IRC logs of #boinc for Saturday, 2009-01-31

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00:04 <MTughan> zombie67: I believe it's been rumored that Intel is releasing 8-core chips based on Nehalem in a couple weeks. Those would probably be of the Xeon variety.

00:05 <MTughan> &wx YOW

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00:05 <MTughan> KathrynM: I envy your temperatures...

00:10 <Soul_keeper> zombie67, those things will probably set you back 1000 bucks a peice

00:12 <MTughan> But Apple will use them for their Mac Pros.

00:15 <Soul_keeper> that'll set you back

00:15 <MTughan> He has a quad-core dual processor Mac Pro. I don't think he minds much.

00:16 <MTughan> AKA, an 8-core Mac.

00:16 <Soul_keeper> k

00:20 <KathrynM> MTughan, I certainly don't envy yours.

00:20 <MTughan> And I don't blame you for that.

00:22 <efc> at last, kara thrace does something I like

01:01 <efc> bleh, hate cliffhangers

01:02 <zombie67> back

01:03 <zombie67> MT, that 8-core chip is maybe 2nd gen

01:03 <MTughan> 2nd gen to what?

01:03 <zombie67> there will be a quad core xeon (8 thread) first, i am sure

01:04 <zombie67> based on the current quad core nehalem for desktops

01:04 <zombie67> the xeons are usually the same chip, with some extra sauce to allow them to work in tandem with a second chip.  Plus a different socket

01:05 <zombie67> if/when there is an 8 core (16 thread), it won't be for quite some time.

01:05 <zombie67> watching Max Pan

01:06 <MTughan> Hold on, seeing if I can find my information again...

01:09 <MTughan> A session description at ISSCC is "A 45nm 8-Core Enterprise Xeon Processor". I can't find the original page, this is a different one.

01:09 <MTughan> It was based off that title though.

01:12 <zombie67> it may happen...but it was way off...if ever, maybe 2010 or more

01:12 <zombie67> intel will not allow that long without a nehalem xeon

01:12 <MTughan> According to Wikipedia, the 8-cores will be Q3-Q4 2009.

01:13 <zombie67> don't believe it

01:13 <MTughan> However, the DP server variants are slated for Q1 2009.

01:13 <zombie67> if they had an 8-core, it would already be out in single chip form'

01:15 <zombie67> te way roll out works is, single chip first, then Xeon version later

01:16 <MTughan> http://legacy.macnn.com/articles/08/11/13/xeon.i7.in.early.2009/

01:16 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bxtazx> (at legacy.macnn.com)

01:17 <zombie67> yep, like I said, quad core

01:17 <MTughan> Yeah, so either I misread the article or it was wrong. They have the Xeon equivalents of the Core i7 procs coming first.

01:17 <MTughan> Which makes sense.

01:18 <zombie67> that article you showed me earlier today was about 8-core

01:18 <zombie67> but that was a "concept"

01:26 <zombie67> if an 8-core i7 does make it to production, i am sure THAT will debut as a xeon.

01:27 <MTughan> For sure. From what I can tell, it'll only be in an MP version, which automatically makes it a Xeon.

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01:35 <zombie67> MT

01:35 <zombie67> I need help translating

01:35 <MTughan> I only speak English.

01:35 <zombie67> you speak boinc

01:36 <MTughan> Somewhat.

01:37 <zombie67> okay, sent you email

01:37 <zombie67> is he saying "yes"?

01:38 <MTughan> No idea, the email hasn't gotten here yet.

01:39 <zombie67> ?  check again

01:39 <MTughan> Nope.

01:40 <zombie67> America's Hat has slow internet

01:41 <zombie67> okay, so he asked me to try out that app, right?

01:41 <MTughan> John asked you to try out the LLR app?

01:41 <zombie67> I asked if he planned on bringing it to BOINC if it worked.  he replied

01:42 <zombie67> The PRPNet client is something not intended for BOINC. It allows us to do prime testing outside of BOINC which expands our opportunities to search for primes.

01:42 <zombie67> However, the Mac LLR app that PRPNet client uses is something we'd very much like to bring to BOINC. Being able to do that would allow Mac's to participate in all of PrimeGrid's LLR projects. We are also looking at adding a Mac app to the sieves as well.

01:42 <zombie67> Phrot, the other app used in the PRPNet client, is also something we'd like to eventually bring to BOINC. The development takes time...which we all seem to have very little of these days.

01:42 <zombie67> so is that a yes?

01:43 <MTughan> All right, I think I understand. Although it doesn't really have much to do with BOINC.

01:43 <MTughan> Seems that there's a client that they're testing called PRPNet. Underneath, it uses an LLR app.

01:43 <zombie67> yes

01:43 <MTughan> While they're not interested in porting the PRPNet client to BOINC, they will use the LLR app for BOINC, just as they do for Windows and Linux.

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01:44 <MTughan> Same thing goes for Phrot, although I don't know what that is.

01:44 <zombie67> of course

01:44 <zombie67> THAT is what I was asking....

01:44 <zombie67> but his answer baffles me

01:45 <zombie67> "Being able to do that would allow Mac's to participate in all of PrimeGrid's LLR projects."

01:45 <zombie67> so I just proved it works for both tiger and leopard

01:46 <zombie67> I hope that means they will now release Mac apps for all their LLR projects!

01:48 <zombie67> SETI Beta finally got their cuda app to a point it runs on my XP64 machine!

01:48 <zombie67> I smell another 1M project!

01:50 <MTughan> There's the email...

01:50 <zombie67> http://stats5.free-dc.org/mosttag.php?cpid=0a7b8378436fdcaef549d87e35f26480

01:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/chml7l> (at stats5.free-dc.org)

01:51 <zombie67> look at all those #1s!  ;)

01:51 <MTughan> You also have a lot of computing power.

01:51 <zombie67> not as much as you might think

01:52 <zombie67> I am barely in the top 100.

01:52 <zombie67> 100th to be exact...

01:52 <zombie67> yet look at all those #1s!

01:52 <MTughan> Yes, and I barely cracked 1500 with my quad.

01:53 <MTughan> 1500th in RAC, that is.

01:53 <zombie67> by RAC, I am 193rd

01:53 <zombie67> yet look at all those #1s...

01:54 <MTughan> You're getting to be as bad as Doug...

01:54 <zombie67> even kevint and poorboy (WAY bigger crunchers) are trailing

01:54 <zombie67> which doug?

01:54 <MTughan> wdsmia.

01:54 <zombie67> hah!

01:55 <zombie67> http://stats5.free-dc.org/mosttag.php?cpid=c0f16ac6eb30094fb940891c66b2d376

01:55 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/arp9o5> (at stats5.free-dc.org)

01:55 <MTughan> No, not in stats. I meant in crowing about his BOINC totals and flaunting them off to everyone. :P

01:56 <zombie67> ah, we all need something to crow about

01:57 <zombie67> my particular crow, is the number of Xk projects.  I can't win in total production, but I am beating the pants off EVERYONE for that!

01:57 <Soul_keeper> zombie67, is that seti beta gpu for the astropulse or the seti enhanced ?

01:57 <Soul_keeper> or both ?

01:58 <zombie67> just enhanced

01:59 <zombie67> credits are better at GPUGRID, but I already have 2M there.

01:59 <zombie67> :)

01:59 <Soul_keeper> lol

01:59 <zombie67> of course, I also got 1M there on my PS3

02:00 <zombie67> F@H is also a good use for a cuda GPU

02:00 <Soul_keeper> but you have to use yoyo for that right ?

02:01 <zombie67> nono

02:01 <zombie67> F@H is non-BOINC

02:01 <Soul_keeper> well if you want it to count toward boinc credits

02:01 <zombie67> no

02:01 <zombie67> F@H is not on yoyo

02:01 <Soul_keeper> yeah i like to keep all my stuff in boinc

02:01 <Soul_keeper> i know

02:02 <zombie67> yoyo will allow you to use your PS3 for thing like OGR

02:02 <Soul_keeper> distributed.net also has a cuda app, but no boinc

02:02 <zombie67> that's mostly how I got my 1M there too

02:03 <Soul_keeper> as far as i'm concerned if something doesn't have boinc support i'm mostly wasting my time

02:03 <zombie67> I don't think yoyo has wrapped the cuda app for distributed.net yet

02:03 <Soul_keeper> plenty of good boinc native stuff

02:03 <zombie67> yeah

02:03 <Soul_keeper> i'm getting close to my first 1M with wcg tho :)

02:04 <zombie67> but I put 1.5M credits into F@H before inbetween SETI@home classic and BOINC

02:04 <Soul_keeper> ahh

02:04 <zombie67> WCG was my 2nd M after Rosetta!  I like that project

02:04 <Soul_keeper> f@h doesn't have ati crunching for linux huh ?

