IRC logs of #boinc for Friday, 2009-01-30

00:03 <MTughan>

00:03 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Ducklings (at

00:10 <efc> Have to figure they are paying commercial rates for electricity, higher than residential

00:11 <jasong> hmmmm, true

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01:54 <jasong> Good Lord, I'm an idiot

01:54 <jasong> I've been struggling to update my system for the past couple days

01:54 <jasong> Turns out the solution is...Wait for it

01:54 <jasong> yum update yum

01:55 <jasong> Then everything else just updates

01:55 * jasong bangs his head against the wall

01:55 <jasong> ooh, maybe not

01:55 <jasong> We'll see

02:12 <efc> Night

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03:20 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:20 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 30F / -1C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 15mph / 24km/h ; Tonight - Cloudy. Numerous snow showers...then scattered snow showers late. Snow accumulation less than an inch. Lows 15 to 20. West winds around 10 mph. Chance of snow 70 percent.; Friday - Mostly cloudy with a 50 percent chance (1 more message)

03:20 <CoderForLife> &more

03:20 <Romulus> CoderForLife: of snow showers. Highs in the lower 20s. West winds 10 to 15 mph.; Friday Night - Partly cloudy with a slight chance of snow showers in the evening...then mostly clear after midnight. Much colder with lows 0 to 5 above. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 20 percent. Wind chill as low as 10 below after midnight.;

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03:35 <CoderForLife> plink

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06:13 <CoderForLife> off to the salt mine - need some more around here

06:18 <Soul_keeper> Last Result:

06:18 <Soul_keeper> Download Speed: 33756 kbps (4219.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

06:18 <Soul_keeper> Upload Speed: 5304 kbps (663 KB/sec transfer rate)

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06:31 <hawmps> sporks >>,,

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06:33 <zombie67> how do I reset my LTD for a project again?

06:34 <Soul_keeper> depends what the acrinym is :)

06:34 <zombie67> Long Term Debt

06:35 <Soul_keeper> client_state.xml

06:35 <Soul_keeper> <long_term_debt>0</long_term_debt>

06:37 <zombie67> thanks!

06:37 <Soul_keeper> appears to be one for each project in there

06:38 <Soul_keeper> np

06:49 <Soul_keeper>   hmmm these people have no affiliation with boinc huh ?

06:49 <Romulus> Title: Project RC5 (at

06:50 <Soul_keeper> you can apparently win money if you crack the key

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07:07 <zombie67> well not exactly.  You can run their app directly, of course

07:07 <zombie67> or you can run their projects in BOINC via yoyo@home

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07:09 <Soul_keeper> interesting

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07:15 <zombie67> yoyo@home puts these non-BOINC projects into BOINC wrappers.

07:16 <Soul_keeper> that's good news

07:17 <Soul_keeper> anyways i guess i should go to sleep, it's past 4am :)

07:46 <hawmps>

07:46 <Romulus> Title: APOD: 2009 January 30 - NGC 1579: Trifid of the North (at

07:46 <hawmps> very nice

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09:39 <hawmps> &wx 12020

09:39 <Romulus> hawmps: Temperature: 21.9F / -5.6C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.71in / 1006.0hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Today - Mostly cloudy. A slight chance of snow showers this morning...then a chance of snow showers this afternoon. Highs in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of snow 40 percent.; Tonight - Cloudy with a 40 percent (1 more message)

09:39 <hawmps> &more

09:39 <Romulus> hawmps: chance of snow showers. Lows around 15. West winds 5 to 10 mph.; Saturday - Mostly cloudy in the morning...then becoming partly sunny. A 40 percent chance of snow showers. Cold with highs in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.;

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09:40 <MTughan> 'lo Jay

09:40 <MTughan> And work Doug.

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09:41 <hawmps> 'lo Mike

09:42 <MTughan> Snow let up yet?

09:43 <hawmps> long gone.. next big storm next tues/wed

09:43 <hawmps> ...could be a monster...

09:43 <MTughan> I think you sent that snow here... Not hard, but it's coming down.

09:43 <MTughan> What, the last one wasn't a monster? :P

09:43 <hawmps> it changed to sleet and cut the totals by half...

09:44 <MTughan> Did it freeze?

09:44 <hawmps> yeah.. nice crusties..

09:44 <MTughan> Hard to tell if that or the snow was better then.

09:47 <Soul_keeper> &weather 91977

09:47 <Romulus> Soul_keeper: Temperature: 48.2F / 9.0C | Humidity: 37% | Pressure: 29.53in / 999.9hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs 80 to 85 in the western valleys to 71 to 76 near the foothills. Winds east 15 to 20 mph in the morning becoming light. Local gusts to 30 mph.; Tonight - Clear. Lows 44 to 54. Winds east 15 mph.; Saturday - (1 more message)

09:47 <MTughan> 'lo SK

09:47 <Soul_keeper> Hello MTughan

09:48 <MTughan> Don't worry about my poor performance over the past couple of days... A program on my computer was stealing half of BOINC's computing power, so I'll be able to use my laptop more effectively now. :P

09:49 <Soul_keeper> good

09:49 <Soul_keeper> i need a challenge in life :)

09:49 <MTughan> And new hardware?

09:50 <Soul_keeper> not for atleast another month here

09:50 <Soul_keeper> but mind you i'm eyeing things

09:50 <Soul_keeper> maybe 2 or 3 months ...

09:50 <MTughan> Heh.

09:51 <MTughan> Looking at a 285 or 295?

09:51 <Soul_keeper> no, they pull too many watts

09:51 <Soul_keeper> i'm waiting for the 40nm shrink

09:51 <MTughan> IIRC, the 285 pulls less than the 280.

09:52 <Soul_keeper>

09:52 <Romulus> <> (at

09:52 <MTughan> lol, 3W less.

