seconds isn't a big deal, it's this whole thing of shutting the connection off altogehter

17:29 <jasong> It just seems to indicate that stupidity has no bounds

17:31 <jasong> If they would alter the whole Net Neutrality stuff to say files over a certain size can be delayed, but not cut off, that could easily mean an awesome experience for all

17:31 <jasong> I know it has nothing to do with bandwidth, but switching centers cost money too

17:35 <CoderForLife> plink - trying to fetch files from "horde" and "webmail" directories on web server

17:35 <xcamel> chicken marcella - not too bad

17:36 <jasong> What's that?  A foreign comedian? ;)

17:39 <xcamel> dinner.

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17:40 <xcamel> I dont eat comedian... they taste funny.

17:41 <PovAddict> ba-dum tshh

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17:43 <CoderOnTheCouch> birdfeeding is for the birds - bbiab

17:44 <xcamel> mmmmm cookies...

17:49 <xcamel> going to try to back up one kernel rev...

17:54 <xcamel> bbiab

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18:21 * meglaw is having fun washing, taking pics of moped-spare-parts and putting up for sale on the interwebs

18:22 <Xunie> meglaw, If you have fun washing, Could you do mine too?

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18:26 <Xunie> Good to have you back, Do you copy xcamel?

18:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> birdies fed - 8 more pieces of firewood retrieved

18:26 <wdsmia> re-hi

18:26 <xcamel> grrr...

18:27 <Xunie> Houston to xcamel, How's the systems check coming along?...

18:27 <xcamel> still getting the journal commit error

18:27 <CoderOnTheCouch> Geithner confirmed - is this a great country, or what?

18:27 <Xunie> Houston is standing by.

18:27 <xcamel> and screwing up everything

18:27 <wdsmia> Houston he has a problem he's running *nix :P

18:28 <Xunie> wdsmia,

18:28 <Xunie> Sysinfo for 'hades': Linux 2.6.27-9-generic running , CPU: AMD Turion 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-56 at 800 MHz (1607 bogomips), HD: 581/1052GB, RAM: 1431/1897MB, 153 proc's, 8.52h up

18:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> HAL recommends plugging the unit back in until in actually fails

18:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> until it*

18:28 <Xunie> OH SHI-

18:28 <Xunie> I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

18:28 <Xunie> Goodbye dave.

18:28 <xcamel> kills the io slave

18:29 <CoderOnTheCouch> Sing a little song for me

18:29 <Xunie> Goodbye Dave.

18:29 <xcamel> and sets my home dir to ro

18:29 <Xunie> Also: 'Oh my god, Its full of stars!'

18:29 <CoderOnTheCouch> brb

18:36 <meglaw> Xunie: if i get to sell it and keep the monney? ;)

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18:39 <MTughan> I have fast Internet... Not limited by the modem connection, but by the physical cabling... The switch I'm hooked up to only supports 10Mbit ethernet... >_<

18:40 <MTughan> &math convert [math 10000 / 8] KB to MiB

18:40 <Romulus> MTughan: Error: KB is not a valid unit.

18:40 <MTughan> &math convert [math 10000 / 8] kilobytes to MiB

18:40 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.19209289551

18:41 <MTughan> Firefox says 1.1MB/s, so that seems about right.

18:41 <MTughan> &math convert 10 MB to MiB

18:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 9.53674316406

18:41 <MTughan> Oh, right...

18:41 <MTughan> &math convert [math 10 / 8] MB to MiB

18:41 <Romulus> MTughan: 1.19209289551

18:41 <MTughan> Okay, I did do the conversion right.

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19:00 <CoderOnTheCouch> ut oh

19:00 <CoderOnTheCouch> big water bill

19:01 <CoderOnTheCouch> summer usage number in Oct/Nov/Dec

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19:02 <CoderOnTheCouch> looks like the big trucks didn't do me any favors

19:02 <CoderOnTheCouch> I guess I need to do something to check out the water line

19:06 <meglaw> look at my thread guys, dont tell i´v not been bizzy

19:06 <Romulus> <> (at

19:06 <KathrynM> hmmm, my stomach is growling

19:08 <jasong> Okay Kathryn, do exactly as I say, don't make any sudden moves and move slowly to the doorway.  Maybe your stomach will just ignore you and let you pass

19:08 <KathrynM> lol

19:08 <KathrynM> yes, I have today off.  And yes, my body decided it was a good idea to get up at 0830

19:08 <KathrynM> So now it wants to be fed.