02:04 <zombie67> don't know

02:04 <Soul_keeper> last i read it was only for windows

02:05 <zombie67> I like how WCG added badges for sub-projects

02:05 <Soul_keeper> yeah wcg is great, even if it doesn't give as much points as some other projects

02:05 <zombie67> brought me back to make gold in all the live projects

02:05 <zombie67> only have Beta left

02:05 <Soul_keeper> i just check all, and let it send me whatever

02:05 <zombie67> Just got 4 beta tasks today

02:05 <Soul_keeper> most are gold tho

02:06 <zombie67> uncheck the golds, to force tasks to the non-gold projects.

02:06 <zombie67> once there, then recheck all

02:06 <Soul_keeper> ahhh

02:07 <zombie67> otherwise, WCG prioritizes the sub-projects

02:07 <zombie67> and you may never make gold before they finish

02:08 <zombie67> also uncheck "allow sending of other projects"

02:08 <Soul_keeper> well i unchecked that damn rice thing ...

02:08 <Soul_keeper> don't much care for wasting cpu cycles on rice

02:08 <zombie67> otherwise your queue will get filled up with un-needed projects

02:08 <zombie67> working on CPDN now

02:09 <zombie67> "spread the love"

02:10 <Soul_keeper> :)

02:13 <Soul_keeper> AfricanClimate@Home   project is done huh ?

02:14 <Soul_keeper> Help Defeat Cancer  was replaced by  Help Conquer Cancer    if i'm not mistaken

02:14 <Soul_keeper> so basically i got gold in every project except those two, beta testing, and clean energy project (don't think they have a linux client)

02:15 <zombie67> comleted projects:

02:15 <zombie67> Genome Comparison

02:15 <zombie67> Help Defeat Cancer

02:15 <zombie67> Human Proteome Folding

02:15 <zombie67> inactive (they may come back):

02:15 <zombie67> AfricanClimate@Home

02:15 <zombie67> Help Cure Muscular Dystrophy

02:16 <zombie67> SK, CEP is running a beta on linux and mac now

02:16 <zombie67> so select CEP and BETA only

02:16 <zombie67> (assuming you have other pojects to keep your machine active)

02:17 <zombie67> that way you get the best chance for both beta and CEP

02:17 <Soul_keeper> k

02:17 <Soul_keeper> takes 1K to make gold ?

02:18 <zombie67> these are my badges:  http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/forums/wcg/viewthread?thread=24261#

02:18 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/aocjnc> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

02:19 <zombie67> way more than 1k to make gold.  see here:  http://www.worldcommunitygrid.org/help/viewTopic.do?shortName=web#331

02:19 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/b8gugj> (at www.worldcommunitygrid.org)

02:19 <zombie67> to see my badges, you will have to scroll until you see my superman image

02:27 <Soul_keeper> lol

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02:29 <MTughan> Gah... It's 2:30AM. Do people not realize that others may be sleeping? That's why they're banging loudly on a door... >_>

02:29 <zombie67> ah...school life

02:29 <Soul_keeper> zombie67, i added to the end of the thread so you can see my badges

02:30 <zombie67> nice!

02:31 * efc bangs on door

02:31 <zombie67> what is your boinc userid?

02:32 <MTughan> Soul_keeper is sterling.

02:32 <Soul_keeper> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=792353

02:32 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5mf76t> (at boincstats.com)

02:32 <zombie67> thanks, cuz there is a soul_keeper in boincstats

02:33 <Soul_keeper> that's probably me too, some of my projects use that

02:33 <zombie67> fix your split cpid!

02:35 <zombie67> rosetta is the only project split.

02:35 <zombie67> go there, fix your email and password

02:35 <zombie67> then attach a common machine

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02:37 <Soul_keeper> that must not be me then

02:37 <Soul_keeper> i never did rosetta

02:37 <zombie67> http://boincstats.com/search/all_projects.php?cpid=b7bca97175c5ce2c19a22a2484c1794a

02:37 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/ccl5uk> (at boincstats.com)

02:38 <Soul_keeper> yeah that's somebody else

02:38 <zombie67> you're not in sweden?

02:38 <Soul_keeper> nope

02:38 <zombie67> so why were you up at 3AM PST?

02:38 <Soul_keeper> because i'm a freak

02:38 <zombie67> and still up now (11:30 PM PST)?

02:38 <Soul_keeper> i stayed up all night last night

02:38 <Soul_keeper> i took a midday nap :)

02:38 <zombie67> hehe

02:39 <Soul_keeper> then did some work, now i'm back home

02:39 <zombie67> I couldn't sleep, and am still up

02:39 <zombie67> sleep in an hour or two

02:39 <Soul_keeper> hopefully the same here

02:39 <MTughan> You could ask the same question of me...

02:40 <zombie67> MT, you are in school....no explination needed.  :)

02:40 <MTughan> Heh.

02:40 <MTughan> I'm almost falling asleep on my keyboard. I'm going to bed in a couple minutes more than likely.

02:40 <MTughan> My typing has also slowed by about 30-35%.

02:41 <zombie67> thank god you put a % around that!

02:42 <MTughan> I may be tired, but I haven't stopped thinking. Yet.

02:44 <MTughan> Gah... Trying to download a DVD image, I can't get any seeds on BitTorrent to go over 1KB/s.

02:44 <MTughan> &google calc 6.6GB / 1KB/s

02:44 <Romulus> MTughan: (6.6 GB) / (1 (KB / s)) = 80.0995556 days

02:44 <MTughan> F***ing ow...

02:45 <zombie67> BT is mostly useless

02:45 <zombie67> too many ISPs filter

02:45 <MTughan> When you get the right file, it works nicely.

02:45 <zombie67> if your ISP and all their ISPs play nice

02:46 <MTughan> My ISP has no filtering that I've noticed.

02:46 <zombie67> but their sending ISPs might

02:47 <zombie67> not that they block, but rather drop priority

02:47 <MTughan> We also have a "mostly" wide open pipe. 9500Kbps down, 5800Kbps up tonight, I've seen up as high as 8000Kbps.

02:47 <zombie67> nice

02:48 <MTughan> We're not limited by the Internet speed here as much as the physical cabling speed. They only ran 10Mbit Ethernet for us.

02:48 <MTughan> Hey, I reached 3KB/s download for a couple seconds there! :D

02:52 <zombie67> 10mb?

02:53 <zombie67> not 10gb?

02:53 <MTughan> 10Mbit. You heard me right. The standard below 100Mbit.

02:53 <zombie67> wait....they CABLE a dorm?

02:54 <zombie67> how stupid is that?

02:54 <MTughan> Instead of wireless? I don't know. Most of the rest of the campus has wireless.

02:54 <MTughan> My desktop doesn't have wireless though, it needs wired.

02:54 <zombie67> cable is WAY more expensive

02:55 <zombie67> the only reason is if you need speeds greater than wifi will handle

02:55 <Soul_keeper> zombie67, did you do a cuda seti beta task in linux ?

02:55 <MTughan> I wouldn't be surprised if this dorm is older than many wireless standards though.

02:55 <zombie67> SK, nope, XP64

02:55 <MTughan> And it's also made of concrete.

02:55 <zombie67> ah

02:55 <Soul_keeper> appears they are still sending me 6.03

02:55 <zombie67> all good dorms are made of cinderblock or cement.....like a prison

02:55 <zombie67> 6.03?

02:55 <Soul_keeper> ALL the 6.03 seti beta linux wu's result in computational error

02:56 <Soul_keeper> for 64-bit that is

02:56 <Soul_keeper> 32-bit ones work

02:56 <zombie67> SK, for linux cuda?  or linux CPU?

02:56 <Soul_keeper> for the cpu

02:56 <zombie67> oh

02:56 <Soul_keeper> i havn't received any cuda ones

02:56 <zombie67> can't speak to that

02:57 <zombie67> according to this, the only cuda app is for windoes:  http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/apps.php

02:57 <Romulus> Title: Applications (at setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu)

02:57 <Soul_keeper> i just changed the settings to only take gpu ones but it still sent me the cpu ones

02:57 <Soul_keeper> guess they aren't ready yet

02:58 <zombie67> yep

02:59 <Soul_keeper> i like gpugrid tho

02:59 <Soul_keeper> i figure seti will get it's act together before i hit 1M on seti :)

03:00 <Soul_keeper> i figure seti will get it's act together before i hit 1M on gpugrid*

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03:02 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

03:02 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 9.6F / -12.4C | Humidity: 81% | Pressure: 30.09in / 1018.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Overnight - Mostly clear. Lows 0 to 5 above. West winds around 5 mph...becoming light and variable.; Saturday - Partly sunny. Highs around 30. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill as low as 5 below in the morning.; (1 more message)

03:03 <CoderForLife> &more

03:03 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Saturday Night - Partly cloudy. Near steady temperatures around 30. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

03:05 <efc> moo

03:05 <CoderForLife> moo

03:05 <zombie67> oom

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03:10 <MTughan> Well, I'm going to go throw myself on my bed before I use my keyboard as a pillow... Night.