09:53 <MTughan> I think they also clocked the card higher than the 280 because it pulls less, but that's still a fair amount of power.

09:53 <Soul_keeper> my "sweet spot" is around 100watts or less

09:53 <MTughan> Looks like my card pulls 131W at full load.

09:54 <Soul_keeper> my  9800GT and my 3870  each pull about 80 watts   i'm happy with that

09:54 <MTughan> Not bad.

09:55 <Soul_keeper> the 55nm 9800GTX+  don't look bad tho

09:55 <MTughan> I found the GTX, where's the GTX+?

09:55 <MTughan> Oh, there it is... 80W, not bad.

09:56 <MTughan> That was the other card I was looking at when building this computer.

09:56 <Soul_keeper> yeah 55nm basically dropped it's wattage by nearly 30%

09:56 <MTughan> Hoping for something similar with 40nm?

09:56 <Soul_keeper> gtx600 55nm only pulls 112  that's not bad either i guess

09:56 <Soul_keeper> yeah

09:57 <Soul_keeper> i'd love to build an am3 system but, that might be dreaming

09:58 <MTughan> May just be "birthing pains", but I read that AM3 systems had performance lower than AM2+ systems for now.

09:58 <Soul_keeper> that would mean getting a job or something stupid :)

09:58 <Soul_keeper> we won't know untill atleast next month, but i suspect it'll be a bit faster than some suspect

09:59 <MTughan> Probably, especially with DDR3 support.

09:59 <Soul_keeper> i think 4 cores get hungry for bandwidth once you start overclocking toward 4GHz   i could be wrong tho

09:59 <MTughan> Sounds right.

10:00 <Soul_keeper> i think it'll be enough to give it the edge over the c2q

10:00 <MTughan> Hmm, good to hear:

10:00 <Romulus> Title: Microsoft: We've reached the 64-bit tipping point - The Tech Report (at

10:02 <Soul_keeper> i still havn't put a 64-bit environment on my main rig ...

10:02 <Soul_keeper> i'm going to take the plunge soon as slamd64 12.2 comes out tho

10:02 <MTughan> I meant that it reduces the number of Windows versions that have to be chosen from.

10:03 <Soul_keeper> yeah i ignore windows

10:03 <Soul_keeper> i forget it exists for days at a time :)

10:03 <MTughan> What's SlamD? On its website, can tell it's a Linux distro.

10:03 <Soul_keeper> it's a 64-bit version of slackware

10:04 <MTughan> Slackware doesn't have a 64-bit version?

10:04 <Soul_keeper> nope

10:04 <MTughan> Huh.

10:04 <Soul_keeper> slackware likes to remain stable above all else

10:04 <Soul_keeper> 32-bit software is still more available, stable, supported, etc.  so they stick to that for now

10:05 <Soul_keeper> not that they are outdated, just a matter of choice

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10:14 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Did you know that Slamd64 has a Freenode channel?

10:15 <Soul_keeper> yes

10:15 <Soul_keeper> i go there sometimes

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10:21 <Soul_keeper>

10:22 <MTughan> o_O

10:42 <Soul_keeper>,6931.html

10:42 <Romulus> <> (at

10:45 <zombie67> yummy!

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11:06 <CoderForLife> plink

11:07 <hawmps> darn my little script works great

11:10 <hawmps> I need to add the ability to take a 'network name' though... any suggestions?

11:11 <hawmps> ie: in addition to ''

11:18 <Soul_keeper> what script ?

11:19 <Soul_keeper> you mean you want to query a nameserver ? resolve the hostname ?  or is it running natively and you just want the local info ?

11:20 <hawmps> simple little script to add 'sporks' to iptables...

11:20 <hawmps> some are by ip, others are by network name.

11:21 <Soul_keeper> A spork, or foon, is a hybrid form of cutlery taking the form of a spoon-like shallow scoop with the addition of the tines of a fork (usually three or four) ...

11:21 <Soul_keeper> :)

11:21 <Soul_keeper> good luck

11:21 <hawmps> to 'spork' and address is to add it to the firewall blacklist

11:22 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

11:22 <hawmps> #!/bin/bash

11:22 <hawmps> while true; do

11:22 <hawmps>   printf "Enter the Ip address to be blocked:"

11:22 <hawmps>   read TARGET;

11:22 <hawmps>   if [[ $TARGET = 0 ]]; then break; fi;

11:22 <hawmps>   iptables -I INPUT -s $TARGET -j DROP;

11:22 <Soul_keeper> i'm too "macho" to use iptables, havn't used it since i ran a nat server a few years ago when iptables was just replacing ipchains

11:23 <hawmps> can't fault what works generally..

11:28 <Soul_keeper> dig |grep |tail -1 |tr '\t' '\n' |tail -1

11:28 <Soul_keeper> i'm a messing basher

11:29 <Soul_keeper> that's probably nothing like what you want tho

11:30 <hawmps> it doesn't cover the spoofed ones that are the biggest problems..

11:31 <Soul_keeper> what's an example of a "spoofed" one ?

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11:40 <hawmps>

11:40 <hawmps>

11:40 <hawmps> typical..

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11:46 <Soul_keeper> well i'd assume someone would have to own   and

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11:46 <Soul_keeper> could just blacklist the whole domain ...

11:47 <Soul_keeper> i dunno, i'm no network expert

11:48 <Soul_keeper>   looks like they give out shell accounts tho

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11:49 <Soul_keeper> same with

11:53 <Soul_keeper> might take some work but you could set your program to whois the domains, and send off automated e-mails to the admins telling them of the offending subdomains

11:53 <MTughan> Heh, looks like three people on the shoutbox are going to hit 1 mil all around the same time: me, caspr, and formulaman.

11:54 <Soul_keeper> when is that ?