19:08 <KathrynM> How unreasonable.

19:10 <jasong> Possibly stupid sounding question:  Does North Korea have anything major against South Korea?  all I know is what I see on TV, which isn't much

19:10 <jasong> It's all very confusing

19:10 <jasong> to moi

19:11 <jasong> nm, go eat

19:11 <CoderOnTheCouch> reminds me of the old Pepto-Bismol commercial where the guy is interviewing his stomach

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19:15 <CoderOnTheCouch> or was that Alka-Seltzer?

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19:15 <xkahuna> well well

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19:21 <xcamel> well.. running disk repair (fsck)

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19:23 <CoderOnTheCouch> my sentiments exactly

19:24 <PovAddict> fsck! disk errors again!

19:24 <PovAddict> :P

19:24 <CoderOnTheCouch> he's fscking his disk

19:24 <PovAddict> :O

19:24 <Xunie> meglaw, I don't think a few dirty/clean undies will give you sufficent money.

19:25 <Xunie> Maybe you can ask Kirk Hammett, He got some unwashed undies from his Master of Puppets tour...

19:26 <xcamel> hard to do on an lvm array

19:27 <jasong> If I wanted to research ISPs to start a new account, where's a good place to start?

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19:43 <Xunie> jasong, Wait, Please rephrase your question.

19:43 <Xunie> You want to research ISP's what?!

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19:54 <xcamel> there has got to be a way to repair that drive without wrecking everything else

19:54 <meglaw> depends on what u mean repair

19:56 <xcamel> mark the bad spots and write around them

19:56 <wdsmia> replace it and restore from back-up... oh that right whats a backup

19:56 <xcamel> it's part of an lvm group

19:56 <xcamel> ha-ha-ha

19:56 <xcamel> backup I have

19:56 <xcamel> sort of

19:57 <wdsmia> lol

19:58 <xcamel> 4 big tar files on my usb terrabook

19:58 <PovAddict> it's possible... do you have ninety dollars handy?

19:58 <xcamel> funny

19:58 <PovAddict> (or a pirate eye-patch)

20:01 <jasong> Oh, sorry, didn't see someone answered my quesiton.  I don't own the ISP contract that I'm using right now, I'm thinking about starting one that just belongs to me

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20:08 <Xunie> jasong, well, So you want a good ISP?... Look for adverts, Goto comparison sites (now, Take those critically).. And select one...

20:09 <Xunie> I was cheaper buying a 'all in one' package that includes telephony and television...

20:11 <Xunie> So I did.. 1MB/s down, 160kb/s up instead of the 220kb/s down and 60kbp/s up, Its a hell... I sure hope docshit 3 is coming to use in the following 2 years, A speed increase wich would rock me out!

20:11 <wdsmia> asks Xunie to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

20:11 <Xunie> wdsmia, :3

20:11 <MTughan> Xunie: 1MB/s down, 1MB/s up. ;)

20:11 <Xunie> Now, That would be awesome, Yet they don't do that, Why? I don't have a clue!

20:12 <MTughan> No, that's what I have.

20:12 <Xunie> Seriously?...

20:12 <MTughan> Want a Speedtest?

20:12 <Xunie> MTughan, Good.. I'll share mine with you :P

20:12 <PovAddict> "Look for adverts, Goto comparison sites (now, Take those critically).."

20:12 <PovAddict> huh

20:12 <PovAddict> you should take adverts more critically than comparison sites :)

20:13 <Xunie> PovAddict, No, Adverts just blow things up, Comparison sites are bullshizzle, I mean who wouldn't promote his company at those?!

20:13 <MTughan> Well, the upload's slower tonight, but I've seen it as high as 8500kb/s.

20:14 <Xunie> (And Adverts state things that are real, Facts, Things to confirm, blablabla)

20:14 <PovAddict>,1954.html

20:14 <Romulus> <> (at

20:16 <xcamel> brb

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20:16 <Xunie> MTughan, Please note that some ISP's just merged into one, Including @home, casema and more...

20:16 <Xunie> There now called 'Ziggo' and there has been a bit of a discussion about its customer service.

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20:17 <MTughan> wb Jay

20:17 <Xunie> To be honest: The worst service I got was from KPN, Both the product and the customer support was so bad, I got depressed.

20:18 <Xunie> And now, With Casema/Ziggo, I've had no trouble (Sometimes when I am lazy, And I want a modem reset, I just pick up the phone and call customer support if they can reset it xD)

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20:23 <zombie67> pov?