03:10 <CoderForLife> nn

03:21 <zombie67> gn

03:22 <CoderForLife> &social

03:22 <Romulus> http://lledgerock.com/boinc_logs/boinc-current.png

03:23 <CoderForLife> web server still down it seems

03:24 <CoderForLife> brb  breakfast

03:31 <CoderForLife> b

03:39 <CoderForLife> plink 114.31.58.106

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04:00 <CoderForLife> bbiab

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05:48 <ELGono> http://www.storefrontbacktalk.com/securityfraud/heartland-sniffer-hid-in-unallocated-portion-of-disk/

05:48 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/aemdva> (at www.storefrontbacktalk.com)

06:04 <CoderForLife> to the store -bbl

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08:09 <xcamel> 'lo

08:21 <xcamel> &wx 12074

08:21 <Romulus> xcamel: Temperature: 12.7F / -10.7C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 29.94in / 1013.8hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Partly sunny. Isolated flurries this morning. Highs in the lower 20s. West winds 15 to 20 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy in the evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Lows around 13. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph with (1 more message)

08:21 <xcamel> &more

08:21 <Romulus> xcamel: gusts up to 20 mph...becoming south after midnight.; Sunday - Mostly cloudy. Not as cool with highs in the mid 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.;

08:32 <CoderForLife> brr

08:33 <CoderForLife> back

08:33 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

08:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 8.4F / -13.1C | Humidity: 82% | Pressure: 30.12in / 1019.9hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Today - Mostly sunny. Highs in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph. Wind chill as low as 5 below this morning.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Near steady temperatures in the lower 30s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday (1 more message)

08:33 <CoderForLife> more like 4

08:33 <CoderForLife> &more

08:33 <Romulus> CoderForLife: - Partly sunny. A slight chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

08:33 <xcamel> looks like a warm up - then another big storm

08:34 <CoderForLife> partly sunny?  sunshine is getting refracted by all the ice

08:34 <CoderForLife> people were talking about Tuesday for us

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08:35 <CoderForLife> bad/storm that is

08:36 <xcamel> the models are all over the place as far as the track, but it's gonna be big for somebody..

08:37 <xcamel> ..waits while burning another fc8 dvd...

08:38 <xcamel> the ultimate weather wall - models - http://www.meteo.psu.edu/~gadomski/ewall.html

08:38 <Romulus> Title: e-WALL : PSU ELECTRONIC MAP WALL (at www.meteo.psu.edu)

08:38 <CoderForLife> thx - I was looking for the models link

08:41 <CoderForLife> gee - I guess I'm NE

08:41 <xcamel> college of DuPage has a good one too.

08:45 <xcamel> http://weather.cod.edu/

08:52 <CoderForLife> bbiab

08:56 <meglaw> morrn

09:02 <xcamel> 'lo meg

09:05 <xcamel> poor kyzyl.. now one of the drives has simply died.

09:05 <xcamel> sata so old it won't see a modern sataII drive...

09:10 <xcamel> el crappo grande

09:14 <meglaw> ;(

09:14 <meglaw> im getting a new drive soon

09:17 <xcamel> I have a 300 wd sitting right here, and it can't see it.

09:21 <xcamel> hmm.. local nws meto guy is predicting 'blizzard conditions' on tuesday...

09:24 <xcamel> luckily, I have a couple spare quantum fireball 36gb deives here.

09:24 * xcamel remembers when '500mb' was "huge"

09:25 <xcamel> &monologue

09:25 <Romulus> xcamel: Your current monologue is at least 5 lines long.

09:25 <xcamel> &very_quiet

09:25 <Romulus> hmmm... I think the internet crashed.

09:26 <meglaw> i remember my first disk i payed one unit of currency per megabyte

09:26 <meglaw> now i can pay the same unit per gigabyte

09:29 <xcamel> pretty close

09:29 <CoderForLife> back

09:29 <CoderForLife> the chilly birdies have been resupplied

09:30 <xcamel> and all that..

09:30 <xcamel> hows things in lovely sweeded meg?

09:31 * xcamel noted braindead fingers..

09:31 <xcamel> hows things in lovely Sweden meg?

09:33 <meglaw> cold, about to get dark.

09:33 <meglaw> unemploments skyrocketing

09:35 <meglaw> time for bsg!

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13:40 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

13:40 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 47.3F / 8.5C | Humidity: 54% | Pressure: 29.61in / 1002.6hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 5.0mph / 8.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Sunny. Not as cool. High in the upper 40s. Southwest wind around 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Sunday - (1 more message)

13:40 <wdsmia> &more

13:40 <Romulus> wdsmia: Partly sunny. Colder. High in the mid 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph.;

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13:50 <CoderForLife> &wx 45140

13:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Temperature: 28.9F / -1.7C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 30.04in / 1017.2hPa (Falling) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: East | Wind Speed: 0.0mph / 0.0km/h ; Rest of Today - Partly sunny. Highs in the upper 20s. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Early lows in the upper 20s. Temperatures rising into the lower 30s late. Southwest winds 10 to 15 mph.; Sunday - (1 more message)

13:50 <CoderForLife> &more

13:50 <Romulus> CoderForLife: Partly sunny. A slight chance of rain showers in the afternoon. Highs in the lower 40s. Southwest winds 5 to 10 mph. Chance of rain 20 percent.;

13:50 <CoderForLife> how much would I have to pay you to take back this cold stuff, wdsmia?

13:51 <wdsmia> more than your wall cost

13:51 <CoderForLife> hmm

13:52 <CoderForLife> exceeds my budget - as if "wall" and "budget" belong together

13:52 <CoderForLife> d/l complete of last night's BSG - away to watch it

14:04 <Tank_Master> hf!

14:15 <yoyo[RKN]> &wx sxf

14:15 <Romulus> yoyo[RKN]: Temperature: 32°F / 0°C | Humidity: 87% | Pressure: 30.15in / 1021hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NNE | Wind Speed: 6mph / 9km/h | Updated: 7:50 PM CET; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:26 F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:31 F.; Chance of Snow. High:33 F.; Chance of Snow. Low:30 F.;

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14:59 <Rookie_69> I don't know whether I should stop in here or go for a nap first.

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15:18 <CoderForLife> back

15:18 <CoderForLife> that BSG ep was good

15:18 <Rookie_69> Don!

15:18 <CoderForLife> Glenn!

15:18 <CoderForLife> What?

15:19 <Rookie_69> I dunno... I guess I just got excited.

15:19 <CoderForLife> I'd say =)

15:19 <Rookie_69> Somebody actually talked.

15:19 * CoderForLife listens carefully

15:20 <wdsmia> Boo

15:20 <CoderForLife> Who!

15:20 <CoderForLife> watched BSG

15:21 <Rookie_69> Big Sexy Girls?

15:21 <CoderForLife> I couldn't stay awake until 11:00pm after getting up at 3:00am yesterday

15:21 * Rookie_69 notes that his mind is always in the gutter.

15:21 <wdsmia> more soap opera than Si-Fi

15:21 * CoderForLife pushes the acknowledge button on the Family Filter alarm

15:23 <xcamel> re0hi

15:23 <CoderForLife> re1hi

15:24 <wdsmia> re2hi

15:24 <xcamel> lol

15:24 <Rookie_69> re3hi

15:24 <Rookie_69> ... how many Stooges was there?

15:25 <xcamel> 6 total

15:25 <Rookie_69> We need two more then.

15:25 <xcamel> larry, moe , curly, shemp, joe, joe derita

15:26 <CoderForLife> sounds like Jay's had to w@#% with all of them

15:27 <Rookie_69> Hmm... five of the three stooges sound familiar.

15:29 <CoderForLife> or maybe it was vote against them

15:30 <CoderForLife> at any rate, he knows them well

15:30 <Rookie_69> That sounds more likely.

15:31 * Rookie_69 wonders how many million he will win tonight... .000,002?

15:32 * CoderForLife cracks open his old BOINC project Code

15:32 * Rookie_69 runs and hides.