11:54 <Soul_keeper> i should hit 1M on wcg in about 20 days :)

11:54 <MTughan> Not sure. I just broke the 800K barrier, caspr's up at 930K, and formulaman splits the middle at 860K.

11:55 <MTughan> Approximating 10K/day once I get the quad up, that means about 20 days...

11:55 <Soul_keeper> 940K on wcg  3K a day

11:55 <MTughan> Note that I didn't plan on 20 days.

11:55 <Soul_keeper> heh

11:56 <Soul_keeper> when i get to 1M on wcg i'll likely focus on seti and einstein

11:56 <MTughan> Anyway, I might actually get a bit more. The quad can start using the GPU, two tasks on Milkyway to one core, and then WCG on the other three. Should actually make around 8-12K/day. The lappie does 4-5K/day.

11:57 <Soul_keeper> there you go

11:57 <MTughan> So I could conceivably hit 15K/day... Man, that's the highest I've ever had.

11:57 <MTughan> &math 190 / 15

11:57 <Romulus> MTughan: 12.6666666667

11:57 <MTughan> w00t, two weeks!

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12:10 <MTughan> Wow, I have 9 tabs open to various pages on BOINCStats...

12:11 <MTughan> One for my stats, Pov's, SK's, formulaman's, and caspr's, two comparison tables, a team table, and the shoutbox.

12:18 <Soul_keeper> how about your bank account, and my paypal button :)

12:19 <MTughan> Even if I were to donate all the money I have in campus accounts, bank account, and cash, it'd amount to about $15.

12:19 <Soul_keeper> lol

12:20 <MTughan> In hardware terms, I own probably about $4500 worth of computers.

12:20 <Soul_keeper> so you're in college then ?

12:20 <MTughan> University. Basically the same thing according to the US.

12:22 <Soul_keeper> yeah, here  we have   college and university,  "university" is considered more prestigious thus costs more ...

12:22 <MTughan> I'm not sure about costs, but I would assume the same thing. And the mindset still applies.

12:24 <Soul_keeper>

12:24 <Romulus> Title: Dude, Pot Growers Offer To Save California - Funny Business with Jane Wells - (at

12:26 <MTughan> lol

12:55 <ELGono> nice idea ;)

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14:21 <MTughan> Wow... hawmps: You definitely sent the snow our way. Coming down in large flakes.

14:23 <zombie67> &wx 94568

14:23 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 59.9F / 15.5C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 30.26in / 1024.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Haze | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs in the 60s. Northeast winds around 5 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear in the evening then becoming mostly cloudy. Patchy fog through the night. (1 more message)

14:23 <zombie67> &more

14:23 <Romulus> zombie67: Lows in the mid 30s to lower 40s. West winds around 5 mph.; Saturday - Partly cloudy in the morning then becoming mostly sunny. Patchy fog in the morning. Highs in the 60s. Northwest winds around 5 mph.;

14:24 <zombie67> not even 60F?  brrrrr!

14:24 <MTughan> Wow, you're warm...

14:24 <MTughan> &wx YOW

14:24 <zombie67> heh

14:24 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 27°F / -3°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 29.67in / 1005hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h | Updated: 2:00 PM EST; Today - Periods of light snow. Amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Wind becoming west 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) early this afternoon. High -2C(28F).; Tonight - Periods of light snow ending early this evening then (1 more message)

14:24 <zombie67> YOW??

14:24 <MTughan> Light snow it ain't anymore.

14:24 <MTughan> &airport YOW

14:24 <Romulus> MTughan: Ottawa - Hull, Canada

14:24 <zombie67> ah, that's a postal code?

14:24 <MTughan> Airport code.

14:24 <MTughan> &wx K1S 5B7

14:24 <Romulus> MTughan: Temperature: 26.8°F / -2.9°C | Humidity: 80% | Pressure: 29.35in / 993.8hPa | Conditions: Light Snow | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 3.0mph / 4.8km/h | Updated: 2:24 PM EST; Today - Periods of light snow. Amount 2 cm(0.8 in). Wind becoming west 30 km/h (19 mph) gusting to 50 km/h (31 mph) early this afternoon. High -2C(28F).; Tonight - Periods of light snow ending early this evening (1 more message)

14:24 <zombie67> &wx SFO

14:25 <Romulus> zombie67: Temperature: 53F / 12C | Humidity: 77% | Pressure: 30.33in / 1027hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 4mph / 6km/h ; Today - Sunny. Highs in the 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph.; Tonight - Mostly clear. Lows in the lower 40s. Northwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Mostly sunny. Highs in the 60s. Northwest winds 5 to 10 mph in the morning...becoming (1 more message)

14:25 <MTughan> lol, 0.1C colder here than at the airport. xD

14:25 <MTughan> Carleton probably has a weather station on campus actually, explains why the postal code gets a different result than the airport.

14:28 <MTughan> Looks like the snow's getting heavier...

14:29 <MTughan> Oh, and very good news for us... Public transit has been on strike for 52 days now. The mayor and the union leader reached a tentative deal yesterday, so we may finally have some relief.

14:30 <MTughan>

14:30 <Romulus> Title: xkcd - A Webcomic - Ducklings (at

14:31 <zombie67> if you can go without it for 52 days, you really don't need it.  Fire them all.

14:32 <MTughan> We don't really need it, but it clogs up the roads. What used to be a 15-20 minute drive for my teacher in the morning has apparently become over an hour.

14:32 <zombie67> do what we all do around here, time shift

14:32 <zombie67> after the earthquake, and all the bridges were closed (and many other roads), traffic came to a halt

14:33 <zombie67> so people started shifting their commute times around

14:33 <zombie67> some people would go in at 4 AM, some at noon.

14:33 <zombie67> the rest of us started telecommuting

14:33 <MTughan> '"Thank God! That's all I have to say," said Dore Charbonneau, who added getting up at 4:30 a.m. to carpool to work was taking its toll.'