20:23 <Romulus> pov is usually not got for very long, zombie67

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20:24 <PovAddict> moo

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20:25 <Xunie> PovAddict, 'Have you mooed

20:25 <Xunie> PovAddict, apt-get moo

20:25 <PovAddict>          (__)

20:25 <PovAddict>          (oo)

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20:25 <PovAddict>   / |    ||

20:25 <PovAddict> *  /\---/\

20:25 <PovAddict>     ~~   ~~

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20:25 <MTughan> lol

20:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> a chicken?

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20:26 <MTughan> COTC: Since when does a chicken have four legs?

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20:26 <zombie67>

20:26 <Romulus> <> (at

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20:26 <CoderOnTheCouch> I only see 2 feet

20:26 <zombie67> and

20:26 <Romulus> <> (at

20:27 <CoderOnTheCouch> and a beak

20:27 <jasong> Chickens are very environmentally green, I keep hoping KFC will start using that in their advertising

20:27 <jasong> Yes, that was off-topic

20:27 <zombie67> I have seen these complaints over and over with new BOINC projects.   Email notifications never work.

20:27 <CoderOnTheCouch> maybe they'll start using them in their food

20:28 <PovAddict> setting up a mail server is non-trivial

20:28 <xcamel> real chicken?

20:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> nah - I doubt it

20:28 <MTughan> zombie67: Uh, they're the exact same text, posted 23 seconds apart. Are they legit?

20:28 <xcamel> weird.. sdd has no filesystem

20:28 <CoderOnTheCouch> yes, Pov - be careful of your SMTP gateway

20:28 <xcamel> yet is part of the lvm

20:28 <zombie67> is there nothing in the instructions about setting up the BOINC server's mail server?

20:28 <Xunie> PovAddict, I got /moo configured, It will now output 'apt-get moo'

20:28 <xcamel> and active

20:28 <zombie67> MT:  huh?

20:29 <MTughan> Nvm.

20:29 <Xunie> PovAddict, Actually the output of * but what ever.

20:29 <zombie67> POV:  my point is

20:29 <PovAddict> zombie67: as much as there are instructions on how to install Linux, Apache, PHP, or MySQL

20:29 <xcamel> yeah... HUH?

20:29 <CoderOnTheCouch> LAMP!

20:29 <zombie67> this is a problem that almost ALL projects have

20:29 <zombie67> it should be addressed as a BOINC problem

20:30 <PovAddict> David Anderson aims at the "let any computer-noob scientist set up a project without knowing what he's doing" target

20:30 <zombie67> and when the mail server doesn't work at the time global teams are turned on, people NEVER get the notifications

20:30 <zombie67> even after the mail server is fixed

20:30 <PovAddict> and a mailserver needs a lot of maintenance for spam reasons, so boinc can't even give three-step instructions on how to install one

20:30 <jasong> maybe we should fix David Anderson instead

20:31 <CoderOnTheCouch> time to get ready to watch "24"

20:31 <wdsmia> good luck

20:31 <CoderOnTheCouch> gn

20:31 <jasong> I mean it wouldn't solve the IMMEDIATE problem, but it would help later generations

20:31 <jasong> ;)

20:31 <zombie67> I assume BOINC has instructions about turning on/importing global teams?

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20:31 <PovAddict> I think many people turn every task <enabled> without knowing what it does... only way to explain what happened to ORE... :)

20:32 <zombie67> perhaps there should be warnings there not to turn that on unless the mail server has been set up and confirmed to be working

20:32 <Xunie> Is it allowed for me to install (with the permission of the owner) boinc on some of my friend's pc's?

20:32 <Xunie> Or is it only allowed to do it on your own machines?

20:32 <PovAddict> Xunie: you can with permission of the owner

20:32 <xcamel> think a .44 long colt at close range will fix this?

20:32 <zombie67> with permission, yes, go for it

20:32 <PovAddict> zombie67: perhaps it should first send the email and them import the team

20:32 <PovAddict> if mail sending fails, team isn't imported

20:33 <zombie67> pov:  even better

20:33 <PovAddict> except I'm not sure if mail-sending functions correctly and reliably report if they "failed"...

20:33 <zombie67> so, I leave it in your capable hands.  ;)

20:33 <Xunie> xcamel, As some people might say it 'Pop that !@#$%^& ass!'

20:34 <xcamel> that's about how I feel about it atm..