15:34 <CoderForLife> still compiles clean on Visual Studio 2008

15:35 <xcamel> 5 hrs worth of outside work, and still didn't feed the little birdies..

15:36 * Rookie_69 decides that a nap was the better choice and wanders off.

15:36 <CoderForLife> I fed the birdies, and did 0 outside work

15:36 <CoderForLife> the apparent water leak is frozen solid

15:36 <xcamel> had to snowblow from the haystack to the feed station - 500 yards worth..

15:37 <CoderForLife> I managed to walk out to the mailbox and back without a side trip to the hospital

15:39 <CoderForLife> I noted that steel toe boots can substitute for ice skates if needed

15:40 <xcamel> took that fall/bash yesterday - shoulder and hip still hurts

15:41 <CoderForLife> ouch

15:41 <CoderForLife> I don't bounce like a used to

15:42 <xcamel> how well I know

15:43 <xcamel> wrestling with the pto shaft to put in 2 new shear bolts wasn't all that much fun either..

15:43 <CoderForLife> I'm looking up Newton's gravitational constant - I'm thinking it gets revised upwards at around age 50

15:44 <CoderForLife> the older you are, the harder the smack

15:44 <xcamel> plus er minus a year or two

15:44 <CoderForLife> I made allowances for the current audience

15:45 <CoderForLife> I'm guessing those shear bolts didn;t make the same concession

15:47 <xcamel> never do, and always let go when you least want them to

15:47 <CoderForLife> I've been reading: Michael Steele seems credible

15:47 <xcamel> he'll be good for the party

15:48 <xcamel> but until they clean house and boot the rinos.. I'm not holding my breath

15:48 <CoderForLife> very true

15:48 * CoderForLife offers up Voinovich

15:49 <CoderForLife> I was just on Boehner's web site

15:49 <xcamel> did you see the bile spewed by Paul Bagala?

15:50 <CoderForLife> no

15:50 <CoderForLife> do I have to?  =)

15:50 <xcamel> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/01/31/begala-leader-gop-corpulent-drug-addict-rush-limbaugh

15:50 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bfue2s> (at newsbusters.org)

15:51 <CoderForLife> Begala must be off his medication again

15:55 <CoderForLife> well - the best part of that interview was the Ann Coulter ad at the bottom

15:57 <xcamel> indeed

15:58 <CoderForLife> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28947310/

15:58 <Romulus> Title: Obama's half-brother held on drugs charge - White House- msnbc.com (at www.msnbc.msn.com)

16:00 <xcamel> one-joint-joe...

16:03 <xcamel> Illinois state Capitol in 1860:

16:03 <xcamel> http://www.nypost.com/seven/01312009/news/politics/long_lost_abe_152870.htm

16:03 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cjvv7w> (at www.nypost.com)

16:03 <xcamel> heckuva find..

16:03 <CoderForLife> wow

16:03 <CoderForLife> yeah

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16:47 <xcamel> damn... I'm tired..

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16:54 <xcamel> installing x86_64 on kyzyl

16:54 <xcamel> probably going to regret it..

17:07 <CoderForLife> heh

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17:36 <efc> moo

17:37 <efc> &wx 30625

17:37 <Romulus> efc: Temperature: 54F / 12C | Humidity: 35% | Pressure: 30.18in / 1022hPa (Steady) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: North | Wind Speed: 0mph / 0km/h ; Tonight - Clear. Lows in the lower 30s. Light and variable winds.; Sunday - Sunny. Highs in the lower 60s. Southwest winds 5 to 15 mph.; Sunday Night - Mostly cloudy. Lows in the upper 30s. Light and variable winds.;

17:37 <efc> Got back from the run

17:37 <Rookie_69> Running in that cold? Brr.

17:38 <Rookie_69> &wx yaw

17:38 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Temperature: 32.5°F / 0.3°C | Humidity: 95% | Pressure: 29.59in / 1001.9hPa | Conditions: Light Snow Showers | Wind Direction: ESE | Wind Speed: 6.9mph / 11.1km/h | Updated: 6:38 PM AST; Tonight - Cloudy. Periods of snow beginning early this evening and ending near midnight. Clearing overnight. Amount 5 cm(2.0 in). Wind south 20 km/h (12 mph) becoming northwest 20 km/h (12 mph) this (1 more message)

17:38 <efc> Any colder and would have hurt my lungs too much

17:38 <Rookie_69> &more

17:38 <Romulus> Rookie_69: evening. Low -9C(15F).; Sunday - Sunny with cloudy periods. Wind west 20 km/h (12 mph). High -3C(26F). Sunday night increasing cloudiness. 60 percent chance of flurries. Low -4C(24F).; Monday - A mix of sun and cloud. High 5C(41F).;

17:39 <Rookie_69> Apparently, it's raining snow here.

17:40 * Rookie_69 looks out the window.

17:40 <Rookie_69> Looks more like it's snowing snow here.

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17:41 <efc> We might get a touch Monday

17:42 <efc> In other news my car quit

17:42 <efc> I'm not too worried yet though

17:42 <Rookie_69> Hire a new one. ;-)

17:43 <efc> nothing happens when I hit the starter.. think a relay or somethign went out

17:44 <Rookie_69> I'm surprised mine hasn't yet... The gas guage is hovering around W.

17:45 <efc> Your gas gauge has a "W" ?

17:46 <Rookie_69> They all do, but some just don't show it.

17:46 <Rookie_69> W=walk.

17:46 <efc> Oh..

17:46 <efc> My car as a log-scale gas tank

17:47 <Rookie_69> Wood-burning car???

17:48 <Rookie_69> Full is full, 2/4 is low, 1/2 is almost empty, and E is walk?

17:48 <Rookie_69>                                   3/4...

17:48 <Rookie_69> Too far.

17:49 <Rookie_69> Full is full, 3/4 is low, 1/2 is almost empty, and E is walk?

17:50 <efc> more like... half full is full, full is 1/2, 1/2 is 1/4, 1/4 is fumes

17:50 <efc> err half past full

17:50 <efc> it fills way past F

17:50 <efc> so 1/2 of F is much less than 1/2

17:51 <Rookie_69> )n a cold day, mine won't even reach the full mark. Pump shuts off at 7/8.

17:51 <Rookie_69> On...

17:51 <Rookie_69> Then it fills up the rest of the way as I drive.

17:53 <Rookie_69> At least I don't have to take out a loan to fill my tank lately... I just don't eat for a week.

17:54 <xcamel> skinny/better fuel mileage?

17:56 <Rookie_69> At $100 a bbl, gas here was about $1.40 a litre. At $30-$40 it's about $.85 a litre. Go figure. The lizards must be getting fat.

17:56 <xcamel> oh brother..

17:56 <xcamel> http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/150832/14-times-Olympic-gold-medal-winner-Michael-Phelps-caught-with-bong-cannabis-pipe.html

17:56 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/cdkcnk> (at www.newsoftheworld.co.uk)

17:58 <Rookie_69> Looks more like an accident with a penis enlargement device...

18:01 <xcamel> er something like that..

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18:04 <Rookie_69> ... not that I have personal experience with such things...

18:05 <KathrynM> mornin boinc-landers

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18:05 <Rookie_69> Morning? I've been up for half an hour.

18:06 <KathrynM> well, we call it morning when the clock reads 8 am

18:06 <Rookie_69> Oh yeah... That was just a nap.

18:08 <Rookie_69> Then I should go look for some breakfast.

18:09 <KathrynM> oh, breakfast sounds good

18:09 <KathrynM> make some pancakes for me

18:10 <efc> pooey, they don't sell the solenoid separately

18:10 <Rookie_69> I never got the hang of pancakes... They always turn out like slabs of dough.

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18:11 <Rookie_69> We sell the solenoid separately... but it's a bit of a drive to get here.

18:12 <Rookie_69> ... except for Nippondenso starters.

18:12 <efc> It may be built in. Couldn't get a good look at it. Its rather hard to get the car up on ramps when it won't start.

18:13 <Rookie_69> What kind of car?

18:15 <efc> Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera S

18:15 <efc> 93

18:15 <Rookie_69> Usually bolted on the outside.

18:16 <efc> Yes. I could see it. They don't seem to sell it separately though.

18:16 <efc> Its a little can next to a bigger can that I think is the starter.

18:16 <Rookie_69> No money in selling small parts.

18:17 <efc> I can't be sure thats it anyway, without getting in there and knowing how to test

18:17 <efc> I should really get rid of the thing and get my new Mustang

18:17 <Rookie_69> Corrosion on transmission plug is a problem here. Neutral safety switch won't work.