14:34 <zombie67> heh

14:35 <MTughan> Talking to a driver: "But when asked if he thought the strike was worth it, he said he didn't know."

14:35 <zombie67> seriously, if I can live without it 52 days, I don't need it

14:35 <MTughan> Ah, good... City council voted 17-0 to ratify the agreement. That just leaves the union.

14:36 <zombie67> I am sure the public transportation doesn't pay for itself.  Ditch it, and lower taxes

14:39 <MTughan> Well, a lot of people are calling the mayor a "lame duck". Frankly, I agree with them.

14:39 <MTughan> Anyway, the union meets tomorrow.

14:40 <MTughan> And of course, on their website, the big text "ATU Local 279 and its Members CANNOT BE BROKEN!". F*** you.

14:40 <zombie67> I hate unions

14:40 <MTughan> The story behind the strike is more interesting... They went on strike in mid-December because they were working without a contract. But the previous contract had expired in April.

14:41 <zombie67> they destroyed the US car inductry

14:41 <zombie67> with the help of management, of course

14:41 <MTughan> I think the union took it too far, but I blame the City for the strike more.

14:42 <zombie67> I prefer:  do a good job, *earn* that raise or promotion.

14:43 <zombie67> do a crappy job, get fired

14:43 <zombie67> simple

14:43 <zombie67> no negotiation needed.

14:43 <MTughan> Provided you were being paid a fair wage at the beginning.

14:43 <zombie67> there are minimum wage laws in the US

14:43 <zombie67> not sure up your way

14:44 <MTughan> If you were working as a big part of a company and were being paid minimum wage, would you do it?

14:44 <MTughan> (I can't think of a position ATM)

14:44 <zombie67> free market would take care of thet

14:44 <zombie67> they wouldn't be able to hire people for minimum

14:44 <zombie67> and if they *could*, then maybe that is all that job is worth

14:44 <MTughan> Not necessarily. Consider the transit here. There's only one transit system that they can work for.

14:45 <zombie67> you can drive for other industries

14:45 <zombie67> or learn another skill

14:45 <zombie67> or move to a town that has better jobe

14:45 <zombie67> jobs

14:45 <zombie67> no one *owes* anyone a job

14:47 <MTughan> Also, another strike that was killed yesterday... York University TAs had been on strike for 12 weeks. The Ontario government passed back-to-work legislation yesterday forcing them back.

14:47 <zombie67> good

14:48 <zombie67> WAY too many people who enter the bizarre world of higher education, to get a degree, and just never leave

14:51 <ELGono> hehehe i'm student since 10 years and like to study some more 20 years ;)

14:55 <zombie67> my fav rodney dangerfield quote from Back To School:

14:56 <zombie67> Thank you, Dean Martin, President Sinclair...and members of the graduating class.

14:56 <zombie67> I have only one thing to say to you's a jungle out there.

14:56 <zombie67> You gotta look out for number one. But don't step in number two.

14:56 <zombie67> And so, to all you you go out into the world my advice to you is...don't go!

14:56 <zombie67> It's rough out there.  Move back with your parents.  Let them worry about it.

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15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> moin

15:07 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

15:07 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 34°F / 1°C | Humidity: 93% | Pressure: 30.30in / 1026hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 8:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:28 F.; Chance of Snow. High:32 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.;

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15:45 <jasong> Okay, stupid question, how do I turn an unpartitioned volume into an independent directory I can transfer stuff to?  it's an external drive, so it won't be accessible all the time.  I'm losing hair just trying to get it recognized as free space

15:45 <jasong> LInux

15:45 <jasong> Fedora 10

15:47 <xcamel> re-hi

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16:21 <FreeLarry58> morn all

16:22 <FreeLarry58> well xcamel took suggestion and picked up a 650W ps yesterday - i think it may work as have 3 rails rated at 19 amps so should be able to split load inside machine better

16:22 <FreeLarry58> hopefully will be more stable once i get it in

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16:32 <MTughan__> Seeya FL.

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16:32 <MTughan>

16:32 <Romulus> <> (at

16:36 <xcamel> ...hope it works..

16:37 <MTughan> Means more BOINC output if it works. :P

16:37 <MTughan> Although we lose the space heater aspect.

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16:52 <CoderForLife> re-hi

16:52 <MTughan> 'lo CFL

16:52 <CoderForLife> hello Mr. T

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16:53 <MTughan> Ever heard of a Core 2 Quard?

16:53 <zombie67> mt:

16:53 <Romulus> <> (at

16:53 <CoderForLife> seems like I could walk froim here to the creek on the backs of deer

16:53 <MTughan> zombie67: Dunno, could be a number of things.

16:53 <MTughan> Can I get you to run two commands for me?

16:54 <CoderForLife> core 2 quad? absolutely

16:54 <MTughan> CoderForLife: No, Core 2 QuaRd.

16:54 <MTughan> Type FTW.

16:54 <MTughan> Typo*

16:54 <CoderForLife> lol

16:54 <CoderForLife> um  no

16:55 <MTughan> zombie67: Can I get you to run two commands on the terminal for me?

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16:57 <zombie67> sure

16:58 <MTughan> "file <application>" and "otool -L <application>"

16:58 <zombie67> which application?

16:58 <zombie67> % file <application>

16:58 <MTughan> The NQueens application. I don't know the exact path, although I can guess at it.

16:58 <zombie67> Missing name for redirect.

16:58 <zombie67> ah!

16:58 <zombie67> just a sec

16:58 <MTughan> /Library/Application Support/BOINC Data/projects/

16:58 <MTughan> Probably that.

16:59 * CoderForLife gets out the bills to pay

17:00 * CoderForLife never pays the larrys - sorry FL

17:00 <zombie67> tcsh ./file command not found

17:00 <MTughan> file should be in the path, not the current directory.