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20:40 <wdsmia> and then the silence was broken by a moo

20:41 <efc> Moo?

20:41 <wdsmia> *lo Eddie

20:42 <efc> Hey

20:44 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

20:48 <wdsmia> TFFE seems to be lagging in the prime grid challenge :(

20:52 <jasong> WHY OH WHY is there no stable BOINC client for Fedora 10?  It's been pre-release for months I think

20:52 * jasong blames David Anderson based on past experience

20:53 <xcamel> I have boinc running on fc10, but only using gnome

20:54 <jasong> I've been using Linux for 2-3 years, but I still don't have a handle on the whole GNOME/KDE concept, how do you tell the difference?

20:54 <jasong> (I'm a Linux user living in Arkansas, so my experience is totally Internet related when it comes to a lot of stuff)

20:56 <wdsmia> Arkansas? I didnt know they had Internet in Arkansas j/k lol

20:58 <PovAddict> jasong: try both and you'll notice

21:09 <xcamel> nice treat - all drives are smart enabled

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21:13 <jasong> Anybody have any suggestions on how to get BOINC working?

21:14 <jasong> The BOINC that was downloaded by the package updater is more broke than the country I'm in

21:15 <zombie67> gnome is more mac like, kde is more XP like

21:15 <zombie67> when I ran linux, I just put BOINC on my desktop, and ran it from there.

21:16 <PovAddict> jasong: what version did it get?

21:16 <PovAddict> zombie67: I tried gnome a few hours ago

21:16 <jasong> And I hear Vista is also very Mac-like, so we basically have two choices for the interface

21:16 <PovAddict> I'd say you just insulted mac

21:16 <xcamel> you seriously insulted the mac

21:17 <efc> I wouldn't take that

21:17 <jasong> Well, Vista is like a broken Macintosh.  Better?

21:17 * efc hands out weapons

21:17 <PovAddict> seriously... after trying gnome from the latest Ubuntu LiveCD, my thought was...

21:17 * xcamel gets ready to become king-of-channel

21:17 <PovAddict> let's go write a desktop environment from scratch; none good exists yet

21:17 <PovAddict> but I'd need some clones of myself to even start such a project

21:18 <jasong> I'm waiting for the 3d interface where you can throw around virtual objects

21:18 <xcamel> and display in thin ait..

21:18 <xcamel> er air, even

21:19 <jasong> How'd you like to show a movie in the living room while sitting in the office?  Just pick it up and toss it in the "living room" container

21:19 <MTughan> jasong: Vista doesn't look like Mac. Win7 does more.

21:19 <PovAddict> you can do the first part

21:19 <jasong> true

21:19 <jasong> I guess we need to integrate it so everybody can use it

21:19 <PovAddict> &google BumpTop

21:20 <Romulus> PovAddict: Search took 0.13 seconds: BumpTop: <>; YouTube - BumpTop 3D Desktop Prototype - www. bumptop .com: <>; Anand Agarawala demos his BumpTop desktop | Video on <>; BumpTop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: (2 more messages)

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21:26 <PovAddict> jasong: you know, that's actually quite a good idea

21:27 <PovAddict> drag a movie file into a picture of your living room

21:28 <PovAddict> I want to make myself a wallpaper like this ->

21:31 <Xunie> nice shop PovAddict!

21:31 <Xunie> xD

21:32 <PovAddict> it's not a photoshop

21:32 <Xunie> shoop*... Fotoshop/... As 4chan would say it 'Shoop da whoop!'

21:32 <PovAddict> take laptop out

21:32 <PovAddict> take a picture exactly where laptop was

21:32 <PovAddict> put laptop back in position

21:32 <PovAddict> set the picture as wallpaper

21:32 <Xunie> PovAddict, with some shopping ofcourse

21:33 <Xunie> BTW: Nicely done with the tv :P

21:33 <PovAddict> why?

21:33 <PovAddict> I didn't do it...

21:33 <PovAddict> I want to make one like it

21:33 <Xunie> seriosly, I would love that as a screen!

21:33 <PovAddict> and the TV is probably paused

21:33 <Xunie> With a lid in my laptop, So I can put actual leaves and feathers in it or something.. AWESOME

21:34 <Xunie> PovAddict, DUH, A fkin tape!

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21:49 <xcamel> just not making my day...

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22:18 <wdsmia> TFFE up to 5th in the prime grid challenge

22:20 <wdsmia> make that 4th to bad only one person from the team seems to be crunching

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