18:18 <Rookie_69> ... not the drain plug...

18:18 <Rookie_69> Lol.

18:21 <Rookie_69> My old roommate had a Gutless... I have no idea how or why it put up with all the abuse he dished out.

18:21 <efc> This thing has around 205k miles on it now

18:24 <CoderForLife> back

18:24 <xcamel> re-hi

18:25 <CoderForLife> hi - just helped Stephen do his tax returns, and went over mine with the family

18:25 <Rookie_69> He couldn't loosen the alternator bolts so he pried the v-belt into the outer groove on a double pulley that someone installed... and never broke a belt.

18:25 <CoderForLife> true Americana - families huddled together over the 1040

18:26 <efc> Going out for dinner.. bbl

18:27 <CoderForLife> laterz efc

18:27 <Rookie_69> Huddle over the bills and scare some reality into them instead.

18:27 <CoderForLife> they are impervious to negative persuasion

18:28 <Rookie_69> ... coin-operated toilets?

18:28 <Rookie_69> TANSTAAFL.

18:30 <CoderForLife> huh?

18:30 <Rookie_69> &google taanstaafl

18:30 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Search took 0.11 seconds: ahistoricality: TAANSTAAFL , etc.: <http://ahistoricality.blogspot.com/2005/06/taanstaafl-etc.html>; MySpace.com Blogs - TAANSTAAFL - There Absolutely Ain’t No Such ...: <http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=3686793&blogID=439439794>; MaxedOutMama: TAANSTAAFL In Europe: <http://maxedoutmama.blogspot.com/2005/05/taanstaafl-in- (3 more messages)

18:31 <Rookie_69> &more

18:31 <Romulus> Rookie_69: europe.html>; Daily Kos: TAANSTAAFL: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/14/12119/646/285/672987>; The Greatest Robert A. Heinlein Quotes: <http://jpetrie.myweb.uga.edu/Heinlein.html>; Environmental Conflict: In Search of Common Ground: <http://books.google.com/books?id=uzfluwth0uwC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=taanstaafl&source=bl&ots=AcPSKieLCB&sig=uXSucLMyAt51mZF0JeSPqaKdYKg&hl=en>; (2 more messages)

18:31 * CoderForLife holds his head

18:31 <Rookie_69> ?

18:31 <Rookie_69> There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch.

18:31 <Rookie_69> Heinlein, I think said it.

18:32 <CoderForLife> Heinlein?

18:32 <Romulus> It has been said that Heinlein is taking a beating, CoderForLife

18:32 <Rookie_69> Robert A...

18:32 <CoderForLife> if he said that - no doubt

18:32 <CoderForLife> Stranger in a Strange Land

18:32 <CoderForLife> The Roads Must Roll

18:33 <Rookie_69> From The Moon is a Harsh Mistress.

18:33 <Rookie_69> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

18:33 <Romulus> Title: TANSTAAFL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)

18:34 <xcamel> also said: "An armed society is a polite society"

18:34 <Rookie_69> Well, maybe it's not all coming true.

18:36 <Rookie_69> Somebody better do my dishes soon... I can't get near the kitchen sink.

18:37 <Rookie_69> Luckily, there's a bathtub nearby.

18:38 <CoderForLife> some things left unattended have been known to spontaneously combust

18:39 <Rookie_69> I should go back on Facebook anfd figure out when my brother is coming to town... and see if he wants a ride from the airport or something...

18:39 <CoderForLife> you looking for him to do the dishes?

18:39 <Rookie_69> That too.

18:40 <CoderForLife> I was wondering what the tie-in was

18:40 <Rookie_69> Tie-in? My mind just wanders that way.

18:41 <Rookie_69> Some people blame it on senility, but I've always been like that.

18:42 <CoderForLife> Benjamin Button

18:42 <Rookie_69> Any relation to Panic Button?

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18:44 <CoderForLife> exactly - only completely opposite

18:44 <Rookie_69> Looking...

18:47 <Rookie_69> That's one screwed up plot.

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18:48 * KathrynM notes the velveeta on her sandwich is still somewhat molten

18:48 * CoderForLife has a love affair with Velveeta going back decades

18:48 <xcamel> yummy cheese

18:49 <KathrynM> damn expensive too

18:50 <staminna> Hey guys, anyone helps basic guidelines with setting up Boinc in linux? My distributions is Mandriva 2009 and it already the packages inside. It's not a compilation or dependencies problem

18:50 <staminna> I already have the service running, localhost and project attachment done.

18:50 * Rookie_69 likes cheddar in his eggs, but can't figure out how to keep it there.

18:51 <xcamel> cheesy eggs good too.

18:52 <xcamel> staminna: boinc kind of sets itself up.. is there an error or something?

18:52 <crash_> which boinc project are you guys running? are you running one or more?

18:52 <staminna> When I execute Boinc Manager though there is a window with Connection Authorization failed to running client. I didn't set any password in the first place

18:53 <KathrynM> staminna, let me get you a link

18:53 <xcamel> common problem

18:53 <CoderForLife> *very* common

18:53 <xcamel> damn near a "feature"

18:53 <staminna> Thank you.

18:53 <CoderForLife> lol

18:53 <CoderForLife> all too true

18:54 <CoderForLife> Security Is Rarely Convenient

18:54 <staminna> I know there was a forum where I should find the password in a file

18:54 <xcamel> this damn box just does **not** wat to be rebuilt..

18:54 <KathrynM> http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Fedora

18:54 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/bg9rjz> (at boinc.berkeley.edu)

18:54 <Rookie_69> Use a bigger hammer.

18:55 <KathrynM> scroll down to optional setup hints

18:55 <xcamel> ( Uptime ) 278 days,  4 hours 46 minutes | Users: 6 | Load: 2.90, 2.43, 2.20

18:56 <CoderForLife> pay attention to the 3rd bullet under "Set up you accounts" staminna

18:56 <xcamel> indeed.

18:56 <CoderForLife> ack  er, your

18:57 <xcamel> Think I'll go get abused by the "COMFY CHAIR!!"

18:57 <CoderForLife> On my LAN, I have no password for the RPC connection

18:57 <CoderForLife> lol  tc xcamel

18:57 <xcamel> laterz..

18:57 <CoderForLife> I'm about to go heads-down and Code some

18:58 <CoderForLife> c-all u nice folks back here soon

18:58 <CoderForLife> gn all

19:01 <staminna> Sun 01 Feb 2009 00:00:42 GMT|superlinkattechnion|Message from server: platform 'i586-mandriva-linux-gnu' not found

19:02 <staminna> uname -a: 2.6.27.10-desktop586-1mnb #1 SMP GNU/Linux

19:03 <KathrynM> Didn't I answer this just recently?

19:03 <KathrynM> This is from the package manager, right?

19:03 <staminna> Boinc is looking at Linux: 2.6.27.10-desktop586-1mnb  Instead.

19:05 <KathrynM> i586-mandriva-linux-gnu is getting set when it's being compiled

19:05 <Rookie_69> That's better... Kitchen sink wasn't really full, just stacked poorly.

19:05 <KathrynM> restacked instead of washed?

19:06 <staminna> I don't know

19:06 <Rookie_69> Lol.

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19:07 <Rookie_69> Washed and stacked in automatic dish drier.

19:07 <PovAdct_es> hi

19:08 <Rookie_69> Hi, Nic.

19:08 <KathrynM> whoa, hiya PovAdct_es

19:08 <KathrynM> how's Spain?

19:09 <Rookie_69> Windy, I hear.

19:09 <PovAdct_es> Everything is great, except wifi in this hotel

19:09 <KathrynM> rainy too

19:10 <KathrynM> but it stays on the plains

19:10 <PovAdct_es> Ass-freezing outside

19:10 <Rookie_69> You went to Spain to get a wife??? Oh... wifi.

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19:12 <PovAdct_es> Going from 35C to 12C isn't easy :)

19:12 <Rookie_69> Maybe you could scoot over to Portugal and help STAMINNA... Never mind. He left.

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19:13 <Rookie_69> Oh.

19:13 <XioNYC> Where's it 35C? Over here it's more like 3.5C

19:13 <PovAdct_es> 35C in Argentina

19:13 <XioNYC> ...¿Porteño?

19:13 <CoderForLife> welcome to the northern hemisphere PovAdct_es

19:14 <CoderForLife> good to hear from you =)

19:14 <PovAdct_es> Was 3C in Frankfurt but we never got out of the airport there

19:15 <Rookie_69> 0C and snowing here... C'mon summer...

19:15 <PovAdct_es> That was a damn big airport btw...