17:01 <zombie67> app: Mach-0 executable ppc

17:01 <MTughan> Okay, good. At least they didn't mistakenly compile it as an Intel app.

17:02 <zombie67> otool command not found

17:02 <MTughan> Maybe it gets installed with the developer tools...

17:03 <MTughan> otool -L will show the dynamically linked libraries for an application. It's easier to trip up and possibly link it for a 10.5 minimum system than for a 10.4 min, especially if compiling on a 10.5 system.

17:04 <zombie67> i don't have any dev tools on my old PPCs

17:04 <MTughan> Any system with them at all?

17:05 <zombie67> nope

17:05 <zombie67> my quad bit the dirt

17:05 <zombie67> refuses to run for more than a few minutes

17:05 <zombie67> can't figure out why

17:05 <xcamel> low power?

17:05 <MTughan> I don't know of anyone else with XCode installed...

17:05 <zombie67> plenty of power

17:05 <MTughan> xcamel: It's a Mac (Pro?).

17:06 <zombie67> quad G5

17:06 <MTughan> Power Mac.

17:06 * CoderForLife remembers paying a Jay one time

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17:06 <xcamel> wow - quite a snow squall..

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17:07 <MTughan> Well, maybe the NQueens admins can run that command on their PPC application?

17:07 <MTughan> Presumably, one of them has XCode installed if they were able to compile Mac apps.

17:07 <zombie67> k

17:07 <zombie67> thanks for looking at this.

17:08 <MTughan> np

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17:09 <xcamel> 'lo Ed

17:09 <CoderForLife> moo

17:10 <efc> Hey

17:10 <efc> Got back from the hardware store, buying some threaded rods and such

17:10 <Tank_Master> are they multi threaded?

17:10 <MTughan> lol

17:10 <Tank_Master> :)

17:10 <xcamel> multi-rodded

17:10 <efc> single start

17:11 <efc> they appear to be in 2 categories: Crap and Non-Crap

17:11 <Tank_Master> :)

17:11 <Tank_Master> AMD and non AMD?

17:11 <efc> As far as having a smooth-spining bold on them

17:12 <efc> err bolt

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17:13 <efc> will have to hit McMaster-Carr sometime for some good ones but this will serve for now

17:16 * CoderForLife remembers back to circa 1979 - ah, McMaster Carr

17:16 <xcamel> or Grainger's

17:17 <efc> they have awesome stuff, but at around $50 a foot I'll want to mock up something with this Lowe's crap first

17:17 <xcamel> G - you can order all that stuff on line

17:17 <xcamel> oh.. Michael Steele gets the RNC chair

17:18 <CoderForLife> yep  I heard Hannity say that

17:18 <CoderForLife> Hannity thought that was good

17:18 <xcamel> not Blackwell, but close enough

17:18 <CoderForLife> I don't know much about him

17:18 <CoderForLife> Blackwell I know

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17:19 <efc> I was hoping for some 1.5 and 2 inch dowel rods too but they didn't have any that big

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17:32 <wdsmia> TGIF!!!

17:33 <efc> &beer wdsmia

17:33 <Romulus> Here's your beer, efc... Now drink up before I slap you silly!

17:33 <xcamel> indeed

17:34 <efc> &rootbeer

17:34 <Romulus> efc: Are you daft?

17:34 <xcamel> all out.

17:34 * CoderForLife lifts his head from bill-paying

17:34 <CoderForLife> hello Doug

17:34 <wdsmia> *lo All

17:34 * CoderForLife returns to bill-paying

17:34 <xcamel> hi

17:36 <wdsmia> man it was a Murphy day today... glad its over

17:37 <CoderForLife> how's the Oracle server?

17:37 <wdsmia> its up

17:37 <CoderForLife> woot

17:37 <CoderForLife> was the UPS guy caught with blood on his hands?

17:37 <wdsmia> why it froze I have no idea

17:38 * CoderForLife checks the temperature

17:38 <CoderForLife> the first thing we do here is assign blame - whose fault was it?

17:40 <wdsmia> Itanium server just froze no logs nothing :(

17:40 <CoderForLife> this is not the first bad report I've heard about Itanium servers

17:40 <CoderForLife> Windows?

17:40 <Romulus> Somebody said Windows is not nearly as SHA1 computational friendly as Linux, CoderForLife

17:40 <wdsmia> no dumps ect  first time in 3 years

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17:41 <wdsmia> RH

17:41 <Rookie_69> Allright... let me double-check... is it friday yet?

17:41 <CoderForLife> hmm

17:41 <CoderForLife> I think I can help you out Rookie_69 - which way did you come in?

17:42 <wdsmia> *lo Kunukastanie

17:42 <Rookie_69> Through the servants' entrance, of course.

17:43 <Rookie_69> Hi Doug, Don, and whoever else wants to get hi'ed.

17:44 <efc> moo

17:44 <Rookie_69> Hi, Eddie.

17:44 <xcamel> 'lo Glenn

17:45 <Rookie_69> Hi, Jay.

17:46 <CoderForLife> KathrynM has completed her web site move  -  hooray

17:46 * Rookie_69 fears that he lost the knack of seasoning cast iron pans. :-(

17:47 <wdsmia> run out of bear greese?

17:47 <CoderForLife> Loonie juice

17:48 <Rookie_69> No, it just won't... not stick. I used to have a perfect one.

17:48 <CoderForLife> what happened?   or maybe we don't want to know...

17:49 <Rookie_69> Maybe I just gotta grease it up and throw it in the oven and leave for a couple of hours.

17:50 <xcamel> no beaver fat?

17:50 <Rookie_69> No, but plenty of fat beavers around...

17:50 <xcamel> how did I know...

17:50 <Rookie_69> ... did I say that out loud?