19:15 <CoderForLife> ok - finished e-mail to Mom - back to Coding my BOINC project

19:15 <CoderForLife> gn again

19:15 <KathrynM> laters CoderForLife

19:15 <Rookie_69> NN.

19:15 * XioNYC is snow-deprived... send us some!

19:16 * Rookie_69 stuffs snow in USB port...

19:16 <Rookie_69> ZZZT!!!

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19:16 * Rookie_69 tries scanner.

19:17 <XioNYC> USB didn't have a snowball's chance in FireWire...

19:17 * KathrynM heads back to bed.

19:17 <KathrynM> Sundays are for being lazy.

19:18 <KathrynM> hopefully there's something decent on tv

19:18 * Rookie_69 thought workdays were for being lazy.

19:18 <KathrynM> or as decent as English programming gets in S. Korea

19:18 <PovAdct_es> Lazy \o/

19:18 <KathrynM> you said the w word

19:18 <XioNYC> You mean I've gotta stay alert and active for another 5 hours?

19:19 <KathrynM> nah, Saturday nights are for being lazy too

19:19 * Rookie_69 says the w word because he has a foul mouth.

19:19 * KathrynM should probably call home

19:19 <KathrynM> :/

19:19 <staminna> What name is the file with the OS in Linux? It's looking somewhere else.

19:20 <PovAdct_es> kernel?

19:20 <Romulus> hmm... kernel is one txt file :), PovAdct_es

19:20 <XioNYC> What... like vmlinux-2.6.26 and all that?

19:20 <MTughan> 'lo PovAdct_es

19:20 <PovAdct_es> vmlinuz?

19:20 <MTughan> My comp's back up. :)

19:20 <PovAdct_es> Mac?

19:20 <Romulus> hmm... Mac is not part of our club, PovAdct_es

19:21 <MTughan> No, the quad.

19:21 <XioNYC> That'd be either /mach_kernel or HD:System Folder:System

19:21 <PovAdct_es> Ah, PSU

19:21 * Rookie_69 somehow managed to get boinc to work with linux... Doesn't know how and never looked back. It's running... Leave it that way.

19:21 <MTughan> XioNYC: On Mac. Not Linux.

19:22 <XioNYC> Yes... /mach_kernel and /System/Library/CoreServices/BootX

19:22 <MTughan> staminna: Try looking in /boot.

19:23 <XioNYC> Unelss you're running Old World Mac, in which case it'd be a combination of the BootX CDEV and INIT

19:23 <staminna> I know the what I boinc needs to change only not Where to change it!

19:24 <staminna> the file name would be extraordinary.

19:24 <MTughan> What does BOINC need to change? Is it running and giving you an error?

19:25 <Rookie_69> Hi Michael... Been out skating on the canal yet?... or too much like physical labour?

19:25 <MTughan> Rookie_69: Did once, three weeks ago IIRC.

19:25 <staminna> MTughan: Message from server: platform 'i586-mandriva-linux-gnu' not found

19:25 <MTughan> Oh, you're wanting to change what platform is being reported?

19:26 <staminna> Instead Linux: 2.6.27.10-desktop586-1mnb

19:26 <staminna> therefore I will need to override this data from whatever she is looking for, or quit.

19:26 <MTughan> No, BOINC has its own platform names. Popular ones are i686-pc-linux, i686-apple-darwin, and Windows ones, which I don't remember ATM.

19:27 <staminna> I wish that is a file

19:27 <PovAdct_es> Its hardxoded in the core client

19:27 <PovAdct_es> Hardcoded

19:27 <MTughan> Can't you override it in client_state though?

19:27 <staminna> PovAdct: I may believe so too.

19:27 <XioNYC> The ident is built into the kernel and isn't mappable AFAICT.

19:28 <PovAdct_es> Will get overwritten in startup

19:28 <staminna> Right.

19:28 <PovAdct_es> You might be able to change it via cc_config.xml, but it'd be better if you compile the client with the correct platform name

19:31 * Rookie_69 looks at technobabble and smiles and nods a lot...

19:31 <staminna> I'm now looking at the XML files. Thanks guys, ..Mandriva Platform name.

19:31 <PovAdct_es> Bye, may bbl

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19:38 <Rookie_69> If I Recalled Correctly, I probably wouldn't have had to ask Mtughan if he'd been out skating...

19:39 * Rookie_69 wonders which is worse... Dementia or Senility.

19:44 <Rookie_69> I blame it on being left-handed... Every tool and piece of equipment at work is out to get me.

19:45 <Rookie_69> Even my hammer attacks me on a daily basis.

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19:50 <Rookie_69> Somebody at work set us up as a warranty repair depot for a Battery Charger manufacturing company...

19:52 <Rookie_69> Some guy tries to boost his Cat 3208 in his semi with a 200 amp start-assist charger in -20C weather and it won't go so he assumes the charger is bad and sends it back for warranty...

19:52 <staminna> Is that possible to create a symbolic link master key for platform name!!! ? what the HecK

19:53 <Rookie_69> 200 amps would barely start a Honda...

19:54 <Rookie_69> It's ok... I like beating my head against the wall.

19:54 <MTughan> Rookie_69: 200A? That's a heck of a lot of power.

19:54 <Rookie_69> Not for a starter.

19:54 <XioNYC> staminna: No - the "i586-mandriva-linux-gnu" identification is hard wired into the kernel.  Have you tried using the anonymous platform thingie?

19:54 <MTughan> XioNYC: It's not hardwired into the kernel, it's in BOINC.

19:55 <XioNYC> Hang on.... BOINC's reporting "i586-mandriva-etc"???

19:55 <MTughan> Yes.

19:55 <XioNYC> That's news to me.

19:56 <MTughan> And I quote: "Message from server: platform 'i586-mandriva-linux-gnu' not found"

19:56 <staminna> true.

19:56 <Rookie_69> Most starters I work on draw between 100 and 150 amps without being connected to an engine... at least on startup.

19:57 <XioNYC> My understanding was that the BOINC client is self-identifying as "i586-mandriva-et-al" when it communicates to the application's server(s)... do I have this backwards?

19:58 <MTughan> BOINC reports the platform it's being run on when asking for work, so that it can get the right application, and workunits for it.

19:59 <XioNYC> I thought BOINC grabbed that ident from "uname -a" or something similar.

19:59 <MTughan> Nope. Although I don't know how it determines that, the actual names are hardcoded.

20:00 <staminna> I must to do superlinkattechnion. I have done years of climate prediction and more before since Pentium 200MHZ days though I've switched into Linux.

20:00 * Rookie_69 stares at the pretty shapes formed by dirt on his reading glasses...

20:00 <MTughan> Are you able to get an application for Superlink@Technion? Whether a premade binary or compiled yourself?

20:00 <staminna> I do not want to believe this is hardcoded, but poorly coded!

20:01 <XioNYC> Ha!

20:01 <XioNYC> :-)

20:01 <staminna> I did not compile it to myself but I will if I have to!

20:01 <MTughan> There are some of us that would agree, but having them hardcoded also ensures that the same platform name is applied to many versions.

20:02 * Rookie_69 looks outside at white steps and white van and white road and white sidewalk and white lawn and white... etc... and curses at winter.

20:02 <MTughan> Ideally, all Linux versions would get either i686-pc-linux, x86_64-pc-linux, or powerpc-pc-linux (or something like that), although you found an exception.

20:03 <XioNYC> "powerpc64-unknown-linux-gnu" in my case...

20:04 <MTughan> I didn't say it was perfect. :)

20:04 <XioNYC> I never could get BOINC to run b/c of that label... all this time I thought it was a kernel ID ;-P

20:04 <staminna> I am only very upset with the package maintainer or whoomever he is. Bad design that's not even code :(

20:05 <MTughan> It's not the package maintainer. Blame David Anderson, better known as DA.

20:05 <staminna> should be a standard for whatever.. every time you update to a new kernel

20:05 <MTughan> He controls most of the source.

20:05 <staminna> There should be a placeholder for Linux standard though

20:10 <staminna> The last time it was on Ubuntu with disk space issues.. I had 150GB for boinc and it was saying it was lacking disk space permission-wise I belive. I'm taking a few days off.

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20:11 <MTughan> bbiab

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20:11 <Rookie_69> Bye, Mikey.

20:11 * Rookie_69 ducks.

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20:21 <staminna> http://www.boinc-wiki.info/Platform_Name

20:21 <Romulus> Title: Platform Name - Unofficial BOINC Wiki (at www.boinc-wiki.info)

20:22 <staminna> Thanks Romulus

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20:31 <Rookie_69> Aw, jeez... We finally get rid of Paul and another Aussie shows up...

20:31 * Rookie_69 ducks.

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20:33 <jrodger> Who's the other Aussie?

20:34 <Rookie_69> &seen TheGasGiant

20:34 <Romulus> Rookie_69: TheGasGiant was last seen in #boinc 14 weeks, 6 days, 14 hours, 40 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: * TheGasGiant sneaks in

20:34 <wdsmia> then theres quail

20:35 <Rookie_69> &seen quail

20:35 <Romulus> Rookie_69: quail was last seen in #boinc 3 days, 20 hours, 17 minutes, and 1 second ago: <quail> late summer

20:36 <Rookie_69> Wasn't there one from NZ too?

20:38 <staminna> it is hardcoded into compilation time. Whoomever compiled this for Mandriva distribution must have forgot.. Evening

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20:39 <Rookie_69> I don't know if Quail counts... I keep confusing him with someone from England. Maybe he doesn't type with enough of an Aussie accent...

20:40 * Rookie_69 ducks again.

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20:41 <Rookie_69> I think Paul (TheGasGiant) is from Melbourne... I forget where Quail is from.

20:42 <Rookie_69> Hmm... there was also that guy with the chickens, wasn't there?

20:45 <Rookie_69> IIRC, he wasn't really all that welcome... You don't work on a chicken farm, do you?

20:45 * wdsmia slaps Rookie_69 around with a large Carp

20:46 * Rookie_69 ducks too late.

20:47 * Rookie_69 hopes he hasn't scared that pirate flag away...

20:49 <XioNYC> Arr!

20:49 <Rookie_69> ... maybe it's John Rodger, not Jolly Roger...

20:49 <Rookie_69> ... or something like that...

20:50 <XioNYC> I found a platform "fix" (but it involves rebuilding BOINC from SVN)

20:52 <Rookie_69> OK... James... Hi, James.

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20:53 <XioNYC> If anyone sees staminna, pass along the following:

20:53 <jrodger> afternoon all

20:53 <Rookie_69> Is it sunday afternoon already?

20:54 <XioNYC> [insert appropriate temporal greeting]

20:54 <jrodger> Yes?

20:54 <Romulus> Somebody said Yes is enable, jrodger

20:54 <XioNYC> ./configure --with-boinc-platform "i586-pc-linux-gnu" --with-boinc-alt-platform "i586-mandriva-linux-gnu"

20:54 <Rookie_69> Good day, eh.

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20:55 <XioNYC> G'night, all.

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20:55 <Rookie_69> Doug had to go update mIRC for some reason.

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20:56 <Rookie_69> Back so soon?

20:56 <wdsmia> it wasnt a boinc upgrade so it worked

20:57 <Rookie_69> Yeah, but 'doze???

20:58 <wdsmia> wasnt a doze upgrade

20:58 * Rookie_69 wonders if James had a question or was just slumming.Slumming is better.

20:59 <Rookie_69> Questions usually involve thinking.

20:59 <jrodger> Just Slumming it...

20:59 <Rookie_69> Welcome then.

21:00 <Rookie_69> Oftentimes, people come looking for answers.

21:03 <Rookie_69> It's probably as good a place as any to look, but I just don't have any of them.

21:04 <Rookie_69> I leave answers to those young pups.

21:04 <Rookie_69> Lol. I make myself sound old.

21:06 <Rookie_69> If I had my life to live over, I'd probably still screw it up.

21:10 <jrodger> Isn't screwing up a natural alternative to education?

21:10 <Rookie_69> I thought so.

21:11 <Rookie_69> How's Sydney... Too hot?

21:11 * Rookie_69 could use a little bit of too hot about now...

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21:13 <wdsmia> &wx 50319

21:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: Temperature: 39.2F / 4.0C | Humidity: 76% | Pressure: 29.68in / 1005.0hPa (Rising) | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: SSW | Wind Speed: 1.0mph / 1.6km/h ; Tonight - Partly cloudy. Low in the mid 20s. Northwest wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Sunday - Partly sunny. Colder. High in the upper 30s. West wind 10 to 15 mph with gusts to around 25 mph.; Sunday Night - Partly (1 more message)

21:13 <wdsmia> &more

21:13 <Romulus> wdsmia: cloudy. Low 15 to 20. West wind around 10 mph.;

21:14 <Rookie_69> Balmy.

21:14 <wdsmia> sure beats 20 below

21:15 <Rookie_69> Well, It's 40 below and I don't give a f..., I got a heater in my truck and I'm off to the rodeo...

21:16 <Rookie_69> ... or however that song goes...

21:23 <Rookie_69> http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=9MbOpQAuYWI

21:23 <Romulus> Title: YouTube - The Rodeo Song - The Johnny Peso Band (at ca.youtube.com)

21:25 <Rookie_69> Close enough.

21:27 <Rookie_69> Used to play here on the radio with blank spots where any questionable words were... sounded weird.

21:27 <Rookie_69> You... me off, you... jerk. You get on my nerves.

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21:31 <Rookie_69> Hmm... The Three Michaels... I hope they don't start singing opera.

21:31 <Rookie_69> 'me ducks thrice.

21:31 <Rookie_69> ...

21:32 * Rookie_69 ducks thrice.

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21:32 * Rookie_69 wonders who keeps moving his keys around.

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21:43 <meglaw_> i want a faster px

21:43 <meglaw_> pc

21:43 <wdsmia> dont we all

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21:47 <Rookie_69> Post Exchange???

21:48 * Rookie_69 was sweeping snow off the steps...

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21:49 * Rookie_69 wonders if old army terms scare people away.

21:49 <efc> The PX, where they sell beer helpfully labeled "Beer"

21:50 <Rookie_69> Lol.

21:51 * Rookie_69 wonders if Eddie is older than he claims.

21:52 <Rookie_69> Maybe it's just that I haven't been on an *active* American base in many a year.

21:53 * Rookie_69 thinks '78.

21:53 <Rookie_69> '77?

21:55 * Rookie_69 definitely remembers Americans in Goose Bay when he lived there in '73.

21:56 * Rookie_69 remembers them having to throw an extra nickel in to bring their dollar up to par.

21:56 <meglaw_> &wz goteborg

21:56 <Romulus> meglaw_: Are you daft?

21:56 <Rookie_69> wx?

21:56 <Romulus> Rumor has it wx is annoying also, Rookie_69

21:56 <meglaw_> ohh

21:56 <meglaw_> &wx goteborg

21:56 <Romulus> meglaw_: Temperature: 27°F / -3°C | Humidity: 69% | Pressure: 30.36in / 1028hPa | Conditions: Mostly Cloudy | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 8mph / 13km/h | Updated: 3:50 AM CET; Unknown. High:32 F.; Scattered Clouds. Low:26 F.; Clear. High:30 F.; Clear. Low:26 F.; Clear. High:32 F.; Clear. Low:28 F.;

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22:00 <Rookie_69> I used to drive a Saab... does that make me sort of an honorary Swede? I guess not... The car was given to me.

22:01 <Rookie_69> That makes me a bum.

22:01 <Rookie_69> Lol.

22:01 <efc> They're a welfare state.. it still counts :)

22:02 <Rookie_69> Ok.

22:03 <meglaw_> saab makes shit cars

22:03 <wdsmia> asks meglaw_ to please watch his or her language Thanks, your friendly channel op.

22:03 <meglaw_> always has been

22:04 <Rookie_69> Wasn't too bad... Just expensive to keep an old one on the road.

22:05 * Rookie_69 scarfs down chocolate covered nuts and raisins.

22:06 <Rookie_69> ... 1984 Saab 900S.

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22:07 <Rookie_69> My brother-in-law brought it back from Germany.

22:09 <Rookie_69> He bought it from repo company after the original owner got caught bringing some green leafy substance back from Amsterdam and couldn't make payments from jail.

22:09 <Rookie_69> ... or something like that.

22:12 <Rookie_69> Gutless until you dropped it two gears, and then almost gutless.

22:13 <Rookie_69> Steered better than most North American stuff though.

22:13 <Rookie_69> I liked the front wheel E-brake though. I wish they never gave it up.

22:14 <Rookie_69> I blame that on GM.

22:16 <Rookie_69> In an emergency, you had 80%of your braking ability instead of 20%...

22:16 <Rookie_69> Duh!

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22:18 <Rookie_69> That wrap-around windshield was hard to see through at times too.

22:19 <Rookie_69> WB, Pirate Guy.

22:19 <Rookie_69> Lol.

22:20 <Rookie_69> I've been busy here talking to myself... wanna listen?