17:51 <CoderForLife> not that I heard

17:51 <xcamel> uh-huh

17:52 * CoderForLife grabs the next bill to pay

17:53 * Rookie_69 tried to change his nick to bill, but irc wouldn't let him. :-(

17:54 *** Rookie_69 is now known as next_bill

17:54 <next_bill> Better.

17:55 <CoderForLife> sorry - this one has to go towards the wall

17:55 *** next_bill is now known as Rookie_69

17:55 *** wdsmia is now known as wall

17:55 <Rookie_69> Lol.

17:55 *** wall is now known as wdsmia

17:56 <CoderForLife> heh

17:57 <CoderForLife> bbiaf

18:04 <efc> Hmm. I worked out that a 1/4" round steel rod should be able to support 178,000 pounds.

18:05 <Rookie_69> Only if it was a British cheque.

18:07 <efc> similarly i've worked out that LHC cannot produce dangerous black holes.

18:14 <meglaw> how

18:18 <CoderForLife> what does a non-dangerous black hole look like?

18:18 <CoderForLife> they all look alike to me

18:18 <meglaw> a verry long way away one

18:18 * CoderForLife is quite prejudiced against black holes

18:19 <CoderForLife> well - allergic actually

18:20 <meglaw> i´d say thay look point-like

18:20 <meglaw> typicly smaller then a plank length

18:23 * CoderForLife hasn'r had a use for a Planck length since college physics in about 1979

18:24 <Rookie_69> You had to use a plank in college? Must've been some big girls.

18:26 <CoderForLife> I was in engineering - girls was something we could observe outside the library window

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18:27 <Rookie_69> All you needed was a ladder... Ever watch Revenge of the Nerds?

18:28 <CoderForLife> I was a commuter - a ladder wouldn't work on top of my car

18:28 <Rookie_69> ... and a drill... and some cameras...

18:29 <Rookie_69> I don't want to hear about your political views.

18:29 <CoderForLife> we were nerdier - reprogramming the RJE workstation and the engineering building elevators

18:30 <CoderForLife> access the mainframe COBOL compiler with DISP=(OLD,DELETE)

18:30 <CoderForLife> great fun

18:32 * Rookie_69 recognizes the term COBOL from somewhere, but ignores the rest... ? extra ignored.

18:33 <CoderForLife> even more insidious, redefine your JOB stream with //SYSIN DD DLM=%& and let everyone's jobs they read in from the card reader get appended to your job as data

18:33 <CoderForLife> woot

18:34 *** novacrust is now known as HypnoBama

18:35 <CoderForLife> lol

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18:35 * CoderForLife wistfully remembers compiling his first FORTRAN IV program to run Above The Line

18:36 <CoderForLife> Computed GOTOs are da bomb

18:36 * Rookie_69 barely remembers BASIC.

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18:37 * CoderForLife looks at his cable bill

18:37 <CoderForLife> looks like it's got a bad case of Creepus Feeus

18:38 * Rookie_69 tries not to look at his cable bill.

18:38 <KathrynM> uh oh, CoderForLife saw my ugly 1997-esque website

18:38 * Rookie_69 tries not to think of his empty gas tank either.

18:38 <CoderForLife> I track important things like that, KathrynM

18:39 * Rookie_69 says Hi! to KathrynM.

18:39 <KathrynM> &bighello

18:39 <Romulus> Hello Celelibi, CoderForLife, ComradeHaz, Crewsr3, deprecated, DerMeister, desti, efc, ELGono, Eythan, FreeLarry58, frost__, Hodapp, HypnoBama, infinisoft, jasong, KathrynM, Lorvija, MacG_, meglaw, MTughan, MTughan_, mydog2, PieSpyRom, quail, redeeman, Romulus, Rookie_69, sigmund, sigmund_, siofwolves, Soul_keeper, Turf, up365, vlazar_, wdsmia, xcamel, XioNYC, and zombie67

18:39 <CoderForLife> hmm  that's big

18:39 <KathrynM> &smallhello

18:39 <Romulus> KathrynM: Are you daft?

18:39 <KathrynM> yes Romulus I am daft

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18:42 <Rookie_69> ... and proud of it.

18:44 <KathrynM> rommie says daft like it's a bad thing

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18:45 <Rookie_69> Tomayto, tomahto... Sanity, senility...

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18:45 <CoderForLife> attending ESL class, Rookie_69?

18:46 <Rookie_69> All good Americans should learn English...

18:47 <Rookie_69> I can usually understand Americanese too.

18:47 <Rookie_69> I can rarely understand English though.

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18:50 <Rookie_69> I threw me loot in me boot and then scoot... I put my stuff in my trunk and then left... or something like that.

18:54 <CoderForLife> turned on me beams and then me brights

18:54 <Rookie_69> I'm pretty sure Me old Cock is a term of endearment, not a used sex toy.

18:54 <CoderForLife> passed some lorries while eating some crisps

18:55 * CoderForLife watches the Family Filter move upscale

18:55 <Rookie_69> ... Cockney...

18:55 <CoderForLife> op-ney

18:57 <Rookie_69> OK... I was sitting in a beer tent a few years ago and we had to leave the tent to suck on a fag... We went out for a cigarette.\

18:59 * CoderForLife finishes writing the bills and glenns

18:59 <Rookie_69> ... and walls?

19:00 <CoderForLife> yeah - a $375 payment

19:00 <wdsmia> he will be writing the wall off for a long time

19:00 <CoderForLife> indeed - but the tax return will kill off one loan

19:00 <CoderForLife> actually a credit card balance

19:02 <XioNYC> &wx LGA

19:02 <CoderForLife> I don't see where the plumber came today to look at what seems to be water coming from the neighbor's yeard

19:02 <Romulus> XioNYC: Temperature: 34F / 1C | Humidity: 52% | Pressure: 29.85in / 1011hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Partly Cloudy | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy. A chance of snow showers this evening. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds around 15 mph with gusts up to 25 mph late. Chance of snow 30 percent.; Saturday - Partly sunny and brisk. Highs in the upper 20s. (1 more message)

19:02 <XioNYC> &more

19:02 <Romulus> XioNYC: Northwest winds 15 to 20 mph with gusts up to 30 mph.; Saturday Night - Mostly cloudy and brisk. Lows in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.;

19:03 <Rookie_69> I just had to throw some salt in the driveway... Anybody else got an ice problem? Lol.

19:03 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

19:03 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 28.2F / -2.1C | Humidity: 66% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Overcast | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Tonight - Mostly cloudy until early morning then becoming partly cloudy. Not as cold. Low in the lower 20s. South wind 5 to 15 mph.; Saturday - Sunny. Not as cold. High in the lower 40s. Southwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to (1 more message)

19:03 <wdsmia> &more

19:03 <Romulus> wdsmia: around 25 mph.; Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Low in the lower 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.;

19:04 <wdsmia> 40's :)

19:04 <Rookie_69> Summertime, here we come!

19:04 <CoderForLife> looks like I'm starting to finish up the last of the recent batch of LHC WUs

19:04 <Rookie_69> Oh... you mean farenheit.

19:05 <CoderForLife> try thinking American Rookie_69 - it'll help  =)

19:05 * wdsmia will start the last batch of LHC tomarrow afternoon

19:05 * Rookie_69 has at least one running.

19:06 <wdsmia> PG challenge ends 18:00 UTC

19:06 <CoderForLife> I'll unsuspend other hour in about 50 minutes

19:06 * CoderForLife dozes off

19:06 * Rookie_69 blames everyone else for not reminding him ablut Prime Grid challenge.

19:06 <Rookie_69> ... about...

19:07 <CoderForLife> it's a long way from 3:15am to the end of BSG at 11:00pm on Friday

19:07 <Rookie_69> Marathon?

19:07 <Rookie_69> Oh... just a long day.

19:07 <CoderForLife> pretty much both

19:08 <CoderForLife> although I managed to get in a pretty good run of Coding today

19:08 * Rookie_69 still has to look for every episode of BSG except the pilot.

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19:13 <CoderForLife> at last

19:13 <CoderForLife> hello BadBarbarian

19:13 <BadBarbarian> hi there

19:14 <BadBarbarian> you been lonly in here :-)

19:14 <CoderForLife> we keep Rookie_69 around for spice

19:14 <BadBarbarian> he he

19:14 <Rookie_69> Nobody here but us chickens.

19:15 <Rookie_69> I ain't no Spice Girl!

19:15 <wdsmia> maybe alittle over ripe

19:15 * CoderForLife nods

19:16 <BadBarbarian> trying to figure out wether its worth crunching with my 8600 gt

19:16 <Rookie_69> Old Spice maybe...

19:17 <CoderForLife> &acronym spice

19:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Are you daft?

19:17 <CoderForLife> I didn't think so

19:17 <BadBarbarian> hey what ever happened to TheGasGiant

19:17 <CoderForLife> &seen TheGasGiant

19:17 <Romulus> CoderForLife: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 14 weeks, 5 days, 13 hours, 24 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: * TheGasGiant sneaks in

19:17 <wdsmia> &cyborg spice

19:18 <Romulus> wdsmia: S.P.I.C.E.: Synthetic Positronic Individual Calibrated for Exploration

19:18 <Rookie_69> Nope...rig up the yawl and head north.

19:18 <CoderForLife> he got that new job, and decided he was going to spend more time with family

19:18 <Rookie_69> Bastard!

19:18 <CoderForLife> what are we?  potted plants?

19:19 <Rookie_69> &cyborg bastard

19:19 <Romulus> Rookie_69: B.A.S.T.A.R.D.: Biomechanical Artificial Soldier Trained for Accurate Repair and Destruction

19:19 <CoderForLife> I always chat him up real good, then make him promise to come back real soon

19:19 <Rookie_69> &invoke TheGasGiant

19:19 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Are you daft?

19:20 <Rookie_69> Well, yeah.

19:20 <BadBarbarian> &cyborg yousuck

19:20 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Y.O.U.S.U.C.K.: Ytterbium Operational Unit Skilled in Ultimate Calculation and Killing

19:20 * CoderForLife leans back and closes his eyes only.. for.. a........ mo...............

19:21 <BadBarbarian> &cyborg thegasgiant

19:21 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: Names can't have more than 10 letters. Please enter another name.

19:21 <Rookie_69> &cyborg paul

19:21 <Romulus> Rookie_69: P.A.U.L.: Positronic Artificial Utility Lifeform

19:22 <XioNYC> &cyborg ERROR

19:22 <Romulus> XioNYC: E.R.R.O.R.: Electronic Robotic Replicant Optimized for Repair

19:22 <XioNYC> How appropriate

19:22 <CoderForLife> &cyborg TGG

19:22 <Romulus> CoderForLife: T.G.G.: Technician Generated for Gratification

19:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CoderForLife

19:22 <Rookie_69> Tell that to his wife.

19:23 <CoderForLife> Rommie.......

19:23 <wdsmia> &roolette

19:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: Are you daft?

19:23 <wdsmia> &roulette

19:23 <Romulus> wdsmia: *click*

19:24 * CoderForLife points to the rules suspended from the cavern ceiling

19:24 <CoderForLife> that's ONE Rommie

19:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: -o CoderForLife

19:25 * Rookie_69 thought CFL was dozing off...

19:26 <CoderForLife> the Family Filter alarm woke me up

19:27 * CoderForLife finishes printing the final copy of his tax returns for filing

19:27 <CoderForLife> I feed them paper

19:27 * Rookie_69 would bite his tongue, but that would induce another filterable word.