22:23 * efc chirp

22:23 <Rookie_69> That's a funny sounding cow...

22:24 <jrodger> What projects you watching, Rookie_69?

22:26 <Rookie_69> I try not to watch them... It only depresses me... But I usually run SETI, LHC, ABC, and a few others at times.

22:27 <Rookie_69> Sometimes, I think I'm the only one doing Astropulse...

22:28 <efc> I don't know what I'm working on anymore.. Just feed some bandwidth and kwhr and hope for the best

22:29 <Rookie_69> http://boincstats.com/stats/boinc_user_graph.php?pr=bo&id=4f4f208189e2a267e9ada27bca19c053

22:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/57zxf2> (at boincstats.com)

22:29 <wdsmia> http://www.boincstats.com/signature/user_100947.gif

22:29 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/5dglqj> (at www.boincstats.com)

22:29 <Rookie_69> Power is included in my rent...

22:30 <Rookie_69> Silly Landlady.

22:32 <Rookie_69> I think the heat has come on twice in the last five years... and that was after a power failure.

22:34 <efc> They recently changed my water billing method to be more 'fair'. Aka, 50% higher.

22:34 <efc> Individual metering was not 'fair' enough.

22:34 <Rookie_69> Not to "them"

22:35 <efc> They already had the right to add whatever fudge factor they wanted to the bill

22:35 <Rookie_69> Obviously, you weren't showering enough.

22:36 <Rookie_69> They took a look at your tax return and saw you had a nickle or two left over...

22:37 <efc> From their description I thought my bill was going down

22:37 <efc> Now they bill based on your square footage and # of residents

22:39 * Rookie_69 wonders if they're not lizards but Ferengi...

22:39 <Rookie_69> Be damned if actual water usage has anything to do with your water bill.

22:39 <jrodger> What's Astropulse all about?

22:40 <Rookie_69> http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_faq.php

22:40 <Romulus> Title: Astropulse FAQ (at setiathome.berkeley.edu)

22:40 <Rookie_69> The quick answer...

22:42 <jrodger> okay, will have a gander

22:43 <Rookie_69> It's an optional SETI app... or whatever.

22:43 <Rookie_69> Big WU's.

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22:44 <jrodger> hehehe....interesting, you have been at this a little longer than I, I have not even made the k.figs

22:45 <Rookie_69> The one running on this box estimates over 200 hours atm.

22:47 <Rookie_69> I've only been at it since 29 May 2003.

22:47 <jrodger> I have only been at it since January......2009......so I am the noob here

22:47 <Rookie_69> Lol.

22:48 <wdsmia> maybe one of these days you will get it right :P

22:48 <Rookie_69> I doubt it... Have you?

22:49 <wdsmia> at least I dont runn the wrong app on a challange lol

22:49 <Rookie_69> I do!

22:49 <Rookie_69> Wanna make something of it?

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22:50 <wdsmia> put them up I dare you :P

22:50 <Rookie_69> How else am I supposed to keep you on your toes?

22:51 <jrodger> ?????????????

22:51 <Rookie_69> Listen... If I don't bother to read the website, I can't be expected to know what's going on!

22:52 <Rookie_69> http://www.primegrid.com/challenge/challenge.php

22:52 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/d6sj8q> (at www.primegrid.com)

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22:54 <Rookie_69> I missed most of the challenge then apparently started crunching the wrong data. Do you think Doug will let me forget it? I wouldn't let him forget it.

22:55 <wdsmia> lol

22:58 <Rookie_69> Hmm... The noise coming from the apartment behind me sounds a lot like *not* country music... I wonder if he got hijacked or hoodwinked or whatever.

23:02 <Rookie_69> Maybe it's "new country"... something with more than two notes...

23:06 <jrodger> you mean something that carries a tune, not a whine?

23:07 * Rookie_69 feels tingling in left arm and wonders how much time between "poor circulation" and "stroke".

23:07 <Rookie_69> Whine... that's close.

23:08 <Rookie_69> I suppose Thrub thub thrub thub could be considered a tune...

23:09 <Rookie_69> That's what seems to be playing there now.

23:10 * Rookie_69 puts up with thin walls and a usually quiet neighbour.

23:11 <Rookie_69> It could be worse... his bedroom is against my wall and mine is not against his.

23:12 <Rookie_69> ... and he could be listening to rap...

23:13 <Rookie_69> ... notice how I didn't put the words rap...

23:13 <Rookie_69> ... and music in the same sentence?

23:16 <Rookie_69> Maybe he just got tired of listening to us crank put oldies here and decided to drown them out.

23:17 * Rookie_69 cranks up T-Rex.

23:18 <Rookie_69> ... crank out...

23:18 * efc grooves to the Rookie_68 monolog

23:18 <Rookie_69> Unilog...

23:19 <Rookie_69> I said I was busy talking to myself...

23:20 * Rookie_69 plays some Rick Wakeman just because...

23:22 <efc> some song about talking in your sleep..

23:22 <Rookie_69> ... or Talking to your Sheep?

23:24 * Rookie_69 slaps his left hand against whatever is handy trying to get feeling back.

23:26 <Rookie_69> Jethro Tull...

23:26 <efc> "The Romantics"

23:27 * Rookie_69 looks up some "Flaming Freddie"

23:28 <Rookie_69> ... and listens to Queen.

23:28 <Rookie_69> Barcelona... I wonder where pov is...

23:31 <efc> Favorite line from Shawn of the Dead

23:31 <efc> "Quick, kill the Queen!"

23:33 <efc> I thought of how California can get out of its problems

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23:33 <efc> Schwarzzy can make a movie called "California Disaster Movie"

23:33 <efc> Charity movie

23:34 <Rookie_69> Earthquake hits and LA becomes an island?

23:34 <Rookie_69> Radio Gaga...

23:36 <efc> most of us knew CA was a disaster a long time ago..

23:37 <Rookie_69> Eureka is supposed to be salvageable, I hear.

23:37 <efc> The Thing is on scifi

23:40 <Rookie_69> I'm Going Slightly Mad.

23:41 <Rookie_69> Oh... and I'm still listening to Freddy.

23:42 <efc> I did some work on some 45s to get them sounding better.. worked pretty good

23:42 <Rookie_69> Toss them in the river and buy the cd's?

23:43 <efc> well, tehcnically it was from a CD, but the CD is mastered from 45s and acetates

23:46 <Rookie_69> I seem to remember some software where you could go in and pick out the sss and the pops, but have no idea whatever happened to it.

23:47 <Rookie_69> ... or what it was called.

23:47 <efc> I'm using Audacity

23:47 <efc> These were pretty well denoised already, but I added some phase shift to make them pseudostereo, and EQ to give them some high end back

23:48 <KathrynM> gonna reboot to get the new kernel.  maybe I'll get sound back.

23:48 * KathrynM crosses fingers

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23:49 * Rookie_69 plays Another One Bites the Dust for Jan... even though she's not here.

23:50 <Rookie_69> &seen SpitTheDog

23:50 <Romulus> Rookie_69: I have not seen SpitTheDog.

23:50 <efc> will upload some samples for you, will take a few

23:51 <Rookie_69> &seen Spit_the_dog

23:51 <Romulus> Rookie_69: I have not seen Spit_the_dog.

23:51 <Rookie_69> &seen Spit_thedog

23:51 <Romulus> Rookie_69: Spit_thedog was last seen in #boinc 1 year, 37 weeks, 2 days, 18 hours, 22 minutes, and 19 seconds ago: <Spit_theDog> Bye for now all :)

23:51 <Rookie_69> Been a ling time.

23:52 <Rookie_69> Been a long time too.

23:52 <Soul_keeper> she's gone

23:53 <Rookie_69> Rommie remembers though...

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23:54 <Rookie_69> Gerry Rafferty is another favorite of hers...

23:56 <KathrynM> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  I have sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

23:56 * KathrynM goes to update bug report

23:57 <Rookie_69> Shhh!

23:58 <Rookie_69> Get a mike and we'll have to add you to the Skype list.

23:58 <KathrynM> just add it to my list of things to do.

23:58 <KathrynM> :/

23:58 <KathrynM> and I just bought external speakers for my ipod yesterday

23:58 <KathrynM> oh well

23:59 <efc> here rookie.  http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/04-I%27ll%20Be%20Yours_Original.ogg   http://home.earthlink.net/~cottongim/04-I%27ll%20Be%20Yours_Enhanced.ogg

23:59 <Romulus> <http://tinyurl.com/c593bs> (at home.earthlink.net)

23:59 <Rookie_69> Yesterday... All my speakers seemed so far away...

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