19:28 <CoderForLife> part of my contribution to full employment, and economic stimulus by bloating the size of the federal government

19:30 <BadBarbarian> &roulette

19:30 <Romulus> BadBarbarian: *click*

19:31 <CoderForLife> the federal government must grow to take over all functions - think of the MCP in Tron

19:31 <Rookie_69> Take me to your Lizard!

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19:32 <Tank_Master> wtf????!!?!?!?!?!?!?

19:32 * wdsmia slaps Tank_Master around with a large Carp

19:33 * Tank_Master sends 7420 lampfishes after wdsmia

19:33 <Tank_Master> "software cause connection abort"

19:33 <wdsmia> Ooooo night lights

19:33 <Rookie_69> WTF... Write True Fiction???

19:33 <Tank_Master> and it reconnected, but didnt rejoin the channels

19:33 <Tank_Master> the

19:33 <Tank_Master> not true

19:36 <CoderForLife> in other important news, I renewed my library card today

19:36 <Rookie_69> You sure it's not an ID10T input error?

19:37 <CoderForLife> S0C4

19:37 <wdsmia> user installed software... software cause connection abort... Error ID 10 T

19:38 <Rookie_69> That's the one.

19:38 <CoderForLife>

19:38 <Romulus> <> (at

19:39 <CoderForLife> "you're outta bounds - go sit in the penalty box"

19:44 <CoderForLife> I need more caffeine - bbiab

19:44 <Rookie_69> You mean caffeine isn't just for breakfast anymore?

19:45 * Rookie_69 rethinks his morning ritual.

19:46 * Rookie_69 remembers coffee liqueur...

19:47 * Rookie_69 shudders

19:47 * Rookie_69 sips on his beer instead.

19:48 * Rookie_69 notices that it's not opened yet.

19:48 * wdsmia aint worth a sh** in the morning till he drinks his cigs and smokes his coffee

19:48 <Rookie_69> Dry beer.

19:49 * Rookie_69 wonders if smoking coffee would work better than steaming it...

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20:01 <XioNYC> Define "work better"

20:03 <Rookie_69> Buzz buzz buzz...

20:04 * CoderForLife snaps awake at the sound of the alarm clock

20:04 * wdsmia slaps Rookie_69 with a fly swatter

20:04 <Rookie_69> Wake me up in the morning...

20:04 * XioNYC hits the alarm clock with a sledgehammer

20:04 <CoderForLife> we'll take that request under consideration Rookie_69

20:05 * Rookie_69 turns off calendar and buries box and cell phone in snowbank.

20:05 <Rookie_69> Wake up the pigeons!

20:06 <Rookie_69> Tomorrow is Not Work Day... Buzz off.

20:14 <Rookie_69> Oh wait... The boat still calls me... Maybe tomorrow will be a work day after all...

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20:20 <jasong> &cyborg jasong

20:20 <Romulus> jasong: J.A.S.O.N.G.: Journeying Artificial Soldier Optimized for Nocturnal Gratification

20:20 <jasong> huh?

20:20 <jasong> lol

20:20 <wdsmia> &roulette

20:20 <Romulus> wdsmia: *click*

20:23 <jasong> Is there an Idiot's Guide to adding hard drives to a Linux installation?

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20:24 <jasong> My OS is fubar, so I'm going to back up my home directory and start from scratch

20:24 <jasong> (I screwed it up BAD)

20:26 <CoderForLife> sounds like it

20:30 <CoderForLife> BSG may be out of reach for me tonight

20:30 <CoderForLife> I'm dropping off - gn folks

20:31 <wdsmia> &nn

20:31 <Romulus> Live long and crunch!

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20:38 * Rookie_69 would have said NN to CFL if he had noticed him leaving...

20:39 * Rookie_69 doesn't seem to be very observant.

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21:01 <zombie67> MT?

21:01 <Romulus> Somebody said MT is right, zombie67

21:01 <zombie67>

21:01 <Romulus> <> (at

21:14 <MTughan> Hmm, that's odd.

21:15 <MTughan> It is possible to make code for PPC G5 and not G4, but you have to be explicit about that.

21:19 <zombie67> yeah

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22:01 <Rookie_69> L8er... I'm outta here.

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22:23 <Soul_keeper> okok

22:33 <Soul_keeper>

22:33 <Romulus> <> (at

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22:33 <Soul_keeper> geeze  they are talking about 8-pin connectors for video cards now

22:35 <efc> They could just make the existing pins bigger

22:36 <Soul_keeper> well the pcie slots supplies 75 watts, each six pin connector supplies 75 watts, the new 6 pin connector will supply 150 watts

22:36 <Soul_keeper> so apparently we can expect   75 + 75 + 150 = 300 watt cards (which are the estimates for intel's larrabee)

22:40 <Hodapp> my video card prolly uses about 50% of the power in my whole system o_O

22:41 <Soul_keeper> a computer within a computer

22:43 <Hodapp> basically

22:44 <Soul_keeper> i hope my monitor don't fail, it's been flickering lately ...

22:46 <MTughan> Soul_keeper: Some video cards already use an 8-pin connector.

22:46 <Soul_keeper> ohhh, i thought they were just using two 6-pin ones

22:46 <MTughan> 9800GX2, GTX280, GTX295, HD4850X2, HD4870X2.

22:46 <MTughan> Those use a 6-pin and an 8-pin.

22:48 <MTughan> No card that I know of uses two 8-pins yet.

22:48 <Hodapp> mine just has a 6-pin; my PSU had no connectors so I used the adapter and connected it to two +12V/+5V connectors

22:49 <MTughan> There's a couple cards now that use two 6-pins. My HD4870 is one of them, I believe the 9800GTX uses those as well.

22:50 <MTughan> My PSU has two 6'ers and two 6+2 connectors.

22:51 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's cool

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23:22 <zombie67> when are xeon nehalim chips due?

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